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SCHOOLGIRL, 14, disappears enroute to school bus stop · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful little fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl who loved her ballet classes is missing. Where
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Speaker 1: is Aliyah? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm just nauseous
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Speaker 1: all the time right now because I'm so worried about her,
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Speaker 1: Like I can't even falldom that this is actually happening.
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Speaker 1: As the search continues for missing fourteen year old Elio
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Speaker 1: Romires of Syracuse, her ballet instructor Hailey Toy is hoping
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Speaker 1: for her safe return home. We just, like we all
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Speaker 1: just want to see her home safely. If she ran away,
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Speaker 1: if someone has her, like, just let her go home. Secondly,
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Speaker 1: the last images of Alia taken from this ring video Doorbell,
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Speaker 1: eight digs ago. Around eight m Tuesday morning, Aliyah can
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Speaker 1: be seen leaving her Syracuse home for school wearing a
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Speaker 1: black jacket, gray and white sweatpants, and a purple Nike backpack.
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Speaker 1: So Tuesday morning, she was getting ready to go to school,
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Speaker 1: and we know that she did not get on the bus.
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Speaker 1: Did not get on the bus. A staggering number of
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Speaker 1: child disappearances, kidnaps, and attimpted kidnaps revolve around the route
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Speaker 1: to school. En route to the school bus stop en
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Speaker 1: route to the school itself, leaving pickup and drop off
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Speaker 1: at the school bus stop. A staggering number above forty
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Speaker 1: percent of all kidnaps and attempted kidnaps happen related in
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Speaker 1: some way to getting back and forth to school. With
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Speaker 1: me An All Star to help determine where is Eliah?
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Speaker 1: Tipline five to seven four two six seven, five six
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Speaker 1: six seven. Repeat tipline for this beautiful young girl just
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Speaker 1: fourteen five to seven four two six seven five six
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Speaker 1: six seven. All indications are she's on her way to school,
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Speaker 1: her normal wake up time, she's dressed for school, she's
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Speaker 1: got her backpack, she's on the way. Nothing unusual, no
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Speaker 1: family argument that we know of nothing, and she seemingly
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Speaker 1: disappears into thin air. It's frighteningly similar to the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of J. C. Duker, who disappeared on her way to school.
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Speaker 1: She was found many years later, having given birth to
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Speaker 1: multiple children by her kidnap, her being forced to live
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Speaker 1: in a shed for years and years with me An
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Speaker 1: All Star panel Katie Reynolds, who is Eliah's dear friend
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Speaker 1: and mentor. They dance at the same studio at Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Kat dot Reynolds Twitter, kkt Reynolds. Wendy patche California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and host of Today with Doctor
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Speaker 1: Wendy KCBQ, San Diego. Doctor Teresa Gill, pH d, Professor Psychology, Psychotherapist.
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Speaker 1: She is the author of Women Who Were Sex Abused
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Speaker 1: as Children. Joseph Scott Morgan death Investigator, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: at star of a new series, The Piketon Massacre Returned
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Speaker 1: to Pike County on iHeartRadio. Renowned founder and president of
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Speaker 1: the Coursen Security Group at courses Security Group dot com.
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Speaker 1: Author of The Safety Trap, a security expert secrets for
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Speaker 1: staying safe in a dangerous world. Spencer Courson but first
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Speaker 1: to leave I Page Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: and host of Crime and Scandal true crime podcast LEVI
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Speaker 1: Take a Listen to our friends at WNDU. Police are
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Speaker 1: looking for a missing fourteen year old out of Syracuse,
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Speaker 1: Olia Ramirez was last seen Tuesday morning. She's five nine
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Speaker 1: was wearing a black zip up jacket, grain white sweatpants
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Speaker 1: with a purple Nike backpack. She's believed to be in danger,
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Speaker 1: So this is very important here. Anyone with information is
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Speaker 1: asked to call police. The devastated family believe she has
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Speaker 1: been kidnapped, the parents saying they knew immediately that something
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Speaker 1: was horribly wrong. To you, Levi, page when and where?
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Speaker 1: Let's start with where was she abducted? Where do we
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Speaker 1: think she was abducted? Bancy? She is in Syracuse, Indiana,
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Speaker 1: event is where she was possibly abducted. Syracuse is a
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Speaker 1: small town in Indiana, population of around two thousand, eight
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Speaker 1: hundred people. A lot of lakes in that town. Very beautiful,
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Speaker 1: but a very small town, Syracuse, Indiana. Many people that
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Speaker 1: first see the story think we're talking about Syracuse, New York,
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Speaker 1: which is a whole another ballpark, much more populated. What
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Speaker 1: did you say? The population is here, Levi? About two thousand,
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Speaker 1: eight hundred people. And the reason I asked that, obviously
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Speaker 1: to you, Jo Scott Morgan, is because the more rural
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Speaker 1: or less populated the area is the lower the crime rate.
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Speaker 1: Which really you look at this sort of crime through
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Speaker 1: a different lens than you would in a big city. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: most certainly, Nancy, and the odds that you're going to
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Speaker 1: meet up with some type of malevolent force there some
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Speaker 1: individual it's going to do harm to. An individual is
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Speaker 1: lower seemingly, so that kind of narrows your field when
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Speaker 1: you begin to think about who may have crossed a
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Speaker 1: Leiah's path, who's in her world, who's in her universe?
