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014 - Anne Boleyn - The Infamous Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Who Did What Now? The History podcast
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Speaker 1: with me, your devy and toast Kerry Charlewood tea addict
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Speaker 1: the history podcast that is not your history class. If
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Speaker 1: if you like your history to be up with a
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Speaker 1: little bit of personality, and I want to say fun
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Speaker 1: even though most of history is kind of depressing. So
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Speaker 1: when there are funny moments and things that we can
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Speaker 1: talk about a little lighter and be a bit more
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Speaker 1: jovial regarding then I'm going to do it. Because there's
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Speaker 1: only so much trouble and strive one person can take.
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Speaker 1: So it is Women's History Month. I decided to bite
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Speaker 1: the bullet and do something I've wanted to do it
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Speaker 1: a long time, which is cover the six wives of
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Speaker 1: Henry the Eighth. I generally refer to them as the
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Speaker 1: six chutor Queens. I have had people go like, hey,
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Speaker 1: the air queen cans. Yet I see people it's usually
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Speaker 1: men who correct me on stuff like that, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: shut your mouth. Nobody cares about your opinion, and so
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Speaker 1: I am churning out an episode every couple of days
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the month to get all six
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Speaker 1: wives covered. And I said this in the last episode
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Speaker 1: about Catherine of Aragone was that whenever there are podcasts
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Speaker 1: regarding the six Tudor Queens, Katherine of Argon gets her
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Speaker 1: own episode and Berlin gets her own episode, and then
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Speaker 1: the rest of them just kind of get shoved in together.
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Speaker 1: And I don't like that. There is enough information there
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Speaker 1: to fill out a podcast, it just might not be
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Speaker 1: your most prevalent episode. You know, if one person listens
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Speaker 1: to their stories, then I've done something right. And that's
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Speaker 1: what Matt, because I want each of them to have
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Speaker 1: their story told in their own right, because so often
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Speaker 1: they're just side notes in Henry's stories. And you know
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Speaker 1: what I can say to that, Fuck that for a
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Speaker 1: game as allus. Also, yes, we are now on to
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Speaker 1: the second Queen. We're going to do them in chronological order,
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Speaker 1: because that's the only fair way I can think of
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Speaker 1: doing it. I know what you're thinking, quit your jibber
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Speaker 1: jab a woman in fact me, well, I will, But
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Speaker 1: first of all, we have to get our sources out there.
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Speaker 1: Don't we. I have to talk about this because this
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Speaker 1: has to be one of my favorite books regarding Anne
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Speaker 1: Bolin that I've ever read. It's called The Creation of
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Speaker 1: Anne Berlin by Susan Bordo, and it takes care to
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Speaker 1: consider the bias on both sides of the board, and
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Speaker 1: taken to consideration factual information from history along with first
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Speaker 1: hand accounts which obviously have inherent bias in them, and
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Speaker 1: prejudice and things like that, and it is absolutely fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I cannot recommend this book enough. Another another one I
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Speaker 1: read wait, which is Hailey Nolan's Anne Boleyn Five hundred
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Speaker 1: Years of Lies. The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn
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Speaker 1: Family Politics at the Court of Henry the Eighth by
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Speaker 1: Ritha Warnick. Theanne Berlin Files dot Com That has to
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Speaker 1: be one of my favorites. Actually Six Wives by doctor
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Speaker 1: David Starkey The Life and Death of Anne Berlin by
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Speaker 1: Eric Ives. Before we start and get into the history
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Speaker 1: of Anne Bolin, there's a few things that I feel
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Speaker 1: that we should resolve to begin with. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Anne Bolin was not a witch. She did not have
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Speaker 1: six fingers, and she did not introduce the blowjob to
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Speaker 1: England and now we may start our show. So Anne Boleyn,
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Speaker 1: where did it start? Well, it started with her birth,
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Speaker 1: and there's some sort of confusion because again ladies from
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Speaker 1: the past, sometimes we don't have accurate information regarding them,
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Speaker 1: regardless of how well known they are, and also because
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Speaker 1: you know their husbands who have them executed tried to
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Speaker 1: remove all knowledge of them from existence. But anyway, Anne
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Speaker 1: Bolin was born in somewhere between fifteen oh one and
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Speaker 1: fifteen oh seven, but it's more likely to be closer
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Speaker 1: to fifteen oh one. Her sister Mary is definitely older,
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Speaker 1: and George was born or around fifteen oh four, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: depending on how old Anne was. I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: he was older or younger. Anne is the daughter of
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Speaker 1: Lady Elizabeth Howard and Thomas Bolin, the Earl of Wiltshire
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Speaker 1: and the Earl of Ormond, and she is born in
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Speaker 1: Norfolk at the Bolin home in Blicklyn, but they do
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Speaker 1: end up growing up in the Heaber Castle heather Castle,
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Speaker 1: one of those in Kent. Thomas Bolin is doing pretty
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Speaker 1: well because Henry the seventh of England, her technically future
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Speaker 1: father in law, quite likes Thomas. He thinks he's pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: He's a favorite. He's often sending him in diplomatic missions
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Speaker 1: abroad because Thomas is good with languages and he's a
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Speaker 1: pretty good diplomat. So by the time Anne's borne, her
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Speaker 1: family are pretty well respected in the whole English aristocracy thing.
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Speaker 1: So An's education is very, very typical for like a
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Speaker 1: girl of her class. She studied maths or you know, arithmetic, genealogy, grammar, history, spelling,
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Speaker 1: writing and reading and you know, so that's the academic stuff.
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Speaker 1: But she also learned stuff like dancing, embroidery, good manners,
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Speaker 1: household management, singing, music, and needlework like a lady of
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Speaker 1: the house is supposed to. And here we go. She
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Speaker 1: learns to play games like chess and cards, and then
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Speaker 1: she also gets top outdoor pursuits like archery, falconry, horseback riding,
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Speaker 1: and hunting. Anne was a natural charmer, so in fifteen thirteen,
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Speaker 1: she's traveling with her father in the Netherlands. So she
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Speaker 1: ends up in the schoolroom of Margaret of Austria. So
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Speaker 1: Margaret's nephew, Charles, is the regent of the Netherlands. However,
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Speaker 1: Margaret is ruling it on his behalf because he's so young.
