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S7, Ep 8: Fly Tying Mastery: Tim Cammisa's New Book and Euro Nymphing Adventures - The Articulate Fly · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

• 0:03
  Hey
• 0:04
  folks,
• 0:04
  it's
• 0:04
  Marvin
• 0:05
  Cash,
• 0:05
  the
• 0:05
  host
• 0:05
  of
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  the
• 0:06
  Articulate
• 0:06
  Fly.
• 0:08
  On
• 0:08
  this
• 0:08
  episode,
• 0:09
  Tire
• 0:09
  angler,
• 0:10
  author
• 0:10
  and
• 0:10
  educator
• 0:11
  Tim
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  Cammisa
• 0:11
  returns
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  to
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  the
• 0:12
  podcast.
• 0:13
  Tim
• 0:13
  and
• 0:13
  I
• 0:14
  discuss
• 0:14
  his
• 0:14
  2025
• 0:15
  hosted
• 0:15
  travel
• 0:16
  calendar
• 0:16
  before
• 0:16
  taking
• 0:17
  a
• 0:17
  deep
• 0:17
  dive
• 0:17
  into
• 0:18
  his
• 0:18
  newest
• 0:18
  book
• 0:18
  project,
• 0:19
  Tying
• 0:20
  Euro
• 0:20
  Nymphs
• 0:20
  and
• 0:21
  other
• 0:21
  competition
• 0:22
  favorites.
• 0:22
  I
• 0:22
  think
• 0:23
  you're
• 0:23
  really
• 0:23
  going
• 0:23
  to
• 0:23
  enjoy
• 0:24
  this
• 0:24
  one,
• 0:25
  but
• 0:25
  before
• 0:25
  we
• 0:25
  get
• 0:25
  to
• 0:26
  the
• 0:26
  interview,
• 0:26
  just
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  a
• 0:26
  couple
• 0:27
  of
• 0:27
  housekeeping
• 0:27
  items.
• 0:28
  If
• 0:28
  you
• 0:28
  like
• 0:28
  the
• 0:29
  podcast,
• 0:30
  please
• 0:30
  tell
• 0:30
  a
• 0:30
  friend
• 0:31
  and
• 0:31
  please
• 0:31
  subscribe
• 0:32
  and
• 0:32
  leave
• 0:32
  us
• 0:32
  a
• 0:32
  rating
• 0:33
  and
• 0:33
  review
• 0:33
  in
• 0:33
  the
• 0:33
  podcatcher
• 0:34
  of
• 0:34
  your
• 0:34
  choice.
• 0:35
  It
• 0:35
  really
• 0:35
  helps
• 0:36
  us
• 0:36
  out
• 0:37
  and
• 0:37
  thanks
• 0:37
  to
• 0:38
  our
• 0:38
  friends
• 0:38
  at
• 0:38
  the
• 0:38
  Fly
• 0:38
  Fishing
• 0:39
  show
• 0:39
  for
• 0:39
  sponsoring
• 0:40
  the
• 0:40
  episode.
• 0:41
  The
• 0:41
  2025
• 0:42
  season
• 0:42
  is
• 0:42
  in
• 0:42
  full
• 0:43
  swing
• 0:43
  with
• 0:43
  the
• 0:43
  show
• 0:44
  stopping
• 0:44
  in
• 0:44
  Edison
• 0:44
  this
• 0:45
  weekend
• 0:45
  before
• 0:45
  heading
• 0:46
  on
• 0:46
  to
• 0:46
  Atlanta,
• 0:47
  Bellevue,
• 0:48
  Denver,
• 0:48
  Pleasanton
• 0:49
  and
• 0:49
  Lancaster.
• 0:50
  Come
• 0:50
  out
• 0:50
  and
• 0:50
  visit
• 0:51
  with
• 0:51
  old
• 0:51
  friends
• 0:51
  and
• 0:51
  make
• 0:51
  a
• 0:52
  few
• 0:52
  new
• 0:52
  ones.
• 0:52
  It
• 0:53
  should
• 0:53
  be
• 0:53
  a
• 0:53
  great
• 0:54
  time
• 0:54
  for
• 0:54
  dates,
• 0:55
  ticket
• 0:55
  and
• 0:55
  class
• 0:56
  info
• 0:56
  and
• 0:56
  other
• 0:57
  event
• 0:57
  details.
• 0:57
  Head
• 0:58
  over
• 0:58
  to
• 0:58
  www.and
• 1:02
  a
• 1:02
  shout
• 1:03
  out
• 1:03
  to
• 1:03
  our
• 1:03
  sponsor
• 1:03
  Trout
• 1:04
  Routes
• 1:04
  It's
• 1:05
  a
• 1:05
  fact
• 1:05
  none
• 1:06
  of
• 1:06
  us
• 1:06
  get
• 1:06
  to
• 1:06
  fish
• 1:06
  as
• 1:07
  much
• 1:07
  as
• 1:07
  we
• 1:07
  want.
• 1:08
  Almost
• 1:08
  overnight,
• 1:09
  planning
• 1:09
  a
• 1:09
  fishing
• 1:09
  trip
• 1:10
  went
• 1:10
  from
• 1:10
  a
• 1:10
  gazetteer
• 1:10
  in
• 1:11
  word
• 1:11
  of
• 1:11
  mouth
• 1:11
  to
• 1:12
  the
• 1:12
  entire
• 1:12
  Internet.
• 1:13
  There
• 1:13
  have
• 1:14
  never
• 1:14
  been
• 1:14
  more
• 1:14
  resources
• 1:15
  available
• 1:15
  for
• 1:15
  fishing,
• 1:16
  but
• 1:16
  it's
• 1:16
  a
• 1:16
  challenge
• 1:17
  trying
• 1:17
  to
• 1:17
  wade
• 1:17
  through
• 1:17
  the
• 1:17
  digital
• 1:18
  noise
• 1:18
  to
• 1:18
  find
• 1:18
  the
• 1:19
  most
• 1:19
  current
• 1:19
  and
• 1:19
  relevant
• 1:20
  information.
• 1:21
  Spend
• 1:22
  less
• 1:22
  time
• 1:22
  surfing
• 1:22
  the
• 1:23
  Internet
• 1:23
  and
• 1:23
  more
• 1:23
  time
• 1:23
  on
• 1:24
  the
• 1:24
  water
• 1:24
  with
• 1:24
  trout
• 1:24
  routes.
• 1:25
  With
• 1:25
  over
• 1:25
  350,000
• 1:27
  access
• 1:27
  points
• 1:27
  mapped
• 1:28
  across
• 1:28
  50,000
• 1:29
  trout
• 1:29
  streams
• 1:29
  and
• 1:29
  much
• 1:30
  more,
• 1:30
  Trout
• 1:31
  Routes
• 1:31
  has
• 1:31
  all
• 1:31
  the
• 1:31
  data
• 1:32
  you
• 1:32
  need
• 1:32
  to
• 1:32
  help
• 1:32
  you
• 1:32
  make
• 1:33
  the
• 1:33
  most
• 1:33
  of
• 1:33
  your
• 1:33
  time
• 1:33
  on
• 1:34
  the
• 1:34
  water.
• 1:35
  Where
• 1:35
  I
• 1:35
  fish
• 1:35
  in
• 1:36
  Southern
• 1:36
  Appalachia,
• 1:37
  figuring
• 1:37
  out
• 1:37
  how
• 1:37
  to
• 1:37
  get
• 1:37
  off
• 1:38
  the
• 1:38
  water
• 1:38
  can
• 1:38
  be
• 1:38
  as
• 1:39
  important
• 1:39
  as
• 1:39
  finding
• 1:39
  it
• 1:39
  in
• 1:40
  the
• 1:40
  first
• 1:40
  place.
• 1:40
  With
• 1:41
  trout
• 1:41
  routes,
• 1:41
  I
• 1:41
  can
• 1:42
  mark
• 1:42
  the
• 1:42
  best
• 1:42
  spots
• 1:42
  to
• 1:43
  get
• 1:43
  out
• 1:43
  of
• 1:43
  the
• 1:43
  water
• 1:43
  so
• 1:44
  I
• 1:44
  don't
• 1:44
  find
• 1:44
  myself
• 1:44
  in
• 1:45
  a
• 1:45
  valley
• 1:45
  I
• 1:45
  can't
• 1:45
  climb
• 1:46
  out
• 1:46
  of.
• 1:46
  As
• 1:46
  the
• 1:46
  sun
• 1:46
  goes
• 1:47
  down,
• 1:48
  up
• 1:48
  your
• 1:48
  game
• 1:48
  and
• 1:49
  download
• 1:49
  the
• 1:49
  app
• 1:49
  today.
• 1:50
  Use
• 1:50
  code
• 1:50
  artfly20
• 1:52
  artfly20
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  all
• 1:54
  one
• 1:54
  word
• 1:55
  for
• 1:55
  20%
• 1:56
  off
• 1:56
  of
• 1:56
  your
• 1:56
  Trout
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  Routes
• 1:57
  Pro
• 1:57
  membership
• 1:57
  at
• 1:57
  Maps.
• 2:01
  Now
• 2:01
  on
• 2:02
  to
• 2:02
  our
• 2:02
  interview.
• 2:03
  Well
• 2:04
  Tim,
• 2:04
  welcome
• 2:04
  back
• 2:04
  to
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  Articulate
• 2:05
  Fly.
• 2:07
  Marvin,
• 2:07
  it's
• 2:08
  great
• 2:08
  to
• 2:08
  be
• 2:08
  back.
• 2:08
  Thanks
• 2:09
  for
• 2:09
  having
• 2:09
  me
• 2:09
  back.
• 2:09
  It
• 2:09
  sounds
• 2:10
  like
• 2:10
  it's
• 2:10
  been
• 2:10
  about
• 2:10
  four
• 2:11
  years
• 2:11
  since
• 2:11
  our
• 2:11
  last
• 2:12
  recording.
• 2:12
  Yeah,
• 2:13
  I
• 2:13
  was
• 2:13
  kind
• 2:14
  of
• 2:14
  shocked
• 2:14
  when
• 2:14
  I
• 2:14
  went
• 2:14
  back
• 2:15
  and
• 2:15
  looked.
• 2:15
  I
• 2:15
  was
• 2:15
  actually
• 2:16
  looking
• 2:16
  for
• 2:17
  the
• 2:17
  PDF
• 2:18
  review
• 2:18
  copy
• 2:18
  of
• 2:18
  your
• 2:19
  first
• 2:19
  book
• 2:19
  before
• 2:19
  you
• 2:20
  like,
• 2:20
  got
• 2:20
  hundreds
• 2:20
  of
• 2:20
  copies
• 2:21
  to
• 2:21
  give
• 2:21
  to
• 2:21
  people
• 2:21
  before
• 2:22
  your
• 2:22
  book
• 2:22
  launched.
• 2:23
  Oh
• 2:23
  my
• 2:24
  gosh,
• 2:24
  that
• 2:24
  was
• 2:25
  back
• 2:25
  in
• 2:25
  the
• 2:25
  day.
• 2:25
  Even
• 2:25
  though
• 2:25
  I
• 2:26
  Guess
• 2:26
  that's
• 2:26
  talking
• 2:27
  four
• 2:27
  years
• 2:27
  ago.
• 2:27
  But
• 2:28
  listen,
• 2:28
  at
• 2:29
  least
• 2:29
  I
• 2:29
  always
• 2:29
  get
• 2:29
  a
• 2:29
  chance
• 2:30
  to
• 2:30
  see
• 2:30
  you
• 2:30
  at
• 2:30
  all
• 2:30
  the
• 2:30
  shows
• 2:31
  and
• 2:31
  just,
• 2:31
  you
• 2:31
  know,
• 2:31
  we
• 2:32
  communicate
• 2:32
  frequently,
• 2:33
  so.
• 2:33
  And
• 2:33
  I,
• 2:34
  I'm
• 2:34
  a.
• 2:34
  I'm
• 2:34
  a
• 2:34
  fan
• 2:34
  of
• 2:35
  your
• 2:35
  podcast,
• 2:35
  so
• 2:35
  I
• 2:36
  hear
• 2:36
  you
• 2:36
  on
• 2:36
  a
• 2:36
  pretty
• 2:37
  regular
• 2:37
  basis.
• 2:38
  Well,
• 2:38
  I
• 2:38
  appreciate
• 2:39
  that.
• 2:39
  Well,
• 2:39
  you
• 2:39
  know,
• 2:39
  before
• 2:40
  we
• 2:40
  kind
• 2:40
  of
• 2:40
  get
• 2:40
  down
• 2:40
  to
• 2:40
  brass
• 2:41
  tacks
• 2:41
  tonight,
• 2:42
  I
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  kind
• 2:43
  of
• 2:43
  curious.
• 2:43
  How
• 2:43
  was
• 2:43
  your
• 2:43
  2024
• 2:44
  fishing
• 2:44
  season?
• 2:45
  Oh,
• 2:46
  my
• 2:46
  gosh,
• 2:46
  it
• 2:46
  was
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  great
• 2:47
  season.
• 2:47
  I
• 2:47
  mean,
• 2:48
  you
• 2:48
  know,
• 2:48
  I'm
• 2:48
  very
• 2:48
  fortunate,
• 2:49
  besides
• 2:49
  all
• 2:49
  the
• 2:50
  travel
• 2:50
  and
• 2:50
  that
• 2:50
  type
• 2:50
  of
• 2:51
  stuff,
• 2:51
  because,
• 2:51
  you
• 2:51
  know,
• 2:52
  we'll.
• 2:52
  We'll
• 2:52
  go
• 2:52
  down
• 2:52
  those
• 2:53
  paths
• 2:53
  eventually.
• 2:55
  Some
• 2:55
  of
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  fish
• 2:55
  that,
• 2:56
  you
• 2:56
  know,
• 2:56
  a
• 2:56
  few
• 2:56
  years
• 2:56
  ago,
• 2:57
  probably
• 2:57
  when,
• 2:58
  when
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  and
• 2:58
  I
• 2:58
  last
• 2:58
  spoke
• 2:59
  that
• 2:59
  I
• 2:59
  said
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  was
• 3:00
  really
• 3:00
  starting
• 3:01
  to,
• 3:01
  you
• 3:01
  know,
• 3:02
  chase
• 3:02
  a
• 3:02
  little
• 3:02
  bit
• 3:02
  more,
• 3:03
  include
• 3:03
  muskies.
• 3:04
  And
• 3:05
  this
• 3:05
  year
• 3:06
  had
• 3:06
  a
• 3:06
  couple
• 3:06
  days
• 3:06
  out
• 3:07
  for
• 3:07
  muskies,
• 3:07
  and
• 3:07
  just
• 3:08
  some
• 3:08
  banner
• 3:08
  days,
• 3:09
  you
• 3:09
  know,
• 3:09
  hooked
• 3:09
  a
• 3:09
  number
• 3:10
  of
• 3:10
  fish,
• 3:10
  landed
• 3:10
  a
• 3:10
  bunch
• 3:11
  of
• 3:11
  fish
• 3:11
  this
• 3:11
  year.
• 3:11
  So
• 3:12
  anytime
• 3:12
  you're.
• 3:13
  You're
• 3:13
  out
• 3:13
  there
• 3:13
  and
• 3:13
  you
• 3:14
  land
• 3:14
  multiple
• 3:14
  fish,
• 3:15
  multiple
• 3:15
  muskies
• 3:15
  in
• 3:16
  one
• 3:16
  day,
• 3:16
  that's.
• 3:17
  That's,
• 3:18
  you
• 3:18
  know,
• 3:18
  that's
• 3:18
  the
• 3:18
  goal.
• 3:19
  So,
• 3:19
  you
• 3:19
  know,
• 3:19
  had
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  couple
• 3:20
  of
• 3:20
  days
• 3:20
  like
• 3:20
  that
• 3:20
  in
• 3:20
  the
• 3:21
  24
• 3:21
  season.
• 3:21
  That
• 3:22
  was
• 3:22
  great.
• 3:23
  We
• 3:23
  went
• 3:24
  to
• 3:24
  Iceland
• 3:24
  again.
• 3:24
  My.
• 3:25
  My
• 3:25
  first
• 3:25
  time
• 3:25
  chasing
• 3:26
  Atlantic
• 3:26
  salmon
• 3:27
  over
• 3:27
  there.
• 3:27
  So
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  was
• 3:28
  able
• 3:28
  to
• 3:28
  land
• 3:29
  a
• 3:29
  handful
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  Atlantic
• 3:30
  salmon
• 3:30
  over
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  course
• 3:31
  of
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  week.
• 3:31
  That
• 3:32
  was
• 3:32
  just
• 3:32
  insane.
• 3:33
  Something
• 3:33
  I'd
• 3:34
  never
• 3:34
  even
• 3:34
  envisioned
• 3:35
  doing.
• 3:35
  And
• 3:35
  now
• 3:35
  I'm
• 3:36
  like
• 3:36
  completely
• 3:37
  down
• 3:37
  that
• 3:37
  rabbit
• 3:37
  hole.
• 3:38
  And
• 3:38
  then
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  guess
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  other
• 3:39
  aspect
• 3:39
  of
• 3:40
  it,
• 3:40
  my
• 3:40
  family
• 3:41
  all
• 3:41
  fishes.
• 3:41
  You
• 3:41
  know,
• 3:41
  my
• 3:41
  wife,
• 3:42
  her
• 3:42
  name's
• 3:42
  Heather,
• 3:43
  she
• 3:43
  loves
• 3:43
  to
• 3:44
  fly
• 3:44
  fish.
• 3:44
  We
• 3:44
  have
• 3:44
  two
• 3:44
  children,
• 3:45
  Angelo
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  Fina.
• 3:46
  They're,
• 3:46
  you
• 3:47
  know,
• 3:47
  nine
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  four
• 3:47
  as
• 3:48
  of
• 3:48
  this
• 3:48
  recording.
• 3:48
  And
• 3:49
  they,
• 3:49
  they
• 3:50
  get
• 3:50
  drug
• 3:50
  along
• 3:50
  on
• 3:50
  our
• 3:50
  adventures
• 3:51
  all
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  time.
• 3:51
  So
• 3:52
  we
• 3:52
  had
• 3:52
  an
• 3:53
  awesome
• 3:53
  season
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  whole
• 3:54
  way
• 3:54
  up
• 3:54
  to,
• 3:54
  I
• 3:54
  think
• 3:54
  December
• 3:55
  28th
• 3:55
  was
• 3:56
  our
• 3:56
  last
• 3:56
  day.
• 3:56
  We
• 3:56
  were
• 3:56
  fishing
• 3:57
  the
• 3:57
  Lake
• 3:57
  Erie
• 3:58
  tributaries
• 3:58
  for
• 3:58
  steelhead.
• 3:59
  So
• 3:59
  we.
• 4:00
  We
• 4:00
  tried
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  maximize
• 4:01
  as
• 4:01
  many
• 4:01
  days
• 4:02
  fishing
• 4:02
  together
• 4:02
  as
• 4:02
  a
• 4:02
  family
• 4:03
  as
• 4:03
  we
• 4:03
  could.
• 4:03
  And
• 4:03
  we.
• 4:03
  We
• 4:04
  all
• 4:04
  caught
• 4:04
  fish
• 4:04
  that
• 4:04
  day.
• 4:05
  Yeah,
• 4:05
  that's
• 4:05
  pretty
• 4:05
  neat.
• 4:06
  That
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  before
• 4:07
  the.
• 4:07
  The
• 4:07
  after
• 4:08
  Christmas
• 4:08
  slush
• 4:09
  hit,
• 4:09
  right?
• 4:10
  That's
• 4:10
  all
• 4:10
  poor
• 4:11
  Erie.
• 4:11
  I
• 4:11
  mean,
• 4:12
  for
• 4:12
  all
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  your
• 4:12
  listeners
• 4:12
  from
• 4:12
  Erie,
• 4:13
  Pennsylvania,
• 4:13
  I
• 4:14
  mean,
• 4:14
  they
• 4:14
  had
• 4:14
  around
• 4:15
  Thanksgiving,
• 4:15
  after
• 4:15
  Thanksgiving,
• 4:16
  they
• 4:16
  just
• 4:16
  got
• 4:16
  bombarded
• 4:17
  with
• 4:17
  feet
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  snow.
• 4:18
  And
• 4:19
  then
• 4:19
  again
• 4:19
  after
• 4:19
  Christmas,
• 4:20
  they
• 4:20
  just
• 4:20
  got
• 4:20
  bombard
• 4:21
  snow.
• 4:22
  It
• 4:22
  just.
• 4:23
  It's
• 4:23
  one
• 4:23
  of
• 4:23
  those.
• 4:23
  Those
• 4:24
  places
• 4:24
  if
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  live
• 4:24
  up
• 4:24
  there,
• 4:25
  it's
• 4:25
  you.
• 4:25
  You're
• 4:26
  just
• 4:26
  kind
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  expecting
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  worst
• 4:27
  at
• 4:28
  times.
• 4:28
  Yeah,
• 4:29
  it's
• 4:29
  also
• 4:29
  hard
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  find
• 4:30
  green
• 4:30
  vegetables
• 4:31
  up
• 4:31
  there.
• 4:31
  Every
• 4:31
  time
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  go
• 4:31
  up
• 4:32
  there
• 4:32
  to
• 4:32
  fish,
• 4:32
  it's
• 4:32
  basically
• 4:33
  like
• 4:33
  steak
• 4:33
  and
• 4:34
  pierogies.
• 4:35
  Oh,
• 4:35
  my
• 4:35
  God.
• 4:35
  That's,
• 4:36
  that's,
• 4:36
  that's
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  place.
• 4:37
  You
• 4:37
  know,
• 4:37
  Erie.
• 4:38
  Well,
• 4:38
  yeah.
• 4:38
  So,
• 4:39
  you
• 4:39
  know,
• 4:39
  it's
• 4:39
  interesting
• 4:40
  you
• 4:40
  had
• 4:40
  mentioned
• 4:40
  Iceland,
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  know
• 4:41
  you've
• 4:41
  been
• 4:42
  going
• 4:43
  there
• 4:43
  multiple
• 4:44
  years,
• 4:44
  but
• 4:44
  I
• 4:44
  also
• 4:45
  noticed
• 4:45
  on
• 4:45
  your
• 4:45
  website
• 4:45
  you've
• 4:46
  got
• 4:46
  a
• 4:46
  20,
• 4:46
  25
• 4:47
  trip
• 4:47
  to
• 4:47
  Alaska.
• 4:48
  Is
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  relatively
• 4:49
  new
• 4:49
  thing
• 4:49
  for
• 4:49
  you?
• 4:50
  Yeah,
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  mean,
• 4:51
  I've
• 4:51
  been
• 4:51
  hosting
• 4:52
  trips
• 4:52
  to
• 4:52
  Iceland
• 4:52
  for
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  don't
• 4:53
  know
• 4:53
  how
• 4:53
  many
• 4:54
  years,
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  I
• 4:55
  love
• 4:55
  it.
• 4:55
  And
• 4:55
  going
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  European
• 4:57
  country
• 4:57
  like
• 4:57
  that,
• 4:57
  really,
• 4:58
  there's
• 4:58
  a
• 4:59
  lot
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  tackle
• 4:59
  there.
• 5:00
  And
• 5:00
  I'd
• 5:00
  always
• 5:00
  said
• 5:01
  I
• 5:01
  probably
• 5:01
  wouldn't
• 5:02
  host
• 5:02
  too
• 5:02
  many
• 5:02
  trips
• 5:02
  in
• 5:02
  the
• 5:03
  United
• 5:03
  States,
• 5:03
  maybe
• 5:04
  Montana,
• 5:04
  but
• 5:04
  just
• 5:05
  because,
• 5:05
  you
• 5:05
  know,
• 5:05
  it's
• 5:05
  a
• 5:06
  little
• 5:06
  bit
• 5:06
  easier.
• 5:06
  The
• 5:06
  entry
• 5:07
  level
• 5:07
  for
• 5:07
  trips
• 5:08
  is
• 5:09
  a
• 5:09
  little
• 5:09
  bit
• 5:09
  more
• 5:10
  doable
• 5:10
  for
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  average
• 5:11
  angler,
• 5:12
  but
• 5:12
  Alaska
• 5:13
  is
• 5:13
  a
• 5:13
  tricky
• 5:13
  spot.
• 5:14
  And
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  started
• 5:15
  doing
• 5:16
  research
• 5:16
  on
• 5:16
  Alaska
• 5:16
  maybe
• 5:17
  four
• 5:17
  or
• 5:17
  five
• 5:17
  years
• 5:17
  ago,
• 5:18
  just
• 5:18
  knowing
• 5:18
  that
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  wanted
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  get
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  Alaska.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  want
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  fish
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  remote
• 5:21
  area
• 5:21
  of
• 5:22
  Alaska.
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  was
• 5:23
  looking
• 5:23
  for
• 5:24
  fly
• 5:24
  in
• 5:24
  lodge,
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  place
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  we
• 5:25
  could
• 5:26
  fly
• 5:26
  into,
• 5:26
  be
• 5:26
  away
• 5:27
  from
• 5:27
  everybody
• 5:27
  else,
• 5:27
  have
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  river
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  ourselves.
• 5:29
  But
• 5:29
  I
• 5:29
  also
• 5:29
  want
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  find
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  lodge
• 5:30
  that
• 5:30
  wouldn't
• 5:31
  break
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  bank
• 5:31
  because
• 5:31
  a
• 5:32
  lot
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  those
• 5:32
  fly
• 5:32
  outs,
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  mean,
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  can
• 5:34
  really
• 5:34
  just
• 5:35
  drop
• 5:35
  thousands
• 5:36
  of
• 5:36
  dollars
• 5:36
  in
• 5:36
  a
• 5:37
  heartbeat,
• 5:37
  and
• 5:38
  it's
• 5:38
  tricky.
• 5:38
  So
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  was
• 5:39
  trying
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  really
• 5:39
  balance
• 5:40
  that
• 5:40
  and
• 5:40
  figure
• 5:40
  it
• 5:40
  out,
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  I,
• 5:41
  you
• 5:41
  know,
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  found
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  right
• 5:42
  outfitter
• 5:43
  a
• 5:43
  couple
• 5:43
  of
• 5:43
  years
• 5:43
  ago,
• 5:44
  took
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  trip
• 5:44
  for
• 5:44
  king
• 5:45
  salmon.
• 5:45
  Loved
• 5:46
  it.
• 5:46
  I
• 5:46
  mean,
• 5:46
  just
• 5:47
  had
• 5:47
  a
• 5:47
  wonderful
• 5:47
  experience.
• 5:48
  Then
• 5:49
  last
• 5:49
  year,
• 5:49
  went
• 5:49
  back
• 5:50
  for
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  silvers.
• 5:51
  Love
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  silvers.
• 5:51
  But
• 5:52
  then
• 5:52
  we
• 5:52
  also
• 5:52
  started
• 5:53
  tackling
• 5:53
  the
• 5:54
  rainbow
• 5:55
  trout
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  the,
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  grayling.
• 5:57
  And,
• 5:57
  you
• 5:58
  know,
• 5:58
  just.
• 5:58
  We
• 5:58
  just
• 5:59
  found
• 5:59
  a
• 5:59
  little
• 5:59
  bit
• 5:59
  of
• 6:00
  everything,
• 6:00
  including
• 6:00
  Dolly
• 6:01
  Varden.
• 6:01
  So
• 6:02
  we
• 6:02
  just
• 6:02
  had
• 6:02
  a
• 6:02
  blast.
• 6:02
  And
• 6:03
  so
• 6:03
  that's
• 6:03
  kind
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  been
• 6:04
  added
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  docket.
• 6:05
  So
• 6:05
  as
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  right
• 6:05
  now,
• 6:05
  that's
• 6:06
  another
• 6:06
  trip
• 6:07
  that
• 6:07
  I'm
• 6:07
  making
• 6:07
  on
• 6:07
  a
• 6:07
  yearly
• 6:08
  basis.
• 6:08
  Yeah.
• 6:09
  So
• 6:09
  you've
• 6:09
  got
• 6:09
  two
• 6:09
  Iceland
• 6:10
  trips
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  2025,
• 6:11
  one
• 6:11
  Alaska
• 6:12
  trip.
• 6:12
  Do
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  have
• 6:12
  any
• 6:13
  room
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  any
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  those
• 6:14
  trips?
• 6:14
  Gosh,
• 6:15
  I'm,
• 6:15
  I'm
• 6:15
  very
• 6:15
  fortunate.
• 6:16
  Most
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  my
• 6:16
  trips
• 6:16
  sell
• 6:17
  out
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  pretty
• 6:17
  short
• 6:17
  amount
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  time.
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  want
• 6:18
  to
• 6:18
  say
• 6:19
  one
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  the,
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  Iceland
• 6:20
  trips,
• 6:21
  we're.
• 6:21
  We're
• 6:21
  kind
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  rotating
• 6:22
  that
• 6:22
  trip
• 6:22
  around
• 6:22
  waterfalls,
• 6:23
  so
• 6:23
  we're
• 6:23
  kind
• 6:23
  of
• 6:24
  calling
• 6:24
  it
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  highlands
• 6:25
  waterfall
• 6:25
  trip
• 6:26
  this
• 6:26
  year.
• 6:26
  I
• 6:26
  forget
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  actual
• 6:27
  name
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  trip,
• 6:27
  but
• 6:28
  that
• 6:28
  one
• 6:28
  sold
• 6:28
  out
• 6:29
  Very
• 6:29
  quick.
• 6:29
  You
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:29
  it
• 6:30
  was.
• 6:30
  It
• 6:30
  was
• 6:30
  pretty
• 6:30
  much
• 6:30
  gone
• 6:31
  before
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  listed
• 6:31
  it,
• 6:32
  which
• 6:32
  was.
• 6:32
  Which
• 6:32
  awesome.
• 6:33
  It's
• 6:33
  really
• 6:33
  cool
• 6:33
  to
• 6:33
  know
• 6:34
  that
• 6:34
  people,
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  know,
• 6:34
  know
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  put
• 6:35
  a
• 6:35
  lot
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  time
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  have
• 6:36
  a
• 6:36
  lot
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  experience
• 6:36
  fishing
• 6:37
  over
• 6:37
  there.
• 6:37
  So
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  that
• 6:38
  trip,
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  premise
• 6:39
  is
• 6:39
  every
• 6:40
  day
• 6:40
  you're
• 6:40
  going
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  have
• 6:40
  an
• 6:40
  opportunity
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  fish
• 6:41
  below
• 6:42
  a
• 6:42
  waterfall.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
  the
• 6:43
  waterfalls
• 6:43
  there
• 6:43
  are
• 6:43
  like,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  don't
• 6:44
  know,
• 6:44
  straight
• 6:44
  out
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  Lord
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  Rings
• 6:46
  or
• 6:46
  something.
• 6:46
  They're
• 6:46
  just.
• 6:47
  They're
• 6:47
  absolutely
• 6:48
  insane.
• 6:48
  So
• 6:48
  that's
• 6:48
  Iceland
• 6:49
  trip
• 6:49
  number
• 6:49
  one.
• 6:50
  That
• 6:50
  one's.
• 6:50
  That's
• 6:50
  unfortunately
• 6:51
  sold
• 6:51
  out.
• 6:53
  My
• 6:53
  second
• 6:53
  Iceland
• 6:54
  trip
• 6:54
  is
• 6:54
  kind
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  newer
• 6:55
  one.
• 6:55
  This
• 6:55
  is
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  Atlantic
• 6:56
  salmon
• 6:56
  trip.
• 6:57
  But
• 6:57
  with
• 6:57
  Atlantic
• 6:58
  salmon,
• 6:58
  what
• 6:58
  I've
• 6:58
  realized
• 6:59
  is
• 6:59
  all
• 6:59
  those
• 6:59
  rivers
• 7:00
  in
• 7:00
  Iceland,
• 7:00
  they
• 7:00
  tend
• 7:00
  to
• 7:01
  be
• 7:01
  private.
• 7:01
  So
• 7:02
  for
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  book
• 7:02
  an
• 7:03
  Atlantic
• 7:03
  salmon
• 7:04
  river
• 7:04
  for
• 7:04
  an
• 7:04
  entire
• 7:05
  week,
• 7:05
  that.
• 7:06
  That's
• 7:06
  definitely
• 7:07
  going
• 7:07
  to
• 7:07
  drive
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  cost
• 7:07
  up.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  was
• 7:08
  able
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  work
• 7:09
  with
• 7:09
  an
• 7:09
  outfitter
• 7:10
  over
• 7:10
  there
• 7:10
  that,
• 7:11
  that,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:12
  everything
• 7:12
  just
• 7:12
  worked
• 7:12
  out
• 7:12
  really
• 7:13
  well.
• 7:13
  He
• 7:13
  happens
• 7:13
  to
• 7:14
  be
• 7:14
  right.
• 7:14
  You
• 7:14
  know,
• 7:14
  also
• 7:14
  have
• 7:15
  access
• 7:15
  to
• 7:15
  a
• 7:15
  river
• 7:15
  that's
• 7:16
  just
• 7:16
  known
• 7:16
  for
• 7:16
  brown
• 7:16
  trout
• 7:17
  that
• 7:17
  like
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  eat
• 7:18
  dry
• 7:18
  flies,
• 7:18
  and
• 7:19
  they're
• 7:19
  all
• 7:19
  these
• 7:19
  monster
• 7:20
  brown
• 7:20
  trout.
• 7:21
  So
• 7:21
  we,
• 7:21
  we
• 7:22
  found
• 7:22
  a
• 7:22
  way
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  kind
• 7:22
  of
• 7:22
  balance
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  trip
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  make
• 7:23
  it
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  little
• 7:24
  bit
• 7:24
  more
• 7:24
  affordable.
• 7:25
  So
• 7:25
  it's
• 7:25
  a
• 7:26
  half
• 7:26
  Atlantic
• 7:26
  salmon,
• 7:27
  half
• 7:27
  brown
• 7:27
  trout
• 7:28
  trip.
• 7:28
  So
• 7:29
  it's
• 7:29
  kind
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  for
• 7:29
  those
• 7:30
  newer
• 7:30
  people,
• 7:30
  newer
• 7:31
  anglers
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  Atlantic
• 7:32
  salmon
• 7:32
  fishing
• 7:32
  because,
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  know,
• 7:33
  a
• 7:33
  lot
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  anglers
• 7:34
  will,
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:34
  chase
• 7:35
  them
• 7:35
  all
• 7:35
  around
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  world
• 7:35
  and
• 7:36
  they'll
• 7:36
  go
• 7:36
  an
• 7:36
  entire
• 7:37
  week
• 7:37
  and
• 7:37
  they
• 7:37
  have
• 7:37
  like
• 7:38
  an
• 7:38
  eat
• 7:38
  or,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  know,
• 7:38
  they
• 7:39
  missed
• 7:39
  one
• 7:39
  or
• 7:39
  maybe
• 7:40
  they
• 7:40
  felt
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  fish
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  that
• 7:41
  was
• 7:41
  their
• 7:41
  week.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:42
  like,
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  expectation
• 7:42
  when
• 7:43
  we're
• 7:43
  there
• 7:43
  is
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  you're
• 7:44
  going
• 7:44
  to
• 7:44
  have
• 7:44
  an
• 7:44
  opportunity
• 7:44
  to
• 7:45
  land
• 7:45
  one
• 7:46
  every
• 7:46
  time
• 7:46
  you're
• 7:46
  out.
• 7:47
  You
• 7:47
  fish
• 7:47
  for
• 7:47
  salmon
• 7:48
  twice
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  day,
• 7:48
  so
• 7:49
  it's.
• 7:49
  You
• 7:49
  have
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  chance,
• 7:50
  you
• 7:50
  know,
• 7:50
  you're
• 7:50
  expected
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  catch
• 7:51
  somewhere
• 7:51
  around
• 7:52
  six
• 7:52
  Atlantic
• 7:52
  salmon
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  a
• 7:53
  week,
• 7:53
  which
• 7:54
  is
• 7:54
  awesome.
• 7:55
  Plus
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  have
• 7:55
  brown
• 7:56
  trout
• 7:56
  every
• 7:56
  other
• 7:57
  day
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  love
• 7:58
  to
• 7:58
  eat
• 7:58
  dry
• 7:58
  flies
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  streamers.
• 7:59
  So
• 8:00
  that
• 8:00
  trip's
• 8:00
  newer
• 8:01
  one,
• 8:01
  I
• 8:01
  believe,
• 8:01
  as
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  this
• 8:02
  recording,
• 8:02
  there's
• 8:02
  spots
• 8:03
  on
• 8:03
  that.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:04
  then
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  Alaska
• 8:04
  trip,
• 8:05
  that's
• 8:06
  an
• 8:06
  early,
• 8:07
  early
• 8:07
  August
• 8:08
  trip
• 8:08
  for,
• 8:08
  for
• 8:08
  summer
• 8:09
  2025.
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  want
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  say
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  we.
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  have
• 8:11
  one
• 8:12
  or
• 8:12
  two
• 8:12
  spots
• 8:13
  left
• 8:13
  on
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  trip.
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  know
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  some
• 8:14
  people
• 8:14
  who
• 8:14
  are
• 8:15
  kind
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  reserves,
• 8:16
  are
• 8:16
  waiting
• 8:16
  for
• 8:16
  a
• 8:17
  couple
• 8:17
  things
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  happen,
• 8:18
  but
• 8:18
  that's
• 8:19
  another
• 8:19
  fun
• 8:19
  trip.
• 8:20
  Last
• 8:20
  year
• 8:20
  we
• 8:21
  made
• 8:21
  that
• 8:21
  trip
• 8:21
  and
• 8:22
  a
• 8:22
  couple
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  us
• 8:22
  caught.
• 8:23
  Gosh,
• 8:23
  what's
• 8:23
  it
• 8:24
  called.