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Speaker 1: Who could give us an idea is to where she
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Speaker 1: may have wound up or where she is right now.
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Speaker 1: Of course she used Spencer Corsta and found her president
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Speaker 1: of Course and Security Group and author of the Safety Trap.
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Speaker 1: No one will ever forget Dylan and Shasta Gronee, a
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Speaker 1: brother and a sister who lived in very, very rural Cordelaine, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: They were spotted at their above ground pool by a
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Speaker 1: freak that was driving by on the interstate and in
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Speaker 1: the distance from his advantage point he must have had
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Speaker 1: a rise in the interstate. He could look over and
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Speaker 1: he saw Shasta in her swimsuit at the pool, got
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Speaker 1: off the interstate, staked out the family, killed the whole
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Speaker 1: family except Dylan and Shasta. He ultimately killed little Dylan
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Speaker 1: after many, many molestations and torture. Shasta was rescued because
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Speaker 1: the woman in a seven eleven recognized her. That was,
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Speaker 1: as we say, in the middle of nowhere and the
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Speaker 1: same thing here. Just because you're in a rural area
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Speaker 1: does not mean crime cannot enter your life. Spencer Courson, No,
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Speaker 1: I think you're completely correct. And one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: I think that predators tend to target these small town,
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Speaker 1: more intimate communities is because they are more likely to
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Speaker 1: be less vigilant and more polite. So someone who comes
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Speaker 1: up to a student asking for directions or bating them
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Speaker 1: with some kind of language, those individuals are much more
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Speaker 1: likely to engage with those strangers rather than to have
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Speaker 1: a heightened state of vigilance. What more do we know
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Speaker 1: about the area? Take a listen to our friend Abraham
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Speaker 1: Sama sixteen years wn d year walk from Eliah's home,
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Speaker 1: just a few blocks away from her bus stop, to
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Speaker 1: walk from her house to the school bus stop. It's
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Speaker 1: not long, It's maybe like a five minute walk. Oh
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Speaker 1: walk that Toy believes was the last one Eliah took
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Speaker 1: before she went missing. She's she's so young, an idea
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Speaker 1: that she's going through all of this right now, she's
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Speaker 1: and she might not be safe. We don't know what's happening,
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Speaker 1: which is why if Aliah is watching, Toy wants her
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Speaker 1: to know this hang in there. You're such a tough,
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Speaker 1: tough kid, and people care about you and they love you,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to get you home safely, not at
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Speaker 1: this hour. Police Alia could be anywhere including Marion, Indiana, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: or even Palm Beach County, Florida. Kind of interesting they're
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Speaker 1: throwing out those particular cities. They said, Palm Beach, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: summer in Florida. Why are we getting those locales just
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Speaker 1: as a reference a framework. We know that there were
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Speaker 1: only four crimes, four violent crimes, and Syracuse, Indiana last year,
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Speaker 1: just four violent crimes. So where does this little girl,
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Aliah remember as fit in crime stories?
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace joining me, Katie Reynolds, this is Eliah's friend, Katie.
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Speaker 1: We are being told that there was nothing unusual about
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Speaker 1: there that morning. There had been no family argument. She
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Speaker 1: has never run away before. What can you tell us
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Speaker 1: about your friend? Yeah, so, Aliah, she was a straight
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Speaker 1: a student. She was very involved in dance. She loved
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Speaker 1: it so much. She was just like any other kid
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Speaker 1: that was. She's very involved in all of her academics,
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Speaker 1: all of her studies. There's nothing unusual about her. Or
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Speaker 1: there was nothing that was interesting, or it was it
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Speaker 1: was not anything out of the ordinary. We there's no
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Speaker 1: suspicion of her leaving or disappearing. She had never run
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Speaker 1: away before. Straight a student, that's not easy. My children
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Speaker 1: worked all year long to get straight a's for the
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Speaker 1: whole year. That's not easy. And at her age, she's fourteen,
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Speaker 1: that means she's in the eighth grade, arising ninth grader.
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Speaker 1: She's looking at advanced algebra, a lot of detailed science, math,
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Speaker 1: English to make all a's. That's very impressive. This is
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Speaker 1: not a girl that has ever left home before. Now
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Speaker 1: here's a problem. And I write about this and my
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Speaker 1: new book, Don't Be a Victim, about all the kidnaps
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Speaker 1: and crimes that happened surrounding a school bus route. A
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Speaker 1: young girl, Aliana Defriz, was kidnapped from her bus stop
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Speaker 1: and the parents had no idea anything was wrong until
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Speaker 1: she did not get off the bus around four thirty
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Speaker 1: that afternoon. We are learning here that the father, Anthony,
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Speaker 1: says he didn't realize Aliah was missing until much later
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Speaker 1: in the day when he got a call from the
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Speaker 1: school regarding her absence. And we all know Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor author red flags that those first three hours
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Speaker 1: and a kidnap, especially a child kidnap, are critical. Explain Wendy,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Nancy, and I would say that's particularly
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Speaker 1: true in a rural area of small town twenty eight
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Speaker 1: hundred people. Somebody must have seen something. The reason it's important, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is the distance that a kidnaps child can be transported
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Speaker 1: quickly during those first few hours, that precious time block.
