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Ashy Bines’ Tone Deaf Euro Trip · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Ashley Bynes'
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  Speaker 1: controversial kid-free Euro trip, the fallout from the Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: and Bailey Smith new romance, and Chloe Zep's remorse over
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  Speaker 1: the closure of her activewear line. But first, Taylor Swift
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  Speaker 1: has announced she's entering a new era. the singer-songwriter revealed
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  Speaker 1: she's releasing her 12th studio album, Diary of a Showgirl,
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  Speaker 1: in October. Taylor shared the news on her boyfriend Travis
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey's podcast, but the announcement has been overshadowed by the
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  Speaker 1: revelation that Taylor Swift has actually been in her sourdough
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  Speaker 1: era since finishing her epic tour.
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  Speaker 2: The sourdough has taken over my life in a huge way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really talking about bread. Uh, 60% of the time it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's become, it's become a huge, huge factor.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and she's getting good with making all these
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  Speaker 3: different versions of it.
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  Speaker 1: I could listen to Taylor Swift talk about sourdough for hours.
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  Speaker 1: This is right up my alley because I've only recently
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  Speaker 1: started getting into bread making. I just felt like at
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  Speaker 1: one with Taylor, I'm like, we're the same. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you're mega famous and rich, but we also both like
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  Speaker 1: making bread. Like, could she be any more relatable? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was really nice just to hear Taylor talking normally
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  Speaker 1: because she is so down to earth. And we haven't
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  Speaker 1: really got to see that side of her for a
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  Speaker 1: while because she's been on the era's tour and it's
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  Speaker 1: been so pumped up in the media. She's almost become
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  Speaker 1: this godlike entity to people. Yeah, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: one of Taylor Swift's superpowers. She can remain so relatable,
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  Speaker 1: yet she is this mega superstar. And I think it
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  Speaker 1: was a good move to have her on Travis's podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot's been said about, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, why is she announcing the news of her
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  Speaker 1: album on her boyfriend's podcast? But as she said on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, it was just a cool, fun way to
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  Speaker 1: share the news. And it was a surprising way, like
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  Speaker 1: no one was expecting it. And no one was expecting
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  Speaker 1: the chat about the sourdough and also otters.
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  Speaker 2: This is where the internet is a good place where
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  Speaker 2: you can curate a reality where all I really use
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  Speaker 2: the internet for is sourdough and when Travis shows me
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  Speaker 2: videos of otters on his Instagram algorithm.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting animal. I want a wild otter so bad.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to find these little creatures.
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  Speaker 1: And be friends with them.
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  Speaker 3: Why a wild one? Aren't they all wild? No, there's domestic.
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  Speaker 2: He wants one specifically whose life he saved. who knows
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  Speaker 2: that he's saved his life. It's a really specific type
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  Speaker 2: of otter he's looking for.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor herself joked on this podcast episode that when they
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  Speaker 1: first got together, people must have been like, what do
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  Speaker 1: they talk about? I mean, I could never have guessed
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  Speaker 1: that this is what they spoke about, but I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a tweet that someone put up and they said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to give any spoilers for those who
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  Speaker 1: haven't listened to the podcast, but this is what it's about.
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  Speaker 1: And they put a photo of an otter and a
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  Speaker 1: sourdough loaf. I couldn't believe that the podcast was two
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  Speaker 1: hours long. I know that is usually the length of
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  Speaker 1: the New Heights episodes, but I was like, oh, maybe
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift will only be on it for a short time.
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  Speaker 1: But it was so good to hear her in this
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  Speaker 1: long form content. And she opened up about so many
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  Speaker 1: interesting things. It got me even more excited for her
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  Speaker 1: new album coming out because it sounds like she's taken
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  Speaker 1: a bit of feedback on board off the back of
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  Speaker 1: the Tortured Poets. I have to say the Tortured Poets
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  Speaker 1: has been my favorite album she's released in the last
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  Speaker 1: four albums. So I much prefer to over Folklore, Evermore,
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  Speaker 1: and also Midnight. However, a lot of music critics are
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  Speaker 1: saying it was too long. There were too many songs.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the real Swifties that enjoyed that album,
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  Speaker 1: the real hardcore fans. But it seems like this album
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  Speaker 1: is more for everyone else. Like she said, it's only
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  Speaker 1: going to be 12 songs for a 12th album. She's
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that there's no surprise second bonus album. And she
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  Speaker 1: said it really encapsulates music. what her life has been
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  Speaker 1: like behind the curtain while she was on the Ears tour.
