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You Only Think You Know The Lansky Legacy From Meyer Lansky II · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: start it off by asking this question. What is it
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Speaker 1: like for you to know inside your heart that everybody
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Speaker 1: thinks they know your grandfather? It's like they think they know,
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Speaker 1: but now that with this book, they're going to go,
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Speaker 1: I did not know this. Oh, I had it wrong
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Speaker 1: all these years.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you for having me here.
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Speaker 2: My grandfather is Was just a normal grandfather to me.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was his namesake. And every time I
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Speaker 2: would see him in Florida or he'd come out to
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Speaker 2: Washington State where I lived, you know, we'd go buy clothes.
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Speaker 2: He'd ask me how things are going. He was very
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Speaker 2: on top of my grades and what I was going
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Speaker 2: to do in my future sports, you know, working out.
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Speaker 2: We used to do we used to power walk together
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Speaker 2: in Florida, Miami Beach. He loved to swim. You know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of those guys were very athletic. You know,
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Speaker 2: of course, that goes with the fact that they, you know,
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Speaker 2: were a lot of them booked a lot of bets.
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Speaker 2: So they knew sports very well. And, you know, just
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Speaker 2: a very normal grandfather, except I got I have to
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Speaker 2: say it was, you know, sometimes it would get a
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Speaker 2: little bit stressful for me because he would question me
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Speaker 2: a lot about things, you know. And I'd have to
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Speaker 2: know the answer, you know, whether it be school or
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Speaker 2: politics or sports. And if I didn't, you'd let me know.
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Speaker 1: Well, I've always looked at them as being like rock stars.
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Speaker 1: You know, unless you really physically know that they are
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Speaker 1: a rock star, down deep inside, they're family guys. They're
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Speaker 1: everyday people. They're inquisitive. They want to learn just like
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Speaker 1: everybody else. And then one day they slip on a
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Speaker 1: pair of Gene Simmons big old shoes and he's on
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Speaker 1: that stage. And that's the way I look at what's
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Speaker 1: going on with the– you know with everything with with
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Speaker 1: your grandfather it's everything that i've ever known about him
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Speaker 1: he's just a dude he's just an everyday guy who
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Speaker 1: happened to have a job yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know he was a very smart guy yeah he
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Speaker 2: never he kept a lot of things to himself he
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Speaker 2: never talked about his business or you know i i
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Speaker 2: touched on it a couple times um as because i
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Speaker 2: was very curious obviously and uh you'd say, Meyer, don't
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Speaker 2: believe everything you read. And he knew at that point that,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was starting to find out who he was. And, uh,
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Speaker 2: but he kept everything just, like I said, you know,
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Speaker 2: just a good grandfather, you know, instructing me, making sure
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Speaker 2: I'm doing the right thing and keep it on top of, uh,
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Speaker 2: me personally, you know, to guide me somewhat. My dad
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Speaker 2: was a very busy guy. He was an engineer and,
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Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have quite the time with me
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Speaker 2: that my grandfather did. So he'd always fill in and
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Speaker 2: help me and make sure things were going right.
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Speaker 1: I love the story that you share when it comes
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Speaker 1: to World War II and the Naval Intelligence needed him
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Speaker 1: for different things. I, you know, these are the stories
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Speaker 1: that you don't find anywhere unless you're picking up your book,
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Speaker 1: the Lansky legacy, because this is really the roots of
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Speaker 1: what I love to read.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Uh, the Naval intelligence actually came to my grandfather.
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Speaker 2: They came to the docks first, you know, he had
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Speaker 2: Albert Anastasia and, uh, people running those docks at that time.
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Speaker 2: And they knew that. And he said, we need some help.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're getting bombed here by the U boats
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Speaker 2: and they're sinking our ships up and down the Eastern seaboard.
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Speaker 2: Can you help us? And they, nobody had talked to him.
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Speaker 2: And then, you know, he went to the, uh, to
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Speaker 2: a lawyer, an attorney and said, why is this? And
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Speaker 2: he said, well, I know who you need to talk to.
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Speaker 2: You need to talk to Meyer Lansky. So it was
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Speaker 2: a covert operation. Luciano was in prison up in Denimorum and, uh,
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Speaker 2: my grandfather and, uh, his lawyer went to see Luciano
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Speaker 2: and said, we need help. You know, they're, they're, we're
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Speaker 2: having problems. My grandfather was encouraging the Italians to be patriotic. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they said they'd love to, you know, help out.
