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TEMTRIS Embrace Consequences And Growth On Queen Of Crows · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Jennet Even. This is spots from Temptress, Sydney, Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful, wonderful. Whereabouts are you guys right now?
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  Speaker 1: Actually we're actually will we actually live in Naura, Ah
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  Speaker 1: now the rest of the band is Sydney, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're like two hours from Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Queen of Crow's is your eighth album? What themes or
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  Speaker 4: emotions were driving the writing process behind it this time?
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  Speaker 1: When I came up with the concept whenever we temperass
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  Speaker 1: write albums, I come up with themes or concepts to
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  Speaker 1: write about to help with the writing structure and give
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  Speaker 1: me ideas for song lyrics. And I really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do something about consequences in life and they could be
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  Speaker 1: good or bad and how that affects you personally or
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  Speaker 1: people around you. So yeah, for me, it was quite
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  Speaker 1: easy to have a lot of in depth topics about
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  Speaker 1: that from personal experiences and things we've dealt with throughout
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  Speaker 1: our career. So for me, that made it quite an
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  Speaker 1: easy writing quite easily this time to put my emotions
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  Speaker 1: down on paper. So that was something that sort of
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  Speaker 1: came together. Even for Fox and Consequences, there's plenty of
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  Speaker 1: good and bad to talk about in the world at
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  Speaker 1: the moment.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, coming off the back of an album like
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  Speaker 5: Chaosy Vine, the previous album, which really was a journey
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  Speaker 5: into sort of sci fi dystopia and great fun for
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  Speaker 5: writing in different styles and incorporating a lot of new
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  Speaker 5: sounds into the music. But again coming to this album
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  Speaker 5: for Point of Crows just to take that dynamic shift again,
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  Speaker 5: definitely not sci fi this one. I know, we see
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  Speaker 5: the musical trail sort of follows along, so elements that
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  Speaker 5: we've introduced even as far back as the Ritual Warfare
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  Speaker 5: album and even Rapture had carried along through our sound
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  Speaker 5: as it's grown and developed, So there's definitely a timeline there.
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  Speaker 5: But it was it was great to step into, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: I mean in the album cover itself and the artwork,
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  Speaker 5: there's tarot cards, there's a whole I mean, probably a
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  Speaker 5: witch drafty sort of that's sort of vein an element
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  Speaker 5: to it as well, which yeah, again opens up a
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  Speaker 5: whole different range of musical options as far as songwriting
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  Speaker 5: is concerned.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I did notice that from the previous album
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  Speaker 4: and even previous albums, you guys have stepped away from
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  Speaker 4: what you were doing and it's almost I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to say it's a genre shift because I don't think
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  Speaker 4: it's that extreme, but you have explored new avenues I
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  Speaker 4: think with this album.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we always try to add more or different elements
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  Speaker 1: to our songs. We don't want every album to sound
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  Speaker 1: the same, even though it's still temperous. Yeah, we do
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  Speaker 1: try and push our own personal boundaries that I try
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  Speaker 1: and push vocally. He try and pushes musically. So that's
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  Speaker 1: something we do. Happy to experiment and try things, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where you have something to write about. Musically.
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  Speaker 1: You can experiment with other things that were can try things.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll sometimes go to him, Oh I need this
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  Speaker 1: guitar bar and I'll have to sing it because I
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  Speaker 1: can't play it. And then You'll be like, He'll write
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  Speaker 1: me a vocal partner. I'll be like, you want me
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  Speaker 1: to sing?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Crazy?
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  Speaker 4: And I watched the music video for the World Is
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  Speaker 4: Bleeding and it had me feeling empowered and it had
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  Speaker 4: really strong female energy.
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  Speaker 2: You reminded me of.
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  Speaker 4: Like zena Warrior Princess, isn't it. Where did you guys
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  Speaker 4: film that as well?
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  Speaker 3: That was actually Newcastle stock stock and Beach.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Stockton sand Dunes. They're quite famous for people going
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  Speaker 1: and checking out and you can go on tours there
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  Speaker 1: on a June buggy and because it's just endless dunes.
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  Speaker 1: And our filmmaker Adam literally just suggested when I said
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  Speaker 1: we wanted something similar like the film of the cover
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  Speaker 1: of the album with the sand on it, he said,
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  Speaker 1: I've got the place for you. And when we turned up,
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  Speaker 1: we were just like there was even the tree there
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  Speaker 1: to do the photos for the band, and I was like, Ah,
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  Speaker 1: that's just perfect and.