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  Speaker 1: She said it's infectious joy. And Travis said that there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of bangers. And I noticed
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  Speaker 1: there's a song on the album called Honey, which is
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  Speaker 1: pretty interesting off the back of Travis Kelsey appearing in
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  Speaker 1: Happy Gilmore too. Well, in that movie, he had honey
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  Speaker 1: poured all over him. Taylor confirmed that she wasn't dressed
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  Speaker 1: as the bear that poured the honey on him.
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  Speaker 2: I fly out to Europe tomorrow night, so I thought
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  Speaker 2: I'd do a little haul of some last-minute things that
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  Speaker 2: I just put up at the shop.
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  Speaker 1: Ashy Binds' two-week Euro trip is causing controversy for more
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  Speaker 1: reasons than one. The OG fitness influencer initially divided opinions...
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  Speaker 1: when she announced she was holidaying kid-free for the second
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  Speaker 1: time this year. However, it was Ashi's decision to film
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  Speaker 1: and share content at a Holocaust remembrance site that truly
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  Speaker 1: angered people. Now, before we get into that side of things,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about this kid-free holiday aspect because
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  Speaker 1: it's not the first time Ashi has been criticized for
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  Speaker 1: holidaying without her children. In 2022, she was forced to
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  Speaker 1: defend herself after she left her three-month-old daughter, Tala, at
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  Speaker 1: home with her husband while she went on a girl's
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  Speaker 1: weekend away. At the time, Ashley called out the hypocrisy saying,
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  Speaker 1: if a dad went away for 48 hours, no one
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  Speaker 1: would say anything. She also questioned what was wrong with
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  Speaker 1: leaving her children with their father. Ashley was again then
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  Speaker 1: criticized this time last year when she left her daughter
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  Speaker 1: at home again with her dad to travel solo with
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  Speaker 1: her eight-year-old son, Taj. More recently, in May, Ashley was
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  Speaker 1: labeled selfish online after she went on a girl's trip
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  Speaker 1: to Bali without her family. Amy, how do you feel
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  Speaker 1: about Ashley leaving her kids at home? Well, They do
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  Speaker 1: have a father that is looking after them in those
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  Speaker 1: examples that you provided. So I see nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: her actually going and having a holiday with her friends.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, mums do need a break as well. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to say that no one would blink an
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  Speaker 1: eyelid if Ashley's husband, Steve, did the same thing. But recently,
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  Speaker 1: Steph Clare Smith's husband, Josh Miller, was called out for
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  Speaker 1: doing just that. It was a slightly different scenario though,
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  Speaker 1: because Josh is the children's primary caregiver. Billy, their daughter,
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  Speaker 1: was also a newborn. So slightly different. I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Tala was three months old, so just still unfair to
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  Speaker 1: be called out like that, I think. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: can understand the criticism a little bit more this time
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  Speaker 1: around because Ashley and Steve are both away from their children.
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  Speaker 1: I still think this backlash is unfair. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: kids are probably with a family member having a great
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  Speaker 1: time themselves, but I think I would go on a
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  Speaker 1: holiday without Harry if my parents said, oh, we'll look
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  Speaker 1: after him for a few days. I don't really see
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  Speaker 1: anything wrong with that because I think sometimes you do
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  Speaker 1: need a bit of a break. Yeah, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days. It's two weeks away from your kids.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Tala is three and Taj is nine. Surely
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  Speaker 1: they could have brought the nine-year-old. I mean, I probably
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go to Europe with a three-year-old, but
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  Speaker 1: I think in this instance, maybe then just don't go
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  Speaker 1: on a holiday and wait until your kids are a
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  Speaker 1: little bit older. Like, I'm a bit old school. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to leave my kids at home. I want
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  Speaker 1: to bring them with me and share those ventures together.
