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Best of the Bus: Marshall Faulk On Playing For The Greatest Show On Turf · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Marshall Falk what's going to rattle for Marshall Funker.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely legend and you just flew in just now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got in yeah, earlier today, earlier today.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in our south. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you're familiar with Festus or Farmington, Missouri.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're a legend, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: You are a legend.
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  Speaker 3: And it was it's a it's a pleasure to have
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  Speaker 3: you on our podcast right on man. Uh you right
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  Speaker 3: before the show we were talking and you saw the
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  Speaker 3: Nebraska shot out the Big Red. But you mentioned that
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  Speaker 3: Osbourne coach Osbourne was the first coach that said you
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  Speaker 3: couldn't play running.
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  Speaker 2: Back coach, first coach and he was he was honest,
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  Speaker 2: Like first day I was there, you sit in with
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  Speaker 2: him and and this before you go to your position meeting,
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  Speaker 2: and and he asked, he you know what, so so
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  Speaker 2: what do you what position you think you can play
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  Speaker 2: here on Nebraska and you know, like this this the
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  Speaker 2: early nineties, Nebraka Roland. Yeah. And the only reason I
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  Speaker 2: took I took a visit because Mickey Joseph, who's from
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans as well, had just became the quarterback there
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  Speaker 2: and I was and I thought, because I'm I'm right
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  Speaker 2: in between Mickey and Vance advanced. Joseph is Mickey Joseph's
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  Speaker 2: younger brother, so I'm in between them two. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, man, if I go, I get a year
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  Speaker 2: to play with Mickey and then I'll play with Vans
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  Speaker 2: because I thought Advance was coming there. But Vans ended
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  Speaker 2: up ended up going to Colorado.
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  Speaker 4: So did did Nebraska offer?
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  Speaker 2: They did?
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  Speaker 4: They did?
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  Speaker 2: But I had to play corner?
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  Speaker 4: Really yeah, I mean you were like, I mean you
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  Speaker 4: were an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Listen man. Coach coach Osborne is a legend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They when he was at Nebraska, they turned out so
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  Speaker 2: many athletes, so many first rounders, So I mean he
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  Speaker 2: knew what he was talking about. I was pretty good corner,
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  Speaker 2: but I had to love I had to love for
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  Speaker 2: playing running back. So it's a little different.
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  Speaker 3: Was all your offers kind of split? Like your teams
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  Speaker 3: wanting you to play corner? Teams wanted to play running back.
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  Speaker 2: Most of them wanted me to play corner.
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  Speaker 4: So that's is that a probably the biggest reason?
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, because on offense, they were lazy
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna tell you what happened after all. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So I played quarterback, receiver, running back, but on offense,
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  Speaker 2: I was just a corner cover corner, so they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: tell what I played on offense. And right after that
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  Speaker 2: happened about I'm gonna say right around maybe ninety four
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  Speaker 2: ninety five, they created the position called athlete. So when
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  Speaker 2: you recruit a guy, you recruited him as you just
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  Speaker 2: get an athlete, because they realized, damn, if we'd have
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  Speaker 2: got him in here, found out he could play multiple positions.
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  Speaker 2: But back then they had the recruited position. You had
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  Speaker 2: to play a position. You couldn't just be an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: If Tom Osborne would have came in and been like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you're a hell of an athlete. We see you can
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  Speaker 1: play all over the place, utilize you in ways no
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  Speaker 1: one's ever seen before you go in to Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been easy. I mean it would have
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  Speaker 2: been an easy decision. I mean, Nebraska was like cream
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  Speaker 2: of the crop early nineties. I mean eighty eight, eighty nine,
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  Speaker 2: ninety they were dominating fools.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: That's gotta feel good to hear, dude, It does feel
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  Speaker 3: good to hear. It sucks that we didn't, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, like Osbourne it happened.
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  Speaker 4: Quarner back, Yeah, it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Was the University of Michigan. I have to ask Michigan
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  Speaker 1: off for you.
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  Speaker 3: No, who's in your top who's in your top of?
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  Speaker 2: Was Michigan wasn't recruiting and you know they weren't recruiting
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  Speaker 2: in the South like that, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, note your dame.
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  Speaker 2: They had that idea of they wanted people who played
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  Speaker 2: in cold weather. That's that's the kind of They didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand the difference in speed in the South versus the North.
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  Speaker 4: Who's your top three? And why did you choose San
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  Speaker 4: Diego State?
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  Speaker 2: San Diego State wasn't even in the runnings it was
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  Speaker 2: it was Nebraska, Miami and Texas, A and.
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  Speaker 4: M So why San Diego State.
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  Speaker 2: I took a trip out there. I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: want to live here. This is nice.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: At the plain Land. You take the one sixty three
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  Speaker 2: down you're you're riding. I'm like, I've never seen anything
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  Speaker 2: this beautiful, and the only thing I could think of. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I get to spend maybe four or five years out
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  Speaker 2: of school, but I could live here. The rest of
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  Speaker 2: my life. And so I live in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Diegoya, Laoya. So when I was training, I would be
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  Speaker 1: in a Lucadia Carlsbad in Sita's area, dude, and it
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  Speaker 1: was we'd stay like on the bluff, hang out, like
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  Speaker 1: just a way of living out there. Like, so California
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  Speaker 1: really just can't beat.
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  Speaker 4: It, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell in love with it my trip out there,
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  Speaker 2: I just I fell in love with I fell in
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  Speaker 2: love with the city. The school is so open, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just like and and then it was like a
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  Speaker 2: melting pot, Like I mean, and I was I had
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  Speaker 2: never been around any Asians, any no Mexicans. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's everything at this school. Like the diversity was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: What was the process like going into the draft because
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  Speaker 3: you were number two overall? Right, number two, number two overall?
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  Speaker 3: Talk about that because obviously like running back, now you
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  Speaker 3: got somebody in the top ten, it's like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 3: a big leap. Like back when you were running back,
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  Speaker 3: like the running back was the premier spot that you
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  Speaker 3: drafted at.
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  Speaker 4: You signed guys like you built the round the running back.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what we didn't do in college? The running backs
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  Speaker 2: that got drafted early that you see going one, two, three.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what we didn't do in college. We didn't share
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  Speaker 2: the backfield. You watch college nown you got three and
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  Speaker 2: four guys playing, I'm like, who's the guy? You can't
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  Speaker 2: tell who the guy is. Yeah, And so if you
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  Speaker 2: don't step up and demand, look, hey, I want to
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  Speaker 2: carry the ball twenty twenty five times a game, and
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  Speaker 2: then you're not going to get it. The position and
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying it, the position has been devalued by the
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  Speaker 2: guys who want to share time. Even in the pros,
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  Speaker 2: these guys come out. Man, I never wanted to come
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  Speaker 2: out of the game. I didn't want somebody taking my spot, right,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's like to run two carries like they'
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  Speaker 2: less somebody else in.
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  Speaker 1: Right, It's got to make you appreciate a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Derek Henry.
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  Speaker 2: Then, yeah, well, Derek Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Kristen don't come
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  Speaker 2: in for me, right.
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  Speaker 4: I saw I actually read recently.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's just an article on it about CMC
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  Speaker 3: talking about how he's connected with you in the off
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  Speaker 3: seasons or you giving him advice feedback. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was like you and Ladanian Tomlinson taking care of your body,
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  Speaker 3: just kind of being like Christians, kind of like that
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  Speaker 3: that style that you were.