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Speaker 1: The parents would much rather know sooner rather than later,
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Speaker 1: so everybody can leap in action and law enforcement can
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Speaker 1: start their work. That is what's most critical, and that's
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Speaker 1: what's heartbreaking here when from all indications it seems like
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Speaker 1: this precious young girl went missing before she even got
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Speaker 1: to the bus stop. And then, of course we wonder
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Speaker 1: was it someone she knew, Given the small community where
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Speaker 1: it's hard to go missing without a trade nobody, as
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Speaker 1: you pointed out earlier, nobody disappears into thin air. But
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Speaker 1: you're right, that's why the father much would have rather,
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Speaker 1: all of us would have much rather this has been
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Speaker 1: reported sooner. You know, I don't know if it is increasing,
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Speaker 1: but it seems as if it is, because it was
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Speaker 1: just about ten days ago. We covered the case of
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Speaker 1: a little girl elicit Vanal, about twelve years old, and
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Speaker 1: it's caught on video whereas she's sitting alone out in
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Speaker 1: the grass, she's playing with something or reading a book,
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Speaker 1: and that's the bus stop and it's in a circular
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Speaker 1: grass pattern where the bus comes up to get her.
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Speaker 1: And I observed a white it looked like a minivan
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Speaker 1: go by several times. It was around about and the
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Speaker 1: next thing I knew, out of the right side of
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Speaker 1: the video comes a grown male, white male grabs her.
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Speaker 1: She fights, fights him off. He still tries to drag
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Speaker 1: her back to his vehicle, and she brought him down.
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Speaker 1: And after she brought him down the struggle, he took
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Speaker 1: off and left. Take a listen to our friend reporting
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Speaker 1: this regarding Alyssa Bannel. This is w ea Art v
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Speaker 1: Olivia ivers for Simmons and Banal. The thought is chilling. Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: Alyssa's walk to the bus stop was nearly her last.
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Speaker 1: When you look at the video, when you think of
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Speaker 1: what could have happened, it's not a nice thought. If
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Speaker 1: I would have lost her yesterday, the chances of me
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Speaker 1: getting her back would have been very slim nearly every day,
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Speaker 1: but now walks her around the corner to the bus
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Speaker 1: stop on Pertydo Street and Corey Field Road. Tuesday, she
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Speaker 1: didn't needing, instead to tend to her baby as a mom,
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Speaker 1: making ends me. She tells me she feels a sense
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Speaker 1: of responsibility for what could have been. It's creating guilt
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Speaker 1: for not going off there. I mean, but I can't
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Speaker 1: let it tear me up because I was going up there.
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Speaker 1: None of if this is it's not my fault, it's
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Speaker 1: not her fault. This is that man's fault. Doctor Teresa
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Speaker 1: Gil joining me, professor's psychology and psychotherapist, Doctor Gil. I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to get into the mindset. I'm wondering if this
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Speaker 1: is a copycat of what just happened ten days ago
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Speaker 1: with Elisabe. Now did somebody see that on TV and
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Speaker 1: decide to do it themselves? That video was widely circulated,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Teresa Gil. It's it's like the hyena at the
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Speaker 1: edge of the watering hole in Savannah waiting for the
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Speaker 1: gazelle or the creature to come up to the water.
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Speaker 1: It's taken a lamp to the slaughter, grabbing a child,
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Speaker 1: and a route to the bus station. Well, it's interesting
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Speaker 1: when they talk about abductions, and a number of people
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Speaker 1: have mentioned it already that they look at the most
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Speaker 1: vulnerable and in a smaller town, the thought is that
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Speaker 1: she knew the person that may have abducted her, and
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Speaker 1: these things are pre planned. But it usually involves a vehicle.
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Speaker 1: It usually involves coming to or from school. She was
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Speaker 1: abducted around eight o'clock, and that's the seven to nine
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Speaker 1: in the morning when they're traveling to school and the
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Speaker 1: bus is usually when abductions occur. Also, girls between the
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Speaker 1: ages of ten to fourteen, they really are the most vulnerable,
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Speaker 1: and one of the reasons they're emotionally vulnerable is because
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Speaker 1: they don't have the maturity to make good decisions, to
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Speaker 1: set boundaries, to think about concert coins is to be
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Speaker 1: discerning about who they talk to and who they trust.
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Speaker 1: But Um, between the ages of ten and fourteen are
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Speaker 1: the ones that have abducted, and the older girls usually
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Speaker 1: are abducted because there's a sexual component to it and
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Speaker 1: so that just me as a mother, but also as
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Speaker 1: a therapist, yes, um makes the red flags even more disconcerting.
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Speaker 1: And concerns for alcohol, you know, Spencer, of course, and
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Speaker 1: it was seeing to me that there would be some
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Speaker 1: sort of a video camera or surveillance of some sort
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Speaker 1: at the bus stop, um, which I call out for
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Speaker 1: in my book, don't be a victim. But sadly there's
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Speaker 1: not I know, and nor was there at the bus
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Speaker 1: stop in that Florida incidents. Thank God that that autoparts store,
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Speaker 1: that that that parts store had a camera there, right. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think what we what we see with with so
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Speaker 1: many security plans, whether it be a school or an organization,
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Speaker 1: is that there's a wide divide between policy and practice.