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  Speaker 1: In saying that, I wouldn't be taking a toddler to
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  Speaker 1: Europe either. No, I heard Ash Wicks talking on his
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  Speaker 1: podcast about it and he and his wife are going
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  Speaker 1: to Bali, I think it was for a week, and
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  Speaker 1: he said they previously bought the kids but it was
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  Speaker 1: so hellish that they decided not to take them this time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he said it was kind of awful for
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  Speaker 1: everybody involved. I suppose it's personal preference and I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: just thrilled for Steve that he got the call up
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  Speaker 1: because it seems like a well-deserved trip for him considering
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  Speaker 1: that he has solo parented whilst Ashley has been away
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  Speaker 1: on numerous holidays. So the couple ended up traveling business
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  Speaker 1: class to Poland with a stopover in Singapore and Turkey.
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  Speaker 1: And Ashley posted on TikTok making light that she was
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  Speaker 1: a passenger princess and that Steve had booked everything for
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  Speaker 1: their trip. And it kind of made more sense when
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  Speaker 1: Ashley revealed on her Instagram story where they were first
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  Speaker 1: going in Poland. So from the back of the car,
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  Speaker 1: she shared that she was going to Auschwitz Museum. So
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  Speaker 1: the site used to be the largest Nazi concentration and
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  Speaker 1: extermination camp during World War II. And it's considered one
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  Speaker 1: of the most significant Holocaust remembrance sites in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what Ashley said about it.
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  Speaker 1: So I've just got a private driver that is taking
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  Speaker 1: us to the Auschwitz camp. So today is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a heavier day. That's something Steve and I have
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  Speaker 1: always wanted to go and learn about more and experience more,
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  Speaker 1: read lots of books and documentaries. And Steve watched a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of new movies coming over as well. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a very sad, heavy day. I won't be
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  Speaker 1: documenting it or vlogging it. Just out of respect, it
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't feel quite right. But yeah, I've got a
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  Speaker 1: full day out there. And yeah. Now, despite saying she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to document her visit to the museum and memorial,
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  Speaker 1: three hours later, as she shared photos from the grounds
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  Speaker 1: with the caption, this is so surreal, so fucking sad,
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  Speaker 1: there are no words. She went on to share six
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  Speaker 1: photos and 12 videos with the disclaimer that she was
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  Speaker 1: about to share sensitive content that may, quote, feel heavy
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  Speaker 1: and emotional to read or watch. Now, this vision included
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  Speaker 1: photos of the victims alongside their personal belongings and the
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  Speaker 1: barracks that they stayed in, including the toilets and the
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  Speaker 1: bunk beds. As she accompanied the vision with her personal
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  Speaker 1: thoughts from her visit, she wrote, Today we walked through Auschwitz.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anything could have prepared me for the
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  Speaker 1: weight of being here. The stillness, the silence, and the
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  Speaker 1: knowing that over 1.1 million men, women, and children were
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  Speaker 1: murdered on these very grounds. There was so much we
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  Speaker 1: weren't allowed to film out of deep respect, but this
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  Speaker 1: is the small glimpse we had permission to share. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not here to debate or answer questions. I'm simply sharing
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  Speaker 1: because so many of you have messaged saying you never
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  Speaker 1: have had the chance to come here yourselves. She finished
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  Speaker 1: up by saying that she felt heartbroken but grateful for
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  Speaker 1: the privilege of learning. Now, two hours later, it was
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  Speaker 1: a real jump scare because she then shared vision of
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  Speaker 1: her looking very glamorous, sitting on the back of what
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  Speaker 1: looked like a horse and carriage doing this royal-esque wave, pouting.
