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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 9) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition against
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  Alan Dershowitz. Question Now, other than your conversation with Ms
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  Churcher before the first Daily Mail article came out, did
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  you talk to her again about where you mentioned Alan Dershowitz.
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  Answer before I spoke to her. Question No, since that
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  article came out. Answer, have I talked to her again
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  about Alan Dershowitz. Question correct, Miss McCauley, I object to
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  this line of questioning. I think I have a standing objection.
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  Just to make that clear answer, Yes, I think we
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  actually have. I think she read the recent, well not
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  so recent, about a year ago, the statements made in
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  the press, and she called me up and I told
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  her that I was not allowed to discuss it. Question
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  what did she say to you? Answer? She was just
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  asking me about ongoing proceedings, and I said, I don't
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  think I'm able to comment. I don't think it's a
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  wise thing to do, especially her being a journalist. Question
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  have you ever emailed with Sharon Churcher? Answer? Yes, I have.
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  Question how many times? Answer? I don't know a lot.
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  Question what does a lot mean to you? Answer over twenty.
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  Question when was the last time you emailed with her?
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  Answer probably twenty fifteen. Question do you know approximately how
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  many times you emailed with her in twenty fifteen? Answer
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  maybe about five? Question before twenty fifteen? Was there a
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  long gap in your email? Answer yes, there was a
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  long gap. Question did you email with her around the
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  time leading up to the meeting that you had before
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  the first da email article? Answer? I think that was
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  actually phone conversations, not emails. Question after you met with
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  her the first time, did you then email with her? Answer? Yes,
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  then we emailed. Question about how many times? Putting aside
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  the five or so in twenty fifteen? Answer about anywhere
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  between ten to fifteen to share the exact number. Question
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  were you emailing with her while you were living in Australia?
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  Answer uh huh? Question were you emailing with her while
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  you were living back in the United States? Answer uh huh?
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  Question yes? Answer yes sorry. Question have you emailed with
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  any other press regarding Alan Dershowitz? Answer no. Question Actually
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  did your emails with miss Churcher referred to Alan Dershowitz?
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  Answer no question did your emails with miss Churcher specifically
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  identify any alleged sexual abuser other than mister Epstein? Answer redacted,
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  that's it. Question have you had any emails with anybody
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  about Alan Dershowitz Ms McCauley. I'm going to object to
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  the extent that this reveals anything that you emailed with
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  your lawyer. You don't have to testify to that answer.
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  Besides with lawyers. No question, did you ever email redacted
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  about Professor Dershowitz. Answer I'm pretty sure we had a
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  phone conversation, actually no face to face conversation about him,
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  and maybe some comments over the phone. But I do
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  not recall sending her any emails regarding Alan Dershowitz, except
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  for the text messages I sent to her after I
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  learned she was talking to him, and I said, I
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  don't believe you're talking to a pedophile. Other than that.
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  No question, how many text messages did you send to her?
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  Answer what from the time I've known her? Answer? No?
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  Regarding Professor Dershowitz. Answer Max, Well, I mean the first
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  one I sent to her was about him, and then
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  you know, the other ones were quite simple, like you know,
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  you've got two precious daughters. You know, I don't know
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  if he yet was actually named in any of those.
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  To be honest, I think I referred to him as
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  the pedophile or a pedophile, But I mean I would
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  say Max. Three. Question have you ever left her voicemail
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  messages about Professor Dershowitz? Answer? I have called her well first,
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  she answered, and then I said, please tell me it's
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  not true that you're actually doing this, and then she
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  hung up. And yes, I have called her back and
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  I have left her voicemails. Nothing abusive, just redacted. What
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  are you doing question? You know what? Answer? What are
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  you doing? You know? Like That's what I said to her.
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  That's how I talk our lingo, not know what like anything?
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  But what are you doing? You know? Question? Did you
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  give her any context? Or is that the entire message
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  that you would have left? Answer? I don't know the
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  entire message I would have left, but like I said,
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  it would would not have been abusive. Question Now I
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  think that you mentioned in was it Palm Beach Juana
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  LESSI answer yes, question he was on the house staff.
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  Answer yes, he was a butler. Question what was the
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  name of the fellow? Answer redacted? Question what's redacted's last
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  name answer, I have no idea. Question have you ever
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  met redacted? Answer? I don't know. I mean you have
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  to understand that there's a lot of house staff at
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  all times, at all of his residences. It's possible I
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  did come across them, but I'm not too sure. Question
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  but you don't have any specific recollection ever meeting them,
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  do you? Mcaulay objection answer no, Special Master, you answered,
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  go ahead the witness. Sorry, Special Master, It's all right, Borgia.
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  What did you do with your emails with Ms Churchier? Answer?
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  What do you mean? What did I do with them?
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  Did I print them out? Question? Did you keep them
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  in your inbox your sundbox? Answer? Yes, they would be
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  in my inbox. I mean after so long, I mean
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  I had to not just delete hers, but delead a
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  lot of files from my inbox. It was getting too full.
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  I still have emails of hers in my inbox. Question
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  do you still have text messages you sent or adacted? Answer? No,
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  I've gone through my phones. That's not because of on purpose.
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  My kids literally break every phone that I get. Question
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  so when was the last time that you texted or adacted? Answer?
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  When I found out that she was talking to Dershowitz.
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  Question what's the timeframe? Answer? I have no idea. I
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  think it was June of last year, June twenty fifteen,
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  but that's not what I messaged her. I only messaged
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  her during when I found out, which I think was
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  during dershowitz first deposition when he said that he'd been
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  talking about redacted. Question and then you switch phone since then? Answer? Yes,
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  I have a new phone, but I have those messages
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  that I sent to her on my new phone. Thereupon,
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  VR defendant Exhibit number six was marked for identification Miss Borgia,
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  Miss Roberts. I've handed you a document that's been marked
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  VR Exhibit six, which is a thirteen page document copy
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  of an article from Radar Online. Do you have that? Answer? Yes,
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  I do. Question is this the Radar Online article that
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  you referred to earlier in your testimony today with the
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  ripped out pages from your booklet? Answer yes. Question do
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  you have any understanding of how Radar Online got these pages?
