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- 0:06Welcome back to another episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. On
- 0:09today's episode, we're going to be talking about the wonders of
- 0:13islands and why a new study is kind of... potentially
- 0:17adding more controversy to whether some
- 0:21islands will disappear and how some islands are actually growing and
- 0:24just shifting in changes with oceans and
- 0:27sea level rise and climate change consequences. So we're
- 0:30going to talk about the controversy that it could cause. We're going to talk about the
- 0:34study in itself. We're going to talk about why people in the Maldives
- 0:38should be knowing how their islands are adapting to
- 0:42sea level rise. We're going to talk about that on today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean
- 0:45podcast. Let's start the show. Hey,
- 0:52everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm
- 0:55your host, Andrew Lewin. This is the podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how
- 0:59you can speak up for the ocean, what you can do to live for a better ocean by
- 1:02taking action. In today's episode, we're going to be talking about
- 1:05climate change and sea level rise and how small islands
- 1:09are reacting to climate change. It's really interesting. There's a
- 1:13great article that provides a lot of insight into the
- 1:16study where researchers looked at
- 1:20about 1,000 islands. And they looked at the dynamics of
- 1:23those islands and how they've been reacting to shifting sort
- 1:27of like climate change scenarios, like especially with sea level rise and
- 1:30storm surges and how that islands or how those islands have
- 1:33been shaped in that time. And are they, you know, are
- 1:37some islands disappearing or other islands, you know, moving in
- 1:40different areas? Are they building in some areas and not in
- 1:43others? And there's a lot of things that we're gonna talk about too. We're even gonna talk about
- 1:47the Mississippi Delta and how that is constantly changing and
- 1:51how humans have been kind of putting in their own
- 1:54way of adaptation sort of scenarios and
- 1:59solutions that may or may not have worked in the past and
- 2:02are going back to sort of natural solutions. We're gonna talk a little bit about
- 2:05that as well because it kind of takes You know, it matters
- 2:09in this situation. It matters how these dynamics have been playing
- 2:12for, like, in small islands and in Mississippi Delta
- 2:16for, you know, generations and hundreds of years, and then all of
- 2:19a sudden we come in as humans and we try and change things, and
- 2:23it doesn't really change. And then we're going to talk about, like, does this matter when
- 2:26we're talking about climate change? You know, it's really interesting
- 2:30because the article is on the New York Times and the
- 2:33comments section is kind of interesting in the New York Times. I don't subscribe to
- 2:36the New York Times. I got this sort of like free deal with them for
- 2:40a temporary time and I decided to look at the article and I decided to look at the comments
- 2:44and anytime you try and put
- 2:47an article up about climate change, you get a lot of deniers, a
- 2:50lot of climate change deniers coming in. And of course, they're just filled in the comments
- 2:54saying, oh, we told you this whole time that you're not going to see disappearing
- 2:58islands. And these islands are going to change all
- 3:01the time, and they're just going to adapt, and they're going to change. Not necessarily
- 3:05the case. That's not what this study is actually saying. So we're going to talk about why that's
- 3:08important to know, but why it's important to know to gather data and to study these
- 3:12island dynamics, because it's important. It's important for
- 3:15the people who live on those islands. We're going to focus today's study mostly
- 3:19on the Maldives. And so the study that
- 3:22looked at a number of different islands, so like I
- 3:26said, over a thousand islands, looked at
- 3:29how these islands changed. So, the Maldives are
- 3:33essentially a set of islands that are built from atolls. So,
- 3:37an atoll is essentially sort of a ring around what
- 3:41used to be a volcano. The volcano sinks down and then you
- 3:44have these ring of islands and then coral reefs that kind of fill the
- 3:47area where the volcano
- 3:51is and you get this beautiful set of islands. And, you
- 3:54know, in some areas you get, you know, a chain of islands that are like
- 3:58a over a hundred and eighty different types of islands others are smaller
- 4:01those are larger it really just depends but the maldives are
- 4:04a set of these islands that have been an example of
- 4:08how you know these islands have this country
- 4:12has been adapting to the sort
- 4:15of climate change and sea level rise. They are very low-lying islands,
- 4:18some of them are just like six feet above sea level, and
- 4:23others are obviously a little bit bigger than that, but they're populated. There's
- 4:26this set of islands, the Maldives, have people
- 4:30that live off of there, and there are a lot of hotels, there's a tourism industry.
