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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Field
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Speaker 1: Shuttle Brooks, Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and senior reporter JP Shatterers.
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Speaker 1: Where you little latest go on yours Jacksonville Jaguars Huddle
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, welcome in to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 2: I'm John Oser from the High DAI Studios and Bucky
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Speaker 2: Brooks as usual in Los Angeles, And uh, the intro
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Speaker 2: is wrong, Buck, there is no JP shatter this week,
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Speaker 2: and so we'll buddle through. How about that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, how about that we have to go.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna have the you know, see if we can
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Speaker 4: work without our teammate being unavailable today.
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Speaker 2: Well, the one thing JP does that I don't do
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Speaker 2: well is Reid's Bucky. You're a TV guy, so you
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Speaker 2: know about Reids. I've got to do a read here
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Speaker 2: Fieldsauto dot com. Okay, that's our first read Bucky. And
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Speaker 2: now we're going to get into yesterday's presser with James
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Speaker 2: Gladstone and Liam Kone, and I will say, Bucky. Every
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Speaker 2: time these guys talk, it's more and more impressive to me.
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Speaker 2: And it's as much what they're saying or as their
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Speaker 2: demeanor their professionalism in it. And Gladstone opened up yesterday
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Speaker 2: with a joke about, hey, if I told you what
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Speaker 2: the number five pick was, nobody'd watch the draft. He
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Speaker 2: also talked about trading and setting his draft board, but
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Speaker 2: he did say he believes there are good players at
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Speaker 2: all positions throughout the draft.
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Speaker 5: Quite friend to think that every draft there ends up
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Speaker 5: being players that are very good at all positions from
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Speaker 5: start to finish. And I think that that probably doesn't
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Speaker 5: come as a surprise when you look at the most
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Speaker 5: recent drafts that I've been a part of, especially with
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Speaker 5: those Day three selections and even those undrafted college free
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Speaker 5: agents who in Los Angeles had played a high volume
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Speaker 5: of snaps and contributed in a significant way early in
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Speaker 5: their rookie contract. So yeah, I think there are some
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Speaker 5: public facing positions that everybody has a pretty good understanding
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Speaker 5: that are deep in this year's draft. But I don't
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Speaker 5: think there's a single position that we would label as
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Speaker 5: being without talent, and all of them can produce somebody
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Speaker 5: for us that would contribute it in a notable way,
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Speaker 5: fairly early in their rookie contract along the entirety of
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Speaker 5: the draft.
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Speaker 2: That's on me, buck I acted like I was going
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Speaker 2: to you, and we went to James Gladstone. He takes
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Speaker 2: precedent even on your show, he takes president. But what
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Speaker 2: do you think about this draft, Bucket? On the lines
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Speaker 2: of what he's saying. Obviously, any GM will tell you
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Speaker 2: that there's talent in every draft, you just got to
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Speaker 2: pick it out. How does this stack up with that?
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Speaker 4: You know what I think is interesting before I even
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Speaker 4: talked about the class. I think Gladstone's take, I would say,
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Speaker 4: may run counter to the way that some general managers
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Speaker 4: will approach the draft. A lot of people will look
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Speaker 4: at the draft as as half empty a glass. Don't
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Speaker 4: appears to look at the glass half full, and he
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Speaker 4: appears to have a formula and a recipe. Given the
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Speaker 4: success that the Rams have had with I would say
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Speaker 4: mid to late round picks that works for them now
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Speaker 4: Over the next week or so, I think my job
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Speaker 4: is to unpack what are some of the common traits
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Speaker 4: that they've found that have allowed them to take Day
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Speaker 4: three and undrafted free agents and helped them succeed. Is
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Speaker 4: that level of experience in terms of how many snaps
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Speaker 4: they played.
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Speaker 3: Is it the redeeming qualities that they look for in.
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Speaker 4: A player, whether that's height, size, athleticism, technique, skill, whatever
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Speaker 4: that is. They have unlocked the code that has helped
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Speaker 4: them find so many late round picks, undrafted free agents
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Speaker 4: that play. And it also helps that they are very adamant,
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Speaker 4: because he says this at every presser.
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Speaker 3: The young guys have to play.
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Speaker 4: So there's something about, hey man, we got to make
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Speaker 4: sure that we have enough of spots available so there's
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Speaker 4: not blockage for our young guys being able to get
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Speaker 4: onto the field. That means that the front office and
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Speaker 4: the coaches are working together to whoever we bring in coaches,
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Speaker 4: you got to get them on the field. So let's
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Speaker 4: make sure we take players that you feel confident that
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Speaker 4: we can put them on the field. So I think
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Speaker 4: that's really important because that kind of frames the way
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Speaker 4: the Jacks are evaluating players in terms of the class.
