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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 1) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. Now that the Epstein files have started to
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  dom we're getting our hands on some documents that we've
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  been wanting to look at for quite some time. And
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  while the grand jury documents don't really change anything as
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  far as giving us new information related to new co
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  conspirators or anything like that, it does open a window
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  and how the investigation itself was initiated and how it
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  eventually led to the arrest of Glenn Maxwell. And just
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  like the other grand jury document, we took a look
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  at all the names are going to be blacked out
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  here and they're not going to give us any information
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  about people that are taking part. So like usual, I'll
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  just say redacted and we'll do question and answer. So
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  let's get started. Everybody gets sworn in and then the
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  questions begin. Question, Good morning, Answer morning. Question, Can you
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  please state your full name for the record? Answer redacted.
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  Question So I recognize that you're wearing a mask and
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  behind plexiglass, there's a microphone in front of you. If
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  you could just make an effort to speak into the
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  mic and keep your voice up, that would be great. Answer,
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  No problem. Question where do you currently work answer the
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  Federal Bureau of Investigation. Question what is your title? Answer?
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  Special agent? Question how long have you worked as a
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  special agent? Answer about three years? Question where are you
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  currently assigned? Answer? I work for on the Violent Crimes
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  Against Children's Squad? Question what are your duties and responsibilities
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  as a special agent on that squad? Answer? We investigate
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  crimes that have to do with child sexual abuse, material extortion, sextortion,
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  exploitation and enticement of minors, sex trafficking. Grandeur speaks up,
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  Maybe if she could take the mask off I'm having
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  Is anybody having difficulty understanding her? Misredacted? Thanks for letting
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  me know. Would that be okay with you? If the
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  witness took her mask off? Grandeur? We're okay with the plexiglass, right, Grandeur? Yeah? Misredacted?
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  Thanks very much, thank you? Misredacted. Question all right, So
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  I'm just going to go back and ask a few
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  of those questions again, just to make sure that everyone
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  can hear you testified earlier that you're a special agent
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  with the FBI. Is that correct? Answer? Yes? Question Where
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  you currently assigned? Answer? I work on the Violent Crimes
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  against Children's Squad? Question and what are your duties and
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  responsibilities as a special agent on that squad? Redacted? Let
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  me just pause here. Can everyone hear the witness Grandduror? Yes, misredacted? Okay,
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  thank you, and special agent redacted? If you could just
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  try to keep her voice up, I really appreciate it. It's
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  a little difficult under the circumstance by misredacted. Question, have
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  you participated in an investigation of Glaine Maxwell? Answer yes,
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  I have question. Have you spoken to other people, including
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  other law enforcement officers, about the investigation? Answer yes. Question
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  have you reviewed to reports and documents prepared by others
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  regarding the case? Answer yes. Question is your testimony today
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  based in part on those conversations with other law enforcement
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  officers and documents that you have reviewed? Answer yes, misredacted.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, let me just give you a brief instruction.
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  Some of the testimony that you'll hear today will include
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  what's called hearsay. As you know, that means that the
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  witness will not be testifying solely from her own observations,
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  but that she'll be reporting to you what others have
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  told her and what she's read in reports and documents
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  prepared by other people. Hearsay evidence is admissible in these
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  grand jury proceedings, and you're free to rely on it
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  in determining whether there's probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. If, however,
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  you would like to hear the testimony of any other witness,
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  you have the right to request it, and we will
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  make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before you by misredacted. Question,
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  Special Agent, we placed on the desk in front of
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  you a PowerPoint that is a grand jury exhibit too
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  which we're entering into the record. Do you recognize this?
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  Answer yes? Question what is it? Answer? It's a PowerPoint
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  presentation to assist in testifying today. Question did you participate
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  in preparing this exhibit in connection with your testimony today? Answer? Yes,
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  I did. Question if you could please turn to the
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  first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in these photographs? Answer?
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  The picture on the left is Glen Maxwell and the
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  picture on the right is Jeffrey Epstein with Glenn Maxwell.
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  Based on your participation in the investigation and your review
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  of the public source material, have Maxwell and Epstein been
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  photographed together many times over the years? Answer yes. Question
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  based on your participation in this investigation and your review
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  of public materials? Where is Maxwell from? Answer? Maxwell was
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  born in France, she grew up in the United Kingdom,
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  was educated at Oxford, and is from a wealthy family.
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  Question Is she a citizen of France, the United Kingdom
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  and the US? Answer yes. Question how old is she currently?
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  Answer fifty eight? Question has the FBI investigated Maxwell and
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  Epstein's conduct with miners during the nineties? Answer yes. Question
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  Generally speaking, what have you learned about the relationship between
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  Maxwell and Epstein? During the nineties? Epstein and Maxwell had
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  a romantic relationship, and she also worked for him managing
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  his homes hiring firing individuals. Question during that time period,
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  was she one of his closest associates? Answer yes. Question
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  during the course of this investigation, have you learned where
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  Epstein maintained properties in the nineties? Answer yes. Question Where
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  did he maintain properties? Answer New York, Palm Beach and
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  New Mexico. Question turning to the next slide, did he
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  maintain an address in Manhattan located at ninth East seventy
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  first Street. Answer yes. Question does this slide fairly and
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  accurately depict the residence? Answer yes. Question can you please
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  describe that property for the grand jury. Answer it's a
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  seven story home. It's located near Central Park. It's reportedly
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  the largest residence in Manhattan. Question, based on your participation
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  in this investigation, did that house include a room that
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  was used as a massage room? Answer? Yes it did.