- 4:34there's a lot of things that go on there. If you're not familiar with
- 4:37the Manitrust, the Manitrust was sort of born out of
- 4:41the Maldives, and there's a really great episode in
- 4:44the Beyond Jaws podcast where we talk to the executive director of
- 4:48the Manitrust, and you should check that out, I'll put the link
- 4:51in the show notes, but it's a really interesting set of
- 4:55islands and it's a very interesting set especially when it comes to climate change and sea
- 4:58level rise and how these islands are going to adapt. Now the gist
- 5:01of the article is essentially these
- 5:05islands aren't really vanishing, that we thought. And we looked over the
- 5:08last 20 years, and the researchers saw
- 5:12changes in the island dynamics. So some islands grew
- 5:16in some places, but also withered away and
- 5:19eroded away in others. These are sand-based islands, and
- 5:23some areas just sort of disappeared, and some grew
- 5:26in other areas of that particular island. which is interesting because
- 5:30we've been told this entire time that these islands would disappear. They
- 5:33would just, you know, the water would just take over the island, it
- 5:37would just engulf it and the people would have to leave. And some
- 5:40islands in like the South Pacific, that's happened already.
- 5:44We've had people having to just get up and they become what
- 5:47we call climate refugees and they have to be you know relocated to
- 5:51another place losing their culture losing their history for
- 5:55generations uh... obviously these are small island states
- 5:58that are being affected more often than not uh... but we're also
- 6:02seeing like along the coastal areas along north america that
- 6:05have you know had to change the way they they live that
- 6:09change their the way they live along their coastline and try
- 6:12to fortify that coastline by any means necessary to maintain where
- 6:15they can live Not easy to do, and expensive. Super,
- 6:19super expensive, and it doesn't always work, which we'll get into in just a little
- 6:23bit. These islands, though, I'm going to go into a little bit
- 6:26more detail. They had some interesting examples.
- 6:31They talk a little bit about atolls. I'll link to the article in case
- 6:34you want to, like it goes into a lot of detail. And
- 6:38I think it's really interesting just to see how atolls are built. You
- 6:42know, what Charles Darwin thought about, he said, such formations surely rank
- 6:45high amongst the wonderful objects of the world. He wrote that in
- 6:491836 after visiting the Indian Ocean Atoll during, uh, an
- 6:53Indian Ocean Atoll during his voyage on the Beagle. And
- 6:56then, like, some islands, if you look at some islands, they're attached by, like,
- 6:59near the capital of Malé. There are two
- 7:03islands that are attached or connected through bridges and stuff. So there's
- 7:06always something going on. And people live off
- 7:10of fishing communities. They live off of other localized
- 7:14businesses, as well as government things, like government
- 7:18services and government jobs. And so it's a
- 7:22really interesting place. There's one area, Hudavuhu.
- 7:27Huvudu, sorry, Huvudu Atoll. And
- 7:31so this atoll is a gourd-shaped ring of
- 7:34about 241 islands in the southern Maldives. And
- 7:38the researchers studied aerial and satellite imagery of 184 of
- 7:42those islands to see how they changed in recent decades. So
- 7:45we're looking at tens of years as they've changed. Nearly
- 7:5042% of the islands had lost ground to erosion, so
- 7:53we're still seeing erosion. And if you go to the article on
- 7:56the New York Times, you'll see sort of the highlights of what areas
- 8:00were lost and what parts of the islands were lost. But in
- 8:03a similar proportion, 39%, so just a
- 8:06little less, were relatively stable in the area and
- 8:10even had shifted in shape. So they gained
- 8:13a little bit, shift in shape. So you lost 42%, gained 39% so
- 8:18not a total loss not a big loss and then
- 8:2220% of the islands actually grew and a few of them Because humans
- 8:25had created new land. So there were instances especially
- 8:29in the capital of Mali where humans actually added land to
- 8:33the inner parts of the island where there was water and so it built
- 8:37more land so that's like you know that's that's a lot of
- 8:41proactive or even reactive sort of i guess
- 8:44it's proactive trying to build up land so more people can live
- 8:47off them so precisely why the island shrank while others did
- 8:51not is what scientists are hoping to now figure out. So that's the big
- 8:54question here. It's like, now that we've used satellite imagery,
- 8:58now we've used maps, and we've seen the differences in the islands over