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Speaker 2: So what they did was, you know, they had the
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Speaker 2: unions in the hotels, bartenders, waiters, they would plant people
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Speaker 2: in there. And if they'd hear anybody that was speaking
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Speaker 2: German or whatever, they would overhear them and they just
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Speaker 2: call the FBI. They don't have them arrested. They didn't
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Speaker 2: kill them or anything like that. They just outed them.
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Speaker 2: Eventually cleaned everything up.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the Italians, I love the way that you
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Speaker 1: write the story about something, again, that we don't even know.
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Speaker 1: The way that, you know, and I wish that your
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Speaker 1: grandfather would get credit for this, but he brought groups together. Sure,
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Speaker 1: illegal or illegal, either way, they brought groups together. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the Jewish and the Italian criminal groups. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: to me. It brought people together. And I wish I
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Speaker 1: could have been a fly on the wall during those
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Speaker 1: meetings because I swear to God, the rest of us
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Speaker 1: would have learned something. Big time for that.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, my grandpa's whole idea was to get
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Speaker 2: away from the violence and turn it into a corporate situation.
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Speaker 2: He got together with Luciano. There was a lot of, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, hijacking of during prohibition, people got murdered and
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Speaker 2: killed stealing each other's liquor. Um, And at one point,
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Speaker 2: they had a meeting and they said, look, we've got
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Speaker 2: to stop this. We have to work together. The Italians,
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Speaker 2: some of them weren't really happy about involving Jews, but
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Speaker 2: Luciano was a great leader and he convinced them to say,
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Speaker 2: we have to work together. Otherwise, the law enforcement's going
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Speaker 2: to be all over us. The public's going to turn
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Speaker 2: away from us and we're not going to make the
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Speaker 2: money we could make if we work together. So That happened.
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Speaker 2: They all worked together, and it was a smooth running
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Speaker 2: business at one point.
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Speaker 1: I was shocked to learn that Lucky and Bugsy were
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Speaker 1: both a part of his childhood. I did not know that.
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Speaker 1: Why is it that even in a Hollywood movie, we
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Speaker 1: don't know that story?
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you see it a little bit in
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Speaker 2: some of the movies that have been made. Itty bitty.
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Speaker 2: Itty bitty. Itty bitty, right. No, my grandfather and Ben
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Speaker 2: Siegel were close friends from the start. They met on
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Speaker 2: the Lower East Side of New York City during a
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Speaker 2: craps game. He had heard about Ben. My great-grandparents actually
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Speaker 2: went to the same synagogue that Ben Siegel's parents went to.
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Speaker 2: And he saw Ben in action for what he was
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Speaker 2: known for. A fight broke out during a crap game,
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Speaker 2: and a gun was dropped on the ground. Ben picked
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Speaker 2: it up and was going to shoot this cop that
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Speaker 2: was running at him. And he said, no, you're bugs.
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Speaker 2: He grabbed him. And he pulled them away. My grandfather did.
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Speaker 2: And he said, you're crazy. They would have, you would
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Speaker 2: have had a record. He would have been known. He
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Speaker 2: can't do that. Well, Ben listened to him. He usually
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Speaker 2: never listened to anybody. So somehow that relationship, they were
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Speaker 2: two polar opposites. You know, he was conservative. My grandfather
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Speaker 2: was low key. Ben was, you know, just, you know,
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Speaker 2: he had a wild side to him. So that was
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Speaker 2: very unusual for both of them to come together and
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Speaker 2: be friends. And they were, His whole life, basically.
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Speaker 1: So very easily you could have started the book right
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Speaker 1: there and everybody would have been satisfied. But you even
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Speaker 1: go deeper than that, because I didn't know that he
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Speaker 1: was from Belarus. And I just wish that I could
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Speaker 1: have been in the vicinity of what his first glimpse
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Speaker 1: was of the United States as a nine year old
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I now have a new country
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to live in.
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Speaker 2: He didn't know.
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Speaker 1: And I think that this generation right here does not
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Speaker 1: know what happened on Ellis Island or during those days.
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Speaker 1: And it's stories like this that is the true Americana
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Speaker 1: root of who we are today.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You know, when he came to the United States,
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Speaker 2: it was just as hard as it was in his
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Speaker 2: other country, in Belarus. But, you know, you didn't have
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Speaker 2: the persecution, but it was dirty. It was hot. Everybody
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Speaker 2: crammed in little, you know, tenements and he didn't stay
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Speaker 2: home a lot. I never asked him this, but my
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Speaker 2: dad said that, you know, when you'd ask him about
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Speaker 2: his childhood, he said it was so hard. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to talk about it. And, you know, I just
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Speaker 2: let it go at that. But very difficult situations. There
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Speaker 2: was language barriers. There was, you know, big families. And
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Speaker 2: usually the father just made enough money to get by
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Speaker 2: and feed his family in a place to live. And
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Speaker 2: that was it. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Him not wanting to talk about it reminds me so
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Speaker 1: much of my own father. Was that a generational thing?