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  Speaker 4: Where you're you can do everything.
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  Speaker 3: You can catch out of the backfield, you can line
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  Speaker 3: up at receiver, you can run the ball, talk about
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  Speaker 3: talk about meeting him and and how you've been uh
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  Speaker 3: kind of I guess a mentor uh during his career.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I could say I was a mentor.
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  Speaker 2: The kid is such astute and obviously we know his
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  Speaker 2: father is is the pedigreed is there. But what I
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  Speaker 2: love is in today's game, very few guys reach out.
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  Speaker 2: I got it, I know. And the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: know he'll call and he'll ask certain things and he's
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  Speaker 2: not asking for pointers on how to hit the hole,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, how do I longevity? You played thirteen years?
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  Speaker 2: How do I do this? How do I add? What
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  Speaker 2: did you change about your workouts when you got to
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  Speaker 2: this age? What did you you know? The things that
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  Speaker 2: you want to know to like next level, which is
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  Speaker 2: how to maintain your body, how to take care of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: And and that's that's what he's doing. It's it's not
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  Speaker 2: about what happens on the field, is about what happens
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  Speaker 2: off the field, and he's smart enough to understand the
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  Speaker 2: game is gonna be played. You just got to be
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  Speaker 2: out there to be to play it. The best, the best,
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  Speaker 2: the best, the best. When you have talent and you
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  Speaker 2: see it, the best ability is your availability.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah. With going back to San Diego, San Diego State,
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  Speaker 1: when you're having all these big offers and you just
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  Speaker 1: go to a place in the location to you is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is where I want to be, Like, was there
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  Speaker 1: any family members? I was like, listen, you have an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to go to the NFL. Here, are you sure
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  Speaker 1: you want to go to stand can.
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  Speaker 4: Go to Miami, but to Miami in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: But listen, and I'm gonna be like, I'll be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you. Guys. On my high school football team in
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  Speaker 2: four years, I probably won like six games. Like we
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  Speaker 2: were we sucked, like you couldn't tell, but everybody we
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  Speaker 2: played like you could, like I scored on when we
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  Speaker 2: played against the really good teams, Like I wasn't on
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  Speaker 2: a good team. So it wasn't like you saw in me,
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  Speaker 2: oh he could go to the NFL. It was like
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  Speaker 2: you people didn't know they didn't see it. So when
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  Speaker 2: I got to San Diego State and all right, now
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  Speaker 2: I'm not playing running back, receiver, quarterback, dB, kicker, punter,
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  Speaker 2: return kicks, punts. Like when I walked on the feeling
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  Speaker 2: in high school, I didn't come off till halftime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I did everything And when the when the kicker was okay,
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  Speaker 2: I held for him. So I did everything. So they
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  Speaker 2: didn't really get a chance to see. So I get
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  Speaker 2: to see Diego State now it's just like that's all
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  Speaker 2: I do is play running back. Oh my god, this
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  Speaker 2: is easy.
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  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: I get I get the rest while the defenses out there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm way easier.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was like night and day.
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  Speaker 1: So if you didn't know in high school, like for
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  Speaker 1: for me, I I tell a story that I got
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  Speaker 1: offered by Utah State going into my senior year and
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  Speaker 1: that was like, Okay, I'm gonna go NFL. And when
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  Speaker 1: we were for you where you're like, okay, I'm for
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  Speaker 1: sure maybe not going to have the success that you've
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  Speaker 1: eventually had, but like what did you know?
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna be an NFL football player second my
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  Speaker 2: second game in college, literally first game didn't go well.
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  Speaker 2: First game. First game, I didn't I didn't play much.
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  Speaker 2: And I got in it was like we we we
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  Speaker 2: played I think it was like Long Beach State. And
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  Speaker 2: I got in and I had a couple of good
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  Speaker 2: runs and then I, you know, tried to tried to
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  Speaker 2: do a little too much and did a spin move
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  Speaker 2: in the ball flew in the air. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god. And then the next the next game,
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  Speaker 2: I don't play. The first quarter. First play, first play
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  Speaker 2: of the second quarter, our starting running back was the
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  Speaker 2: punt returner. He gets hit in the thigh and he's
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  Speaker 2: out and coach grabs my face mask. The only thing
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  Speaker 2: he says is hold on to the ball, and so
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: so from right right hold on to the ball. So
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  Speaker 2: I am end up playing the rest of the second quarter,
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  Speaker 2: the third quarter, and half of the fourth. In that time,
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  Speaker 2: I'd rushed for three hundred and eighty nine yards and
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  Speaker 2: seven touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: Who were all playing.
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  Speaker 2: Literally, people get mad at me because they because because
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  Speaker 2: after that, like I think after that year, they shut
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  Speaker 2: down the football program. It was the University of Pacific.
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  Speaker 2: Literally literally that's what they say.
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  Speaker 1: You the programs anymore? That is nuts me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like going from uh, where'd you
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: grow up exactly? New Orleans, New Orleans, to San Diego
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  Speaker 3: and then to Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: All culture shocks, all culture shocks. Like I'm talking night
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  Speaker 2: and day. Man, what was I remember before we get
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: to that. I remember going to the going to the combine.
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  Speaker 2: So I leave, I leave San Diego, I go to
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  Speaker 2: fight Indianapolis for the combine. It's cold like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: like this time of the year Indy and it did
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  Speaker 2: just had like one of the worst blizzards and I
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: never been in snow. I'm like, oh my god, it sucks.
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  Speaker 2: This is awful. I would never live here. With the
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  Speaker 2: second pick in the Napolis coach take bunch of fuck
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, take us to your thought process probably pumped checking
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  Speaker 3: around or second overall, but that same time, you're like, damn,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta go to Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, That's all I was thinking about
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: was the wintertime. I was just like, man, it's how
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  Speaker 2: cold it was when I was there, so I kept
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  Speaker 2: I was happy that we played indoors, but at that
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  Speaker 2: point in time, they didn't have an indoor practice facility.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my first year my first year, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have an indoor practice facility, so it was it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't as bad as I thought. It's it's so
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: different when you, like in college, how you see things
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  Speaker 2: too in the pros, Like you grow up real fast
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: when you like you're a rookie. Halfway through the season,
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: it starts to get starts to get cold, and you're
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  Speaker 2: you're in the locker room and you're in a huddle
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: and he's grown men. He's like grown ass men. They're like, like,
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  Speaker 2: my job's on the line, hold on to the ball.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, man, this like this guy gotta feed his kids.
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  Speaker 2: They got like, like the game for some people, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really a game. It's like it's their livelihood and
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: they take it serious. And that was that. That's like
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: a that's like a whole nother transition, seeing the game
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  Speaker 2: for what it is, but make it, but trying to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that it's still fun for you because the
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: funk can go out of it real quick.
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  Speaker 1: That's got to be like the hardest thing though, is
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: realizing how much of a business it is, especially like
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: high school, like all your boys, like you win in
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  Speaker 1: six games, your entiret but every single Friday, the boys
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: are hyped up. Ye after how it was for you boys,
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  Speaker 1: But hey, it's like, how we're going to find a
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: toll pack of beer after this? You know, chase a
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  Speaker 1: couple of girls around.
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  Speaker 2: Like the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: But you're all kind of like doing doing your thing.