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Speaker 4: Before we went on air, we talked about this class
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Speaker 4: being one. What I will say, they're probably like five
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Speaker 4: elite players in the class. This is me talking evaluating
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Speaker 4: the draft. Yes, yeah, yeah, And in most drafts.
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Speaker 3: You have like eight to ten elites.
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Speaker 4: You end up having anywhere from eighteen to twenty two
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Speaker 4: guys that we would call blue chip first round players,
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Speaker 4: and then the rest you may have another twenty five
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Speaker 4: guys that are like that that tier that are good,
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Speaker 4: pretty good, very good that fall in there. This year
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Speaker 4: is different because I told you about the five elite
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Speaker 4: players in any order, Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Aston Gent,
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Speaker 4: you thow Tyler Warren in there, and then Jalen Walker,
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Speaker 4: the linebacker from Georgia.
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Speaker 3: To me, those are the elite players. The guys that
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Speaker 3: are outside.
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Speaker 4: Of that that we hear about in the top ten,
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Speaker 4: they're really good, but I can't say that they're elite
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Speaker 4: where they would be transcendent top five players in any draft.
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Speaker 4: For those guys, I listen, I'm pretty confident that in
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Speaker 4: any draft they would be in consideration as top five picks. Well,
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Speaker 4: if that is what we're talking about, Like, hey, these
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Speaker 4: are the a's and we got a bunch of A
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Speaker 4: minuses and B plus is The job of the Jaguars
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Speaker 4: are the sift through that big clump of players and
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Speaker 4: figure out which guys can play at an a level
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Speaker 4: for them given the environment, the scheme and the coaching developed.
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Speaker 4: The coaching that will lead the player development that will
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Speaker 4: help them play at a high level. And that's where
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Speaker 4: the character comes, the football character. That's where the work
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Speaker 4: ethic and all of that stuff comes in and making
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Speaker 4: sure you match up the player's skill set with how
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Speaker 4: you want to play. And so it's a perfect fit
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Speaker 4: when it comes to the scheme elevating the player.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, I think most regimes,
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Speaker 2: I concluding the last one, frankly wanted to play young guys,
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Speaker 2: but there comes a time where the season starts and
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Speaker 2: sometimes coaches just have a tough time going there, even
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Speaker 2: though they've said it. Certainly from listening to Liam Cohen
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Speaker 2: yesterday and this is our next sound bite, he has
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Speaker 2: been almost as consistent as Gladstone in saying that he's
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Speaker 2: excited about rookies playing right away.
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Speaker 6: It is exciting. I mean, like I mentioned last time,
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Speaker 6: conversation we had with the staff and something that we
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Speaker 6: don't want to fear whatsoever. And I think naturally as
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Speaker 6: a coach, you just go to a safe place of
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Speaker 6: a veteran, which I completely respect and appreciate. But it's
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Speaker 6: definitely something we're going to lean into. The guys should
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Speaker 6: be excited about it. You know, you can continue to
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Speaker 6: coach hard and get the best out of these guys
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Speaker 6: when they're freshly in the league and really want to
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Speaker 6: do best. So we're excited about that factor.
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Speaker 2: And Bucky, let me ask you, coming out of that,
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Speaker 2: how big of a deal for the draft? And this
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Speaker 2: sort of plays into getting guys who can play right away,
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Speaker 2: I assume, But not every team is looking for the
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Speaker 2: same things. And it certainly sounds like Gladstone. You know,
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Speaker 2: we don't know how to be as GM, but it
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Speaker 2: certainly sounds like from listening to him, from talking to people,
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Speaker 2: he has pretty specific things that he's going to consider
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Speaker 2: a Jaguars player. It probably fits a lot of what
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Speaker 2: they considered Grams players. It would make sense because he
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Speaker 2: came from there. But how important can that be late
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Speaker 2: in the draft for a GM and how much can
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Speaker 2: that help in terms of, Hey, maybe seventeen other team
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Speaker 2: don't like this guy, but we're fine with it and
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Speaker 2: we have the guts to take it in the fourth
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Speaker 2: round because we like it.
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Speaker 4: That's how it should be, you know, like this should
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Speaker 4: never draft boards should be like snowflakes.
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Speaker 3: There should never be two draft boards that are exactly alike.
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Speaker 4: When you work for a team, you have very specific
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Speaker 4: things that you look for that you want to bring
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Speaker 4: into your team, your organization. Some of those things have
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Speaker 4: been set forth by the owner in terms of like
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Speaker 4: the types of traits or values or things that are
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Speaker 4: very central to what he believes in. Other things are
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Speaker 4: set forth by the front office and coaching staff in
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Speaker 4: terms of the traits and in tangibles that are important
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Speaker 4: to them. And then it comes to the skill set.
