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Layers of Practice with Sah D’Simone · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: reached out. Which should be a happy birthday. I celebrated
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Speaker 1: my birthday recently and it was so beautiful I think
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Speaker 1: I actually need to do a whole show about it.
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Speaker 1: I decided to turn my birthday into a healing retreat
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Speaker 1: in my backyard, and um, you know, my birthday kind
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Speaker 1: of coincided along with Los Angeles opening back up, and
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of the world opening back up,
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Speaker 1: and I think so many of us are really trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out how do I want to occupy space?
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Speaker 1: What do I want to do in this new normal
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Speaker 1: now that we've all kind of been given the freedom
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Speaker 1: and some of the opportunity to perhaps restructure our lives
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Speaker 1: and restructure our friend groups and restructure how much we
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Speaker 1: want to give of ourselves. So I had a really
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Speaker 1: beautiful evening. Um Actually, now, on the second thought, I
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Speaker 1: think it will definitely turn this into an entire episode,
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Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. But one of the one
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Speaker 1: of the beautiful people that was at my party is
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Speaker 1: actually my guest today, so I'm gonna get into that
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Speaker 1: this and I don't know why I don't talk about
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Speaker 1: those that are interested in meditating with me, I lead
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Speaker 1: on their real easy. Okay, today's show, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: I am so excited to share this utterly epic human
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Speaker 1: being with you. Saw is one of the most phenomenal
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Speaker 1: friendships that I have made in the pandemic, and I'm
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Speaker 1: never letting him go. So Sadi Simone is the guest today.
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Speaker 1: I know there are so many listening that absolutely adore
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Speaker 1: his incredible, powerful work. And the really fun and beautiful
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Speaker 1: way is that he shares all of his depth on
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Speaker 1: his Instagram, on his tiktop, on a TikTok, within his
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Speaker 1: community spiritually Sassy, or through his books. Sadi Simone is
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Speaker 1: a spiritual guide, a meditation teacher, and international transformational speaker,
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Speaker 1: A best selling author and creator of This Saw method
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Speaker 1: who has dedicated his life to helping others to live
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Speaker 1: in alignment and achieve their highest potential. He is pioneering
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Speaker 1: a spiritually, sassy, heart based healing movement rooted in science backed,
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Speaker 1: the path to enlightenment. His infectious enthusiasm for healing is
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Speaker 1: grounded in a masterful and revolutionary synthesis of ancient Tantrik Buddhism,
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Speaker 1: modern contemplative psychotherapy, meditation, breath work, and integrative nutrition, all
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Speaker 1: delivered in his own radiant, approachable and playful style. His
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Speaker 1: teachings have helped enriched the lives of millions of people
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Speaker 1: and inspire a new generation of change bankers. Deepak Chopra
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Speaker 1: has called Saw a radical spiritual guide in ninety and
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Speaker 1: a tech speaker. He's been featured on BuzzFeed, Vice, USA, Today,
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Speaker 1: his first book, Five Minute Daily Meditations, was called a
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Speaker 1: year and personal retreat of daily meditations by Sharon Salzburg
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Speaker 1: and His second book, Spiritually Sassy, Eight Radical Steps to
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Speaker 1: Activate You're in eight Superpowers, is out now. Check out
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Speaker 1: here's my dear friend, one of my favorite humans that
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Speaker 1: has ever lived. Welcome to the show, saw Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the show. One of my favorite favorite human beings that
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Speaker 1: have ever existed in this lifetime, favorite souls that has
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Speaker 1: ever existed in all the realms, My dear friend, Sadi Simone.
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Speaker 1: Oh ship, Hi, my queen, my diary. I'm so honored
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Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank
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Speaker 1: God for you. And the feeling is mutual. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, and I want to
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Speaker 1: start the show there. I love you. I think you
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Speaker 1: are such a powerful spiritual teacher and just such a
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Speaker 1: kind soul um. And I think a piece of you
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Speaker 1: like you are so powerful in so many ways. And
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Speaker 1: I think the way that you share yourself with your audiences,
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Speaker 1: you like in your full power, which gives this humongous,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous permission to anyone that connects with your work to
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Speaker 1: dive deeper and to really see themselves. And something I
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Speaker 1: love is that you are that power. But you also
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Speaker 1: have like such a tenderness and thoughtfulness about you, like
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Speaker 1: you are so deeply connected. Um, I think to the
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Speaker 1: people in your lives in a way that feels really special.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to start with that is so sweet.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, babe, thank you, thank you, thank you. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Years in the making, you know, years in the making.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't always um. Someone said to me, sigh, you
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Speaker 1: are are so effortless. But my response to that, it's taken.
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Speaker 1: It's taken a lot of effort to be effortless, you know,
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Speaker 1: and just remembering that that it does take a like
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Speaker 1: being present is effortless when we are present, right, but
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Speaker 1: when we are so um, discombabulated, untrained, scattered, crunchy, wobbly,
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Speaker 1: it takes a lot of effort to become present. And like,
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Speaker 1: all that's good that I have to offer, all that's
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Speaker 1: wise that I have to offer, all that's benevolent, uh,
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Speaker 1: and beneficially that I have to offer only comes from
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Speaker 1: like deep presence, you know. So it does take a
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Speaker 1: lot of effort, you know, getting up in the morning,
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Speaker 1: cuddling with the boyfriend for a minute, and then sitting
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Speaker 1: down to meditate, doing the breath during the prayers, and
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Speaker 1: then getting the fitness on, drinking water, doing all the
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Speaker 1: things to be able to show up, you know, with
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Speaker 1: deep presence, like with the mind that's relaxed, with the
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Speaker 1: body that's energized, with the heart that's open um. So
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Speaker 1: thank you for that reflection that the work is working.
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Speaker 1: You know I do the work is working. So I
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Speaker 1: like to start all my shows with kind of talking
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Speaker 1: about how I found myself connected to such glorious spirits.
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Speaker 1: And I love our story because we kind of came
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Speaker 1: together um a little bit in the Chopper universe, like
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Speaker 1: both kind of you have spoken so gorgeously on Chopper
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Speaker 1: stages at retreats. We were both at the top of
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Speaker 1: the pandemic kind of sharing um our hearts with the
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Speaker 1: audiences on like lives on Chopra. And one day, like
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Speaker 1: I had been seeing you and I had just been
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Speaker 1: like loving loving you from Afar, and then we were
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Speaker 1: on a zoom call together where it was keep going
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Speaker 1: and we were like all on these zoom screens and
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Speaker 1: I was staring at you and you were staring at me,
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Speaker 1: and then you sent me like a little chat in
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Speaker 1: the screen and I just like started dying. What did
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Speaker 1: you say when you chatted me? I say, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: you're like I'm melting looking at you. Were giving like
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Speaker 1: icon vibes something like that, and I was like, you
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Speaker 1: dropped that gorgeous and and in that very moment, We're like, honey,
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking the same like I was thinking
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Speaker 1: literally the same thing watching you right now. And then
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Speaker 1: after that it was a wrap like it turned immediately
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Speaker 1: into an iconic um afternoons spent in Venice and many many, many,
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Speaker 1: many many more moments like that. Um. So it's been
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Speaker 1: such a joy. But that's something I love about us
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Speaker 1: because I think that we are able to be the
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Speaker 1: fullness of who we are in front of people and
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Speaker 1: greet each other with that much enthusiasm. Um. And that's
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Speaker 1: something that that I think is a really beautiful gift
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Speaker 1: about deep, authentic friendships. Yeah, Babe, I gotta say, Honey,
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Speaker 1: I've been quietly watching you and just obsessing over like
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Speaker 1: if I liked women, I like the seed, Honey. I
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Speaker 1: want you to be like the mother of my children. Honey.
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Speaker 1: It's brave for me to come back. I guess your
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Speaker 1: next lifetime. It's like that you are, I mean, and
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Speaker 1: the love is shared when I when I talk talk
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Speaker 1: about you too, like my mother and my family, everyone's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Debby Brown is the fucking ship. She's the monic legendary.