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Speaker 1: So she meets Anne and she makes such a good
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Speaker 1: impression honor that she's like great super she's come a woman.
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Speaker 1: Margaret likes her so much she refers to her as
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Speaker 1: Lapity Bonat. So Anne is a maid of honor to
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Speaker 1: the Regent Margaret of Austria in Habsburg court, and then
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Speaker 1: Thomas Bolan and his father he basically arranges for Anne
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Speaker 1: to become this, to become a made of honor for
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Speaker 1: Mary Tutor King Henry the eighth sister when she marries
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Speaker 1: King Louy the twelfth. So she ends up serving Mary
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Speaker 1: until King Louis dies and then she enters the household
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Speaker 1: of Queen Claude. Claude of France is the daughter of
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Speaker 1: Loui the twelfth and she marries Francis the First and
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Speaker 1: he becomes King of France. So while she's in the
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Speaker 1: French court, King Frances's sister, Marguerite de Navarre, is this
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Speaker 1: intelligent women, and so the court is filled with humanists
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Speaker 1: and reformers and open thinking, and it is and it
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Speaker 1: was basically a hub for the intellectuals of the day,
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Speaker 1: and Anne was surrounded by that. So on top of this,
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Speaker 1: she served Queen Claude. So Queen Claude was incredibly pious,
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Speaker 1: and Marguerite was pious in her own way as well.
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Speaker 1: But it came from the concept of your faith is
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Speaker 1: your own, and the faith is personal and not and
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to rely on the church in
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Speaker 1: order to have faith. So while she's in France, am
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Speaker 1: Boleyn is really into French culture, dance, etiquette, music, poetry, literature.
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Speaker 1: She she you know, she speaks French. She has these
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Speaker 1: interests in fashion and art and religious philosophy and illuminated manuscripts.
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Speaker 1: And she also learned about the game of courtly love.
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Speaker 1: In courtly love, it's basically being flirtatious. It's like being
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Speaker 1: on the precipice of flirting. You are alluring and with
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Speaker 1: just flirting enough without damaging one's reputation or character. And
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Speaker 1: it was just the way everybody was. Margaret de Navarre,
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Speaker 1: she fills the French court with the great thinkers, the
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Speaker 1: intellectuals of the day. It is a bustling center of
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Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts and new ways of being. And Anne
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Speaker 1: is surrounded by this. She's also serving two incredibly pious women.
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Speaker 1: She's serving Marguerite and she's serving Queen Claude. Both of
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Speaker 1: these are incredibly religious women in their own ways. Granted,
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Speaker 1: Claude was very much Catholic. Marguerite was more favorable to
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Speaker 1: the evangelical way because she even wrote reformist papers. So
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Speaker 1: this is a hot of intellectual discussion and debate. So
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Speaker 1: like afterwards, you know, the concept of and being this
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Speaker 1: whore effectively is perpetuated in part because of King Francis
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Speaker 1: the first, because King France is the first. Now that
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Speaker 1: there is somebody who shagged a lot, he was blinking
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Speaker 1: everything he could. Frankly, that man could not keep his
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Speaker 1: dick in his pantalone, which is he's very much a
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Speaker 1: contrast to Queen Claude, who was just so straightforward in
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Speaker 1: her religious views. So Anne stays in the French court
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Speaker 1: for about seven years and then she gets someoned back
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Speaker 1: to England because Cardinal Wolsey he's arranging this marriage between
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Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn and James Butler because there's this land dispute
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Speaker 1: over in Ireland and this title of earl, and if
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Speaker 1: Anne were to marry James, it basically settles this entire dispute,
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Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, falls through. But everybody's totally cool anyway,
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Speaker 1: And that was fifteen twenty one, and in fifteen twenty
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Speaker 1: two there's this pageant and English Court pagant on Shrove Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: and she plays the part of Perseverance. Now, the legend
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Speaker 1: goes that that's where the first that's the first time
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Speaker 1: that Henry the eighth noticed her, But there's no like
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Speaker 1: actual evidence that he really paid attention to her. There
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Anne is noticed because she you know,
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Speaker 1: she's such a great dancer, she's so witty, she's so charming,
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Speaker 1: she is effervescent. So when Anne does make her debut
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Speaker 1: in the British Court, apart from the fact that she
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Speaker 1: is so different to what the typical English role should be,
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Speaker 1: her hair is chestnut, not black like is often described.
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Speaker 1: She has chestnut hair, dark eyes, sallow skin. She has
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Speaker 1: some molds, which is where they were like she's a monster,
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Speaker 1: that's where that came from. But she is funny, like,
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Speaker 1: she's funny as fuck like, and she had a really
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Speaker 1: dry sense of humor as well. And I also think
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Speaker 1: as well she used humor as a trauma response. But
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Speaker 1: when she's introduced to the English Court, she is more
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Speaker 1: French than the French because she spent her formative years there.