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Speaker 1: You know, most school bus stops are supposed to have
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Speaker 1: some kind of coverings for inclement weather. This must have
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Speaker 1: some kind of a security feature that's supposed to either
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Speaker 1: be monitored or in person or remotely. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I think it's just so important that parents encourage children
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Speaker 1: to participate in their own protection and to you know,
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Speaker 1: not be fearful, but to have that healthy sense of
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Speaker 1: skepticism and that moderate dose of vigilance which can really
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Speaker 1: help everyone to succeed in staying sick. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Carly Miller at w n DU. Fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old Aliah Ramirez has been missing from Syracuse since
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Speaker 1: last Tuesday. She is five foot nine and one hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty eight pounds with black hair and brown eyes.
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Speaker 1: She was last seen around eight am wearing a black
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Speaker 1: zip up jacket, gray and white sweatpants, and a purple
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Speaker 1: Nike backpack. Those who know Aliah from a dance studio
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Speaker 1: she's been a part of for years describe her as
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Speaker 1: a kind and selfless girl, and they say they were
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Speaker 1: shocked when they learned of her disappearance. I really really
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Speaker 1: need her home. I need her home for me, I
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Speaker 1: need her home, for her family, for herself, her safety.
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Speaker 1: She's two weeks older than my daughter, so they're a
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Speaker 1: super close in age, so I just can't imagine, like
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Speaker 1: you know, her being missing. And as the days go on,
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Speaker 1: I just increasingly become more concerned and more worried for
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Speaker 1: her well being. Reynolds, Sights and others say they're doing
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Speaker 1: everything they can, from posting on social media to handing
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Speaker 1: out hundreds of flyers Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to
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Speaker 1: Katie Reynolds. Eliah's friend, tell me about her personality. I
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Speaker 1: know she's never run away from home. That's not really
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Speaker 1: a factor, and the police consideration right now. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about her. Yeah, so she's a very very caring person.
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Speaker 1: When I say, like when she was at the studio,
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Speaker 1: she was always taking care of her little sister. She
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Speaker 1: was in the studio video just helping her all the time.
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Speaker 1: She was very, very sweet. She also had like a
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Speaker 1: little bit of sass and spunk to her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she was a perfect addition to our Dan's family. She
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Speaker 1: was always a team player. That's how I could describe her.
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Speaker 1: She was always in it for others and it was
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Speaker 1: never a self She was never about herself. It was
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Speaker 1: always about other Katy. Did she keep her cell phone
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Speaker 1: with her at all times? Yeah, she did, but I
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Speaker 1: believe her dad took it away from her. So is
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Speaker 1: it your belief that at the time she went missing
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Speaker 1: she did not have her cell phone. Actually, we were
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Speaker 1: told that she had two phones. One phone was taken
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Speaker 1: from her dad and then the other one was bought
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Speaker 1: by her aunt Alyssa so that she could keep in
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Speaker 1: contact with her Analyssa. So she did have a cell phone.
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Speaker 1: Leave Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Do we
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Speaker 1: know whether she had a cell phone with her when
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Speaker 1: she went missing? Nancy, We don't know if she had
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Speaker 1: her cellphone with her when she went missing, although at
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I would suspect that she most likely did.
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Speaker 1: We do know, Nancy that she also had a Google
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Speaker 1: Chrome book that she had for school with her as well.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that is traceable. I'm going to circle
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Speaker 1: back to Spencer and Joe Scott on that. But let's
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Speaker 1: look at the timeline. We know that her last moments
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Speaker 1: that we know where she is were spotted on a
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Speaker 1: neighbor's ring doorbell of her leaving her own home just
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Speaker 1: after eight o'clock in the morning. We also know she
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Speaker 1: never made it to the bus stop. The bus stop
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Speaker 1: was just a couple of blocks away. That's only about
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Speaker 1: a ten minute window. Now, let's think about that, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott morn a ten minute window. She didn't make it
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Speaker 1: to the bus stop. She disappeared in ten minutes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's a very narrow framework that we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: You think about She's on foot and I've looked at
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Speaker 1: the video footage of her and she's very calm, very
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Speaker 1: put together. She does have the backpack on her on
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Speaker 1: her shoulders, she's wearing it in an appropriate manner. She's
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Speaker 1: carrying an item looks like a bag in her right hand,
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Speaker 1: almost like something a shopping bag. I'm not really sure
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Speaker 1: what's in it. However, one thing caught my eye, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when I was looking at this. There's a freeze frame
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Speaker 1: image of her in profile that's on the web right now,
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Speaker 1: and she's wearing a mask. Now, she's not around to
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Speaker 1: anybody else. She's obviously outdoors, so that gives me an
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Speaker 1: indication that she's going to be with a group of people.
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Speaker 1: In her mind, maybe at least she's thinking, Hey, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to the bus stop. They're gonna make me put
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Speaker 1: a mask on the bus, so I'm gonna go ahead
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Speaker 1: and have that on. And I think that that's an
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Speaker 1: important piece of this because this goes to her mindset
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Speaker 1: relative to being with groups of people waiting for the
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Speaker 1: bus and doing what. You know, we've already heard that
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Speaker 1: she's kind of a compliant child, she's well liked. She
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Speaker 1: probably does what authority figures tell her to do, so
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Speaker 1: she's put together in that sense. Now, you know, where
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Speaker 1: she just vanishes is quite the conundrum. And I looked
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Speaker 1: at the highway system around here, Nancy, She's not near
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Speaker 1: a major interstate. This town doesn't rest there's old US
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Speaker 1: Highway six that runs east and west. Now you can
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Speaker 1: go east and be in Cleveland, you can go west
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Speaker 1: and you can be in Gary, Indiana, or Chicago. So
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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if somebody is working this route through here,
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Speaker 1: as you and Spencer pointed out earlier. Let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this, Katie Reynolds, you're her friend and mentor there
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Speaker 1: at the dance studio. Does she have a boyfriend that
22:38
Speaker 1: he is sixteen years old and he lives in Florida.