• 8:24
  When
• 8:24
  you
• 8:24
  catch
• 8:24
  every
• 8:25
  salmon
• 8:25
  in
• 8:26
  Alaska,
• 8:26
  they
• 8:27
  have
• 8:27
  a
• 8:27
  name
• 8:27
  for
• 8:27
  it.
• 8:28
  It's
• 8:28
  not
• 8:28
  a
• 8:29
  hat
• 8:29
  trick.
• 8:29
  It's
• 8:29
  probably
• 8:30
  bigger
• 8:30
  than
• 8:30
  that,
• 8:30
  right?
• 8:31
  Gosh,
• 8:31
  I'm
• 8:31
  blanking
• 8:32
  on
• 8:32
  it.
• 8:32
  Yeah.
• 8:33
  I'll
• 8:33
  come
• 8:33
  up
• 8:33
  with
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  name
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  it,
• 8:34
  like,
• 8:34
  halfway
• 8:34
  through
• 8:34
  this
• 8:34
  recording.
• 8:35
  But
• 8:35
  they
• 8:35
  have
• 8:36
  five.
• 8:36
  Five
• 8:36
  salmon
• 8:37
  up
• 8:37
  there.
• 8:37
  And,
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  know,
• 8:38
  we
• 8:38
  went
• 8:39
  up
• 8:39
  there
• 8:39
  targeting
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  silver
• 8:40
  salmon.
• 8:40
  That
• 8:40
  was
• 8:40
  kind
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  trip.
• 8:41
  It
• 8:41
  was
• 8:41
  like
• 8:41
  silver
• 8:42
  salmon,
• 8:42
  some
• 8:42
  rainbow
• 8:43
  trout,
• 8:43
  some
• 8:43
  dollies.
• 8:44
  You
• 8:44
  know,
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  was
• 8:44
  kind
• 8:44
  of
• 8:45
  our
• 8:45
  focus.
• 8:45
  But
• 8:46
  then,
• 8:46
  like,
• 8:46
  after
• 8:46
  a
• 8:47
  couple
• 8:47
  days,
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  know,
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  caught
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  pink
• 8:48
  salmon.
• 8:48
  Then
• 8:49
  next
• 8:49
  thing
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  knew,
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  caught,
• 8:50
  like,
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  king
• 8:51
  salmon.
• 8:52
  Then,
• 8:52
  you
• 8:52
  know,
• 8:52
  you
• 8:52
  just.
• 8:53
  You.
• 8:53
  I.
• 8:53
  I
• 8:53
  kept
• 8:53
  catching
• 8:54
  them.
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  caught,
• 8:54
  like,
• 8:54
  another
• 8:54
  one
• 8:55
  that's
• 8:55
  called
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  dog
• 8:55
  salmon.
• 8:56
  I'm
• 8:56
  like,
• 8:56
  oh,
• 8:56
  gosh.
• 8:56
  Like,
• 8:57
  I've
• 8:57
  caught
• 8:57
  four
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  five,
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  then
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  caught
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  fifth,
• 8:59
  and
• 8:59
  I
• 8:59
  was
• 8:59
  like,
• 8:59
  oh,
• 8:59
  my.
• 9:00
  You
• 9:00
  know,
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  got
• 9:00
  all
• 9:00
  fifth.
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  got.
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  got
• 9:02
  all
• 9:02
  five
• 9:02
  of
• 9:02
  those
• 9:02
  salmon,
• 9:03
  which
• 9:03
  was
• 9:03
  just.
• 9:04
  It
• 9:04
  was
• 9:04
  not
• 9:04
  something
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  was
• 9:05
  chasing.
• 9:05
  It
• 9:05
  was
• 9:06
  something
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  knew
• 9:06
  was
• 9:06
  possible.
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  know
• 9:08
  before
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  had
• 9:08
  gone,
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  talked
• 9:09
  to
• 9:09
  my
• 9:09
  friend
• 9:09
  Suntal,
• 9:10
  and
• 9:10
  he's
• 9:10
  like,
• 9:10
  tim,
• 9:10
  you're
• 9:10
  gonna
• 9:11
  have
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  chance
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  do
• 9:11
  this.
• 9:12
  And
• 9:12
  I'm
• 9:12
  like,
• 9:12
  I'm
• 9:12
  gonna
• 9:13
  try
• 9:13
  if
• 9:13
  the
• 9:14
  opportunity's
• 9:14
  there.
• 9:14
  And,
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  know,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  went
• 9:16
  after
• 9:16
  it.
• 9:16
  And
• 9:16
  my
• 9:16
  goal
• 9:17
  for
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  trip
• 9:17
  was
• 9:18
  after
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  caught
• 9:18
  my
• 9:19
  fifth
• 9:19
  salmon,
• 9:19
  I'm
• 9:19
  like,
• 9:20
  I'm
• 9:20
  gonna
• 9:20
  catch
• 9:20
  every
• 9:21
  fish
• 9:21
  that's
• 9:21
  up
• 9:21
  here.
• 9:22
  You
• 9:22
  know,
• 9:22
  I.
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  got
• 9:22
  a
• 9:23
  grayling,
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  got
• 9:23
  dolly.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:24
  got
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  rainbow
• 9:24
  trout.
• 9:25
  And
• 9:25
  I.
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  remember
• 9:26
  I'm
• 9:26
  eating
• 9:26
  dinner,
• 9:27
  like,
• 9:27
  before
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  last
• 9:27
  day,
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  say
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  my
• 9:28
  guide,
• 9:29
  I'm
• 9:29
  like,
• 9:29
  hey,
• 9:29
  I
• 9:30
  think
• 9:30
  I've
• 9:30
  got
• 9:30
  them
• 9:30
  all.
• 9:30
  What
• 9:31
  do
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  have
• 9:31
  left?
• 9:31
  And
• 9:31
  he's
• 9:31
  like,
• 9:32
  there's
• 9:32
  pike
• 9:32
  up
• 9:33
  here,
• 9:33
  Tim.
• 9:33
  We're
• 9:33
  going
• 9:33
  pike
• 9:34
  fishing
• 9:34
  tomorrow.
• 9:35
  And
• 9:35
  I
• 9:35
  spent
• 9:35
  half
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  day
• 9:36
  pike
• 9:36
  fishing,
• 9:37
  and
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  could
• 9:37
  not
• 9:38
  get
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  pike
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  eat
• 9:39
  my
• 9:39
  fly.
• 9:39
  So
• 9:40
  now
• 9:40
  I
• 9:40
  have
• 9:40
  a
• 9:41
  new
• 9:41
  goal
• 9:41
  for
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  summer.
• 9:42
  Who
• 9:42
  says
• 9:42
  they
• 9:43
  go
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  Alaska
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  catch
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  pike?
• 9:44
  But
• 9:44
  that's
• 9:45
  me.
• 9:45
  There
• 9:46
  are
• 9:46
  people
• 9:46
  that
• 9:46
  do
• 9:46
  it,
• 9:46
  but,
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  know,
• 9:47
  also,
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  bet
• 9:47
  you.
• 9:47
  Is
• 9:47
  it.
• 9:48
  Is
• 9:48
  it
• 9:48
  a
• 9:48
  slam
• 9:48
  by
• 9:49
  chance?
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  think
• 9:50
  it
• 9:50
  is.
• 9:50
  Yeah.
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  think
• 9:50
  that's
• 9:51
  what
• 9:51
  it's
• 9:51
  called.
• 9:51
  The
• 9:51
  grand
• 9:51
  slam.
• 9:52
  Exactly.
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  would
• 9:53
  think
• 9:53
  we
• 9:53
  were
• 9:53
  calling
• 9:54
  it
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  Malchot
• 9:54
  in
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  Grand
• 9:55
  slam.
• 9:55
  We're
• 9:55
  on
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  Malchot
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  river.
• 9:56
  Yeah.
• 9:57
  And
• 9:57
  I
• 9:57
  was
• 9:58
  going
• 9:58
  to
• 9:58
  ask
• 9:58
  you
• 9:58
  about
• 9:58
  your
• 9:58
  Atlantic
• 9:59
  salmon
• 9:59
  trip.
• 9:59
  Do
• 9:59
  you
• 9:59
  get
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  hang
• 10:00
  out
• 10:00
  with
• 10:00
  Eric
• 10:00
  Clapton?
• 10:01
  Oh,
• 10:02
  my
• 10:02
  gosh.
• 10:02
  Eric
• 10:02
  is
• 10:03
  no.
• 10:03
  I.
• 10:03
  No.
• 10:04
  The
• 10:04
  short
• 10:04
  answer
• 10:04
  is
• 10:04
  no.
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  wish
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  Did.
• 10:06
  From
• 10:06
  what
• 10:06
  I
• 10:07
  understand
• 10:07
  with
• 10:07
  Eric,
• 10:07
  he.
• 10:08
  He
• 10:08
  rents
• 10:08
  those
• 10:09
  rivers
• 10:09
  or
• 10:09
  he'll.
• 10:09
  He'll
• 10:10
  lease
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  river
• 10:10
  for
• 10:11
  two
• 10:11
  weeks
• 10:11
  whenever
• 10:12
  he's
• 10:12
  Atlantic
• 10:12
  salmon
• 10:12
  fishing.
• 10:13
  In
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  first
• 10:13
  week,
• 10:14
  no
• 10:14
  one
• 10:14
  fishes
• 10:15
  it.
• 10:15
  And
• 10:15
  those
• 10:15
  fish
• 10:16
  just
• 10:16
  rest
• 10:16
  and
• 10:16
  then
• 10:16
  he
• 10:17
  comes
• 10:17
  in,
• 10:17
  he
• 10:17
  fishes
• 10:17
  it
• 10:18
  for
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  week.
• 10:19
  At
• 10:19
  least
• 10:19
  that's
• 10:19
  what
• 10:19
  I've
• 10:20
  been
• 10:20
  told.
• 10:20
  So
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  think
• 10:21
  Eric
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  I,
• 10:22
  we
• 10:22
  run
• 10:22
  in
• 10:22
  two
• 10:23
  different
• 10:23
  circles.
• 10:23
  But
• 10:23
  I
• 10:24
  would
• 10:24
  love
• 10:24
  to
• 10:24
  have
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  opportunity
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  fish
• 10:25
  with
• 10:25
  him
• 10:25
  because
• 10:26
  I've
• 10:26
  heard
• 10:26
  he's
• 10:26
  a
• 10:26
  pretty
• 10:26
  darn
• 10:27
  good
• 10:27
  darn
• 10:27
  good
• 10:28
  angler.
• 10:28
  Yeah,
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  bet
• 10:29
  you
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  music
• 10:29
  at
• 10:29
  the
• 10:30
  lodge
• 10:30
  is
• 10:30
  pretty
• 10:30
  good
• 10:30
  too.
• 10:31
  Oh,
• 10:31
  that'd
• 10:31
  be
• 10:32
  so
• 10:32
  could
• 10:32
  you.
• 10:32
  Can
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  imagine
• 10:33
  hanging
• 10:33
  out
• 10:33
  with
• 10:33
  Clapton?
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  mean,
• 10:34
  after
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  day
• 10:35
  on
• 10:35
  the
• 10:35
  river
• 10:35
  chasing
• 10:35
  salmon,
• 10:36
  that'd
• 10:37
  be
• 10:37
  awesome.
• 10:38
  Life
• 10:38
  would
• 10:38
  be
• 10:38
  good.
• 10:39
  Yeah.
• 10:39
  You
• 10:39
  know,
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  so
• 10:39
  it's
• 10:40
  funny
• 10:40
  too,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:40
  you,
• 10:41
  you
• 10:41
  mad
• 10:41
  scientists
• 10:42
  tying
• 10:42
  folks,
• 10:43
  you're
• 10:43
  always
• 10:43
  playing
• 10:44
  around
• 10:44
  with
• 10:44
  stuff.
• 10:45
  So
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  guarantee
• 10:47
  also
• 10:47
  too,
• 10:48
  in
• 10:48
  your
• 10:48
  book
• 10:48
  homage
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  like
• 10:49
  all
• 10:49
  of
• 10:49
  your
• 10:50
  brands
• 10:50
  that
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  work
• 10:51
  with.
• 10:51
  So
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  have
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  be
• 10:53
  playing
• 10:53
  around
• 10:53
  with
• 10:53
  some
• 10:54
  new
• 10:54
  materials
• 10:54
  or
• 10:54
  tools
• 10:55
  at
• 10:55
  your
• 10:55
  bench.
• 10:55
  You
• 10:55
  have
• 10:55
  anything
• 10:55
  you
• 10:56
  want
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  share?
• 10:56
  Oh,
• 10:57
  gosh.
• 10:57
  Well,
• 10:57
  I'm
• 10:57
  sitting
• 10:58
  at
• 10:58
  my
• 10:58
  fly
• 10:58
  tying
• 10:58
  bench
• 10:59
  right
• 10:59
  now
• 10:59
  and,
• 10:59
  and
• 11:00
  yeah,
• 11:00
  like
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  tell
• 11:01
  your
• 11:01
  listeners
• 11:01
  a
• 11:01
  little
• 11:01
  bit
• 11:02
  about
• 11:02
  my
• 11:02
  background,
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  actually
• 11:03
  learned
• 11:03
  how
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  tie
• 11:04
  flies
• 11:04
  first
• 11:05
  because
• 11:05
  before
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  learned
• 11:06
  how
• 11:06
  to,
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  fish,
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  was
• 11:07
  10
• 11:07
  years
• 11:07
  old.
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  took
• 11:08
  this
• 11:08
  like,
• 11:08
  after
• 11:09
  school
• 11:09
  fly
• 11:09
  tying
• 11:10
  class.
• 11:10
  Just
• 11:11
  fell
• 11:11
  in
• 11:11
  love
• 11:11
  with
• 11:11
  it.
• 11:12
  It
• 11:12
  was
• 11:12
  more
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  like
• 11:12
  a
• 11:12
  craft
• 11:13
  until
• 11:13
  I
• 11:13
  realized,
• 11:13
  like,
• 11:14
  you
• 11:14
  can
• 11:14
  actually
• 11:14
  catch
• 11:15
  fish
• 11:15
  on
• 11:15
  these
• 11:15
  flies.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:16
  then,
• 11:16
  you
• 11:16
  know,
• 11:16
  that
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  addiction
• 11:17
  just
• 11:17
  kind
• 11:18
  of
• 11:18
  spiraled
• 11:19
  from
• 11:19
  there
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  little
• 11:20
  bit
• 11:20
  out
• 11:20
  of
• 11:21
  control
• 11:21
  with
• 11:22
  materials.
• 11:23
  I
• 11:23
  am
• 11:23
  constantly
• 11:24
  tinkering.
• 11:25
  I'm
• 11:25
  just
• 11:25
  constantly
• 11:26
  trying
• 11:26
  to
• 11:26
  figure
• 11:26
  out
• 11:27
  new
• 11:27
  stuff.
• 11:27
  Probably
• 11:28
  the
• 11:28
  newest
• 11:29
  one
• 11:29
  that
• 11:29
  I've
• 11:29
  really
• 11:30
  been
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  most
• 11:31
  animated
• 11:31
  about,
• 11:32
  it's,
• 11:32
  it's
• 11:33
  based
• 11:33
  on
• 11:33
  one
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  my,
• 11:34
  my
• 11:34
  sponsors.
• 11:35
  It's
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  company
• 11:35
  called
• 11:35
  Semper
• 11:36
  Fly.
• 11:36
  I'm
• 11:36
  an
• 11:36
  ambassador
• 11:37
  for
• 11:37
  them
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  believe
• 11:38
  they
• 11:38
  make
• 11:38
  the
• 11:38
  best
• 11:38
  fly
• 11:39
  tying
• 11:39
  materials
• 11:39
  around
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  world.
• 11:41
  And
• 11:41
  they
• 11:41
  have,
• 11:41
  they're
• 11:42
  really
• 11:42
  known
• 11:42
  for
• 11:42
  their
• 11:42
  threads.
• 11:43
  They
• 11:43
  have
• 11:43
  some
• 11:43
  great
• 11:43
  threads,
• 11:44
  but
• 11:44
  they
• 11:44
  pretty
• 11:44
  much
• 11:44
  make
• 11:44
  all
• 11:45
  their
• 11:45
  products
• 11:45
  in
• 11:45
  house.
• 11:46
  The
• 11:46
  other
• 11:46
  nice
• 11:46
  thing
• 11:47
  about
• 11:47
  Semper
• 11:47
  Fly
• 11:48
  is
• 11:48
  they
• 11:48
  have
• 11:48
  this
• 11:49
  ability
• 11:49
  to
• 11:49
  dye
• 11:49
  their
• 11:50
  materials.
• 11:50
  They
• 11:51
  spent
• 11:51
  thousands
• 11:51
  of
• 11:52
  dollars
• 11:52
  on
• 11:52
  these
• 11:52
  dye
• 11:53
  machines,
• 11:53
  and
• 11:54
  whatever
• 11:54
  color
• 11:55
  they
• 11:55
  say
• 11:55
  they
• 11:55
  want
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  have,
• 11:56
  every
• 11:56
  one
• 11:57
  of
• 11:57
  their
• 11:57
  products
• 11:57
  matches
• 11:58
  that
• 11:58
  color.
• 11:58
  So
• 11:59
  if
• 11:59
  they
• 11:59
  have
• 11:59
  a
• 11:59
  red,
• 12:00
  every
• 12:00
  product
• 12:01
  in
• 12:01
  red
• 12:01
  will
• 12:01
  look
• 12:02
  exactly
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  same,
• 12:03
  which
• 12:03
  is,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
  don't
• 12:04
  see
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  across
• 12:05
  fly
• 12:05
  tying.
• 12:06
  A
• 12:06
  lot
• 12:06
  of
• 12:06
  these
• 12:06
  manufacturers
• 12:07
  will
• 12:07
  actually
• 12:07
  send
• 12:07
  their,
• 12:08
  their
• 12:08
  products
• 12:08
  out
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  get
• 12:09
  dyed
• 12:09
  somewhere
• 12:09
  else
• 12:09
  or
• 12:10
  they
• 12:10
  just,
• 12:10
  they
• 12:10
  dye
• 12:10
  whatever,
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:11
  they
• 12:11
  dye
• 12:11
  with
• 12:12
  whatever
• 12:12
  they
• 12:12
  have.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  it's,
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  consistency
• 12:13
  is
• 12:14
  questionable
• 12:14
  at
• 12:14
  times.
• 12:15
  So
• 12:15
  the
• 12:16
  product
• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
  they
• 12:16
  had
• 12:17
  released
• 12:17
  years
• 12:17
  ago
• 12:18
  is
• 12:18
  called
• 12:18
  Kapok
• 12:19
  dubbing.
• 12:20
  Your
• 12:20
  listeners
• 12:20
  may
• 12:20
  have
• 12:21
  heard
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  Kapok
• 12:21
  before.
• 12:21
  It's
• 12:22
  a
• 12:22
  natural
• 12:22
  fiber.
• 12:22
  I
• 12:23
  mean
• 12:23
  it's
• 12:23
  been
• 12:23
  out
• 12:23
  for
• 12:23
  decades.
• 12:25
  What's
• 12:25
  been
• 12:25
  tricky
• 12:26
  about
• 12:26
  Kapok
• 12:26
  is
• 12:27
  from,
• 12:27
  from
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  fly
• 12:28
  time
• 12:28
  perspective,
• 12:28
  you
• 12:29
  use
• 12:29
  it
• 12:29
  for
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  bodies
• 12:30
  of,
• 12:30
  of
• 12:30
  dry
• 12:30
  flies.
• 12:31
  It's
• 12:32
  super
• 12:32
  easy
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  dub.
• 12:33
  I
• 12:33
  mean
• 12:33
  it
• 12:33
  just
• 12:33
  dubs
• 12:33
  on
• 12:33
  your
• 12:34
  dubbing
• 12:34
  noodle.
• 12:34
  It
• 12:34
  just,
• 12:35
  it
• 12:35
  makes
• 12:35
  you
• 12:35
  like
• 12:36
  look
• 12:36
  like
• 12:36
  you're
• 12:36
  a
• 12:36
  professional.
• 12:37
  I
• 12:37
  mean,
• 12:37
  I'm
• 12:37
  just,
• 12:38
  it's
• 12:38
  one
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  those
• 12:38
  dubbings
• 12:39
  that
• 12:39
  just
• 12:39
  blows
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  away.
• 12:40
  The,
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  tricky
• 12:41
  part
• 12:41
  about
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  was
• 12:41
  that
• 12:42
  it
• 12:42
  was
• 12:42
  very
• 12:42
  difficult
• 12:43
  to
• 12:43
  die
• 12:43
  over
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  year.
• 12:44
  So
• 12:44
  Semper
• 12:45
  Fly
• 12:45
  ran
• 12:45
  it
• 12:45
  through
• 12:45
  their
• 12:45
  dye
• 12:46
  process.
• 12:46
  They,
• 12:46
  they
• 12:47
  dyed
• 12:47
  these
• 12:47
  awesome
• 12:47
  colors.
• 12:48
  You
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:48
  K
• 12:49
  pop
• 12:49
  came
• 12:49
  out,
• 12:49
  it
• 12:49
  was
• 12:50
  released.
• 12:50
  It
• 12:50
  just,
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  me,
• 12:51
  it's
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  best
• 12:52
  dry
• 12:52
  fly
• 12:52
  dubbing
• 12:52
  on
• 12:53
  the
• 12:53
  market.
• 12:53
  And
• 12:53
  I've,
• 12:54
  I've
• 12:54
  told
• 12:54
  people
• 12:54
  that.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:55
  then
• 12:56
  just
• 12:56
  recently
• 12:56
  we
• 12:56
  had
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  little
• 12:57
  fly
• 12:57
  jam.
• 12:58
  It's
• 12:58
  kind
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  what
• 12:58
  they
• 12:58
  call
• 12:59
  it
• 12:59
  when
• 12:59
  they
• 12:59
  bring
• 12:59
  all
• 12:59
  their,
• 13:00
  their
• 13:00
  pros
• 13:00
  together
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  they
• 13:01
  release
• 13:01
  new
• 13:01
  products
• 13:01
  with
• 13:02
  us
• 13:02
  first
• 13:02
  we
• 13:02
  can
• 13:02
  play
• 13:03
  around
• 13:03
  with
• 13:03
  them.
• 13:03
  And
• 13:04
  they
• 13:04
  released
• 13:04
  these
• 13:04
  products
• 13:05
  called
• 13:05
  Kapok
• 13:06
  Fusion
• 13:06
  and
• 13:07
  UV
• 13:07
  Kapok
• 13:08
  Fusion
• 13:08
  where
• 13:08
  they
• 13:09
  blended
• 13:09
  like
• 13:09
  some
• 13:10
  crystal
• 13:10
  flash
• 13:10
  and
• 13:11
  some
• 13:11
  UV
• 13:11
  fibers
• 13:12
  into
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  kapok
• 13:13
  and
• 13:14
  it's
• 13:14
  just
• 13:14
  like
• 13:15
  they
• 13:15
  didn't
• 13:15
  make
• 13:15
  it
• 13:16
  too
• 13:16
  overwhelming.
• 13:17
  But,
• 13:17
  but
• 13:17
  just
• 13:17
  imagine
• 13:18
  like
• 13:18
  your
• 13:18
  favorite
• 13:19
  dry
• 13:19
  fly.
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  don't
• 13:19
  know
• 13:19
  if
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  Adams
• 13:20
  Parachute
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  you
• 13:21
  still
• 13:21
  have
• 13:22
  that,
• 13:22
  that,
• 13:22
  that
• 13:22
  traditional
• 13:23
  gray,
• 13:23
  but
• 13:24
  there's
• 13:24
  just
• 13:24
  a
• 13:24
  little
• 13:25
  bit
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  sparkle
• 13:25
  in
• 13:26
  there
• 13:26
  just
• 13:26
  to
• 13:26
  kind
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  grab
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  fish's
• 13:27
  attention.
• 13:28
  I,
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  don't
• 13:29
  know.
• 13:29
  I'm
• 13:29
  not
• 13:29
  saying
• 13:29
  dry
• 13:30
  flies
• 13:30
  need
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  have
• 13:30
  that
• 13:31
  sparkle,
• 13:31
  even
• 13:31
  though
• 13:31
  most
• 13:32
  of
• 13:32
  them
• 13:32
  do
• 13:32
  have
• 13:32
  that,
• 13:33
  that
• 13:33
  shell
• 13:33
  look
• 13:34
  whenever
• 13:34
  they're
• 13:34
  adults.
• 13:35
  But
• 13:35
  there's
• 13:35
  something
• 13:36
  about
• 13:36
  that
• 13:36
  material.
• 13:36
  Whenever
• 13:37
  I'm
• 13:37
  dubbing
• 13:37
  with
• 13:37
  it,
• 13:38
  it
• 13:38
  looks
• 13:38
  awesome.
• 13:39
  And
• 13:39
  then
• 13:39
  whenever
• 13:40
  I
• 13:40
  go
• 13:40
  to
• 13:40
  fish
• 13:40
  with
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  flies,
• 13:41
  I
• 13:41
  don't
• 13:41
  know,
• 13:42
  maybe
• 13:42
  this
• 13:42
  is
• 13:42
  just
• 13:43
  me,
• 13:43
  but
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  just
• 13:43
  have
• 13:44
  more
• 13:44
  confidence
• 13:44
  whenever
• 13:44
  I'm
• 13:45
  grabbing
• 13:45
  those
• 13:45
  flies.
• 13:46
  It
• 13:46
  just,
• 13:46
  they
• 13:46
  look
• 13:47
  better.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:47
  whenever
• 13:47
  you
• 13:48
  look
• 13:48
  at
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  fly
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  you
• 13:49
  say
• 13:49
  this
• 13:49
  is
• 13:49
  going
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  catch
• 13:50
  fish,
• 13:50
  you
• 13:50
  fish
• 13:51
  it
• 13:51
  with
• 13:51
  confidence.
• 13:52
  So
• 13:52
  for
• 13:53
  all
• 13:53
  you
• 13:53
  fly
• 13:53
  tires
• 13:54
  out
• 13:54
  there,
• 13:54
  Kapok
• 13:54
  Fusion,
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  UV
• 13:55
  K
• 13:56
  Pok
• 13:56
  Fusion.
• 13:56
  Check
• 13:56
  it
• 13:57
  out.
• 13:57
  Yeah,
• 13:57
  I'll
• 13:57
  try
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  grab
• 13:58
  some
• 13:59
  links
• 13:59
  and
• 13:59
  drop
• 13:59
  them
• 13:59
  in
• 13:59
  the
• 14:00
  show
• 14:00
  notes.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:01
  you
• 14:01
  know,
• 14:01
  again,
• 14:02
  you're
• 14:02
  also
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  gearhead.
• 14:03
  Right.
• 14:03
  So
• 14:04
  aren't
• 14:05
  we
• 14:05
  all?
• 14:05
  Yeah.
• 14:06
  Well,
• 14:07
  the,
• 14:08
  so,
• 14:08
  you
• 14:08
  know,
• 14:08
  I'm
• 14:09
  kind
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  curious
• 14:09
  if
• 14:09
  you've
• 14:09
  got
• 14:10
  kind
• 14:10
  of
• 14:10
  a,
• 14:10
  a
• 14:11
  doodad,
• 14:11
  a
• 14:11
  rod
• 14:12
  line,
• 14:12
  tippet,
• 14:13
  anything
• 14:13
  kind
• 14:13
  of
• 14:14
  like
• 14:14
  that
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  want
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  share
• 14:14
  with
• 14:14
  folks
• 14:15
  because
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  know
• 14:15
  you're
• 14:15
  always
• 14:15
  playing
• 14:16
  around
• 14:16
  with
• 14:16
  that
• 14:16
  too.
• 14:16
  Oh,
• 14:17
  gosh.
• 14:18
  I'll
• 14:18
  share
• 14:19
  two
• 14:19
  things.
• 14:20
  And
• 14:20
  for
• 14:20
  your
• 14:21
  listeners,
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  got
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  give
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  quick
• 14:22
  shout
• 14:22
  out
• 14:22
  to
• 14:23
  Marvin
• 14:23
  because
• 14:24
  prior
• 14:24
  to
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  podcast
• 14:25
  he
• 14:25
  sends
• 14:25
  like
• 14:26
  a
• 14:26
  list
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  some
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  the
• 14:27
  topics
• 14:27
  we're
• 14:28
  going
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  discuss.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:29
  he
• 14:29
  told
• 14:29
  me
• 14:29
  about
• 14:29
  this
• 14:29
  question
• 14:30
  ahead
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  time.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:31
  Marvin,
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  do
• 14:31
  an
• 14:31
  awesome
• 14:32
  job
• 14:32
  with
• 14:32
  this.
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  mean,
• 14:33
  you
• 14:33
  are
• 14:33
  so
• 14:33
  prepared
• 14:34
  for
• 14:34
  this
• 14:34
  and
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  kind
• 14:35
  of
• 14:35
  made
• 14:35
  me
• 14:36
  think
• 14:36
  about
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  and
• 14:36
  I,
• 14:37
  there's
• 14:37
  kind
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  two
• 14:38
  paths
• 14:38
  that
• 14:38
  I'll
• 14:38
  go
• 14:38
  down
• 14:39
  for
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  rods
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  for
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  reels.
• 14:40
  I
• 14:41
  mean,
• 14:41
  I
• 14:42
  love
• 14:42
  Euro
• 14:42
  nymphing.
• 14:43
  I've
• 14:43
  used
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  lot
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  different
• 14:44
  rods
• 14:44
  over
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  years.
• 14:45
  The
• 14:46
  one
• 14:46
  rod
• 14:47
  that
• 14:47
  I'm
• 14:47
  playing
• 14:47
  around
• 14:47
  with
• 14:47
  now,
• 14:48
  I'm
• 14:48
  not
• 14:48
  gonna,
• 14:49
  this
• 14:49
  is
• 14:49
  not
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  glowing
• 14:50
  endorsement.
• 14:50
  I
• 14:50
  literally
• 14:51
  just
• 14:51
  got
• 14:51
  this
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  couple
• 14:52
  weeks
• 14:52
  ago.
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  work
• 14:53
  with
• 14:53
  a
• 14:53
  company
• 14:54
  called
• 14:54
  Lamson
• 14:54
  and
• 14:55
  Lamson
• 14:55
  tends
• 14:55
  to
• 14:56
  be
• 14:56
  known
• 14:56
  for
• 14:56
  their
• 14:56
  reels,
• 14:57
  but
• 14:57
  their
• 14:57
  fly
• 14:58
  rods
• 14:58
  just,
• 14:59
  they're
• 14:59
  really,
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  don't
• 15:00
  know,
• 15:00
  they're
• 15:00
  a
• 15:01
  kind
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  mid
• 15:01
  range
• 15:01
  fly
• 15:02
  rod.
• 15:02
  They're
• 15:03
  right
• 15:03
  in
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  500
• 15:04
  to
• 15:04
  600
• 15:04
  range.
• 15:05
  So
• 15:05
  you're
• 15:05
  not
• 15:06
  dropping
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  thousand
• 15:06
  dollars,
• 15:07
  but
• 15:07
  you're
• 15:07
  still
• 15:07
  getting
• 15:07
  a
• 15:08
  heck
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  a
• 15:08
  quality
• 15:08
  fly
• 15:09
  rod.
• 15:09
  I've
• 15:09
  used
• 15:09
  their
• 15:09
  rods
• 15:10
  for,
• 15:10
  for,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  know,
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  number
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  years.
• 15:12
  If,
• 15:12
  if
• 15:12
  you
• 15:12
  look
• 15:12
  at
• 15:12
  my
• 15:13
  social
• 15:13
  media,
• 15:13
  most
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  my
• 15:14
  big
• 15:14
  fish
• 15:14
  have
• 15:14
  all
• 15:14
  been
• 15:15
  landed
• 15:15
  on
• 15:15
  my
• 15:16
  lamps
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  velocity.
• 15:17
  Either
• 15:17
  my
• 15:17
  9
• 15:17
  foot
• 15:17
  6
• 15:18
  weight
• 15:18
  or
• 15:18
  my
• 15:18
  9
• 15:18
  foot
• 15:18
  8
• 15:19
  weight.
• 15:19
  But
• 15:19
  they
• 15:20
  just
• 15:20
  recently
• 15:20
  introduced
• 15:21
  some
• 15:21
  Euro
• 15:21
  nymphing
• 15:22
  sticks.
• 15:22
  So
• 15:22
  they,
• 15:23
  they
• 15:23
  sent
• 15:23
  me
• 15:23
  a,
• 15:23
  I
• 15:23
  think
• 15:24
  it
• 15:24
  was
• 15:24
  around
• 15:24
  a
• 15:24
  10
• 15:24
  foot
• 15:25
  something
• 15:25
  2
• 15:26
  weight
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  they
• 15:27
  have
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  new
• 15:27
  Euro
• 15:27
  nymphing
• 15:28
  reel.
• 15:29
  They're
• 15:29
  just
• 15:30
  cool.
• 15:30
  I
• 15:30
  don't
• 15:30
  know,
• 15:30
  there's
• 15:30
  just,
• 15:31
  it's
• 15:31
  Lamson.
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  just,
• 15:32
  I've
• 15:32
  always
• 15:33
  loved
• 15:33
  their
• 15:33
  flywheels
• 15:34
  and
• 15:34
  now
• 15:34
  to
• 15:34
  know
• 15:35
  they're
• 15:35
  kind
• 15:35
  of
• 15:35
  entering
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  Euro
• 15:36
  nymphing
• 15:36
  market,
• 15:37
  I'm
• 15:38
  excited.
• 15:38
  I'll
• 15:38
  just
• 15:38
  say
• 15:38
  that
• 15:39
  I'm
• 15:39
  going
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  be
• 15:39
  excited.
• 15:40
  I'm
• 15:40
  kind
• 15:40
  of
• 15:41
  holding
• 15:41
  off
• 15:41
  any
• 15:41
  endorsement
• 15:42
  of
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  rod
• 15:42
  yet,
• 15:42
  but
• 15:43
  just
• 15:43
  something
• 15:43
  to
• 15:43
  kind
• 15:43
  of
• 15:44
  plant
• 15:44
  the
• 15:44
  seed
• 15:45
  down
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  path.
• 15:46
  And
• 15:46
  then
• 15:46
  the,
• 15:46
  the
• 15:47
  other
• 15:47
  thing
• 15:47
  that
• 15:47
  I,
• 15:48
  I,
• 15:48
  I,
• 15:49
  I,
• 15:49
  I'm
• 15:49
  constantly
• 15:50
  just
• 15:50
  messing
• 15:50
  around
• 15:50
  with
• 15:50
  my,
• 15:51
  what
• 15:51
  I
• 15:51
  call
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  ideal
• 15:52
  fishing
• 15:53
  vest.
• 15:53
  I
• 15:53
  don't
• 15:54
  think
• 15:54
  it,
• 15:54
  it
• 15:54
  exists.
• 15:55
  If
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  have
• 15:55
  it,
• 15:55
  please
• 15:56
  Tell
• 15:56
  me.
• 15:56
  Because,
• 15:57
  I
• 15:57
  mean,
• 15:57
  years
• 15:57
  ago,
• 15:58
  my
• 15:58
  first
• 15:58
  one
• 15:58
  was
• 15:59
  like
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  Filson.
• 15:59
  I
• 15:59
  had
• 16:00
  like
• 16:00
  a
• 16:00
  Filson
• 16:00
  chest
• 16:01
  pack.
• 16:01
  And
• 16:01
  then
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  went
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  the
• 16:02
  Filson
• 16:02
  that
• 16:02
  had
• 16:03
  two
• 16:03
  sides.
• 16:03
  And
• 16:04
  then
• 16:04
  I,
• 16:04
  you
• 16:04
  know,
• 16:04
  just
• 16:05
  started
• 16:05
  experimenting.
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  went
• 16:06
  with
• 16:06
  sling
• 16:06
  packs.
• 16:07
  I've
• 16:07
  worn
• 16:07
  backpacks.
• 16:08
  I've
• 16:09
  used
• 16:09
  every
• 16:09
  single
• 16:10
  pack
• 16:10
  that
• 16:10
  I
• 16:10
  can
• 16:10
  think
• 16:11
  of.
• 16:11
  I'm
• 16:11
  the
• 16:12
  person
• 16:12
  that
• 16:12
  whenever
• 16:12
  I
• 16:12
  walk
• 16:12
  into
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  fly
• 16:13
  shop,
• 16:13
  after
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  talk
• 16:14
  to
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  employees
• 16:15
  for
• 16:15
  a
• 16:15
  little
• 16:15
  bit,
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  kind
• 16:16
  of
• 16:16
  wander
• 16:17
  off
• 16:17
  and
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  just
• 16:17
  start
• 16:18
  trying
• 16:18
  on
• 16:18
  any
• 16:19
  pack
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  haven't
• 16:19
  before
• 16:20
  to
• 16:20
  see
• 16:20
  if
• 16:20
  it's
• 16:20
  a
• 16:21
  comfortable
• 16:21
  one.
• 16:22
  This
• 16:22
  past
• 16:22
  season,
• 16:23
  in
• 16:23
  2024,
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  current
• 16:25
  setup
• 16:25
  that
• 16:25
  I
• 16:26
  had,
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  was.
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  was
• 16:27
  keeping
• 16:27
  a
• 16:27
  waterproof
• 16:28
  backpack
• 16:28
  on,
• 16:29
  and
• 16:29
  it
• 16:29
  would,
• 16:29
  like,
• 16:30
  hold,
• 16:30
  you
• 16:30
  know,
• 16:30
  my
• 16:31
  larger
• 16:31
  boxes,
• 16:32
  maybe
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  camera,
• 16:33
  just
• 16:33
  whatever
• 16:33
  my
• 16:34
  necessary
• 16:34
  gear
• 16:34
  was.
• 16:35
  But
• 16:35
  it
• 16:35
  wasn't
• 16:35
  that
• 16:35
  Orvis
• 16:36
  Pro
• 16:36
  backpack.