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  Speaker 2: So lucky there was no one else.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the dunes are expansive and endless,
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  Speaker 4: but it's beautiful. I highly recommend everyone check it out
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  Speaker 4: and can you walk us through the story or message
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  Speaker 4: behind the world is Bleeding out.
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  Speaker 3: Your Baby.
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  Speaker 5: It was one of the first songs written for the album,
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  Speaker 5: which is kind of interesting how it ended up being
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  Speaker 5: the closing track, but it was kind of written that way.
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  Speaker 5: It is a closing tracks, It's a finishing sort of song.
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  Speaker 3: The motifs are really again around.
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  Speaker 5: About the global perspective of what humanity is sort of
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  Speaker 5: choosing in some ways to do to itself. By what
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  Speaker 5: it chooses to include in it, it's greed and its
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  Speaker 5: approach to capitalism and consumerism, those sort of elements, and
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  Speaker 5: I guess when you're dealing with an album that's themed
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  Speaker 5: around con sequences, lyrically, we're delving into that area.
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  Speaker 3: But it was also musically was designed to be also
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  Speaker 3: a tale of sort of two parts.
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  Speaker 5: It's got a very soft, somber kind of introduction, which
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  Speaker 5: is meant to allude to the seriousness of the subject matter.
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  Speaker 5: But then when we cut into the second half of
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  Speaker 5: the song, there's there's a bit of fanfare going on,
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  Speaker 5: and it's a little bit deliberately tongue in cheek written
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  Speaker 5: that way because it's kind of like in some other
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  Speaker 5: areas of the lyrics in other songs, as mentioned, of
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  Speaker 5: this parade of humanity that goes on.
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  Speaker 3: So musically it was.
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  Speaker 5: Written to have that dynamic of drama promotion, advertising this
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  Speaker 5: is all amazing, wonderful stuff and how powerful and how
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  Speaker 5: potent the human race is. But of course when you
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  Speaker 5: dig into the lyric content, we're kind of having a
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  Speaker 5: giant barbered ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, You've got those sort of opposites in there,
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  Speaker 4: and like you're saying that fanfare for everything that's you know,
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  Speaker 4: advertising and going on in the world at the moment,
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  Speaker 4: but then contrasted with your lyrics as well, it's great
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  Speaker 4: and it's I never thought of it like that, but
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  Speaker 4: now that you're saying it, like how it's divided into
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  Speaker 4: the two parts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: And was there a particular track on Queen of Crow's
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  Speaker 4: that challenged you vocally or emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Carnival of Tears. When Anthony first wrote that one
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  Speaker 1: and showed me how it has a whole octave jump
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  Speaker 1: in the second verse, I first went, we'reever fucking playing
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  Speaker 1: this live? But we did the other night at our
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  Speaker 1: album launch, and I pulled it off and I was
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  Speaker 1: really proud of myself. But it took me a long
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  Speaker 1: time to teach my voice how to do that because
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  Speaker 1: I had to At first, I was trying to sing
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  Speaker 1: it in falsetto, which I don't do very often. I
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  Speaker 1: normally use my chest voice or mixed voice for everything.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I get the loud I get compared to
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  Speaker 1: being like sounding like a male singer sometimes because I
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  Speaker 1: don't do the symphonic stuff very much. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was definitely. It took me a long time to work
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  Speaker 1: out how to do that, but I'm one.
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  Speaker 3: Of those people.
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  Speaker 1: Even with Chaos Divine that track was really high as well.
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  Speaker 1: Once I've been given the time to teach my voice,
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  Speaker 1: it becomes a muscle memory and then I could usually
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  Speaker 1: do it every show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's where the songwriting team aspect comes into it, and
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  Speaker 5: we're very lucky even between Jen and myself how we're
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  Speaker 5: able to share expertise and ideas but also constantly push
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  Speaker 5: the bar on each other, and that translates to the
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  Speaker 5: other members in the band as well. Nick Drammer contributes
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  Speaker 5: quite heavily to all the rhythmic side of things to
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  Speaker 5: and he's got a really good hold on writing to
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  Speaker 5: a concept as well.
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  Speaker 3: So it's great.