- 9:01these decadal periods, now we're seeing, hey, what
- 9:06happened to these islands? Why did they switch? What are the
- 9:09current dynamics? How is sand being added
- 9:13and deposited on? Some sites that I saw, said
- 9:17that it's just like sort of you know these sand that the water is actually taking
- 9:20the sand just depositing into higher areas and then receding so
- 9:24maybe even causing its own barrier i'm not too sure i'm not a
- 9:27physical oceanographer so i don't really know all of the details but
- 9:31it's it's definitely interesting to see how these things have
- 9:35have changed. One doctoral researcher, her
- 9:39name is Atana Gia Newhouse, scooped
- 9:43up a spadeful of sand and beheld the miniature universe
- 9:47it contained. It said puzzle pieces of fragments of coral and
- 9:50calcareous algae in a mad variety of shapes
- 9:53and textures, crushed shells of bivalves, crustaceans, and single-celled
- 9:57formina, Foraminifera, the sugar white
- 10:00sand particles that parafish churned out, like all this stuff was found as
- 10:03they started to take samples and study those samples. So
- 10:08Ms. Gia Newhouse is going to take it back to the University of Plymouth in England
- 10:11and she's going to start classifying and counting the grains and piece to piece
- 10:15together how these islands came to be so this could just be
- 10:18like coral rock that's being deposited along so it's it's
- 10:21you know as Dr. Kench says You
- 10:25know, he's like it's like detective work, you know, I think it's really interesting He says
- 10:28basically it's a forensics exercise of like what's happening. You
- 10:31know, they're putting in sediment cores trying to get sediments out
- 10:34there. They're There's pictures of
- 10:38installing a wave sensor to see how those waves are. Then they go
- 10:41to the bottom of the ocean and install a device to measure currents at
- 10:44the depth of about 65 feet. So there's all these different studies
- 10:48that are happening along these islands, these set of 184 islands. and
- 10:53other places around the different atolls, and we're
- 10:56gonna see some results from that over time, and
- 11:00I find that extremely, extremely interesting, because
- 11:04it's something that we need to look at. So looking
- 11:07at the Huvadu Atoll, sorry,
- 11:11I don't really know how to pronounce these, so it says, change has been constant on another
- 11:14island that Dr. Kents has studied, which is Kandala Halagala, I
- 11:18think that's how you pronounce it, which appears in 1969 aerial
- 11:22photos of the Huvudu Atoll. And
- 11:26then it says, he and his colleagues measured the edge of vegetation in
- 11:30the photo, then compared their findings to recent satellite imagery.
- 11:34And by 2005, the edge had shifted to the south, the northern
- 11:38side of the islands had eroded, and the southern side had
- 11:41grown. So quite a difference in growth.
- 11:47Over the next five years, the eastern tip of the island eroded slightly, and
- 11:51then the western curve of the island expanded. So it looks like there's an
- 11:54area where sand gets eroded, but then it gets maybe deposited back
- 11:58onto the different parts of the island. And then later, a new
- 12:01point actually formed and widened. And
- 12:05the island didn't shrink over the past half-century, but its shape
- 12:09transformed from a potato to a teardrop-like shape. Which is
- 12:12interesting, because these islands still have to have you
- 12:21know, have to monitor the change, the shift, because it could
- 12:24affect residences, it could affect businesses, it
- 12:28could affect people living on the island and how they're living on
- 12:31the island. There might be areas, and there's pictures down
- 12:35below in this study, where people have
- 12:38had to you know, shore up their area because they built
- 12:41a hotel on an area where the land is eroding, and
- 12:45so much so that it actually exposed,
- 12:50you know, bodies that were buried in the cemetery and from a mosque, and,
- 12:54you know, that obviously is sacred, that's cultural, and so those areas
- 12:58need to be protected. Now, similarly, in the Mississippi
- 13:01Delta, which I had a chance a number of
- 13:05years ago, about 10 years ago, to sit in on a
- 13:08presentation at a conference that I was at, Coastal Zone Canada Conference, engineers
- 13:13had talked about what the Mississippi Delta looked like before, like
- 13:17in the 1960s and 1970s. And then after, as
- 13:20they started to see parts of the areas erode away,
- 13:25And then so they fortified it. They put in man-made structures. So
- 13:29it could be a seawall. It could be sort of like a fortified barrier
- 13:32with rocks. And then there's a cage over those rocks.