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  Speaker 1: Then you go to college and it's like a little
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  Speaker 1: more obviously more serious, but like no one's got no
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: one's married, no one has families. Like you're still like
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: all as a community going and doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Across San Diego. You're all chasing the yeah, and you're
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: all chasing the NFL, and you get the NFL. It's
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: like now you're twenty one years old and there's thirty
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: two year old dudes, three kids growing. Then they go,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: they do their business and they leave. You're like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: you want to you want to hang out? They're like, no, dog,
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I'm gonna go see my family.
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  Speaker 1: Like how difficult was that for you to kind of
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  Speaker 1: like realize and keep the fun when it was so business?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you obviously like you've got to have the right
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: support system around you because a lot of the dudes
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: in the locker room they're not when it's over, you're
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: not going to play Madden, Like you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: hang out. Yeah, and your priorities start to change and
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  Speaker 2: you start to understand how much of a business it
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  Speaker 2: is and you have to start. Yeah, the game is
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  Speaker 2: fun and you're getting paid a lot of money and
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  Speaker 2: it's a business and they expect you to do your job.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't, if you don't do the things you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do, the fund can go out of it
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  Speaker 2: really quick.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, really quick.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel like your professionalism in like know,
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: acclimating yourself to the league as a running back developed
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  Speaker 3: over time, especially as a younger guy like you were
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: alluding to, you know, talking with Christian about like maintaining
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: your body and everything like that, Like how did you
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: develop as a pro in the early part of your career?
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  Speaker 2: That what I told him and the things that I
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: say to him, im it. Spiant told it to me,
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  Speaker 2: Thurman Thomas told it to me, Ronnie Harmon. Like these
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: old heads they if you ask the veterans will tell
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: you what to do. Like they'll give you the information
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: on how to have a long a long career and
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: how to last and and and how how to community
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: continue to be productive in your latter years. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't a hard thing. Actually what what what is
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: hard is early in your career making sure that you
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  Speaker 2: do an off season, you remain in shape, you don't
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: go party with your boys. Later in your career, making
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: sure that you value you value the time that you
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: get to train and and don't oh, I got to
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: take my kids here, I got to go here with
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: the wife. The time that we get, those thirteen years
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: that I play, it's like a blip in my life,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Like it was such a fun time. But when I
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: look back at it, I was like, man, that seemed
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: like so long, but it was, it went so fast.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: So cherishing in the moments that you have and the
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: responsibilities to making sure that that you are the best
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: that you can be. It's a it's a responsibility that
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: you you got to take on because when I'm in
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: the huddle, you know what I want you to know
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: when you're looking at me, that you can come at me.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I want you to know that I did the things
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: that I was supposed to do in the off season
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: to be here, and I got you, and I need
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: to know you did the same thing.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: How was it difficult for you to ask for that
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: guidance and help from those older guys.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: No, uh huh, No, I'm so. I'm the youngest. I got,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I got, I got five older brothers. I'm the youngest
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: of six. And I learned, you know, I learned by
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: watching them and asking them. And I didn't have to repeat.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: They paid the dummy tax. I didn't have to pay it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: No, it's fair of being the youngest. You kind of
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: have to go by it like the humble way, because
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: if not the older, your older brothers will humble you.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both, we're both the oldest.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Go.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: No, did you have one?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I was gonna say, was there ever like somebody
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: you reached out to for help? That was like you
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: got to figure out for yourself?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Nah, because I was selected. I was always selective. What
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I did was I made sure that I formed some
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: type of relationship with the person before I engaged and
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: asked for help. And I think that's what you do.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: You just call somebody up and say hey. You don't
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: ask them about their life. You don't find out about
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: anything that motivates them, you know, you don't find out
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: if y'all have any commonalities you just ask them. I mean,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that's kind of cheesy. Call somebody. You get to know them,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and that's what christ and they say, Hey, man, I'm
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: a big fan, huge fan of yours. Always loved your game,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Like like we had a conversation about where I was
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: at in life and what I was doing and how
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: things are going before we got into anything about ball.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: And I think there's just a respectful way to go
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Who is that rival running back that you always just
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: kept your eye on that you.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: All of us, all of them, every every back that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I took. I didn't care where you were drafted, how
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: good you were. I wanted to be the best running
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: back on the field. Actually, I wanted to be the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: best football player on the field period. That's what I
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: always thought about. I never looked at it as as
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a position, like I always looked at myself as a
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: football player like I was never I wasn't a running
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: back or receiver or slot like. I didn't want labels.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, I can play the game of I'm
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a football player.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Right, I was, I gonna ask it was so tasting
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the business for the first time, Like you get traded
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: to Saint Louis before you get traded.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: You have some turf toe that you're battling. A couple
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: of years.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: You did your homework.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Hey listen, man, Marshall Fulk.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: You're on the man cover, you know, seeing the jerseys
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: transition of navy blue and gold, like you're Marshall Fulk.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: So yes, I know a little bit about you.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: But tasting the business for the first time, like walk
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: us through that like cause you know you're you're drafted
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: second overall, like you're the man, and then all of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a sudden you get traded for a couple of picks
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: to Saint Louis. Like talk up at that relationship and
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: kind of seeing the business for what it is.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: With Indianapolis, yeah, I was ready for change, and I
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: think Indianapolis they were as long as because my last
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: year there in ninety eight, I almost did a thousand thousand.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, we sucked, but I had an
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: amazing year. I almost did a thousand thousand. Yeah, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and we only won like three or four games. So
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I was putting in work. But what they realized was
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: that people were still following me. I was the leader,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and they wanted it to be Peyton's team. So moving
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: me kind of took a security blanket away from Peyton,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: which which actually allowed him to grow up because the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: next year they went thirteen and three and he took
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: charge of the team. How that was kind of his
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: leadership way. But for me that happened but in the move,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: accepting the fact that it was time to go, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like like I kind of needed it
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: in a sense because when you walk into a new
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: locker room and here's eyes and it's like you got traded,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you got this big contract. They looking at you, You
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: looking at them, and it's like it's like, who the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: hell is this guy? Who does he think he is?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And and I and you walk. You go from a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: locker room to where you're proven to a locker room
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: where you have to prove yourself and it puts you back,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: like it gives you that edge back. I got that
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: edge back, and I was like, Okay, I like this,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I gotta show I gotta earn their respect before before
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: they believe I can lead them. And if if you
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: accept it like that, then the business is easy to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: deal with.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Gotcha, how long does it take you to earn that respect?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: In your mind? I mean, it's extremely established. I'm sure
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: it didn't take very.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Long, but.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: It actually took I'm gonna tell I'll be honest, it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: took a few games. I'm gonna tell you. We so
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: we were, we were I think we were six and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: oh and I barely touched the ball. And I had
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: not one games in the NFL without touching the ball
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that much. Like I think the first game I touched
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the ball twelve times, and next game like thirteen, maybe fifteen.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But we go we're I think we were six and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: oh five and oh six and oh, and we're in Tennessee.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: We're playing the Titans, and they're giving us the business.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: You know, they're giving us the business. I'm just telling you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: We go into the locker room. I go to Mike Marsa.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I said, Mike, I understand you being judicious. Just come
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to me. And so we come out. We come out.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: The first like five or six plays, the ball goes
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to me. We score, and so I kind of took
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: over the game. We're down like twenty one, twenty one,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: maybe three, and we ended up tying it up twenty
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: four to twenty four. And they got the ball, drove
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: down and kicked the field goal in overtime, but they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: had not seen like I literally took over the game.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And that's when they were like, okay, like all right,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: we now we see who this guy is. Right before that,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I was just like I was coasting. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: hadn't really taken over a game or played up to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: my potential because I was just a part of the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: offense I was doing. You know, I'm five eight, ten