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Speaker 1: So you have this open minded, reformist, evangelical Ane Berlin
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Speaker 1: plays the game who's wise, who's fiery? And witty? Like
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Speaker 1: that's what everyone likes about her. It's the fact that
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Speaker 1: she's funny. When you think of the courtiers, if they're
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Speaker 1: in your company for a long time, there's only so
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Speaker 1: much a pretty face is going to do before they're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: well eh, you know what I mean. And in fifteen
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Speaker 1: twenty two, she also becomes a lady in waiting for
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Speaker 1: Catherine of Argon, and so Henry Percy and Thomas Wyre
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Speaker 1: are people in court, and she does the court the
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Speaker 1: game of love and they flirt and people at like
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Speaker 1: something more happened, but it didn't. It was just playing
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Speaker 1: the game at court. In fifteen twenty four, Henry the
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Speaker 1: eight just straight up stops sleeping with Katherine of Argon,
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Speaker 1: like there he's like. In fifteen twenty six, and sometime
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Speaker 1: between fifteen twenty four and fifteen twenty six, Henry the
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Speaker 1: Eighth is shagging Mary Bolin or Mary Carey. Sheares at
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Speaker 1: that point and sister and like the rumor goes that
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Speaker 1: she gave birth to of his children. But it's unlikely
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Speaker 1: because he would have bestowed you know, more stuff in
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Speaker 1: them if they were his, because because like one of
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Speaker 1: the boy he did like his boys. So at some
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Speaker 1: point in fifteen twenty six, Henry is like no longer
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Speaker 1: interested in Mary, and he's got his eyes set on Ann.
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Speaker 1: So the courtly game of love he would exchange letters
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Speaker 1: and gifts and everything else. And at some point, as
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Speaker 1: Catherine's lady in waiting, she catches the eye of Henry,
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Speaker 1: which wouldn't be difficult because Henry is used to these strong,
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Speaker 1: intelligent women, But when it came to Catherine, apart from
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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, the whole sun issue, and
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Speaker 1: becomes incredibly appealing because because of her lively qualities. So
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Speaker 1: at one point, these advances and this attention from the
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Speaker 1: king are just a bit much, and she's like, fuck,
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Speaker 1: this were game of soldiers and she just leaves court.
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Speaker 1: She's like okay, you know what, no, like she already
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Speaker 1: knew that he was leaving mother sister, Like how could
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Speaker 1: she not, and she was like, yeah, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to do that. She had her own conscious to contend with,
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Speaker 1: even her own father. Let's get you out of there,
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Speaker 1: because he wanted his daughter to maintain her reputation. He
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Speaker 1: didn't want her to become, you know, the King's fling.
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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you need to get away from that
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Speaker 1: guy who's eleven years older than you and it's making advances. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: even if it is the king, let's get you out
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Speaker 1: of there. And eventually, after many letters and gifts, like
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Speaker 1: he hunts a stag and then sends her the stag
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Speaker 1: so that she may feast upon it so when she
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Speaker 1: eats it she thinks of him. He sends her jewelry
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Speaker 1: and all this kind of other stuff. And initially he's like,
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Speaker 1: I want you to be my matlas antrette, which is
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Speaker 1: a French term for the official mistress of the king,
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Speaker 1: and you get like power and acumen and all this
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But Anne is deeply religious. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to do anything that goes against her own beliefs.
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Speaker 1: And then was like, come on, that's the fucking taste
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Speaker 1: right there, Bud, you can be my one true mistress.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be perfect. And he was already trying to
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Speaker 1: like know Catherine at this point anyway, because he wanted
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Speaker 1: an heir. He was like, it couldn't be my fault, Like,
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Speaker 1: could you imagine someone go back and down and being
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Speaker 1: to Henry Like, yeah, the reason you keep having girls
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Speaker 1: is generally your fault. But anyway, So one thing that
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Speaker 1: we don't really talk about is Henry. He was raised
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Speaker 1: on this concept of this Eartherian legend of chivalry and
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Speaker 1: love and romance. He's really really into this sh He
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Speaker 1: is Arthur. She is guinevere, you know, and so Ambulance
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Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily beautiful for the time. She was not the stunning,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous woman, this sexy strumpet that everyone always portrays her
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Speaker 1: to be. She is smart, and she is funny, and
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Speaker 1: she is witty and she is dry, and these are
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Speaker 1: all things that make her very interesting. So Henry is
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Speaker 1: chasing Anne. He's still married to Catherine. So after he
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Speaker 1: offers her the Middlescent one true mistress, that all thing.
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Speaker 1: After he offers that, he brings forth the concept of
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Speaker 1: a nulling his marriage to Catherine, and initially and sense
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Speaker 1: of jury is very much and she gets really angry
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Speaker 1: and upset about the concept of ousting her queen, like
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Speaker 1: it's a big deal. This whole time, Henry's writing letters,
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Speaker 1: he is sending her gifts Jill's books, furniture, the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: So at some point over the next year, between letters
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Speaker 1: and everything else that he's doing, he effectively proposes marriage
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Speaker 1: to her and she accepts. Wherever her motivations were, we
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Speaker 1: don't know, but that's how it was. Henry the absolute
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Speaker 1: fuck boy, was already planning to chuck Catherine. We know this.
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Speaker 1: This was kind of his deal. And Henry's attraction to Anne,
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, let's say it is it. Sexual attraction
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Speaker 1: is in there somewhere. But they had compatible interests. There
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Speaker 1: was intellectual stimulation, a shared political purpose. She believed in
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Speaker 1: reformation because she felt the Catholic Church was taking and
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Speaker 1: taking and was self serving instead of serving the people.
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Speaker 1: And Henry wanted a reformation because the Church was going
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Speaker 1: against what he felt was God's divine right, which was
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Speaker 1: his right because he had to be the big boss
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Speaker 1: of everything. So Anne loved liberal discussion and debate. She
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Speaker 1: had this library that was full of Bibles and evangelical
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Speaker 1: tracts and all this stuff that was translated into French
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Speaker 1: by members of Marguerite Navar's reformist circle. Catherine was obedient,
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Speaker 1: she was she had queenly obedience and was lively, she
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Speaker 1: wanted discussion, a much more fun and funny companion, and
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Speaker 1: because she was so different to the ladies of the
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Speaker 1: English court, she would be somewhat exotic for Henry. So
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Speaker 1: Henry had no sons with Catherine. They had Mary, but
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Speaker 1: he was like, fuck this, that's not enough. In last
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Speaker 1: week's episode, you mentioned how Pope Julie's second granted a
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Speaker 1: dispensation for for Henry to marry Catherine because she was
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Speaker 1: his brother's widow and it's the whole thing in the
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Speaker 1: Bible blah blah blah blah. You know, he tries to
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Speaker 1: get her to leave the marriage. She's like no, and
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Speaker 1: he's like, well, fuck you. Then, because people think he
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Speaker 1: wanted a divorce, he wanted an annullment. He wants to
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Speaker 1: make sure that this just shuts down. So in fifteen
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Speaker 1: twenty seven he starts the initial movement to get this
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Speaker 1: annulment carried off. So, yeah, fifteen twenty seven, William Knight,
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Speaker 1: he sent Pope Clement the seventh to try and get
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Speaker 1: this annulment going. Because he's a new pope. They're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's see what that's going on. Unfortunately, Catherine's nephew Charles
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Speaker 1: the Fith is the Holy Roman Emperor and he's currently
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Speaker 1: olding Clement hostage, so that's not going to work out.