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  Speaker 5: Fun bouncing ideas around and getting all the right rhythm
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  Speaker 5: sections going with all these other mochiefs that are going
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  Speaker 5: on in music, but with Jen in particular and the
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  Speaker 5: Carnival of Tears song, there's always at least one song
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  Speaker 5: on the album where I sort of close it off
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  Speaker 5: to myself and say I'm just going to go stupid
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  Speaker 5: on it. Basically, I'm going to write what's in my
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  Speaker 5: head and I'm just going to ignore any filters and
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  Speaker 5: present it once it's done and then yeah, it's Chaosly
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  Speaker 5: mine was a similar sort of theme the song itself,
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  Speaker 5: because when I brought it to Gen she just looked
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  Speaker 5: at me and just went, what the fuck, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Not really happening. I'm like, well, that's how I'm hear
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  Speaker 3: it is in my head, So it'd be nice if
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  Speaker 3: you give it a go. Let's see if we can
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 5: And of course, being the amazing voks that she isn't,
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  Speaker 5: she doesn't back down from a challenge, so we get
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  Speaker 5: these amazing results out of that music.
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  Speaker 3: But that song, to hear Jen perform it live the
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  Speaker 3: other night in Sydney just phenomenally impressive.
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  Speaker 5: To listen to a vocalist deliver that sort of level
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  Speaker 5: of vocal performance live off a stage. It makes you
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  Speaker 5: very proud as a songwriter to be able to be
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  Speaker 5: involved in that process.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can only imagine see a lot of your songs.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like they translate obviously so well in a
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  Speaker 4: live performance. Does it take you, guys a lot of
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  Speaker 4: goes to get a track down in the studio or
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  Speaker 4: are things pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Rapid this guy. I have to tell him to stop
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  Speaker 1: rewriting because he will keep writing, writing and fiddling and
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  Speaker 1: trying to make things better, which I understand. There's a
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  Speaker 1: point where you have to go, this song's fucking great,
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  Speaker 1: leave it alone. Yes, stop fiddling and studio wise, for me, Drama,
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  Speaker 1: the drummer and myself, we're getting the studio will pretty
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  Speaker 1: much recording three days, three to five days.
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  Speaker 3: We've done that.
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  Speaker 1: But the writing process we always put ideas down and
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  Speaker 1: we will tweak forever in our studio here about making
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  Speaker 1: things as good as we can or willis brown and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, hmm, chorus isn't big enough for it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not emotionally driven enough and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 1: we will keep feeling so we can be. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: do have some point go to Fox.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Core concepts in songs generally come together fairly solidly, particularly
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  Speaker 5: when we've got such a strong theme to write around,
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  Speaker 5: and Jenevieve and I have been writing together for so long,
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  Speaker 5: we're pretty good at nailing down the big picture stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And then the time then comes into how fine tuned
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  Speaker 5: we want the detail to be. And even I'm guilty
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  Speaker 5: of writing a song and then looking at it later
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  Speaker 5: and just going this, no way I'm going to remember
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  Speaker 5: all these different changes and variations on stage.
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  Speaker 3: That's just not going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: So again, having the other writers around and having out
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  Speaker 5: the other members of the band around to sort of go, well,
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  Speaker 5: that's it, no more detail, don't dig any further, we
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  Speaker 5: don't need any more variations.
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  Speaker 3: We've got the theme, We've got the core of it.
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  Speaker 5: If you start pushing it any further than that, it's
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  Speaker 5: going to start sounding like Hamilton the Musical or something
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  Speaker 5: like that. So yeah, having those filters on is a
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  Speaker 5: great scene. But yeah, it sort of is that dig
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  Speaker 5: into the detail until I feel like I've challenged what
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  Speaker 5: I've been able to do as a as a composer,
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  Speaker 5: as a writer, and the same for the other guys.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's always a point where you hit the brakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I would be that type of person
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  Speaker 4: to obsess over it and go oh but and then
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  Speaker 4: it's good you have the others around you to just
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  Speaker 4: go no, it's okay, stop and jen growing up for
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  Speaker 4: you some of your inspirations. Nowadays, there is so many
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  Speaker 4: more female fronted bands, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: But how about you growing up? Who is some of
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  Speaker 2: your inspirations?