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: yards twenty score a touchdown here. It didn't we didn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: need to dominate. But like I was like Mike feed
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the boy, like, yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Have you always been a guy that's like, hey, give
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: me the give me the ball or was that like
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: was that a new thing for you to do to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Like that that was that was always my personality was
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: like if we're going to we're going to win. If
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I have the ball, that's like if I'm getting the ball,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: we are going to win. That's like that was always
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: by my personality.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: That's like a standard textbook personality trait of a skill
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: position guy that you need probably so you need that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like aj Brown playing with him with the Titans, like
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: he was a guy that like he's not getting a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: lot of catches, he's like do you all want to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: win or not? Like you need to give me the football. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and a lot of guys who look at that as
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like selfish guy, nothink about the team, but like you
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: want dudes to have that kind of confidence and that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: kind of like that ed have that edge of being
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: like I can truly make a difference any point in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the game at any time.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I went about it a little different because, I mean,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: should I play with ice Bruce Tory Holp? So I
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: was always like, Mike, look, no problem. Like we started
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the game, you throw it, no problem. But when it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: get real, when it gets real, like hey hey, like
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: like when you know when I started looking at him.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Like hey yeah, like let's get going score a little
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: too close?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like playing with the Peyton just
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: coming into it?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Was fun? Man, it was fun. It was fun like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: watching him learn the game because he had all the attributes.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But the speed of the game was just a little different,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: like your first year for a quarterback. It's moving fast,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like faster than you ever thought. And he threw a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: bunch of interceptions. And I mean I used to we
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: used to walk off and he used to. I just
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: didn't think the guy could get there. I didn't think
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the guy could get there. And then one time I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: was just like, hey, Peyton's the NFL. Everybody can get there. Yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Like it's a little different, man. All these dudes, the dudes, man,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: they were at some point in time, they were the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: best person on a team, All of these dudes in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Like the dudes with obviously that rookie year throwing all
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: those interceptions, did you expect him to have the career
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that he ended up happing?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you can see it, you know
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: what I mean, because it was all like every mistake
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: was a new mistake, and he didn't make the same
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: mistake twice. Once he made that mistake, he fouled away,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: never made the mistake again.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: That Let's dive into the greatest show on turf. Talk
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: about that year. We have a Tennessee Titan, Nashville native.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You want to hug yard and a half.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You want to hug hey, Jack hugg.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It's okay, that newspaper shot reaching.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a hug.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: No talk about talk about that year man and the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: rise of the Saint Louis Rams.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It was literally I remember being in that locker room,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: you know, from the start of the season, and I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: think it was like I think it was Keith Lole Todd,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: like they say why not us? Like why not us?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Literally like why not us?
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Why why can't we dominate the league? And everybody was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: like huh. And like that literally started. You could see
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: guys because the Rams had a lot of good draft picks,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: but they just couldn't put the pieces together. And it
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: was all because they had drapped with Orlando Pace, gwyn Renstrom,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Isaac Bruce toddl like like all of these dudes are
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: first rounders. Like they had guys that was still on
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the team that that that could play, and you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: it just it just hadn't happened for them. But the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the willingness to just buy in and and and we
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: started this. We started this thing with celebrating as a team,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Like it started in practice. It didn't matter who caught
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the touchdown, we were gonna celebrate as a team. It
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: didn't matter who got the sack, they were gonna we
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: were gonna celebrate as a team. And and that started
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to feed into the identity. And then we had this
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: special teams coach that was like he was the best
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I had ever heard get people ready to play. I mean,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and he used to use a lot of war analogies
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: and and and and ask guys to go and and
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and tell him what to do. And it used to
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: get people so fired up. I mean, I didn't even
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: play Special teams. I sat in the Special teams meetings
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: just to hear him talk shit. And and he man,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Frank Ganz was like he was. He was one of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the best special teams coaches to ever played. And in
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that mantra of us, everybody was like, we gotta go
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to work if we want to do this, and that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: became our whole thing. Gotta go to work, Gotta go
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to work, Gotta go to work, Gotta go to work.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: When you guys, so you guys are feeling the juice yourself? Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: team and everything like when did that? Like, all right,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the momentum is in our favor right now. When did
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: it turn into old legit? We can win a Super
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Bowl this year?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: After after we lost to Tennessee, the next week of practice,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: how we showed up. I had been a part of
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: teams that lost games and showed up like it was nothing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Guys showed up, hissed mad like working hard. You could
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: see that the linemen like O line, D line, they
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: were in fights with each other. It wasn't the it
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't the I'm I'm I'm doing defensive scout team a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: offensive scout team, and I'm just getting in your way.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It was like they were trying to kick each other's butt.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And and I was like, man, these dudes, these dudes
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: hungry man, and and you could you could start to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: see it. And we I think right after that, we
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: played the Niners and the Rams hadn't beat the Niners
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in like eleven times, and we blew them out, like
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: literally blew them out. And that's when it was like
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: there's something here. There's literally something here.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: And having that pissed off team after losing the Titans,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: how hungry were you guys to play him again in
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the in the Super Bowl.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: We couldn't have had a better opponent, literally, could not
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: have had a better opponent.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Came down the last place, could.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Not have had a better opponent.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It was like if you go back and watch the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: game that we played them, uh in Tennessee, like that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: game was hard, was just as hard fought as the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And and to watch the effort of Eddie
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: George and the late Steve McNair, like the effort. Like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I watched the last drive. Steve McNair is leaving it
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: all out there. I'm talking dog tired and just finding
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: a way to stay up, fight guys off, complete passes
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and you know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: What was your vibe like on the sideline seeing him
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: drive down.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, man, I was like, I was
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: so calm because I just didn't think this is I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: was like, I knew a little bit about Fisher. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was like, there's no way he goes for two because
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: if they scored, they were tie. But there was no
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: way he was going for two.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You know, that route was ran wrong. That route at
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that depth was just a little bit more.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but that that that's it though. The discipline
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of the game is sometimes what cause what all the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: times is when you while you win or lose the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: discipline and how you do stuff.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Mike Jones, Yeah, he's the one who had that final tackle.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You also play with I got to play with him.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Oh stay in the Super Bowl. Stand in the Super
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Bowl because I was so tenty. I played for the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Titans twenty nineteen were two quarters away from going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a super Tell me that feeling of running out of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the tunnel for a Super Bowl to literally achieve a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: world championship, that that moment is it because you like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: obviously extremely successful, like you've literally done everything you can
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: possibly do as a football player, but like the opportunity
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to achieve like the holy grail of a team sport,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Like what is that? Was it moment massive? Or was it?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Like how hard was it to stay like kind of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: composed just running out of the tunnel knowing win or
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: lose is the last game of the year and this
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is a legacy deal.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't even try to stay composed smart, Like what
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I did was I allow whatever was going to happen
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to happen, and that you know, I was going to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: be able to gather myself and play the game. That's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: literally when I ran out of that out of the tunnel,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I was so hyped, Like I started hyper ventilating. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: had to go to the sideline and get some oxygen.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I was like so excited because as a kid, like
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: my friends and I'm I'm I'm from New Orleans. We're
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: playing in Atlanta. I got so many people at the game,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: like people that spent their last to get there because
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: they grew up, you know, everybody, And I'm thinking about
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: my boys when we you know, as kids. Every time,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: it didn't matter what the score was. Oh ship, the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: street light's coming on. We got to get home. This
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: play is to win the Super Bowl. I'm like, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: get a chance. Man, You're crazy, Like I was not
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: going to hold anything back. And you know, by the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: time when I ran out, I'm I'm like, I'm amped,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and I time I wore myself out, I'm sitting on