- 13:35We see that a lot with river systems inland. There
- 13:39are a lot of just different ways of fortifying that are human-made. The
- 13:43problem with that is it interrupted the regular dynamics of
- 13:47some areas where you eroded the sand
- 13:50from one area, the mud or the coastline from one area, and that
- 13:55same eroded material got deposited in other
- 13:59areas along the delta, which actually grew those areas, which
- 14:02were significant to a lot of the indigenous
- 14:06people in those areas, tribes that were in those areas in Louisiana,
- 14:10southern Louisiana. That obviously had
- 14:13to change the dynamics. They had to take away some of the fortified areas
- 14:17to allow that natural erosion to happen so
- 14:21that other areas could be built up. The moral of
- 14:24this story is to say, don't start to interfere right
- 14:28off the bat. Because if you interfere right off the bat, you don't know
- 14:32what you're messing up down the road that's natural and that people
- 14:35could be relying on. Looking at island
- 14:39structure and looking at how islands change over decades
- 14:42and even over centuries in some cases that we have data is
- 14:46tricky. You can't predict where things are going to go unless you
- 14:50start to know how currents are going to change or
- 14:53how they behave. And that could change through climate
- 14:56change effects. We are seeing currents start to shift. We're
- 15:00seeing upwelling shift in areas. These are things
- 15:03that we need to monitor. Having more data to monitor the
- 15:07security of these islands, whether they disappear. And some islands will
- 15:10disappear under the water and others won't. This is sort of
- 15:13an example of where islands won't, but they will shift in shape.
- 15:17And that shape will matter in the future. Do you build on
- 15:21the new parts of the shape? Do you actually add it yourself as humans and
- 15:24we interfere with the natural processes? Is that going
- 15:28to interfere with anything else? These are all questions that we
- 15:31need to ask ourselves too and I'm sure there are many more with people
- 15:34who are smarter than I in this and that's not hard to do in
- 15:38this sort of subject matter. It's something that we have to ask.
- 15:41There's something as the science community and the conservation community and
- 15:45sort of just working with people along, you know,
- 15:48small island states. We need to know this. We need to know
- 15:52how things are going to change and how it's going to affect
- 15:56people in the islands. We talked last episode with
- 16:00Rocky from Rare and she was talking about how they're working on
- 16:04creating savings accounts for the fishing community so that in case a
- 16:08typhoon comes in or some kind of cyclone comes in or some kind
- 16:11of storm that comes in to ruin the areas
- 16:15where they fish, the coral reefs where they fish, they have to
- 16:18rebuild that marine protected area and they might be out of fish for
- 16:21a while they have a savings bank to actually help them out
- 16:25and help them recoup faster than they would if they weren't able
- 16:28to catch any fish due to these scenarios. Island
- 16:37nations and specific areas will be protected and
- 16:41they will be prepared to handle a lot of different things that
- 16:44are happening Within you know island dynamics. That's
- 16:48what it really comes down to that's the story I got out of this, you
- 16:52know Whether all the islands are gonna sink, whether all the islands
- 16:55are going to survive and build and get bigger, we
- 16:58don't know. Some islands will, some islands won't. Some cultures
- 17:02and some people will have to move. They will become climate refugees. Sometimes
- 17:07it might be in a small island state. Other times it might be in a
- 17:10province or a state in North America or Europe or Asia or
- 17:13somewhere else in the world where you think it's a developed country,
- 17:18right? And a lot of times it'll happen in developing countries. The idea is
- 17:21to work with more people working with coastal
- 17:24communities to ensure that the methods and the
- 17:28processes that are put in place protect them from those changes, protect
- 17:31them to allow them to adapt to those changes, whether it be on
- 17:35a physical level, whether it be on an environmental level, whether it be on
- 17:38sort of an emotional level, like in terms of preserving culture
- 17:42and preserving sort of your ancestors in terms of, you know, eroding
- 17:46away of cemeteries and so forth. You
- 17:50know, those are the things that need to be protected. Those are the things that need
- 17:53to be taken into account and preparing those areas, preparing those
- 17:57islands with the knowledge and the tools that can
- 18:00help them Some of them may have already started it, and some of
- 18:03them may have already known about this for years, and they don't
- 18:07need outside help, but some of them will. And that's where we
- 18:10come in as a conservation community. That's what we do. So I just
- 18:13wanted to cover that story, clear up some things. It's not as controversial as
- 18:17you think, but science is science. When you think
- 18:20something's going to happen to everything, it's usually not
- 18:23the case. It's usually very unique to, you know, island dynamics and
- 18:27how currents and the makeup of the sand and
- 18:30sediment of the land within those Somalian states,
- 18:34you know, adapt to different currents and to different storms and to different storm
- 18:38surges and all that kind of stuff. So there's lots to know about this. This
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