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  Speaker 1: Look early on, probably my first major vocalist, female major
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  Speaker 1: vocalist that I got john too, was pat Banattar, just
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  Speaker 1: because she had such an amazing vocal range. She was
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  Speaker 1: classically trained and what she did, you know, hell is
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  Speaker 1: for children's song for example, is just amazing and I
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  Speaker 1: often listen to those tracks and go be really cool
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  Speaker 1: to meddle those up and see how they turn out.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, for HER's she was my first rock vocalist
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  Speaker 1: that really got my attention. Then of course people like
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  Speaker 1: doropesh from Warlock was my other, but I did follow
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  Speaker 1: more into that because there was not so many females
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  Speaker 1: in the business. Was more following Bruce Dickinson when I
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  Speaker 1: really heard him. That was like an easy thing for
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  Speaker 1: me to sort of attached to with my singing style.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had people like Jeff Tait from Queens
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  Speaker 1: write that really grabbed me. But as you say, now
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  Speaker 1: there's females everywhere singing, but the majority of them these
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  Speaker 1: days are either doing symphonic vocals or death vocal Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I've e't been noticing some of the traditional vocalists
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  Speaker 1: are now just doing death vocal because that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. But I would rather stay true and be
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  Speaker 1: I mean, someone did a review recently and compared me
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  Speaker 1: to people like my idols, and when are we to
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  Speaker 1: get compared to your idols like Jeff Tait or Bruce Dickinson. Well,
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  Speaker 1: then I don't want to do death vocals.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, No, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: You're exactly right, And I think it just speaks to you.
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  Speaker 4: You've obviously just nailed down your talent so well, and
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  Speaker 4: you know yourself and your voice and your vocal range
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  Speaker 4: that you I don't want you to and I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you need to go and explore different like the
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  Speaker 4: death vocals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: A few people do you say to me, Oh, you
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  Speaker 1: should could go and do this, And yeah, I probably could, but.
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  Speaker 3: You definitely can.
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  Speaker 5: Vocally you can, yeah, but musically, really, we put so
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  Speaker 5: much work into lyric content and making vocal lines like
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  Speaker 5: really stand out points in as part of the vocal arrangement.
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  Speaker 3: So to sort of.
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  Speaker 5: Not downgrade, but to put death vocals in amongst that
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  Speaker 5: sort of I don't think that would be being totally
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  Speaker 5: true to what we're trying to represent with the music.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: And how about what are you guys listening to at
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  Speaker 4: the moment? Is there anything that's really grabbed your attention lately?
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  Speaker 1: Tricky When we're in the writing phase and recording Faith,
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  Speaker 1: we don't listen to anything else, which is really frustrating
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  Speaker 1: because we get so stuck in our You're just analyzing
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  Speaker 1: everything else so much and you don't want to put
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  Speaker 1: other influencers in. But yeah, Gene, what have we listened?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm keen for the new Primal Fear album,
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  Speaker 1: so I've been checking out what's something with Ralph? Ralphie
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  Speaker 1: always impresses me with his vocals, So yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We have a little bit of Testament.
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  Speaker 5: They've too just recently, so I was getting back into
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  Speaker 5: a bit of them and enjoying the fact that bands
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  Speaker 5: like Testament, a lot of the shows they're doing now
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  Speaker 5: are our legacy sort of album shows.
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  Speaker 3: So you can backtrack a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: And have a bit of nostalgia and go and watch
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  Speaker 5: Alex Kulnik play the Return of to Serenity solo live
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  Speaker 5: and just get your goosebumps.
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  Speaker 3: Say yeah, that sort of stuff that loves for live music.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely. And with dual guitars being such a key.
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  Speaker 4: Part of your sound, how closely do you work with
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  Speaker 4: the guitarists when shaping vocal melodies.
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  Speaker 2: We've kind of already spoken about this.
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  Speaker 3: It's it is very much.
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  Speaker 5: Like writing, I guess almost for a string quartet in
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  Speaker 5: a way. You've got your bass holding down that cello
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  Speaker 5: part down the bottom. We use seven string guitar, which
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  Speaker 5: would obviously sit.
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  Speaker 3: In your viola line, and then your other guitar.
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  Speaker 5: Is your violin, and your vocalist takes the other violin parts.