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the bench, I'm like, I gotta catch my breath.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Literally, I started the game off tired and it took
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: like I had to catch my second win just to
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: go out and play. That's that's how much adrenaline is
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: going through your body to play that game.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: What a moment that would be. They're the MVP that
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: year too, right now, that was Kurt's that was Kurt.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: You were second to Kurt, right, that's wild? Like Kurt
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: was the Kurt Warners number one.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So three years in a row two So Kurt one,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I was second. I won, he was second, Kurt one.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I was second three years in a row.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: A guy who was filling grocery bags.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: The best grocery bagger in the business.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Details bags were never on the bottom, Like he knew
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: what the hell he was doing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what was he like playing with him?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Hey? Best man? I know man, I tell people all
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the time, like I'm talking not just football player, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: like person you meet him, like so authentic, so authentic, uh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and just just enjoyed playing with him. He only got
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: upset with himself. It didn't matter who was yelling at him.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: He he maintained who he was and he always stayed
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in his person and who he wanted to be, like
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a man of faith, always.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Not going back to back Spygate, Patriots taking it from
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: from us, from the Rams, from US seas Rams. You
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: were a Cowboys fan. I was a Cowboys fan. But
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: you're still like you know when the when the city
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: team wins. As a kid, you're on that bandwagon, you
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like Marshall Fulk was on the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: cover of Madden. You pretended to be guys like Marshall Falk,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Trail Davis, Eddie Georgia out in the front yard. But
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: back to the question of not getting that back to
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: back Super Bowl against the Patriots.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Talk about that Yeah, that was a tough one.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You know, for for a while, I hung on that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: loss more than I did the win, you know, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and and you just you just you know, you gotta
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: let it go. You literally let it go. And and
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that's that's easy to do when you play sports. You know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you you don't you don't really know how to really
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: maintain what you need in order to enjoy the wins.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It's so much easier to go down and be pissed
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: off about the loss. That's so much easier, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: because it it becomes few to your fire. You know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you use it to like get stuff done. You know. Really,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: when you're the best, you're like, oh, I'm gonna work
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: out harder.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It's like it's harder to work out harder when you're
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the best. It's easy to work out harder when when
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: there's some adversity or something's up against you. And so
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I had to I really had to like
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: work on like, man, I gotta let this go. Like
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed winning the super Bowl more than I did
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: losing the Super Bowl? Why am I not talking about
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: this as much?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you feel like there's any truth to the spygate.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And man, look, I mean let's let's just let's just
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: say this. It's it's it's not one spy gate, it's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: two spy gates. There's all kinds of stuff that you
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: know it's but but in this, in this, in this
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: business of professional sports. You know, Al Davis used to
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: say it, if you ain't cheating, you't try.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And some people, some people you know you you find it,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You find a way to get it done. And in
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the game in between the lines. It ain't holding if
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: they don't call it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but spying.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: If they don't. If they don't call it, they gotta
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: call it. The league has to throw the challenge flag
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: on itself. Yeah, and they ain't never doing that. We're
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: not gonna be baseball. Remember that baseball got some teint it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: He ain't doing that. You're not gonna see no asteris
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: buy any super Bowl? Trust that when do you when
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you come back to it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously you didn't play in Las Vegas for a Super Bowl,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: but you're during super Bowl Week? Like, is there a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: piece of nostalgia every time you come back and do
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: all this stuff?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Always always, yeah, always, just just the memory the memories
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of because because when you're actually when you're like so
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: when I was in the league, I would not come
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: to a super Bowl until I played one or until
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I won one. So I never came until until until
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: then I came to and then I didn't come again
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: until until after ninety nine, until after the two thousand season.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: So you're always wondering when you're playing, like what's happening?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: What's going on out there?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: What?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: What's what?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: What what's what's what's happening? And now being on this
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: side of it, I'm always thinking about, like, man, what
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: are they talking about? Like what are they what are
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: they game planning? What's the scheme? Like? Like the guys
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: what what? What are what are they planning on? Because
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you you talk about how much you're going to man
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: after we win this, after we win this, here's what
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do after we win. Oh, I can't wait.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I can't. Like you're you're manifesting your destiny and so
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: you're talking about it. You can see it, and that's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: why when you lose it hurts so much.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of passion in your voice, like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: where did you get this championship? Mindset? Has it always
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: been since your young child, or did it have to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: develop over process of elimination of trying new things and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: kind of having to pay it if it okay? This mindset,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: this way, this body of work is not working for
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: me right now, Like where did you get to where?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: What we're seeing right now?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: When you're the youngest and because of age, size or whatever,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you don't get to win, it burns in you. Like
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I I so I basketball is my first sport. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: my brothers they all played basketball, and my two brothers
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that were really good. When I got big enough, they
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't play me, so they didn't want to lose to me.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: So it's it's it's literally just it's just competitive in me. Yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I compete at everything. Everything that I do,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I compete and I'm always competing against myself. I'm just
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: trying to get better, just trying to get better. I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: trying to live life better, trying to be a better
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: human every day.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: There's got to be like a with football players or
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: anybody who plays a sport in general, there's got to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: be like this insane competitiveness like about you in every
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: fast I feel like it doesn't leave any part of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: your life, Like, what about it? What now? Are you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like the most competitive.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: In probably golf?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, big golfer.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I love golf. I love golf. It's it's the most
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: mentally challenging thing that I've ever done in my life.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Like it's you know, I've never been so mad and
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: disappointed in myself for not being able to mentally focus
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: at something that doesn't hit back. You know, It's like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it's crazy if you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Could play somebody want a celebrity in golf, just to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: know that you could beat them? Who to be to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: know that I can be, not know that you would
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: beat that, but if you want to prove yourself like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Jordan, we know he.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Plays all Tiger, Like I would like to play Tiger
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: in the match and think you'd be Tiger. I'm saying
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I would like to play Tiger.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Tiger.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Come on, man, Like, really, have.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You seen the clip? There's a there's a barstool podcast
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: called for Play and they did a long drive competition
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: with Tiger. Have you seen that clip? Yeah, he's on
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: his knees. Yeah, incredible drives him? How drives him? That
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is just crazy?
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Do you got any good? Uh?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I got to play with London Fletcher, like his last year.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: But did do you have any good London Fletcher stories?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Because you was U was with him when he was young,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: like undrafted, like he always had this look at his
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: eye he kept at the end his entire career.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: But do you have any good London Fletcher stories?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So the best this is my best. I don't know
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: if we named him dot com dot com Fletcher dot com,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: so we started calling him dot com. But here's how
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I met London. I was on the coats and we
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: had a joint practice because Jim Moore he he and
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Dick Vermill they coached together at U c.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: L A.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So we meet at Champagne, Illinois, and we have a
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: joint practice, all right, and we get ready to do
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: one on ones and uh, like, the starting linebacker comes up.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember who it was. And I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: came up and I come out the backfield, I run around,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: catch the ball. Then we moved to the other side.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I come up. The other starting linebacker came up, caught
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the ball on him, and then it's time for me
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to go again. And the linebacker that's up is like
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: wearing number sixty six, and I turned around. I'm like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: can y'all get somebody else in here? And it was London.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It was Loundon because it was his rookie year, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: he was like, he was like, you don't want to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: go against me, You don't want to go against me.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, look, man, I ain't trying to get hurt
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: messing with no rookie, right, all right? And two years
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: later I'm playing with him and we line up and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: he and he reminded me. He was like, hey, I
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: know you don't notice, but I was number sixty six
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: when we were in camp.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I said, okay, did he ever do have your strap you?