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  Ms McCauley objection, Answer no, not at all. Question after
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  these republic on Radar Online, did you content that publication? Answer? No,
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  maybe I should have, but I didn't think of it.
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  Question are the excerpts here things that you wrote in
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  your handwriting. Answer. Yes, question, these are the pages that
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  you gave miss Churcher. Correct answer, uh huh. Yes. Question
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  Are there any pages that you gave miss Churcher that
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  are not reflected in the article? Answer? I mean, can
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  you give me a moment to look at them? Question?
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  You don't have to read the comments. I'm not going
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  to ask you about them. Answer. It looks like there's
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  a little bit of excerpt taken out of the pages
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  that I gave to her. Question Were there any additional
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  pages that you gave to her that's not printed into
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  the article? Answer? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
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  from what I can tell, it's like they've taken excerpts
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  out of the pages that I gave to her and
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  kind of piece them together. But if you read them closely,
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  it doesn't look like every single one matches. The next question,
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  what was your purpose in writing those pages? Mcaulay objection
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  you can answer. Answer. You know, at the time, I
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  was very let down by the United States government for
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  not prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein and what I think that he
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  deserved and what all his victims deserve to get from
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  what he's done to us. So to me, this was
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  my way of telling a small piece of my story
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  to see, you know, what could do to reopen the case,
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  to get more knowledge about Jeffrey Epstein, what he's made.
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  Not just me, but a lot of other victims have
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  to go through. Question about how much time had elapsed
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  between the time when you met redacted and the time
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  that you wrote the booklet? Answer? Oh, many years, many years.
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  All three of my kids had been born by then,
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  so we're talking. Sorry, I'm horrible at math. Roughly about
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  ten years. Question in terms of your meeting with redacted
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  when you went or redacted the excerpts and here said
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  the two of you had grabbed a couple of alcoholic cocktails.
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  Do you see that? Answer? Is that in the first
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  page question? This is that page three of thirteen, the
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  beginning of the text gets blocked out by the advertisement
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  refers generally or redacted where you had grabbed them both
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  in alcoholic cocktail, she wrote in the diary obtained by Radar. Answer,
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  I do read that question. How long were you at
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  the bar with redacted? Redacted or at redacted? I should say? Answer?
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  I would say over an hour, but not too question,
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  did you have more than one drink? Answer? I believe
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  I had two drinks. I'm not too sure. I assume
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  that redacted was drinking alcohol as well, but I'm not
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  too sure if it was. He ordered the drinks and
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  he ordered alcohol for me, so I only assumed that
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  he was drinking it as well. But yes, question, so
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  he went up to the bar and ordered them and
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  brought them back? Answer? Yes, question. And you can't say
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  what he ordered at the bar? Answer? I know there
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  were both clearer drinks. I don't know exactly what mine was,
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  but it was clear and alcohol. I didn't have a
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  sip of his, so I don't know what it was.
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  Question did you take ecstasy at this club? Answer? No question?
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  And on two drinks? Did dac did have more than
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  two drinks? Answer? I know I had two drinks. I
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  don't know how many he had, I'm not too sure.
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  Question Okay, after these were public, did you ever ask
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  for the pages back? Answer? As far as I knew
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  they were property of Sharon's. I think I had a
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  rough conversation with her about it because I didn't know
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  what these were going to get public at any time.
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  There were more from between me and her. It really
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  shocked me to see these in the public. So honestly,
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  I didn't think that there was anything that I could
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  do about it. It was already out there. Thinking about
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  it today, You're right, I should have gone to Radar
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  online and found out who and why and how. Question.
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  I don't mean to mislead you. Sharon's name is at
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  the end of the article. Answer well, I mean that's
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  obvious without even reading that. I mean, she's the only
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  one who had it. She's the only one who could
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  have given it to them. Question why do you think
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  it was her property? Answer? Because everything that I had
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  given her was her property. Question why is that McCauley objection,
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  asked an act answered special master. You can answer. Answer
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  because everything that she told me, everything that I gave her,
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  So the story was her property. The papers that I
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  gave her were her property. The photographs that they took
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  in me, like on the beach, and I think there
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  were pictures of me on the bridge. Maybe there's a
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  couple of other pictures those are her property as well.
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  Question was that spelled out in the contract? Answer? I
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  don't know, it probably was. It was a long contract.
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  I didn't have lawyers to read it over for me,
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  so I'm not too sure. Question did you keep a
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  copy of that? Answer? No, Question what did you do
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  with it? Answer? When I moved from Australia, I had
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  a bunch of paperwork I just kind of threw out.
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  I didn't bring anything with me. Question why did you
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  choose to move back to the United States at the time? Answer?
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  I mean, there's a couple of good reasons why I
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  moved back. You know, First and foremost, I haven't seen
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  my family in a long time. And secondly, I wanted
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  to see something happen with I was trying to join
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  the CVR case, so I was hoping by moving back,
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  I would see that progress. Question what's the date that
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  you move back? Answer? As far as the picture that
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  you just showed me of the house, that's November. I
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  think it only took me about two weeks. Actually, I
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  can tell you the exact date. It was on my anniversary,
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  October sixteenth, two thousand and three. McAuley. Do you need
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  a break or are you okay? The witness? I'm okay,
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  all right, So we're gonna wrap up right here and
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  in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we
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  left off. All of the information that goes with this
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