• 16:36
  It
• 16:36
  was
• 16:36
  like
• 16:37
  a
• 16:37
  smaller
• 16:37
  one.
• 16:37
  I
• 16:37
  literally
• 16:38
  found
• 16:38
  this
• 16:38
  backpack
• 16:39
  on
• 16:39
  Amazon.
• 16:39
  It
• 16:39
  just.
• 16:40
  It
• 16:40
  was
• 16:40
  nice.
• 16:40
  It
• 16:41
  was
• 16:41
  waterproof.
• 16:41
  Everything
• 16:42
  was
• 16:42
  great
• 16:42
  with
• 16:42
  it.
• 16:43
  But
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  still
• 16:43
  wanted
• 16:44
  a
• 16:44
  chest
• 16:44
  pack.
• 16:44
  But
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  don't
• 16:45
  like
• 16:45
  a
• 16:45
  chest
• 16:46
  pack
• 16:46
  that's
• 16:46
  too
• 16:46
  cumbersome.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  found
• 16:47
  this
• 16:48
  one
• 16:48
  from
• 16:48
  Umpqua.
• 16:49
  It
• 16:49
  was
• 16:49
  called
• 16:49
  the
• 16:49
  ZS2
• 16:51
  waiter
• 16:51
  chest
• 16:52
  pack.
• 16:52
  And
• 16:53
  what's
• 16:53
  nice
• 16:53
  about
• 16:53
  it,
• 16:54
  it's.
• 16:54
  It's
• 16:54
  smaller.
• 16:55
  It's.
• 16:55
  It's
• 16:55
  got
• 16:56
  just
• 16:56
  enough
• 16:56
  room
• 16:56
  for
• 16:56
  some
• 16:57
  tippet,
• 16:57
  a
• 16:58
  small
• 16:58
  fly
• 16:58
  box,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 16:59
  split
• 17:00
  shots,
• 17:00
  some
• 17:00
  indicators,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know,
• 17:01
  some
• 17:01
  floating.
• 17:02
  Just
• 17:02
  like,
• 17:02
  just
• 17:03
  a
• 17:03
  little
• 17:03
  bit
• 17:03
  of
• 17:04
  everything.
• 17:04
  You
• 17:04
  need
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  survive
• 17:05
  for
• 17:05
  a
• 17:05
  little
• 17:05
  bit
• 17:06
  on
• 17:06
  the
• 17:06
  water.
• 17:06
  But
• 17:07
  it
• 17:07
  has
• 17:07
  these
• 17:08
  clips,
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  they
• 17:08
  go
• 17:08
  around.
• 17:09
  Around
• 17:09
  your.
• 17:10
  Your
• 17:10
  chest
• 17:11
  straps
• 17:11
  for
• 17:11
  your
• 17:11
  waiters.
• 17:12
  So
• 17:13
  it's
• 17:13
  super
• 17:13
  lightweight.
• 17:14
  You
• 17:14
  know,
• 17:14
  your
• 17:14
  fly
• 17:15
  line
• 17:15
  doesn't
• 17:15
  grab
• 17:15
  onto
• 17:16
  it.
• 17:17
  It's
• 17:17
  been
• 17:17
  a
• 17:17
  cool
• 17:17
  pack.
• 17:18
  The
• 17:18
  downside
• 17:18
  is
• 17:19
  if
• 17:19
  you're
• 17:19
  going,
• 17:19
  if
• 17:19
  you're
• 17:19
  wet,
• 17:20
  waiting
• 17:20
  that
• 17:20
  day,
• 17:21
  you
• 17:21
  know,
• 17:21
  you
• 17:21
  got
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  figure
• 17:22
  out
• 17:22
  something
• 17:22
  else
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  attach
• 17:23
  it
• 17:23
  to.
• 17:23
  So
• 17:23
  that's
• 17:23
  the
• 17:24
  one
• 17:24
  downside
• 17:25
  that
• 17:25
  I've
• 17:25
  had.
• 17:26
  I
• 17:26
  think
• 17:26
  it
• 17:26
  goes
• 17:27
  with
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  whole
• 17:27
  Umpqua
• 17:28
  system.
• 17:28
  I
• 17:29
  didn't
• 17:29
  invest
• 17:29
  in
• 17:29
  the
• 17:30
  whole
• 17:30
  system.
• 17:30
  This
• 17:30
  is
• 17:30
  just
• 17:30
  the
• 17:31
  only
• 17:31
  piece
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  bought.
• 17:31
  But,
• 17:32
  you
• 17:32
  know,
• 17:32
  for
• 17:33
  people
• 17:33
  who
• 17:33
  wear
• 17:33
  waiters
• 17:34
  all
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  time,
• 17:34
  and
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  don't
• 17:34
  want
• 17:35
  a
• 17:35
  giant
• 17:35
  pack
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  front.
• 17:36
  Check
• 17:37
  this
• 17:37
  one
• 17:37
  out.
• 17:38
  Yeah,
• 17:38
  it's
• 17:38
  amazing.
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  have.
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  kind
• 17:40
  of
• 17:41
  have
• 17:41
  a
• 17:41
  love
• 17:41
  hate
• 17:42
  relationship
• 17:42
  with
• 17:42
  pack
• 17:43
  slash
• 17:43
  slings,
• 17:44
  slash
• 17:44
  chest
• 17:44
  boxes.
• 17:46
  And
• 17:46
  I'm
• 17:46
  always
• 17:47
  fiddling,
• 17:47
  right.
• 17:48
  And
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  always
• 17:49
  tell
• 17:49
  people,
• 17:50
  they're
• 17:50
  like
• 17:50
  these
• 17:50
  small
• 17:51
  victories
• 17:51
  on
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  water.
• 17:52
  Right.
• 17:52
  Like,
• 17:52
  if
• 17:53
  you
• 17:53
  have
• 17:53
  a
• 17:53
  box
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  you,
• 17:54
  like,
• 17:54
  get
• 17:54
  it
• 17:54
  configured
• 17:55
  exactly
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  way
• 17:55
  you
• 17:55
  want
• 17:55
  it.
• 17:57
  Yes.
• 17:58
  You
• 17:58
  know,
• 17:59
  or
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  Have,
• 18:00
  like,
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  have
• 18:00
  a
• 18:00
  sling
• 18:00
  pack
• 18:01
  and
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  have
• 18:01
  a.
• 18:02
  Actually
• 18:02
  a
• 18:02
  fly
• 18:02
  trap
• 18:02
  holder
• 18:03
  on
• 18:03
  a
• 18:04
  zinger
• 18:04
  that
• 18:04
  holds
• 18:04
  all
• 18:04
  of
• 18:05
  my
• 18:05
  tippet
• 18:05
  on
• 18:05
  behind
• 18:06
  so
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  can
• 18:06
  reach
• 18:06
  behind
• 18:06
  me
• 18:07
  and
• 18:07
  pull
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  spool.
• 18:07
  Because
• 18:07
  I
• 18:08
  hate
• 18:08
  having
• 18:08
  stuff
• 18:08
  on
• 18:08
  my
• 18:09
  chest.
• 18:09
  Me
• 18:09
  too.
• 18:10
  Yeah.
• 18:10
  Because
• 18:10
  it
• 18:10
  always
• 18:11
  gets
• 18:11
  hung
• 18:11
  up.
• 18:11
  It's
• 18:11
  always
• 18:12
  a
• 18:12
  mess.
• 18:12
  And
• 18:12
  then,
• 18:12
  of
• 18:13
  course,
• 18:13
  when
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  get
• 18:13
  older,
• 18:13
  you
• 18:14
  need
• 18:14
  readers.
• 18:14
  And
• 18:14
  then
• 18:14
  that's
• 18:14
  a
• 18:15
  completely
• 18:15
  different
• 18:15
  problem
• 18:16
  where
• 18:16
  you're
• 18:16
  trying
• 18:17
  to
• 18:17
  push
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  chest
• 18:17
  pack
• 18:17
  down
• 18:18
  your
• 18:18
  waist
• 18:18
  so
• 18:18
  you
• 18:18
  can
• 18:18
  see
• 18:19
  what
• 18:19
  tippet
• 18:19
  you
• 18:19
  want
• 18:19
  to
• 18:19
  pull
• 18:20
  off.
• 18:20
  But,
• 18:20
  yeah,
• 18:20
  well,
• 18:21
  hey,
• 18:21
  listen,
• 18:21
  if
• 18:21
  any
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  your
• 18:22
  listeners
• 18:22
  or
• 18:22
  if
• 18:22
  you
• 18:22
  have.
• 18:23
  I'm
• 18:23
  looking
• 18:23
  for
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  very
• 18:24
  good,
• 18:25
  you
• 18:25
  know,
• 18:25
  something
• 18:26
  whenever
• 18:26
  you're
• 18:26
  done
• 18:26
  fishing
• 18:26
  a
• 18:27
  fly
• 18:27
  and
• 18:27
  something
• 18:28
  where
• 18:28
  you
• 18:28
  can
• 18:28
  put
• 18:28
  it
• 18:28
  inside
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  it
• 18:29
  dries
• 18:29
  it
• 18:29
  off,
• 18:30
  but
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  flies
• 18:31
  won't
• 18:31
  fall
• 18:32
  into
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  water.
• 18:32
  You
• 18:32
  know,
• 18:32
  sometimes.
• 18:33
  Sometimes
• 18:33
  I
• 18:34
  have
• 18:34
  like
• 18:34
  those
• 18:34
  little
• 18:34
  Velcro
• 18:35
  patches
• 18:35
  or
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  foam
• 18:36
  ones.
• 18:37
  There
• 18:37
  was
• 18:37
  one
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  I
• 18:38
  got
• 18:38
  from
• 18:38
  Hanic
• 18:39
  competition.
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  think
• 18:39
  you.
• 18:40
  I
• 18:40
  don't
• 18:40
  know
• 18:40
  if
• 18:40
  you
• 18:40
  can
• 18:40
  see
• 18:40
  it
• 18:40
  right
• 18:40
  now.
• 18:41
  It's
• 18:41
  like
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  leather
• 18:42
  one.
• 18:42
  It's
• 18:42
  got
• 18:42
  Velcro
• 18:42
  on
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  back.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:43
  when
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  open
• 18:44
  it
• 18:44
  up,
• 18:45
  you
• 18:45
  can
• 18:45
  see
• 18:45
  my
• 18:45
  squirmy
• 18:46
  wormies
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  some
• 18:46
  other
• 18:46
  stuff.
• 18:47
  But
• 18:47
  it's
• 18:47
  got
• 18:47
  these
• 18:47
  little.
• 18:48
  So
• 18:48
  it's
• 18:48
  nice
• 18:48
  because
• 18:49
  it
• 18:49
  protects
• 18:49
  them.
• 18:50
  This
• 18:50
  one's
• 18:51
  nice,
• 18:51
  but
• 18:51
  I've
• 18:51
  realized
• 18:51
  I
• 18:51
  don't
• 18:52
  think
• 18:52
  they
• 18:52
  make
• 18:52
  this
• 18:52
  one
• 18:52
  anymore.
• 18:53
  So
• 18:53
  I'm
• 18:53
  afraid
• 18:53
  whenever
• 18:54
  this
• 18:54
  one's
• 18:54
  done,
• 18:55
  it's
• 18:55
  done.
• 18:56
  I
• 18:56
  mean,
• 18:57
  do
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  have
• 18:57
  one
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  use
• 18:58
  to
• 18:58
  keep
• 18:58
  your
• 18:58
  flies
• 18:58
  dry?
• 18:59
  You
• 19:00
  know,
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  one
• 19:00
  that
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  use
• 19:01
  is
• 19:01
  the
• 19:02
  fly
• 19:02
  trap
• 19:02
  holder.
• 19:03
  And
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  can
• 19:03
  actually
• 19:03
  hook
• 19:04
  it
• 19:04
  between
• 19:04
  your
• 19:05
  suspenders
• 19:05
  on
• 19:06
  your
• 19:06
  waders.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:07
  it
• 19:07
  holds
• 19:07
  tippet,
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  it's
• 19:08
  got
• 19:08
  those
• 19:08
  silicone
• 19:09
  rings.
• 19:10
  And
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  can.
• 19:11
  You
• 19:11
  can
• 19:11
  put
• 19:11
  the
• 19:12
  hook.
• 19:12
  Put
• 19:12
  your
• 19:12
  hooks
• 19:12
  in,
• 19:13
  and
• 19:13
  it
• 19:13
  keeps
• 19:13
  flies
• 19:13
  really
• 19:14
  well.
• 19:14
  The
• 19:14
  other
• 19:14
  thing
• 19:14
  it
• 19:14
  does
• 19:15
  is
• 19:15
  you
• 19:15
  can
• 19:15
  spool
• 19:15
  them
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  you
• 19:16
  can
• 19:16
  actually
• 19:16
  pre
• 19:17
  wind
• 19:17
  droppers.
• 19:18
  Oh,
• 19:18
  wow.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  keep
• 19:19
  it
• 19:19
  on
• 19:19
  there.
• 19:20
  We
• 19:20
  can
• 19:20
  go
• 19:20
  down.
• 19:20
  We'll
• 19:20
  go
• 19:20
  in
• 19:21
  that
• 19:21
  rat
• 19:21
  hole
• 19:21
  offline
• 19:22
  in.
• 19:22
  In
• 19:23
  Denver
• 19:23
  when
• 19:24
  we
• 19:24
  see
• 19:24
  each
• 19:24
  other
• 19:24
  in
• 19:24
  person.
• 19:25
  Flytrap.
• 19:26
  All
• 19:26
  right,
• 19:26
  I'm
• 19:26
  gonna
• 19:27
  check
• 19:27
  this
• 19:27
  out.
• 19:27
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  There
• 19:28
  you
• 19:28
  can
• 19:28
  actually
• 19:28
  get
• 19:28
  them
• 19:28
  on
• 19:29
  Amazon.
• 19:30
  Okay.
• 19:30
  And
• 19:30
  there's
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  great.
• 19:31
  They
• 19:31
  have
• 19:32
  a
• 19:32
  great
• 19:32
  magnifier,
• 19:32
  too
• 19:33
  that
• 19:33
  will
• 19:33
  clip
• 19:33
  onto,
• 19:34
  like
• 19:34
  a
• 19:34
  strap
• 19:34
  of
• 19:34
  your
• 19:35
  waiters.
• 19:35
  And
• 19:35
  it
• 19:36
  has
• 19:36
  a
• 19:36
  magnet,
• 19:36
  so
• 19:36
  it'll
• 19:36
  catch
• 19:37
  flies.
• 19:37
  So
• 19:37
  two
• 19:38
  things
• 19:38
  like
• 19:38
  that.
• 19:38
  Yeah.
• 19:40
  So
• 19:40
  it's
• 19:40
  kind
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  funny,
• 19:41
  right?
• 19:41
  So
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  interview
• 19:42
  authors,
• 19:42
  and
• 19:43
  they're
• 19:43
  kind
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  two
• 19:44
  classes
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  people,
• 19:45
  some
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  are
• 19:45
  so
• 19:45
  deeply
• 19:46
  traumatized
• 19:46
  by
• 19:46
  the
• 19:47
  experience
• 19:47
  that
• 19:47
  they'll
• 19:48
  never
• 19:48
  do
• 19:48
  it
• 19:48
  again.
• 19:50
  And
• 19:51
  Jay
• 19:52
  got
• 19:52
  all
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  blood
• 19:53
  out
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  stone
• 19:53
  on
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  first
• 19:54
  shot
• 19:54
  and
• 19:55
  they're
• 19:55
  done.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:57
  we
• 19:57
  were
• 19:57
  talking.
• 19:58
  So
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  were
• 19:58
  on
• 19:58
  in
• 19:59
  2021.
• 19:59
  That
• 20:00
  was
• 20:00
  when
• 20:00
  Fly
• 20:00
  Tying
• 20:00
  for
• 20:01
  Everyone
• 20:01
  came
• 20:01
  out.
• 20:02
  But
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  weren't
• 20:03
  scared
• 20:04
  away.
• 20:04
  So
• 20:04
  you've
• 20:05
  got
• 20:05
  a
• 20:05
  new
• 20:05
  book
• 20:05
  that's
• 20:06
  coming
• 20:07
  out.
• 20:07
  Well,
• 20:07
  I
• 20:08
  guess
• 20:08
  it's
• 20:08
  for
• 20:09
  people
• 20:09
  on
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  inside.
• 20:09
  They've
• 20:10
  got
• 20:10
  copies
• 20:10
  for
• 20:10
  people
• 20:11
  on
• 20:11
  the
• 20:11
  outside.
• 20:11
  You
• 20:11
  got
• 20:11
  to
• 20:11
  wait
• 20:12
  another
• 20:12
  week
• 20:12
  or
• 20:12
  so.
• 20:12
  But
• 20:14
  tying
• 20:14
  Euro
• 20:14
  Nymphs
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  other
• 20:16
  competition
• 20:16
  favorites.
• 20:17
  And
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  was
• 20:17
  kind
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  curious.
• 20:17
  I
• 20:18
  always
• 20:18
  like
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  hear
• 20:18
  the
• 20:19
  kind
• 20:19
  of
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  Creation
• 20:20
  or
• 20:20
  Genesis
• 20:20
  story
• 20:21
  for
• 20:21
  the
• 20:21
  project.
• 20:22
  Yeah,
• 20:23
  sure.
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  mean,
• 20:23
  you're
• 20:24
  right.
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  mean,
• 20:24
  my
• 20:24
  first
• 20:24
  book,
• 20:25
  Fly
• 20:25
  Tying
• 20:25
  for
• 20:25
  Everyone,
• 20:25
  it
• 20:26
  was
• 20:26
  released
• 20:26
  late
• 20:27
  2020,
• 20:27
  early
• 20:27
  2021.
• 20:29
  Um,
• 20:29
  I
• 20:30
  had
• 20:30
  never
• 20:30
  written
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  book
• 20:31
  before
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  wasn't
• 20:31
  part
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  like
• 20:32
  my
• 20:32
  master
• 20:33
  plan,
• 20:33
  you
• 20:33
  know,
• 20:34
  for
• 20:34
  everyone
• 20:34
  listening.
• 20:35
  My
• 20:35
  day
• 20:35
  job
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  a
• 20:36
  teacher.
• 20:36
  I'm
• 20:36
  an
• 20:36
  elementary
• 20:37
  school
• 20:37
  teacher.
• 20:37
  I
• 20:37
  teach
• 20:38
  sixth
• 20:38
  grade,
• 20:38
  12
• 20:38
  year
• 20:39
  olds.
• 20:39
  So,
• 20:40
  you
• 20:40
  know,
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  most
• 20:41
  writing
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  do
• 20:41
  is
• 20:41
  like
• 20:42
  sending
• 20:42
  parent
• 20:42
  emails
• 20:43
  back
• 20:43
  and
• 20:43
  forth,
• 20:43
  you
• 20:44
  know,
• 20:44
  maybe
• 20:44
  helping
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  write
• 20:45
  curriculum
• 20:45
  and,
• 20:46
  and
• 20:46
  assignments
• 20:46
  for
• 20:46
  students.
• 20:47
  So
• 20:47
  writing
• 20:48
  is
• 20:48
  something
• 20:48
  I
• 20:49
  loved.
• 20:49
  But
• 20:49
  you
• 20:49
  know,
• 20:50
  in
• 20:50
  my
• 20:50
  head
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  was
• 20:50
  kind
• 20:50
  of
• 20:51
  always
• 20:51
  thinking,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  know,
• 20:52
  I
• 20:52
  would
• 20:52
  retire
• 20:52
  from
• 20:53
  teaching,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  know,
• 20:53
  down
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  road
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  maybe
• 20:54
  write
• 20:55
  this
• 20:55
  fictional
• 20:55
  story
• 20:56
  collection
• 20:56
  of
• 20:57
  stories.
• 20:57
  Kind
• 20:57
  of
• 20:58
  like
• 20:58
  John
• 20:58
  Garrick.
• 20:58
  That
• 20:59
  was
• 20:59
  kind
• 20:59
  of
• 20:59
  like
• 21:00
  where
• 21:00
  I
• 21:00
  placed
• 21:01
  myself.
• 21:01
  Even
• 21:01
  though
• 21:02
  there
• 21:02
  was
• 21:02
  no
• 21:02
  plan,
• 21:02
  there
• 21:02
  was
• 21:02
  no
• 21:03
  goal,
• 21:03
  there
• 21:03
  was
• 21:03
  no,
• 21:04
  there
• 21:04
  was
• 21:04
  nothing.
• 21:05
  So
• 21:05
  whenever
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  ran
• 21:06
  into
• 21:06
  Jay
• 21:06
  Nichols,
• 21:07
  long
• 21:07
  story
• 21:08
  short,
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  know,
• 21:08
  we
• 21:09
  had
• 21:09
  spent
• 21:09
  some
• 21:09
  time
• 21:09
  together
• 21:10
  at
• 21:10
  some
• 21:10
  various
• 21:10
  shows.
• 21:11
  We
• 21:11
  knew
• 21:11
  each
• 21:11
  other.
• 21:11
  He
• 21:12
  had
• 21:12
  asked
• 21:12
  me
• 21:12
  to
• 21:12
  write
• 21:12
  the
• 21:13
  book.
• 21:13
  I
• 21:14
  didn't
• 21:14
  believe
• 21:14
  he
• 21:14
  was
• 21:14
  really
• 21:15
  asking
• 21:15
  me
• 21:15
  when
• 21:16
  he
• 21:16
  had
• 21:16
  sent
• 21:16
  me
• 21:16
  a
• 21:16
  message
• 21:17
  on
• 21:17
  Facebook
• 21:17
  and
• 21:18
  I
• 21:18
  thought
• 21:18
  he
• 21:18
  meant
• 21:18
  to
• 21:19
  send
• 21:19
  somebody
• 21:19
  else
• 21:20
  because
• 21:20
  he
• 21:20
  was
• 21:20
  like,
• 21:20
  hey,
• 21:20
  do
• 21:20
  you
• 21:20
  know
• 21:21
  anyone
• 21:21
  who
• 21:21
  could
• 21:21
  write
• 21:21
  a
• 21:21
  fly
• 21:22
  time
• 21:22
  book?
• 21:22
  And
• 21:22
  I'm
• 21:22
  like,
• 21:23
  he's
• 21:23
  not
• 21:23
  talking
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  me.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  better
• 21:24
  just
• 21:25
  let
• 21:25
  this
• 21:25
  message
• 21:25
  hang
• 21:26
  so
• 21:26
  he
• 21:26
  can
• 21:26
  delete
• 21:27
  it.
• 21:27
  He
• 21:28
  didn't.
• 21:28
  And
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  wrote
• 21:29
  that
• 21:29
  first
• 21:29
  book,
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  know,
• 21:30
  knowing
• 21:31
  so
• 21:31
  little.
• 21:31
  It
• 21:31
  was
• 21:31
  just,
• 21:32
  it
• 21:32
  was
• 21:32
  definitely
• 21:33
  an
• 21:33
  overwhelming
• 21:34
  process
• 21:35
  with
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  photography
• 21:36
  especially
• 21:36
  because
• 21:37
  whenever
• 21:37
  you're
• 21:37
  taking
• 21:38
  pictures
• 21:38
  of
• 21:38
  flies,
• 21:38
  you
• 21:39
  know
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  want
• 21:39
  to
• 21:39
  be
• 21:39
  perfect.
• 21:40
  There's
• 21:40
  no
• 21:40
  like
• 21:40
  Photoshop.
• 21:41
  You
• 21:41
  don't
• 21:41
  have
• 21:41
  a.
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  didn't
• 21:42
  have
• 21:42
  that
• 21:43
  luxury.
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  couldn't
• 21:43
  like
• 21:44
  just
• 21:44
  mess
• 21:44
  it
• 21:44
  up
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  don't
• 21:45
  worry,
• 21:45
  somebody
• 21:45
  will
• 21:45
  fix
• 21:45
  it.
• 21:46
  Post
• 21:46
  it
• 21:46
  was,
• 21:47
  you
• 21:47
  know,
• 21:47
  whenever
• 21:47
  you
• 21:48
  look
• 21:48
  at
• 21:48
  my
• 21:48
  first
• 21:48
  book,
• 21:49
  wherever
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  put
• 21:49
  that
• 21:50
  first
• 21:50
  hook
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  vise
• 21:51
  from
• 21:51
  that
• 21:51
  Point
• 21:51
  forward.
• 21:52
  Those
• 21:53
  are
• 21:53
  all
• 21:53
  shots
• 21:53
  in
• 21:54
  a
• 21:54
  row
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  that
• 21:54
  same
• 21:55
  fly.
• 21:55
  So
• 21:56
  some
• 21:56
  of
• 21:56
  them
• 21:56
  were
• 21:56
  shot,
• 21:57
  like
• 21:57
  they
• 21:57
  took,
• 21:57
  you
• 21:58
  know,
• 21:58
  hours
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  shoot
• 21:59
  from
• 21:59
  step
• 22:00
  one
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  step,
• 22:00
  even
• 22:01
  15,
• 22:01
  if
• 22:01
  that's
• 22:02
  all
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  number
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  steps
• 22:03
  there
• 22:03
  were.
• 22:03
  So
• 22:04
  that.
• 22:04
  That
• 22:04
  macro
• 22:04
  photography
• 22:05
  part
• 22:05
  was
• 22:05
  really.
• 22:06
  That
• 22:07
  pushed
• 22:07
  me
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  kind
• 22:07
  of
• 22:07
  a
• 22:08
  new.
• 22:08
  A
• 22:08
  new
• 22:09
  place,
• 22:09
  if
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  want
• 22:09
  to
• 22:09
  call
• 22:09
  it
• 22:10
  that.
• 22:11
  So
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  book
• 22:11
  was
• 22:11
  well
• 22:12
  received.
• 22:12
  I
• 22:13
  appreciate
• 22:13
  you
• 22:13
  having
• 22:13
  me
• 22:13
  on
• 22:14
  your
• 22:14
  podcast
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  talk
• 22:15
  about
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  first
• 22:16
  one.
• 22:16
  And,
• 22:17
  you
• 22:18
  know,
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  kind
• 22:18
  of
• 22:19
  in
• 22:19
  between
• 22:19
  that,
• 22:19
  that
• 22:20
  book
• 22:20
  being
• 22:20
  written
• 22:20
  and,
• 22:21
  you
• 22:21
  know,
• 22:21
  I
• 22:21
  guess
• 22:22
  meeting
• 22:22
  Jay
• 22:22
  years
• 22:22
  before
• 22:23
  that,
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  had
• 22:24
  really
• 22:24
  fallen
• 22:24
  down
• 22:25
  that
• 22:25
  rabbit
• 22:25
  hole
• 22:25
  called
• 22:25
  European
• 22:26
  Nymphing
• 22:26
  or
• 22:27
  Euro
• 22:27
  Nymphing,
• 22:27
  where,
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  know,
• 22:28
  you
• 22:29
  know,
• 22:29
  kind
• 22:29
  of,
• 22:29
  you
• 22:29
  know,
• 22:30
  it
• 22:30
  came
• 22:30
  out
• 22:30
  of
• 22:31
  Europe,
• 22:31
  and
• 22:31
  it
• 22:31
  really
• 22:32
  came
• 22:32
  out
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  lot
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  the
• 22:33
  fly
• 22:33
  fishing
• 22:33
  competitions,
• 22:34
  because
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  the
• 22:35
  United
• 22:35
  States,
• 22:35
  we
• 22:35
  just,
• 22:36
  you
• 22:36
  know,
• 22:36
  I'm
• 22:36
  not
• 22:36
  a
• 22:37
  competitive
• 22:38
  angler.
• 22:38
  Like,
• 22:38
  I'm
• 22:39
  competitive
• 22:39
  on
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  water,
• 22:40
  like,
• 22:40
  with
• 22:40
  my
• 22:40
  friends
• 22:40
  and
• 22:41
  with
• 22:41
  myself,
• 22:41
  but
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  don't
• 22:41
  fish
• 22:42
  in
• 22:42
  competitions.
• 22:43
  But
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  just,
• 22:43
  you
• 22:44
  know,
• 22:44
  I
• 22:44
  heard
• 22:44
  about
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  competitions,
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  I
• 22:45
  heard
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  United
• 22:46
  States
• 22:46
  really
• 22:46
  got
• 22:46
  our,
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  know,
• 22:47
  our
• 22:47
  butts
• 22:47
  kicked.
• 22:48
  It
• 22:48
  seemed
• 22:48
  like,
• 22:49
  on
• 22:49
  a
• 22:49
  regular
• 22:49
  basis
• 22:49
  from
• 22:50
  countries
• 22:50
  like
• 22:51
  Spain,
• 22:51
  France,
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  UK
• 22:53
  and,
• 22:54
  you
• 22:54
  know,
• 22:54
  I
• 22:54
  didn't
• 22:54
  know
• 22:55
  why.
• 22:55
  Just,
• 22:55
  are
• 22:55
  they
• 22:55
  better
• 22:56
  anglers?
• 22:56
  Do
• 22:56
  they
• 22:56
  have
• 22:57
  tougher
• 22:57
  fishing?
• 22:57
  I
• 22:57
  had
• 22:58
  no
• 22:58
  idea.
• 22:58
  But
• 22:58
  it
• 22:59
  kind
• 22:59
  of.
• 22:59
  It
• 23:00
  came
• 23:00
  out
• 23:00
  of
• 23:00
  this.
• 23:00
  This
• 23:00
  notion
• 23:01
  that
• 23:01
  they
• 23:01
  were
• 23:01
  doing
• 23:01
  things
• 23:02
  a
• 23:02
  little
• 23:02
  bit
• 23:02
  different
• 23:02
  than
• 23:03
  what
• 23:03
  we
• 23:03
  were
• 23:03
  doing
• 23:03
  in
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  United
• 23:04
  States.
• 23:04
  And
• 23:04
  the
• 23:05
  information
• 23:05
  eventually
• 23:06
  kind
• 23:06
  of
• 23:06
  trickled
• 23:06
  out
• 23:07
  to
• 23:08
  us.
• 23:08
  It
• 23:08
  came
• 23:08
  from,
• 23:08
  like,
• 23:09
  people
• 23:09
  like
• 23:09
  George
• 23:09
  Daniel,
• 23:10
  Devin
• 23:11
  Olson,
• 23:11
  they,
• 23:11
  you
• 23:11
  know,
• 23:11
  they
• 23:12
  were
• 23:12
  learning
• 23:12
  about
• 23:12
  these
• 23:12
  techniques
• 23:13
  in
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  competitions
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  then
• 23:14
  sharing
• 23:15
  them
• 23:15
  on
• 23:15
  their
• 23:15
  YouTube
• 23:15
  channels,
• 23:16
  on
• 23:16
  blogs,
• 23:16
  on
• 23:16
  podcasts.
• 23:17
  They
• 23:17
  were
• 23:17
  writing
• 23:18
  about
• 23:18
  it.
• 23:19
  And
• 23:19
  the
• 23:20
  rest
• 23:20
  of
• 23:20
  us
• 23:20
  just
• 23:20
  kind
• 23:20
  of.
• 23:21
  We
• 23:21
  just
• 23:21
  started
• 23:21
  lapping
• 23:22
  this
• 23:22
  information
• 23:22
  up
• 23:22
  because
• 23:23
  we
• 23:23
  realized
• 23:24
  you're
• 23:24
  catching
• 23:25
  way
• 23:25
  more
• 23:25
  fish
• 23:26
  using
• 23:26
  this
• 23:26
  technique.
• 23:27
  And
• 23:27
  even
• 23:27
  though
• 23:27
  it's
• 23:27
  called
• 23:28
  Euro
• 23:28
  nymphing,
• 23:29
  you
• 23:29
  know,
• 23:29
  there's.
• 23:29
  There's
• 23:30
  many
• 23:30
  ways
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  fish
• 23:31
  dry
• 23:31
  flies
• 23:31
  as
• 23:31
  well,
• 23:32
  and
• 23:32
  streamers.
• 23:33
  And,
• 23:33
  you
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  it.
• 23:34
  It
• 23:34
  was
• 23:34
  just
• 23:34
  a
• 23:34
  really
• 23:35
  interesting
• 23:35
  way
• 23:36
  to
• 23:36
  fish
• 23:37
  again,
• 23:37
  another
• 23:37
  learning
• 23:38
  curve,
• 23:38
  as
• 23:39
  is
• 23:39
  all
• 23:39
  things
• 23:40
  in
• 23:40
  fly
• 23:40
  fishing.
• 23:41
  But
• 23:41
  it
• 23:41
  was
• 23:41
  one
• 23:41
  of
• 23:41
  those
• 23:41
  things
• 23:42
  where
• 23:42
  I.
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  looked
• 23:42
  at
• 23:42
  it
• 23:43
  as.
• 23:43
  This
• 23:43
  is
• 23:43
  like
• 23:43
  another
• 23:44
  arrow
• 23:44
  in
• 23:44
  my
• 23:44
  quiver.
• 23:45
  I
• 23:45
  mean,
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  first
• 23:46
  year
• 23:46
  I
• 23:46
  tried
• 23:46
  it,
• 23:46
  I
• 23:46
  remember
• 23:47
  coming
• 23:47
  home,
• 23:47
  Marvin.
• 23:48
  I
• 23:49
  got
• 23:49
  home
• 23:49
  from.
• 23:50
  From
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  day
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  water
• 23:51
  talking
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  my
• 23:51
  wife,
• 23:52
  and
• 23:52
  I'm
• 23:52
  telling
• 23:52
  her
• 23:52
  about
• 23:52
  my
• 23:52
  fishing,
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  she
• 23:53
  kind
• 23:54
  of
• 23:54
  looked
• 23:54
  at
• 23:54
  me
• 23:54
  and
• 23:54
  she
• 23:54
  was
• 23:54
  like,
• 23:55
  are
• 23:55
  you
• 23:56
  telling
• 23:56
  me
• 23:56
  a
• 23:56
  fishing
• 23:56
  story?
• 23:58
  Like,
• 23:58
  what
• 23:58
  are
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  talking
• 23:59
  about?
• 23:59
  She's
• 23:59
  like
• 23:59
  your
• 24:00
  number
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  fish
• 24:00
  you're
• 24:01
  catching
• 24:01
  this
• 24:01
  year
• 24:01
  compared
• 24:01
  to
• 24:02
  last
• 24:02
  year
• 24:02
  is
• 24:02
  like
• 24:02
  triple.
• 24:03
  And
• 24:03
  I'm
• 24:03
  like,
• 24:04
  heather,
• 24:04
  it's
• 24:04
  this
• 24:04
  thing.
• 24:05
  It's
• 24:05
  Euro
• 24:05
  nymphing.
• 24:06
  Now,
• 24:06
  we've
• 24:07
  been
• 24:07
  lucky
• 24:07
  because
• 24:07
  it
• 24:08
  seems
• 24:08
  like
• 24:08
  over
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  last
• 24:09
  few
• 24:09
  years,
• 24:09
  all
• 24:10
  the
• 24:10
  different
• 24:10
  European
• 24:11
  styles
• 24:11
  have
• 24:11
  been
• 24:12
  kind
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  converging
• 24:13
  down
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  one
• 24:13
  style
• 24:14
  where
• 24:14
  it
• 24:14
  seems
• 24:14
  like,
• 24:15
  know
• 24:15
  you're
• 24:15
  going
• 24:15
  with
• 24:15
  lighter
• 24:16
  and
• 24:16
  lighter
• 24:16
  leaders
• 24:17
  and
• 24:17
  tippets,
• 24:18
  and
• 24:18
  that
• 24:18
  kind
• 24:18
  of
• 24:19
  seems
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  be
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  trend.
• 24:20
  So
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  don't
• 24:21
  see
• 24:21
  all
• 24:21
  these
• 24:21
  pockets
• 24:22
  of.
• 24:22
  Of
• 24:22
  different
• 24:23
  leader
• 24:23
  formulas
• 24:23
  as
• 24:24
  much
• 24:24
  as
• 24:24
  you
• 24:24
  used
• 24:24
  to.
• 24:25
  But
• 24:26
  now.
• 24:26
  So.
• 24:26
  So
• 24:27
  that's
• 24:27
  kind
• 24:27
  of
• 24:27
  it.
• 24:27
  So
• 24:27
  I'm
• 24:28
  getting
• 24:28
  into
• 24:28
  this
• 24:28
  European
• 24:28
  N
• 24:29
  thing.
• 24:29
  I'm
• 24:29
  falling
• 24:29
  in
• 24:29
  love
• 24:30
  with
• 24:30
  it.
• 24:30
  I'm
• 24:30
  catching
• 24:30
  more
• 24:30
  fish.
• 24:31
  And
• 24:31
  a
• 24:31
  few
• 24:31
  years
• 24:31
  ago,
• 24:32
  I
• 24:32
  find
• 24:32
  out
• 24:32
  one
• 24:32
  of
• 24:32
  my
• 24:32
  good
• 24:33
  friends,
• 24:33
  his
• 24:33
  name's
• 24:33
  Josh
• 24:34
  Miller.
• 24:34
  He
• 24:34
  lives
• 24:34
  in
• 24:34
  Pennsylvania.
• 24:35
  Like
• 24:35
  me
• 24:35
  as
• 24:36
  well.
• 24:37
  Josh
• 24:37
  had.
• 24:37
  Had.
• 24:38
  He
• 24:38
  put
• 24:38
  in
• 24:38
  an
• 24:39
  idea
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  write
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  book
• 24:40
  on
• 24:40
  Euro
• 24:40
  nymphing.
• 24:40
  And.
• 24:40
  And
• 24:41
  Jay
• 24:41
  Nichols,
• 24:41
  publisher,
• 24:42
  Stack
• 24:42
  Pole,
• 24:42
  was
• 24:43
  like,
• 24:43
  let's
• 24:43
  go
• 24:43
  with
• 24:43
  it.