22:41
Speaker 1: He's fifteen, she's fourteen. Do you know where he lives
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Speaker 1: in Florida? Would it might chance to be Palm Beach? Yes?
22:46
Speaker 1: It is Okay, that's good, Spencer Courson, because if there's
22:50
Speaker 1: any suggestion she's gone to be with a boyfriend, which
22:54
Speaker 1: right now there's not, they know how to find him.
22:56
Speaker 1: They know where he is. Her friends at the dance
22:58
Speaker 1: studio know who he is. So certainly police know who
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Speaker 1: he is. And so my understanding, they've already looked in
23:04
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida and Marrying, Indiana both spots, and so
23:08
Speaker 1: far they've come up with nothing, Spencer. So Spencer Coursen,
23:11
Speaker 1: what do they do now? Well? I think they need
23:13
Speaker 1: to expand the search. And I'm wondering if if how
23:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the father knew about that
23:19
Speaker 1: second cell phone, so the police may not have initiated
23:22
Speaker 1: a cell phone tracking. You know, they may not have
23:26
Speaker 1: initiated cell phone tracking if they didn't know about that
23:28
Speaker 1: second cell phone, which could have been very crucial to
23:31
Speaker 1: her immediate thing or her immediate retrieval. But also if
23:35
Speaker 1: she was going to go to the boyfriend's house, like
23:37
Speaker 1: things would be missing from her home, and looking at
23:40
Speaker 1: the ring camera video of her, it does look like
23:43
Speaker 1: the backpack has stuff in it, but it doesn't look
23:45
Speaker 1: like it's packed for a trip. So I think what
23:47
Speaker 1: you really need to do is also look at where
23:50
Speaker 1: was the boyfriend during this time? Was he on his
23:52
Speaker 1: way up to her, was on her way down to him?
23:55
Speaker 1: Were they planning to meet somewhere in the middle. Having
23:58
Speaker 1: all of those factors, you really just need to start
24:02
Speaker 1: looking at the totality of circumstance for everything and really
24:04
Speaker 1: hoping that this all works out for the best. Well,
24:06
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you is they've already checked out
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend and she's not there. That's one of the
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Speaker 1: first things they did leavi page. What can you tell
24:15
Speaker 1: me about it, Nancy. I know that they searched a home.
24:20
Speaker 1: They're not saying the homeowner was who lived in this
24:22
Speaker 1: home in Bonton Beach, which is near Palm Beach, and
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Speaker 1: there was no sign of her in that home. So
24:32
Speaker 1: that that is what we know about the search in Florida. Also,
24:37
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah, I was just gonna say
24:40
Speaker 1: that just because she wasn't at the boyfriend's house doesn't
24:42
Speaker 1: mean the boyfriend didn't do something to her. And you know, Nancy,
24:45
Speaker 1: if she were planning to meet up with the boyfriend,
24:48
Speaker 1: obviously should be caught easily if she was dragging a suitcase.
24:51
Speaker 1: But what about looking to see if money was missing,
24:53
Speaker 1: her makeup bag was missing, little things that would fit
24:56
Speaker 1: within that backpack that we see on the rain camera
24:58
Speaker 1: that would indicate this was some sort of a plan
25:01
Speaker 1: to go be with a boyfriend that maybe went wrong.
25:04
Speaker 1: So those will be something that investigators will look at
25:06
Speaker 1: as well. I'm looking also, and the tune bag she's carrying,
25:10
Speaker 1: and it's open. You can look in and see the
25:14
Speaker 1: contents of the topebag. It's just like one of those
25:17
Speaker 1: it looks like a grocery bag that you'd a fabric bag.
25:22
Speaker 1: And her backpack does not look stuffed, not stuffed at all.
25:30
Speaker 1: Maybe she's gotten just a chromebook in there. Guys, we're
25:33
Speaker 1: talking about and missing fourteen year old girl. The tip
25:36
Speaker 1: line for Aliah is five to seven four two six
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Speaker 1: seven five six six seven. Listen to our friend Carly
25:43
Speaker 1: Miller sixteen years now. If this was your kid, you
25:46
Speaker 1: would be doing the same thing. This is not my kid,
25:49
Speaker 1: but I'm doing as much as I can because I
25:52
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what her parents are feeling like right now,
25:55
Speaker 1: and they need people to share lee Is picture and
25:57
Speaker 1: information in hopes of getting her home safe. Whatever I happened,
26:01
Speaker 1: whatever is going on. I just really hope that she's
26:03
Speaker 1: okay and I want her to be returned to safety.
26:07
Speaker 1: And it just takes one person possibly seeing her, spotting
26:11
Speaker 1: something funny or you know, just just about one person.