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: One on ones? Oh?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: No, not never. No, he could not. No. But you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: pass past linebacker, passed right, pass pro, you know, pass pro,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: meet him in the egg gap, catching him off the edge.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: He won his battles there. You know, I put up
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a good fight and I'm supposed to lose that. I'm
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: just supposed to occupy your time, right, I supposed to win.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to get in your way death.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But but one on one he no chance. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: told him. I say, listen, here's the reality. Ain't whether
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to catch the ball. The reality is you're
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: not gonna touch me. Like in this drill me. Winning
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: is whether you touch me or not.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Has there been a linebacker to strap you, whether it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: in a game.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's it's listen, it's going to happen, right,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, it's happened many a times. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: but like we're talking situation. You know what I'm saying.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: If it's if it's third and I gotta win, whatever
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: that is, it ain't happening. Now. You can catch me
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: on second down. You can probably catch me, you know.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: But if if if we're calling the play and this
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: play is it's third in this and we're going to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: they're calling they're calling my route or a play to me.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Unless they double team me, like and take me out
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and make the quarterback not throw it to me, I'm winning.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: That's that's just that was like guarantee.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I mean you essentially, I mean you were like known
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: for the folk route coming out of the backfield running vertical.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I know that was absolute hell for any linebacker to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: have to do just cover Marshall out of the best.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking about, You're like, Okay, it's gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: break in, You're gonna break.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Out right, and Amity.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Runs by you, You're like, oh.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Are you strapping down?
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Marshall? Yeah, I mean you know, I'll get him every
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: now and then, do you think? So? Yeah, Man, I'm
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: gonna ge I'm gonna have my day.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have that out of ten times, I'm gonna win.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess right at some point, I'm.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Gonna point the other time I fell down.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get I'll have to guess, but I'll guess
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: right at some point, and then that's when I'll.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Stop playing, you know what I mean.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Now I'm shall, you know, get somebody else say, I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: not trying to get hurt against somebody like you.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Uh, dude.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: You were talking earlier about always wanting to be the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: running back, like never leave the field, be that guy
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: at all times. Talk about like when Steven Jackson was
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: coming in and you start splitting characters and splitting reps
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: in the later part of your career, Like how was
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: that for you?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So the story is different than that. When they drafted,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Steve and I had a conversation because Steven and I
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: we had the same agent, and I said to Steve
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and I say, look, here's the reality. And I told Mike,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I said, here's the reality. If you want the job,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you got to beat me out. I'm not giving it
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: to you like I'm not. You have to take this job.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And I told him, I said, the only reason why
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that's the case is in this huddle, the best guy
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: gonna be here for these dudes. And so if you
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: beat me up, you're the best guy. That's it. But
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I knew I was, you know, I was. I think
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I was like thirty two, you know, and I was like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I couldn't play whole games anymore. I needed, you know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I needed to kind of split time a little bit,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you know. I just I wasn't the back I was right,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I once was. So it was it was good. He
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: learned a lot, you know. I sat down with him
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and went over film and talked about here's what I see,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: here's what I'm thinking, this is my prestat read you
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: know whatever. Whatever I could teach him, I taught him,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you know, just just in not like taking him under
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: my wing. Just I want when he's in there, I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: want him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: To have.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: What I have and how I see things for the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: other team guys in there, so and he was he
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: was he was awesome, man, he he never. I mean,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: you're you're your early pick. You know, you're you're playing
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: behind you know, guys in his eleven twelfth year, right,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's like ship, you can't win the job.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: That could mess with your confidence, you know, that started
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: to Yeah, that started to mess with your confidence. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the only thing that kept me in the game was
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: because you know, like the mentals out of the game,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you know, mentally mentally, I just I didn't make many mistakes.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And when you can, when you can, when your mind
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: is sharp and you cannot make mistakes, and you could
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: be efficient with carries, always get positive yards. Although you
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: don't hit the home run the way you used to,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and you're not you can't do all the things that
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: you used to do, you could still be effective.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: How was how was that process when you start to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, I can't hit the home run, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: am losing a step, Like father time is starting to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: catch up with you.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Right, oh, yeah, you're in.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: When did the denial turn into acceptance?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe the season before my last So my the twelfth year,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I had a series of games that I mean, like
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I never got tackled by the first guy. And and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: so it happened probably three or four games where single
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: guy ran up on me. I put a move on
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: him and he got me, and I was and I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: was like, and I was like, man, you know, hmm,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you just you're thinking like, oh, oh, that was a
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: good type. He barely got my leg. Oh he barely.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Oh he hit my leg and it hit my other foot.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And those are things that that first guy wouldn't even
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: touch me right now and now yeah, and now I'm
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: getting tackled by the first guy. To me, that was like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you know, that's like a wounded animal out there. I'm like, listen,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: there's blood in the water. There's no way I talk
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: too much smack when I play, like, there's no way
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be out here. And I can't. I got
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I can't make the first guy miss. I'm in trouble.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Who's some of the best ship talkers you went against.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Johnny Randall, Rodney Harrison straight hand talked all day. Oh Sap,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sap wouldn't shut up, would not shut up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It's impressive to see a big guy that doesn't shut up. Yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of motor around that much
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and keep the Josh sets going the whole time.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Sad was Sad was Sad was the one, and he
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: had an issue with this guard that we had, uh,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Frankie Garcia. And he talks back to him the whole game,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: called his name out the whole every time. He was
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Frankie coming to get you, Frankie, look.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: At me anything you're saying to Frankie.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, FRANKI, it's okay, brother, We're here for you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well the first the first time it happened,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: he was like Frankie, Frankie and Frankie Frankie and and
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I'm looking this way. Frankie's back as to Sad, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I say, Frankie talking to you.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: O ship, frank you gotta do something, frank stand up
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: for yourself. Frankie an offensive lineman. And a lot of
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: those dudes are South spoken cats. Was he was he
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a talker? Was Frankie talker?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Was he kind of keeping nothing to say?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Frankie killing with kindness kind of guy.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Something happened, Frankie was playing somewhere else in him and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: sap something something happened and they had issues. And when
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that's when anytime sat played him regardless of he was
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: playing on it. He got after him.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: How's a bad guy of on your back?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: How do you?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: How do you feel like the game has gotten softer
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: since you, since your guys era.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say softer, They just they're they're they're playing
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: smarter now. In playing smarter, what they've done is unfair
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: to defense. You know, guys are running across the middle
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: like their Bambi. They can't be touched. They trying to
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: play brave like like you know what I'm saying, like, dude,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: stop running across the middle and you're gonna get up
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: talking smack to somebody because they can't hit you unless
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you look at them like if if if if I IF.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I always say if I duck, that means I saw you. Yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So that creates helmet to helmet. More helmet to helmet
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: contact happens when the guy ducks your linebacker. You're going
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: in he duck, bam, helme with the helmet flag on you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They've putt they put too much of his responsibility on
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the defensive guy. The core back throwing the ball, not
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: protecting his receiver. The offensive coordinator calling these plays putting
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: these guys in these kamakazi situations, none of them are responsible.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And giving a lot of interpretation up to the referee. Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: putting them in a difficult position.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And listen, any hit that looks bad, they got to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: throw a flag, got to they have to.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what were your guys' off seasons?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to remember because we had all start
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: on and he was talking about, you know, how.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: The Union, how it shifted. We asked for all this
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: off time and stuff like that, Like what.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Were your guys? How long were your guys' off seasons?