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Speaker 1: And so the start of the great matter happens. So
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Speaker 1: like and like we said before, marriages of royalty had
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Speaker 1: been dissolved before. But Catherine being Catherine and believing that
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Speaker 1: she had and believed that it was God's will for
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Speaker 1: her to be Queen of England, she was not going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: And also she didn't want her daughter to be a
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Speaker 1: bastard because that puts her life in danger. And and Henry,
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Speaker 1: they're continuing this affair, this emotional affair, shall we say.
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Speaker 1: So this is all going on in the background, And
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Speaker 1: in fifteen twenty eight, the sweating sickness, the very thing
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Speaker 1: that killed Prince Arthur, it is back, and in London
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Speaker 1: the mortality rate is skyrocketing. Henry straight up fucks off.
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Speaker 1: He's constantly moving around, changes his residents because he doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to get sick. But ant Balin she manages to
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Speaker 1: get the sweating sickness. So she is back in at
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Speaker 1: Haber Castle. She's back with the breast of the balloons,
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Speaker 1: her brother in law, William Carey. He gets the fucking
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Speaker 1: sweating sickness and he dies. And when this happens, Henry,
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Speaker 1: being less of a ship bag than he usually is,
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Speaker 1: since his personal physician, to Anne to look after her.
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Speaker 1: So she recovers and in fifteen twenty nine and starts
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Speaker 1: spending more time around the king. She would play along
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Speaker 1: to the fun of court that Henry like to engage in.
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Speaker 1: So by fifteen twenty nine, Wolseley gets arrested, so Anne
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Speaker 1: Woseley the don't go on and basically the concept comes
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Speaker 1: around that Wolsey is loyal to the Pope, not to
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Speaker 1: England and as such its king. Apparently. What happens is
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Speaker 1: Henry and Anne are having a conversation which leads to
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Speaker 1: her saying that Wolsey is, you know, a selfish prick
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Speaker 1: and full of dishonor, and Henry's like, okay, cool, He's off.
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Speaker 1: Then in all likelihood he would have been executed, but
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Speaker 1: then he died from illness in fifteen thirty so Henry
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Speaker 1: and Catherine are kind of are strained at this point,
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Speaker 1: but she's still making his shirts. In fifteen thirty one,
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Speaker 1: Catherine is banished from court, yeah says he's gonna go
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Speaker 1: hunting one day. This doesn't come back, moves his entire
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Speaker 1: court and tells Catherine to fuck off. And Mary the
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Speaker 1: public has such great support for Catherine and having dinner
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Speaker 1: at this manor house in the River Thames, and a
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Speaker 1: bunch of angry women are so mad. They feel like
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Speaker 1: Catherine has been pushed aside and it's all this venomous
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Speaker 1: vixen's fault. So they attempt to fucking get her and
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Speaker 1: grab her and she has to flee like she escapes
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Speaker 1: by boat. So during this time, Anne is getting power.
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Speaker 1: She's able to grant petitions, she gives patronage, she receives diplomats,
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Speaker 1: she ensures that there's a decent allegiance with France. She's
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Speaker 1: really I mean, she gets on super well the French ambassador,
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Speaker 1: you know. So she basically becomes Henry's most trusted adviser.
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Speaker 1: And through all this time they're not sleeping together. If
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Speaker 1: you take into consideration Henry's perception. Henry believes that again
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Speaker 1: the divine right of kings, he is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: king by the law of God, by the rule of
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Speaker 1: the Lord, and his queen is supposed to be chested.
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Speaker 1: So during this time, neither one of them is having
21:56
Speaker 1: sex with anybody because they have to be there for
22:01
Speaker 1: each other when the time comes. He has to be
22:04
Speaker 1: chivalrous for his lady. In fifteen thirty two, Thomas Cromwell
22:09
Speaker 1: hits the scene Cromwell, and they're kind of on the
22:13
Speaker 1: same team to begin with, and then everything just goes sour.
22:17
Speaker 1: Cromwell he brings he brings forward the Supplication against the
22:21
Speaker 1: Ordinaries and the submission of the Clergy Acts. These recognize
22:26
Speaker 1: royal supremacy over the Church, and he's sort of like, listen,
22:30
Speaker 1: this very instrumental figure and fucking everything over. And he's
22:34
Speaker 1: that friend who organizes the breakup, like he takes control
22:37
Speaker 1: of the breakup. He's like, okay, done, nor more contact
22:40
Speaker 1: with you, mate. So as far as he's concerned, this
22:43
Speaker 1: means that Henry and Church of England, Bye bye Catholicism,
22:49
Speaker 1: Bye bye Church of England is there and Henry's the
22:52
Speaker 1: head of it because royal supremacy.
22:54
Speaker 2: Fifteen thirty two, Henry grants An the Marcusset of Broke,
23:00
Speaker 2: which is basically basically upgrading her peerage and her titles,
23:05
Speaker 2: which is more appropriate for like a future queen.