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Speaker 4: What I hear from Cohen and Glaston when I listen
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Speaker 4: to those snippets back to back, I hear a coaching
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Speaker 4: staff who prefers to play young players because young players
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Speaker 4: coming out of college they haven't been I don't want
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Speaker 4: to say taint it by the pro world, but they
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Speaker 4: haven't been influenced by the pro world. Like, Hey, well,
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Speaker 4: while we're doing all this work, or while we're working
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Speaker 4: this like this isn't how it should be, because sometimes
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Speaker 4: vets can have that impact while we're doing all this,
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Speaker 4: we're pros. When you have younger players who come from
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Speaker 4: a collegiate system where it's been very much a dictatorship
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Speaker 4: by the head coach, they're more apt to buy into
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Speaker 4: a very grinded out, hard and culture that you're trying
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Speaker 4: to create, where extra is the ordinary part. Doing extra
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Speaker 4: is part of what we do. I think they're looking
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Speaker 4: for people, and you hear people say this all the time.
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Speaker 3: I want people that love it, not like it.
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Speaker 4: I want players that love the game, they love the
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Speaker 4: process of getting ready for the game and everything that
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Speaker 4: comes with it, as opposed to people who like the
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Speaker 4: game but love all the other stuff that comes with it.
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Speaker 4: To me, it appears that and they haven't said this,
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Speaker 4: but it appears that the Jags are embracing more of
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Speaker 4: a blue collar, workmanlike approach, even though it may be
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Speaker 4: what we call an intelligent version of a blue collar organization.
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Speaker 4: When Jim Harbaugh was at Stanford, they called it intellectual brutality.
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Speaker 4: So you had all the nerds playing in a very
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Speaker 4: tough and aggressive demeanor. I get a sense that there's
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Speaker 4: some of this that's coming to Jacksonville, but it may
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Speaker 4: be packaged differently because at the top. Liam and James
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Speaker 4: Glavestone appear to be very cerebral, high IQ, high EQ,
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Speaker 4: emotional and tell us guys, but it appears they want
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Speaker 4: that to convey into a team that is very old
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Speaker 4: school and the way that they approach everything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like that's sort of what the
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Speaker 2: I don't follow the Rams like I do the Jaguars,
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Speaker 2: but my vibe from the Rams has been just that
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Speaker 2: that they sort of give off a feel because of
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Speaker 2: McVeigh of being sort of this high flying modern offense,
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Speaker 2: when in fact they're more based on the run game
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Speaker 2: and playing off play action. And it's not until you
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Speaker 2: get into the game against and when we realize, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is what these guys do. So it feels a
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Speaker 2: little bit like that philosophically.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the packaging may come off like they're all
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Speaker 4: pizazz and glitz and glamour, but up under the hood,
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Speaker 4: it's an old school Chevy, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: And so that is the thing.
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Speaker 4: And I've always been a believer that the team should
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Speaker 4: reflect the image of the city.
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Speaker 3: So when we think about the city of.
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Speaker 4: Jacksonville, and we think about the blue collar nature of Jacksonville,
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Speaker 4: the environment or whatever. That's kind of the team that
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Speaker 4: the Jags fans want to see. They want to see
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Speaker 4: a team that works or that goes after that embodies
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Speaker 4: what they live in their daily lives. And to me,
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Speaker 4: I feel like we're getting more to that because all
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Speaker 4: the teams that have really succeeded in Jacksonville have been
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Speaker 4: kind of those grizzled, heartened teams that played a certain way. Yeah, look,
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Speaker 4: we're gonna be physical, we're gonna run the ball, defense
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Speaker 4: is gonna play a certain way, and we're gonna get
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Speaker 4: after it. That's where the whole duvall and all that
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Speaker 4: other stuff came to me. I feel like we're getting
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Speaker 4: back to that because there's an edge that Blackstone and
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Speaker 4: Coin operate with that I would say it is probably
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Speaker 4: masked by their nice guy demeanors.
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Speaker 2: Our final SoundBite may be more interesting to me than anybody,
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Speaker 2: but I put together the rundown today, So that's how
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be. Buck Gladstone yesterday talked about when the
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Speaker 2: Scouts came in the building, and this is interesting because
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of fans maybe don't grasp area
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Speaker 2: of Scouts really Bucky until this week, don't really get
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Speaker 2: in and have meetings. So this was Gladstone's first chance
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Speaker 2: to be around the people who scouted these players, and
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Speaker 2: he had pretty high praise for that group, and he
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Speaker 2: talked to the media yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that there were any surprises or
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Speaker 5: anything catching me off guard as much as it was.
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Speaker 5: It's been very impressive the adaptability of that group to say, hey,
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Speaker 5: here are the items that were aphasizing and that we'll
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Speaker 5: be prioritizing.
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Speaker 3: May look a little.