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Speaker 1: And that one time when I was at your house
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Speaker 1: and I faced time my mom. Yes, yeah, then you
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Speaker 1: guys and your mom got to request my son. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean you you baby, You're it. You know you're it,
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Speaker 1: and I mean it every every with every every, every
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Speaker 1: part of it. It's like you to be able to
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Speaker 1: be a mother, a teacher, a guide and and still
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Speaker 1: show up with so much you know, brightness and and
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Speaker 1: and ease and we laugh so much, you know, and
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Speaker 1: I'm a good honey, like yes, yeah, thank you, thank
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Speaker 1: you know. Earlier this year, um, you released your second book,
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Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy, Eight Radical Steps to Activate your Innate Superpowers.
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Speaker 1: And I love like you're you're very much at the
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Speaker 1: forefront of this new spiritual world that's really being unearthed
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Speaker 1: and and coming in a way that is truly democratized
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Speaker 1: and available to all. And I really want to speak
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Speaker 1: to you know something that I really connect within your work.
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Speaker 1: And I had a chance to be on your incredible podcast,
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Speaker 1: The Spiritually Sassy Show, and I still get d m
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Speaker 1: s about that every day. Um. But you know something
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Speaker 1: we talked to on that is you're such an incredible blend.
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Speaker 1: I think of deep ancient knowledge, like you have a
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Speaker 1: very specific path that you've walked in honor to your lineage,
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Speaker 1: the Buddhist lineage, and I think, but you're also so
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Speaker 1: radically present moment connected to now in the deep understanding
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Speaker 1: of really the complex layers of humanity. I think we're
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Speaker 1: just stepping into that moment within this spiritual world. You know,
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Speaker 1: spirituality is on trend. It has come to the forefront um.
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Speaker 1: For many of us, it's what literally saved our lives.
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Speaker 1: And then I think for others it is this kind
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Speaker 1: of um fun dabbling. Maybe you know, spirituality is really
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Speaker 1: having its moment in the sun. And I think it
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Speaker 1: gets a little dangerous in that way, because I do
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people are reading one book and
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Speaker 1: then saying I'm a teacher or I'm a spiritual teacher.
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Speaker 1: And and I'm not taking away from the fact that
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Speaker 1: they may be on the path, but like the deep
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Speaker 1: spiritual work isn't about the marketable offerings, right, It isn't
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Speaker 1: about um self grandizing, and I think that's something that
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Speaker 1: we all on this path kind of struggle with. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know I need to position myself in a way
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Speaker 1: that people can get this transformative work. But I also
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Speaker 1: don't love the performance aspect of it or the instagrammable
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Speaker 1: way it's done. UM. But I think that the space
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Speaker 1: that you occupy, I really think you're the intersection of
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Speaker 1: these two worlds meeting. And so it's been really incredible
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Speaker 1: to watch. I think we occupy a very interesting space,
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Speaker 1: especially as we are both really rooted in lineage UM
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Speaker 1: and not just in positivity or in like let's feel better.
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well let's get let's get to the
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Speaker 1: deep fibers of God. You know, I think that's kind
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Speaker 1: of how we create a recipe to experience that UM.
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Speaker 1: And so so I think I'm getting around to say, UM,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just want to know how are you
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Speaker 1: in this moment experiencing your personal relationship with your spiritual journey. UM.
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Speaker 1: I do think that that's something that always even volves
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Speaker 1: for us on this path as we let go and
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Speaker 1: take on and also I'm really curious, how are you
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Speaker 1: experiencing this current movement of spirituality as someone who is
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Speaker 1: definitely connecting powerfully to gen Z and millennial millennial audiences,
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Speaker 1: but someone that is also like ancient. I love this.
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Speaker 1: And you know, there's a story about about the Buddha
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Speaker 1: that there's a story that I want to share that
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Speaker 1: there was a woman, um a young woman, washing clothes
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Speaker 1: on a rooftop and he was giving one of his
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Speaker 1: first uh sermons. You know, he's giving one of his
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Speaker 1: first teachings and the woman had never practiced, had no
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Speaker 1: spiritual context in this lifetime that she was aware of.
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Speaker 1: She heard the words, she heard a few words, and
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Speaker 1: the very moment she unlocked everything that was locked inside
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Speaker 1: of her. She became free and completely liberated with just
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Speaker 1: a few words. So I do believe. And the reason
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Speaker 1: why I'm talented stories because going back to the thing
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Speaker 1: where where it is very harmful and very very profoundly dangerous,
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Speaker 1: because spirituality is cool now and it is trendy, and
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Speaker 1: it is the the sexy hot new topic like breaking
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Speaker 1: generational curses is that hot things? Yo? God, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, there's really do you know
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Speaker 1: what that takes. So we're looking at something. The reason
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Speaker 1: why I tell that stories because you know, my prayer
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Speaker 1: and my wishes that perhaps the people can read one book,
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Speaker 1: and they can go to one meditation retreat, and they
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Speaker 1: could sit one time. And my prayer is that there's
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Speaker 1: their their conditions, the cosmic condition are so are so
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Speaker 1: ready that it ripes into complete liberation. They could read
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Speaker 1: one book, they could sit for one meditation, they could
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Speaker 1: listen to one teaching and all of a sudden, is
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Speaker 1: all of it just unlocked completely. So I'm having for
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Speaker 1: but it just I'm saying this, so I hope that
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Speaker 1: that's the case, right, that their karma is their karma
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Speaker 1: is so right that it would just takes one time
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Speaker 1: for full full unlocking. It hasn't been the case for me, right,
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Speaker 1: I had to go through so much ship to be
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Speaker 1: you know, so far from enlightened and have a degree
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Speaker 1: of wisdom that I can educate and inspire other people. Right, um,
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Speaker 1: And and it's also important to say that I never
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Speaker 1: planned of being a spiritual teacher. It was it was
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Speaker 1: kind of the thing where I went into spirituality. And
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Speaker 1: you and I shared about this a lot before and
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Speaker 1: you've talked spoke about this earlier on. It's we enter
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Speaker 1: into spirituality either out of privilege, because we have all
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Speaker 1: of our basic needs are taking care of, so we
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Speaker 1: have the money, we have the house, we have, all
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Speaker 1: the things are working. And then it's like what else
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Speaker 1: is there? And then you start to be curious about
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Speaker 1: the matters of the heart. You start to be curious
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Speaker 1: about the unseen world. You start to be curious about
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Speaker 1: about the gods and goddess, angelic beings. Thetis Darren protectors
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Speaker 1: that because that keens all the Buddhies. Start to be
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Speaker 1: curious about the things that you know. You can't see
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Speaker 1: what the eyes in your face, but you experience them.
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Speaker 1: So privilege opens with dark for that. And now there's
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Speaker 1: a whole other side of it which is out of despair,
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Speaker 1: out of desperation, which which was my case, um, in
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Speaker 1: your case too, we were we were in this position
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Speaker 1: in our lives that we're desperate, uh, feeling completely inadequate, deficient, broken.
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Speaker 1: The The overarching thing for me was just feeling like
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Speaker 1: I was an innately bad person and having that shame
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Speaker 1: monster kind of like guiding orient in my mind, my
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Speaker 1: words and my actions. Um, it was very heavy. So
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Speaker 1: the the sense that I was innately a bad person,
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Speaker 1: then you ended up creating the self fulfilling prophecy for
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Speaker 1: yourself that you are then you know, creating every single
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Speaker 1: potential circumstances to validate that feeling that you are innately bad.
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Speaker 1: So then you're it becomes it becomes a psycho of misery. Right,
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Speaker 1: So going going back, I mean, you've said so many
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Speaker 1: different things that I just want to sort of like
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Speaker 1: unpack a little bit. So I think, um, I think, um,
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Speaker 1: when when? And then to go back to like another
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Speaker 1: point that you said, like where am I at with
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Speaker 1: like my spiritual currently my relationship to my spiritual practice,
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Speaker 1: And um, I go through phases when I become staggering
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Speaker 1: into my practice right where like I the routine of
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Speaker 1: the spiritual work, I enter to what we call like
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Speaker 1: sacred boredom, and then I'm like, okay, sacred boardoms here,
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Speaker 1: all right, And then I aggate back for a little while.