23:07
Speaker 1: He's upgrading, right. Henry decides he's going to take Anne
23:11
Speaker 1: go see Francis the first. He's going to do a
23:13
Speaker 1: whole thing because he really wants French support for this marriage,
23:17
Speaker 1: for this union, considering he's just fucked off Spain. So
23:21
Speaker 1: they hold this thing in Cali, so it's like November
23:24
Speaker 1: and Kelly and and the king. Sister Marguerite is invited,
23:28
Speaker 1: but she doesn't show up because as far as she's concerned,
23:31
Speaker 1: Anne is still the mistress of Henry, so she's not
23:34
Speaker 1: going to show up to it because she's like, this
23:36
Speaker 1: is adult, really, this isn't cool. I'm not here for this.
23:39
Speaker 1: So the French government they give this implicit support. So
23:42
Speaker 1: basically it's kind of like a political triumph for Henry. Right,
23:46
Speaker 1: he's got France on his side, and him and Francis,
23:48
Speaker 1: they've got this good rivalry going on, but it's totally fine.
23:51
Speaker 1: It's like the French King and the French King. He's
23:53
Speaker 1: also Catholic, so he's still kind of like friends of
23:57
Speaker 1: the Pope, even though the French government's like, yeah, it's
24:00
Speaker 1: like oil remar, We're totally cool with that stuff. So
24:03
Speaker 1: during this conference, Francis and Anne end up like are
24:08
Speaker 1: shooting the ship, having a chat and stuff. Nobody knows
24:10
Speaker 1: they were chatting about, but they did. This seems to
24:12
Speaker 1: be going well, so Henry and and they bugger off
24:14
Speaker 1: back to England. So when they're in Dover, Henry and
24:18
Speaker 1: Ann have this secret marriage ceremony on the fourteenth of November.
24:23
Speaker 1: It may not have been official in any capacity, but
24:26
Speaker 1: seeing as Henry was now the head of the church,
24:29
Speaker 1: and thenother year he had openly brought Anne forth as
24:33
Speaker 1: his betrothed, and that is when they start sleeping together.
24:37
Speaker 1: So whether or not the marriage was a thing, we
24:40
Speaker 1: do know that that's the first time they had sex.
24:42
Speaker 1: And she becomes pregnant like pretty soon after this, And
24:46
Speaker 1: on the twenty fifth of January fifteen thirty three, a and
24:49
Speaker 1: Henry have a private wedding ceremony. So by mid May
24:54
Speaker 1: the official thing comes out about Henry and Catherine, that
24:57
Speaker 1: their marriage is not on void, and then five days
25:00
Speaker 1: later it's declared that the marriage of Henry and Anne
25:05
Speaker 1: is fucking valid. So then four days after that, on
25:09
Speaker 1: the first of June, And gets crowned Queen Consort in
25:14
Speaker 1: this giant ceremony, in this huge, fantastic, magnificent ceremony at
25:20
Speaker 1: Westminster Abbey to prove to and how important she was,
25:25
Speaker 1: and to prove to the world how important she was,
25:28
Speaker 1: or at least England. He had and crowned with Saint
25:33
Speaker 1: Edward's crown, and this was generally only used to crown
25:36
Speaker 1: like monarchs, And it was to show that this was
25:38
Speaker 1: legit because Anne was like very obviously pregnant at this
25:41
Speaker 1: point and everyone thought it was going to be a boy.
25:44
Speaker 1: This was done to sort of solidify that this was,
25:46
Speaker 1: you know, the right way to go, the righteous path,
25:49
Speaker 1: like even before her coronation and after, and spends a
25:52
Speaker 1: lot of time protecting and promoting evangelicals to ensure that
25:55
Speaker 1: they're safe. On the seventh of September fifteen thirty three,
25:59
Speaker 1: and gives birth to Elizabeth, as you know, ends up
26:02
Speaker 1: being queen. We don't know whether Elizabeth was named after
26:05
Speaker 1: Anne's mother or Henry's mother, because they were both Elizabeth.
26:08
Speaker 1: Maybe they were like both is fine, both is good.
26:11
Speaker 1: E Roone was so convinced that they were going to
26:13
Speaker 1: have a boy that they had to quickly add an
26:15
Speaker 1: s onto the end of all the stuff that had
26:18
Speaker 1: been ready to go, because they were like princes, and
26:21
Speaker 1: they're like princess and they was supposed to be like
26:23
Speaker 1: this jousting tournament, which happens when there's a both of
26:26
Speaker 1: an air, like it gets canceled. Everyone is shut down.
26:28
Speaker 1: They're like they're both disappointed because they were hoping for
26:32
Speaker 1: a boy. Initially, Anne wanted to breastfeed Elizabeth, but Henry
26:38
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck. No, They didn't want anything
26:40
Speaker 1: to be a barrier of them being able to get
26:42
Speaker 1: her pregnant again. And Queen's were not supposed to nurse
26:46
Speaker 1: their own children. They went nurses succested for that. And
26:48
Speaker 1: when she had Elizabeth, Elizabeth ends up in her own
26:52
Speaker 1: estate and everything. Anna has her moved closer because she
26:55
Speaker 1: wants to be closer to her daughter. That's what she wants.
26:59
Speaker 1: During this time, Henry is so fucking vile to his
27:03
Speaker 1: daughter Mary. Anne's issue with Mary is more like she's
27:05
Speaker 1: worried about Elizabeth. And then Henry, lest we forget, trusted
27:09
Speaker 1: Catherine to be a regent to rule when he was
27:13
Speaker 1: out Galavanton in France, like he had no problem before
27:17
Speaker 1: marriage having Anne be his advisor, and Anne was involved
27:21
Speaker 1: and she was his partner in crime. And as this
27:23
Speaker 1: went on, as Henry got older, he was less open
27:27
Speaker 1: to the shall we say, political participation of his wives.