• 24:44
  So
• 24:44
  Josh
• 24:44
  starts
• 24:45
  writing
• 24:45
  that
• 24:45
  book.
• 24:45
  You
• 24:45
  know,
• 24:45
  he's
• 24:46
  talking
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  me
• 24:46
  about
• 24:46
  it.
• 24:47
  I'm
• 24:47
  like,
• 24:48
  gung
• 24:48
  ho.
• 24:48
  I'm
• 24:48
  like,
• 24:48
  this
• 24:49
  is
• 24:49
  awesome.
• 24:49
  I'm
• 24:49
  so
• 24:49
  excited
• 24:50
  for
• 24:50
  my
• 24:50
  buddy.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:51
  in
• 24:51
  the
• 24:51
  meantime,
• 24:52
  like,
• 24:52
  Josh
• 24:52
  had
• 24:53
  asked
• 24:53
  me
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  tie
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  fly
• 24:53
  or
• 24:54
  two
• 24:54
  for
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  book.
• 24:55
  And
• 24:55
  I
• 24:55
  say
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  him,
• 24:55
  how
• 24:56
  much
• 24:56
  are
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  going
• 24:56
  into
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  fly
• 24:57
  tying
• 24:57
  aspect
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  just
• 24:58
  the
• 24:59
  flies
• 24:59
  of
• 24:59
  Euro
• 24:59
  nymphing?
• 25:00
  And
• 25:00
  he's
• 25:00
  like,
• 25:01
  not
• 25:01
  really
• 25:01
  that
• 25:01
  much.
• 25:01
  It's
• 25:02
  really,
• 25:02
  you
• 25:02
  know,
• 25:02
  concentrating
• 25:03
  on
• 25:03
  rods
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  casts
• 25:04
  and
• 25:05
  leaders
• 25:05
  and,
• 25:06
  you
• 25:06
  know,
• 25:06
  technique
• 25:07
  and,
• 25:07
  like,
• 25:07
  all
• 25:07
  right,
• 25:08
  cool.
• 25:08
  So
• 25:08
  I'm
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  just
• 25:09
  kind
• 25:09
  of
• 25:09
  plant
• 25:09
  that
• 25:09
  seed.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  I'm
• 25:10
  like,
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  wonder
• 25:10
  if
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  can
• 25:10
  do
• 25:11
  a
• 25:11
  book
• 25:11
  on
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  flies.
• 25:13
  So
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  kind
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  wait
• 25:14
  a
• 25:14
  little
• 25:14
  bit.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:14
  I
• 25:15
  decided
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  set
• 25:15
  a
• 25:16
  little
• 25:16
  time
• 25:16
  with
• 25:16
  Jay.
• 25:16
  I
• 25:17
  talked
• 25:17
  to
• 25:17
  Jay
• 25:17
  and
• 25:17
  I
• 25:18
  proposed
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  idea.
• 25:18
  I'm
• 25:19
  like,
• 25:19
  hey,
• 25:19
  what
• 25:19
  do
• 25:19
  you
• 25:19
  think
• 25:19
  about
• 25:19
  this
• 25:20
  idea?
• 25:20
  I'm
• 25:20
  going
• 25:20
  to
• 25:21
  write
• 25:21
  a
• 25:21
  book
• 25:21
  on,
• 25:21
  you
• 25:21
  know,
• 25:22
  European
• 25:22
  nifs.
• 25:23
  And
• 25:23
  he
• 25:23
  thinks
• 25:24
  about
• 25:24
  it
• 25:24
  for
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  moment.
• 25:25
  He's
• 25:25
  like,
• 25:25
  yeah,
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  don't
• 25:26
  think
• 25:26
  that's
• 25:26
  going
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  happen.
• 25:26
  And
• 25:27
  he's
• 25:27
  like,
• 25:27
  tim,
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  have
• 25:28
  so
• 25:28
  many
• 25:28
  different
• 25:28
  people
• 25:29
  that
• 25:29
  could
• 25:29
  write
• 25:29
  this
• 25:29
  book
• 25:29
  that
• 25:29
  are
• 25:30
  better
• 25:30
  than
• 25:30
  you.
• 25:30
  I
• 25:31
  could
• 25:31
  get
• 25:31
  Devin
• 25:31
  Olsen.
• 25:32
  I
• 25:32
  could
• 25:32
  get
• 25:32
  George
• 25:32
  Daniel.
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  could
• 25:33
  get
• 25:33
  Josh
• 25:33
  Miller.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  he's
• 25:35
  naming
• 25:35
  all
• 25:36
  these
• 25:36
  just
• 25:37
  top
• 25:37
  angler,
• 25:38
  these
• 25:39
  top
• 25:39
  people.
• 25:40
  And
• 25:40
  he's
• 25:40
  just
• 25:40
  like,
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  could
• 25:41
  just
• 25:41
  see
• 25:42
  me.
• 25:42
  It's
• 25:42
  like
• 25:42
  a
• 25:42
  balloon
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  someone
• 25:43
  just
• 25:43
  popped.
• 25:43
  It's
• 25:44
  just
• 25:44
  so
• 25:44
  deflating.
• 25:45
  And
• 25:45
  he's
• 25:45
  going
• 25:45
  through
• 25:45
  this
• 25:46
  list.
• 25:46
  And
• 25:46
  I'm
• 25:46
  like,
• 25:47
  all
• 25:47
  right,
• 25:47
  well,
• 25:47
  that
• 25:47
  was
• 25:47
  a
• 25:48
  bad
• 25:48
  idea,
• 25:48
  Tim.
• 25:48
  So
• 25:49
  Jay
• 25:49
  keeps
• 25:49
  talking,
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  then
• 25:50
  he
• 25:51
  eventually
• 25:51
  kind
• 25:51
  of
• 25:52
  turns
• 25:52
  and
• 25:52
  he's
• 25:52
  like,
• 25:52
  well,
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  issue
• 25:53
  that
• 25:53
  I
• 25:53
  would
• 25:54
  have
• 25:54
  is
• 25:54
  that,
• 25:54
  you
• 25:54
  know,
• 25:54
  this
• 25:55
  person
• 25:55
  would
• 25:55
  write
• 25:55
  about
• 25:56
  his
• 25:56
  flies,
• 25:56
  and
• 25:57
  this
• 25:57
  person
• 25:57
  would
• 25:57
  write
• 25:57
  about
• 25:57
  his
• 25:58
  flies.
• 25:58
  And
• 25:59
  he's
• 25:59
  like,
• 25:59
  so.
• 25:59
  So
• 26:00
  basically
• 26:00
  what
• 26:00
  you
• 26:00
  got
• 26:01
  to
• 26:01
  do,
• 26:01
  Tim,
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  have
• 26:02
  to
• 26:02
  interview
• 26:02
  all
• 26:02
  these
• 26:02
  anglers,
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  gotta,
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  know,
• 26:04
  kind
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  be
• 26:04
  more
• 26:04
  like
• 26:05
  an
• 26:05
  editor
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
  this
• 26:05
  one
• 26:05
  where
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  still
• 26:06
  gotta
• 26:06
  tie
• 26:06
  the
• 26:07
  flies.
• 26:07
  You
• 26:07
  have
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  pick
• 26:08
  like
• 26:08
  15
• 26:08
  flies,
• 26:09
  but
• 26:09
  then
• 26:09
  you
• 26:09
  have
• 26:09
  to
• 26:10
  interview
• 26:10
  them
• 26:10
  about.
• 26:11
  About
• 26:11
  their
• 26:11
  flies
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  incorporate
• 26:13
  all
• 26:13
  that.
• 26:13
  He's
• 26:13
  like,
• 26:14
  and
• 26:14
  you
• 26:14
  know
• 26:14
  these
• 26:15
  people,
• 26:15
  Tim.
• 26:15
  And.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:16
  I
• 26:16
  think
• 26:16
  you're
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  only
• 26:16
  person
• 26:17
  in
• 26:17
  fly
• 26:17
  fishing
• 26:17
  that
• 26:17
  can
• 26:18
  write
• 26:18
  this
• 26:18
  book.
• 26:19
  And
• 26:19
  that's
• 26:19
  where
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  conversation
• 26:20
  ends.
• 26:20
  And
• 26:21
  I'm
• 26:21
  like,
• 26:21
  what
• 26:21
  the
• 26:22
  hell
• 26:22
  just
• 26:22
  happened?
• 26:23
  Sorry
• 26:23
  for
• 26:23
  swearing.
• 26:24
  I'm
• 26:24
  like,
• 26:24
  what
• 26:24
  happened?
• 26:25
  I'm
• 26:25
  like,
• 26:25
  like.
• 26:26
  So
• 26:26
  I'm
• 26:26
  like,
• 26:26
  jay,
• 26:27
  let's
• 26:27
  just
• 26:27
  recap.
• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
  am
• 26:28
  definitely
• 26:29
  not
• 26:29
  the
• 26:29
  person
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  write
• 26:30
  this
• 26:30
  book,
• 26:30
  but
• 26:30
  I'm
• 26:30
  the
• 26:31
  only
• 26:31
  person
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  write
• 26:32
  this
• 26:32
  book.
• 26:32
  And
• 26:32
  he's
• 26:32
  like,
• 26:32
  exactly.
• 26:33
  He's
• 26:33
  like,
• 26:33
  get
• 26:33
  started.
• 26:34
  Tomorrow.
• 26:34
  I'll
• 26:34
  draw
• 26:34
  up
• 26:34
  a
• 26:35
  contract
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  we'll
• 26:35
  go.
• 26:36
  So,
• 26:36
  you
• 26:37
  know,
• 26:37
  that's.
• 26:37
  That's
• 26:38
  kind
• 26:38
  of
• 26:38
  how
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  book.
• 26:39
  That's
• 26:39
  how
• 26:40
  it
• 26:40
  came
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  be.
• 26:41
  And
• 26:41
  from
• 26:41
  that
• 26:41
  point
• 26:42
  forward,
• 26:42
  you
• 26:43
  know,
• 26:43
  it
• 26:43
  took
• 26:43
  me
• 26:44
  about
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  year
• 26:44
  and
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  half
• 26:44
  to
• 26:44
  write
• 26:45
  it.
• 26:45
  And
• 26:46
  I.
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  was
• 26:47
  very
• 26:47
  lucky
• 26:48
  because
• 26:48
  I
• 26:48
  was
• 26:49
  friends.
• 26:49
  I
• 26:49
  am
• 26:49
  friends
• 26:50
  with
• 26:50
  a
• 26:50
  lot
• 26:50
  of
• 26:50
  the
• 26:51
  top
• 26:51
  anglers
• 26:51
  in
• 26:51
  the
• 26:52
  United
• 26:52
  States
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  some
• 26:52
  of
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  top
• 26:53
  fly
• 26:53
  tires
• 26:53
  for.
• 26:54
  For
• 26:54
  Euro
• 26:54
  nymphs
• 26:55
  around
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  world.
• 26:55
  So
• 26:56
  I
• 26:57
  went.
• 26:57
  Went
• 26:57
  about.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:57
  I
• 26:58
  just
• 26:58
  started
• 26:58
  contacting
• 26:58
  these
• 26:59
  individuals
• 26:59
  and
• 26:59
  said,
• 27:00
  hey,
• 27:00
  are
• 27:00
  you
• 27:00
  up
• 27:01
  for
• 27:01
  doing
• 27:01
  like
• 27:01
  an
• 27:01
  hour
• 27:01
  and
• 27:02
  a
• 27:02
  half
• 27:02
  zoom
• 27:02
  interview?
• 27:02
  And
• 27:03
  I
• 27:03
  told
• 27:03
  them
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  premise
• 27:04
  of
• 27:04
  what
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  was
• 27:04
  going
• 27:04
  to
• 27:05
  be
• 27:05
  talking
• 27:05
  about.
• 27:05
  I
• 27:06
  sent
• 27:06
  them
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  questions
• 27:07
  ahead
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  time.
• 27:07
  And
• 27:07
  then,
• 27:08
  you
• 27:08
  know,
• 27:08
  we
• 27:08
  had
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  zoom
• 27:08
  call
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  it
• 27:09
  was
• 27:09
  face
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  face
• 27:10
  with,
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  know,
• 27:11
  individuals
• 27:11
  like
• 27:12
  Howard
• 27:12
  Cross
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  uk,
• 27:14
  a
• 27:14
  world
• 27:14
  champion.
• 27:15
  Devin
• 27:15
  Olsen,
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  United
• 27:16
  States.
• 27:16
  He
• 27:16
  was
• 27:16
  the
• 27:17
  captain
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  fly
• 27:17
  fishing
• 27:18
  Team
• 27:18
  usa.
• 27:19
  Lance
• 27:19
  Egan,
• 27:19
  Josh
• 27:20
  Miller,
• 27:20
  Pat
• 27:20
  Weiss.
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  mean,
• 27:21
  the
• 27:22
  list
• 27:22
  just
• 27:22
  can.
• 27:22
  Goes
• 27:23
  on
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  on.
• 27:24
  Then
• 27:25
  I
• 27:25
  decided
• 27:25
  to
• 27:25
  have.
• 27:26
  I
• 27:26
  had
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  have
• 27:26
  some
• 27:26
  Europeans
• 27:27
  as
• 27:27
  well,
• 27:27
  because
• 27:28
  besides
• 27:28
  Howard,
• 27:29
  like,
• 27:29
  I
• 27:29
  wanted
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  get
• 27:30
  some
• 27:30
  people
• 27:30
  that
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  top
• 27:32
  anglers
• 27:32
  in
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  world.
• 27:32
  So
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  got
• 27:33
  Lubos
• 27:33
  Rosa
• 27:34
  from
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  Czech
• 27:34
  Republic.
• 27:34
  He
• 27:35
  was
• 27:35
  a
• 27:35
  former
• 27:35
  world
• 27:35
  champion.
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  started
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  interview
• 27:37
  a
• 27:37
  couple
• 27:38
  members
• 27:38
  of
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  youth
• 27:38
  team.
• 27:39
  So
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  got
• 27:39
  them
• 27:39
  involved
• 27:39
  as
• 27:40
  well.
• 27:40
  Then
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  was
• 27:40
  like,
• 27:41
  why
• 27:41
  not
• 27:41
  get
• 27:41
  Pete
• 27:41
  Erickson?
• 27:42
  He's
• 27:42
  on
• 27:42
  kind
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  adult
• 27:43
  senior
• 27:43
  team.
• 27:44
  He
• 27:44
  just
• 27:44
  won
• 27:44
  the
• 27:45
  gold
• 27:45
  medal
• 27:45
  as
• 27:45
  well.
• 27:46
  So
• 27:46
  I'm
• 27:46
  like,
• 27:46
  let's
• 27:46
  get
• 27:46
  Pete
• 27:47
  in
• 27:47
  there
• 27:47
  too.
• 27:48
  And
• 27:48
  it
• 27:49
  was
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  heck
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  lot
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  work
• 27:50
  sitting
• 27:51
  down,
• 27:51
  interviewing
• 27:52
  them,
• 27:52
  writing
• 27:53
  up
• 27:53
  those
• 27:53
  interviews,
• 27:54
  transcribing
• 27:55
  them.
• 27:55
  Because
• 27:56
  then
• 27:56
  separate
• 27:56
  from
• 27:56
  that,
• 27:57
  here
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  am
• 27:57
  writing
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  skeleton
• 27:58
  of
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  book
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  saying,
• 27:59
  all
• 27:59
  right,
• 28:00
  these
• 28:00
  are
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  15
• 28:00
  flies
• 28:01
  and
• 28:01
  these
• 28:01
  are
• 28:02
  their.
• 28:02
  The
• 28:02
  15
• 28:02
  variations.
• 28:03
  So
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  fly,
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  book
• 28:04
  starting
• 28:04
  with
• 28:04
  30
• 28:04
  flies.
• 28:05
  But
• 28:06
  then
• 28:06
  after
• 28:06
  interviewing
• 28:06
  them,
• 28:07
  I'm
• 28:07
  like,
• 28:07
  well,
• 28:07
  I
• 28:07
  got
• 28:07
  to
• 28:07
  delete
• 28:08
  this
• 28:08
  fly
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  add
• 28:08
  this
• 28:09
  fly
• 28:09
  and
• 28:09
  get
• 28:09
  rid
• 28:10
  of
• 28:10
  this
• 28:10
  one
• 28:10
  and
• 28:10
  add
• 28:10
  this
• 28:11
  one.
• 28:11
  So,
• 28:11
  you
• 28:11
  know,
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  have
• 28:12
  a
• 28:12
  new
• 28:12
  15
• 28:13
  flies,
• 28:13
  15
• 28:14
  variations.
• 28:14
  And
• 28:15
  so
• 28:15
  then
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  start
• 28:16
  writing
• 28:16
  those
• 28:16
  sections
• 28:17
  and
• 28:17
  then
• 28:17
  I
• 28:17
  realize
• 28:18
  you
• 28:18
  can't
• 28:18
  write
• 28:18
  a
• 28:18
  book
• 28:19
  on
• 28:19
  flies
• 28:19
  and
• 28:19
  not
• 28:20
  talk
• 28:20
  about
• 28:20
  fly
• 28:20
  fishing.
• 28:21
  Like,
• 28:21
  that's,
• 28:22
  they
• 28:22
  just
• 28:22
  go,
• 28:22
  they're
• 28:23
  so
• 28:23
  hand
• 28:23
  in
• 28:23
  hand.
• 28:24
  So
• 28:24
  then
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  have
• 28:25
  to
• 28:25
  have
• 28:25
  a
• 28:25
  section
• 28:25
  on
• 28:26
  rods
• 28:26
  and
• 28:26
  leaders
• 28:27
  and
• 28:27
  reels
• 28:28
  and
• 28:28
  European
• 28:28
  what
• 28:28
  is
• 28:29
  euro
• 28:29
  nymphing
• 28:29
  and
• 28:30
  hooks.
• 28:30
  And
• 28:30
  you
• 28:31
  know,
• 28:31
  next
• 28:31
  thing
• 28:31
  I
• 28:31
  know,
• 28:32
  like,
• 28:32
  it
• 28:32
  turned
• 28:32
  into
• 28:33
  just
• 28:33
  an
• 28:33
  all
• 28:34
  out
• 28:34
  book
• 28:34
  just
• 28:34
  on.
• 28:35
  It's.
• 28:35
  It's
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  euro
• 28:36
  nymphing
• 28:36
  book
• 28:37
  with
• 28:37
  a
• 28:37
  focus
• 28:37
  on
• 28:37
  the
• 28:38
  flies.
• 28:38
  Then
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  last
• 28:39
  step
• 28:39
  was,
• 28:40
  was
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  trickiest.
• 28:41
  It's
• 28:41
  where
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  took
• 28:41
  all
• 28:41
  their
• 28:41
  quotes
• 28:42
  and
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  started
• 28:43
  putting
• 28:43
  them
• 28:43
  back
• 28:43
  into
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  sections
• 28:44
  where
• 28:45
  they
• 28:45
  belonged.
• 28:46
  And
• 28:46
  I
• 28:46
  got
• 28:46
  that
• 28:47
  kind
• 28:47
  of
• 28:47
  all
• 28:47
  lined
• 28:48
  up
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  I'm
• 28:48
  like,
• 28:49
  all
• 28:49
  right,
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  think
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  have
• 28:49
  this
• 28:49
  ready
• 28:50
  to
• 28:50
  go.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:50
  then
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  realized
• 28:51
  at
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  end
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  my
• 28:52
  first
• 28:52
  interview
• 28:52
  with
• 28:53
  Devin
• 28:53
  Olson,
• 28:53
  I
• 28:53
  asked
• 28:54
  him,
• 28:54
  hey,
• 28:54
  if
• 28:54
  you
• 28:54
  were
• 28:55
  going
• 28:55
  to
• 28:55
  fish
• 28:55
  anywhere
• 28:55
  in
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  world
• 28:56
  and
• 28:56
  you
• 28:56
  could
• 28:56
  only
• 28:56
  bring
• 28:57
  five
• 28:57
  flies,
• 28:58
  what
• 28:58
  would
• 28:58
  your
• 28:59
  five
• 28:59
  flies
• 28:59
  be?
• 29:00
  And
• 29:00
  Devin
• 29:00
  just
• 29:00
  rattled
• 29:00
  them
• 29:00
  off.
• 29:01
  He's
• 29:01
  like,
• 29:01
  1,
• 29:01
  2,
• 29:01
  3,
• 29:02
  4,
• 29:02
  5.
• 29:02
  I'm
• 29:02
  like,
• 29:02
  cool.
• 29:03
  And
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  decided
• 29:03
  to
• 29:04
  keep
• 29:04
  that
• 29:04
  question.
• 29:04
  I
• 29:04
  asked
• 29:05
  everyone
• 29:05
  that
• 29:05
  question
• 29:06
  and
• 29:06
  I
• 29:06
  emailed
• 29:07
  people
• 29:07
  as
• 29:07
  well.
• 29:07
  People
• 29:08
  like
• 29:08
  Tim
• 29:08
  Flagler
• 29:09
  and,
• 29:09
  you
• 29:09
  know,
• 29:09
  Phil
• 29:10
  Raleigh,
• 29:10
  George
• 29:11
  Daniel.
• 29:11
  And
• 29:11
  I
• 29:11
  asked
• 29:11
  them
• 29:12
  that
• 29:12
  question
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  they
• 29:12
  all
• 29:12
  answered
• 29:13
  it.
• 29:13
  It
• 29:13
  was
• 29:13
  wonderful.
• 29:14
  And
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  realized
• 29:14
  that
• 29:15
  now
• 29:15
  not
• 29:16
  only
• 29:16
  do
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  have
• 29:16
  quotes
• 29:17
  from,
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  know,
• 29:18
  some
• 29:18
  of
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  top
• 29:18
  anglers
• 29:19
  from
• 29:19
  around
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  world,
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  also
• 29:20
  have
• 29:21
  Confidence
• 29:21
  lists
• 29:21
  from
• 29:22
  30
• 29:22
  of
• 29:22
  the
• 29:22
  best
• 29:23
  anglers
• 29:23
  and
• 29:24
  fly
• 29:24
  tires
• 29:24
  from
• 29:24
  around
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  world
• 29:25
  too.
• 29:26
  So
• 29:26
  I
• 29:26
  was
• 29:26
  able
• 29:27
  to
• 29:27
  incorporate
• 29:27
  all
• 29:28
  these
• 29:28
  confidence
• 29:29
  lists
• 29:29
  of
• 29:29
  flies,
• 29:29
  which
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  me
• 29:30
  like,
• 29:31
  that
• 29:31
  alone
• 29:31
  was
• 29:32
  like
• 29:32
  worth
• 29:32
  the
• 29:32
  buy
• 29:33
  in
• 29:33
  for
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  book.
• 29:33
  And
• 29:34
  then
• 29:34
  you
• 29:34
  get
• 29:34
  everything
• 29:34
  else
• 29:35
  as
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  bonus.
• 29:36
  Yeah,
• 29:36
  very,
• 29:36
  very
• 29:36
  neat.
• 29:37
  You
• 29:37
  know,
• 29:37
  it's
• 29:37
  funny
• 29:37
  too,
• 29:37
  because
• 29:38
  I,
• 29:38
  you
• 29:38
  know,
• 29:39
  that's,
• 29:39
  it's
• 29:39
  a
• 29:40
  really
• 29:40
  different
• 29:40
  process.
• 29:41
  But,
• 29:41
  you
• 29:41
  know,
• 29:42
  let's
• 29:42
  talk
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  little
• 29:42
  bit
• 29:43
  about
• 29:43
  kind
• 29:43
  of
• 29:43
  who
• 29:43
  the
• 29:44
  ideal
• 29:44
  reader
• 29:45
  for
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  book
• 29:45
  would
• 29:45
  be,
• 29:45
  like,
• 29:46
  who
• 29:46
  did
• 29:46
  you
• 29:46
  write
• 29:46
  it
• 29:46
  for?
• 29:47
  Gosh,
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:48
  a
• 29:48
  tricky
• 29:49
  one
• 29:49
  because
• 29:49
  with
• 29:50
  my
• 29:50
  background
• 29:50
  being
• 29:50
  a
• 29:51
  teacher,
• 29:51
  I
• 29:51
  wanted
• 29:51
  to
• 29:51
  make
• 29:52
  sure
• 29:52
  that
• 29:52
  everything
• 29:52
  was
• 29:53
  broken
• 29:53
  down
• 29:53
  into
• 29:53
  really
• 29:54
  digestible
• 29:54
  pieces
• 29:55
  for
• 29:55
  those,
• 29:56
  you
• 29:56
  know,
• 29:56
  individuals
• 29:57
  that
• 29:57
  love
• 29:57
  pictures.
• 29:57
  My
• 29:58
  book
• 29:58
  is
• 29:58
  just.
• 29:58
  And
• 29:58
  you
• 29:59
  know,
• 29:59
  this,
• 29:59
  you,
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  have
• 29:59
  a
• 29:59
  copy.
• 30:00
  It's
• 30:00
  just
• 30:00
  loaded
• 30:01
  with
• 30:01
  pictures.
• 30:01
  I
• 30:01
  mean,
• 30:01
  so
• 30:02
  much
• 30:02
  photography
• 30:02
  in
• 30:03
  there.
• 30:03
  So
• 30:03
  I
• 30:04
  wanted
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  a
• 30:04
  minimum
• 30:05
  of
• 30:05
  one
• 30:05
  picture
• 30:05
  on
• 30:05
  every
• 30:06
  page
• 30:06
  plus
• 30:07
  all
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  macro
• 30:07
  photography.
• 30:08
  So
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  wanted
• 30:08
  people
• 30:08
  who
• 30:09
  are
• 30:09
  visual
• 30:09
  readers
• 30:09
  as
• 30:10
  well
• 30:10
  to,
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  have
• 30:10
  a
• 30:11
  takeaway
• 30:11
  from
• 30:11
  this
• 30:11
  book.
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  didn't
• 30:12
  want
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  get
• 30:13
  it
• 30:13
  so
• 30:13
  niched
• 30:14
  down
• 30:14
  that
• 30:14
  this
• 30:14
  was
• 30:15
  only
• 30:15
  going
• 30:15
  to
• 30:15
  be
• 30:15
  for
• 30:15
  people
• 30:16
  who
• 30:16
  were
• 30:16
  already
• 30:17
  into
• 30:17
  euro
• 30:17
  nymphing,
• 30:18
  because
• 30:19
  that's
• 30:19
  not
• 30:19
  the
• 30:20
  target
• 30:20
  audience.
• 30:20
  I
• 30:20
  mean,
• 30:21
  for
• 30:21
  those
• 30:21
  people
• 30:21
  who
• 30:21
  consider
• 30:22
  themselves,
• 30:22
  you
• 30:23
  know,
• 30:23
  beginners
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  intermediate
• 30:25
  anglers
• 30:25
  in
• 30:25
  Euro
• 30:25
  nymphing,
• 30:26
  absolutely.
• 30:27
  This
• 30:27
  is
• 30:27
  for
• 30:27
  you.
• 30:28
  It's
• 30:28
  also
• 30:28
  for
• 30:29
  those
• 30:29
  who
• 30:29
  are
• 30:29
  interested
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  learn
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  little
• 30:30
  bit
• 30:31
  more
• 30:31
  about
• 30:31
  nymph
• 30:31
  fishing,
• 30:32
  because
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  know
• 30:32
  a
• 30:33
  lot
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  anglers,
• 30:33
  they
• 30:34
  really
• 30:34
  like
• 30:34
  to
• 30:34
  target
• 30:35
  trout
• 30:35
  with
• 30:35
  dry
• 30:36
  flies
• 30:36
  or
• 30:36
  with
• 30:36
  streamers.
• 30:37
  They
• 30:37
  want
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  learn
• 30:37
  a
• 30:37
  little
• 30:38
  bit
• 30:38
  more
• 30:38
  about
• 30:38
  nymphs.
• 30:39
  So
• 30:39
  in
• 30:39
  every
• 30:40
  section,
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  don't
• 30:41
  just
• 30:41
  tell
• 30:41
  you
• 30:41
  about
• 30:41
  how
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  tie
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  flies.
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  also
• 30:43
  give,
• 30:43
  you
• 30:43
  know,
• 30:43
  tips
• 30:44
  and
• 30:44
  techniques
• 30:45
  on
• 30:45
  how
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  fish
• 30:45
  the
• 30:45
  flies.
• 30:46
  And
• 30:46
  then
• 30:47
  for
• 30:47
  individuals
• 30:47
  who
• 30:48
  are
• 30:48
  fly
• 30:48
  tires
• 30:48
  out
• 30:49
  there,
• 30:49
  I
• 30:49
  didn't
• 30:49
  want
• 30:49
  it
• 30:49
  to
• 30:49
  just
• 30:49
  be
• 30:49
  a
• 30:50
  book
• 30:50
  on
• 30:50
  here's
• 30:51
  15
• 30:51
  patterns
• 30:51
  and
• 30:51
  15
• 30:52
  variations.
• 30:52
  Here's
• 30:53
  your
• 30:53
  30
• 30:53
  flies.
• 30:54
  But
• 30:54
  I
• 30:54
  also
• 30:54
  have
• 30:55
  a
• 30:55
  section
• 30:55
  for
• 30:55
  each
• 30:56
  fly
• 30:56
  on
• 30:57
  just
• 30:57
  different
• 30:57
  nuances
• 30:58
  with
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  materials
• 30:59
  to
• 30:59
  say,
• 30:59
  hey,
• 30:59
  I
• 30:59
  tied
• 30:59
  it
• 30:59
  with
• 31:00
  this
• 31:00
  material.
• 31:00
  But
• 31:01
  for
• 31:01
  those
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  you
• 31:01
  who
• 31:01
  love
• 31:02
  variations
• 31:02
  or
• 31:02
  you
• 31:03
  love
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  experiment
• 31:03
  with
• 31:03
  other
• 31:04
  materials,
• 31:04
  here's
• 31:05
  another
• 31:05
  suggestion
• 31:05
  on
• 31:06
  something
• 31:06
  else
• 31:06
  you
• 31:06
  can
• 31:06
  do.
• 31:07
  So
• 31:07
  I
• 31:08
  tried
• 31:08
  my
• 31:08
  best
• 31:08
  to
• 31:09
  target
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  bunch
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  different
• 31:10
  audiences.
• 31:11
  I
• 31:11
  wanted
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  target
• 31:11
  fly
• 31:12
  tires.
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  wanted
• 31:13
  to
• 31:13
  target
• 31:13
  fly
• 31:13
  fishermen
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  fly
• 31:14
  fishers
• 31:15
  who
• 31:15
  are
• 31:15
  into
• 31:15
  European
• 31:16
  nymphing.
• 31:16
  I
• 31:16
  want
• 31:16
  to
• 31:17
  target
• 31:17
  those
• 31:17
  who
• 31:18
  are
• 31:18
  kind
• 31:18
  of
• 31:18
  peaked
• 31:18
  and
• 31:19
  who
• 31:19
  are
• 31:19
  kind
• 31:19
  of
• 31:19
  interested
• 31:20
  in
• 31:20
  dabbling
• 31:21
  and
• 31:21
  going
• 31:21
  down
• 31:22
  that
• 31:22
  path.
• 31:22
  So
• 31:23
  I
• 31:23
  tried
• 31:23
  my
• 31:23
  best
• 31:23
  to
• 31:24
  make
• 31:24
  it
• 31:24
  as
• 31:24
  well
• 31:24
  rounded
• 31:25
  as
• 31:25
  possible.
• 31:26
  And
• 31:26
  then
• 31:26
  just
• 31:26
  for
• 31:26
  that,
• 31:27
  for
• 31:27
  that
• 31:27
  conventional
• 31:28
  fly
• 31:28
  fisher,
• 31:28
  the
• 31:28
  person
• 31:29
  who's
• 31:29
  like,
• 31:29
  hey,
• 31:29
  I'm
• 31:30
  not
• 31:30
  even
• 31:30
  into
• 31:30
  fly
• 31:30
  fishing.
• 31:31
  I'm
• 31:31
  sorry,
• 31:31
  I'm
• 31:32
  not
• 31:32
  into
• 31:32
  fly
• 31:32
  tying.
• 31:33
  That's
• 31:33
  where
• 31:33
  those
• 31:33
  confidence
• 31:34
  lists
• 31:34
  came
• 31:34
  into
• 31:35
  play
• 31:35
  because
• 31:35
  it
• 31:36
  wasn't
• 31:36
  just
• 31:36
  like,
• 31:36
  here's
• 31:37
  Devin's
• 31:37
  five,
• 31:38
  it
• 31:38
  was
• 31:38
  here's
• 31:38
  his
• 31:39
  five,
• 31:39
  five
• 31:39
  flies.
• 31:40
  But
• 31:40
  now
• 31:40
  he's
• 31:40
  going
• 31:40
  to
• 31:40
  talk
• 31:41
  about
• 31:41
  one
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  them
• 31:41
  in
• 31:42
  A
• 31:42
  little
• 31:42
  bit
• 31:42
  more
• 31:42
  detail
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  tell
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  how
• 31:43
  he
• 31:44
  fishes
• 31:44
  it
• 31:44
  and
• 31:44
  his
• 31:45
  techniques
• 31:45
  with
• 31:45
  it.
• 31:46
  So,
• 31:46
  you
• 31:46
  know,
• 31:46
  I
• 31:46
  tried
• 31:47
  my
• 31:47
  best
• 31:47
  to
• 31:47
  really
• 31:49
  have
• 31:49
  a
• 31:49
  little
• 31:49
  bit
• 31:49
  of
• 31:50
  something
• 31:50
  for
• 31:50
  everyone
• 31:50
  in
• 31:50
  there
• 31:51
  in
• 31:51
  this
• 31:51
  book.
• 31:52
  Yeah,
• 31:52
  very
• 31:52
  neat,
• 31:52
  you
• 31:53
  know,
• 31:53
  and,
• 31:53
  you
• 31:53
  know,
• 31:53
  obviously
• 31:54
  the
• 31:55
  first
• 31:55
  book
• 31:55
  was
• 31:55
  very,
• 31:55
  very
• 31:56
  different,
• 31:57
  but,
• 31:58
  you
• 31:58
  know,
• 31:58
  were
• 31:58
  there
• 31:59
  lessons
• 31:59
  from
• 32:00
  writing
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  first
• 32:00
  book
• 32:01
  that
• 32:01
  you
• 32:01
  brought
• 32:01
  to
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  second
• 32:02
  book
• 32:02
  to
• 32:02
  make
• 32:03
  that
• 32:03
  process
• 32:03
  less
• 32:04
  traumatic?
• 32:06
  Oh,
• 32:06
  I
• 32:07
  don't
• 32:07
  know.
• 32:09
  The
• 32:09
  first
• 32:09
  book,
• 32:10
  the
• 32:10
  biggest
• 32:11
  issue
• 32:12
  that
• 32:12
  I
• 32:12
  had
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  macro
• 32:13
  photography.
• 32:13
  That
• 32:14
  was
• 32:14
  number
• 32:14
  one.
• 32:14
  I
• 32:14
  think
• 32:14
  I
• 32:15
  talked
• 32:15
  a
• 32:15
  little
• 32:15
  bit
• 32:15
  about
• 32:15
  that.
• 32:16
  So
• 32:16
  in
• 32:16
  this
• 32:17
  book,
• 32:17
  I
• 32:18
  said
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  myself,
• 32:18
  I
• 32:19
  want
• 32:19
  to
• 32:19
  jump
• 32:19
  on
• 32:19
  that
• 32:19
  a
• 32:20
  little
• 32:20
  bit
• 32:20
  earlier.
• 32:20
  I
• 32:20
  want
• 32:20
  to
• 32:21
  dial
• 32:22
  in
• 32:22
  my
• 32:22
  photography.
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  wanted
• 32:23
  to
• 32:23
  really
• 32:24
  start
• 32:24
  that
• 32:24
  first
• 32:25
  because
• 32:25
  the
• 32:26
  writing
• 32:26
  really
• 32:26
  came
• 32:27
  naturally
• 32:27
  for
• 32:27
  me
• 32:28
  in
• 32:28
  these
• 32:28
  books.
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  mean,
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  was
• 32:29
  very
• 32:29
  lucky
• 32:30
  for
• 32:30
  both
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  them.
• 32:30
  I
• 32:31
  was
• 32:31
  able
• 32:31
  to
• 32:31
  wake
• 32:31
  up
• 32:31
  pretty
• 32:31
  early
• 32:32
  in
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  morning,
• 32:32
  somewhere
• 32:33
  around
• 32:33
  5,
• 32:33
  5:30,
• 32:34
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:34
  make
• 32:34
  it
• 32:35
  a,
• 32:35
  you
• 32:35
  know,
• 32:35
  double
• 32:35
  espresso
• 32:36
  and
• 32:36
  then
• 32:36
  just
• 32:37
  write
• 32:37
  500
• 32:37
  words
• 32:38
  every
• 32:38
  day.
• 32:38
  That
• 32:38
  was
• 32:38
  about
• 32:38
  my
• 32:39
  target.
• 32:39
  So
• 32:39
  I
• 32:39
  was.
• 32:40
  I
• 32:40
  was
• 32:40
  pretty,
• 32:40
  you
• 32:41
  know,
• 32:41
  regimented
• 32:41
  with
• 32:42
  that.
• 32:42
  And
• 32:42
  I
• 32:42
  did
• 32:42
  a
• 32:42
  really
• 32:42
  good
• 32:43
  job.
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  mean,
• 32:43
  even
• 32:43
  when
• 32:44
  I
• 32:44
  was
• 32:44
  in
• 32:44
  Alaska
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  couple
• 32:45
  years
• 32:45
  ago,
• 32:45
  I'd
• 32:45
  wake
• 32:45
  up
• 32:46
  every
• 32:46
  morning
• 32:46
  and
• 32:46
  have
• 32:47
  a
• 32:47
  coffee
• 32:47
  and
• 32:47
  type
• 32:48
  my
• 32:48
  500
• 32:48
  words
• 32:48
  and
• 32:49
  move
• 32:49
  on
• 32:49
  with
• 32:49
  my
• 32:49
  day.