26:15
Speaker 1: So just keep spreading the word. I just want to
26:17
Speaker 1: make sure that her face is out there. If you
26:19
Speaker 1: have any information about Eliah, please call Syracuse Police or
26:23
Speaker 1: nine one one BA to Katie Reynolds, this is Eliah's
26:26
Speaker 1: friend at the dance studio. Were you saying something earlier
26:30
Speaker 1: about her grandmother. Yes, her grandmom actually lives in Florida
26:35
Speaker 1: as well, and she has a residency in Indiana. Well,
26:39
Speaker 1: she's two habits, so's it's the grandma the one at
26:42
Speaker 1: Mary in Indiana. Yes, she is okay. And do you
26:46
Speaker 1: know where she the grandma is in Florida. Yeah, she's
26:49
Speaker 1: actually next door neighbors to the boyfriend Bryce, right next
26:53
Speaker 1: to the bar. Okay. Wonderful. So I know police have
26:58
Speaker 1: extended the sort to marry Indian Anna and Palm Beach, Florida.
27:01
Speaker 1: They don't think she's a runaway, but they checked just
27:04
Speaker 1: to make sure. No sign of missing fourteen year old
27:08
Speaker 1: Aliah Ramirez. I want to circle back to doctor Teresa Gill,
27:11
Speaker 1: Professor Psychology and psychotherapist. The mindset of someone that steals
27:16
Speaker 1: a child from the bus stop again, it's like easy pickings.
27:24
Speaker 1: They're little children. They're gathered at the bus stop. It's
27:28
Speaker 1: like going to the grocery store and buy a tomato.
27:31
Speaker 1: You just picked the one you want. And she was
27:33
Speaker 1: quite beautiful, and she stood out and she was fourteen
27:37
Speaker 1: and naive, and she was five foot nine and a dancer.
27:41
Speaker 1: And from what I've read, she was very comfortable on
27:46
Speaker 1: people she knew, but she was rather shy and reserved
27:49
Speaker 1: around people that she didn't know. So if somebody just
27:54
Speaker 1: pulled up a vehicle and asked her a question or
27:58
Speaker 1: she would probably have responded. And again, the most vulnerable,
28:02
Speaker 1: that's who perpetrators pick. And you know, the fear is
28:06
Speaker 1: that when there's a kidnapping, it's usually rare, but you know,
28:13
Speaker 1: many times it's for human trafficking and then you know
28:17
Speaker 1: murders a result of that at times. You know, it
28:20
Speaker 1: just got Morgan, Professor Forensics, shacksonvill State University. You know
28:24
Speaker 1: how many times I've tell my twins about don't talk
28:28
Speaker 1: to anybody that comes up to you in a car,
28:31
Speaker 1: don't try to help an adult. An adult does not
28:33
Speaker 1: need a child's help. But then I have watched them
28:39
Speaker 1: when a car has pulled up to them, they have paused.
28:42
Speaker 1: You can tell a child over and over and over,
28:45
Speaker 1: but their children. That's why under the law, they can't
28:49
Speaker 1: enter a contract to buy a car, or get married,
28:51
Speaker 1: or buy liquor or cigarettes because they don't have the
28:54
Speaker 1: mental capacity. They don't quite get it that there are
28:58
Speaker 1: wolves in sheep's clothing. Yeah, you're absolutely right, and predators.
29:02
Speaker 1: Understand that, Nancy, this is the reality most kids. Most
29:07
Speaker 1: kids are compliant when it comes to older individuals. You know,
29:12
Speaker 1: they're they're they're around teachers, their parents, that sort of thing.
29:15
Speaker 1: You know, do do as I tell you to do,
29:18
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So immediately, if someone that is
29:21
Speaker 1: at least at a basic level is perceived by them
29:24
Speaker 1: to be an authority figure, they'll stop just for a second.
29:26
Speaker 1: And then you throw in a little added bonus. Let's say,
29:29
Speaker 1: you know the old the old adage, I have candy,
29:32
Speaker 1: or can you help me find my puppy? You know,
29:35
Speaker 1: of course, Aliah is a lot older than that. How
29:37
Speaker 1: would you entice How would an adult entice a fourteen
29:41
Speaker 1: year old to come and be compliant? You know she's
29:44
Speaker 1: maturing now, she's not completely mature, But how how do
29:48
Speaker 1: you get her into a vehicle from this location in
29:51
Speaker 1: an area that she knows very well and that people
29:54
Speaker 1: know her there? How do you entice her to get
29:56
Speaker 1: in there and then leave with you? That's why I
29:59
Speaker 1: think that we really have to I'm circling back. I
30:01
Speaker 1: think that we really need to look at her circle
30:04
Speaker 1: of intimates, those individuals that are immediately around her, who
30:07
Speaker 1: has knowledge of her. Who's gonna know this early in
30:10
Speaker 1: that this didn't occur late at night. She's walking down
30:14
Speaker 1: dark alley or something. Nancy, it's early in the morning,
30:18
Speaker 1: all right. Who has specifically targeted her or who has
30:21
Speaker 1: facilitated her disappearance? Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
30:35
Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young ballet
30:39
Speaker 1: student just fourteen years old, Alia Ramirez, who disappears en
30:43
Speaker 1: route to the school bus stop. Take a listen to
30:47
Speaker 1: Allison Zifheimer, ABC fifty seven. Elia Ramirez was lasting on
30:52
Speaker 1: our way to school on April twenty seventh. Now our
30:55
Speaker 1: family speaking with Dateline NBC about the investigation. This is
30:59
Speaker 1: video from the final time Aliah left her home to
31:02
Speaker 1: catch her bus to school. Her father and her mother
31:04
Speaker 1: both talked about the days leading up to hers disappearance,
31:08
Speaker 1: with her mom telling Dayline that she and her daughter
31:10
Speaker 1: had a good day together two days before she disappeared.