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Speaker 5: Different than what you're used to, and being able to
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Speaker 5: see them sort of pivot away from maybe things that
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Speaker 5: they held at a premium in the past. And so
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Speaker 5: that's been that flexibility has really stood out to me
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Speaker 5: amongst the group.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is fascinating to me, Bucky, because so
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Speaker 2: much of coming in. I think what James Gladstone's major
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Speaker 2: strength is, and I think he has many, but is
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Speaker 2: the ability to get information cleanly from one group to
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Speaker 2: another in a usable way. And that's probably a little
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Speaker 2: bit of gobblygook in there, but I think you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, and it's especially coming in and
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Speaker 2: working with the new staff, hearing what they're saying and
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Speaker 2: applying it to what he's thinking is not an easy
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Speaker 2: thing in a transition time. It's very important for scouts
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Speaker 2: to know what coaches are looking for and vice versa.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like he's speaking to that a little bit, Bucky.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, as everyone should under stand, when you have
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Speaker 4: one general manager who kind of sets the table for
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Speaker 4: what the team is looking for in terms of players,
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Speaker 4: and it may be character things, it may be physical
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Speaker 4: traits or whatever. You have that and so scouts go
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Speaker 4: on the road after like they kind of set those
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Speaker 4: parameters and they go look for players they kind of
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Speaker 4: fit those models. When you have a new general manager
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Speaker 4: come in and he believes in something else, it is
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Speaker 4: on the scouts to adapt to the new way of
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Speaker 4: doing business. And that means that hey, all those things
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Speaker 4: in the past that maybe we discounted, well, maybe we
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Speaker 4: bring those back into the fold. And so the way
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Speaker 4: that we may have looked at players previously, maybe we
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Speaker 4: need to recheck and say, well, maybe this player fits
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Speaker 4: in this new world, this new environment based on what
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Speaker 4: Gladstone and Cohen and Tony have set forth in terms
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Speaker 4: of Hey, these are the things that are most important
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Speaker 4: for us. It requires people to change, It requires people
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Speaker 4: to really be water like be like water, just move around,
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Speaker 4: be flat. Here's what I like. Bring the information to
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Speaker 4: the people. But more importantly, it requires scouts to really
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Speaker 4: buy into the program quickly, and they got to trust
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Speaker 4: that the new program might be even better than the
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Speaker 4: old program, even though you might have grown.
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Speaker 3: Up in the old program.
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Speaker 4: And so where loyalties and all that stuff can kind
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Speaker 4: of get in the way, you got to be a professional,
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Speaker 4: and you've got to be able to move as the
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Speaker 4: room is now moving. And so the fact that he
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Speaker 4: gave the scouting staff compliments suggest that everyone in the
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Speaker 4: room is making the right changes based on what the
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Speaker 4: new parameters are.
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Speaker 3: With Cohen and Glastone, Antonio BISSELLI.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's one other thing for you get to our
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Speaker 2: first break. It's always struck me from the times I've
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Speaker 2: talked to scouts and gms how important it is for
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Speaker 2: a GM to hear the dialogue what the scouts are saying.
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Speaker 2: And now what I'm getting at is, you know, if
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Speaker 2: the scouts, if the GA isn't hearing it, and the
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Speaker 2: scouts sort of aren't willing to offer counter views to
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Speaker 2: the GM, it can become a silo, right, I mean,
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Speaker 2: where you're not really getting the right information because you
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Speaker 2: know the gym's going to go his way anyway. It
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Speaker 2: certainly sounds like Gladstone from listening to him yesterday. He
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Speaker 2: talked about wanting the conversations about these players from scouts
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Speaker 2: to be water cooler conversations rather than boardroom conversations. That
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Speaker 2: to me is that he wants to hear these guys
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Speaker 2: really say their opinions rather than give a lot of
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Speaker 2: fake stuff. That was impressive to me, And I'm wondering
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Speaker 2: as a scout if that's impressive to you.
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Speaker 4: Very impressive because it is easy to have strong opinions
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Speaker 4: until you have to present those opinions to the decision makers.
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Speaker 4: It's one thing for me to tell you're in private
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Speaker 4: and confidence, John, I really love this player. It's another
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Speaker 4: thing when the head coach and the general manager presses
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Speaker 4: me on the player or they give me pushback on
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Speaker 4: my opinion to continue to stand in there. To me,
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Speaker 4: what Gladstone is saying is, hey, even though I may
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Speaker 4: have the gavel, I may have the final say when
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Speaker 4: it comes to decision, I am just like everybody else.