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  Speaker 5: So those are your four layers of writing that you
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  Speaker 5: then blend across your cord structures and whatever else you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Gee, intense. Sounds like a lot of work.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I suppose it takes. It takes a bit of
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  Speaker 5: musical knowledge. It's we're not a band that just sort
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  Speaker 5: of jams stuck out and goes, yeah, that sounds good.
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  Speaker 3: Just repeat that.
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  Speaker 5: There's musicality involved, and I'll always be pushing lines and
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  Speaker 5: that's the detail we meant before.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking for those extra lines.
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking for the balance of how things sit and
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  Speaker 5: everything is there to deliver.
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  Speaker 3: That strong vocal performance over the top.
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  Speaker 5: We get our chance to shine as guitarists whenever the
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  Speaker 5: vocals are sort of out of the way and we're
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  Speaker 5: doing our solo stuff. And Nardi and I put a
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  Speaker 5: lot of work into the harmony writing that we do.
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  Speaker 5: And again, that's I suppose where guitarists like Nadi bring
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  Speaker 5: their strength to the four because he's just a fantastic guitarist,
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  Speaker 5: so he loves stepping up those sort of challenges. I
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  Speaker 5: consider myself more of a songwriter. I play guitar well
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  Speaker 5: enough to get out what's going on in my head,
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  Speaker 5: and sometimes that's fairly challenging. But to work with an
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  Speaker 5: actual guitarist guitarist like Nardi and Donovan, who appeared on
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  Speaker 5: the album as well, they push me in a guitar sense,
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  Speaker 5: and I like to think that I pushed back with
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  Speaker 5: the musicality side of things and challenge them to go
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  Speaker 5: in some different directions than just the standard ur pedgios
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  Speaker 5: or whatever might be be the first response. It's always
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  Speaker 5: a bit like, well, that sounds great, but how could
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  Speaker 5: we make it not better?
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  Speaker 3: But how could we make it different?
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: And most importantly, how could we attach it better to
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the theme of the music. And get it more strongly
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: representing the song as a whole.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: It's really intricate, and it's really interesting to hear that
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: from you, because it's like with music as a listener,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: sometimes you can just hear the music for what it
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: is and not really understand the complex layers underneath that
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: have gone into it. And I think it's particularly incredible
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: that you write on guitar with the vocals in mind,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: and you can throw those ideas.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Back off to Jen and be like, how about you
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: try this?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And it's very important because there's nothing worse than being
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: given a piece of music and people going sing to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: this and I'm like, but what am I singing to?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And what is the I need some emotional content to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: attach to to write, I just can't. Yeah. I quite
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: often when we write albums and we go to write
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a new album, I'll be the instigator of the theme
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to start the process. See, so I can actually create
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Go to Fox, Okay, we're going to go down this road.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: The ritual Warfare was literally about time and time in
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: life and stuff. So yeah, we always always have something
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to attach to.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it helps the creation and Genevieve, I mean, I
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: might have my party pieces, but Geneteve will contribute bulk
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: of lyrical ideas as well, because again, sometimes as a
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: guitarist you don't really think about simple things like how
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: is it vocalists going to breathe while singing all these
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: multiple words and phrases and things. So it is quite
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: important that Jenna's the vocal with the kind of vocal
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: delivery she's expected to produce. Yeah, she's able to sort
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: of go, well, these words go here because.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I need time to take the rest.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And was there a particular moment or a lyric on
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: the album that felt especially personal for you?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I actually wrote Stars of Betrayal, and if you've seen
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the single that was our second single, that one is
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: very close to our heart. I actually wrote that about
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: one of my children self harming and almost losing her life.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That is yeah, bullying and how the epidemic of bullying
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: is taking over our children in high schools and even
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: primary schools, and the fact that people are literally you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: see so many kids I'm seeing with cuts on. They're
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: self harming to try and regulate their behaviors and make
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: themselves feel better. And that's so that track for me
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is literally about that, about scars, betrayal, about being hurt
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: by friends, about being hurt by people you don't know. Yeah, personally,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I've had people attack me online just because of what
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I do and who I am, and the fact that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they're not there as well they want.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: To take me down.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So that Scars of a Child is really Yeah, it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a really close to home piece, that one, and it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: very it's sad, but it also needs to be told
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that it's not okay. What you know, what's going on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the world, and I think parents have a bit
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of responsibility there. A lot of parents are walking around
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: bullying themselves and children are watching that behavior and seeing
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: how they're talking and copying.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Sadly one hundred percent, that adds a whole a new
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: layer of meaning. I mean, I could kind of guess what,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: you know, within the nature of what the lyrics were,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: what the song was sort of about. But as a mum,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: and you know, with kids in primary school actually even
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: just today, one of my kids is at netball and