27:32
Speaker 1: He didn't want that. But at the time when they
27:35
Speaker 1: were together, initially before they started having sex, before they
27:39
Speaker 1: became husband and wife, they were very much a partnership,
27:43
Speaker 1: which is a rarity, to be honest. In fifteen thirty four,
27:47
Speaker 1: she has a miscarriage or stillbirth. We're not entirely sure
27:51
Speaker 1: of Henry is doing what he does. So Henry basically
27:53
Speaker 1: takes mistresses when Anne is pregnant. So he was doing that,
27:56
Speaker 1: and in general she was fine with it. So Henry'
27:59
Speaker 1: chatting to like his most trusted advisers and he's like,
28:01
Speaker 1: wonder if there's a way to get out of this
28:02
Speaker 1: marriage without having to return to like my ex wife.
28:05
Speaker 1: Not really comes of it, and they end up being
28:07
Speaker 1: fine again, and she's pregnant again by October and the
28:11
Speaker 1: eighth of January fifteen thirty six, Catherin of Aragon's death
28:15
Speaker 1: reaches the King and Queen and Henry decides to walk
28:19
Speaker 1: around Pedito right yellow. Now, it could be that this
28:23
Speaker 1: was an attempt to show mourning to Spain, because yellow
28:26
Speaker 1: is a morning color in Spain. Wheleist it was at
28:29
Speaker 1: the time, or it could have been a ding dongle,
28:31
Speaker 1: which is dead kind of scenario. We're not entirely sure.
28:34
Speaker 1: All we know is that is that Anne didn't do that.
28:37
Speaker 1: This rumor goes around that Anne is responsible for poisoning Catherine,
28:41
Speaker 1: and Anne tries to reconcile with Mary. Mary, sure, you know,
28:45
Speaker 1: she's trying to make peace. She's trying to bridge a
28:47
Speaker 1: gap a little bit and trying to be less of
28:49
Speaker 1: a prick. But Mary's like, fuck you, no, you're the
28:54
Speaker 1: bit who made me a bastard, So no, thank you
28:57
Speaker 1: very much. Anne is already stressed them because she's pregnant again.
29:02
Speaker 1: She's worried that if she doesn't have give birth to
29:04
Speaker 1: a boy because Catherine's dead. So there's nothing to stop
29:07
Speaker 1: Henry doing what he wants at this point. So while
29:10
Speaker 1: Anne is pregnant and Anna was never really that focused
29:14
Speaker 1: on any of the mistresses he had before this, but
29:17
Speaker 1: when he starts seeing the Catholic Jane Seymour, that's when
29:22
Speaker 1: the shit hits the fan. So he gives Jane this
29:25
Speaker 1: locket with like this miniature like portrait of himself inside,
29:27
Speaker 1: and Jane keeps opening and closing this portrait in front
29:31
Speaker 1: of Anne, and Anne gets so fucking mad because one
29:34
Speaker 1: this Catholic bitch is fucking things up in front of her,
29:38
Speaker 1: and two she's very aware of how she got her start,
29:41
Speaker 1: so she rips the lockett with such force she grabs
29:45
Speaker 1: it that she actually makes her fingers bleed, and so like.
29:48
Speaker 1: Later on in that month, there's a jousting tournament. Henry
29:52
Speaker 1: is knocked off the horse and is unconscious for like
29:55
Speaker 1: two hours, and Anne freaks out the stress of the
29:57
Speaker 1: situation they believe caused her to miscarry. Henry gets in
30:01
Speaker 1: this jousting accident, and some people think this is where
30:04
Speaker 1: like the severe tyranny in mood Swings and Shit started.
30:08
Speaker 1: But he was always kind of a dick. So as
30:11
Speaker 1: Anne is recovering from her miscarriage, Henry tells people that
30:15
Speaker 1: he is he was seduced into this marriage by deception,
30:19
Speaker 1: and Jane Seymour is moved into it. We moved into
30:22
Speaker 1: the royal quarters, much like Anne did when when he
30:26
Speaker 1: was getting rid of Catherine. Anne was always one to
30:28
Speaker 1: speak her mind. She actually says that Henry is not
30:32
Speaker 1: a skilled lover. For all of their wooing and the
30:35
Speaker 1: courtly game of love, when it came to actual like
30:38
Speaker 1: fun time, downtown party time. He was kind of lackluster
30:41
Speaker 1: for her. He wasn't very skilled. Henry is starting to
30:44
Speaker 1: have impotence issues. I'm telling you, I'm convinced Henry was
30:48
Speaker 1: a wambab thank you man. He was like, dn't dun't
30:50
Speaker 1: dun't dun't thank you. Henry's a megalomaniac. He has to
30:54
Speaker 1: be the big I am. And as he's getting older,
30:57
Speaker 1: he's losing his youth and he's losing his power and
31:00
Speaker 1: he's losing his strength. He needs everyone to agree with him.
31:03
Speaker 1: He needs everyone to see him as the fucking man.
31:07
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, even if she didn't say it, the
31:09
Speaker 1: fact that he's having issues physically, that's gonna make him
31:14
Speaker 1: feel less of a man. That's already gonna like be
31:16
Speaker 1: preying on his mind and making him feelly that he
31:19
Speaker 1: has to overcompensate. Clearly, he's not an unskilled lover. Clearly
31:24
Speaker 1: she is doing something she shouldn't do. So Cromwell fucking
31:28
Speaker 1: hates And the reason that Anne had such an issue
31:32
Speaker 1: with Cromwell was when Henry was sacking the monasteries. She
31:35
Speaker 1: was mad that the money was being fed into personal
31:39
Speaker 1: pockets instead of towards the people of the country, and
31:43
Speaker 1: Anne had gotten to a point where perhaps gotten to
31:46
Speaker 1: a point where she felt her opinion was especially as
31:49
Speaker 1: queen would certainly be above someone like Cromwell, and he
31:54
Speaker 1: basically convinces Henry that Anne Boleyn as an adulterer and
31:59
Speaker 1: a bitch and a bunch of other shit. During this time,
32:03
Speaker 1: Henry is acting like super cool with Anne as far
32:06
Speaker 1: as she knows, they're going to be heading to France
32:08
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. So Henry, he's flitting between
32:11
Speaker 1: you must bow down and state that she is the
32:13
Speaker 1: true queen to thinking of ways to get rid of her,
32:17
Speaker 1: like he's jumping between the two. But it's something he's
32:20
Speaker 1: always done. When he first came into power, the first
32:23
Speaker 1: thing he did was get rid of a bunch of
32:25
Speaker 1: his father's advisors. Straight up, off they went. When it
32:29
Speaker 1: came to Catherine, like, he just up and left one day,
32:32
Speaker 1: I'm going on a hunting trip, bye bye. And with Anne,
32:35
Speaker 1: he told her that they were going to be going
32:37
Speaker 1: to Cali. They were supposed to be going to France
32:39
Speaker 1: again like a couple of days later. Pay So basically
32:42
Speaker 1: Cromwell gets a couple of arrested and a couple of guys.