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Speaker 4: My opinion is weighted just like everybody else when it
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Speaker 4: comes to it. So do not be afraid to voice
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Speaker 4: your opinion. Now, when we make a decision, that's a
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Speaker 4: Jagg's decision. But until then I am welcoming healthy debate,
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Speaker 4: real conversation, so we can really figure out if this
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Speaker 4: player is someone that we really want to be on
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Speaker 4: our team, and how will he contribute if he comes
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Speaker 4: to the program. I applaud that because a lot of
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Speaker 4: people say that, sure, but everyone doesn't live that.
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Speaker 2: It's easy to say. It's hard work to cipher, you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes you just want to move on to
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Speaker 2: the next guy, and it's hard work to actually hear
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Speaker 2: it and have another person's opinion come into what you're thinking.
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Speaker 2: That takes some mental.
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Speaker 4: Equity, and the other thing it takes it takes the
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Speaker 4: trust between scout and general manager, scout and superior leader
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Speaker 4: that if I go strong and have a very convicted
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Speaker 4: opinion on a player, that if the player comes in
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Speaker 4: and it doesn't work out, it doesn't change the way
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Speaker 4: you view me. Because we all make mistakes in the
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Speaker 4: evaluation process. And so if you're going to encourage me
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Speaker 4: to take a strong stand, I'm gonna take that, But
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Speaker 4: I also need to be able to take that within
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Speaker 4: reason knowing that a my opinion is in fact, so
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Speaker 4: if the guy comes in and it doesn't work out,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't now just a you're.
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Speaker 3: Null and void.
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Speaker 4: One of those things that right, there's there's a human
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Speaker 4: element where we're going to miss it. So there needs
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Speaker 4: to be some grace given to those who may make mistakes,
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Speaker 4: because the worst thing that you can do is as.
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Speaker 3: A scout is to operate.
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Speaker 4: Scared to be wrong, because if you're scared to be wrong,
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Speaker 4: you're never you'll never go after it and you will
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Speaker 4: miss out.
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Speaker 3: And look, man, we all want to hit home runs.
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Speaker 4: Say, oh, we'll be good with doubles, but the home
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Speaker 4: runs are the ones that become superstars. And so when
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Speaker 4: you go for home runs, you're gonna strike out some.
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Speaker 4: And the key is, can you put your opinion out there?
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Speaker 2: I all right, Bucky, Right now? What are they doing?
20:03
Speaker 2: What's take me through now until the draft and Gladstown Yes,
20:09
Speaker 2: I said yesterday, someming next week is about a logistical
20:12
Speaker 2: mock draft, basically making sure all the buttons work, which
20:17
Speaker 2: I think, you know, feel may have laughed at, but
20:19
Speaker 2: that's a big part of it. You don't want something
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Speaker 2: to be unplugged on draft night. But what do they
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Speaker 2: do from here on in?
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Speaker 4: So now, because the guys you're in, you're putting the
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Speaker 4: finishing touches on the board. Everyone is going over their
20:33
Speaker 4: last opinions. They're trying to introduce any last minute information
20:37
Speaker 4: that they've heard that they've discovered over the pro day circuit.
20:41
Speaker 4: The final few weeks, the medical team comes in, so
20:44
Speaker 4: you begin to talk about those guys that you have
20:46
Speaker 4: to dismiss and remove from the board due to injury concerns.
20:50
Speaker 4: You have the background search. That team comes in, they
20:54
Speaker 4: give all the security clearances and those things, and then
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Speaker 4: you begin to go through these scenario and so on
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Speaker 4: our side, we talk about mock drafting.
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Speaker 3: In the room, they talk about various scenarios. Hey, if
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Speaker 3: we're sitting.
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Speaker 4: At five and these four players are gone and this
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Speaker 4: is available, who we take. Okay, let's go to the
21:12
Speaker 4: second round. Like all these players are gone. Here's the
21:14
Speaker 4: clump of players that we're doing on TV.
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Speaker 3: We call it the clusterbuster.
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Speaker 4: But what you're trying to do is you're trying to
21:20
Speaker 4: much like a game. In football, we talk about situational awareness.
21:26
Speaker 4: So you go through a bunch of things in practice,
21:28
Speaker 4: so when you get into the situation in the game,
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Speaker 4: you just react. Same thing happens in the draft room. Hey,
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Speaker 4: let's get to it. We're going through it. Here's what happens.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, this player is there. So now we
21:39
Speaker 4: can calmly make the decision because we've already gone through this.
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Speaker 4: We scrimmaed it out, we've had the discussions. There are
21:45
Speaker 4: no surprises. The best draft rooms are calm, there's a
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Speaker 4: level of poise, and it is just systematic in.
21:53
Speaker 3: The way that we operate. There shouldn't be.
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Speaker 4: Any surprises when it comes to it if we're really prepared.
21:58
Speaker 4: So the next week and a half are going through
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Speaker 4: those scenarios to make sure we're prepared for anything that
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Speaker 4: could occur on drafting.