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Speaker 1: Because it seems like we today, you can't get us
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Speaker 1: to shut up. I mean, we'll talk about anything about
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Speaker 1: our personal lives.
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Speaker 2: Right. I think it was part of the he was right.
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Speaker 2: It was just a hard time. He didn't want to
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Speaker 2: bring him even as a grown man, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because, I mean, that right there, that was the
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Speaker 1: silent generation. I mean, come on, he's in Belarus in 1902.
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Speaker 1: That is the silent generation around the world. I know
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Speaker 1: they put so much focus on the United States. I
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Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it's a global thing what
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Speaker 1: happened in that generation.
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Speaker 2: Oh, probably. Yeah, you know, every generation has, you know,
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Speaker 2: its conditions. I mean, today it's totally, you know, we
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Speaker 2: have everything. They didn't have it back then. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: they had a different mindset.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Now, and then, I mean, for you personally, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've gone to Havana lately, but is
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Speaker 1: it not in the same exact array of colors, the
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Speaker 1: design of the buildings? It'd be like stepping back into
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Speaker 1: your grandfather's world and it's still there. Like where my grandparents,
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Speaker 1: none of it exists anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Cuba is still, the hotel is still there. Recently,
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Speaker 2: the diving platform that he built, which is just a
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Speaker 2: beautiful part of the hotel itself, caved in. And, of course,
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Speaker 2: there's no money to fix it. It's just sitting in
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Speaker 2: disrepair now. But, you know, the National and some of
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Speaker 2: the buildings there are still very nice and taken care of.
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Speaker 2: beautiful place. And I've never been there personally. We'll see
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Speaker 2: in the future.
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Speaker 1: I love the name of the book, The Lansky Legacy.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be right back with Meyer Lansky II.
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Speaker 1: The book is called The Lansky Legacy. It is everything
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Speaker 1: you think you know, but now you do from Meyer
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Speaker 1: Lansky II. Maybe I'm just a sick fool like that,
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Speaker 1: that I just love history so much. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: I want to be where they're writing about.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to be there and see exactly where,
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Speaker 2: you know, he really, he loved Cuba to begin with.
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Speaker 2: He got along very well with Batista. He pulled a
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Speaker 2: lot of the Cubans out of poverty by training them to,
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Speaker 2: you know, be dealers and waiters and everything that goes
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Speaker 2: with a casino hotel. He didn't get involved with, you know,
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Speaker 2: Batista's ideas or anything with the politics part of it
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Speaker 2: or anything like that. He just wanted to, you know,
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Speaker 2: build a gambling empire. It would have been What was that,
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Speaker 2: 69 years ago? So it would have been probably beyond Vegas,
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Speaker 2: you know, by now. I mean, I'm sure, you know,
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Speaker 2: they would have been highly competitive. And he wanted to
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Speaker 2: develop the industry over there. And he loved the people
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Speaker 2: and the area and everything that goes with it.
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Speaker 1: See, that's every bit the reason why when somebody asks
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Speaker 1: me about your grandfather, I will sit there underneath my
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Speaker 1: breath and I'll go shapeshifter. And they'll go, what do
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Speaker 1: you mean shapeshifter? I said, because everywhere he went, he
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Speaker 1: shaped everything. He shifted things to where, like you said,
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Speaker 1: that people got jobs, people's lives changed. He was not
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Speaker 1: afraid of shapeshifting.
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Speaker 2: Oh, not at all. No, that was his whole intention.
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Speaker 2: He went over there full bore to thinking he was
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Speaker 2: going to develop, you know. up and down the coast
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Speaker 2: of that island. I mean, it would have been absolutely
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Speaker 2: phenomenal at this point. It would have been an awesome
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Speaker 2: place to, you could go from Cuba to Las Vegas
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Speaker 2: in this modern day. And you've got two different styles of,
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Speaker 2: you know, an area, tropical, beautiful place. And then you
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Speaker 2: come to the desert in the winter. That would have
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Speaker 2: been incredible. Plus he loved being in, you know, the
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Speaker 2: country itself, the people and everything that he worked with.