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Speaker 1: You know, I navigate sacred boarding for a little because
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Speaker 1: what happens is when you read your life, when you
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Speaker 1: eradicate your life, when you delete all the knots that
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Speaker 1: are perpetuating toxicity perpetuating gossiping, perpetuating lives, perpetuating um harm.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you when you do a great job
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Speaker 1: at weeding the garden of your of your mind, therefore
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Speaker 1: the garden of your entire our life, of all the
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Speaker 1: things that perpetuate harm um, you reach a point. And
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Speaker 1: there's many layers of this, right, so I'm speaking like
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Speaker 1: into a degree that I've experienced. You reach a point
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Speaker 1: of sacred boredom. And then you and then you ask
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Speaker 1: the teacher or the guru in my case, for more
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Speaker 1: instructions so you can go deeper, so you can actually
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Speaker 1: taste the nectar of the sacred boardom, so you can
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Speaker 1: actually learn something from that space. And then you open
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Speaker 1: to a whole other level of of all the other
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Speaker 1: ways that you're creating harm for yourself, and you're creating
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Speaker 1: harm into the world unintentionally, right we we we we
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Speaker 1: like to think, uh with Buddhist psychology that we're not
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Speaker 1: uh intentionally causing harm. That it's based on this like amnesia,
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Speaker 1: this like forgetfulness that we um that we're that we
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Speaker 1: forgot who we are, We forgot you know, forgetting who
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Speaker 1: who the truth of who we are, and forgetting how
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Speaker 1: to relate to the world causes so much suffering, right,
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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to sort of go around and
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Speaker 1: kind of paint a picture about you know, are Matt.
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Speaker 1: So I did get staggered, and I did reach a
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Speaker 1: point of the sacred BOARDOM and then I got a
22:04
Speaker 1: new set of instructures and I'm on it now. It
22:06
Speaker 1: will take me six years to complete these new set
22:08
Speaker 1: of instructions. Um, just continue to deepen, continue to deepen,
22:13
Speaker 1: and continue to to you know, and these practices, what
22:17
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're they're just showing you your mind.
22:21
Speaker 1: They're showing you the blind spots. They're helping you to
22:24
Speaker 1: like get to know the parts of you that you're
22:26
Speaker 1: still closed off, the parts of you that you're not
22:28
Speaker 1: willing to look at. Um. So that's that's kind of it.
22:34
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I mean does it? Yeah? It
22:38
Speaker 1: makes beautiful sense. I want it somewhere. I want to
22:41
Speaker 1: sit with you, saw and I think I know it's
22:46
Speaker 1: so resonant for me, and I know it's so resonant
22:49
Speaker 1: for people listening. Um. You know, when we talked about
22:53
Speaker 1: that initial entry point to spirituality, that feeling of what
23:00
Speaker 1: I've experienced as a profound against nous of self that
23:05
Speaker 1: you don't even know how to begin to dissolve and unravel.
23:09
Speaker 1: You know, I think that feeling. I would just like
23:11
Speaker 1: to talk about how it felt potentially for you, for
23:15
Speaker 1: us to even get to the point where we were
23:18
Speaker 1: willing to dive into that shadow self. But then also
23:23
Speaker 1: I think the part that's not spoken to enough. Is
23:25
Speaker 1: it really hard? Hell? Yes? But what makes it simpler
23:31
Speaker 1: is that pretty soon you start to find this common thread,
23:36
Speaker 1: this common theme that can either be one the karmic
23:40
Speaker 1: patterning that you're meant to see and understand so you
23:43
Speaker 1: know what your mission on Earth is so that you
23:46
Speaker 1: can begin to transcend it, or two to just notice
23:50
Speaker 1: how often you lie to yourself about yourself and don't
23:53
Speaker 1: know where those lies started. And I think you know
23:56
Speaker 1: what what keeps so many from this path is the
24:02
Speaker 1: level of the judgment for self and the fear of
24:06
Speaker 1: people finding out blank supersedes the desire to feel better,
24:15
Speaker 1: because if you've never felt it, you don't really even
24:17
Speaker 1: fully believe that it's possible or what that feeling could be, Like,
24:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so good. Can I jump
24:25
Speaker 1: in please? I created a piece of content um that
24:32
Speaker 1: I just said, no one's coming to punish you. No
24:35
Speaker 1: one is coming to punish you. And I just repeated
24:38
Speaker 1: that over and over and over and over again. And
24:41
Speaker 1: the RiPP boy fact that he had was was wild.
24:46
Speaker 1: And I think because this the sense, this feeling that
24:50
Speaker 1: we are inadequate, that we're broken, that we are innately
24:53
Speaker 1: bad and undeserving, unloving. We have the sense of someone's
24:57
Speaker 1: coming to find out this this secret about us, this
25:03
Speaker 1: this deficiency about us, and they're here to out us
25:07
Speaker 1: and show the world look at this person. They're so deficient,
25:10
Speaker 1: they're so bad, they're so inadequate, they're so unloving. But
25:13
Speaker 1: the truth is we are the ones that are in
25:17
Speaker 1: this constant, perpetual, you know, state of self punishment. You know,
25:22
Speaker 1: one of the first times that the Lai Lemma came
25:24
Speaker 1: to the United States to speak, he says, you guys
25:26
Speaker 1: have uh and not every every time I speak about
25:29
Speaker 1: my teachers, and every time I share a story on
25:31
Speaker 1: the podcast anywhere, you're always gonna hear through assassi filter. Right,
25:34
Speaker 1: So are always gonna be paraphrasing in a way that
25:37
Speaker 1: I that I I can understand the way that my
25:39
Speaker 1: audience and my students can understand, Right, so that I
25:41
Speaker 1: love us Like, yo, you guys hate yourself so much
25:45
Speaker 1: here in the West. What's up with the self hatred?
25:48
Speaker 1: Because in the in the East and in that part
25:50
Speaker 1: of the world, Um, they're they're mental poisons show up
25:55
Speaker 1: in different ways, right, we do share the same you know,
25:58
Speaker 1: mental poisons all all sent to all human beings, um,
26:03
Speaker 1: But for us in the West, shows up with this
26:05
Speaker 1: like sense of like complete, this desperate need to punish ourselves.
26:10
Speaker 1: And one thing that liberated me was understanding the true
26:13
Speaker 1: meaning of the word forgiveness, just to release the desire
26:19
Speaker 1: to punish. So if you're saying I forgive myself, you're
26:23
Speaker 1: saying I release the desire to punish myself. And at
26:26
Speaker 1: that point you didn't thinking that someone's gonna come to
26:29
Speaker 1: punish you, you know. And then it goes to the
26:31
Speaker 1: next degree. That's that that that another piece of content
26:35
Speaker 1: that I created. It was like, there's nothing wrong with you.
26:37
Speaker 1: There is nothing wrong with you. There is nothing wrong
26:40
Speaker 1: with you. And I'm not speaking to your circumstances. I'm
26:43
Speaker 1: not speaking to your condition. Yes, there's a lot wrong,
26:45
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's potentially wrong there. But the problem
26:48
Speaker 1: is that we feel that there's something innately wrong with
26:51
Speaker 1: us at a core level, and that is just the lie.
26:55
Speaker 1: That is just a faulty lie that's been permeated in
27:00
Speaker 1: to the collective, and we have believed. And when we
27:03
Speaker 1: believe that there's something innately wrong with us at the
27:06
Speaker 1: core of our being, then that breeds shame and hate
27:11
Speaker 1: and harm and this function and this harmony UM, and
27:14
Speaker 1: then we create more of that for ourselves. Right. So
27:18
Speaker 1: the the initial the the initial jump into the path
27:24
Speaker 1: is looking at that. It's looking at how do we
27:27
Speaker 1: relate to ourselves? Is looking at like, who do I
27:30
Speaker 1: think I am at the core of my being? Have
27:33
Speaker 1: I recognized my basic goodness? Have I touched basic goodness?
27:40
Speaker 1: Have I experienced the basic goodness at the base of
27:42
Speaker 1: my being? And unless you have glimpse at that, then
27:46
Speaker 1: you're never capital in. And I have to say, you
27:49
Speaker 1: will never see the benevolence of the goodness out of
27:52
Speaker 1: the world, and you're never going to see the benevolencent
27:54
Speaker 1: goodness in anyone else. That's just how it is. Period.