• 32:50
  So
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  writing
• 32:51
  part
• 32:51
  came
• 32:51
  really
• 32:52
  quick.
• 32:52
  But
• 32:53
  the
• 32:53
  photography
• 32:54
  was
• 32:54
  something
• 32:54
  that
• 32:55
  had
• 32:55
  to
• 32:55
  be
• 32:55
  so
• 32:56
  perfect
• 32:56
  because,
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  know,
• 32:57
  every
• 32:58
  single
• 32:58
  image
• 32:58
  is
• 32:58
  just
• 32:58
  going
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  get
• 32:59
  blown
• 32:59
  up
• 32:59
  and
• 32:59
  enlarged
• 33:00
  in
• 33:00
  the
• 33:00
  book.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:00
  I
• 33:00
  wanted
• 33:01
  to
• 33:01
  make
• 33:01
  sure
• 33:01
  it's
• 33:02
  professional.
• 33:02
  That
• 33:03
  was.
• 33:03
  That
• 33:03
  was
• 33:03
  my
• 33:03
  takeaway.
• 33:04
  So
• 33:05
  whenever
• 33:05
  I'm
• 33:05
  thinking,
• 33:06
  what's
• 33:06
  that
• 33:06
  lesson?
• 33:06
  It
• 33:07
  was
• 33:07
  start
• 33:07
  my
• 33:08
  photography
• 33:08
  earlier
• 33:09
  in
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  process.
• 33:10
  So
• 33:10
  I
• 33:10
  didn't,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  know,
• 33:11
  turn
• 33:11
  this
• 33:11
  book
• 33:11
  in
• 33:11
  as
• 33:12
  late,
• 33:12
  but
• 33:12
  it
• 33:13
  was
• 33:13
  still
• 33:13
  late.
• 33:13
  That
• 33:14
  was
• 33:14
  lesson
• 33:14
  number
• 33:14
  one.
• 33:15
  Then
• 33:16
  lesson
• 33:16
  number
• 33:16
  two.
• 33:17
  One
• 33:17
  of
• 33:17
  the
• 33:18
  fly
• 33:18
  fishing
• 33:18
  shows,
• 33:18
  I
• 33:19
  think
• 33:19
  it
• 33:19
  was
• 33:19
  at
• 33:19
  the
• 33:19
  Denver
• 33:20
  show
• 33:21
  maybe
• 33:21
  last
• 33:22
  year,
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  met
• 33:23
  somebody.
• 33:24
  He
• 33:24
  had
• 33:24
  bought
• 33:24
  my
• 33:24
  first
• 33:25
  book.
• 33:25
  I'd
• 33:25
  signed
• 33:26
  it
• 33:26
  for
• 33:26
  him.
• 33:26
  And
• 33:26
  he
• 33:26
  said
• 33:26
  to
• 33:27
  me,
• 33:27
  hey,
• 33:27
  I'm
• 33:27
  looking
• 33:27
  for
• 33:27
  a
• 33:27
  book
• 33:28
  on.
• 33:28
  On
• 33:28
  Euro
• 33:28
  Nymphs
• 33:29
  or
• 33:29
  Euro
• 33:29
  Nymphing.
• 33:30
  And
• 33:30
  I'm
• 33:30
  like,
• 33:30
  oh,
• 33:30
  perfect.
• 33:31
  Like,
• 33:31
  you
• 33:31
  know,
• 33:31
  I
• 33:32
  know
• 33:32
  there's,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:32
  know,
• 33:32
  the
• 33:32
  bookstore
• 33:33
  here,
• 33:33
  Ben
• 33:33
  Frimsky,
• 33:34
  you
• 33:34
  know,
• 33:34
  runs
• 33:34
  it.
• 33:35
  Why
• 33:35
  don't
• 33:35
  we
• 33:35
  walk
• 33:36
  over,
• 33:36
  I'll
• 33:36
  recommend
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  couple
• 33:37
  books.
• 33:38
  And
• 33:38
  there
• 33:38
  were
• 33:38
  two
• 33:39
  books
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  kind
• 33:39
  of
• 33:40
  rose
• 33:40
  to
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  top
• 33:40
  of
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  list.
• 33:41
  And
• 33:41
  I
• 33:41
  grabbed
• 33:41
  those
• 33:42
  two
• 33:42
  books
• 33:42
  and
• 33:43
  I
• 33:43
  showed
• 33:43
  him
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  two
• 33:43
  books
• 33:44
  and
• 33:44
  I
• 33:44
  kind
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  explained
• 33:45
  the
• 33:45
  two.
• 33:45
  And
• 33:46
  in
• 33:46
  my
• 33:46
  mind,
• 33:46
  one
• 33:47
  of
• 33:47
  them
• 33:47
  was
• 33:47
  not
• 33:48
  necessarily.
• 33:48
  I
• 33:48
  don't
• 33:48
  want
• 33:48
  to
• 33:48
  say
• 33:48
  the
• 33:49
  better
• 33:49
  book.
• 33:49
  I
• 33:49
  just
• 33:49
  thought
• 33:50
  there
• 33:50
  was
• 33:50
  more
• 33:50
  information
• 33:51
  for
• 33:51
  what
• 33:51
  he
• 33:51
  was
• 33:52
  looking
• 33:52
  for,
• 33:52
  but
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  didn't
• 33:53
  recommend
• 33:53
  one
• 33:53
  over
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  other.
• 33:54
  I
• 33:54
  said,
• 33:54
  hey,
• 33:54
  these
• 33:54
  are
• 33:55
  two
• 33:55
  great
• 33:55
  books.
• 33:55
  And
• 33:55
  he's
• 33:55
  like,
• 33:56
  great.
• 33:56
  He
• 33:56
  picked
• 33:56
  up
• 33:56
  this
• 33:57
  one
• 33:57
  and
• 33:58
  he
• 33:58
  said,
• 33:58
  this
• 33:58
  is
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  one
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  want.
• 33:59
  And
• 34:00
  Marvin,
• 34:00
  it
• 34:00
  wasn't
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  one
• 34:00
  that
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  wanted
• 34:01
  him
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  get.
• 34:01
  And
• 34:02
  I
• 34:02
  said
• 34:02
  to
• 34:02
  him,
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  got
• 34:03
  lucky.
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  was
• 34:04
  like,
• 34:04
  hey,
• 34:04
  I'm
• 34:04
  curious.
• 34:05
  Why
• 34:05
  are
• 34:05
  you
• 34:05
  going
• 34:05
  with
• 34:05
  that
• 34:06
  book?
• 34:06
  And
• 34:06
  he's
• 34:06
  like,
• 34:07
  there's
• 34:07
  more
• 34:07
  pictures
• 34:07
  in
• 34:08
  this
• 34:08
  one.
• 34:08
  He's
• 34:08
  like,
• 34:08
  I'm
• 34:09
  very
• 34:09
  visual.
• 34:10
  And
• 34:10
  that's
• 34:10
  something
• 34:11
  that
• 34:11
  I
• 34:11
  kind
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  forgot
• 34:12
  in
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  first
• 34:12
  book.
• 34:13
  My
• 34:13
  first
• 34:13
  book,
• 34:14
  there's
• 34:14
  definitely
• 34:14
  a
• 34:14
  lot
• 34:14
  of
• 34:15
  images,
• 34:15
  but
• 34:15
  it
• 34:15
  was
• 34:16
  really
• 34:16
  word
• 34:17
  heavy
• 34:17
  outside
• 34:18
  of
• 34:18
  the
• 34:19
  macro
• 34:19
  photography.
• 34:20
  And
• 34:21
  I
• 34:21
  wanted
• 34:21
  my
• 34:22
  best
• 34:22
  to
• 34:22
  really
• 34:22
  incorporate
• 34:23
  more
• 34:23
  images.
• 34:24
  That
• 34:24
  was
• 34:24
  a
• 34:24
  lesson
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  learned.
• 34:25
  I'm
• 34:25
  like,
• 34:25
  people
• 34:26
  love
• 34:26
  pictures.
• 34:27
  And
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  just
• 34:27
  got
• 34:28
  a
• 34:28
  text
• 34:28
  from
• 34:28
  somebody
• 34:28
  today,
• 34:29
  and
• 34:29
  the
• 34:30
  text
• 34:30
  starts
• 34:30
  off
• 34:30
  with
• 34:31
  your
• 34:31
  photography
• 34:32
  was
• 34:32
  like.
• 34:32
  Was
• 34:33
  amazing.
• 34:34
  That
• 34:34
  made
• 34:34
  my
• 34:34
  day.
• 34:34
  I
• 34:35
  was
• 34:35
  like,
• 34:35
  it
• 34:35
  wasn't
• 34:35
  just
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  pictures
• 34:36
  of
• 34:36
  the
• 34:37
  flies.
• 34:37
  It
• 34:37
  was
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  pictures
• 34:38
  that
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  anglers
• 34:38
  included
• 34:39
  as
• 34:39
  well.
• 34:39
  And,
• 34:39
  you
• 34:40
  know,
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  just
• 34:40
  have
• 34:40
  so
• 34:41
  many
• 34:41
  different
• 34:41
  types
• 34:41
  of.
• 34:42
  Of
• 34:42
  pictures
• 34:42
  in
• 34:42
  the
• 34:43
  second
• 34:43
  book
• 34:43
  that
• 34:44
  I'm
• 34:44
  proud
• 34:44
  of
• 34:45
  that
• 34:45
  I'll
• 34:45
  say
• 34:45
  it
• 34:45
  that
• 34:46
  way.
• 34:46
  Yeah.
• 34:46
  And
• 34:47
  it's
• 34:47
  neat,
• 34:47
  too,
• 34:47
  because
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  think
• 34:48
  people
• 34:48
  don't
• 34:49
  understand
• 34:49
  that,
• 34:50
  you
• 34:50
  know,
• 34:51
  almost.
• 34:51
  Well,
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  don't
• 34:52
  know
• 34:52
  anyone
• 34:53
  that
• 34:53
  had
• 34:53
  someone
• 34:53
  take
• 34:54
  pictures
• 34:54
  for
• 34:54
  them
• 34:55
  for
• 34:55
  any
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  their
• 34:55
  fishing,
• 34:56
  fly
• 34:56
  fishing
• 34:56
  books.
• 34:57
  So,
• 34:57
  you
• 34:58
  know,
• 34:58
  you're
• 34:59
  doing
• 34:59
  your
• 34:59
  pictures,
• 35:00
  you're
• 35:00
  writing
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  book,
• 35:01
  you're
• 35:01
  doing
• 35:01
  promotion.
• 35:02
  There's
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  ton,
• 35:03
  ton
• 35:04
  of
• 35:04
  stuff
• 35:04
  you
• 35:04
  have
• 35:04
  to
• 35:05
  do.
• 35:05
  And,
• 35:05
  you
• 35:05
  know,
• 35:05
  in
• 35:06
  this
• 35:06
  book,
• 35:06
  it
• 35:06
  wasn't.
• 35:06
  Let
• 35:07
  me
• 35:07
  pick
• 35:07
  some
• 35:07
  patterns
• 35:07
  and
• 35:08
  tie
• 35:08
  them.
• 35:08
  So
• 35:08
  your
• 35:08
  challenge
• 35:09
  was
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  photography.
• 35:10
  It's
• 35:10
  like,
• 35:10
  I
• 35:11
  got
• 35:11
  to
• 35:11
  go
• 35:11
  wrangle,
• 35:12
  you
• 35:12
  know,
• 35:12
  30
• 35:12
  anglers.
• 35:14
  And,
• 35:14
  you
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  that's.
• 35:15
  That
• 35:16
  involves,
• 35:16
  you
• 35:16
  know,
• 35:17
  getting
• 35:17
  like,
• 35:18
  releases,
• 35:19
  like
• 35:19
  all,
• 35:20
  all
• 35:20
  of
• 35:20
  that
• 35:20
  stuff.
• 35:20
  Why
• 35:21
  don't
• 35:21
  you
• 35:21
  let
• 35:21
  folks
• 35:21
  know
• 35:21
  a
• 35:22
  little
• 35:22
  bit
• 35:22
  about
• 35:22
  kind
• 35:22
  of,
• 35:23
  you
• 35:23
  know,
• 35:24
  that
• 35:24
  interview
• 35:24
  process
• 35:25
  with
• 35:25
  each
• 35:25
  tire,
• 35:27
  you
• 35:28
  know,
• 35:28
  maybe
• 35:28
  highlight
• 35:29
  what
• 35:29
  we
• 35:29
  talked
• 35:29
  really
• 35:30
  kind
• 35:30
  of
• 35:30
  about
• 35:30
  the
• 35:30
  people
• 35:31
  that.
• 35:31
  Some
• 35:31
  of
• 35:31
  the
• 35:31
  people
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  interviewed,
• 35:32
  but
• 35:32
  also
• 35:32
  too,
• 35:32
  just
• 35:33
  that
• 35:33
  whole
• 35:33
  process.
• 35:33
  Because
• 35:33
  you're
• 35:34
  trying
• 35:34
  to
• 35:34
  write
• 35:34
  a
• 35:34
  book
• 35:34
  and
• 35:34
  you're
• 35:35
  chasing
• 35:35
  basically
• 35:36
  30
• 35:36
  squirrels,
• 35:37
  right?
• 35:38
  More
• 35:38
  than
• 35:38
  that,
• 35:38
  maybe
• 35:39
  35
• 35:39
  squirrels.
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  don't
• 35:40
  know
• 35:40
  what
• 35:40
  the
• 35:40
  total
• 35:40
  number.
• 35:41
  It
• 35:41
  was
• 35:41
  over
• 35:41
  30.
• 35:42
  First
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  all,
• 35:44
  this
• 35:44
  book,
• 35:44
  I
• 35:45
  have
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  say
• 35:45
  this.
• 35:45
  I
• 35:45
  mean,
• 35:46
  it's
• 35:46
  not
• 35:46
  possible
• 35:47
  without
• 35:47
  those
• 35:47
  individuals.
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  mean,
• 35:48
  it
• 35:48
  was
• 35:48
  Jay's
• 35:48
  idea.
• 35:49
  And
• 35:49
  then
• 35:49
  these
• 35:50
  people
• 35:50
  said
• 35:50
  yes.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:51
  that's
• 35:51
  Something
• 35:51
  that
• 35:52
  really
• 35:52
  I
• 35:52
  have
• 35:53
  to
• 35:53
  reinforce
• 35:53
  is
• 35:53
  that
• 35:54
  these
• 35:55
  are
• 35:55
  anglers.
• 35:55
  These
• 35:55
  are
• 35:55
  some
• 35:56
  of
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  top
• 35:56
  anglers
• 35:56
  in
• 35:57
  the
• 35:57
  world
• 35:57
  that
• 35:57
  were
• 35:57
  willing
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  not
• 35:58
  only
• 35:58
  just
• 35:58
  give
• 35:59
  me
• 35:59
  an
• 35:59
  hour
• 35:59
  and
• 35:59
  a
• 35:59
  half
• 35:59
  or
• 35:59
  two
• 36:00
  hours
• 36:00
  of
• 36:00
  their
• 36:00
  time
• 36:01
  and
• 36:01
  all
• 36:01
  my
• 36:01
  text
• 36:01
  messages
• 36:02
  and
• 36:02
  my
• 36:02
  DMs
• 36:03
  and
• 36:03
  all
• 36:03
  my
• 36:03
  emails
• 36:03
  after
• 36:04
  that,
• 36:04
  but
• 36:04
  it
• 36:05
  was
• 36:05
  also
• 36:05
  people
• 36:05
  that
• 36:06
  were
• 36:06
  willing
• 36:06
  to
• 36:07
  say,
• 36:07
  like,
• 36:08
  this
• 36:08
  is
• 36:08
  what
• 36:08
  I'm
• 36:09
  doing
• 36:09
  right
• 36:09
  now.
• 36:09
  Like,
• 36:10
  this
• 36:10
  is
• 36:10
  where
• 36:10
  we
• 36:11
  are
• 36:11
  right
• 36:11
  now
• 36:11
  in
• 36:11
  the
• 36:11
  world
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  fly
• 36:12
  fishing.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:13
  I
• 36:13
  want
• 36:13
  people
• 36:13
  to
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:14
  like,
• 36:14
  this
• 36:15
  is
• 36:15
  how
• 36:15
  you
• 36:15
  get
• 36:15
  better.
• 36:16
  And
• 36:16
  I,
• 36:17
  you
• 36:17
  know,
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  think
• 36:17
  in
• 36:18
  fly
• 36:18
  fishing,
• 36:18
  at
• 36:18
  least
• 36:18
  in
• 36:19
  my
• 36:19
  perspective,
• 36:19
  I've
• 36:20
  been,
• 36:20
  I've
• 36:20
  been
• 36:20
  angling
• 36:20
  for
• 36:21
  a
• 36:21
  heck
• 36:21
  of
• 36:21
  a
• 36:21
  long
• 36:21
  time.
• 36:21
  I
• 36:22
  think,
• 36:22
  you
• 36:22
  know,
• 36:22
  I've
• 36:23
  been
• 36:23
  fishing
• 36:23
  for
• 36:23
  35
• 36:23
  years,
• 36:24
  fly
• 36:24
  fishing
• 36:24
  for
• 36:24
  35
• 36:25
  years.
• 36:25
  And,
• 36:26
  and
• 36:26
  I
• 36:27
  mean,
• 36:27
  I
• 36:27
  remember
• 36:28
  at
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  beginning,
• 36:29
  like
• 36:29
  information
• 36:29
  was
• 36:30
  tough.
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  mean,
• 36:31
  there
• 36:31
  was
• 36:31
  still
• 36:32
  information
• 36:32
  out
• 36:32
  there,
• 36:32
  but
• 36:33
  I
• 36:33
  always
• 36:33
  felt
• 36:33
  like
• 36:34
  there
• 36:34
  was
• 36:34
  just
• 36:34
  that
• 36:35
  there's
• 36:35
  always
• 36:35
  a
• 36:35
  secret,
• 36:35
  you
• 36:36
  know,
• 36:36
  besides
• 36:36
  a
• 36:36
  secret
• 36:37
  spot.
• 36:37
  There
• 36:37
  was
• 36:37
  that
• 36:37
  secret
• 36:38
  flyer,
• 36:38
  that
• 36:39
  secret
• 36:39
  technique.
• 36:40
  And
• 36:40
  it's,
• 36:40
  and
• 36:41
  I
• 36:41
  think
• 36:41
  we're
• 36:41
  really
• 36:41
  fortunate
• 36:42
  because
• 36:42
  in
• 36:43
  the
• 36:43
  current
• 36:44
  world,
• 36:44
  like,
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:45
  know,
• 36:45
  it's
• 36:46
  almost
• 36:46
  like
• 36:46
  there
• 36:46
  are
• 36:46
  no
• 36:47
  secrets.
• 36:47
  There's
• 36:47
  almost
• 36:47
  too
• 36:48
  much
• 36:48
  information.
• 36:48
  It's
• 36:49
  almost
• 36:49
  like
• 36:49
  the
• 36:49
  information's
• 36:50
  there,
• 36:50
  but
• 36:50
  you
• 36:50
  have
• 36:50
  to
• 36:51
  really
• 36:51
  do
• 36:51
  your
• 36:51
  best
• 36:51
  to
• 36:51
  solve,
• 36:52
  sort
• 36:52
  it.
• 36:53
  And
• 36:53
  by
• 36:53
  selecting
• 36:54
  these
• 36:54
  anglers,
• 36:54
  I
• 36:55
  was
• 36:55
  lucky
• 36:55
  because
• 36:55
  I,
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  got
• 36:56
  to
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  people
• 36:56
  that
• 36:57
  they
• 36:57
  found
• 36:57
  a
• 36:58
  way
• 36:58
  to
• 36:58
  sort
• 36:58
  the
• 36:58
  information
• 36:58
  and
• 36:59
  really
• 36:59
  just
• 37:00
  take
• 37:00
  off
• 37:00
  with
• 37:00
  it
• 37:01
  and
• 37:01
  you
• 37:01
  know,
• 37:02
  to
• 37:02
  kind
• 37:02
  of
• 37:02
  walk
• 37:02
  you
• 37:02
  through,
• 37:03
  we'll
• 37:03
  just
• 37:03
  stay
• 37:03
  with
• 37:03
  like
• 37:03
  Devin
• 37:04
  Olsen.
• 37:04
  I
• 37:05
  used
• 37:05
  his,
• 37:05
  him
• 37:05
  for
• 37:05
  the
• 37:05
  example
• 37:06
  because
• 37:06
  he
• 37:06
  was
• 37:06
  one
• 37:06
  of
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  first
• 37:07
  anglers
• 37:08
  that
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  interviewed.
• 37:09
  And
• 37:09
  with
• 37:10
  Devin,
• 37:10
  I
• 37:10
  mean,
• 37:10
  you
• 37:11
  know,
• 37:11
  imagine
• 37:11
  sitting
• 37:11
  down
• 37:12
  with
• 37:12
  Devin
• 37:13
  Olson
• 37:13
  or
• 37:13
  Lance
• 37:13
  Egan
• 37:14
  and
• 37:14
  you
• 37:15
  have
• 37:15
  them
• 37:15
  on
• 37:15
  a
• 37:16
  zoom
• 37:16
  call
• 37:16
  for
• 37:16
  an
• 37:17
  hour
• 37:17
  and
• 37:17
  a
• 37:17
  half
• 37:18
  and
• 37:18
  it's
• 37:18
  like
• 37:18
  a
• 37:19
  master
• 37:19
  class.
• 37:19
  You
• 37:19
  can
• 37:20
  ask
• 37:20
  them
• 37:20
  anything
• 37:20
  you
• 37:20
  want,
• 37:21
  but
• 37:21
  you,
• 37:21
  you
• 37:21
  don't
• 37:22
  want
• 37:22
  to
• 37:22
  be
• 37:22
  too
• 37:22
  off
• 37:22
  task.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:23
  you
• 37:23
  know,
• 37:23
  I
• 37:24
  was
• 37:24
  doing
• 37:24
  my
• 37:24
  best.
• 37:24
  Kind
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  like
• 37:25
  you
• 37:25
  are
• 37:25
  in
• 37:25
  these,
• 37:26
  in
• 37:26
  these
• 37:26
  podcasts
• 37:27
  where
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  have
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  ask
• 37:28
  a
• 37:28
  really
• 37:29
  targeted
• 37:29
  question
• 37:30
  and
• 37:30
  then
• 37:30
  just
• 37:30
  let
• 37:31
  them
• 37:31
  talk
• 37:32
  and
• 37:32
  then
• 37:32
  really,
• 37:33
  you
• 37:33
  have
• 37:33
  to
• 37:33
  really
• 37:34
  listen
• 37:34
  because
• 37:35
  at
• 37:35
  times
• 37:35
  I
• 37:36
  kind
• 37:36
  of
• 37:36
  thought
• 37:36
  I
• 37:37
  knew
• 37:37
  what
• 37:37
  they
• 37:37
  were
• 37:37
  going
• 37:37
  to
• 37:38
  say
• 37:38
  and
• 37:39
  they
• 37:39
  didn't.
• 37:39
  And
• 37:40
  they
• 37:40
  would
• 37:40
  say
• 37:40
  something
• 37:40
  and
• 37:41
  if
• 37:41
  you
• 37:41
  weren't
• 37:41
  listening
• 37:41
  well
• 37:42
  and
• 37:42
  you
• 37:42
  would
• 37:42
  ask
• 37:42
  a
• 37:42
  follow
• 37:43
  up
• 37:43
  question,
• 37:43
  I
• 37:43
  would
• 37:44
  kind
• 37:44
  of
• 37:44
  want
• 37:44
  to
• 37:44
  lead
• 37:45
  them
• 37:45
  in
• 37:45
  a
• 37:45
  direction
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  you
• 37:46
  could
• 37:46
  tell
• 37:47
  like,
• 37:47
  like
• 37:48
  sometimes
• 37:48
  my
• 37:48
  question
• 37:49
  didn't
• 37:49
  kind
• 37:49
  of
• 37:49
  match
• 37:50
  up
• 37:50
  with
• 37:50
  the
• 37:50
  direction
• 37:50
  they
• 37:50
  were
• 37:51
  Heading.
• 37:51
  And
• 37:51
  then
• 37:51
  I
• 37:51
  realized,
• 37:51
  like,
• 37:52
  oh,
• 37:52
  shoot,
• 37:53
  what
• 37:53
  I.
• 37:53
  The
• 37:53
  way
• 37:54
  I
• 37:54
  fish
• 37:54
  or
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  way
• 37:54
  I
• 37:55
  tie
• 37:55
  is
• 37:55
  different
• 37:56
  than
• 37:56
  this
• 37:56
  person.
• 37:56
  And
• 37:56
  I
• 37:57
  got
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  figure
• 37:57
  out
• 37:57
  how
• 37:58
  now.
• 37:58
  And
• 37:58
  that
• 37:59
  was.
• 37:59
  That
• 37:59
  was.
• 37:59
  That
• 38:00
  was
• 38:00
  a
• 38:00
  challenge
• 38:00
  on
• 38:00
  itself
• 38:01
  to
• 38:01
  also
• 38:02
  kind
• 38:02
  of
• 38:02
  extract
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  information,
• 38:03
  because
• 38:03
  for
• 38:04
  them,
• 38:04
  for
• 38:04
  somebody
• 38:05
  like
• 38:05
  how,
• 38:05
  you
• 38:06
  know,
• 38:06
  Howard
• 38:06
  Croston,
• 38:07
  he's
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  perfectionist
• 38:07
  in
• 38:08
  so
• 38:08
  many
• 38:08
  different
• 38:08
  areas
• 38:08
  of
• 38:09
  fly
• 38:09
  fishing
• 38:09
  and
• 38:09
  tying,
• 38:10
  that.
• 38:11
  The
• 38:11
  way
• 38:11
  that
• 38:11
  he
• 38:11
  ties
• 38:11
  his
• 38:12
  pheasant
• 38:12
  tail
• 38:12
  is
• 38:13
  completely
• 38:13
  unique
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  the
• 38:14
  way
• 38:14
  I
• 38:14
  tie
• 38:14
  mine.
• 38:15
  So
• 38:15
  I
• 38:15
  couldn't
• 38:15
  make
• 38:15
  an
• 38:16
  assumption
• 38:16
  like,
• 38:16
  oh,
• 38:17
  he
• 38:17
  does
• 38:17
  it
• 38:17
  this
• 38:17
  way.
• 38:18
  This
• 38:18
  is
• 38:18
  how
• 38:18
  he
• 38:18
  ties
• 38:19
  his
• 38:19
  pheasant
• 38:19
  tail
• 38:19
  onto
• 38:19
  the
• 38:20
  hook.
• 38:20
  This
• 38:20
  is
• 38:20
  how
• 38:21
  he
• 38:21
  fishes
• 38:21
  this
• 38:21
  fly.
• 38:22
  I
• 38:22
  had
• 38:22
  to
• 38:22
  really
• 38:23
  pick
• 38:23
  that
• 38:23
  stuff
• 38:23
  apart
• 38:24
  and
• 38:24
  extract
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  information.
• 38:25
  So,
• 38:26
  you
• 38:26
  know,
• 38:26
  there's.
• 38:26
  Those
• 38:27
  Zoom
• 38:27
  calls
• 38:27
  were
• 38:28
  very
• 38:28
  targeted.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:29
  then
• 38:29
  I
• 38:29
  had
• 38:29
  to
• 38:29
  follow
• 38:30
  up
• 38:30
  with
• 38:30
  emails
• 38:30
  afterwards
• 38:31
  to
• 38:31
  say,
• 38:31
  hey,
• 38:31
  this
• 38:31
  is
• 38:32
  what
• 38:32
  you
• 38:32
  said.
• 38:32
  Is
• 38:33
  that
• 38:33
  what
• 38:33
  you
• 38:33
  meant
• 38:33
  or
• 38:33
  was
• 38:33
  it
• 38:34
  something
• 38:34
  else?
• 38:34
  And
• 38:35
  in
• 38:35
  most
• 38:35
  instances,
• 38:36
  whatever
• 38:36
  they
• 38:36
  said
• 38:36
  in
• 38:36
  the
• 38:37
  Zoom
• 38:37
  interview,
• 38:37
  that
• 38:38
  was
• 38:38
  kind
• 38:38
  of
• 38:38
  what
• 38:39
  they.
• 38:39
  What
• 38:39
  they
• 38:39
  intended
• 38:40
  to
• 38:40
  say.
• 38:41
  And
• 38:42
  a
• 38:42
  big
• 38:42
  takeaway
• 38:43
  for
• 38:43
  me
• 38:43
  was
• 38:43
  that,
• 38:44
  you
• 38:44
  know,
• 38:44
  we
• 38:44
  have
• 38:44
  these
• 38:44
  top
• 38:45
  anglers
• 38:45
  in
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  world,
• 38:46
  and,
• 38:46
  you
• 38:46
  know,
• 38:46
  there
• 38:47
  was
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  lot
• 38:47
  of
• 38:48
  just
• 38:48
  conflicting
• 38:49
  information.
• 38:50
  It
• 38:50
  wasn't.
• 38:50
  I
• 38:50
  shouldn't
• 38:51
  say
• 38:51
  conflicting.
• 38:52
  Their
• 38:52
  opinions
• 38:52
  and
• 38:53
  their
• 38:53
  experiences
• 38:54
  led
• 38:54
  them
• 38:54
  down
• 38:54
  different
• 38:55
  paths.
• 38:55
  And
• 38:56
  if
• 38:56
  you
• 38:56
  take
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  fly
• 38:57
  that,
• 38:57
  you
• 38:57
  know,
• 38:57
  we'll
• 38:57
  say
• 38:58
  like
• 38:58
  an
• 38:58
  egg
• 38:58
  fly
• 38:59
  or
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  worm
• 39:00
  or
• 39:00
  a
• 39:00
  mop
• 39:00
  fly,
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  we're
• 39:01
  talking
• 39:01
  about
• 39:01
  junk
• 39:02
  flies
• 39:02
  here,
• 39:02
  but
• 39:03
  there
• 39:03
  were
• 39:03
  some
• 39:03
  anglers
• 39:04
  that.
• 39:04
  That
• 39:04
  was
• 39:05
  like
• 39:05
  a
• 39:05
  top
• 39:05
  one,
• 39:06
  two
• 39:06
  or
• 39:06
  three
• 39:07
  fly,
• 39:07
  first
• 39:08
  fly,
• 39:08
  they
• 39:08
  would
• 39:08
  fish
• 39:08
  in
• 39:09
  a
• 39:09
  competition.
• 39:09
  And
• 39:10
  then
• 39:10
  there's
• 39:10
  other
• 39:10
  anglers
• 39:11
  that
• 39:11
  I.
• 39:11
  That
• 39:11
  I
• 39:11
  interviewed
• 39:12
  for
• 39:12
  this
• 39:12
  book,
• 39:12
  that
• 39:12
  that
• 39:12
  was
• 39:12
  a
• 39:12
  fly
• 39:13
  they
• 39:13
  would
• 39:14
  never
• 39:14
  use.
• 39:14
  And
• 39:14
  they
• 39:14
  believe
• 39:15
  that
• 39:15
  if
• 39:15
  you
• 39:15
  use
• 39:15
  one
• 39:15
  of
• 39:16
  those
• 39:16
  flies,
• 39:16
  it's
• 39:16
  completely
• 39:17
  ruining
• 39:17
  your
• 39:18
  technique
• 39:18
  and
• 39:18
  making
• 39:19
  you
• 39:19
  a
• 39:20
  much
• 39:20
  less
• 39:20
  effective
• 39:21
  angler.
• 39:21
  And
• 39:22
  as.
• 39:22
  As
• 39:23
  the
• 39:23
  editor,
• 39:23
  slash
• 39:24
  author
• 39:24
  of
• 39:24
  this
• 39:24
  book,
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  had
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  make
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  decision,
• 39:26
  like,
• 39:26
  what
• 39:26
  am
• 39:27
  I
• 39:27
  going
• 39:27
  to
• 39:27
  write
• 39:27
  about?
• 39:27
  And,
• 39:28
  you
• 39:28
  know,
• 39:28
  I
• 39:28
  believe
• 39:28
  I
• 39:29
  took
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  right
• 39:29
  path.
• 39:29
  And
• 39:30
  I
• 39:30
  said,
• 39:30
  I'm
• 39:30
  putting
• 39:30
  all
• 39:31
  these
• 39:31
  thoughts
• 39:32
  and
• 39:32
  experiences
• 39:32
  and
• 39:33
  opinions
• 39:33
  in
• 39:33
  there.
• 39:34
  So
• 39:34
  whenever
• 39:34
  you
• 39:34
  read,
• 39:35
  like,
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  section
• 39:35
  on
• 39:35
  worms,
• 39:36
  you're
• 39:36
  going
• 39:37
  to
• 39:37
  hear,
• 39:37
  like,
• 39:37
  some
• 39:37
  people
• 39:38
  who
• 39:38
  say,
• 39:38
  I
• 39:38
  love
• 39:38
  them,
• 39:39
  you
• 39:39
  know,
• 39:39
  I
• 39:39
  can't
• 39:39
  fish
• 39:40
  without
• 39:40
  them.
• 39:40
  And
• 39:40
  you're
• 39:40
  gonna.
• 39:41
  You're
• 39:41
  gonna
• 39:41
  hear
• 39:41
  others
• 39:42
  that
• 39:42
  say,
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  would
• 39:42
  never
• 39:43
  fish
• 39:43
  this.
• 39:43
  And
• 39:43
  whoever
• 39:44
  fishes
• 39:44
  them,
• 39:45
  you're
• 39:45
  less
• 39:45
  of
• 39:45
  an
• 39:45
  angler
• 39:46
  than
• 39:46
  me.
• 39:46
  And
• 39:46
  I.
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  want
• 39:46
  to
• 39:47
  have
• 39:47
  those
• 39:47
  quotes
• 39:47
  in
• 39:47
  there
• 39:47
  because
• 39:48
  those
• 39:49
  were
• 39:49
  the
• 39:49
  quotes
• 39:49
  from
• 39:50
  those
• 39:50
  individuals.
• 39:51
  Yeah,
• 39:51
  it's
• 39:51
  an
• 39:51
  interesting
• 39:52
  thing.
• 39:52
  You
• 39:52
  Know,
• 39:52
  I
• 39:52
  think
• 39:53
  comp
• 39:53
  anglers
• 39:53
  in
• 39:53
  particular,
• 39:54
  they're
• 39:54
  so
• 39:55
  phenomenally
• 39:55
  process
• 39:56
  driven
• 39:57
  that
• 39:57
  they're,
• 39:59
  they're
• 40:00
  really
• 40:00
  like,
• 40:01
  they
• 40:02
  don't
• 40:02
  do
• 40:02
  anything
• 40:02
  accidentally.
• 40:04
  Right.
• 40:04
  So
• 40:05
  if
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  can
• 40:05
  find
• 40:05
  the
• 40:06
  way
• 40:06
  to
• 40:06
  ask
• 40:06
  them
• 40:06
  the
• 40:07
  right
• 40:07
  question,
• 40:07
  you're
• 40:07
  going
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  get
• 40:08
  to
• 40:08
  that
• 40:08
  point.
• 40:08
  But
• 40:08
  it's
• 40:09
  also
• 40:09
  funny
• 40:09
  too
• 40:09
  how,
• 40:11
  you
• 40:11
  know,
• 40:12
  you
• 40:12
  get
• 40:12
  that
• 40:12
  a
• 40:13
  and
• 40:13
  not
• 40:13
  a
• 40:13
  response
• 40:14
  and
• 40:15
  they're
• 40:15
  kind
• 40:15
  of
• 40:15
  both.
• 40:16
  They're
• 40:16
  not
• 40:16
  really
• 40:17
  both
• 40:17
  true,
• 40:17
  but
• 40:17
  they
• 40:17
  both
• 40:18
  work
• 40:18
  for
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  anglers
• 40:19
  that
• 40:19
  are
• 40:19
  fishing
• 40:19
  them,
• 40:20
  right?
• 40:20
  Yep.
• 40:21
  Oh
• 40:21
  yeah.
• 40:22
  Is
• 40:22
  there
• 40:23
  a
• 40:23
  particular
• 40:23
  interview
• 40:24
  or
• 40:24
  tire
• 40:25
  that
• 40:26
  kind
• 40:26
  of
• 40:26
  stands
• 40:26
  out
• 40:27
  in
• 40:27
  your
• 40:27
  memory
• 40:27
  kind
• 40:27
  of
• 40:28
  from
• 40:28
  the
• 40:28
  whole
• 40:28
  process
• 40:28
  of
• 40:29
  writing
• 40:29
  the
• 40:29
  book?
• 40:29
  Oh
• 40:30
  my
• 40:30
  gosh.
• 40:31
  I
• 40:31
  mean,
• 40:31
  there
• 40:31
  were
• 40:31
  so
• 40:32
  many.
• 40:32
  I,
• 40:32
  I
• 40:32
  think,
• 40:33
  you
• 40:33
  know,
• 40:33
  in
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  acknowledgments
• 40:34
  of
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  book
• 40:34
  for,
• 40:34
  for
• 40:35
  your
• 40:35
  listeners
• 40:35
  who
• 40:35
  have
• 40:35
  a
• 40:35
  copy,
• 40:36
  please
• 40:36
  read
• 40:37
  the
• 40:37
  acknowledgments.
