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Florida Man obsessed with "Bulgarian Sex-Cam Girl," murders his family, steals $200,00 to buy lingerie! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A wellness call this morning
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Speaker 1: ended with Seminole County deputies finding three people dead inside
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Speaker 1: a Chuliota home. Somebody who lived at a residence on
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Speaker 1: Sultan did not report to work. His boss became concerned.
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Speaker 1: He made a couple of calls. That's brompt the Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: office responding. The call was made to dispatch around nine
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Speaker 1: o'clock this morning, but Sheriff Dennis Lima says it's believed
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Speaker 1: the homicides took place between twen o'clock last night and
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Speaker 1: seven o'clock this morning. The victims, two men in their
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Speaker 1: thirties and a woman in her fifties, were shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: It looks like the person who was responsible for these
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Speaker 1: murders was known to the family, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: do everything that we can to ensure that we get
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Speaker 1: that person in custody. Deputies are searching for twenty nine
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Speaker 1: year old Grant a motto. Three people dead, one home.
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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine police going and finding that scene, and
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Speaker 1: they were tipped off by what's called a welfare check.
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Speaker 1: Wait till you hear what we have uncovered in this case.
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Speaker 1: My mind is totally blown away. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: So police walk in based on a welfare check and
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Speaker 1: they find three dead bodies, clothed, no appearent robbery. What
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Speaker 1: the hey? First of all with me an all star
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Speaker 1: lineup today. Julie Rendelman, New York criminal defense attorney, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Cole Case Investigative Research Institute, Renowned forensic
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober and retired chief medical examiner doctor
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Speaker 1: Chris Sperry. Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter, Doctor Sperry.
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Speaker 1: First to you, I don't even want to count the
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Speaker 1: number of homicide scenes I've seen or autopsies. I have
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Speaker 1: reviewed many of them. With you, doctor Sperry. When you
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Speaker 1: walk into a scene and everybody, medical examiners just don't
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Speaker 1: just sit behind their desk, get the morgue. They have
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Speaker 1: a fleet of investigators that also investigate homicides. Only what
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Speaker 1: do three dead bodies in a home, no sex attack,
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Speaker 1: no robbery, no forced entry tell you? Well, the first
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Speaker 1: thing that that tells me is that there's probably some
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Speaker 1: relationship between the victims and the perpetrator, including family relationships.
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Speaker 1: Family relationships, something in common such as drug sales, something
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Speaker 1: that went bad. But there's that's the best place to
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Speaker 1: start is viewing this as there is an interrelationship between
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Speaker 1: the victims and the perpetrator. Well, you know what, Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at w k MG. This is Nikki Sesasa.
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Speaker 1: This six page affidavit reveals details about the moments leading
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Speaker 1: up to the gruesome triple homicide inside this Julio to
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Speaker 1: home investigators believe was at the hands of Grant Amato.
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Speaker 1: And it is utterly shocking. You know. The question that
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Speaker 1: everybody wants answered is how could this possibly happen? And
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Speaker 1: who did this? It's a burning question. Attorney Stephen Kramer
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Speaker 1: says may be complicated in proving who murdered Margaret, Chad
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Speaker 1: and Codiamato. This is not a slam dunk for the
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Speaker 1: defense by any stretch. You know, this is a case
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Speaker 1: where it is going to depend on really good, hard
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Speaker 1: nosed detective work. The report includes an interview with Codiamato's
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Speaker 1: girlfriend about what may have prompted the deadly feud. She
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Speaker 1: claims Grant stole two hundred thousand dollars from his parents
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Speaker 1: to communicate with an online call girl from Bulgaria on
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Speaker 1: a pornographic website, and the report she also claims Cody
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Speaker 1: told her that he was afraid Grant would kill everyone. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, just let that sink in. Ladies, listen to this. Men,
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Speaker 1: if you're into this, get out of it. We are
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Speaker 1: talking about a seemingly meek and mild Florida male nurse
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Speaker 1: who allegedly guns down his whole family execution style after
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Speaker 1: they demand he repay them the two hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: he stole to fund an obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, let me go to you. You're the investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Could you explain in detail what is a cam girl.
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Speaker 1: Cam girl is a woman who will perform everything from
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Speaker 1: sexy dancing to sex acts on a webcam that men
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Speaker 1: or women from around the world can pay to actually
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Speaker 1: view either live or recorded videos of the actual cam Mardel,
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Speaker 1: can I wait a minute. Sexy dancing? Okay, thank you
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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard for the little demonstration. You're I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that was. He'd looked like I had a convulsion.