31:13
Speaker 1: Police are still searching for her and asked to call
31:16
Speaker 1: police if you have any information. What do we know?
31:21
Speaker 1: We were listening to reporter Alison Zitheimer. It is day six, now,
31:30
Speaker 1: take a listen. It's going on day six now of
31:33
Speaker 1: no new word and no new information on fourteen year
31:36
Speaker 1: old Aliah Ramirez's whereabouts, and as the days continue to
31:40
Speaker 1: go on, love One's concerns continue to rise. The Syracuse
31:45
Speaker 1: Police Department continuing to investigate the disappearance of fourteen year
31:49
Speaker 1: old Aliah Ramirez, who was last seen last Tuesday morning
31:53
Speaker 1: at her ound eight am, leaving to catch her bus,
31:55
Speaker 1: but never made it to school and never returned home.
31:59
Speaker 1: The very next day, Wednesday, a statewide silver alert was
32:02
Speaker 1: declared and still continues on almost a week later. It's
32:06
Speaker 1: just not one so like have any issues and whatnot
32:09
Speaker 1: like this before. As time goes on, it's heartbreaking. Syracuse
32:15
Speaker 1: Police officials say, she is believed to be in danger,
32:18
Speaker 1: but what else do we know? Take a listen to
32:21
Speaker 1: Corinne Roseport Wayne's NBC. Ever since April twenty seventh, the
32:25
Speaker 1: Syracuse Police Chief says investigators have been chasing down every lead.
32:29
Speaker 1: It's definitely an urgency in locating her. You know, we'll
32:33
Speaker 1: given that everything we have. We are working with the
32:37
Speaker 1: Indiana State Police. He lies in. All the tools are disposal.
32:41
Speaker 1: We start investigating from day one and we haven't stopped.
32:44
Speaker 1: We don't plan on stuff until we locate her. Aliah
32:47
Speaker 1: is a talented dancer. Chief Lane says Aliah is believed
32:50
Speaker 1: to have left Indiana. He says, if you think you've
32:52
Speaker 1: seen her, call your local police department right away. He
32:56
Speaker 1: also asks that you share information about her on your
32:58
Speaker 1: social media pages. If you have relatives out of state,
33:01
Speaker 1: share what my Facebook, Instagram, whatever platform they are willing
33:07
Speaker 1: to use. But yeah, the more shares would get, the better.
33:09
Speaker 1: The more we get her face out there and hopefully
33:15
Speaker 1: you reach the right person. Chief Lane says the Ramiro's
33:18
Speaker 1: family is cooperating in the investigation and that everyone wants
33:22
Speaker 1: Aliyah to be found safe. I'm curious to Spencer Courson,
33:27
Speaker 1: why are they so convinced this little girl is no
33:30
Speaker 1: longer as they say local. Because of the tightness of
33:34
Speaker 1: the community and the surrounding area, they would have known
33:38
Speaker 1: if she would had if this had been a runaway,
33:40
Speaker 1: she would have been to a bus stop or a taxi.
33:43
Speaker 1: Someone would have seen something. With this time of time
33:47
Speaker 1: and distance, they would have been able to narrow that focus.
33:50
Speaker 1: My question and bringing me for my ignorance on this,
33:53
Speaker 1: But at what point would the FBI be brought in
33:55
Speaker 1: for this when there's already a cross line concern. It's
33:58
Speaker 1: a child. Why is this still a local police issue?
34:01
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is to a local police issue.
34:03
Speaker 1: Out to jo Scott Morgan, what do you know between
34:06
Speaker 1: you and Levi Page. In the event that she has
34:09
Speaker 1: crossed state line Spencer, of course, it is correct, it
34:11
Speaker 1: would become an FBI issue. Yeah, it would, particularly if
34:14
Speaker 1: they're expecting or anticipating that this is some type of
34:18
Speaker 1: event where she's been taking against her will, you know,
34:21
Speaker 1: specifically a kidnapping. Once that is initiated, you kind of
34:24
Speaker 1: flip a switch with the FEDS at that moment in
34:27
Speaker 1: time where they're going to be looking for her in
34:30
Speaker 1: all of these locations, and all the force that can
34:33
Speaker 1: be brought to bear with the FEDS will be brought online.
34:36
Speaker 1: My suspicion is at this point in time, more than
34:39
Speaker 1: likely the FEDS are aware. You've got Fort Wayne Field
34:44
Speaker 1: Office that's not too far from there. My thought is
34:48
Speaker 1: that they probably have gotten involved, but they just haven't
34:51
Speaker 1: surfaced yet so that the public can see them. Rex.
34:54
Speaker 1: My concern was not just kidnapping or runaway, but human trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that she fits the target demographic?
35:03
Speaker 1: Young impressionable, tall, attractive, ten to fourteen. That's the that's
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Speaker 1: what human traffickers tend to target. At this point, now
35:14
Speaker 1: the father is insisting that she is being held against
35:18
Speaker 1: her will, but he's also saying he believes she may
35:22
Speaker 1: be in Florida. But why would he think she's in
35:25
Speaker 1: Florida but yet being held against her will? Leave my page?