• 40:37
  I
• 40:38
  put
• 40:38
  a
• 40:38
  lot
• 40:38
  of
• 40:38
  time,
• 40:38
  I
• 40:38
  probably
• 40:39
  put
• 40:39
  as
• 40:39
  much
• 40:39
  time
• 40:39
  into
• 40:40
  the
• 40:40
  acknowledgments
• 40:40
  as
• 40:40
  I
• 40:41
  did
• 40:41
  into
• 40:41
  some
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  the
• 40:41
  chapters
• 40:42
  because
• 40:42
  there
• 40:43
  are
• 40:43
  so
• 40:43
  many
• 40:43
  people
• 40:43
  I
• 40:43
  wanted
• 40:44
  to
• 40:44
  thank.
• 40:44
  And
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  think
• 40:45
  I,
• 40:46
  I
• 40:46
  remember
• 40:46
  writing
• 40:46
  in
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  acknowledgments
• 40:47
  that
• 40:48
  Lance
• 40:48
  Egan's
• 40:49
  zoom
• 40:50
  call
• 40:50
  was
• 40:50
  a
• 40:50
  master
• 40:50
  class
• 40:51
  in
• 40:51
  fly
• 40:51
  fishing.
• 40:52
  He,
• 40:52
  he
• 40:52
  was
• 40:53
  just
• 40:53
  so
• 40:53
  dialed
• 40:54
  in
• 40:54
  and
• 40:54
  so
• 40:55
  thoughtful
• 40:55
  and
• 40:56
  so
• 40:56
  intentional
• 40:57
  with
• 40:57
  everything
• 40:57
  that
• 40:57
  he
• 40:58
  did
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  it
• 40:58
  was
• 40:58
  a
• 40:58
  true
• 40:59
  masterclass.
• 41:00
  So
• 41:00
  his
• 41:01
  stood
• 41:01
  out
• 41:01
  for
• 41:01
  sure.
• 41:02
  Some
• 41:03
  of
• 41:03
  the
• 41:03
  Europeans
• 41:04
  were
• 41:04
  a
• 41:04
  little
• 41:05
  bit
• 41:05
  more
• 41:05
  difficult
• 41:05
  because
• 41:06
  there
• 41:06
  was
• 41:06
  a
• 41:06
  little
• 41:06
  bit
• 41:06
  of
• 41:06
  a
• 41:06
  language
• 41:07
  barrier.
• 41:07
  So
• 41:08
  a
• 41:08
  lot
• 41:08
  of
• 41:08
  that
• 41:08
  turned
• 41:08
  into
• 41:08
  just
• 41:09
  emails
• 41:09
  back
• 41:10
  and
• 41:10
  forth
• 41:10
  versus
• 41:10
  some
• 41:10
  of
• 41:11
  the
• 41:11
  zoom
• 41:11
  calls.
• 41:12
  But
• 41:12
  for
• 41:12
  sure,
• 41:13
  Lance
• 41:13
  has
• 41:13
  stood
• 41:13
  out.
• 41:14
  I'm
• 41:14
  looking
• 41:14
  over
• 41:14
  my
• 41:14
  list
• 41:15
  right
• 41:15
  now.
• 41:15
  There's
• 41:16
  a
• 41:16
  great
• 41:16
  section
• 41:16
  in
• 41:16
  there
• 41:17
  by
• 41:17
  Tom
• 41:17
  Rosenbauer.
• 41:18
  You
• 41:19
  know,
• 41:19
  I've
• 41:19
  been
• 41:19
  fortunate.
• 41:20
  You
• 41:20
  know,
• 41:20
  I've
• 41:20
  been
• 41:20
  on
• 41:20
  his
• 41:21
  podcast
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  couple
• 41:21
  times.
• 41:22
  I've
• 41:22
  fished
• 41:22
  with
• 41:22
  him.
• 41:22
  We've
• 41:22
  done
• 41:23
  events
• 41:23
  together,
• 41:24
  you
• 41:24
  know,
• 41:24
  so
• 41:24
  we're
• 41:25
  friendly.
• 41:25
  I
• 41:25
  consider
• 41:25
  him
• 41:25
  a
• 41:26
  friend
• 41:26
  and
• 41:27
  you
• 41:27
  know,
• 41:27
  I
• 41:27
  asked
• 41:27
  him
• 41:27
  to
• 41:28
  be
• 41:28
  a
• 41:28
  part
• 41:28
  of
• 41:28
  this.
• 41:28
  And,
• 41:28
  and,
• 41:29
  and
• 41:29
  I
• 41:29
  said,
• 41:29
  I
• 41:30
  know
• 41:30
  you're,
• 41:30
  you
• 41:30
  know,
• 41:30
  €nymphing
• 41:31
  is
• 41:31
  not
• 41:31
  a
• 41:32
  word
• 41:32
  you
• 41:32
  necessarily
• 41:32
  like
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  use,
• 41:33
  but
• 41:33
  I
• 41:34
  still
• 41:34
  want
• 41:34
  your
• 41:34
  take
• 41:34
  on
• 41:35
  this.
• 41:35
  And
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  asked
• 41:36
  him
• 41:36
  for
• 41:37
  a
• 41:37
  little
• 41:37
  write
• 41:37
  up
• 41:37
  and
• 41:37
  he
• 41:38
  did
• 41:38
  a
• 41:38
  great
• 41:38
  job.
• 41:39
  I
• 41:39
  kind
• 41:39
  of
• 41:39
  highlighted
• 41:40
  a
• 41:40
  section,
• 41:40
  you
• 41:41
  know,
• 41:41
  with
• 41:41
  him
• 41:42
  and
• 41:42
  he
• 41:42
  kind
• 41:42
  of
• 41:43
  asked
• 41:43
  the
• 41:43
  question,
• 41:44
  what
• 41:44
  is
• 41:44
  a
• 41:44
  euro
• 41:44
  nymph?
• 41:45
  Does
• 41:45
  it
• 41:45
  have
• 41:45
  to
• 41:45
  be
• 41:45
  this
• 41:46
  super
• 41:46
  skinny
• 41:46
  fly
• 41:47
  that's
• 41:47
  tied
• 41:47
  in
• 41:47
  the
• 41:48
  round
• 41:48
  that
• 41:48
  sinks
• 41:49
  to
• 41:49
  the
• 41:49
  bottom
• 41:49
  in
• 41:49
  a
• 41:49
  hurry,
• 41:50
  like,
• 41:50
  and,
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  he
• 41:51
  kind
• 41:51
  of
• 41:51
  alluded
• 41:52
  to,
• 41:52
  you
• 41:52
  know,
• 41:53
  these
• 41:53
  are
• 41:53
  the
• 41:53
  flies
• 41:53
  that
• 41:54
  I
• 41:54
  fish.
• 41:54
  Are
• 41:54
  they
• 41:54
  Euro
• 41:55
  nymphs?
• 41:55
  Or
• 41:55
  are
• 41:55
  they
• 41:55
  just
• 41:55
  nymphs?
• 41:56
  And
• 41:56
  you
• 41:56
  know,
• 41:57
  if
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  don't
• 41:57
  call
• 41:57
  them
• 41:57
  Euro
• 41:57
  nymphs,
• 41:58
  am
• 41:58
  I
• 41:58
  out
• 41:58
  of
• 41:58
  the
• 41:58
  cool
• 41:58
  kids
• 41:59
  club?
• 41:59
  And
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  thought
• 42:00
  he
• 42:00
  did
• 42:00
  a
• 42:01
  really
• 42:01
  good
• 42:01
  job
• 42:01
  with
• 42:01
  his,
• 42:02
  his
• 42:02
  section
• 42:02
  to
• 42:03
  kind
• 42:03
  of
• 42:03
  illustrate
• 42:04
  that,
• 42:04
  that
• 42:04
  idea
• 42:05
  that,
• 42:05
  you
• 42:05
  know,
• 42:05
  these
• 42:06
  are
• 42:06
  just
• 42:06
  flies.
• 42:07
  And
• 42:07
  then
• 42:07
  probably
• 42:07
  the,
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  last,
• 42:09
  the
• 42:09
  last
• 42:10
  person
• 42:10
  that
• 42:10
  I'll
• 42:10
  mention
• 42:10
  that
• 42:11
  I
• 42:11
  thought
• 42:11
  said
• 42:11
  something
• 42:12
  really
• 42:12
  important
• 42:12
  was
• 42:12
  Lubos
• 42:13
  Rosa
• 42:13
  from
• 42:13
  the
• 42:13
  Czech
• 42:14
  Republic.
• 42:15
  Lubos.
• 42:16
  I
• 42:16
  actually
• 42:16
  finished
• 42:17
  the
• 42:17
  book
• 42:17
  right
• 42:18
  before
• 42:18
  all
• 42:18
  the
• 42:18
  biographies.
• 42:19
  There's,
• 42:19
  that's
• 42:19
  where
• 42:20
  I
• 42:20
  put
• 42:20
  his
• 42:20
  confidence
• 42:20
  flies.
• 42:21
  And
• 42:22
  I
• 42:22
  chose
• 42:22
  to
• 42:22
  put
• 42:23
  his
• 42:23
  last
• 42:24
  because
• 42:24
  his
• 42:25
  first
• 42:25
  words,
• 42:26
  I'm
• 42:26
  going
• 42:26
  to
• 42:26
  mess
• 42:26
  it
• 42:27
  up.
• 42:27
  I
• 42:27
  don't
• 42:27
  have
• 42:27
  it
• 42:27
  in
• 42:27
  front
• 42:28
  of
• 42:28
  me.
• 42:28
  But
• 42:28
  his
• 42:28
  first
• 42:28
  words
• 42:29
  kind
• 42:29
  of
• 42:29
  said
• 42:29
  something
• 42:29
  like,
• 42:30
  you
• 42:30
  know,
• 42:30
  the
• 42:31
  flies
• 42:31
  are
• 42:31
  important,
• 42:32
  but
• 42:32
  it's
• 42:32
  your
• 42:32
  technique
• 42:33
  that
• 42:33
  really
• 42:33
  matters.
• 42:34
  And
• 42:35
  I
• 42:36
  really
• 42:36
  wanted
• 42:36
  to
• 42:36
  reinforce
• 42:37
  that
• 42:37
  at
• 42:37
  the
• 42:37
  end
• 42:37
  of
• 42:38
  the
• 42:38
  book
• 42:38
  to
• 42:38
  say
• 42:38
  like,
• 42:38
  hey,
• 42:39
  this
• 42:39
  is
• 42:39
  a
• 42:39
  book
• 42:39
  on
• 42:39
  flies.
• 42:40
  And
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  know
• 42:40
  the
• 42:40
  word
• 42:41
  flies
• 42:41
  are
• 42:42
  in
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  title,
• 42:42
  but
• 42:43
  you
• 42:43
  know,
• 42:43
  it's
• 42:43
  great
• 42:44
  to
• 42:44
  have
• 42:44
  your
• 42:44
  confidence
• 42:45
  flies.
• 42:45
  But
• 42:45
  no,
• 42:45
  like,
• 42:46
  you
• 42:46
  know,
• 42:46
  this
• 42:47
  is
• 42:47
  just
• 42:47
  here
• 42:47
  to
• 42:48
  help
• 42:48
  you
• 42:48
  catch
• 42:48
  some
• 42:48
  fish.
• 42:49
  And
• 42:49
  if
• 42:49
  you're
• 42:49
  not
• 42:49
  doubting
• 42:50
  on
• 42:50
  your
• 42:50
  technique,
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  fly
• 42:51
  doesn't
• 42:51
  matter.
• 42:52
  And
• 42:52
  I,
• 42:52
  I
• 42:52
  thought
• 42:53
  Lubos
• 42:53
  did
• 42:53
  a
• 42:53
  really
• 42:54
  nice
• 42:54
  job
• 42:54
  of
• 42:54
  saying
• 42:55
  that
• 42:55
  before
• 42:55
  going
• 42:55
  into
• 42:56
  his
• 42:56
  confidence
• 42:56
  flies.
• 42:57
  But
• 42:57
  that
• 42:57
  was
• 42:57
  another
• 42:58
  interview
• 42:58
  that
• 42:58
  stood
• 42:58
  out
• 42:59
  for
• 42:59
  sure.
• 43:00
  Very,
• 43:00
  very
• 43:01
  neat.
• 43:01
  And
• 43:01
  you
• 43:01
  know,
• 43:01
  I
• 43:01
  always
• 43:02
  have
• 43:02
  to
• 43:02
  ask
• 43:02
  authors,
• 43:03
  you
• 43:03
  know,
• 43:04
  you
• 43:04
  know,
• 43:04
  what
• 43:04
  was
• 43:04
  the
• 43:04
  big
• 43:05
  surprise
• 43:05
  or
• 43:05
  kind
• 43:06
  of
• 43:06
  lesson
• 43:06
  you
• 43:06
  learned
• 43:07
  writing
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  second
• 43:07
  book?
• 43:07
  And
• 43:08
  we
• 43:08
  could
• 43:08
  have
• 43:08
  a
• 43:08
  follow
• 43:09
  up
• 43:09
  question.
• 43:09
  Are
• 43:09
  you
• 43:09
  so
• 43:09
  traumatized
• 43:10
  at
• 43:10
  this
• 43:10
  point
• 43:11
  there
• 43:11
  won't
• 43:11
  be
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  third
• 43:11
  one,
• 43:12
  right?
• 43:13
  Well,
• 43:14
  I'll
• 43:14
  answer
• 43:14
  that
• 43:14
  one
• 43:14
  first.
• 43:14
  No,
• 43:15
  I'm
• 43:15
  not
• 43:15
  traumatized.
• 43:16
  I
• 43:16
  enjoyed
• 43:16
  the
• 43:17
  process.
• 43:17
  I
• 43:18
  can't
• 43:18
  say
• 43:18
  my
• 43:18
  family
• 43:19
  did.
• 43:19
  It's
• 43:20
  kind
• 43:20
  of
• 43:20
  like
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  running
• 43:20
  joke
• 43:21
  in
• 43:21
  our
• 43:21
  house
• 43:21
  right
• 43:21
  now
• 43:21
  that
• 43:22
  everything
• 43:22
  has
• 43:22
  kind
• 43:22
  of
• 43:23
  revolves
• 43:23
  around
• 43:23
  fly
• 43:24
  fishing.
• 43:24
  That's
• 43:24
  just,
• 43:24
  you
• 43:25
  know,
• 43:25
  it's
• 43:25
  just
• 43:26
  what
• 43:26
  I
• 43:26
  love
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  do.
• 43:26
  And
• 43:26
  you
• 43:27
  know,
• 43:27
  my
• 43:27
  family
• 43:27
  gets
• 43:28
  drug
• 43:28
  along
• 43:28
  with
• 43:28
  it.
• 43:28
  Luckily
• 43:29
  my
• 43:29
  wife
• 43:29
  does
• 43:30
  too.
• 43:30
  But
• 43:30
  she
• 43:31
  now
• 43:31
  like
• 43:31
  walks
• 43:31
  around
• 43:32
  and
• 43:32
  you
• 43:33
  know,
• 43:34
  first
• 43:34
  comp,
• 43:34
  first
• 43:34
  thoughts
• 43:35
  every
• 43:35
  day
• 43:35
  around
• 43:35
  the
• 43:35
  fly
• 43:36
  fishing.
• 43:36
  That's
• 43:36
  just,
• 43:36
  that's
• 43:37
  what
• 43:37
  I
• 43:37
  think
• 43:37
  about
• 43:37
  all
• 43:37
  day
• 43:37
  long.
• 43:38
  And
• 43:38
  with
• 43:39
  my
• 43:39
  book
• 43:39
  release,
• 43:39
  you
• 43:39
  know,
• 43:40
  that's
• 43:40
  been
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  major
• 43:41
  thing
• 43:41
  in
• 43:41
  our
• 43:41
  house.
• 43:41
  And
• 43:41
  it's
• 43:42
  really
• 43:42
  funny
• 43:42
  because
• 43:43
  she'll
• 43:43
  ask
• 43:43
  me,
• 43:43
  hey,
• 43:43
  what's
• 43:44
  going
• 43:44
  on?
• 43:44
  I'll
• 43:44
  talk,
• 43:45
  talk
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  her
• 43:45
  about
• 43:45
  an
• 43:45
  email
• 43:46
  or,
• 43:46
  you
• 43:46
  know,
• 43:46
  like
• 43:46
  your
• 43:46
  podcast.
• 43:47
  I'm
• 43:47
  like,
• 43:47
  oh,
• 43:47
  I'm
• 43:47
  doing
• 43:47
  Marvin's
• 43:48
  podcast.
• 43:48
  And
• 43:49
  she
• 43:49
  just
• 43:49
  will
• 43:49
  look
• 43:49
  at
• 43:49
  me.
• 43:50
  She'll.
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  won't
• 43:50
  yell,
• 43:51
  but
• 43:51
  she'll
• 43:51
  be
• 43:51
  like
• 43:51
  trout
• 43:52
  and
• 43:53
  feather.
• 43:54
  And
• 43:54
  she
• 43:54
  kind
• 43:54
  of
• 43:54
  announces
• 43:55
  it
• 43:55
  every
• 43:55
  time
• 43:55
  I
• 43:56
  talk
• 43:56
  about
• 43:56
  it.
• 43:56
  So
• 43:57
  that's
• 43:57
  kind
• 43:57
  of
• 43:58
  the
• 43:58
  funny
• 43:58
  thing.
• 43:58
  So
• 43:58
  I.
• 43:58
  I
• 43:59
  tell
• 43:59
  her
• 43:59
  after
• 43:59
  the
• 44:00
  book,
• 44:00
  you
• 44:00
  know,
• 44:00
  I'll
• 44:00
  wait
• 44:01
  at
• 44:01
  least
• 44:01
  a
• 44:01
  minimum
• 44:01
  of
• 44:02
  six
• 44:02
  months
• 44:02
  before
• 44:02
  I
• 44:02
  start
• 44:03
  another
• 44:03
  project.
• 44:03
  So
• 44:04
  the
• 44:05
  short
• 44:05
  answer
• 44:05
  is,
• 44:05
  yeah,
• 44:05
  I'd
• 44:06
  like
• 44:06
  to
• 44:06
  do
• 44:06
  another
• 44:06
  one.
• 44:07
  Don't
• 44:07
  know
• 44:07
  the
• 44:07
  idea
• 44:08
  yet,
• 44:08
  but
• 44:08
  that
• 44:08
  will
• 44:08
  come.
• 44:09
  And
• 44:10
  your
• 44:10
  other
• 44:11
  question,
• 44:11
  was
• 44:11
  it
• 44:11
  takeaways?
• 44:12
  Is
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  how
• 44:12
  you
• 44:12
  kind
• 44:12
  of
• 44:12
  phrased
• 44:13
  it?
• 44:13
  Yeah,
• 44:13
  like
• 44:13
  surprises
• 44:14
  or
• 44:14
  lessons.
• 44:14
  Like,
• 44:15
  you
• 44:15
  know,
• 44:16
  things
• 44:17
  never.
• 44:17
  You
• 44:17
  know,
• 44:17
  it's
• 44:18
  kind
• 44:18
  of
• 44:18
  like
• 44:19
  every
• 44:19
  battle
• 44:20
  plan
• 44:20
  is
• 44:20
  great
• 44:20
  until,
• 44:21
  like,
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  first
• 44:21
  contact
• 44:21
  with
• 44:22
  the
• 44:22
  enemy,
• 44:22
  something
• 44:22
  had
• 44:23
  to
• 44:23
  kind
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  crawl
• 44:23
  out
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  the
• 44:23
  woodwork
• 44:24
  and
• 44:24
  kind
• 44:24
  of
• 44:24
  bite
• 44:24
  you
• 44:25
  during
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  process.
• 44:25
  Right.
• 44:26
  I
• 44:26
  mean,
• 44:27
  I
• 44:27
  think
• 44:27
  I
• 44:27
  mentioned
• 44:28
  this
• 44:28
  at
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  beginning
• 44:28
  with
• 44:28
  Euro
• 44:29
  nymphing.
• 44:29
  That
• 44:29
  was
• 44:29
  that
• 44:29
  there's
• 44:30
  a
• 44:30
  drive
• 44:30
  right
• 44:30
  now
• 44:31
  to
• 44:31
  go
• 44:31
  as
• 44:31
  light
• 44:32
  as
• 44:32
  possible.
• 44:33
  Not
• 44:33
  every
• 44:33
  angler
• 44:34
  that
• 44:34
  I
• 44:34
  interviewed
• 44:35
  is
• 44:35
  going
• 44:35
  as
• 44:35
  light
• 44:35
  as
• 44:36
  possible.
• 44:36
  But
• 44:36
  when
• 44:37
  I
• 44:37
  say
• 44:37
  light,
• 44:37
  I'm
• 44:37
  talking
• 44:37
  about
• 44:38
  light
• 44:39
  rods,
• 44:39
  light
• 44:40
  leaders,
• 44:41
  light
• 44:41
  tippet,
• 44:42
  light
• 44:42
  flies.
• 44:43
  So
• 44:43
  that
• 44:43
  was.
• 44:44
  That
• 44:44
  was
• 44:44
  one
• 44:44
  of
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  huge
• 44:45
  takeaways.
• 44:45
  But
• 44:45
  to
• 44:45
  dial
• 44:46
  it
• 44:46
  in
• 44:46
  even
• 44:46
  more,
• 44:47
  I'll
• 44:47
  start
• 44:47
  with,
• 44:47
  like,
• 44:48
  you
• 44:48
  know,
• 44:48
  the.
• 44:48
  The
• 44:49
  leaders.
• 44:49
  There
• 44:49
  was
• 44:50
  a
• 44:50
  European
• 44:50
  that
• 44:50
  I
• 44:51
  interviewed,
• 44:51
  and
• 44:52
  I
• 44:52
  asked
• 44:52
  a
• 44:53
  lot
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  them,
• 44:53
  like,
• 44:53
  hey,
• 44:53
  can
• 44:53
  you
• 44:53
  tell
• 44:53
  me
• 44:54
  about
• 44:54
  your
• 44:54
  leader
• 44:54
  if
• 44:54
  you
• 44:54
  feel
• 44:55
  comfortable
• 44:55
  sharing
• 44:55
  that?
• 44:56
  Which
• 44:56
  they
• 44:56
  all
• 44:56
  did,
• 44:57
  and
• 44:57
  they
• 44:57
  would
• 44:57
  give
• 44:57
  me
• 44:58
  their
• 44:58
  dimensions
• 44:58
  and
• 44:58
  all
• 44:59
  that
• 44:59
  stuff.
• 44:59
  And,
• 44:59
  you
• 44:59
  know,
• 44:59
  he
• 45:00
  emailed
• 45:00
  me
• 45:00
  his
• 45:00
  dimensions
• 45:01
  and.
• 45:01
  And
• 45:01
  I
• 45:01
  looked
• 45:01
  at
• 45:02
  them
• 45:02
  and
• 45:02
  it
• 45:02
  was
• 45:02
  like
• 45:03
  6x
• 45:03
  or
• 45:04
  something.
• 45:04
  And
• 45:04
  I'm
• 45:04
  like,
• 45:05
  no,
• 45:05
  no,
• 45:05
  no,
• 45:06
  not
• 45:06
  your
• 45:06
  tippet.
• 45:07
  I'm
• 45:07
  looking
• 45:07
  for
• 45:07
  your
• 45:08
  leader.
• 45:08
  You
• 45:08
  know,
• 45:08
  it's
• 45:09
  15ft,
• 45:10
  and,
• 45:10
  you
• 45:10
  know,
• 45:10
  I'm
• 45:10
  doing
• 45:10
  the
• 45:10
  conversions.
• 45:11
  And
• 45:12
  it
• 45:12
  was
• 45:12
  comical
• 45:13
  because
• 45:13
  he
• 45:13
  immediately
• 45:14
  replied
• 45:14
  back.
• 45:14
  And
• 45:14
  he's
• 45:14
  like,
• 45:15
  Tim,
• 45:15
  6x
• 45:16
  is
• 45:16
  my
• 45:17
  leader.
• 45:17
  And
• 45:17
  I'm
• 45:17
  like,
• 45:18
  oh,
• 45:18
  my
• 45:18
  God.
• 45:19
  So
• 45:19
  that
• 45:19
  was
• 45:19
  like,
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  know,
• 45:21
  I
• 45:21
  had
• 45:21
  gone
• 45:21
  down
• 45:21
  at
• 45:22
  the
• 45:22
  time,
• 45:22
  I
• 45:22
  think
• 45:22
  4
• 45:23
  1/2
• 45:23
  x
• 45:23
  was
• 45:23
  my.
• 45:24
  The
• 45:24
  leader
• 45:24
  that
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  was
• 45:24
  fishing.
• 45:25
  That
• 45:25
  was
• 45:25
  my
• 45:25
  micro
• 45:26
  leader,
• 45:26
  or
• 45:26
  my
• 45:26
  micro
• 45:27
  thin
• 45:27
  leader
• 45:27
  or
• 45:28
  whatever
• 45:28
  you
• 45:28
  want
• 45:28
  to
• 45:28
  call
• 45:28
  it.
• 45:29
  And
• 45:29
  then
• 45:29
  I
• 45:29
  realized,
• 45:30
  like,
• 45:30
  these
• 45:30
  anglers,
• 45:31
  they
• 45:31
  are
• 45:31
  going,
• 45:31
  like,
• 45:32
  super,
• 45:33
  super
• 45:33
  thin.
• 45:34
  They
• 45:34
  want,
• 45:34
  you
• 45:34
  know,
• 45:35
  as
• 45:35
  little
• 45:35
  resistance
• 45:36
  as
• 45:36
  possible
• 45:37
  going
• 45:37
  down
• 45:37
  to
• 45:37
  their
• 45:38
  fly.
• 45:38
  But
• 45:38
  then
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  next
• 45:39
  takeaway
• 45:40
  was,
• 45:40
  you
• 45:40
  know,
• 45:40
  as
• 45:41
  I
• 45:41
  kept
• 45:41
  dialing
• 45:42
  down
• 45:42
  with
• 45:42
  these
• 45:42
  anglers,
• 45:44
  they
• 45:44
  would
• 45:44
  talk
• 45:44
  about,
• 45:45
  sure,
• 45:45
  you
• 45:45
  need
• 45:45
  a
• 45:45
  light
• 45:46
  leader,
• 45:46
  but
• 45:46
  then
• 45:46
  you
• 45:46
  better
• 45:47
  have
• 45:47
  a
• 45:47
  rod
• 45:47
  with
• 45:48
  a
• 45:48
  really
• 45:48
  soft
• 45:48
  tip
• 45:49
  that's
• 45:49
  going
• 45:49
  to
• 45:49
  protect
• 45:49
  that
• 45:50
  leader.
• 45:50
  So
• 45:50
  then
• 45:51
  that's
• 45:51
  you
• 45:51
  know,
• 45:51
  now
• 45:52
  you
• 45:52
  have
• 45:52
  the,
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  rod
• 45:53
  junkies
• 45:53
  that
• 45:53
  are
• 45:53
  like,
• 45:53
  all
• 45:53
  right,
• 45:54
  we,
• 45:54
  we
• 45:54
  got
• 45:54
  a
• 45:54
  really,
• 45:55
  you
• 45:55
  know,
• 45:55
  three
• 45:56
  weights,
• 45:56
  Four
• 45:56
  weights
• 45:56
  are
• 45:57
  way
• 45:57
  too
• 45:57
  heavy.
• 45:57
  Now
• 45:58
  we're
• 45:58
  going
• 45:58
  down
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  two
• 45:58
  weights
• 45:59
  and
• 45:59
  less
• 45:59
  than
• 45:59
  that,
• 46:00
  but
• 46:00
  did
• 46:01
  still
• 46:01
  have
• 46:01
  rod
• 46:01
  recovery.
• 46:02
  So
• 46:02
  that
• 46:02
  was
• 46:02
  like
• 46:03
  the
• 46:03
  next
• 46:03
  takeaway
• 46:04
  and
• 46:04
  then
• 46:04
  kind
• 46:04
  of
• 46:04
  the
• 46:05
  final
• 46:05
  one.
• 46:05
  That
• 46:06
  really
• 46:06
  made
• 46:07
  me
• 46:07
  change
• 46:07
  some
• 46:08
  things.
• 46:09
  As
• 46:09
  I.
• 46:10
  We.
• 46:10
  We
• 46:10
  talked
• 46:10
  about
• 46:10
  flies,
• 46:11
  I
• 46:11
  would
• 46:11
  always
• 46:11
  ask
• 46:11
  them,
• 46:12
  what
• 46:12
  are
• 46:12
  your
• 46:12
  favorite
• 46:12
  hooks?
• 46:13
  And
• 46:13
  you
• 46:14
  know,
• 46:14
  a
• 46:14
  lot
• 46:14
  of
• 46:14
  them,
• 46:14
  they
• 46:15
  like
• 46:15
  jig
• 46:15
  hooks.
• 46:16
  You
• 46:16
  know,
• 46:16
  I
• 46:16
  interviewed
• 46:16
  Frontahonic
• 46:17
  of
• 46:17
  Hanic
• 46:17
  competition,
• 46:18
  which
• 46:18
  he
• 46:18
  told
• 46:19
  me,
• 46:19
  you
• 46:19
  know,
• 46:19
  his
• 46:19
  number
• 46:20
  one
• 46:20
  selling
• 46:20
  hook
• 46:20
  right
• 46:21
  now
• 46:21
  is
• 46:21
  the,
• 46:22
  the
• 46:22
  H450BL.
• 46:23
  Yeah,
• 46:24
  it's
• 46:24
  a,
• 46:24
  you
• 46:24
  know,
• 46:24
  it's
• 46:24
  a
• 46:24
  downeye
• 46:25
  jig
• 46:25
  hook.
• 46:26
  And
• 46:26
  so
• 46:26
  I
• 46:27
  just,
• 46:27
  I
• 46:27
  don't
• 46:27
  want
• 46:27
  to
• 46:27
  say
• 46:27
  I
• 46:28
  made
• 46:28
  the
• 46:28
  assumption.
• 46:28
  I
• 46:28
  just.
• 46:29
  The
• 46:29
  first
• 46:29
  few
• 46:30
  anglers
• 46:30
  talked
• 46:30
  a
• 46:30
  lot
• 46:30
  about
• 46:31
  jig
• 46:31
  hooks.
• 46:32
  Then,
• 46:32
  like,
• 46:33
  I
• 46:33
  got
• 46:33
  an
• 46:33
  angler
• 46:33
  who
• 46:34
  talked
• 46:34
  about,
• 46:34
  you
• 46:34
  know,
• 46:34
  pretty
• 46:34
  much
• 46:35
  all
• 46:35
  they're
• 46:35
  using
• 46:35
  now
• 46:35
  is
• 46:36
  this
• 46:36
  downeye
• 46:36
  dry
• 46:37
  fly
• 46:37
  hook
• 46:37
  and
• 46:37
  the
• 46:38
  next
• 46:38
  angler,
• 46:38
  this
• 46:38
  dry
• 46:39
  fly
• 46:39
  hook,
• 46:39
  and
• 46:39
  the
• 46:40
  next
• 46:40
  angler
• 46:40
  like
• 46:40
  this
• 46:40
  fully
• 46:41
  mill
• 46:41
  dry
• 46:41
  fly
• 46:41
  hook.
• 46:42
  And
• 46:42
  I'm
• 46:43
  like,
• 46:43
  oh,
• 46:43
  wait
• 46:43
  a
• 46:43
  second,
• 46:44
  like,
• 46:44
  what's
• 46:44
  going
• 46:44
  on
• 46:45
  here?
• 46:45
  And
• 46:45
  then
• 46:45
  I
• 46:46
  realized,
• 46:46
  I
• 46:46
  started
• 46:46
  connecting
• 46:47
  the
• 46:47
  dots.
• 46:47
  And
• 46:47
  it's
• 46:47
  like
• 46:48
  you
• 46:48
  have
• 46:48
  this
• 46:49
  really
• 46:49
  flexible
• 46:49
  tip
• 46:50
  for
• 46:50
  your
• 46:50
  rod.
• 46:50
  You
• 46:50
  have
• 46:50
  a
• 46:50
  light
• 46:51
  leader,
• 46:51
  light
• 46:51
  tippet.
• 46:52
  You
• 46:52
  don't
• 46:53
  want
• 46:53
  to
• 46:53
  be
• 46:53
  fishing
• 46:53
  like
• 46:54
  a
• 46:54
  heavy
• 46:54
  wire
• 46:55
  nymph
• 46:55
  hook.
• 46:55
  You
• 46:56
  have
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  pair
• 46:56
  your
• 46:57
  equipment
• 46:57
  with
• 46:57
  your
• 46:58
  hook.
• 46:58
  And
• 46:58
  that
• 46:58
  hook
• 46:58
  is
• 46:59
  a
• 46:59
  lightwire
• 47:00
  dry
• 47:00
  fly
• 47:00
  hook.
• 47:01
  And
• 47:01
  what
• 47:01
  these
• 47:02
  top
• 47:02
  anglers
• 47:02
  were
• 47:02
  doing
• 47:03
  is,
• 47:03
  you
• 47:03
  know,
• 47:03
  still
• 47:04
  fishing
• 47:04
  slotted
• 47:04
  tungsten
• 47:05
  beads
• 47:05
  on
• 47:05
  a
• 47:06
  downeye
• 47:06
  dry
• 47:06
  fly
• 47:07
  hook.
• 47:07
  And
• 47:07
  they
• 47:07
  would
• 47:08
  invert
• 47:08
  them
• 47:08
  in.
• 47:08
  In
• 47:08
  a
• 47:09
  manner
• 47:09
  that
• 47:09
  then
• 47:09
  that
• 47:10
  that
• 47:10
  hook
• 47:10
  would
• 47:11
  ride
• 47:11
  or
• 47:11
  have
• 47:11
  a
• 47:11
  tendency
• 47:12
  to
• 47:12
  ride
• 47:12
  hook
• 47:12
  point
• 47:13
  up
• 47:13
  as
• 47:13
  well.
• 47:14
  So
• 47:14
  I
• 47:14
  was
• 47:15
  like,
• 47:15
  oh,
• 47:15
  shoot.
• 47:15
  Like,
• 47:16
  I
• 47:16
  had
• 47:16
  more
• 47:17
  of
• 47:17
  the
• 47:17
  flies
• 47:17
  originally
• 47:17
  being
• 47:18
  tied
• 47:18
  on,
• 47:19
  on
• 47:19
  jig
• 47:19
  hooks.
• 47:19
  And
• 47:19
  I'm
• 47:20
  like,
• 47:20
  well,
• 47:20
  scrap
• 47:20
  that
• 47:21
  now.
• 47:21
  I
• 47:21
  had
• 47:21
  to
• 47:22
  cut
• 47:22
  some
• 47:22
  photography
• 47:22
  and
• 47:23
  now
• 47:23
  I'm
• 47:23
  starting.
• 47:24
  I
• 47:24
  put
• 47:24
  a,
• 47:24
  you
• 47:24
  know,
• 47:24
  a
• 47:25
  portion
• 47:25
  of
• 47:25
  them
• 47:25
  on,
• 47:26
  you
• 47:26
  know,
• 47:26
  down
• 47:26
  eye
• 47:26
  dry
• 47:27
  fly
• 47:27
  hooks.
• 47:28
  But
• 47:28
  I
• 47:28
  had
• 47:28
  to
• 47:28
  be
• 47:28
  careful
• 47:29
  because
• 47:29
  these
• 47:29
  are
• 47:30
  also
• 47:30
  competition
• 47:31
  anglers
• 47:31
  and
• 47:31
  their
• 47:32
  goal
• 47:32
  is
• 47:32
  to
• 47:32
  catch,
• 47:33
  you
• 47:33
  know,
• 47:33
  as
• 47:33
  many
• 47:33
  fish
• 47:33
  as
• 47:34
  they
• 47:34
  can
• 47:34
  in
• 47:34
  a
• 47:34
  session.
• 47:35
  And
• 47:35
  fortunately,
• 47:36
  I,
• 47:36
  I
• 47:36
  still
• 47:36
  interviewed
• 47:37
  other
• 47:37
  people
• 47:38
  that
• 47:38
  were,
• 47:38
  you
• 47:38
  know,
• 47:38
  they
• 47:39
  were
• 47:39
  still
• 47:39
  in
• 47:39
  competitions,
• 47:40
  but
• 47:40
  they
• 47:40
  looked
• 47:40
  at
• 47:40
  it
• 47:40
  from
• 47:41
  other
• 47:41
  perspectives.
• 47:42
  There
• 47:42
  was
• 47:42
  one
• 47:43
  individual,
• 47:43
  Ollie
• 47:43
  Bassett,
• 47:45
  I
• 47:45
  believe
• 47:45
  he
• 47:45
  was
• 47:46
  from,
• 47:46
  I
• 47:47
  believe,
• 47:47
  New
• 47:47
  Zealand.
• 47:48
  And
• 47:48
  I'm
• 47:49
  like,
• 47:49
  oh,
• 47:49
  so
• 47:49
  are
• 47:49
  you
• 47:50
  using
• 47:50
  dry
• 47:50
  fly
• 47:50
  hooks?
• 47:50
  And
• 47:51
  he's
• 47:51
  like,
• 47:51
  well,
• 47:51
  If
• 47:51
  I'm
• 47:51
  in
• 47:51
  Spain,
• 47:52
  yes.
• 47:53
  But
• 47:53
  if
• 47:53
  I'm
• 47:53
  targeting
• 47:54
  like
• 47:54
  a
• 47:54
  24
• 47:54
  inch
• 47:55
  fish
• 47:55
  in
• 47:55
  the
• 47:55
  back
• 47:55
  country
• 47:55
  of
• 47:56
  New
• 47:56
  Zealand
• 47:56
  like
• 47:56
  that,
• 47:57
  that
• 47:57
  hook's
• 47:57
  gonna
• 47:57
  be.
• 47:58
  It's
• 47:58
  gonna
• 47:58
  be
• 47:58
  torn
• 47:58
  apart.
• 47:59
  Like
• 47:59
  they're
• 47:59
  just
• 47:59
  gonna
• 47:59
  bend
• 48:00
  it.