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: she had an issue with the other kids, and it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: just you feel so powerless, don't you, as a parent.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing you think, think you know, or
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we thought we knew how in depth the bullying was,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but we had no idea until you know, it got
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to this point. And that's the thing. You can think
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: your kids are okay because they put My daughter always says,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you're always so strong, So I just, you know, had
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to think I have to be like you put on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this brave face. But yeah, you don't realize what's actually
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: going on even though you think you're doing the best
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, there's the outside that are causing so
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: much damage to your kids with the bullying. Is really
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: really sad, and it's going on everywhere. It is a thing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It's an epidemic at the moment in schools and I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: don't know how we get control back over that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I know, I know know me either. I wish I
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: had an answer. And how is your daughter today?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Is she? Or right?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: She's a great finish school working after UNI.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Oh good, Oh thank god.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: It's doing awesome now.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So that's that's I think that's the thing. That she
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was one of those smart, good looking pretty girls that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: didn't smoke or do drugs, so everyone picked up because
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: she wasn't yeah into that group, so they didn't like it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: So I guess the lesson overall is that you you
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: you really hope people would understand, particularly people who were
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: going through that sort of emotional state in their life,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: is being able to project forward and see that things
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: can change.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the hardest message to get across one.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Hundred percent undred percent.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: And as you know, as parents, I often go, you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: it'll be okay, and it's like I trust and believe
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: in that, But how do you get a child to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: understand that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's pretty heavy. It's a heavy topic.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow. And how do you feel the Australian
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: metal scene has changed since Tempres first emerged. It's changed
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, when we started, it was there was
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of rock bands or hard rock bands, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: thrash bands were kind of still a bit of a
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: new thing, probably shown a.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Bit of age there.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: But we have been around for all. It's been really
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: interesting watching the whole musical scene try and adapt to
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, initially what was the collapse of the industry financially,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: uh and everything being picked up by internet and then
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: now into the social media world. But yeah, bands and
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: that whole musical aspect has has changed dramatically, even over
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: the short space of time that we've been running around.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Not as many venues to play in. Its socialt like
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the Internet. It's all about social stuff now and posting
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: as much as you can and you know, being in
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: people's face. It's really I find it. I find it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: overwhelming sometimes thinking i' I've got tonight, our album's out tomorrow,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and I've done one little post about our Japanese pressing,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm actually like already mentally tired from
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: my job and keep giving. And that's where it's I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: think the industry has changed. It used to be you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: could go and play and reach everybody, but now you've
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: got to play, you've got to promote, you've got to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: do TikTok, you've got to do all this other stuff.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And live stagecraft has changed as well.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: I mean everyone's probably familiar now with the fact that
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: musicians have got earphones in they're all listening to quicking
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: top clocks inside their heads. For the most part, more
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and more bands are adding more and more sampled sounds
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: into their musics. It's in a lot of instances now
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: a live performance is live by how much you almost
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: feel like some band should be putting a little list
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: they do on alcohol products, like this performance will be yeah, yeah,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: really matter. A solid stage performance is a solid stage performance,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: and the audience is going to enjoy it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: But there is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Definitely a wide and in split between pure live band
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: performance and a lot of bands that have now moved
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: into more it's almost stage show. And the way we
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: were jokingly refer to music like river Dance and stuff
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: when that was put on. There's a lot more bands
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: now that are that are on that path and using
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the special effects and using the sound throughout their entire shows.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: It really rang true when we were touring Europe because
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: we would.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Turn up just with our boards and our guitars, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: the sound guys would be like, so laptops.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Computers, ear monitors, like, none of that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Eating.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: The drummer will count in and we'll play, Oh well,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the hands that go together. They'd be like, oh, this
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: is going to be great. I've got to love this.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And so often the engineers would come off at the
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: end and say, it's been so long.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Since I've worked with a band like that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: So often it's everything is just being automated and done.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Even for them as the mixing engineer, it's all been
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: done for them. They're told to just plug it in
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: and turn the volume up. So for us, I suppose
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: that shows a little bit again of our age, but
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: it's also it is part of our drivers the band.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: We take great pride in the fact that we work
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: hard to.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Be good musicians.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: We work hard to write good songs that can be
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: performed live on stage. Our music is designed to be