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Speaker 2: I remember Bill Pulling telling me and Indy he said
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Speaker 2: the whole myth of like people banging tables during the
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Speaker 2: draft and like yelling across the table. He said, if
22:14
Speaker 2: that's going on, you haven't done your homework. It should
22:17
Speaker 2: be a very methodical taking at the time it was
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Speaker 2: taking into taking index cards and magnets off the board.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious. H Gladstone said yesterday that he's so his
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Speaker 2: his board will be set right before he picks. That's
22:36
Speaker 2: a little different than what I'm used to, Bucky. I've
22:39
Speaker 2: heard from different gms over the years. Hey, the board's
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Speaker 2: set X number of days out, don't go back and
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Speaker 2: mess with your board, don't overthink it. What's your thought
22:49
Speaker 2: on that? And uh, you know, and now, don't get
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Speaker 2: me wrong, I'm sure, I'm sure the board is it
22:55
Speaker 2: is all been set and you're making some last minute decisions.
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Speaker 2: But where do you come down that.
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Speaker 4: I think what he's probably saying in terms of being set, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's always a work in progres until you get to
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Speaker 4: the very end. I would say that the board is
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Speaker 4: probably ninety to ninety five percent set.
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Speaker 3: There are a few decisions that they're that I'll say
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Speaker 3: ninety percent done.
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Speaker 4: This still probably a handful of decisions that you want
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Speaker 4: to make between players. And so, for instance, you may
23:21
Speaker 4: have at number five, you may have three guys we're
23:23
Speaker 4: talking about, and we'll just throw out names like let's
23:27
Speaker 4: throw out Mason Graham, let's throw out Jalen Walker, and
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Speaker 4: let's throw genty, And so then you'll have this conversation
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Speaker 4: with the scouting staff on Okay, who do we like?
23:38
Speaker 4: Who is just the biggest impact coaches? What's the plan
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Speaker 4: if we bring Mason Graham in here? What's the plan
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Speaker 4: if nil Walker comes in? What's the plan of genty?
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Speaker 3: Is to pick? Okay, how do we feel about that?
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Speaker 3: We're good?
23:52
Speaker 4: Okay, So if this scenario comes up, how do we
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Speaker 4: rank them one, two or three? And you put it
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Speaker 4: down and someone is taking notes on all of this.
23:59
Speaker 4: So now we get to those situations and all right,
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Speaker 4: fifth Pig Jags are on the clock.
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Speaker 3: Cool, there's no Hey, what are we doing?
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Speaker 4: Will we're good? Is everyone good with what we're doing? Hey,
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Speaker 4: let's get him on the phone and we make the move.
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Speaker 4: So there's some of those things that are going so
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Speaker 4: to me, he is right, the board is pretty much set.
24:18
Speaker 4: You're just going through those last minute scenarios. Hey, what
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Speaker 4: if a trade pops up? What if the Atlanta Falcons
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Speaker 4: want to come up from fifteen to five and they're
24:26
Speaker 4: willing to give us X amount? Okay, well we go
24:29
Speaker 4: back to fifteen, and what are the players that we're
24:31
Speaker 4: potentially looking at now that we move back to fifteen?
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Speaker 4: Do we feel good about those players? Are those players
24:37
Speaker 4: impactful players?
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Speaker 3: Or no? Now we're just.
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Speaker 4: Moving to be more moving, and it's going to take
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Speaker 4: us out of running for a.
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Speaker 3: Player that could really impact us.
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Speaker 4: All of those conversations are what he's talking about, and
24:49
Speaker 4: that's why the board is almost set.
24:52
Speaker 3: The concrete is drying.
24:54
Speaker 4: But it's not it's not quite hard yet.
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Speaker 2: He actually used that analogy. Do you favor a smaller
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Speaker 2: group of draftable players for a team, meaning you know
25:07
Speaker 2: some guys will say, hey, we've got X number of
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Speaker 2: guys who were draftable and don't come off of that.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that numbers should be relatively small for
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Speaker 2: a team in terms of, you know, knowing the clusters
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Speaker 2: and within that cluster we have these guys we want.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it should be small.
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Speaker 4: So I've worked for teams where when you look at
25:29
Speaker 4: the total number of prospects on the board, we would
25:31
Speaker 4: try to limit it anywhere between one twenty five to
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Speaker 4: one fifty. But I would say the teams that are
25:38
Speaker 4: really good and diligent seventy five.
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Speaker 3: To one hundred players.
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Speaker 4: Because let's be honest, John, everybody can't play for us
25:46
Speaker 4: or should be a thing. Everybody's not a great fit
25:49
Speaker 4: for us. Let's make sure that the people that we
25:51
Speaker 4: have on the board are people that we legitimately want
25:54
Speaker 4: to take.