27:58
Speaker 1: We can do a great job about pretending um, but
28:02
Speaker 1: at the point that pretending culture of good vibes only
28:05
Speaker 1: a positive only of like this is a pretending, a
28:08
Speaker 1: culture of pretending. It's not a it's not a culture
28:10
Speaker 1: of enlightenment, you know, which is what we're what we're
28:13
Speaker 1: We're here trying to get people to restand. Yes, your
28:16
Speaker 1: circumstances are sucked up. Yes, your your conditioning is is
28:20
Speaker 1: struggling and so traumatic, and yes you've lived a life
28:24
Speaker 1: of so much pain and harm. But none of that
28:27
Speaker 1: has has has changed the essence of who you are.
28:31
Speaker 1: None of that has touched the core of we are,
28:33
Speaker 1: none of it. And we also have to remember that
28:36
Speaker 1: like a dark cloud can't hurt the sky. And once
28:42
Speaker 1: we once we recognize that, that's then we have this
28:44
Speaker 1: spacious awareness. Then we have the the openness two glimpse
28:50
Speaker 1: of how vast our inner world is and how powerful
28:54
Speaker 1: what we call in the in the literatures our buddh
28:56
Speaker 1: and nature is, you know, our true our true nature
29:00
Speaker 1: is how how how miraculous and untouched it is, it's unfazed.
29:06
Speaker 1: And our work is to you know, two, the layer,
29:10
Speaker 1: you know, to peel away the layers of conditioning, and
29:13
Speaker 1: then to uncover more of that. And the seed is there, right,
29:16
Speaker 1: the seed is never is never torn. But it is
29:20
Speaker 1: our job to develop it. You know, it is our
29:23
Speaker 1: job to take care of our inner worlds, like we
29:25
Speaker 1: have to become master botanists, you know, we have to
29:29
Speaker 1: become master gardeners of our inner world, Like we have
29:32
Speaker 1: to every single day go into the garden of our
29:34
Speaker 1: mind and weed out seeds of suffering, seeds of despair,
29:37
Speaker 1: seeds of depression, seeds of anxiety, seeds of addiction. And
29:40
Speaker 1: what are the seeds of love, compassion, wisdom and joy?
29:44
Speaker 1: Um I spoke about this today. Actually, you can't meditate
29:47
Speaker 1: once a week and expect things to change. You can't
29:49
Speaker 1: eat one health in me and expect things to change.
29:51
Speaker 1: You can't exercise once once in a whine and expect
29:54
Speaker 1: things to change. Like but you do a great job
29:57
Speaker 1: at brushing your teeth every day, in your hair every day,
30:01
Speaker 1: putting on a whole look every day, giving a full
30:04
Speaker 1: face to the outside world. But you're you're allowing only
30:09
Speaker 1: what you see, you know, eyes with eyes in your
30:11
Speaker 1: face to dictate the quality of your life. But you're
30:14
Speaker 1: your your your misinterpreting, and you're forgetting that what you
30:18
Speaker 1: can't see, what the eyes in your face, you're inner
30:20
Speaker 1: world really is what dictates the quality of your life period.
30:25
Speaker 1: So there's a lot, there's a lot there that we
30:27
Speaker 1: could that we could talk about. But I think understanding
30:32
Speaker 1: how to relate to our basic goodness is very vital.
30:35
Speaker 1: And I see so much in the world of Instagram well,
30:39
Speaker 1: and it's instag in spirutuality, people saying this person's toxic.
30:43
Speaker 1: Have these boundaries protect yourself, and these people are this
30:46
Speaker 1: thing and those people are that thing. It's like, this
30:49
Speaker 1: is this limited approach, you know, it's it's keeping us separate,
30:53
Speaker 1: it's keeping us in dualism, it's keeping us in this
30:56
Speaker 1: binary approach. It's keeping us um in every patch of
31:00
Speaker 1: state of pain. You know, like that does that make sense? Yes?
31:09
Speaker 1: Are you really asking that that make sense? You know?
31:13
Speaker 1: I'm so I've just been I've just been so trained
31:16
Speaker 1: with my teachers to always ask every every time you
31:18
Speaker 1: feel like you finished something, to always say, are recommunicating?
31:21
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Are real landing? Are re arriving somewhere?
31:24
Speaker 1: Because there's so much and I see so often, So
31:28
Speaker 1: it's it's part partially me asking that. It's just my
31:30
Speaker 1: conditioning um, because when we're speaking in large audiences and
31:35
Speaker 1: we ask people what is meditation? Oh, it's it's I
31:38
Speaker 1: meditate what I'm painting. Okay, so you've never meditated before? Then?
31:42
Speaker 1: Oh what is compassion? Oh, it's it's it's that you know,
31:45
Speaker 1: it's that love that I have for my children. Oh
31:47
Speaker 1: so you have never experienced compassion. So it's the reason
31:51
Speaker 1: why I'm always saying, does that make sense? Very communicator arriving,
31:54
Speaker 1: because it's we have such mismisguided meanings for a very profound,
32:00
Speaker 1: simple topics that I'm always like, girl, we arrive somewhere, Honey,
32:03
Speaker 1: are we Lendy? Are we there yet? You know that? No?
32:06
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for that because I think what's
32:08
Speaker 1: so important too with this work it is checking in
32:12
Speaker 1: and not assuming that people understand what we're talking about,
32:16
Speaker 1: and not just as teachers, but even in the conversations
32:19
Speaker 1: we have with our families, right, because everyone's lens of
32:22
Speaker 1: hearing or receiving a message is always peppered with life experience.
32:27
Speaker 1: It's always you know, I could use I could use
32:30
Speaker 1: the word love, and for someone else that could have
32:32
Speaker 1: been a word that was weaponized and brings up a
32:34
Speaker 1: completely different feeling or understanding. Right. So no, I'm grateful
32:39
Speaker 1: for that. But I think really when when you ask
32:41
Speaker 1: me that question, I was also like, I just ate
32:45
Speaker 1: a feast. I need a second. That was such a
32:51
Speaker 1: glorious feast. Saw, it was such a glorious feast, truly,
32:56
Speaker 1: and I think, you know it really it really hits,
33:00
Speaker 1: it really hits the nail on the head. I think
33:04
Speaker 1: of how I'd at least really hope and desire for
33:08
Speaker 1: people to begin to explore themselves. You know, Um, I
33:12
Speaker 1: think for us, and this is something that we speak to.
33:14
Speaker 1: And this is not at all a judgment of anybody
33:17
Speaker 1: that's led to do anything, because everything is in divine
33:22
Speaker 1: time and in divine order, and so you know, I
33:25
Speaker 1: think there's still lots of purpose. Everything is getting young, right,
33:29
Speaker 1: so there is like the pieces we resonate with and
33:31
Speaker 1: the pieces that we don't. No industry alive is devoid
33:34
Speaker 1: of that. No, no personal family structure, um, but something
33:39
Speaker 1: we do speak to it It is that I you know,
33:41
Speaker 1: I worry because I think that I think people I
33:46
Speaker 1: think there is some weaponizing of spirituality that in fact
33:51
Speaker 1: is spiritual narcissism and spiritual bypassing. And I think a
33:55
Speaker 1: lot of people are performatively regurgitating information they've heard the
34:00
Speaker 1: embodiment stage is so important. Everyone has to experience it.
34:05
Speaker 1: Now that may not be in alignment with how quickly
34:08
Speaker 1: you'd like to make money in this space, or how
34:11
Speaker 1: quickly you'd like to prepare you know, potentially some coursework
34:14
Speaker 1: or some you know, different offerings. Yeah, because you're also
34:20
Speaker 1: messing with your karma. You're also really messing with your
34:23
Speaker 1: karma if you were entering other people's minds and heart
34:26
Speaker 1: spaces and are not fully equipped to do so, and
34:29
Speaker 1: there's no shame in it, and it's okay it comes.
34:33
Speaker 1: But you have to embody your own healing to even
34:36
Speaker 1: understand how the healing works so that you can extend
34:40
Speaker 1: it to others. You know, And even healing has been
34:43
Speaker 1: so like appropriated, like that word. It's like, you know,
34:46
Speaker 1: healing isn't just saying like, yes, I've healed that, or
34:49
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm in forgiveness like healing that. Truly,
34:53
Speaker 1: if we're gonna go there, let's go deep for a second.