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Like when did you have to report when? So your
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: last game is in January?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so last game in January. Let's say February. We
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: started off season conditioning and right after the draft. Off
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: season conditioning would be from February until the beginning of April,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and then you would leave after April. You'd come back
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: right after the draft and do the first mini camp.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They'd have a you know, if you were first or
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: second your guy with the rookies, you do that mini camp,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: and then the next week they'd have the Bets would
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: come and you do another mini camp with the Bets
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and the Rooks yeah, and and camp was six weeks long.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Damn man, we do that?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, and now I even talking about two days.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a practice two days, not for real,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: real days, not like not like it's only too like
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: my rookie year of two day would be like practice
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in the morning with pads, little jogged through in the afternoon.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: No, we we were.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: We were full strap ten days, full tackle too. Oh yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: tackle to the ground goal line like live.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Now when you when you were Marshall Fulk m v
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: p Martia Fulk, were you having to participate in the
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: other two days?
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I still did it? Yeah, I still did it, ye
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: because like that was I always my conditioning was how
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I beat people. I was like you when we got
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: to the fourth quarter. I know you didn't work as
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: hard as me.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: I knew it.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: There's no way you worked as hard as me, No way.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: What was what was it like? You had?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: You know, you had to scale positions like yourself. You
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: mentioned Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce. Was all your guys' work
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: ethics just sickening like you're explaining.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we pushed each other like in conditioning, like we
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: were all we raced, We pushed each other. Like some
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: of the stuff you saw in games wasn't even close
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to what we did in practice. Like if you if
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: you thought the greatest show on Turfin, if you watch
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: some of the practices, unbelievable, just unbelievable.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: The joint practice is today like the worst. It's let's
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: take a war. I can't imagine what they were like
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: when you played.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Well now in today's in today's game, that's all they
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: have to They understand that they getting to fight practice over.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it's also there's not a whole hour
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: at the same time, like there's not you know, if
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you get like a little scuffle that there's not you
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about penalties. Guys are playing a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: lot harder and a lot dirty. I feel like joint
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: practices are actually more difficult than games to an extent.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I don't know, Like for for us,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a joint practice was easier than our practice solo. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: because a joint practice, I'm going against somebody who don't
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: know me. When you're going against somebody, when you practice
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: against somebody who know what you do every damn day,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you know how hard that is to defeat him every day?
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: It's like to learn everything.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: When the team you got to play in your division,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: you gotta play him twice. That second time you play him,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: it's hard. If you play him a third time, you're like,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: we beat him twice, can we beat him again? It's hard.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: But now you get to go up against another team
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that's like, oh man, this this is cake this this
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: guy don't know my tricks playing.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, make a lot of relationships in football, obviously, who
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: is give me your three teammates of all time? Doesn't
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: have to be best players, just the boys like hanging
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: out with the.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Most Todd Light, Uh, Tory Holt and who else? Oh
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: a guy that so so this is funny. So my
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: backup in college was my backup in the pros for real? Yeah,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: a guy named Justin Watson.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: How to get to the NFL playing behind you? If
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you said you never come off the field, it just happened.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Was he younger than you? And then like you leave,
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: he has a year he's doing it?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah I left. So he was my backup.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I left. He had two years. He was in camp
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: with the Chargers. He was in camp with the Chargers.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Was was was was on their practice squad for two
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: years and then got picked up when I got traded
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to the Rams.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: You got any good?
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Your best post Super Bowl memory in that next week
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: two span after you guys win the title?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Oh man, just every every everywhere I went, I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I spent. I spent the week down in Miami South Beach,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: rented a yacht like just just yeah, I mean I was.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta remember I never won anything in football, Like,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I never wanted anything. I never wanted to football.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: You never like I never I won a championship in basketball, baseball,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I won state running track. I never won a championship
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: in football, and my the first championship I went in
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: football is in the NFL. I lost my damn mind.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Going crazy too.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Most money you spent in the night, So I was.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I was a smart part of you. You know, I
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: didn't always take it on. I always had teammates with me,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: so we split the bill, so always we always split
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the bill.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So credit card roulette, nothing like that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I mean that happened a couple of times.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you didn't get gone.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you don't make sure you know I've
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I've yeah, I mean it's happened. It's happened.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: What's the heaviest bill you've seen?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Uh? One of the trips we took to Vegas?
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Uh what.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Man? I have to come to you, man, Yeah, Flavor man,
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: because we saw so.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I'm in Michigan, right, yeah, Michigan Michigan vers Nebraska a
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I had to come.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I had to come in here to call my own
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: version of how you doing. I'm good, man, I'm good,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: no complaints with no complaints, no interruption.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I gotta break out, man, I just wanted to come
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to love man.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Probably see probably tonight. Let's do that, okay, man, my man.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Ah, excuse you're good. Welcome to busting with the boys.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Many yeah, Marshalls right on.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Man, Hey, I did see him. The fact that I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: saw that chain, I was like, is that he did?
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Flave just jumping in.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Hey what a water in the show.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you know, Flavor? Flave? Oh?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Man, you super Bowl when you can see Yeah, he
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: was on the yacht.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Is him popping in? Yeah?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Hey man, me and Flavor we go back by that
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: dude's a pioneer, man. Yeah, you gotta love some flave.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Who's the first dude you were starstruck by him?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Flavor of love?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Probably I was in college. I just like burst it
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: onto the scene my freshman year the next year, and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I went up to LA to watch uh, to watch
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Martin and to get to get to meet Martin Lawrence,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: you know, like in the time when he was doing Martin.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I was just like, you know, I wasn't
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: into the whole Hollywood thing, but to see, like, you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: most actors play somebody else, but Martin is Martin. Like
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Martin is Martin Lawrence, so like you're getting to see
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: the dude be himself. It was just like, damn, this
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: is this dude, this is Martin.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: He was like the first star star that I met.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: How about a flippant who was the first dude who
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: you weren't necessarily a starstruke by, but you're surprised that
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: they were super like knew who you were or were
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: starstruck by you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, oh man, this dude he knows
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: who I am.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Someone comes up there, I'm a big fan of you, Like, bro,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you're you right?
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Charles Woodson in here early, He's like oh yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: busting with the boys on night, Charles.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to like, we got a call. I'm
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: trying to think. I think it was I think it
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: was jay Z. We got a call because he went
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: to Jersey. He wore it in the in the video
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: he's in a he's in there, like he wearing a
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: bunch of videos. This was like, you know, late nineties, Jay,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: maybe early two thousand and j one of my one
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: of one of my jerseys is.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: In his video.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Like I was like me, like my jersey. You know cats,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: cats from New York. They don't want to Yeah, they
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: don't want to outside of Jersey when you're from New
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: York there wearing all New York and stuff.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: That is sick. Anthony. Should we ask him anything before
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: we leave? Before we head out? Is he still in there?