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  Speaker 1: And she went on to share photos of her and
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  Speaker 1: her husband enjoying dinner out. It just seemed totally tone
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  Speaker 1: deaf to have that off the back of this other content. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's also bizarre considering she said she wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: share any content. I mean, I'm going to use the
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  Speaker 1: word again. but I found the whole thing very tone deaf,
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  Speaker 1: especially considering what's going on in the world at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that her job is to share content,
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  Speaker 1: but have some respect. I mean, to make this big
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  Speaker 1: deal that you're not going to share content, but then
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  Speaker 1: a couple of hours later, you do the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if she felt compelled to share about it after,
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  Speaker 1: she could have just spoken directly to the camera about
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  Speaker 1: her experience rather than sharing vision from within. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what is she gaining by sharing it? That was the
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  Speaker 1: big question I had. Yeah, I think she should have
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  Speaker 1: just paid her respects rather than using it as a
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  Speaker 1: content opportunity, which it really felt like. And despite saying
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  Speaker 1: that she had permission to share this small glimpse, It
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  Speaker 1: appears to have gone against the rules stipulated on the
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  Speaker 1: museum's website. So the rules state people are allowed to
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  Speaker 1: take photos and videos for their personal records, but not
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  Speaker 1: for commercial purposes. And the photography and filming is not
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  Speaker 1: permitted in certain rooms of the site. They even listed
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  Speaker 1: specific guidelines for digital creators that said online creators need
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  Speaker 1: to get permission to produce content for their channels at
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  Speaker 1: the museum. Prior to the visit, content creators have to
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  Speaker 1: send information to the press contact, including an outline of
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  Speaker 1: the script or concept of the material and The content
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  Speaker 1: then has to be approved by the museum's press office
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  Speaker 1: before publication. Furthermore, only a museum representative is allowed to
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  Speaker 1: speak about the history of the camp, either narrating the
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  Speaker 1: history alone or in an interview format with the author.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, it seems like Ashi posted this content
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  Speaker 1: without getting approval. Oh, yeah, I don't think anyone approved
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  Speaker 1: that kind of content. I mean, it shows you just
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  Speaker 1: how sensitive this type of content is, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you have to go through all of those approvals.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's seen it. I'm assuming the news comes out. It's not... Look, okay.
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  Speaker 1: What has everyone seen, firstly, for those who might not
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  Speaker 1: have seen it?
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  Speaker 4: My ex has moved on with someone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's on a date. Tammy Hembrough has iconically responded
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  Speaker 1: to being busted on a date with AFL star Bailey
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  Speaker 1: Smith just seven weeks after announcing her divorce from Matt Sikowsky.
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  Speaker 1: The OG influencer took to TikTok to cryptically share how
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  Speaker 1: she's feeling via song mime. This is going to be
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  Speaker 1: one of Tammy's greatest talents, picking song lyrics that align
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  Speaker 1: with what's going on in her life. It's literally how
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  Speaker 1: we all picked up on the fact that her and
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  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowski were done. And she's quite the storyteller via lyrics.
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  Speaker 1: So the lyrics she chose to respond to being spotted
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  Speaker 1: with Bailey Smith were as follows.
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  Speaker 4: Don't be fucking boring. This whole town is so fucking boring.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: And there was an added Easter egg in this TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: So fans quickly picked up. that Tammy was wearing the
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  Speaker 1: same Adidas jacket Bailey Smith wore on their lunch date
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend. And funnily enough, a week prior, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: was busted wearing her ex-fiancee Reese Hawkins' jacket. So she
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  Speaker 1: was seen sporting the jacket on her Instagram story after
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: the pair reunited to celebrate their daughter's ninth birthday. However,
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  Speaker 1: that story was quickly removed. I love how Tinder are
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  Speaker 1: now trying to claim this relationship because as we discussed
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday's show, Bailey is an ambassador for Tinder. So
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  Speaker 1: under a TikTok of Bailey, they replied to a comment
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  Speaker 1: that said, well, he found Tammy just in time, writing,
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  Speaker 1: wonder where they met with the eyes emoji. Good on
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  Speaker 1: Tinder because no one believes for a second that they
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  Speaker 1: met on the app. However, their name is getting thrown
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  Speaker 1: around a lot. I mean, I think the partnership has
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  Speaker 1: paid for itself. Now I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: about Matt Sikowsky because he has hit back on his
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  Speaker 1: podcast revealing that he was the one who dumped Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: I was waiting with bated breath to see what he
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  Speaker 1: was going to say, seeing as he gave all those
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  Speaker 1: quotes to the media on Monday. The podcast ended up
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  Speaker 1: dropping a day late, which makes me think that there
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: was a bit going on behind the scenes. The same
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  Speaker 1: thing happened last time Matt addressed the Tammy situation on
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  Speaker 1: his podcast. And I suppose when life gives you lemons,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: you make lemonade, as Matt used Tammy's date as a
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  Speaker 1: hook to get listeners. So the episode was entitled Seeing
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  Speaker 1: Your Ex With Someone Else. And within a couple of
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  Speaker 1: minutes of the show starting, Matt addressed the Tammy Bailey sighting.