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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I'm really highly
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Speaker 1: jealous of you about is that you got to sit
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Speaker 1: there and look at the personal papers. Because I'm a writer.
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Speaker 1: I've been daily writing for 34 years. I'm very inspired
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Speaker 1: by other people's writing. You got to be there in
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Speaker 1: that writing. First of all, and every writer's going to
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Speaker 1: understand this, what did it smell like? Because you know
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Speaker 1: what it's like when it comes to writing. That ink
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Speaker 1: has a scent to it, and so does the paper.
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Speaker 1: What did you feel in those moments of holding yesterday
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Speaker 1: in your present?
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Speaker 2: You know, some of it's similar to today. It's treated
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Speaker 2: differently back then. Like you said, you know, the generation
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Speaker 2: that he was from didn't get so rattled by things
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Speaker 2: that today people do get rattled by. But the same things,
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Speaker 2: you know, there was persecution. There was problems with politics.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. He, as you know, at that time.
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Speaker 2: My grandfather, you know, he just tried to keep a
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Speaker 2: happy life for himself and his family. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: he would talk about everything he was doing and how
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Speaker 2: he's working with Batista and what he thought about, you know,
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Speaker 2: who gets a gambling license, who doesn't. I mean, there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of things that bothered him, but he
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Speaker 2: kept them to himself pretty much. But I saw, you know,
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Speaker 2: what his life was like in those major times. Times
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Speaker 2: when he had the casino, when he went to Israel
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff and what he thought and felt
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Speaker 2: about it at that time.
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Speaker 1: And when you bring that away, you just shifted a
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Speaker 1: gear here, because when you said about going to Israel
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Speaker 1: and things, because that's one of the things that's been
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Speaker 1: in our modern day headlines now. is to be able
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Speaker 1: to get the casinos or that nightlife into that area
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Speaker 1: over there. And now, in reading this book and stuff,
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Speaker 1: it's like, wait a second. What were they trying to
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Speaker 1: kind of solve or cure in this day of your
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Speaker 1: grandfather that really brought some love and life to these
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Speaker 1: areas through the way of gambling and or business? Because
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to do it in other areas
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Speaker 1: of the world today. And I think a book like
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Speaker 1: yours is going to serve as a building block of going, hey...
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Speaker 1: if Meyer did it over here, why can't we do
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Speaker 1: it now? If you know what I mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's like, you see, it's
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Speaker 2: a different time. A lot of things were done in
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Speaker 2: cash back then. There wasn't the social media we have
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Speaker 2: today where everybody's seen doing anything they're doing. Um, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, you know, today it would be a whole
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Speaker 2: different structure. Uh, in his time, you know, you didn't
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Speaker 2: have all that. Yeah. It was simpler. You know, you
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Speaker 2: didn't have the surveillance you have today. Um, A lot
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Speaker 2: of things were done in cash. You didn't have a
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Speaker 2: lot of the records that are obviously today have receipts
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Speaker 2: and credit cards. And so you'd have to be approached differently.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of surveillance and stuff, I mean, what was it
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Speaker 1: like having a co-creator with you? I mean, come on,
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Speaker 1: we got to give SJ some goddamn credit here, man,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, the two of you put this thing
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Speaker 1: together and there's going to be a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning, that think they know
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Speaker 1: the story and they're about ready to get the story.
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Speaker 2: That's true. Well, Sandy Penny was wonderful. She is wonderful.
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Speaker 2: We talked to her every Sunday for the last three years, uh,
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Speaker 2: and other times too, but, uh, I gave my story personally,
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Speaker 2: you know, to her and she wrote it all down.
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Speaker 2: What a writer she is. You know, and it's just
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Speaker 2: wonderful working with her. She's a good friend and she
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Speaker 2: came out to LA. We do have a second book
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Speaker 2: coming out in 2027 called Bugsy and the Flamingo. Uh,
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Speaker 2: which is very interesting. We'll be out in Los Angeles and,
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Speaker 2: you know, doing some research on Ben Siegel. But, you know,
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Speaker 2: she's just very good at what she does. What can
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Speaker 2: I say? She's a great writer. And it's been a
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Speaker 2: pleasure being with her for, you know, this time period. So.
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Speaker 1: Your grandfather has always been looked upon as being a
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Speaker 1: great financial man. And I'm going to compare this to
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Speaker 1: my daughter who took linguistics at UCLA and we didn't
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Speaker 1: understand it. But now she is a genius when it
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Speaker 1: comes to numbers. Did your grandfather know a lot of
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Speaker 1: languages to understand the numbers language? Hopefully I opened that
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Speaker 1: door enough there to where, in other words, it was
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Speaker 1: just another language to him to learn and master.