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Speaker 3: That we don't take somebody that we like.
25:57
Speaker 4: We took him, but he's not really our type guy,
25:59
Speaker 4: but we felt compelled to take it.
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Speaker 2: Now, is that a matter of just you just got
26:04
Speaker 2: to work to make sure that in the fourth round
26:06
Speaker 2: where you're picking, you have a guy there, or do
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Speaker 2: you have sort of backup guys where Okay, if all
26:11
Speaker 2: our guys are gone. We can live with this.
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Speaker 4: No what it should be if you pear to it.
26:18
Speaker 4: When you get to that point, if one of your
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Speaker 4: guys isn't.
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Speaker 3: There, you trade out.
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Speaker 4: Okay, don't take a player that you don't love. Everybody
26:23
Speaker 4: that you should take you should feel great about. And
26:26
Speaker 4: when I talk about that, how we're ranking players. Remember
26:30
Speaker 4: we talked about snowflakes and no two boards being alike,
26:33
Speaker 4: and people don't grate people the same. Well, if we
26:35
Speaker 4: put one hundred from one to one hundred, how we
26:37
Speaker 4: great them the guys that we love, guys that fit
26:40
Speaker 4: all of our things. Because remember it should be very
26:42
Speaker 4: very hard to get on our board based on the
26:45
Speaker 4: traits and intangibles and characteristics that we talked about on
26:48
Speaker 4: and off the field.
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Speaker 2: There's only so many intangibly rich guys out there.
26:51
Speaker 4: But right, and so when you put when you put
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Speaker 4: one hundred up there, John, well, then you know everyone
26:59
Speaker 4: doesn't have those same So trust me, it sounds crazy,
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Speaker 4: but it always works out. If you only have seventy
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Speaker 4: five to two one hundred, if you put those guys
27:07
Speaker 4: up there, they're always gonna be guys available when we
27:10
Speaker 4: get to fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round. Those guys will
27:14
Speaker 4: be there, and you're also going to have a small
27:17
Speaker 4: board of what we call undrafted free agents, guys that
27:21
Speaker 4: we may not have a draft of the grade, but
27:23
Speaker 4: they have redeeming qualities that we'd like to bring them
27:25
Speaker 4: into camp. They're always a handful of guys that are there,
27:28
Speaker 4: but typically, in my experience that top one hundred, there
27:32
Speaker 4: always be more than enough guys for you to pick from.
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Speaker 2: So let's get into it at five to close it out.
27:37
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I actually saw a draft last week
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Speaker 2: that had Abdul Carter slipping there. I hadn't even considered
27:44
Speaker 2: that as a possibility. If you were doing a mock today,
27:47
Speaker 2: who do you mock to the Jacks?
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Speaker 3: You know, it's really it's hard. We go to this.
27:53
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no, I'm saying, we go through this,
27:55
Speaker 4: we do it so many different times or whatever to me,
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Speaker 4: deal would say, depending on is that and we're gonna
28:02
Speaker 4: assume cam Ward is gone at one, Travis Hunter goes
28:05
Speaker 4: at two. At three, the New York Giants have to
28:08
Speaker 4: make a decision. I still believe that they take a
28:10
Speaker 4: quarterback at three. I just can't imagine how they not
28:13
Speaker 4: take a quarterback. But let's say the quarterback is gone.
28:15
Speaker 4: So now you're talking about the New England Pages having
28:17
Speaker 4: to make a decision between Abdell Carter and Will Campbell. Potentially,
28:22
Speaker 4: let's say they take Abdull Carter. So now you're sitting
28:25
Speaker 4: with the board right open. You have Will Camber, you
28:27
Speaker 4: have Jenty, you have Mason Graham, you have Jalen Walker.
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Speaker 4: I still believe that Mason Graham is a.
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Speaker 3: Really good player.
28:34
Speaker 4: He fits the need on the inside as a culture driver.
28:38
Speaker 4: His impact, his demeanor, the way that he plays the game.
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Speaker 3: To me works for where he is now packaging.
28:45
Speaker 4: It's not gonna look the part because people want him
28:47
Speaker 4: to be like a superhero and adonnas in terms of
28:49
Speaker 4: physical bill. But if we're looking at the tape, they're
28:52
Speaker 4: not many guys that are better than him on the tape.
28:54
Speaker 4: If we talk about the running back, and there'll be
28:56
Speaker 4: some conversation about that. The running back. Remember I talked
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Speaker 4: about the five Elites, he's the elite.
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Speaker 3: Ram has done an elite. The only thing is how
29:06
Speaker 3: good do you feel.
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Speaker 4: About taking a running back at five? If you feel
29:10
Speaker 4: like the running back is Sakwon Barkley ish, if you
29:13
Speaker 4: feel like the running back for Rams people.