34:58
Speaker 1: When I heal some of my greatest trauma, I have
35:02
Speaker 1: restructured my cells. I have redesigned myself energetically, physically, biologically,
35:10
Speaker 1: as well as in the ethers, as well as as
35:13
Speaker 1: it relates to my karma and my course curriculum as
35:17
Speaker 1: a soul that is not attached to a body. But
35:19
Speaker 1: then I've also healed the body, and so that doesn't
35:23
Speaker 1: happen after reading one book. Potentially it could listen there
35:26
Speaker 1: are you know, there are a few, but you know,
35:30
Speaker 1: one and seven billion potentially, But you know, and so
35:34
Speaker 1: I think that is part of the grace that we
35:36
Speaker 1: extend to ourselves to knowing that every layer that we're
35:39
Speaker 1: able to access in ourselves through our practice, there's also
35:43
Speaker 1: opportunity to deepen it. I've revisited healing recently around certain
35:48
Speaker 1: ages that I thought I was fully integrated with because
35:53
Speaker 1: I started working on it ten years ago and I
35:57
Speaker 1: was for the versions of myself that I've been thus
36:00
Speaker 1: are this new DEVI It requires something else. So there
36:03
Speaker 1: was little small refinements that came on that same lesson.
36:07
Speaker 1: There were new interpretations based on who I am now
36:10
Speaker 1: that further inform who I'm able to be in the
36:13
Speaker 1: world and how I'm able to teach. And so you know,
36:16
Speaker 1: it's just at least the way that I'm experiencing. Um.
36:19
Speaker 1: I think we kind of started this beautiful piece really
36:22
Speaker 1: an understanding that the grandest barrier to our own healing
36:28
Speaker 1: is our own against us, of ourselves. But then it's
36:32
Speaker 1: it's still even as you're healing, knowing that there is
36:35
Speaker 1: always opportunity to deepen it. There is all like the
36:39
Speaker 1: amount of layers that we can come through on the
36:42
Speaker 1: same subject are endless, they're bountiful um, and so surrendering
36:47
Speaker 1: to that as part of the journey is where the
36:50
Speaker 1: gift is. But if we're so consumed with our ego identification,
36:54
Speaker 1: with how together we are, how healed we are, even
36:56
Speaker 1: how much spiritual knowledge we have, if you could be
37:00
Speaker 1: practicing this work for fifty years and there's still more
37:05
Speaker 1: places for you to go with it, there's still more
37:07
Speaker 1: to be learned, there's still new opportunities to transform even
37:11
Speaker 1: the smallest pieces, because if there weren't, you would not
37:15
Speaker 1: be occupying space on Earth right now. If there's tension
37:19
Speaker 1: in the mind, and if there's tension in the body,
37:23
Speaker 1: there's work to do, you know, just like use that
37:26
Speaker 1: as your guiding force, as your orientention. You know, if
37:29
Speaker 1: there is any sort of tension and the minder and
37:32
Speaker 1: a body, there's work to be done, There's liberation to
37:36
Speaker 1: be had, there's revelations to be experienced, you know, So
37:40
Speaker 1: think about it like that, and and and when there's tension,
37:43
Speaker 1: there's attachment. When there's attachment, there's a version. When there's
37:47
Speaker 1: a version, there's ignorance. So you're looking at the poisons, right, Attachment,
37:51
Speaker 1: a version, and ignorance the root cause of all of
37:54
Speaker 1: our suffering. Um So, what we're looking at the at
37:57
Speaker 1: the sort of like trifecta of poison. The way for
38:02
Speaker 1: you to realize if you still have ignorance inside of you,
38:04
Speaker 1: you have attachment inside of youth used to have a
38:07
Speaker 1: version inside of you. And I know attachment is in
38:10
Speaker 1: in the in the psychological the modern psychological space. It's
38:16
Speaker 1: used as sometimes as a healthy thing. I have a
38:20
Speaker 1: healthy attachment. But according to the Buddha, who I believe
38:24
Speaker 1: is one of the first psychologists psychoanalysts, um attachment is
38:28
Speaker 1: this insatiable thirst. You know, it's just like insatiable craving,
38:33
Speaker 1: this desperate need to change our experiences, this um this
38:38
Speaker 1: sense of this satisfaction. It's always pervasive. You know, if
38:43
Speaker 1: there is that there's work to be done, you know,
38:46
Speaker 1: um so e gauging the assension and my attention about it,
38:49
Speaker 1: then there's still ignorance, there's still attachment, there's still a version. Um.
38:52
Speaker 1: So just when you're thinking about attachment, you want to
38:56
Speaker 1: use the word that the Buddha use. We're looking at
38:59
Speaker 1: this like pervasive sense gratification. We are we're misinterpreting a
39:04
Speaker 1: sugar rush for genuine happiness. So we have to just
39:09
Speaker 1: keep thinking about it like that. Um. I have so
39:11
Speaker 1: much attachment, that's so much a versions, so much ignorous
39:15
Speaker 1: to go. And what I do have now is it's
39:19
Speaker 1: a quick way back into the center. That's what I have.
39:23
Speaker 1: It's I I don't dwell in either extremes attachment meaning
39:28
Speaker 1: I need this cake and I need to eat the
39:30
Speaker 1: entire cake, or a version get this person away from me.
39:32
Speaker 1: They're just so cause of my measure pushed that person far,
39:35
Speaker 1: far far away from me. I don't go into those
39:39
Speaker 1: extremes for too long. That's what I have now. You know,
39:43
Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's a couple of hours, sometimes it's thirty minutes.
39:46
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's literally one breath and I'm back in my center. Um.
39:51
Speaker 1: And you know, there's there was maybe a couple of
39:55
Speaker 1: years that I spent with suicide of depression, still deep
39:58
Speaker 1: in my practice, you going into ashrooms and monasteries and
40:02
Speaker 1: seeing the groups and practicing, practicing, practicing become I became
40:06
Speaker 1: like a ceaseless prayer, you know. And that's how he
40:09
Speaker 1: sort of like erupted the next stage of my evolution.
40:12
Speaker 1: That's how I've really found my center. But I did
40:14
Speaker 1: spend a couple of years, uh, profoundly dark years where
40:19
Speaker 1: suicidal thoughts were like every third thought was like, there's
40:22
Speaker 1: no point, just just do it, just go and planning
40:25
Speaker 1: and that kind of I'm thinking. But now it's not
40:30
Speaker 1: there anymore. Even when those thoughts do visit way, even
40:32
Speaker 1: when there is, um something really traumatic happening in our
40:37
Speaker 1: in my in my inner world, in my external world,
40:40
Speaker 1: I have the ability to find my center. Yeah that okay,
40:45
Speaker 1: hold on, we sit in here, because that is hold
40:55
Speaker 1: that thought, we are coming right back. H That is
41:08
Speaker 1: so beyond powerful and I think so resonant for so
41:11
Speaker 1: many What does that I'd be grateful for any deeper
41:20
Speaker 1: insights saw into how you held space for yourself in
41:23
Speaker 1: that way while navigating truly um, you know, some of
41:29
Speaker 1: the darkest emotions that are available to us in human form,
41:33
Speaker 1: but also still being active in your present, like those
41:37
Speaker 1: are in your practice. Excuse me, those are such opposite
41:42
Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum or maybe not, you know, so,
41:45
Speaker 1: just any any thoughts on the way that you experienced
41:50
Speaker 1: a container that complex. There's a lot of there's there's
41:55
Speaker 1: a lot of layers, right, So I'm gonna try to
41:57
Speaker 1: just kind of like go piece by peace and maybe
42:01
Speaker 1: I'll cover, you know, ground enough that people are gonna
42:05
Speaker 1: be like, oh, ship, that's juicy, I can use that.
42:08
Speaker 1: Um First, when you're experiencing suicidal ideation, you have to
42:11
Speaker 1: recognize it's not your whole self that wants to die.
42:14
Speaker 1: It's a part of you that's ready to die. The
42:16
Speaker 1: problem is we're holding on to an identity. We're holding
42:20
Speaker 1: onto a past version of ourselves, and we can't hold
42:23
Speaker 1: onto the past. You know, leaves fall off the tree,
42:27
Speaker 1: and the tree is not reaching down trying to hold
42:29
Speaker 1: onto the leaves they're falling. That's what we're doing. You know.