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  Speaker 1: So when his co-host Anna McAvoy asked him about his weekend,
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  Speaker 1: he said obviously everyone had seen what happened with Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: He then dropped this.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of months ago, I made one of the
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  Speaker 4: hardest decisions of my life. I decided to leave a
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  Speaker 4: relationship that I found was not right for me. It
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  Speaker 4: was unhealthy for me. And I made the decision for
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  Speaker 4: my mental health to leave. In doing that, it does
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  Speaker 4: not make it any easier seeing the person that you loved,
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  Speaker 4: the person that you married, move on with someone.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting off the back of Tammy being spotted with
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  Speaker 1: another guy that he has to say, oh, I'm the
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  Speaker 1: one that dumped her. Yeah. I assumed that it was
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  Speaker 1: Tammy that broke up with Matt, so I was quite
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  Speaker 1: shocked to hear this news. It just seems like a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a power play to be like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the one that dumped her, so I'm the winner
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  Speaker 1: in this situation. But then you go and talk about
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  Speaker 1: it on your podcast after saying that silence is power.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just, I think he's scrambling to catch up
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  Speaker 1: to try and get media attention around this. He went
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  Speaker 1: on to say that it's been extra difficult because of
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  Speaker 1: this relationship being in the public eye and he can't
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  Speaker 1: block it out. He then said, you know, I've been
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  Speaker 1: getting all of these messages from publication and my friends
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. And then he said that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: judging Tammy for moving on quickly. That was all fine.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't upset him, but he just thought, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wow. It's an odd decision to say all
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  Speaker 1: of these things if you don't want to be engaging
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  Speaker 1: in it all. Like, if you don't want to be involved,
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  Speaker 1: don't say anything else about it. Yeah, because if you
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to block it out, wouldn't you just stop
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  Speaker 1: talking about it? Because the media are now going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up on his side of things. Yeah, and putting
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  Speaker 1: clickbait headlines. Yeah, it seems like Tammy's decision to move
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  Speaker 1: on quickly has actually changed Matt's mind about staying silent
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  Speaker 1: on his breakup as well, because he said this.
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  Speaker 4: I know I said that I wasn't going to address...
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  Speaker 4: this any further and keep talking about it but you
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  Speaker 4: know things are going to arise as I go on
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  Speaker 4: the journey of healing and I have this platform this
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: podcast people listen every week and I think that I
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: might share my journey with them and how I'm traveling
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  Speaker 4: and how my healing is going so I'll keep you
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  Speaker 4: guys posted.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we predicted early on that this was going
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  Speaker 1: to happen it was only going to be a matter
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  Speaker 1: of time before he shared his side of the story
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  Speaker 1: and this has obviously pushed him on I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think this is game on for Matt, particularly off the
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  Speaker 1: back of him giving quotes to media. I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: after we recorded Tuesday's episode, pap shots of Matt walking
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  Speaker 1: to a cafe were published alongside the Bailey Smith, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough story. And for those who haven't seen him, in
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  Speaker 1: the photos, he's walking down the street on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: He sat out the front of a cafe in full
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  Speaker 1: sight of the cameras before choosing a table right in
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  Speaker 1: the front of a big window. Inside, he was photographed
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  Speaker 1: reading a newspaper. I mean, if this doesn't scream pap
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  Speaker 1: set up shots, then I don't know what does.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty obvious when you see photos like
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: this because What paparazzi is sitting outside Matt Sikowsky's house?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: They probably don't even know where he lives. And also,
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  Speaker 1: if you're being followed by paparazzi, would you really sit
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  Speaker 1: out the front of the cafe and then in a window,
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  Speaker 1: like reading the newspaper? I mean, the photos went perfectly
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  Speaker 1: with the quotes that he gave. So obviously, he spoke
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  Speaker 1: to the media, teed up these pap shots, probably made
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  Speaker 1: a couple of thousand dollars off it. Well, I just
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  Speaker 1: think no shame though, because I'm sure Tammy and Bailey
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  Speaker 1: probably did the same thing too. See, I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: Tammy called the paps, but Bailey wasn't in on it,
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  Speaker 1: particularly because he gave them the finger. And I think
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: he's copped a lot in the sports media over this.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is something that's probably causing him a headache
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  Speaker 1: at Geelong because they want him to be focusing on football,
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  Speaker 1: not who he's dating. And now at the moment, he's
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: having to contend with his ex Izzy Armitage, who's also
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: an influencer, talking about him on her podcast. Yeah, so
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: she's come out and made some quite explosive claims. She
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: hasn't actually named him as per se, but she's spoken
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: about this footballer that she used to date. So they
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: used to date back in 2021. Interestingly, that podcast was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: pulled down the day it was uploaded and media have
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: been very cautious with the way they've been reporting on
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: what Izzy said on it. Some of the claims are
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: very defamatory, so we will be leaving those for now.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: But I think this is a bit of a developing story.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Our latest restock and new styles have arrived in the office,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: so I thought we would do a little first impressions together.