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: a show, but it's a live show. When I walk
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: off stage, if I've played ninety percent of the guitar
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: music that I've had to play.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Correctly, I'm pretty pumped with that because it's not easy.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: And it's the same for the rest of the guys
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: in the band when we walk off stage if we've
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: really nailed a show.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: The personal reward.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: That you feel knowing that that's simply on the efforts
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: of your hard work and the fact that you've just
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: put all your talent into a great, big ball and
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: you've managed to succeed with it, it's kind of cool.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: It's a bit like.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Rock climbing without anchors and safety nets and things. It's like, yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: it can all go horribly wrong, but that's kind of
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: what makes it fun exactly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No. I think that's so true.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: And even though you know you guys well, because you
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: guys have been around for a while now, when you
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: guys first started out, I imagine that you put on
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: a live show, and you put on a live show
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: like there's not much else more to it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's you guys giving your all and your best.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: And I think that in this day and age, we're
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: losing a lot of that, as you.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Were saying, like, because it's everything are.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Very overly produced, and it must be also a bit
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: of a double edged sword with social media, you being
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: able to connect so easily with fans, but then also
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: feeling that pressure.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Like you have to post constantly.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, We've actually got a song on a new
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: album called No One Is Listening, and that's actually about that,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: about trying to get through the layers and layers of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the amount of music that he's out there now and
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: trying to be heard and get your product heard, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it feels like you're working your ass off and you're
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: reaching this. Yeah, a little piece every album more a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: little bit more.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: So.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that track is actually about.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, you guys have made it internationally as well, though,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Was there a like significant moment when you thought like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like we have made it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think. We don't ever think we've made it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We're always looking at the next goal. He's always said,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I'd be happy to be known of one of Australia's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: female heavy metal singers. And I guess I am in
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a sense now people know who I am and people
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: go to me. You don't realize how big you And
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just a girl from now going to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Europe and we're like, okay, we've played the festival now
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and we're hopefully going back again next year to play
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: some law festivals. And I guess that's what is what
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is what defines making it for us. We are happy
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: what we've achieved. It's been a hard yard to get
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: where we have got and but we're always pushing ourselves
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to get to that next level.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: So yeah, and I mean again, our band is sort
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: of more built on that musical aspect. For us, making
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: it is just performing really well and because that is
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: it kind of our focus. We don't have sort of
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: benchmarks where we've sold this many albums, so we must
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: have made it, or we've we've performed at this particular festivals,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: so we must.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Have made it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: When when we are really happy as a band, it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: because we've delivered a solid set of music to whatever
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: audience has happened to be in front of us, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: those audience members have appreciated it, they've understood it, they've
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: connected with it, they've grabbed us after the show and gone,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I had a ship week this week, but I came
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: and saw your band and suddenly, you know, everything's right
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: in the world again. That's making it for us from
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: our perspectives.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: And that's raw and honest, and I think that's what
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: it all should be about.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day. It's lovely to hear
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that's that's how you guys think.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And what's next for ten for us after this release,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: can we expect a tour, videos or maybe even a
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: vinyl pressing?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, i'd love I've always wanted to do vinyl.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: It's just been money always runs out at the end
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: by the time I've organized touring and recording and pressing albums.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I would actually would love to do this album.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Point of grows on vinyl, so if I managed to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: recruit some costs, that is on my list to do.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: But we definitely are. We had to postpone our tour
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to Europe after Nick our drama had his heart attack
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: at Bernie, which is in the Sydney show, which is devastating.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But he's alive, so that's good, all right, He's.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Back at it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: We are definitely planning to get back to Europe. We're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: aiming at the moment for April May to get back
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to Europe. So we're just locking in a couple of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: festival dates and then I will hopefully start booking. We
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: want to get back to the UK again, and that's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: then we might take a break, I don't know from
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: writing always, so we're going to We always say this
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: is costing too much, it's too much hard work. I'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: too tired from it. I don't want to do anymore,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and then we always start writing again.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Well, it'd be a well deserved break, I think to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: have one. Oh guys, we're loving Clean and Crows already.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: It's been so lovely to speak with you both.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks you time.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: The post