42:32
Speaker 1: That causes so much pain. We're not moving with the
42:36
Speaker 1: transient nature of life. We're not moving with the changing
42:39
Speaker 1: nature of all of life. That causes a lot of
42:42
Speaker 1: imbalance in the mind and the body. Right, So, suicidal ideation,
42:47
Speaker 1: at its core, it's it's you. It's it's it's actually
42:51
Speaker 1: a revelatory, liberatory process because you're recognize, you're in full
42:56
Speaker 1: recognition that some part of you is ready to die.
42:58
Speaker 1: So it's it's being anointed by death, which is opens
43:03
Speaker 1: you up to to realize how holy and how miraculous
43:06
Speaker 1: and how grand and powerful you really are. So we
43:09
Speaker 1: have that as a context foundation, right, then we have
43:13
Speaker 1: to use the power of self something of of of
43:17
Speaker 1: of comforting ourselves, of becoming our own best friend. So
43:21
Speaker 1: one thing a mantra that I use is I make
43:24
Speaker 1: peace with this feeling. I make peace with this feeling.
43:29
Speaker 1: And um, it's worked wonders for me. It's literally been
43:33
Speaker 1: like a magic pill. And I there's there's Usually you
43:36
Speaker 1: will never hear me say there's a magic pill, because
43:38
Speaker 1: there's like a multiplicity of of of of things that
43:42
Speaker 1: have to come to into synergy, into congruency in order
43:46
Speaker 1: for unlocking to happen. But the simple set of words
43:50
Speaker 1: and make peace with this feeling opens the door for
43:53
Speaker 1: for that feeling to die, for that feeling to move,
43:56
Speaker 1: for something else to come up. Right, you, when you're
43:58
Speaker 1: saying and make peace with this to your your you're
44:01
Speaker 1: putting your finger on the pole. So everyone who I
44:06
Speaker 1: love and everyone who I don't love will be born,
44:10
Speaker 1: will die, and we'll be reborn again. Right, this this
44:13
Speaker 1: sort of cycle of life, death and rebirth. When you
44:16
Speaker 1: were saying, I make peace with the ceiling, you're you're
44:18
Speaker 1: you're coming in close contact, you're intimately experience the transient
44:22
Speaker 1: nature of all of life. Right because you're saying, Okay,
44:24
Speaker 1: thank you, you came. You taught me a lesson. I've
44:27
Speaker 1: learned the less of integrated the lesson. I'll thank you
44:29
Speaker 1: very much. Be well now, so I make this with
44:31
Speaker 1: that with this feeling opens the door for that. And
44:33
Speaker 1: I usually put like right hand over my chest, left
44:36
Speaker 1: hand over my belly, or both hands over my heart whatever,
44:40
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's in my throat and the back
44:42
Speaker 1: wherever you are experiencing this intense sensation, this feeling, go there,
44:48
Speaker 1: and then the next stage is to is to do
44:50
Speaker 1: your best effort to start to this mental the feelings
44:55
Speaker 1: the emotions from the stories, like drop the story right,
45:00
Speaker 1: be with the feeling. Drop the story, be with the feeling.
45:04
Speaker 1: And I believe I learned this from premature drunk uh
45:07
Speaker 1: pamma is an impectable Buddhist teacher. Um, I believe I
45:10
Speaker 1: learned that from her. I'm not sure exactly. This is
45:13
Speaker 1: very big in Buddhist psychology to dismantle, right, because in
45:17
Speaker 1: Buddhist psychology, what some of the literature says that feelings
45:20
Speaker 1: arise first, and then thoughts claim the meaning of that feeling,
45:24
Speaker 1: and then we speak or we and we act. Right. So,
45:28
Speaker 1: one thing that I heard a story about the Buddha
45:30
Speaker 1: that one of the things that he noticed when he
45:32
Speaker 1: became fully in line, he said he could see thoughts
45:34
Speaker 1: before they manifest. How wonderful would that be, you know,
45:37
Speaker 1: to be able to see a motherfucker turn in the
45:39
Speaker 1: corner before it hits you, You know what I mean?
45:42
Speaker 1: I like that? So thinking about it like that, you know?
45:45
Speaker 1: So this mentally feelings from thoughts, right, because the feeling,
45:52
Speaker 1: that sensation in the body. Um, oftentimes we have a
45:57
Speaker 1: hard wired story associated to that. Even years after I
46:01
Speaker 1: had to transformed my mind and liberated myself from suicide
46:04
Speaker 1: of ideation, when I had that buzzing, yucky anxiety in
46:08
Speaker 1: my belly, there was still a few times that the
46:10
Speaker 1: initial store will be oak side of thoughts. Oh that
46:14
Speaker 1: this feeling is this, this narrative. This feeling is situated
46:17
Speaker 1: with this story. So what I want you to do
46:20
Speaker 1: is I want you to um relearn how to breathe
46:24
Speaker 1: in such a way like and I say relearn is
46:27
Speaker 1: go instead of breathing twelve to sixteen times per minute,
46:30
Speaker 1: which is the ordinarily anxious, depressed breath, which is very covicular,
46:35
Speaker 1: very short and shallow breath, and entered to the healing breath,
46:38
Speaker 1: which is four to six times per minutes, which is
46:40
Speaker 1: the very deep abdominal belly breath. Right. Relearn how to
46:46
Speaker 1: breathe so much so that when an intense feeling arises,
46:49
Speaker 1: you have enough what we say is equanimity, right psychological
46:53
Speaker 1: stability to be with the feeling and not get taken
46:57
Speaker 1: by the stories associated with it. And the only way
47:00
Speaker 1: for you to create the container, your inner working stage
47:03
Speaker 1: and your inner container for you to be able to
47:05
Speaker 1: do that is accessing a healing breath. That's how I
47:09
Speaker 1: seem to work um So, and then I mean, so
47:13
Speaker 1: we're looking at being anointed by death. We're looking at
47:16
Speaker 1: um making making peace with it, with the feeling I
47:18
Speaker 1: make peace with the feeling that we're looking at dismantling
47:21
Speaker 1: feelings with the narrative. Um. These are some of the
47:24
Speaker 1: ways that have really helped me to to this mantle, UM,
47:29
Speaker 1: how I relate to challenging feelings. And this is the
47:32
Speaker 1: way that I started to to change how I relate
47:34
Speaker 1: to um to the idea that certain feelings are o
47:37
Speaker 1: kay to have in certain feelings are not you know,
47:39
Speaker 1: these are good feelings, are bad feelings. And then I
47:42
Speaker 1: entered to this next stage of my evolution where like
47:46
Speaker 1: all feelings are welcome. It's really it's really what I
47:49
Speaker 1: make out of it, you know. And then we recognize
47:52
Speaker 1: that we it's because of our condition, because of our
47:55
Speaker 1: past pain and and and all of our karma where
48:00
Speaker 1: hatching certain meaning to certain experiences, right. Um. And it's
48:04
Speaker 1: very interesting when you study trauma and you work with
48:06
Speaker 1: with Polly trauma survivors. Right, some people have had the
48:10
Speaker 1: most horrific experiences, and these motherfuckers are thriving. Someone might
48:17
Speaker 1: say that that one thing that that happened to them
48:20
Speaker 1: is a hundred it's a fifty weight or a hundredweight.
48:24
Speaker 1: And for that person who's had to Polly trauma, multiple
48:26
Speaker 1: traumas happened to them, you know, So it's all relative.
48:30
Speaker 1: What I'm speaking to. It's like, it's really like the
48:32
Speaker 1: meaning that you give is based on the depth of
48:35
Speaker 1: your liberation, you know, So thinking about it like that, um,
48:39
Speaker 1: and I know it's kind of black and white, and
48:41
Speaker 1: I don't like to give black and white teachers, but
48:42
Speaker 1: sometimes you really have to sort of like enter to
48:45
Speaker 1: that space and be like, Okay, I'm associating negative, destructive,
48:49
Speaker 1: harmful meaning to every single circumstance in my life, to
48:52
Speaker 1: every single feeling, to every single thought, to every single thing.
48:55
Speaker 1: And I'm and you're telling everybody else in yourself that
48:58
Speaker 1: you're doing the work. I'm gonna challenge you and say, Babe,
49:02
Speaker 1: if you're associating these harmful meanings to every single thing
49:06
Speaker 1: in your internal, internal life and external life as bad, harmful, destructive,
49:11
Speaker 1: then you gotta pivot your inner life. Your inner work
49:14
Speaker 1: needs a change. And what I always tell people is like,
49:18
Speaker 1: focus on the simplicity, focus on repetitive of simple practice.