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, question.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like so many of these texts, Okay, all right,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: we have uh before we let you go talk about
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: a drug free world.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I know we've been having some good times here,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: but as you guys see, like uh, I literally I
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: went to talk to some high schoolers and and these
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: kids man there, they have no idea, they have no
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: idea fitting all in drugs, what's going on? And they're curious.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: And a lot of the times, as you know, we
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: were kids, the many, the many of your parents or
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: somebody said say, don't do what do you do?
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: You do?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Curious And we've just taken a different approach. I tell people,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: go to drug freeworld dot org. We're not gonna tell
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: you to say. We're not gonna We're not gonna tell you.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna tell you that don't do. We're gonna
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: tell you educate yourself. Like just like you use Google,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: go to our site, get the information. Don't let your
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: friend tell you this drug made me feel like this
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: and then you try it and you die or something
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: crazy happens. Literally, we have educator kids information, anything and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: everything under the sun that you would need just to
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: understand before you try it. What's out there for you?
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: But what uh, what got you into that?
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I just I grew up around drugs and listen, I
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: made it to the Hall of Fame. And I wasn't
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the best player on my team in high school. There's
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I wasn't the best player at my community.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, you seem like you played every position. I
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: would almost assume that you were probably the best player.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Here's six games.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: The best. The best guy sometimes didn't show up. You know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: he was cool, he was smoking weed, he was cool,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: he was you know, and then eventually you know that
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: guy was the guy. You know, after my rookie year,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I go back home. He's the guy on drugs.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: It's like, so, you know, what do you do? What
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: do you do? How you let people know? I believe
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the best way to let people know is by educating
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: him and giving him the opportunities to, like, Hey, at
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: your own liberties. Go to the site drug freeworld dot org.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Get the information, make the right decision.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Was it just like an area that just touched you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: to be like, I want to like get in the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: space or was there anything?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I was always in the space. I grew up around it.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I grew up around it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: You know it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: It has touched me deeply. You know, I've lost many
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: of friends. I've had family members partake and have issues,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: you know, and and recover, you know, to live a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: better life. But everybody don't make it. Everybody don't know
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: how you.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Know in your experience, do you approach conversations like that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: with somebody close to you that you would you know,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: it's like you want to immerse yourself into their world
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: and try to help them out, but you struggle like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: bridging that gap.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: For people that are like watching right now.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: I know, I think of a couple of situations in
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: my circles where you're like, you're just trying to find
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: the lane of like getting them the help they getting
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: them the help they need, I guess without like being
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: like forcing yourself onto them, like in your experience, Like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: what advice would you.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Have with that?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: What I what I, what I say is and what
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I'm always trying to do is anything anything that we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: we find ourselves needing in life. You gotta find out why,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: like well why do I like that? Why why do
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I need to do this? What? What is this masking?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Because it's masking something, And if you can get down
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: to the core, then you can solve the problem. And
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the reality is they might not want to. They might
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: not want the problems solve. They might like how they live,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: how they live their life. And when that's when that's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the case, then you you got to back off because
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: until they are ready, it's not gonna happen. You can't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: make it happen for them. I can't make it happen
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: for them. They have to be ready.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the hardest part, right it is.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to get somebody to get another their
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: own way.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: And like backing up when you're just like, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: you care about somebody and you're you.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, because anytime that type of situation where you're
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: dealing with somebody that's using or abusing, it's like you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: want to help them. But usually with people that are
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: abusing something, when you go in approach them with that situation,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it's usually met with resistance and it ends up and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it killed the messenger type of situation.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you go around and speak a lot?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. And you know, the the idea is
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: that it's it's just street drugs. It's not just street drugs.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: You know, there's there's some prescription drugs that's that's out here.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, prescription drugs are a whole another ballgame, like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: they're i mean playing. Obviously, you get in there, they
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: give you a couple of pills, right, Hey, this is
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: gonna make it feel ahole better. You take it and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I get it. I understand why people
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: get addicted to these things and their lives easily end
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: up getting ruined because it is I mean, it's a deal.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a deal.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: It's awesome that you're going to do that too.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Like you were obviously pivotal and influence on the field
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: first bout Hall of Famer, and so you have influence
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: beyond that, And it's really cool to hear that you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: go around and speak and and try to you know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: advise and mentor and speak to kids because you're you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: you're Marshall fuk bro, you are Marshall fulk.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Got to use the platform for you know, others, just
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: other than just making money. Yeah, yeah, you gotta make
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: a difference to in this world, no question.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Last one, hang on, hang on, right before he goes
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer, What was it like that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: knock on your door? However it happened? Were you expecting
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: or in your head or you like, I am a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer. So let's see how this
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: shakes up.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell you the story, all right, It's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: just a true story. But this was before the knock.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: This is like you gathered with your with your family
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and friends. They announced it, they brought you to the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: super Bowl and then you would you would go meet
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: somewhere and they would do like a press conference wherever
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: that wherever that was for the people that was that
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  Speaker 2: decided to come.
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  Speaker 4: And I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I was so sure, Like I was like, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way that I'm not getting in, no way, you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I kept thinking. And my my agent did
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  Speaker 2: a deal with Anheuser Bush being out. It was in
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  Speaker 2: Saint Louis at the time, the headquarters and at the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: butt Light Hotel when the butt Light when when when
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Bud used to be when an Bush was the when
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: but was the beer, but Light was the beer. At
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: the NFL, they had a hotel like the bottom floor.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we packed it with two three hundred people
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  Speaker 2: that's there, you know, and we're watching and I'm and
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  Speaker 2: I'm standing and as they come on and they getting
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: ready to call the names the first time ever, I thought,
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  Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name? I'm standing there, like,
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  Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name?
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  Speaker 4: Like we just got all these people here at the
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  Speaker 4: boy here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and when I think back, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that's like somebody saying no running away at the altar.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: what if they don't call my name?
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  Speaker 1: You start living tactically like at all the exits, like
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  Speaker 1: where's the easiest way out of here if they don't
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  Speaker 1: call my name? Try to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then man, like three names in they said
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  Speaker 2: my name.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, Yeah, I got in
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  Speaker 4: your head too much, oh man.
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  Speaker 2: And from there, from there, literally they wherever you're at
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: because you tell you got to tell them where you're
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: gonna be. Car pulled up, takes me to the place,
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  Speaker 2: take me to the place where they're doing the interview,
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  Speaker 2: and on the ride, like your football life is literally
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: playing in your head from your literally coach, your high
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: school coach. Things that people taught you, things like how
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: many people had been on this journey with you to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: end up, you know, in this place like like hold
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: on wait, like there's at the time, like there's only
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: two hundred and like sixteen, like two hundred and seventy
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: five of these got and I'm one of them. Like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Man?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Like that that like it starts to dawn on you.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Regardless of how confident you are, you look at it
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  Speaker 2: like damn like that's you know that, that's that's pretty
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  Speaker 2: damn neat.
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  Speaker 4: It's forever, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's it. Like in reality,
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  Speaker 2: that's all we want to do is be remembered, like
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  Speaker 2: right and now to know that, now, to know forever
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  Speaker 2: generations can go identify with me as their relative or
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: you know, like like that's then there's a place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah in Ohio. Man, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good fellow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a man sometimes appreciate you making the time.
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  Speaker 4: Man, this is right on. Thank man. That was awesome. Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: All thanking Anthony.
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  Speaker 4: We have