• 48:00
  I'm
• 48:00
  gonna
• 48:00
  lose
• 48:00
  the
• 48:00
  fish.
• 48:01
  So,
• 48:01
  you
• 48:02
  know,
• 48:02
  it
• 48:02
  also
• 48:02
  brought
• 48:03
  back
• 48:03
  that
• 48:03
  reality,
• 48:03
  like
• 48:04
  I
• 48:04
  can't
• 48:04
  tie
• 48:05
  every
• 48:05
  single
• 48:05
  one
• 48:05
  of
• 48:05
  these
• 48:06
  flies
• 48:06
  on
• 48:06
  that
• 48:06
  style
• 48:07
  hook
• 48:07
  because
• 48:07
  that's
• 48:08
  not
• 48:08
  what
• 48:08
  the
• 48:08
  average
• 48:08
  angler
• 48:09
  is
• 48:09
  about,
• 48:09
  you
• 48:10
  know,
• 48:10
  here
• 48:10
  as
• 48:10
  well.
• 48:11
  So
• 48:11
  I
• 48:11
  had
• 48:11
  to
• 48:11
  kind
• 48:12
  of
• 48:12
  drive
• 48:12
  down
• 48:13
  that
• 48:13
  pathway.
• 48:13
  Too
• 48:14
  neat.
• 48:15
  And,
• 48:15
  you
• 48:15
  know,
• 48:15
  for
• 48:16
  folks
• 48:16
  that
• 48:16
  haven't
• 48:17
  been
• 48:17
  able
• 48:17
  to
• 48:17
  put
• 48:17
  their
• 48:17
  hands
• 48:18
  on
• 48:18
  the
• 48:18
  book
• 48:18
  yet,
• 48:18
  you
• 48:18
  want
• 48:19
  to
• 48:19
  kind
• 48:19
  of
• 48:19
  give
• 48:19
  us
• 48:19
  the
• 48:20
  kind
• 48:20
  of
• 48:21
  30,000
• 48:21
  foot
• 48:22
  kind
• 48:22
  of
• 48:22
  overlay
• 48:22
  of
• 48:23
  kind
• 48:23
  of
• 48:23
  the
• 48:23
  chapters
• 48:24
  and
• 48:24
  kind
• 48:24
  of
• 48:24
  the
• 48:24
  lay
• 48:25
  of
• 48:25
  the
• 48:25
  land.
• 48:25
  Yeah,
• 48:26
  I
• 48:26
  mean,
• 48:27
  listen,
• 48:27
  I'm
• 48:27
  proud
• 48:27
  of
• 48:27
  this.
• 48:27
  I
• 48:28
  won't,
• 48:28
  I'll
• 48:28
  be,
• 48:28
  I'll
• 48:28
  be
• 48:28
  honest
• 48:29
  with
• 48:29
  you.
• 48:29
  And
• 48:29
  I
• 48:29
  have,
• 48:29
  I
• 48:29
  do
• 48:30
  have
• 48:30
  a
• 48:30
  copy
• 48:30
  here.
• 48:31
  I'll
• 48:31
  kind
• 48:31
  of
• 48:31
  just
• 48:32
  talk
• 48:32
  briefly
• 48:32
  through
• 48:33
  the
• 48:33
  chapters.
• 48:33
  Let
• 48:34
  me
• 48:34
  see
• 48:34
  if
• 48:34
  I
• 48:34
  can
• 48:34
  open
• 48:34
  it
• 48:34
  up.
• 48:36
  I
• 48:37
  love
• 48:37
  seeing
• 48:37
  the
• 48:37
  pictures.
• 48:38
  I
• 48:38
  start
• 48:38
  off,
• 48:39
  chapter
• 48:39
  one
• 48:39
  is
• 48:39
  just
• 48:39
  European
• 48:40
  nymphing.
• 48:41
  So
• 48:41
  we
• 48:41
  get
• 48:41
  into,
• 48:42
  you
• 48:42
  know,
• 48:42
  what
• 48:42
  is
• 48:42
  European
• 48:43
  nymphing?
• 48:44
  You
• 48:44
  know,
• 48:44
  what
• 48:45
  are
• 48:45
  some
• 48:45
  of
• 48:45
  the
• 48:45
  tools
• 48:45
  that
• 48:45
  you
• 48:46
  use?
• 48:46
  The
• 48:46
  rods,
• 48:47
  the
• 48:47
  reels,
• 48:48
  the
• 48:48
  leaders,
• 48:49
  the
• 48:49
  lines.
• 48:50
  Just
• 48:50
  an
• 48:50
  overview
• 48:51
  of
• 48:51
  that
• 48:52
  then.
• 48:52
  And
• 48:52
  that's
• 48:52
  a
• 48:52
  pretty,
• 48:53
  you
• 48:53
  know,
• 48:53
  I
• 48:53
  don't
• 48:53
  want
• 48:53
  to
• 48:53
  say
• 48:53
  a
• 48:53
  long
• 48:54
  chapter.
• 48:54
  It's
• 48:54
  about,
• 48:54
  you
• 48:55
  know,
• 48:55
  16
• 48:55
  pages
• 48:56
  somewhere
• 48:56
  around
• 48:56
  there.
• 48:56
  It's
• 48:57
  a
• 48:57
  bigger
• 48:57
  book.
• 48:57
  I'm
• 48:57
  not
• 48:57
  sure
• 48:57
  if
• 48:58
  you
• 48:58
  realize
• 48:58
  that
• 48:58
  it's
• 48:58
  like
• 48:58
  a
• 48:59
  three
• 48:59
  pound
• 48:59
  book.
• 48:59
  So
• 48:59
  it's.
• 49:00
  This
• 49:00
  is
• 49:00
  a
• 49:00
  bigger
• 49:00
  book.
• 49:01
  Then
• 49:01
  in
• 49:01
  chapter
• 49:02
  two,
• 49:02
  I
• 49:02
  get,
• 49:02
  I
• 49:02
  dial
• 49:03
  into
• 49:03
  just
• 49:03
  Euro
• 49:04
  nymphs.
• 49:05
  What
• 49:05
  are
• 49:05
  Euro
• 49:05
  nymphs?
• 49:06
  What
• 49:06
  are
• 49:07
  the
• 49:07
  materials
• 49:07
  being
• 49:07
  used
• 49:08
  today
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  tie
• 49:08
  them?
• 49:09
  That's
• 49:09
  a
• 49:10
  longer
• 49:11
  chapter
• 49:11
  where
• 49:11
  we
• 49:11
  really
• 49:12
  get
• 49:12
  into
• 49:12
  kind
• 49:13
  of
• 49:13
  the
• 49:13
  niche
• 49:13
  down
• 49:13
  process
• 49:14
  where
• 49:14
  we
• 49:14
  get
• 49:14
  into.
• 49:15
  If
• 49:15
  you
• 49:15
  are
• 49:15
  fishing
• 49:16
  dry
• 49:16
  fly
• 49:16
  hooks,
• 49:17
  how
• 49:17
  are
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  going
• 49:17
  to
• 49:17
  pair
• 49:17
  rods
• 49:18
  to
• 49:18
  them?
• 49:18
  What
• 49:19
  are
• 49:19
  some
• 49:19
  of
• 49:19
  the
• 49:19
  best
• 49:20
  bead
• 49:20
  colors
• 49:20
  out
• 49:21
  there?
• 49:21
  When
• 49:21
  are
• 49:21
  these
• 49:21
  anglers
• 49:22
  using
• 49:22
  that
• 49:23
  color
• 49:23
  bead
• 49:23
  over
• 49:23
  a
• 49:23
  different
• 49:24
  color?
• 49:24
  Just,
• 49:24
  you
• 49:25
  know,
• 49:25
  stuff
• 49:25
  you
• 49:25
  can
• 49:25
  nerd
• 49:26
  out
• 49:26
  on
• 49:26
  if
• 49:26
  you're
• 49:26
  really
• 49:27
  into
• 49:27
  that.
• 49:28
  After
• 49:28
  that,
• 49:28
  then
• 49:29
  I
• 49:29
  said,
• 49:29
  all
• 49:29
  right,
• 49:29
  we
• 49:30
  have
• 49:30
  to
• 49:30
  get
• 49:30
  into
• 49:31
  the
• 49:31
  actual
• 49:31
  fly.
• 49:32
  So
• 49:32
  there
• 49:32
  was
• 49:32
  just
• 49:32
  a
• 49:32
  brief
• 49:33
  overview
• 49:33
  of
• 49:33
  the
• 49:34
  flies
• 49:34
  and
• 49:35
  then
• 49:35
  I
• 49:35
  broke
• 49:35
  it
• 49:36
  into
• 49:36
  a
• 49:36
  couple
• 49:36
  different
• 49:37
  sections.
• 49:37
  And
• 49:37
  I'll.
• 49:38
  I'll
• 49:38
  pay
• 49:38
  homage
• 49:39
  to
• 49:39
  Devin
• 49:39
  Olsen
• 49:39
  here
• 49:40
  because
• 49:40
  when
• 49:41
  he
• 49:41
  was
• 49:41
  talking
• 49:41
  about
• 49:41
  his
• 49:42
  fly
• 49:42
  box
• 49:42
  and
• 49:42
  how
• 49:42
  he
• 49:43
  sets
• 49:43
  it
• 49:43
  up,
• 49:44
  he,
• 49:44
  he
• 49:44
  and
• 49:45
  I
• 49:45
  had
• 49:45
  done
• 49:45
  previous
• 49:45
  videos
• 49:46
  together
• 49:46
  and
• 49:46
  he
• 49:46
  talked
• 49:47
  about
• 49:47
  this,
• 49:47
  his
• 49:47
  system
• 49:48
  and
• 49:48
  his
• 49:48
  format,
• 49:49
  and
• 49:49
  it
• 49:49
  made
• 49:49
  sense
• 49:50
  to
• 49:50
  me.
• 49:50
  And
• 49:50
  I
• 49:50
  broke
• 49:51
  my
• 49:51
  chapters
• 49:51
  based
• 49:51
  on
• 49:52
  his
• 49:52
  system
• 49:52
  where
• 49:53
  I
• 49:53
  have
• 49:53
  an
• 49:53
  entire
• 49:53
  chapter
• 49:54
  dedicated
• 49:54
  to
• 49:54
  paragons.
• 49:56
  And
• 49:56
  like,
• 49:57
  paragons
• 49:57
  are
• 49:57
  very
• 49:58
  slender
• 49:58
  flies.
• 49:59
  They,
• 49:59
  they
• 49:59
  sink
• 50:00
  like
• 50:00
  a
• 50:00
  pellet
• 50:01
  and
• 50:02
  they're
• 50:02
  just
• 50:03
  a
• 50:03
  highly
• 50:03
  effective
• 50:04
  fly.
• 50:04
  Originally
• 50:05
  I
• 50:05
  was
• 50:05
  using
• 50:05
  paragons
• 50:06
  and
• 50:06
  fishing
• 50:06
  with
• 50:06
  them
• 50:07
  in
• 50:07
  really
• 50:07
  fast
• 50:07
  water.
• 50:08
  But
• 50:08
  after
• 50:08
  talking
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  these
• 50:08
  anglers,
• 50:09
  like,
• 50:09
  they're
• 50:10
  using
• 50:10
  really
• 50:11
  small
• 50:11
  paragons
• 50:12
  in
• 50:12
  slower
• 50:12
  moving
• 50:13
  water
• 50:13
  as
• 50:13
  well.
• 50:14
  So
• 50:14
  I,
• 50:14
  I
• 50:14
  dedicated
• 50:15
  an
• 50:15
  entire
• 50:15
  chapter
• 50:16
  to
• 50:16
  the
• 50:16
  fastest
• 50:17
  sinking
• 50:17
  fly.
• 50:18
  Then
• 50:18
  the
• 50:18
  next
• 50:18
  chapter
• 50:19
  is
• 50:19
  on
• 50:19
  nymphs
• 50:20
  with
• 50:20
  dubbing
• 50:20
  and
• 50:20
  soft
• 50:20
  tackle.
• 50:21
  So
• 50:21
  these
• 50:21
  are
• 50:21
  flies
• 50:22
  that
• 50:22
  have
• 50:22
  a
• 50:22
  little
• 50:22
  bit
• 50:22
  more
• 50:23
  material
• 50:23
  that
• 50:24
  will
• 50:24
  just
• 50:24
  slow
• 50:25
  their
• 50:25
  sink
• 50:25
  rate
• 50:26
  a
• 50:26
  little
• 50:26
  bit.
• 50:26
  So
• 50:26
  we
• 50:26
  have
• 50:27
  paragons
• 50:27
  really
• 50:27
  fast.
• 50:28
  Now
• 50:28
  we,
• 50:28
  we
• 50:29
  bring
• 50:29
  in
• 50:29
  flies
• 50:29
  like
• 50:29
  the
• 50:30
  waltz
• 50:30
  worm,
• 50:30
  the
• 50:30
  pheasant
• 50:31
  tail,
• 50:31
  you
• 50:31
  know,
• 50:32
  flies
• 50:32
  that
• 50:32
  are
• 50:32
  going
• 50:33
  to
• 50:33
  sink
• 50:33
  just
• 50:33
  a
• 50:33
  little
• 50:34
  bit
• 50:34
  slower.
• 50:34
  I
• 50:35
  think
• 50:35
  one
• 50:35
  of
• 50:35
  my
• 50:35
  favorites,
• 50:36
  the
• 50:36
  France
• 50:36
  flies
• 50:36
  listed
• 50:37
  in
• 50:37
  that
• 50:37
  section.
• 50:38
  Then
• 50:38
  I
• 50:39
  got
• 50:39
  into
• 50:39
  something
• 50:39
  called
• 50:40
  slow
• 50:40
  sinkers.
• 50:41
  And
• 50:41
  this
• 50:41
  is
• 50:41
  kind
• 50:41
  of
• 50:42
  like
• 50:42
  junk
• 50:42
  flies,
• 50:42
  you
• 50:43
  know,
• 50:43
  the
• 50:43
  mops,
• 50:43
  the
• 50:43
  worms,
• 50:44
  the
• 50:44
  eggs,
• 50:44
  that
• 50:45
  type
• 50:45
  of
• 50:45
  stuff.
• 50:45
  And
• 50:45
  we
• 50:45
  talk
• 50:46
  about
• 50:46
  why
• 50:46
  are
• 50:47
  they
• 50:47
  such
• 50:47
  slow
• 50:47
  sinkers?
• 50:48
  What's
• 50:48
  that
• 50:49
  mean?
• 50:49
  Why
• 50:50
  is
• 50:50
  that
• 50:50
  a
• 50:50
  good
• 50:50
  thing?
• 50:51
  How
• 50:51
  can
• 50:51
  you
• 50:51
  use
• 50:51
  that
• 50:51
  to
• 50:52
  an
• 50:52
  advantage?
• 50:53
  Like,
• 50:53
  for
• 50:53
  instance,
• 50:53
  a
• 50:53
  lot
• 50:53
  of
• 50:54
  people
• 50:54
  know
• 50:54
  that
• 50:54
  the
• 50:55
  mop
• 50:55
  fly,
• 50:55
  it
• 50:56
  takes
• 50:56
  a
• 50:56
  long
• 50:56
  time
• 50:57
  to
• 50:57
  get
• 50:57
  to
• 50:57
  the
• 50:57
  bottom.
• 50:57
  It's
• 50:58
  just
• 50:58
  a
• 50:58
  weird
• 50:58
  sinking
• 50:59
  fly.
• 51:00
  But
• 51:00
  I
• 51:00
  talk
• 51:00
  about
• 51:01
  how
• 51:01
  you
• 51:01
  can
• 51:01
  use
• 51:01
  that
• 51:02
  to
• 51:02
  your
• 51:02
  advantage
• 51:02
  on
• 51:02
  a
• 51:02
  windy
• 51:03
  day,
• 51:03
  because
• 51:03
  if
• 51:03
  it
• 51:03
  takes
• 51:04
  a
• 51:04
  long
• 51:04
  time
• 51:04
  to
• 51:04
  get
• 51:04
  to
• 51:04
  the
• 51:05
  bottom,
• 51:05
  once
• 51:06
  it's
• 51:06
  there,
• 51:06
  it
• 51:07
  takes
• 51:07
  a
• 51:07
  long
• 51:07
  time
• 51:07
  to
• 51:07
  get
• 51:08
  back
• 51:08
  up.
• 51:08
  So,
• 51:09
  you
• 51:09
  know,
• 51:09
  I
• 51:09
  just
• 51:09
  kind
• 51:09
  of
• 51:09
  break
• 51:10
  apart
• 51:10
  those
• 51:10
  sections,
• 51:11
  especially
• 51:11
  like
• 51:12
  why
• 51:12
  you
• 51:12
  would
• 51:13
  select
• 51:13
  this
• 51:13
  fly
• 51:13
  when
• 51:13
  you're
• 51:14
  fishing
• 51:14
  and
• 51:14
  how
• 51:14
  to
• 51:14
  fish
• 51:15
  with
• 51:15
  it.
• 51:16
  And
• 51:16
  then
• 51:16
  I
• 51:16
  realized
• 51:17
  that
• 51:18
  a
• 51:18
  lot
• 51:18
  of
• 51:18
  these
• 51:18
  anglers,
• 51:19
  especially
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  competition
• 51:20
  anglers,
• 51:21
  it's
• 51:21
  not
• 51:21
  just
• 51:21
  about
• 51:21
  the
• 51:22
  nymphs.
• 51:22
  They
• 51:22
  also
• 51:22
  fish
• 51:23
  streamers
• 51:23
  and
• 51:23
  dry
• 51:24
  flies.
• 51:24
  So
• 51:25
  the
• 51:25
  last
• 51:25
  two
• 51:25
  chapters
• 51:26
  are
• 51:26
  about
• 51:26
  streamers
• 51:26
  and
• 51:26
  dry
• 51:27
  flies
• 51:27
  where
• 51:27
  I
• 51:28
  mentioned,
• 51:29
  you
• 51:29
  know,
• 51:29
  for
• 51:29
  the
• 51:29
  streamers,
• 51:30
  a
• 51:30
  super
• 51:30
  quick
• 51:31
  bugger.
• 51:31
  I
• 51:31
  mean,
• 51:32
  the
• 51:32
  woolly
• 51:32
  bugger
• 51:32
  is
• 51:32
  a
• 51:32
  fly
• 51:33
  that's
• 51:33
  just
• 51:33
  caught
• 51:33
  fish
• 51:34
  for
• 51:34
  everybody
• 51:35
  around
• 51:35
  the
• 51:35
  world.
• 51:35
  And
• 51:36
  I
• 51:36
  give
• 51:36
  a
• 51:36
  nice,
• 51:37
  I
• 51:37
  don't
• 51:37
  want
• 51:37
  to
• 51:37
  call
• 51:37
  it
• 51:37
  a,
• 51:38
  a
• 51:38
  dialed
• 51:39
  down
• 51:39
  version
• 51:39
  of
• 51:39
  the
• 51:39
  bugger,
• 51:40
  but
• 51:40
  a
• 51:40
  fly
• 51:41
  that,
• 51:41
  you
• 51:41
  know,
• 51:41
  that
• 51:42
  I
• 51:42
  use,
• 51:42
  that
• 51:42
  many
• 51:42
  of
• 51:42
  these
• 51:43
  anglers
• 51:43
  use,
• 51:43
  it
• 51:43
  just
• 51:44
  catches
• 51:44
  fish
• 51:44
  everywhere.
• 51:45
  I
• 51:45
  mean,
• 51:45
  some
• 51:45
  of
• 51:45
  my
• 51:46
  largest
• 51:46
  brown
• 51:46
  trout
• 51:47
  this
• 51:47
  summer,
• 51:47
  some
• 51:48
  in
• 51:48
  Iceland,
• 51:48
  were
• 51:48
  caught
• 51:48
  on
• 51:49
  this
• 51:49
  fly.
• 51:49
  So,
• 51:49
  you
• 51:50
  know,
• 51:50
  I,
• 51:50
  I
• 51:50
  share
• 51:50
  a
• 51:51
  number
• 51:51
  of
• 51:51
  patterns
• 51:51
  There,
• 51:51
  I
• 51:51
  think
• 51:52
  I
• 51:52
  share
• 51:52
  two
• 51:53
  flies
• 51:53
  in,
• 51:53
  in
• 51:54
  their
• 51:54
  entirety,
• 51:54
  two
• 51:54
  streamers
• 51:55
  and
• 51:55
  two
• 51:55
  variations
• 51:56
  of
• 51:56
  those
• 51:56
  streamers.
• 51:56
  So
• 51:57
  four
• 51:57
  streamers.
• 51:58
  And
• 51:58
  then
• 51:59
  the
• 51:59
  last
• 51:59
  chapter
• 51:59
  is
• 51:59
  on
• 51:59
  dry
• 52:00
  flies,
• 52:01
  because
• 52:02
  so
• 52:02
  many
• 52:02
  of
• 52:02
  these
• 52:02
  anglers
• 52:03
  use
• 52:03
  a
• 52:03
  setup
• 52:03
  called
• 52:04
  the
• 52:04
  dry
• 52:04
  dropper,
• 52:04
  where
• 52:05
  they're
• 52:05
  fishing
• 52:05
  a
• 52:05
  dry
• 52:05
  fly
• 52:06
  and
• 52:06
  then
• 52:06
  a
• 52:06
  nymph
• 52:07
  below
• 52:07
  it.
• 52:07
  And.
• 52:08
  And
• 52:08
  I
• 52:09
  talked
• 52:09
  to
• 52:09
  them
• 52:09
  about
• 52:10
  the
• 52:10
  dry
• 52:10
  fly
• 52:10
  because
• 52:10
  I
• 52:10
  thought
• 52:11
  maybe
• 52:11
  the
• 52:11
  dry
• 52:11
  fly
• 52:12
  was
• 52:12
  just
• 52:12
  something
• 52:12
  that
• 52:12
  was
• 52:12
  sacrificial,
• 52:13
  that
• 52:13
  was
• 52:13
  meant
• 52:14
  to
• 52:14
  just
• 52:14
  float
• 52:15
  a
• 52:15
  heavier
• 52:15
  nymph
• 52:16
  down
• 52:16
  below.
• 52:17
  And
• 52:17
  it
• 52:17
  wasn't
• 52:17
  like
• 52:17
  that
• 52:18
  for
• 52:18
  many
• 52:18
  of
• 52:18
  them
• 52:18
  because,
• 52:19
  you
• 52:19
  know,
• 52:19
  you
• 52:20
  know,
• 52:20
  let's
• 52:20
  just
• 52:20
  talk
• 52:20
  about
• 52:21
  brown
• 52:21
  trout.
• 52:21
  Like,
• 52:21
  brown
• 52:21
  trout
• 52:22
  definitely
• 52:23
  love
• 52:23
  to
• 52:23
  eat
• 52:23
  dry
• 52:24
  flies.
• 52:24
  And
• 52:25
  you
• 52:25
  want
• 52:25
  to
• 52:25
  really
• 52:26
  dial
• 52:26
  in
• 52:26
  your
• 52:27
  dry
• 52:27
  fly
• 52:27
  game
• 52:27
  whenever
• 52:28
  you're
• 52:28
  Euro
• 52:28
  nymphing
• 52:28
  and
• 52:28
  you're
• 52:29
  fishing
• 52:29
  dry
• 52:29
  dropper.
• 52:30
  And
• 52:30
  what
• 52:30
  I
• 52:30
  learned,
• 52:31
  you
• 52:31
  know,
• 52:31
  in
• 52:31
  that
• 52:32
  chapter,
• 52:32
  and
• 52:32
  I
• 52:33
  share
• 52:33
  in
• 52:33
  that
• 52:33
  chapter,
• 52:34
  is
• 52:34
  that,
• 52:34
  you
• 52:35
  know,
• 52:35
  you
• 52:35
  want
• 52:35
  to
• 52:35
  pick
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  dry
• 52:36
  fly
• 52:36
  that
• 52:36
  is
• 52:37
  going
• 52:37
  to
• 52:37
  be
• 52:37
  something
• 52:37
  they're
• 52:37
  going
• 52:37
  to
• 52:38
  eat,
• 52:38
  but
• 52:38
  also
• 52:38
  something
• 52:39
  that's
• 52:39
  going
• 52:39
  to
• 52:39
  barely
• 52:40
  float
• 52:40
  your
• 52:41
  nymph.
• 52:41
  So
• 52:42
  you're
• 52:42
  selecting
• 52:42
  dry
• 52:43
  flies,
• 52:43
  not
• 52:43
  like
• 52:43
  the
• 52:43
  chubby
• 52:44
  Chernobyl,
• 52:44
  something
• 52:44
  that
• 52:44
  will,
• 52:45
  you
• 52:45
  know,
• 52:45
  float
• 52:45
  the
• 52:45
  Titanic.
• 52:46
  You're
• 52:47
  looking
• 52:47
  for
• 52:47
  something
• 52:47
  it's
• 52:47
  almost
• 52:48
  struggling
• 52:49
  to
• 52:49
  float,
• 52:49
  so
• 52:50
  that
• 52:50
  if
• 52:50
  anything
• 52:50
  touches
• 52:51
  your
• 52:51
  dropper,
• 52:52
  anything
• 52:52
  touches
• 52:52
  your
• 52:52
  nymph,
• 52:53
  there's
• 52:53
  going
• 52:53
  to
• 52:53
  be
• 52:53
  some
• 52:54
  indication
• 52:54
  of
• 52:54
  an
• 52:54
  eat.
• 52:55
  So
• 52:55
  I
• 52:55
  really
• 52:56
  bow
• 52:56
  into,
• 52:56
  like,
• 52:57
  you
• 52:57
  know,
• 52:57
  just
• 52:57
  the
• 52:57
  background
• 52:58
  on,
• 52:58
  you
• 52:58
  know,
• 52:58
  what
• 52:58
  kind
• 52:59
  of
• 52:59
  dry
• 52:59
  flies
• 52:59
  are
• 52:59
  being
• 53:00
  used
• 53:00
  by
• 53:00
  some
• 53:00
  of
• 53:01
  the
• 53:01
  top
• 53:01
  anglers
• 53:01
  today.
• 53:02
  Then
• 53:02
  I
• 53:02
  think
• 53:02
  I
• 53:02
  finished
• 53:03
  with
• 53:03
  just
• 53:03
  some.
• 53:03
  An
• 53:03
  overview,
• 53:04
  some
• 53:04
  biographies
• 53:05
  of
• 53:05
  all
• 53:05
  those
• 53:05
  individuals
• 53:06
  that
• 53:06
  contributed
• 53:06
  to
• 53:07
  the
• 53:07
  book.
• 53:07
  Yeah,
• 53:07
  the
• 53:08
  dry
• 53:08
  fly
• 53:08
  thing
• 53:08
  is
• 53:08
  kind
• 53:09
  of
• 53:09
  a
• 53:09
  neat
• 53:09
  thing.
• 53:09
  I
• 53:09
  know,
• 53:10
  too.
• 53:10
  Like,
• 53:10
  a
• 53:10
  lot
• 53:10
  of
• 53:10
  those
• 53:11
  guys,
• 53:11
  they.
• 53:11
  They
• 53:11
  don't
• 53:11
  fish
• 53:12
  them
• 53:12
  in
• 53:12
  line.
• 53:12
  They
• 53:12
  fish
• 53:13
  them
• 53:13
  at
• 53:13
  a
• 53:13
  right
• 53:13
  angle
• 53:13
  dropper.
• 53:14
  And
• 53:14
  it's
• 53:15
  almost
• 53:15
  like
• 53:15
  an
• 53:15
  insanely
• 53:16
  sensitive
• 53:17
  strike
• 53:17
  indicator.
• 53:18
  Right?
• 53:20
  Oh,
• 53:20
  it's
• 53:20
  highly
• 53:21
  effective.
• 53:21
  And.
• 53:22
  And
• 53:22
  there
• 53:22
  were
• 53:22
  flies
• 53:23
  that
• 53:23
  I
• 53:23
  learned
• 53:23
  of
• 53:23
  after
• 53:24
  the
• 53:24
  book
• 53:24
  that
• 53:24
  I
• 53:24
  was
• 53:24
  like,
• 53:25
  oh,
• 53:25
  shoot,
• 53:25
  this
• 53:25
  one
• 53:25
  probably
• 53:26
  would
• 53:26
  have
• 53:26
  been
• 53:26
  a
• 53:26
  good
• 53:26
  fly
• 53:27
  as
• 53:27
  well.
• 53:27
  And
• 53:27
  I
• 53:27
  was
• 53:28
  luckily
• 53:28
  able
• 53:28
  to
• 53:28
  take
• 53:29
  some
• 53:29
  pictures
• 53:29
  of
• 53:29
  them,
• 53:29
  at
• 53:29
  least
• 53:30
  include
• 53:31
  other
• 53:31
  flies
• 53:31
  in
• 53:31
  that
• 53:32
  section,
• 53:32
  too,
• 53:32
  because,
• 53:33
  I
• 53:33
  mean,
• 53:33
  you
• 53:33
  know
• 53:34
  how
• 53:34
  this
• 53:34
  is,
• 53:34
  Marvin.
• 53:34
  It's
• 53:35
  like,
• 53:35
  it
• 53:35
  seems
• 53:35
  like
• 53:36
  every
• 53:36
  couple
• 53:36
  months,
• 53:37
  like
• 53:37
  something
• 53:37
  new
• 53:37
  is
• 53:38
  just,
• 53:38
  you
• 53:38
  know,
• 53:39
  opening
• 53:39
  our
• 53:39
  eyes
• 53:40
  in
• 53:40
  fly
• 53:40
  fishing.
• 53:41
  And
• 53:41
  I
• 53:41
  wanted
• 53:42
  to
• 53:42
  make
• 53:42
  the
• 53:42
  book
• 53:42
  as
• 53:42
  current
• 53:43
  as
• 53:43
  possible.
• 53:43
  So
• 53:44
  if
• 53:44
  I
• 53:44
  found
• 53:44
  something,
• 53:45
  like,
• 53:45
  right.
• 53:45
  I
• 53:45
  mean,
• 53:46
  we're
• 53:46
  talking
• 53:46
  like
• 53:46
  a
• 53:46
  week
• 53:47
  before
• 53:47
  print
• 53:47
  date,
• 53:48
  I
• 53:48
  was
• 53:48
  still,
• 53:48
  you
• 53:49
  know,
• 53:49
  emailing
• 53:49
  images
• 53:50
  and
• 53:50
  saying,
• 53:50
  hey,
• 53:51
  swap
• 53:51
  this
• 53:51
  image.
• 53:52
  Put
• 53:52
  this
• 53:52
  one
• 53:52
  in.
• 53:53
  The
• 53:53
  United
• 53:53
  States
• 53:54
  fly
• 53:54
  fishing
• 53:54
  team
• 53:55
  won
• 53:55
  the
• 53:55
  bronze
• 53:55
  medal.
• 53:56
  I
• 53:56
  want
• 53:56
  this
• 53:56
  picture
• 53:56
  of
• 53:56
  them
• 53:57
  in
• 53:57
  there
• 53:57
  now.
• 53:57
  Like,
• 53:57
  I,
• 53:58
  you
• 53:58
  know,
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  was
• 53:59
  able
• 53:59
  to
• 53:59
  really
• 53:59
  just.
• 53:59
  I
• 54:00
  just
• 54:00
  kept
• 54:00
  bombarding
• 54:01
  my
• 54:01
  poor
• 54:01
  publisher
• 54:02
  until
• 54:02
  the
• 54:03
  very
• 54:03
  end.
• 54:04
  Yeah,
• 54:04
  it's
• 54:04
  a
• 54:04
  neat
• 54:04
  thing,
• 54:05
  too.
• 54:05
  I
• 54:05
  mean,
• 54:05
  talking
• 54:05
  about
• 54:06
  having,
• 54:06
  you
• 54:06
  know,
• 54:06
  kind
• 54:07
  of
• 54:07
  things
• 54:07
  moving
• 54:07
  quickly.
• 54:08
  I
• 54:08
  mean,
• 54:08
  Euro
• 54:08
  nymphing
• 54:09
  and
• 54:09
  competitive
• 54:09
  angling
• 54:10
  has
• 54:10
  moved
• 54:10
  super
• 54:11
  quickly.
• 54:11
  Right.
• 54:12
  And
• 54:12
  so
• 54:12
  I
• 54:12
  think
• 54:13
  about,
• 54:13
  like,
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  know,
• 54:13
  my
• 54:14
  kind
• 54:14
  of
• 54:14
  gateway
• 54:14
  drug
• 54:15
  into
• 54:15
  that
• 54:15
  was
• 54:15
  George's
• 54:16
  dynamic
• 54:16
  nymphing
• 54:17
  book.
• 54:18
  And
• 54:18
  I
• 54:18
  mean,
• 54:18
  in
• 54:18
  the
• 54:18
  world
• 54:19
  has
• 54:19
  changed.
• 54:19
  I
• 54:20
  mean,
• 54:20
  even
• 54:20
  George
• 54:20
  will
• 54:20
  say,
• 54:21
  well,
• 54:21
  like,
• 54:21
  I'm
• 54:22
  not
• 54:22
  doing
• 54:22
  anything
• 54:22
  in
• 54:22
  that
• 54:23
  book
• 54:23
  now.
• 54:24
  And
• 54:24
  so,
• 54:24
  you
• 54:24
  know,
• 54:25
  when
• 54:25
  you
• 54:25
  had
• 54:25
  your
• 54:26
  first
• 54:26
  chapter,
• 54:26
  which
• 54:27
  was
• 54:27
  really
• 54:27
  kind
• 54:27
  of
• 54:28
  the
• 54:28
  current.
• 54:29
  You
• 54:29
  know,
• 54:29
  it's
• 54:29
  kind
• 54:29
  of
• 54:29
  like
• 54:30
  the
• 54:30
  late
• 54:30
  2024
• 54:31
  state
• 54:31
  of
• 54:31
  play
• 54:31
  in
• 54:32
  terms
• 54:32
  of,
• 54:32
  like,
• 54:33
  tactics
• 54:33
  and
• 54:33
  tackle,
• 54:34
  I
• 54:35
  thought
• 54:35
  that
• 54:35
  was
• 54:35
  super
• 54:36
  helpful.
• 54:37
  Thanks.
• 54:38
  Yeah,
• 54:38
  I
• 54:38
  mean,
• 54:39
  my
• 54:39
  first
• 54:39
  book,
• 54:39
  Fly
• 54:40
  Tying
• 54:40
  for
• 54:40
  Everyone,
• 54:41
  the
• 54:41
  premise
• 54:41
  was
• 54:41
  kind
• 54:41
  of
• 54:41
  like,
• 54:43
  this
• 54:43
  is
• 54:44
  fly
• 54:44
  tying
• 54:45
  today.
• 54:45
  Because
• 54:45
  I
• 54:45
  didn't
• 54:46
  want
• 54:46
  to
• 54:46
  have
• 54:46
  flies
• 54:47
  in
• 54:47
  there
• 54:47
  that
• 54:47
  were
• 54:47
  already
• 54:48
  tied
• 54:48
  like
• 54:48
  the
• 54:48
  Adams
• 54:48
  parachute.
• 54:49
  Like,
• 54:49
  that
• 54:49
  fly's
• 54:50
  been
• 54:50
  done
• 54:50
  in
• 54:50
  so
• 54:50
  many
• 54:51
  other
• 54:51
  books.
• 54:51
  There's
• 54:52
  no
• 54:52
  reason
• 54:52
  to
• 54:52
  just
• 54:53
  rehash
• 54:53
  the
• 54:53
  Adams
• 54:53
  parachute.
• 54:54
  But
• 54:54
  I
• 54:55
  was
• 54:55
  trying
• 54:55
  my
• 54:55
  best
• 54:55
  in
• 54:56
  that
• 54:56
  first
• 54:56
  book
• 54:56
  to
• 54:56
  kind
• 54:56
  of
• 54:57
  say,
• 54:57
  this
• 54:57
  is
• 54:57
  a
• 54:58
  snapshot
• 54:58
  on
• 54:58
  where
• 54:58
  we
• 54:59
  are
• 54:59
  in
• 54:59
  fly
• 54:59
  tying.
• 54:59
  Here's
• 55:00
  some
• 55:00
  modern
• 55:00
  flies
• 55:00
  being
• 55:01
  tied
• 55:01
  that
• 55:01
  are
• 55:01
  highly
• 55:02
  effective
• 55:02
  that
• 55:02
  you
• 55:02
  could
• 55:03
  use
• 55:03
  around
• 55:03
  the
• 55:03
  world.
• 55:04
  And
• 55:04
  then
• 55:04
  I
• 55:05
  kind
• 55:05
  of
• 55:05
  took
• 55:05
  that
• 55:06
  same
• 55:06
  line
• 55:06
  of
• 55:06
  thinking
• 55:07
  in
• 55:07
  this
• 55:07
  book
• 55:07
  to
• 55:07
  say,
• 55:08
  you
• 55:08
  know,
• 55:08
  this
• 55:08
  is.
• 55:09
  These
• 55:09
  are
• 55:09
  the
• 55:09
  flies
• 55:10
  that
• 55:10
  people
• 55:10
  are
• 55:10
  using
• 55:10
  today.
• 55:11
  This
• 55:11
  is
• 55:11
  the
• 55:11
  current
• 55:12
  state
• 55:12
  of
• 55:13
  European
• 55:13
  nymphing.
• 55:14
  And
• 55:14
  I'm
• 55:14
  sure,
• 55:15
  you
• 55:15
  know,
• 55:15
  in
• 55:15
  10
• 55:15
  years,
• 55:16
  people
• 55:16
  will
• 55:16
  look
• 55:16
  back
• 55:17
  at
• 55:17
  my
• 55:17
  book
• 55:17
  and
• 55:17
  be
• 55:17
  like,
• 55:17
  oh,
• 55:17
  this
• 55:18
  is
• 55:18
  where
• 55:18
  we
• 55:18
  are
• 55:18
  now.