32:45
Speaker 1: They end up being tortured until they confess to an
32:49
Speaker 1: affair with the queen. And you're remember thinking why adultery.
32:52
Speaker 1: British a lot of the time stated that a queen
32:54
Speaker 1: could only be tried for treason if she had committed
32:58
Speaker 1: adultery because basically change the line of succession. Hence why
33:02
Speaker 1: Cromwell's like, okay, this is perfect. I have to get
33:05
Speaker 1: her charged for adulter ate. And because Anne is close
33:08
Speaker 1: with her family, he's like, yeah, brother did it too.
33:10
Speaker 1: So it's the May Day celebration of blahlah blah, and
33:12
Speaker 1: Anna is sitting next to the king. Person comes up
33:15
Speaker 1: whispers in his ear. The King gets up, he leaves,
33:18
Speaker 1: and Anne never sees him again after that. On the
33:21
Speaker 1: second of May fifteen thirty six, Anne's arrested and she
33:24
Speaker 1: gets taken to the Tower of London. Well, she's being
33:27
Speaker 1: held in the Tower of London. She's cracking jokes because
33:30
Speaker 1: again trauma responds and the ladies in waiting that she's
33:33
Speaker 1: gotten there are effectively spies for Cromwell. I don't know
33:36
Speaker 1: why I'm here, And the word gets back that it's
33:38
Speaker 1: because you know, adulterate and She's like, wait, what, and
33:41
Speaker 1: she starts naming the people that she's spoken to that day.
33:45
Speaker 1: So she mentions Norris. Norris was supposed to be courting
33:48
Speaker 1: one of her ladies in waiting. He was being a
33:50
Speaker 1: bit of a dick about it and being a bit
33:51
Speaker 1: flirty with Anne, and she was like a may. Now
33:53
Speaker 1: she names them and she's like, well, these are the
33:55
Speaker 1: people I spoke to that day. You know they'll be
33:57
Speaker 1: able to justify and state that nothing on to what's happening.
34:00
Speaker 1: A bound of people are arrested, accused of having an
34:02
Speaker 1: affair with Anne, including her own brother George. So anyway,
34:05
Speaker 1: she ends up writing a letter to Henry being like, may,
34:08
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, and also, please pardon these men
34:11
Speaker 1: because they didn't do anything either, because all of us
34:12
Speaker 1: are innocent. PS. I love you kind of thing. I
34:15
Speaker 1: trust in your good nature, and I trust in your
34:18
Speaker 1: sense of self and blah bla blah blah blah, and
34:20
Speaker 1: you're such a good guy. I bit, you're awesome. So
34:23
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that Henry was so
34:24
Speaker 1: willing to accept this information regarding Anne is because one
34:28
Speaker 1: he wanted rid of her. Two he felt like the subservient.
34:31
Speaker 1: Jane Seymour was exactly what he needed in the Queen.
34:34
Speaker 1: He wanted someone to dominate instead of being an equal.
34:38
Speaker 1: He needed everybody to bend to his will, and when
34:41
Speaker 1: they do not fold like paper, he tears them apart
34:44
Speaker 1: or he burns them. When she's in the Terror of London,
34:48
Speaker 1: she has such a dry sense of humor and she
34:50
Speaker 1: sort of flits between the concept of hope and despair,
34:54
Speaker 1: Like she goes through these moments where she thinks, no,
34:56
Speaker 1: he's going to turn around and he's going to realize
34:57
Speaker 1: that this isn't right and he's going to come and
34:59
Speaker 1: help me. And then she like, oh wait, no, I'm
35:02
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm screwed. Like she doesn't know if
35:04
Speaker 1: she's going to end up in exile or be executed,
35:07
Speaker 1: and it's very much this gray area for her, and
35:10
Speaker 1: she's worried ends up in this bullshit trial and everyone
35:14
Speaker 1: says like, fuck it, you're guilty whatever, and says adulterate
35:17
Speaker 1: the whole fucking lot, all of its Normally it's just
35:20
Speaker 1: like some did of an axe who does the executions.
35:22
Speaker 1: But an expert swordman from France is coming for Anne.
35:26
Speaker 1: Why a swordsman instead of the general executioner. On one hand,
35:31
Speaker 1: it could be I want somebody who knows what we're
35:33
Speaker 1: doing and I'm gonna make this nice and quick, or
35:36
Speaker 1: it's throwing in her face because of how French she
35:40
Speaker 1: was and how much she loved France, that she was
35:42
Speaker 1: going to die French. And then all these delays keep
35:45
Speaker 1: happening with the Swordsman, so like she thinks she's going
35:48
Speaker 1: to be there and then she's not. She's going to
35:50
Speaker 1: be the Davids. Then it's not again like was this
35:53
Speaker 1: a way of freaking her out or was this just
35:55
Speaker 1: fucking crazy random happenstance, And she just gets to the
35:59
Speaker 1: point where she just wants her suffering to be over,
36:01
Speaker 1: and it's perceived then as her being like really happy
36:04
Speaker 1: to die, and that's not the case. So on the
36:07
Speaker 1: seventeenth of May, the marriage of Henry and Anne is
36:11
Speaker 1: declared null and void, boom gone. And on the nineteenth
36:14
Speaker 1: of May, Anne is getting ready for her execution. She
36:18
Speaker 1: takes her holy sacraments. The only thing that she says
36:21
Speaker 1: when she's doing her holy sacrament is she does wish
36:24
Speaker 1: that she was better to Lady Mary, And that was
36:26
Speaker 1: the only thing that she felt regret for which is understandable.