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  Question all right, We'll talk more about that later, but
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  for now, moving on to the other properties. Did he
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  maintain an address in Palm Beach, Florida, located at three
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  point fifty eight Elbrio Way. Answer yes. Question turning to
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  the next slide. Does this side fairly and accurately depict
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  that residence? Answer? Yes it does. Question could you please
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  describe that property for a grand jury? Answer it's a
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  waterfront to state it had an in ground pool and
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  detached dwelling or a poolhouse on the property as well.
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  Question and from your participation in this investigation and your
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  review of other material, did that house include a room
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  that was used as a massage room? Answer yes. Question
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  turning to the next property. Did Epstein also own a
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  ranch in New Mexico? Answer yes he did. Question and
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  turning to the next slide, was that property located at
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  forty nine Zoro Ranch Road in Stanley, New Mexico. Answer yes.
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  Question looking at the photograph on this slide, does this
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  accurately depict that property? Answer yes, it does. Question, and
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  we've been talking about the properties that Epstein owned during
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  the time period. Did he also own a private jet?
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  Answer yes. Question is it fair to say that he
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  was a multi millionaire during this time period? Answer yes.
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  Question during the nineteen nineties, did Epstein have an employee
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  redacted who ran his house and beach? Answer yes, he did.
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  Question what was his job? Answer? His job was making
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  sure that everything in the house ran smoothly. He referred.
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  He described that Epstein liked to have his house run
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  like a five star hotel and that everything had to
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  be in its proper place, so he was responsible for
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  managing that question. Have you interviewed or redacted? Answer yes,
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  question how many times? Answer twice? Question and is the
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  information you're about to provide based on your interview with redacted?
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  Answer yes. Question did redacted begin working for Epstein in
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  the early nineties? Answer yes he did. Question and at
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  that time redacted came to work for Epstein in Palm Beach.
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  Was Epstein dating Glene Maxwell at that point? Answer not
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  at that time? Question was it a few years before
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  Epstein began dating Maxwell after Redacted started working there. Answer yes,
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  Question from what redacted told you? How did Redacted's work
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  change once Maxwell arrived on the scene. Answer Redactive described
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  Epstein as being more pleasant to work with prior to
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  Maxwell coming into the picture. Once she came into the picture,
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  he said, things became more secretive. He wasn't allowed to
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  be in the room with guests, wasn't allowed to talk
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  with them, associate with them. It became a different environment. Question,
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  and you talked about some of those rules that were
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  placed changing. Were there any rule changes about eye contact
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  once Maxwell began staying in the Palm Beach house. Answer yes,
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  wasn't allowed to make eye contact with Epstein and others.
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  Question in general, how did you describe what it was
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  like to work for Maxwell? Answer he said it was
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  very demanding. She was on top of them all the time.
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  He described her as a bitch. Question is that the
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  word he used? Answer? That's the word he used. Question
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  shifting gears. I want to talk to you about someone
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  else that you've interviewed during this investigation. During this investigation,
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  you have participated in inner views with an individual named redacted.
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  Answer yes, so for these purposes, I'm just going to
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  refer to her as redacted. Is that okay? Answer yes?
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  Question How many times have you interviewed or redacted? Answer
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  approximately five times. Question If you could please just page
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  through the next two slides in front of you. Are
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  these photographs of redacted? Answer yes? Question is it your
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  understanding that these photographs to pict redacted from approximately ages
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  thirteen to approximately seventeen? Answer? Yes, it does. Question, Okay,
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  let's take a look at some other photographs. I'm going
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  to publish the next two slides. Is redacted? State of
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  birth redacted? Answer yes. Question and are these two photographs
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  of redacted? Answer yes they are. Question if you could
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  turn to the second slide of photographs, are these also
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  photographs of redacted? Answer yes. Question based on your participation
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  in this investigation and your interviews with redacted? Where was
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  she living when she was approximately fourteen? Answer? She was
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  living in Palm Beach, Florida. Question who was she living
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  with when she was fourteen? Answer her mother and her siblings.
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  Question what was her whole life like at that time? Answer?
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  At that time her father had passed away the year prior,
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  so the family was struggling financially and having some difficulties.
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  Question what did Redacted's father do before he passed away?
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  What was his profession? Answer he was involved in the redacted?
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  Question was redacted involved in the redacted? Answer? Yes, she was.
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  Question were her siblings? Answer yes? Question what redacted were
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  they involved in? Answer? Singing he was a singer. Question
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  like what kind of singer? Answer opera question in the
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  summer of ninety four? How old was redacted? Answer? She
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  was thirteen going on fourteen. Question you testified earlier that
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  our birthday is in redacted? So did she turn fourteen
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  in redacted of nineteen ninety four? Answer yes. Question what
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  did she do that summer? Answer she attended an arts
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  camp at Interlochan Center for the Arts. Question and his
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  Interlocan Summer Arts program located in Michigan. Answer yes. Question
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  did redacted meet Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell that summer? Answer?
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  Yes she did. Question did she meet them at summer camp?
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  Answer yes? Question what did she tell you about that? Answer?
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  She said that she was sitting at a picnic table
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  with friends when Epstein and Maxwell walk by. They stopped
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  to talk to her. Engaged during conversation, asked her if
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  she liked her classes, her teachers. During that conversation, they
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  found out that she was also from Palm Beach, that
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  he said that he'd give her scholarships to students. Question
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  how did they leave the conversation? Was there any contact
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  information exchanged? Answer? They asked for a redacted's phone number.
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  Question and as part of your investigation, have you attempted
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  to gather records to corroborate that redacted? Maxwell and Epstein?
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  We're all at the summer camp, that summer answer. Yes,
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  all right, folks, who are gonna wrap up right here
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
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  information that goes with this episode can be found in
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