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Speaker 3: Is Todd Gurley like offensive player of the year potential.
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Speaker 4: You take him and you live with it because everything
29:24
Speaker 4: that they've talked about doing is helping the quarterback. The
29:27
Speaker 4: one thing I know helps the quarterback is a strong
29:29
Speaker 4: running game. When you have a dominant running game with
29:32
Speaker 4: multiple backs that you can throw out, it eases some
29:35
Speaker 4: of the pressure on Trevor Lawrence to have to carry
29:37
Speaker 4: the offense. And let's be honest, we've never seen an
29:39
Speaker 4: offense that wasn't number sixteen dependent.
29:42
Speaker 3: I would like to see.
29:43
Speaker 4: An offense that's not everything weighs on Number sixteen having
29:47
Speaker 4: to play great every week. In a perfect world, we
29:51
Speaker 4: need him to play grade five to six times a
29:52
Speaker 4: year and then the team can carry us those other ten, eleven,
29:57
Speaker 4: twelve games. I would like to see an offense that
29:59
Speaker 4: has de capability.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk on occasions, so if we talked about
30:03
Speaker 2: this last week, forgive me listeners. I think it's tougher
30:06
Speaker 2: to take a tight end at five than running back,
30:09
Speaker 2: just philosophically, and maybe that's changing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't think.
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Speaker 4: I think if you go back and you look in history,
30:16
Speaker 4: it's not worked out well for guys playing tight end
30:19
Speaker 4: that have been taken in the top ten.
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Speaker 2: Well, don't mean I think it's harder. I have position
30:24
Speaker 2: maybe more of a risk than a running back. Even
30:25
Speaker 2: the running back gets sort of the the shade if
30:29
Speaker 2: you will is hey, you can't take a guy that high.
30:31
Speaker 4: So it's funny because I looked at in the last
30:34
Speaker 4: ten years the running backs that have been taken in
30:36
Speaker 4: the top ten. The only bust that you could really
30:40
Speaker 4: talk about being a top ten running back. Of those guys,
30:44
Speaker 4: it's like Saquan Christian McCaffrey is b Jon Robinson, it's
30:48
Speaker 4: Todd Gurley, it's all these other guys. The only one
30:50
Speaker 4: that you kind of could talk a little bit about
30:53
Speaker 4: would be Leonard Fournette.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be the only one at four, Zekiel Elliott.
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Speaker 4: All the other running backs that have been taken in
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Speaker 4: the top ten, they've been productive, They've worked and.
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Speaker 2: Had moments about Even Leonard was productive out of the box.
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Speaker 4: So I mean it's right, yeah, And so when we
31:11
Speaker 4: talk about that, I think there's a lot of fear, like, oh,
31:14
Speaker 4: value because we become super smart with the analytics and
31:17
Speaker 4: those things. But history tells you that if you take
31:21
Speaker 4: a running back that high. It's unlikely then they're gonna
31:24
Speaker 4: flame out.
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Speaker 3: It's just unlikely. It's unlikely that they're gonna do it.
31:28
Speaker 4: Now, is your team ready to handle that?
31:31
Speaker 3: That's the question.
31:32
Speaker 4: But as a tight end, the tight end is more
31:33
Speaker 4: dependent upon the quarterback and other stuff to do it.
31:36
Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, when you look at the tight
31:39
Speaker 4: ends that have really been dominant throughout George.
31:41
Speaker 3: Kittle was a fifth round pick.
31:42
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey, I think was a third or fourth round pick.
31:45
Speaker 4: I mean it's improven that you don't have to.
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Speaker 3: Use that.
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Speaker 2: No, there's more non top fifteen great tight ends in
31:53
Speaker 2: history than there are top fifteen. I mean that's not
31:57
Speaker 2: even It's a very odd position like that. All right, Bucky,
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Speaker 2: I could do this all day. I know you don't
32:03
Speaker 2: have all day, so we're not gonna do that.
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Speaker 3: But one day, one day, maybe you know what.
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Speaker 2: We'll have a marathon huddle up podcasts.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, or maybe one day we just go live doing
32:11
Speaker 4: an OTA session when everything is important. We just talk
32:14
Speaker 4: about all things Jaguars while the OTA is going on
32:17
Speaker 4: in the background.
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Speaker 3: Now know how much you love that.
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Speaker 2: So I would do that, except I'll be busy chart
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Speaker 2: and plays, so I really don't have time on those days. Buck,
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Speaker 2: I'm all in on OTA. Bucky Brooks will be joining
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Speaker 2: us again next week on the final Huddle Up podcast
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Speaker 2: before the twenty twenty five Draft. Look forward to that.
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Speaker 2: JP Shadow will be back, Bucky, talk to you then,
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Speaker 2: all right later