49:24
Speaker 1: You know, repetition of simplicity leads celeberation. Coming back to that, right,
49:30
Speaker 1: coming back to that, Repetition of simplicity leads celeberation. So
49:34
Speaker 1: if I'm if any of these things that I offer
49:36
Speaker 1: you today, they land, do them consistently for a few years.
49:40
Speaker 1: Don't try to go to another podcast, to another book,
49:43
Speaker 1: to another this sort of it's stop approaching healing through
49:46
Speaker 1: a consumeristic, capitalistic approach. Like you know, when I used
49:50
Speaker 1: to work in fashion, I used to like literally go
49:53
Speaker 1: every season, good at the whole closet, and I have
49:56
Speaker 1: to go and get a whole new thing, and get
49:58
Speaker 1: a whole new season, get a whole new war drop
50:00
Speaker 1: and get a whole new You know, there's no I
50:02
Speaker 1: couldn't work with the same tools in every single season.
50:07
Speaker 1: But in the spiritual work, we have to recognize that
50:10
Speaker 1: there is a set of simple practices that work for
50:13
Speaker 1: us in every season and certain seasons. The way these
50:17
Speaker 1: simple practices will work for you will give you more.
50:21
Speaker 1: They will open you up to deeper and deeper seats
50:23
Speaker 1: of awakening because those seasons are lighter um and there's
50:27
Speaker 1: more blossoming, there's a bigger harvest. Some seasons are darker
50:31
Speaker 1: and more intense and more challenging, and there's not as
50:33
Speaker 1: much blossoming. That doesn't mean that these simple practice are
50:36
Speaker 1: is not working. It just means you gotta ride the way.
50:40
Speaker 1: You know, nothing blooms all year but the simplicity of
50:43
Speaker 1: the practice what I need people to recognize it. If
50:46
Speaker 1: there's anything that I teach, they that lands for people.
50:48
Speaker 1: Focus on simplicity. And it may be like, SA, what
50:51
Speaker 1: are who are you saying that? When you are when
50:53
Speaker 1: you study Vidrayana, which is such a complex, mystical you know,
50:57
Speaker 1: a tradition that's so much richer, there's so so many
51:00
Speaker 1: you know, bells and whistles and so many layers to it. Yeah.
51:04
Speaker 1: I didn't start there. I didn't start there, you know
51:06
Speaker 1: what I mean. I started with zen, I I moved.
51:09
Speaker 1: I started with just the breath, just the concentration technique,
51:13
Speaker 1: just you know, it's the simplicity to then build, then
51:16
Speaker 1: you build. That's that's that's really I think thinking about
51:21
Speaker 1: the container to liberation in very dark seasons, very challenging seasons. Um, simplicity,
51:28
Speaker 1: but consistency. Stop being consistent to your pain narrative. Be
51:33
Speaker 1: consistent to uncovering your truth. You know. Um, I think
51:37
Speaker 1: we see so much in the world today and I
51:40
Speaker 1: applaud it. I think it's brave that people are using there,
51:44
Speaker 1: are approaching their pain narratives and their mental health issues. UM.
51:53
Speaker 1: From a brave perspective, what is what? What do I
51:55
Speaker 1: mean by that that they're speaking about? It's a very brave.
51:58
Speaker 1: And then there is there the spiritual point that has
52:01
Speaker 1: to come into the picture. There is the stop over
52:03
Speaker 1: the identifying with your depression, stop over the identifying with
52:07
Speaker 1: your addiction, stop over the identifying with your anxiety. Yes,
52:11
Speaker 1: a part of me is experiencing depression, A part of
52:14
Speaker 1: me is anxious, part of me is addictive. But that
52:17
Speaker 1: part of you isn't the whole of you are. And
52:19
Speaker 1: I always remember that. I always remember that, right, you know,
52:22
Speaker 1: like it's it's a part of me. It's not the
52:23
Speaker 1: whole of who I am like that like that. Mm hmm, wow,
52:35
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you, thank you, thank you,
52:39
Speaker 1: thank you. That was mm hmm. Girl, you let me speak, honey,
52:46
Speaker 1: she goes off, she goes off on me over here.
52:52
Speaker 1: It was just so masterful, so masterful, so beautiful what
52:58
Speaker 1: you shared, so tan dorble. I feel that everything that
53:02
Speaker 1: you just said could be smell, tasted, scene, felt um,
53:10
Speaker 1: And I think I'm just kind of I can't help myself.
53:14
Speaker 1: My body just responds by closing my eyes. You guys
53:16
Speaker 1: can't hear me listening, but I had my eyes closed
53:19
Speaker 1: for like ten minutes, um. But that's how I connect
53:23
Speaker 1: and I hear God and it just you know, so
53:25
Speaker 1: I think that I think everything you just stared shared
53:31
Speaker 1: perfectly expressed. Why you are who you are, why you
53:36
Speaker 1: are where you are, and how necessary, how beautifully necessary
53:43
Speaker 1: your mind, your heart, your work, art to this world.
53:48
Speaker 1: Thank you if I love it, thank you, thank you,
53:50
Speaker 1: thank you. Can I share a little something please that
53:54
Speaker 1: we didn't get to talk about when you mentioned the book.
53:57
Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy was born out of a desperate need to
54:06
Speaker 1: show that the spiritual path, that the path of liberation,
54:11
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be rooted on zombies in this forced seriousness.
54:18
Speaker 1: You know, someone makes a beautiful joke and you're like
54:21
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Someone plays beautiful music, and you just kind
54:24
Speaker 1: of move, you know, like very lightly. You don't really
54:28
Speaker 1: enjoy the beach. You don't allow your body to be
54:30
Speaker 1: moved by it. Someone speaks beautiful poetry into the world,
54:35
Speaker 1: and you don't really allow yourself to be moved. And
54:38
Speaker 1: you think that dressing in that way and speaking in
54:42
Speaker 1: the in in in a certain way, and and looking
54:45
Speaker 1: spiritual and speaking spiritual and eating spiritual, and and you know,
54:50
Speaker 1: you're you're utilizing this this um, this facade um which
54:57
Speaker 1: I call zombie sin, which I was for a wife.
54:59
Speaker 1: You saw me in India a few years ago, girl,
55:01
Speaker 1: I was that, you know, wearing all white, with the
55:04
Speaker 1: all the mala beads, with all the crystals, you know,
55:06
Speaker 1: bare feet, like the whole thing. I was giving the
55:09
Speaker 1: whole Lookie Bevy Brown would walk by and I could,
55:11
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give her a compliment. I would just be like,
55:13
Speaker 1: mm hmm. But now I see that being like, bitch,
55:16
Speaker 1: you're fucking legend, iconic, delicious, You're seducing the gods, you're
55:20
Speaker 1: changing the paradigm, you're literally giving life to the world.
55:24
Speaker 1: I will never stop myself from from offering poetry, from
55:28
Speaker 1: offering compliment in that way, you know. But I was.
55:32
Speaker 1: I was so caught up in what I had believed
55:36
Speaker 1: a spiritual seeker should look like, should sound like. And
55:41
Speaker 1: because that's what I that's what I was like normalized
55:43
Speaker 1: in the space. Right look a look this way, speak
55:46
Speaker 1: that way, eat this way. Just fit the mold of
55:49
Speaker 1: the zombies in and there's nothing wrong with that. Um.
55:53
Speaker 1: And if you're looking for something else, if you're looking
55:57
Speaker 1: for a home, that you haven't found out there before.
56:01
Speaker 1: Maybe spiritual Sassy's for you, you know, um and and
56:04
Speaker 1: so that's kind of like the dismantling that this zombies
56:09
Speaker 1: then is. You know, the more zombies than you are,
56:12
Speaker 1: the more spiritually liberated you are. I'm on the other
56:15
Speaker 1: side saying, the bigger your smile is, you know, the
56:19
Speaker 1: more your presence radiates joy, the more you emanate creativity
56:25
Speaker 1: and curiosity and beauty, the more liberated you are. Um. So,
56:30
Speaker 1: But and then there's this, you know, there's a little
56:33
Speaker 1: bit of a great area, like a muddy area with this.