35:29
Speaker 1: What if anything, do we know, Nancy? We know that
35:33
Speaker 1: at one point she was living with her grandmother in Florida,
35:38
Speaker 1: and that's where she came in contact with this fifteen
35:41
Speaker 1: year old boy. That they were a couple, boyfriend and girlfriend.
35:45
Speaker 1: And we do know that in the Costudy case, the
35:48
Speaker 1: judge actually ruled that she's not allowed to have any
35:51
Speaker 1: contact with her grandmother or that fifteen year old boy.
35:56
Speaker 1: Interesting no contact with grandma or the fifteen year old boy.
36:01
Speaker 1: What do you know about that, Katie Reynolds, Um, I
36:04
Speaker 1: do know a little bit about that. It sounded like
36:06
Speaker 1: they had gotten in a fight Aliah and her grandma,
36:11
Speaker 1: But I don't know what that's about. Um. Yeah, I
36:15
Speaker 1: believe that she leant her disappearance. She was in contact
36:19
Speaker 1: with the boyfriend though, So let me understand the grandma
36:22
Speaker 1: lives next to the boyfriend. They're in Florida. She is
36:26
Speaker 1: in Syracuse, Indiana. How in the world would she have
36:31
Speaker 1: gotten there unless someone came and got her or she
36:34
Speaker 1: took a bus. But we don't. It can't be a bus,
36:37
Speaker 1: show Scott, because she Oh, it can't be a bus.
36:40
Speaker 1: What's gone within ten minutes of leaving home? Yeah, And
36:44
Speaker 1: this is the key, isn't it. You know, she's fourteen
36:47
Speaker 1: years old, Nancy. She has limited resources and limited options.
36:51
Speaker 1: It's not like she's a college student. She can't call
36:55
Speaker 1: an uber, you know, more than likely. I guess she could.
36:58
Speaker 1: But it's just one of these things where you have
37:00
Speaker 1: to have some kind of outside force facilitating this. If
37:03
Speaker 1: this is something where she has initiated a separation from
37:08
Speaker 1: her father, you know, come and pick away from her
37:11
Speaker 1: mother too, where have you pre arranged? Have you pre
37:16
Speaker 1: arranged a meeting spot? Now? I find it curious as well.
37:19
Speaker 1: We had mentioned earlier that daddy had taken her phone
37:24
Speaker 1: away from her, and then she goes out allegedly and
37:27
Speaker 1: purchases her own phone. You know, you can go and
37:30
Speaker 1: get a burner phone somewhere. So she took the initiative
37:33
Speaker 1: to go ahead and do that, and maybe he was
37:35
Speaker 1: trying to stem this idea of her meeting up with somebody,
37:39
Speaker 1: having communications this sort of thing. And I don't know.
37:43
Speaker 1: I think that it's very difficult for fourteen year old
37:47
Speaker 1: just to up and vanish without having some help, or
37:50
Speaker 1: as Spencer talked about, you go to this really ominous
37:53
Speaker 1: side where you have an individual that has snatched her
37:56
Speaker 1: for a nefarious purposes. Take a listen to our friend
37:58
Speaker 1: reported career in rose Port, Wayne's NBC ore cut thirteen.
38:02
Speaker 1: Ever since April twenty seventh, the Syracuse Police Chief says
38:05
Speaker 1: investigators have been chasing down every lead. It's definitely an
38:08
Speaker 1: urgency in locating her. You know, we're given that everything
38:12
Speaker 1: we have, we are working with in the nastate please
38:17
Speaker 1: utilizing all the tools their disposal. So now what do
38:20
Speaker 1: we do. What's the next step to you, jes Scott Morgan,
38:24
Speaker 1: The next step, Nancy is to get this information out
38:28
Speaker 1: on you know, we're in a different world, you know,
38:30
Speaker 1: relative to social media. She's gonna pop up, and she's
38:35
Speaker 1: on social media anyway. We think that there's a footprint
38:38
Speaker 1: of her out there. She has known. You see these
38:40
Speaker 1: beautiful pictures of her that look like she's been on
38:43
Speaker 1: the gram as it were, and people know her or
38:46
Speaker 1: have seen her. This is going to be a draw.
38:49
Speaker 1: So people have to get the word out to her.
38:51
Speaker 1: She's not just going to go into a deep dark hole.
38:54
Speaker 1: If this has been initiated by somebody in her circle
38:57
Speaker 1: that has spirited her away, say to Florida, she's going
39:01
Speaker 1: to surface down there. However, if we begin to look
39:04
Speaker 1: at in the other direction, that's where the fads are
39:06
Speaker 1: really going to have to do a deep dive and
39:08
Speaker 1: bring upon all of their resources where they can hopefully,
39:12
Speaker 1: hopefully get her out of the hands of whoever it
39:15
Speaker 1: is that has taken her. What about it, Spencer Courson, Yeah,
39:18
Speaker 1: I completely agree. The entire ordeal just needs to raise
39:24
Speaker 1: in size and scope and really dial down into what
39:28
Speaker 1: actually happened, and so this can be resolved as quickly
39:30
Speaker 1: as possible. I would say to try and track the
39:34
Speaker 1: cell punch she's carrying, and trying to track that chromebook
39:39
Speaker 1: or any other devices. That's the best way to find
39:42
Speaker 1: a young girl. The father insisting along with police that
39:45
Speaker 1: she is in danger. Tip line five seven two six
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Speaker 1: seven five six six seven, help us bring Aliyah home.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Kind's story, signing off Goodbye friend,