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  Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has opened up about her shock decision to
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: shut down her successful activewear label Zepp. The OG wellness
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: influencer admitted she has daily thoughts about bringing it back,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: but concedes it's unrealistic at the moment. When the news
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: first broke in April that Zep was closing down, there
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was a lot of discussion about what Chloe would do next.
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  Speaker 1: So she's confirmed that she's now a stay-at-home mum for
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: her two young sons, Artie and Sonny. And she and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: her fiance, Mitch Orville, have moved to Newcastle from the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast. And it appears they're living a pretty normal,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: simple life. Mitch is now working a nine-to-five job. Sadly, though,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like the decision to shut Zep down was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: almost forced upon Chloe because she said she just didn't
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: have the capacity to keep it running. Ultimately, having a
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: business with a team of staff alongside looking after two
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: children was just too much for her. I feel this week, Amy,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: we can really relate to it because we are under
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the pump. It's taken a while to record this podcast. Yes,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I feel for all mums out there and any stay-at-home
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: dads as well who are running businesses. Now, Chloe admitted
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that she cried for a month about shutting down Zep
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  Speaker 1: and said she would bring it back in a smaller
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: capacity if possible. Do you think people would actually want
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  Speaker 1: it back? Like, does she have that much demand now? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she definitely does. When it closed down, there were a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: lot of upset people that came out of the woodwork
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: being like, oh my goodness, they were the comfiest tights.
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  Speaker 1: She definitely had a loyal customer base. And when she
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: was flat out asked by a follower during a Q &
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: A if she made the right decision, she said, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: think I could have definitely made other choices. We had
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: investment opportunities, but at the time it felt overwhelming and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: more work, which I didn't have the capacity for. But
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other changes I could have made first.
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  Speaker 1: I was just in a season that felt big and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: overwhelming for me. I felt really sad when I read
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: this because it seems like in hindsight she wishes she
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: kept it going, especially with investors interested. Yeah, but she
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: did go on to say that she didn't have any
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: regrets as she needed a break after being burnt out
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: from years of striving. It just makes me wonder if
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: an investor was interested, could they not have sold ZEP
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to them? Well, I'm guessing the investor wanted to put
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: money into it. They might not have actually wanted to
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: buy it. I also wonder if one of the main
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: motivators for getting rid of ZEP was because of Chloe's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: dwindling followers. She did have a lot of people drop
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  Speaker 1: off after her controversial views over COVID. I mean, remember
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: there were people burning their Zep products? Yeah, but that
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: was five years ago. I think people got over that
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I mean, I don't think the brand was
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: as big as it was before that, but they still
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good supporter base. And the fact that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: someone was willing to invest in it makes me think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that potentially maybe we could see it return in the future.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Chloe did say that there was potential for future projects
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Chloe also hinted at a possible YouTube return. So she said,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it's been on her heart for the last month and wrote,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I felt the urge to come back on throughout the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: highs and lows of motherhood. Truly the shift to stay
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: at home mom has been hard and I'm over here
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: needing that word of encouragement more than ever too. She
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: said she was tossing up between whether she would do
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a vlog format or a sort of table talk. I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: definitely think vlog and I'm excited to see those hopefully return. Well,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's where we're going to wrap things up today. If
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you do enjoy the show and want to hear more
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: content from us, we drop a subscriber-only episode every Thursday.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: That show is basically an extension of Outspoken where we
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: talk even more about influences. This podcast was recorded on
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present.