56:35
Speaker 1: People think that it's about then looking great. Yes, look great,
56:40
Speaker 1: give a fantasy, you know, put on a fantasy to
56:43
Speaker 1: the world that's beautiful. But but make sure that you're
56:45
Speaker 1: inner world matches that make sure that you're inner world
56:49
Speaker 1: is incongruency with what you're putting out into the world.
56:53
Speaker 1: So spiritually Sassy is about, you know, feeling great, looking great,
56:58
Speaker 1: and most importantly doing great. Like understanding that the whole
57:02
Speaker 1: purpose of the path is to become more altruistic, you know,
57:06
Speaker 1: is to really understand that happiness is not in what
57:09
Speaker 1: I shared earlier, in the in the sense gratifications happiness
57:13
Speaker 1: is not about pleasing our sense about seeing nice things
57:16
Speaker 1: here nice things, tasting nice things, um, smelling nice things,
57:20
Speaker 1: feeling nice things, thinking that. It's not about that. It's
57:23
Speaker 1: not about quenching the thirst of our senses. Right, happiness
57:27
Speaker 1: about serving others. Genuine happiness only arise at the base
57:31
Speaker 1: of your being in service to others. Period. People don't
57:36
Speaker 1: want to hear that. They want to hear that the
57:39
Speaker 1: they want to hear other things. But when you're studying
57:42
Speaker 1: the ancient scriptures um, especially in my lineage, right in Buddhism,
57:49
Speaker 1: you you come to you come to a halt, to
57:51
Speaker 1: come to a corner where you do enough inner work.
57:55
Speaker 1: You you transform your mind enough, you energize your body enough,
57:58
Speaker 1: you open your heart enough, and then you you reach
58:00
Speaker 1: this point that the only way for you to take
58:02
Speaker 1: your your transformation to the next degreeing for you to
58:05
Speaker 1: really experience this blissful nature that we are. It's only
58:11
Speaker 1: in serving others. It's only in sharing with others what
58:16
Speaker 1: you've learned. Being in service to other you find the
58:18
Speaker 1: missing pieces to your healing. It's the missing piece to
58:21
Speaker 1: your puzzle, to your healing puzzle that you haven't be
58:24
Speaker 1: having be able to find anywhere you will find God
58:27
Speaker 1: in service. You find that peace and service. So don't
58:32
Speaker 1: don't hold back. You know, I say to people all
58:33
Speaker 1: the time, if you're running over on on your street
58:38
Speaker 1: walking to reach get to Debby's meditation class, um, you know,
58:43
Speaker 1: or to get to Debbie's talk, I guarantee that that
58:47
Speaker 1: won't be happy that you didn't stop to give a
58:50
Speaker 1: blessing to the homeless person on the street. You know,
58:53
Speaker 1: she would rather you stop and be twenty minutes later
58:55
Speaker 1: her class because you said I'm late, Because I was.
58:59
Speaker 1: I was. I was the alloping my altruistic tendencies. I
59:01
Speaker 1: was developing my saintliness. And then show up to the class,
59:05
Speaker 1: and then you may miss, you may miss half of
59:06
Speaker 1: the class. But I guarantee that whatever you heard, it
59:09
Speaker 1: will it will be. You would actually be listening through
59:12
Speaker 1: the sound of love. You would actually be seen through
59:15
Speaker 1: the eyes of love. So it's just a different kind
59:17
Speaker 1: of it's just a different kind of depth of liberation, right.
59:21
Speaker 1: Um uh, there is a level of selfishness that we
59:25
Speaker 1: have to demand our happiness, we have to demand our liberation.
59:27
Speaker 1: We have to demand our liberation. So that means you
59:30
Speaker 1: do have to take time to be in alignment right,
59:34
Speaker 1: and then the next stage is all about service. And
59:38
Speaker 1: people ask me about what is what is what does
59:40
Speaker 1: it mean to being balanced? And I say, balance means
59:44
Speaker 1: that you have mastered how to take care of others.
59:47
Speaker 1: Why I'm taking care of yourself. So this beautiful events
59:51
Speaker 1: of serving others and serving yourself right, and that is
59:55
Speaker 1: where genuine happiness, uh will fully blossom. And then you're
59:59
Speaker 1: gonna look at the garden you of your mind and like,
1:00:01
Speaker 1: holy funk, look at all these beautiful, amazing fruit trees
1:00:05
Speaker 1: that I get to sit around and eat all day. Now.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: So that's the work, right, that's the work. Um. So
1:00:11
Speaker 1: like that? Oh like that? Oh yeah, no big deal,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: no big deal, just a roadmap to your higher consciousness
1:00:21
Speaker 1: and your complete and total return to wholeness. No, biggie,
1:00:25
Speaker 1: I love you, thank you. Oh my god, that was exquisite.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: And I think you know you're just someone who you
1:00:36
Speaker 1: have such a God given commanding presence and such a
1:00:41
Speaker 1: way of being. Um yeah, I just see God all
1:00:46
Speaker 1: in and through you when I look at you, when
1:00:48
Speaker 1: I'm able to feast upon you and I'm able to
1:00:50
Speaker 1: be blessed by your words and your existence. Thank you
1:00:53
Speaker 1: so much for that depth of knowledge and just the
1:00:58
Speaker 1: way that you so beauty beutifully make it glimpsible, tasteable.
1:01:06
Speaker 1: I think for everyone on their road, on their journey,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: wherever they find themselves, like you are such a such
1:01:17
Speaker 1: a powerful presence on earth. Oh my god, girls, stop it,
1:01:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Part of the journey is receiving, right, Well,
1:01:27
Speaker 1: don't turn yourself off from receiving. It's an energetic exchange.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: You give so much, and you are deserving of all
1:01:35
Speaker 1: the beautiful words that exist in all the books. Thank you,
1:01:40
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
1:01:41
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
1:01:43
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. You're such an epic being. Sa.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: I love you endlessly. Two. I know that you have
1:01:50
Speaker 1: a packed schedule, but I know there will be a
1:01:52
Speaker 1: part two, and I want to tease everybody giving you
1:01:55
Speaker 1: a little taste tease um that I will be doing
1:01:58
Speaker 1: a masterclass with Saw and his incredible spiritually sassy community. Um.
1:02:04
Speaker 1: Depending on when you hear this episode, I'm not sure
1:02:07
Speaker 1: how close to her if it's past, but uh, stay tuned.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: I would say to saws Instagram, to saws website, you
1:02:14
Speaker 1: have an incredible community that people can join that is
1:02:17
Speaker 1: doing big work. I felt really blessed to be a
1:02:20
Speaker 1: guest on your podcast that was connected with your community.
1:02:23
Speaker 1: I've been receiving so much love from your tribe from
1:02:27
Speaker 1: that episode that has felt really special. So I want
1:02:30
Speaker 1: everyone to know. Spiritually, Sassy School, that is how you
1:02:34
Speaker 1: can connect deeply with Saw in his work. And there
1:02:38
Speaker 1: is such a gorgeous structure and being able to get
1:02:42
Speaker 1: his work, be supported within it, and really just this
1:02:46
Speaker 1: expansive opportunity to return home and to be inside of
1:02:51
Speaker 1: the deepest part of you that you possibly can. So
1:02:54
Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy School is how you can tangibly connect to
1:02:58
Speaker 1: Saw and his work. It is a gorgeous membership platform.
1:03:02
Speaker 1: And you can also enjoy him and savor him on
1:03:04
Speaker 1: his Instagram Satti Simone and on his epic multimillion follower
1:03:10
Speaker 1: TikTok page Sadi Simone, where he is literally moving his
1:03:16
Speaker 1: body for the gods, oh ship. It's so delicious, And
1:03:21
Speaker 1: I just want to reflect something to you. Your presence
1:03:25
Speaker 1: changes the psychological temperature of every room that you're in,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: and that is a profound gift that you offer everybody
1:03:34
Speaker 1: anytime in your presence. It really like it relaxes every
1:03:38
Speaker 1: tension that I may be having, Every kno is untied,
1:03:42
Speaker 1: is undone like you offer that and and presence with
1:03:48
Speaker 1: your presence and also with the tone of your voice.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: It's just like, holy fucking ship. You betch your look, honey,
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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Thank you for being with me
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