36:30
Speaker 1: She is very aware that the same fate or worse
36:33
Speaker 1: could happen to Elizabeth. She saw Henry's cruelty first hand
36:37
Speaker 1: towards his daughter. He saw how dismissive he was, how
36:40
Speaker 1: cruel he was, and she didn't want that for Elizabeth.
36:42
Speaker 1: And the thing is, maybe Anne did feel that, you know,
36:45
Speaker 1: a change in the air, because she put Elizabeth in
36:48
Speaker 1: the care of her friend Parker, a reformist like herself,
36:52
Speaker 1: and she understands too well Henry's volatile behavior, and she
36:56
Speaker 1: does everything she can to appease him. She writes to him.
37:00
Speaker 1: But during the time where she's being tried, Henry's out
37:04
Speaker 1: partying in Galavantin so like the execution date changes, like
37:08
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good crowd there, which Cromwell didn't want.
37:10
Speaker 1: He didn't want people do on the date, and then
37:13
Speaker 1: with the sormon being delayed, people just were there. So
37:16
Speaker 1: she knows she's on the shopping block, and she knows
37:18
Speaker 1: her brother has already been killed, and whom's to say
37:21
Speaker 1: he doesn't go after her sister, or her niece and
37:23
Speaker 1: nephew or her daughter. She has people to protect, she
37:27
Speaker 1: has people to save. And then this speech she basically
37:29
Speaker 1: says that she never committed adulteration. She never did such
37:32
Speaker 1: a thing, and you know, she had nothing to do
37:35
Speaker 1: with these men, and she prayed for their souls, and
37:37
Speaker 1: she prayed for her own soul, and she prayed for
37:39
Speaker 1: the king soul, and she did not want the people
37:42
Speaker 1: to judge him too harshly and to forgive the king
37:46
Speaker 1: for this mistake. And because of the speech, right the
37:48
Speaker 1: ladies in waiting is, even the ones who were thereby
37:51
Speaker 1: Cromwell's doing this solidifies in their mind that she didn't
37:55
Speaker 1: fucking do it. Between this and the sacrament, they're like,
37:58
Speaker 1: what the fuck and they just start sobbing and crying.
38:02
Speaker 1: It's just a big o' mess. Because she's so serene
38:06
Speaker 1: and she's so strong in her convictions, they're like, oh shit.
38:09
Speaker 1: So her death doesn't come with the cheer that one
38:11
Speaker 1: would expect of somebody who committed trees and somebody who
38:15
Speaker 1: was hated by the people, you know, that sort of
38:18
Speaker 1: she's blindfolded. She hets on her knees and she starts
38:21
Speaker 1: to pray, and she's sort of nervous because she knows
38:25
Speaker 1: what's coming, and she's sort of moving around as if
38:27
Speaker 1: she's But what the swordsman does is he basically shouts, boy,
38:32
Speaker 1: give me my sword, so that she turns her head
38:36
Speaker 1: and then he decapitates her in one swoop, nice and clean.
38:42
Speaker 1: And that's the end of Ane Berleyn at least her
38:44
Speaker 1: life anyway, And Henry tried to erase every single part
38:47
Speaker 1: of it. But while she waited her dead sentence, he
38:51
Speaker 1: was in Chelsea living up with Jane Seymour and they
38:53
Speaker 1: were planning their wedding. So he's trying to eradicate Anne.
38:57
Speaker 1: So he's got carpenters, stone maces, seems and seamstresses and
39:02
Speaker 1: there at Hampton Court and they are removing all signs
39:06
Speaker 1: of An's existence, her queen ship there, So they're removing
39:10
Speaker 1: her initials, her emblems, her mottos. There are so many
39:14
Speaker 1: carved h's and a's all over the place there. There
39:16
Speaker 1: were so many they actually didn't get all of them.
39:19
Speaker 1: So inscriptions to Queen Anne get changed to Queen Jane.
39:22
Speaker 1: Some of them are easy, like Anne had a leopard
39:24
Speaker 1: emblem and Jane was a panther, so that was pretty
39:27
Speaker 1: easy to just change over because he had like he
39:30
Speaker 1: had made everything about her because he had done everything
39:33
Speaker 1: to promote the concept that this was a true and
39:36
Speaker 1: valid marriage as opposed to his marriage to Catherine. So
39:38
Speaker 1: he tried to get rid of everything. He tried to
39:40
Speaker 1: perture from his life completely, like destroying portraits, burning letters,
39:44
Speaker 1: although seventeen of this he managed to not get Like
39:47
Speaker 1: he tried to get her erased from the memory of
39:50
Speaker 1: the kingdom and his life. He wanted to start afresh.
39:53
Speaker 1: He wanted to be like, Nope, no, this is the one.
39:56
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Anne lived on, not just the
40:00
Speaker 1: her daughter Elizabeth, who becomes Queen of the Golden Age.
40:03
Speaker 1: She lives on through Because he tried so hard to
40:07
Speaker 1: erase her, she became all the more interesting to people.
40:10
Speaker 1: She was a matter of discussion and debate, skills of thought.
40:14
Speaker 1: By trying to destroy Amberlin and raise her story and
40:19
Speaker 1: who she was, he turned her into a legend. And
40:23
Speaker 1: Anne enters the mythos a point of intrigue and fascination
40:27
Speaker 1: and fucking deserved better. So ends the story of Amberley
40:31
Speaker 1: In And so what did we learn today? Henry the
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