• 55:19
  You
• 55:19
  know,
• 55:20
  But
• 55:20
  I
• 55:20
  believe
• 55:20
  there's
• 55:21
  definitely
• 55:21
  a
• 55:21
  foundation
• 55:22
  that
• 55:22
  I
• 55:22
  set
• 55:22
  there
• 55:22
  that
• 55:23
  hopefully
• 55:23
  stands
• 55:24
  a
• 55:24
  little
• 55:24
  bit
• 55:24
  of
• 55:24
  the
• 55:24
  test
• 55:24
  of
• 55:25
  time.
• 55:26
  It's
• 55:26
  neat,
• 55:26
  too.
• 55:27
  I
• 55:27
  mean,
• 55:27
  you
• 55:27
  know,
• 55:27
  I
• 55:28
  kind
• 55:28
  of.
• 55:28
  I
• 55:29
  mean,
• 55:29
  I'm
• 55:29
  not
• 55:29
  unique
• 55:30
  in
• 55:30
  this
• 55:30
  observation
• 55:30
  at
• 55:31
  all,
• 55:31
  but,
• 55:31
  you
• 55:31
  know
• 55:32
  that
• 55:32
  you
• 55:32
  can't
• 55:32
  design
• 55:33
  flies
• 55:33
  if
• 55:33
  you're
• 55:33
  not
• 55:34
  on
• 55:34
  the
• 55:34
  water
• 55:34
  solving
• 55:34
  problems.
• 55:36
  And
• 55:36
  I
• 55:36
  thought
• 55:36
  that
• 55:37
  that
• 55:37
  was
• 55:37
  a.
• 55:38
  A
• 55:39
  really
• 55:40
  nice
• 55:40
  theme
• 55:41
  that
• 55:41
  really
• 55:41
  kind
• 55:41
  of
• 55:42
  came
• 55:42
  through
• 55:44
  in
• 55:44
  the
• 55:44
  book,
• 55:44
  that
• 55:45
  it
• 55:45
  wasn't
• 55:45
  like,
• 55:45
  here
• 55:45
  are
• 55:45
  the
• 55:46
  steps
• 55:46
  and
• 55:46
  here's
• 55:46
  your
• 55:46
  fly.
• 55:47
  Right?
• 55:48
  Yeah.
• 55:49
  I
• 55:49
  mean,
• 55:49
  that
• 55:49
  was
• 55:49
  definitely
• 55:50
  one
• 55:50
  of
• 55:50
  those
• 55:50
  tricky
• 55:50
  aspects,
• 55:51
  because
• 55:51
  if
• 55:52
  you
• 55:52
  look
• 55:52
  at
• 55:52
  it
• 55:52
  like,
• 55:53
  they're
• 55:53
  just
• 55:53
  flies.
• 55:55
  It's.
• 55:55
  That's
• 55:55
  a
• 55:56
  tough
• 55:56
  rabbit
• 55:56
  hole
• 55:56
  to
• 55:56
  go
• 55:57
  down.
• 55:57
  And
• 55:58
  I
• 55:58
  know
• 55:58
  there's
• 55:58
  many
• 55:58
  anglers
• 55:59
  out
• 55:59
  there.
• 55:59
  There's
• 55:59
  Many
• 56:00
  tires
• 56:00
  out
• 56:00
  there
• 56:01
  that
• 56:01
  just.
• 56:01
  They
• 56:01
  love
• 56:02
  to
• 56:02
  tie
• 56:02
  for
• 56:02
  the
• 56:02
  sake
• 56:02
  of
• 56:03
  tying.
• 56:03
  And
• 56:04
  I
• 56:04
  get
• 56:04
  that.
• 56:04
  I
• 56:04
  think
• 56:05
  earlier
• 56:05
  in
• 56:05
  my
• 56:05
  tying
• 56:06
  career,
• 56:07
  like,
• 56:07
  I
• 56:08
  love
• 56:08
  to
• 56:08
  sit
• 56:08
  down,
• 56:09
  tie
• 56:09
  flies,
• 56:10
  fill
• 56:10
  boxes,
• 56:11
  give
• 56:11
  them
• 56:11
  away,
• 56:11
  do
• 56:11
  whatever.
• 56:12
  Now
• 56:13
  I
• 56:13
  kind
• 56:13
  of.
• 56:14
  I
• 56:14
  tend
• 56:14
  to
• 56:14
  tie.
• 56:14
  You
• 56:15
  know,
• 56:15
  it's
• 56:15
  part
• 56:15
  of
• 56:15
  the
• 56:15
  addiction.
• 56:16
  It's
• 56:16
  like
• 56:16
  I'm
• 56:16
  tying
• 56:17
  flies
• 56:17
  to
• 56:17
  catch
• 56:18
  fish,
• 56:18
  and
• 56:18
  I'm
• 56:19
  trying
• 56:19
  my
• 56:19
  best
• 56:20
  to
• 56:20
  tie
• 56:20
  each
• 56:21
  pattern.
• 56:21
  I
• 56:21
  don't
• 56:21
  want
• 56:21
  to
• 56:22
  say
• 56:22
  to
• 56:22
  solve
• 56:22
  a
• 56:22
  problem,
• 56:22
  because
• 56:23
  I
• 56:23
  feel
• 56:23
  like
• 56:23
  that
• 56:23
  tends
• 56:24
  to
• 56:24
  be
• 56:24
  a
• 56:24
  little
• 56:24
  bit
• 56:24
  overused
• 56:25
  in
• 56:25
  a
• 56:25
  sense,
• 56:25
  but
• 56:26
  for
• 56:26
  a
• 56:26
  certain
• 56:27
  situation
• 56:27
  or.
• 56:28
  And
• 56:29
  even
• 56:29
  more
• 56:29
  so,
• 56:30
  I
• 56:30
  think
• 56:30
  the
• 56:30
  flies
• 56:30
  that
• 56:31
  I'm
• 56:31
  selecting,
• 56:32
  these
• 56:32
  aren't
• 56:32
  necessarily
• 56:33
  doubt
• 56:33
  in
• 56:33
  where,
• 56:34
  like,
• 56:34
  hey,
• 56:34
  if
• 56:34
  you
• 56:34
  find
• 56:34
  the
• 56:35
  green
• 56:35
  drake
• 56:35
  hatch
• 56:36
  in
• 56:36
  Pennsylvania,
• 56:37
  you
• 56:37
  know,
• 56:37
  around
• 56:38
  Mother's
• 56:38
  Day,
• 56:38
  like,
• 56:38
  this
• 56:39
  is
• 56:39
  the
• 56:39
  fly
• 56:39
  to
• 56:39
  use.
• 56:39
  Like,
• 56:40
  it's
• 56:40
  not
• 56:40
  that.
• 56:41
  Like,
• 56:41
  I'm
• 56:41
  looking
• 56:41
  for
• 56:41
  flies
• 56:42
  that
• 56:42
  are
• 56:42
  so
• 56:42
  general
• 56:43
  that
• 56:44
  I
• 56:44
  don't
• 56:44
  care
• 56:44
  if
• 56:44
  you're
• 56:45
  in
• 56:45
  Montana,
• 56:46
  if
• 56:46
  you're
• 56:46
  in
• 56:46
  Alaska,
• 56:47
  if
• 56:47
  you're
• 56:47
  in
• 56:47
  western
• 56:48
  Pennsylvania,
• 56:48
  if
• 56:49
  you're
• 56:49
  in
• 56:49
  state
• 56:49
  College,
• 56:50
  or
• 56:50
  if
• 56:50
  you're
• 56:50
  in
• 56:50
  Iceland.
• 56:50
  Like,
• 56:51
  you
• 56:51
  know,
• 56:51
  there's
• 56:52
  flies
• 56:52
  in
• 56:52
  there,
• 56:52
  like,
• 56:53
  we'll
• 56:53
  say
• 56:53
  Devin's
• 56:53
  blowtorch
• 56:54
  that
• 56:54
  I've
• 56:55
  caught
• 56:55
  fish
• 56:55
  on
• 56:55
  around
• 56:56
  the
• 56:56
  world
• 56:56
  on
• 56:56
  that
• 56:56
  fly.
• 56:57
  And
• 56:57
  those
• 56:57
  are
• 56:57
  the
• 56:57
  types
• 56:58
  of
• 56:58
  flies
• 56:58
  we're
• 56:59
  kind
• 56:59
  of
• 56:59
  focused
• 57:00
  on.
• 57:00
  I
• 57:00
  mean,
• 57:01
  the
• 57:01
  one
• 57:01
  fly
• 57:02
  that
• 57:02
  I
• 57:02
  think
• 57:02
  kind
• 57:03
  of
• 57:03
  stood
• 57:03
  out,
• 57:03
  out
• 57:04
  of
• 57:04
  all
• 57:04
  the
• 57:04
  fly.
• 57:05
  All
• 57:05
  the
• 57:05
  confidence
• 57:05
  list,
• 57:06
  because
• 57:06
  I
• 57:06
  interview
• 57:06
  all
• 57:06
  these.
• 57:07
  All
• 57:07
  these
• 57:07
  anglers,
• 57:08
  and
• 57:08
  not
• 57:08
  one
• 57:09
  angler
• 57:09
  had
• 57:10
  the
• 57:10
  same
• 57:10
  list
• 57:10
  as
• 57:10
  somebody
• 57:10
  else.
• 57:11
  And
• 57:11
  they
• 57:11
  were
• 57:11
  very
• 57:12
  few
• 57:12
  flies
• 57:13
  that
• 57:13
  found
• 57:13
  their
• 57:13
  way
• 57:13
  onto
• 57:13
  every
• 57:14
  list.
• 57:14
  There
• 57:15
  was
• 57:15
  kind
• 57:15
  of
• 57:15
  one
• 57:15
  fly
• 57:16
  that
• 57:16
  I
• 57:16
  would
• 57:16
  say
• 57:16
  was
• 57:16
  pretty
• 57:17
  much
• 57:17
  considered
• 57:17
  the
• 57:18
  staple
• 57:18
  for
• 57:18
  everyone.
• 57:19
  You
• 57:19
  want
• 57:19
  to
• 57:19
  guess
• 57:19
  what
• 57:19
  it
• 57:20
  was?
• 57:21
  Oh,
• 57:21
  gosh.
• 57:22
  Probably
• 57:22
  some
• 57:22
  variation
• 57:23
  of
• 57:23
  a
• 57:23
  pheasant
• 57:23
  tail.
• 57:24
  Exactly.
• 57:24
  You
• 57:25
  are
• 57:25
  awesome,
• 57:25
  man.
• 57:26
  Exactly.
• 57:26
  That
• 57:26
  was.
• 57:27
  That's
• 57:27
  the
• 57:27
  fly.
• 57:28
  It
• 57:28
  was
• 57:28
  the
• 57:29
  one
• 57:29
  fly
• 57:29
  that
• 57:29
  kind
• 57:29
  of
• 57:29
  belonged
• 57:30
  everywhere
• 57:30
  is
• 57:30
  the
• 57:30
  pheasant
• 57:31
  tail.
• 57:31
  And
• 57:32
  I
• 57:32
  think
• 57:32
  the
• 57:32
  dilemma
• 57:33
  that
• 57:33
  I
• 57:33
  had
• 57:33
  with
• 57:33
  the
• 57:33
  book
• 57:33
  was,
• 57:34
  do
• 57:34
  I
• 57:35
  include
• 57:35
  the
• 57:35
  Frenchie
• 57:36
  Egan's
• 57:36
  Frenchie?
• 57:37
  Because
• 57:37
  that's
• 57:37
  kind
• 57:37
  of
• 57:38
  like
• 57:38
  the
• 57:38
  current
• 57:38
  pheasant
• 57:38
  tail.
• 57:39
  But
• 57:39
  I'm
• 57:39
  like,
• 57:39
  oh,
• 57:40
  that
• 57:40
  book.
• 57:40
  That
• 57:40
  fly's
• 57:40
  been
• 57:41
  done
• 57:41
  as
• 57:41
  well.
• 57:41
  Like,
• 57:41
  I
• 57:42
  shared
• 57:42
  a
• 57:42
  lot
• 57:43
  of
• 57:43
  information
• 57:43
  in
• 57:43
  my
• 57:43
  first
• 57:44
  book
• 57:44
  about
• 57:44
  the
• 57:44
  Frenchie,
• 57:45
  so
• 57:45
  I
• 57:45
  still
• 57:46
  had
• 57:46
  to
• 57:46
  have
• 57:46
  a
• 57:46
  section
• 57:46
  on
• 57:47
  it.
• 57:47
  But
• 57:47
  I
• 57:47
  also
• 57:47
  want
• 57:47
  to
• 57:48
  kind
• 57:48
  of
• 57:48
  share
• 57:48
  and
• 57:49
  highlight
• 57:49
  another
• 57:50
  pheasant
• 57:50
  tail.
• 57:50
  That's
• 57:51
  a
• 57:51
  highly
• 57:51
  popular
• 57:51
  one.
• 57:52
  So.
• 57:52
  But
• 57:52
  yeah,
• 57:53
  that
• 57:53
  was
• 57:53
  the
• 57:53
  one
• 57:53
  fly
• 57:53
  that
• 57:54
  really
• 57:54
  just
• 57:55
  everybody
• 57:55
  was.
• 57:56
  The
• 57:56
  pheasant
• 57:56
  tail
• 57:56
  was
• 57:57
  the
• 57:57
  one
• 57:57
  fly.
• 57:57
  Yeah.
• 57:58
  It's
• 57:58
  interesting
• 57:58
  too.
• 57:59
  Because,
• 57:59
  I
• 57:59
  mean,
• 57:59
  I,
• 57:59
  I
• 57:59
  thought,
• 58:00
  you
• 58:00
  know,
• 58:00
  first
• 58:00
  of
• 58:00
  all,
• 58:01
  it's
• 58:01
  a
• 58:01
  ton
• 58:01
  of
• 58:01
  work
• 58:02
  reading
• 58:02
  the
• 58:02
  book,
• 58:03
  you
• 58:03
  know,
• 58:03
  where
• 58:03
  you
• 58:03
  go
• 58:03
  and
• 58:04
  you
• 58:04
  have
• 58:04
  a
• 58:04
  particular
• 58:04
  tire,
• 58:05
  who's
• 58:05
  like,
• 58:05
  this
• 58:05
  is
• 58:06
  why
• 58:06
  I
• 58:06
  picked
• 58:06
  this
• 58:06
  material,
• 58:07
  or
• 58:08
  this
• 58:08
  is
• 58:08
  why
• 58:08
  I
• 58:08
  like
• 58:09
  to
• 58:09
  do
• 58:09
  this
• 58:09
  technique.
• 58:10
  And
• 58:10
  I
• 58:10
  was
• 58:11
  kind
• 58:11
  of
• 58:11
  curious,
• 58:12
  you
• 58:12
  know,
• 58:12
  if
• 58:12
  that
• 58:12
  kind
• 58:13
  of
• 58:13
  focus
• 58:13
  on
• 58:13
  why,
• 58:15
  you
• 58:15
  know,
• 58:16
  is
• 58:16
  that
• 58:16
  kind
• 58:16
  of
• 58:17
  seeing
• 58:17
  that
• 58:18
  as
• 58:18
  kind
• 58:18
  of
• 58:18
  an
• 58:18
  outgrowth
• 58:19
  of
• 58:19
  your
• 58:19
  background
• 58:19
  as
• 58:19
  an
• 58:20
  educator?
• 58:21
  Yeah,
• 58:21
  I
• 58:21
  think
• 58:22
  so.
• 58:22
  I
• 58:22
  think.
• 58:22
  You
• 58:23
  think
• 58:23
  you
• 58:23
  definitely
• 58:23
  hit
• 58:24
  onto
• 58:24
  something.
• 58:24
  And
• 58:24
  that's
• 58:25
  an
• 58:25
  aspect
• 58:25
  of
• 58:25
  my
• 58:26
  own
• 58:27
  content
• 58:27
  that
• 58:27
  I
• 58:28
  really
• 58:28
  hadn't
• 58:28
  understood
• 58:28
  about
• 58:29
  myself.
• 58:29
  Because,
• 58:30
  you
• 58:30
  know,
• 58:30
  for
• 58:30
  instance,
• 58:31
  you
• 58:32
  know,
• 58:32
  I
• 58:32
  do
• 58:32
  a
• 58:32
  lot
• 58:32
  of
• 58:33
  presentations
• 58:33
  at
• 58:34
  places
• 58:34
  like
• 58:34
  the
• 58:34
  fly
• 58:34
  fishing
• 58:35
  show,
• 58:35
  where
• 58:35
  I'm
• 58:36
  a
• 58:36
  national
• 58:36
  speaker.
• 58:36
  And
• 58:36
  I
• 58:37
  get,
• 58:37
  you
• 58:37
  know,
• 58:37
  I
• 58:37
  get
• 58:37
  emails
• 58:38
  from
• 58:38
  clubs
• 58:38
  on
• 58:38
  a
• 58:38
  regular
• 58:38
  basis.
• 58:39
  I
• 58:39
  receive
• 58:39
  one
• 58:39
  today
• 58:40
  and
• 58:40
  they're
• 58:40
  like,
• 58:40
  hey,
• 58:40
  could
• 58:41
  you
• 58:41
  come
• 58:41
  to
• 58:41
  our
• 58:41
  club?
• 58:41
  We
• 58:42
  have
• 58:42
  a
• 58:42
  banquet
• 58:42
  coming
• 58:42
  up.
• 58:42
  We
• 58:43
  want
• 58:43
  you
• 58:43
  to
• 58:43
  be
• 58:43
  our
• 58:43
  speaker.
• 58:44
  And
• 58:45
  it's
• 58:46
  such
• 58:46
  a
• 58:46
  compliment
• 58:46
  to
• 58:47
  get
• 58:47
  invitations
• 58:48
  from
• 58:48
  so
• 58:48
  many
• 58:48
  clubs
• 58:49
  and
• 58:49
  to
• 58:49
  be,
• 58:49
  you
• 58:49
  know,
• 58:50
  a
• 58:50
  featured
• 58:50
  presenter
• 58:50
  at,
• 58:51
  you
• 58:51
  know,
• 58:51
  multiple
• 58:52
  fly
• 58:52
  fishing
• 58:52
  shows
• 58:52
  this
• 58:53
  summer
• 58:53
  or
• 58:53
  this,
• 58:54
  this
• 58:54
  winter
• 58:54
  at
• 58:55
  the
• 58:55
  Midwest
• 58:55
  in
• 58:55
  Michigan.
• 58:56
  Like,
• 58:56
  it's,
• 58:56
  it's,
• 58:57
  it's
• 58:57
  so
• 58:57
  awesome.
• 58:58
  But
• 58:58
  I'll
• 58:59
  tell
• 58:59
  you,
• 58:59
  from
• 58:59
  like,
• 59:00
  that
• 59:00
  other
• 59:00
  side
• 59:01
  of
• 59:01
  me,
• 59:01
  I'm
• 59:01
  always
• 59:01
  like,
• 59:01
  man,
• 59:02
  why
• 59:02
  are
• 59:03
  they
• 59:03
  selecting
• 59:03
  me
• 59:03
  to
• 59:03
  be
• 59:04
  this
• 59:04
  speaker?
• 59:04
  Like,
• 59:04
  what
• 59:05
  makes
• 59:05
  me
• 59:05
  stand
• 59:06
  out?
• 59:06
  And
• 59:06
  I
• 59:07
  always
• 59:07
  thought
• 59:07
  like,
• 59:07
  maybe
• 59:08
  I
• 59:08
  just
• 59:08
  do
• 59:08
  a
• 59:08
  good
• 59:09
  job
• 59:09
  with
• 59:09
  my
• 59:09
  PowerPoints
• 59:10
  or
• 59:10
  I'm
• 59:10
  a
• 59:10
  strong
• 59:11
  talker
• 59:11
  or,
• 59:12
  you
• 59:12
  know,
• 59:13
  or
• 59:13
  maybe
• 59:13
  my
• 59:13
  titles
• 59:14
  are
• 59:14
  really
• 59:14
  catchy.
• 59:15
  And
• 59:15
  it's
• 59:15
  not
• 59:15
  that
• 59:16
  it's
• 59:16
  my
• 59:16
  background
• 59:16
  as
• 59:16
  a
• 59:17
  teacher.
• 59:17
  I
• 59:17
  mean,
• 59:17
  when
• 59:18
  you're
• 59:18
  teaching
• 59:18
  12
• 59:19
  year
• 59:19
  olds
• 59:19
  every
• 59:19
  day,
• 59:20
  I
• 59:20
  mean,
• 59:20
  I've
• 59:20
  taught
• 59:21
  math,
• 59:21
  Ela,
• 59:22
  like
• 59:22
  language
• 59:22
  arts,
• 59:23
  writing,
• 59:24
  science
• 59:24
  and
• 59:24
  social
• 59:24
  studies.
• 59:25
  I
• 59:25
  mean,
• 59:25
  you
• 59:25
  got
• 59:26
  to
• 59:26
  find
• 59:26
  a
• 59:26
  way
• 59:26
  to,
• 59:26
  number
• 59:27
  one,
• 59:27
  motivate
• 59:27
  them
• 59:28
  and
• 59:28
  then
• 59:29
  number
• 59:29
  two,
• 59:29
  break
• 59:30
  down
• 59:30
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• 59:31
  into
• 59:31
  digestible
• 59:32
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• 59:32
  And
• 59:33
  for
• 59:33
  me,
• 59:34
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• 59:34
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• 59:34
  writing
• 59:34
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• 59:35
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• 59:35
  making
• 59:35
  YouTube
• 59:36
  videos
• 59:36
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• 59:37
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• 59:37
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• 59:37
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• 59:38
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• 59:38
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• 59:38
  regular
• 59:38
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• 59:39
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• 59:39
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• 59:39
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• 59:40
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• 59:40
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• 59:40
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• 59:40
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• 59:41
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• 59:41
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• 59:41
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• 59:41
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• 59:42
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• 59:42
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• 59:42
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• 59:43
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• 59:43
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• 59:44
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• 59:44
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• 59:44
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• 59:44
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• 59:44
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• 59:45
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• 59:45
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• 59:45
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• 59:45
  They
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• 59:45
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• 59:46
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• 59:46
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• 59:46
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• 59:47
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• 59:47
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• 59:48
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• 59:48
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• 59:48
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• 59:49
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• 59:49
  flies.
• 59:49
  They
• 59:50
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• 59:50
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• 59:50
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• 59:50
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• 59:51
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• 59:51
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• 59:51
  And
• 59:52
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• 59:52
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• 59:52
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• 59:53
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• 59:53
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• 59:53
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• 59:53
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• 59:53
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• 59:54
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• 59:54
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• 59:54
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• 59:54
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• 59:55
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• 59:55
  So
• 59:56
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• 59:56
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• 59:56
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• 59:56
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• 59:57
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• 59:57
  They're
• 59:57
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:59
  And
• 59:59
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:34
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:54
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:14
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• 1:01:15
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• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:21
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• 1:01:23
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• 1:01:24
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• 1:01:26
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• 1:01:27
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:29
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• 1:01:29
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• 1:01:29
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• 1:01:29
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• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:33
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:36
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:01:43
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:48
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• 1:01:49
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• 1:01:51
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• 1:01:52
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• 1:01:52
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• 1:01:52
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:01:56
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• 1:01:57
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• 1:01:57
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• 1:01:58
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• 1:01:58
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• 1:02:01
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• 1:02:04
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• 1:02:08
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:10
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• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:16
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• 1:02:16
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• 1:02:16
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• 1:02:17
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• 1:02:18
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• 1:02:18
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:23
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• 1:03:23
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• 1:03:24
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• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:37
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• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:03:49
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• 1:03:49
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• 1:03:50
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• 1:03:51
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:53
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• 1:03:53
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• 1:03:53
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• 1:03:53
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• 1:03:54
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:03:56
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• 1:03:56
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• 1:03:56
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• 1:03:57
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• 1:03:57
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• 1:03:58
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• 1:03:59
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• 1:04:05
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• 1:04:09
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:18
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:04:20
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• 1:04:21
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• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:26
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• 1:04:26
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• 1:04:26
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• 1:04:27
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• 1:04:27
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• 1:04:29
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• 1:04:29
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:35
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• 1:04:35
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• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:37
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:48
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• 1:04:48
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:51
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• 1:04:52
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• 1:04:52
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:57
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• 1:04:57
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:07:52
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• 1:07:52
  forever.
• 1:07:54
  So.
• 1:07:55
  So,
• 1:07:55
  Tim,
• 1:07:55
  what's
• 1:07:56
  the
• 1:07:56
  best
• 1:07:56
  way
• 1:07:56
  for
• 1:07:56
  kind
• 1:07:56
  of
• 1:07:57
  folks
• 1:07:57
  to
• 1:07:57
  kind
• 1:07:57
  of,
• 1:07:57
  you
• 1:07:58
  know,
• 1:07:58
  keep
• 1:07:58
  up
• 1:07:58
  with
• 1:07:58
  your
• 1:07:58
  adventures
• 1:07:59
  at
• 1:07:59
  the
• 1:07:59
  vice,
• 1:08:00
  I
• 1:08:00
  guess,
• 1:08:00
  at
• 1:08:00
  the
• 1:08:01
  word
• 1:08:01
  processor
• 1:08:01
  and
• 1:08:01
  on
• 1:08:02
  the
• 1:08:02
  water?
• 1:08:02
  Yeah,
• 1:08:03
  I
• 1:08:03
  mean,
• 1:08:03
  probably
• 1:08:04
  the
• 1:08:04
  best
• 1:08:04
  way
• 1:08:04
  is,
• 1:08:04
  you
• 1:08:05
  know,
• 1:08:05
  if
• 1:08:05
  you,
• 1:08:05
  if
• 1:08:05
  you're
• 1:08:05
  into
• 1:08:05
  social
• 1:08:06
  media,
• 1:08:07
  you
• 1:08:07
  can
• 1:08:07
  either
• 1:08:07
  search
• 1:08:08
  for
• 1:08:08
  my
• 1:08:08
  name,
• 1:08:08
  Tim
• 1:08:08
  Kamisa,
• 1:08:09
  or
• 1:08:09
  Trout
• 1:08:09
  and
• 1:08:10
  Feather.
• 1:08:10
  It
• 1:08:10
  doesn't
• 1:08:11
  matter
• 1:08:11
  which
• 1:08:11
  social
• 1:08:11
  media
• 1:08:12
  platform.
• 1:08:12
  I
• 1:08:12
  tend
• 1:08:13
  to
• 1:08:13
  post
• 1:08:13
  on
• 1:08:13
  them
• 1:08:13
  all
• 1:08:14
  just
• 1:08:14
  because,
• 1:08:15
  you
• 1:08:15
  know,
• 1:08:15
  I
• 1:08:15
  want
• 1:08:15
  to,
• 1:08:15
  I
• 1:08:16
  want
• 1:08:16
  to
• 1:08:16
  meet
• 1:08:16
  people
• 1:08:16
  where
• 1:08:17
  they
• 1:08:17
  are
• 1:08:17
  right
• 1:08:17
  now.
• 1:08:17
  I
• 1:08:17
  know
• 1:08:18
  not
• 1:08:18
  everyone's
• 1:08:18
  just
• 1:08:18
  on
• 1:08:19
  Facebook
• 1:08:19
  or
• 1:08:20
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• 1:08:20
  or
• 1:08:20
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• 1:08:21
  or,
• 1:08:21
  or
• 1:08:22
  Pinterest.
• 1:08:22
  I
• 1:08:22
  know,
• 1:08:23
  you
• 1:08:23
  know,
• 1:08:23
  there's
• 1:08:23
  a
• 1:08:23
  variety
• 1:08:24
  of
• 1:08:24
  people
• 1:08:24
  all
• 1:08:24
  over
• 1:08:24
  the
• 1:08:25
  place.
• 1:08:25
  Then
• 1:08:26
  the
• 1:08:26
  best
• 1:08:26
  way
• 1:08:26
  to
• 1:08:27
  contact
• 1:08:27
  me
• 1:08:27
  would
• 1:08:27
  probably
• 1:08:27
  be
• 1:08:28
  through
• 1:08:28
  my
• 1:08:28
  website,
• 1:08:28
  which
• 1:08:28
  is
• 1:08:28
  troutandfeather.com
• 1:08:30
  I
• 1:08:30
  have
• 1:08:30
  a
• 1:08:30
  contact
• 1:08:31
  button
• 1:08:32
  there.
• 1:08:32
  That's
• 1:08:32
  where
• 1:08:32
  I
• 1:08:32
  kind
• 1:08:32
  of
• 1:08:33
  host
• 1:08:33
  all
• 1:08:33
  my
• 1:08:33
  videos.
• 1:08:34
  I
• 1:08:34
  have
• 1:08:34
  a
• 1:08:34
  blog
• 1:08:35
  there.
• 1:08:35
  That's
• 1:08:35
  where
• 1:08:36
  you
• 1:08:36
  can
• 1:08:36
  purchase
• 1:08:36
  my
• 1:08:36
  book.
• 1:08:37
  And
• 1:08:38
  that's
• 1:08:38
  kind
• 1:08:38
  of
• 1:08:38
  where
• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:39
  things
• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:39
  of
• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:40
  all
• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:41
  Well,
• 1:08:42
  Tim,
• 1:08:43
  I
• 1:08:43
  super
• 1:08:43
  appreciate
• 1:08:44
  you
• 1:08:44
  carving
• 1:08:44
  some
• 1:08:44
  time
• 1:08:45
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• 1:08:45
  this
• 1:08:45
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• 1:08:45
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• 1:08:46
  really
• 1:08:46
  appreciate,
• 1:08:47
  I
• 1:08:48
  didn't
• 1:08:48
  realize
• 1:08:48
  it,
• 1:08:48
  that
• 1:08:48
  I'm
• 1:08:49
  your
• 1:08:49
  first
• 1:08:49
  book
• 1:08:49
  interview.
• 1:08:51
  So
• 1:08:51
  super
• 1:08:52
  honored
• 1:08:52
  to
• 1:08:52
  do
• 1:08:52
  that
• 1:08:52
  too.
• 1:08:53
  Oh,
• 1:08:54
  my
• 1:08:54
  gosh.
• 1:08:54
  Come
• 1:08:54
  on.
• 1:08:54
  You
• 1:08:54
  know,
• 1:08:55
  I
• 1:08:55
  love,
• 1:08:55
  I
• 1:08:55
  love
• 1:08:55
  having
• 1:08:56
  conversations
• 1:08:56
  with
• 1:08:56
  you.
• 1:08:57
  The
• 1:08:57
  podcast
• 1:08:57
  is
• 1:08:57
  just
• 1:08:58
  like,
• 1:08:58
  this
• 1:08:58
  is
• 1:08:58
  like
• 1:08:58
  the
• 1:08:59
  cherry
• 1:08:59
  on
• 1:08:59
  the
• 1:08:59
  icing.
• 1:08:59
  And
• 1:09:00
  I
• 1:09:00
  know
• 1:09:00
  I
• 1:09:00
  said
• 1:09:00
  this
• 1:09:01
  last
• 1:09:01
  time,
• 1:09:01
  and
• 1:09:01
  I'll
• 1:09:01
  say
• 1:09:01
  this
• 1:09:02
  every
• 1:09:02
  time
• 1:09:03
  for
• 1:09:03
  the
• 1:09:03
  listeners.
• 1:09:04
  Marvin
• 1:09:05
  puts
• 1:09:05
  in
• 1:09:06
  so
• 1:09:06
  much
• 1:09:06
  time.
• 1:09:06
  I
• 1:09:07
  mean,
• 1:09:07
  before
• 1:09:07
  we
• 1:09:07
  started
• 1:09:07
  this,
• 1:09:08
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• 1:09:08
  were
• 1:09:08
  talking
• 1:09:08
  about
• 1:09:09
  recordings
• 1:09:10
  and
• 1:09:10
  the
• 1:09:10
  stuff
• 1:09:11
  that
• 1:09:11
  you
• 1:09:11
  buy
• 1:09:11
  and
• 1:09:12
  the
• 1:09:12
  purchase
• 1:09:13
  he
• 1:09:13
  just
• 1:09:13
  made.
• 1:09:13
  I
• 1:09:13
  won't
• 1:09:14
  tell
• 1:09:14
  you
• 1:09:14
  how
• 1:09:14
  much
• 1:09:14
  money
• 1:09:14
  he
• 1:09:14
  spent
• 1:09:15
  on
• 1:09:15
  stuff
• 1:09:15
  that's
• 1:09:15
  going
• 1:09:15
  to
• 1:09:16
  make
• 1:09:16
  this
• 1:09:16
  show
• 1:09:17
  better.
• 1:09:17
  I
• 1:09:18
  don't
• 1:09:18
  think
• 1:09:18
  people
• 1:09:18
  realize
• 1:09:19
  the
• 1:09:19
  amount
• 1:09:19
  of
• 1:09:19
  time
• 1:09:20
  that
• 1:09:20
  gets
• 1:09:20
  put
• 1:09:20
  into
• 1:09:21
  it
• 1:09:21
  by
• 1:09:21
  people
• 1:09:21
  like
• 1:09:21
  you,
• 1:09:22
  Marvin,
• 1:09:22
  that
• 1:09:23
  just
• 1:09:23
  continue
• 1:09:23
  to
• 1:09:24
  help
• 1:09:24
  make
• 1:09:24
  our
• 1:09:24
  sport
• 1:09:24
  better.
• 1:09:25
  So,
• 1:09:25
  you
• 1:09:25
  know,
• 1:09:26
  on
• 1:09:26
  behalf
• 1:09:26
  of
• 1:09:27
  the
• 1:09:27
  whole
• 1:09:27
  fly
• 1:09:27
  fishing
• 1:09:28
  community,
• 1:09:28
  thanks
• 1:09:28
  for
• 1:09:28
  everything
• 1:09:28
  you're
• 1:09:29
  doing.
• 1:09:29
  Oh,
• 1:09:29
  I
• 1:09:30
  appreciate
• 1:09:30
  it.
• 1:09:30
  And
• 1:09:30
  I
• 1:09:30
  would
• 1:09:31
  also
• 1:09:31
  say,
• 1:09:31
  you
• 1:09:31
  know,
• 1:09:31
  there's
• 1:09:32
  so
• 1:09:32
  many
• 1:09:32
  folks
• 1:09:32
  out
• 1:09:32
  there,
• 1:09:33
  you
• 1:09:33
  know,
• 1:09:33
  like
• 1:09:33
  you
• 1:09:34
  and
• 1:09:34
  other
• 1:09:34
  podcasters
• 1:09:35
  and
• 1:09:35
  other
• 1:09:35
  outdoor
• 1:09:36
  writers
• 1:09:36
  and
• 1:09:36
  other
• 1:09:36
  educators,
• 1:09:37
  you
• 1:09:38
  know,
• 1:09:38
  kind
• 1:09:38
  of
• 1:09:38
  picking
• 1:09:39
  their
• 1:09:39
  lane
• 1:09:39
  to
• 1:09:39
  do
• 1:09:40
  the
• 1:09:40
  exact
• 1:09:40
  same
• 1:09:40
  thing.
• 1:09:41
  So
• 1:09:42
  you
• 1:09:42
  know,
• 1:09:42
  what
• 1:09:42
  I
• 1:09:42
  would
• 1:09:43
  say
• 1:09:43
  to
• 1:09:43
  folks
• 1:09:43
  is,
• 1:09:43
  you
• 1:09:43
  know,
• 1:09:44
  support
• 1:09:44
  all
• 1:09:44
  those
• 1:09:44
  people.
• 1:09:45
  Find
• 1:09:45
  the
• 1:09:45
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• 1:09:45
  that
• 1:09:45
  you
• 1:09:45
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• 1:09:45
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• 1:09:45
  hang
• 1:09:46
  out
• 1:09:46
  with
• 1:09:46
  and
• 1:09:46
  spend
• 1:09:46
  more
• 1:09:46
  time
• 1:09:47
  with
• 1:09:47
  them.
• 1:09:47
  And
• 1:09:48
  we
• 1:09:48
  have
• 1:09:48
  a
• 1:09:48
  great
• 1:09:49
  community.
• 1:09:49
  I
• 1:09:50
  think
• 1:09:50
  we
• 1:09:50
  are.
• 1:09:50
  I
• 1:09:50
  think
• 1:09:51
  fly
• 1:09:51
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• 1:09:51
  are
• 1:09:51
  some
• 1:09:51
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• 1:09:52
  the
• 1:09:52
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• 1:09:52
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• 1:09:52
  people
• 1:09:52
  on
• 1:09:53
  the
• 1:09:53
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• 1:09:53
  So
• 1:09:54
  find
• 1:09:54
  your
• 1:09:54
  people.
• 1:09:55
  You
• 1:09:55
  got
• 1:09:55
  it.
• 1:09:56
  Well
• 1:09:56
  said.
• 1:09:56
  Thanks,
• 1:09:56
  Marvin.
• 1:09:57
  I
• 1:09:57
  appreciate
• 1:09:57
  you
• 1:09:57
  having
• 1:09:57
  me
• 1:09:58
  on.
• 1:09:58
  Oh,
• 1:09:58
  it's
• 1:09:58
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• 1:09:59
  great.
• 1:09:59
  Have
• 1:09:59
  a
• 1:09:59
  great
• 1:09:59
  evening.
• 1:10:01
  Well,
• 1:10:01
  folks,
• 1:10:01
  we
• 1:10:02
  hope
• 1:10:02
  you
• 1:10:02
  enjoyed
• 1:10:02
  the
• 1:10:02
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• 1:10:03
  as
• 1:10:03
  much
• 1:10:03
  as
• 1:10:03
  we
• 1:10:03
  enjoyed
• 1:10:04
  bringing
• 1:10:04
  it
• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:06
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• 1:10:06
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• 1:10:08
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