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Speaker 2: You know, he was born that way. And I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people would have these amazing abilities you
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Speaker 2: see in today's world. Even you can't learn. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can learn and study and back yourself up, but
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Speaker 2: you have to have that mind to begin with, you know,
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Speaker 2: and he just had that at nine years old. He watched,
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Speaker 2: you know, as a, as a immigrant, poor little Jewish guy,
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Speaker 2: he'd watched these street craps games. And not only did
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Speaker 2: he figure out the odds and who was winning and
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Speaker 2: who was the shill, He'd see the men standing behind
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Speaker 2: the crowd that was gambling and said, there's more to
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Speaker 2: this story. There's bigger people involved that come in and
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Speaker 2: really control these games. And he figured that out, too. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, he just at birth, he just born to
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Speaker 2: be the way he is. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 1: I just want to say he was a journalist, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't pay enough money. So therefore, he had to
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Speaker 1: go the family way and just say, look, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to make my money elsewhere. But I can do that
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Speaker 1: journalist thing because I'm good at investigating stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But what was it like, do you think for him
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Speaker 1: to go to a Yankees game? Cause I always envisioned
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Speaker 1: that that was a place of business to go shake
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Speaker 1: hands and kiss babies and to be seen somewhere. It
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Speaker 1: was like the social media of that generation. Or was
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Speaker 1: it that he went there to enjoy the game of baseball?
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Speaker 2: Oh, he loves sports. Uh, you know, and the Yankees
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Speaker 2: of course was his team for baseball. Um, No, he'd
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Speaker 2: just go to the games. My grandfather never wanted to
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Speaker 2: stand out. He was a lot different than, let's say,
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Speaker 2: Al Capone or Ben Siegel. He would just blend in
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Speaker 2: with the crowd. He'd try to underplay who he was,
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Speaker 2: if anything. He'd bring my dad and my uncle together
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Speaker 2: to the games, and they'd sit there and watch the Yankees.
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Speaker 2: Just as a family, man, they all enjoyed the sport.
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Speaker 2: And then boxing was big back then, too. My dad
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Speaker 2: told me once he met– You know, some of the
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Speaker 2: biggest names in Rocky Marciano and, you know, Jack Dempsey,
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Speaker 2: went to shake his hand at 13. And he said,
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Speaker 2: he's one of these guys, when you shake hands with him,
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Speaker 2: your hand disappears. Yeah, it does. His hands were so big.
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Speaker 2: Nobody remembers meeting him, but my grandfather knew him. And
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Speaker 2: they used to watch Ernest Hemingway spar at a place
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Speaker 2: called George Brown's Gym in New York City back in
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Speaker 2: the 40s. And, you know, I just... Before my dad
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Speaker 2: passed away a couple years ago in his 90s, I said,
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Speaker 2: what was that like being there? He said, oh, my God,
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Speaker 2: it was amazing growing up like that. You can imagine
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Speaker 2: all these legends.
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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about what
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Speaker 1: you're up to? And like you said, there's other projects
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Speaker 1: that are in the works, and I want them to
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Speaker 1: be able to give you that love and support through
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Speaker 1: the entire journey, dude.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a website, realmeyerlansky.com, that you can– Get
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Speaker 2: my book off the Dalasky Legacy can be purchased there.
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Speaker 2: And it also I tell you everything I'm doing here
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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. I work with Caesars at the Bugsy
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Speaker 2: and Flamingo. It's called Bugsy and Meyer Steakhouse at the
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Speaker 2: Flamingo Hotel. And I'm down there quite a bit entertaining
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Speaker 2: and talking to different people. people about just what we're
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Speaker 2: talking about right now especially now that my book's out so.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god You got to come back to this
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Speaker 1: show anytime in the future because the door is always
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Speaker 1: going to be open for you. I'm so fascinated with
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Speaker 1: this period of time because I believe that I'm reincarnated
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Speaker 1: from that era. And it's like, I just feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm home when I jump into it like this. And
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Speaker 1: your book makes me feel like I'm home, dude. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: I'd be glad to jump back on with you at
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Speaker 2: any time. And of course, like I said, we do
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Speaker 2: have a second book coming out in 2027. And Sandy Penny,
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Speaker 2: by the way, will be the op co-author. I love it, man.
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, sir. Okay. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate talking
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Speaker 2: to you.