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Speaker 1: But sexy dancing. Now, let me understand it's something to
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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel bober Or. Let me bring it a shrink
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Speaker 1: real quick. You actually pay somebody money to dance around
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Speaker 1: in their underwear? Am I hearing this? And he guns
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Speaker 1: down his family? Yeah, he runs through two hundred thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: and so you know something, it's funny, But I actually
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Speaker 1: have some patients that actually do this. Um. I have
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Speaker 1: one of them patients. She makes something like two hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars every fifteen minutes, and so they give a percentage
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Speaker 1: to the people hosting the site. And you know, these
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Speaker 1: are people that don't have a lot of education, and
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Speaker 1: so they can make so much money doing it. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's almost it almost becomes an addiction. It's in and
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Speaker 1: of itself because the money is so lucrative. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: poo pooing it. Cheryl McCollum with me, director of the
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Speaker 1: Cole Case Research Institute and crime tech expert Cheryl. Before
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Speaker 1: I get to this scene, can we just talk about
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Speaker 1: this for a moment. I gotta tell you a true story,
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Speaker 1: all right, Like that's how every bad story starts. I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you a true story. But we have a
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Speaker 1: friend from college. Well, it's my husband's friend. And he
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Speaker 1: seemed normal, all right, and a wonderful marriage. All of
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Speaker 1: a sudden we find out he's getting a divorce. He's
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Speaker 1: in love with a stripper. I'm like, she does not
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Speaker 1: love you, she loves your money. This girl who had
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Speaker 1: a son, went through everything he owned to keep her
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Speaker 1: son in private school, would not marry or move in
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Speaker 1: with the friend, ran through all his money, lost his home,
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Speaker 1: his marriage, and his job by the way, because he
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Speaker 1: went to so much credit card bankruptcy, blah blah debt,
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Speaker 1: and then she left. That was it. After she picked
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Speaker 1: him clean, she left, and he's still obsessed with her.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Help me out. I mean, how
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Speaker 1: many homicides have you? And I investigated the start at
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Speaker 1: a strip club or some and I guess this is
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Speaker 1: the next generation a cam girl. Well is it. It's
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Speaker 1: actually a pretty good way if you're going to do
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Speaker 1: this for a living, because it actually makes you as
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Speaker 1: a dancer or performer safer. But again, they'd be two
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. But I think it's important to mission
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Speaker 1: that's been a three month period of time. So this
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Speaker 1: dude is spending two thousand dollars a day to watch
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Speaker 1: this girl perform sex tacks over a videos. She's never
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Speaker 1: toudged him, she's never pleasured him in any way, they've
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Speaker 1: never met. She's in another Wait, I didn't know people actually,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know people actually still said that she never
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Speaker 1: pleasured him in any way. You've been reading way too
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Speaker 1: many romance novels. I don't know how you fit that
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Speaker 1: in between the crime says in the Cold Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: So I can't wait to hear this. You want to
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Speaker 1: me right now, well known New York criminal defense attorney
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Speaker 1: Julie Randelman. So, how in the world do you turn
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Speaker 1: this guy's obsession with a cam girl who, as Dave
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Speaker 1: Max says, sexy dances for him, and then he guns
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Speaker 1: down his whole family for two hundred thousand dollars he's
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Speaker 1: stole to pay her. First of all, I'm still focused
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Speaker 1: on the word pleasure myself thinking about that. But remember,
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Speaker 1: I've got everything you say on today. Died from that.
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Speaker 1: I think you know. Keep in mind that you know
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Speaker 1: he's watching this girl without thinking about the fact that
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Speaker 1: many other men are watching this girl. But for some
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Speaker 1: reason in his head he thinks he's the one that
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Speaker 1: has the unique relationship with her such that he needs
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Speaker 1: to save that relationship at all costs, even at the
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Speaker 1: express of his family, which obviously, I think from most
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Speaker 1: of us viewing, is more than just the normal person
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Speaker 1: who's going to a strip club. This is someone who
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Speaker 1: has now had some kind of delusion. Hold a normal
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Speaker 1: person going to a strip club. Let me just digest
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Speaker 1: that for a moment, because I can tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: If I get up in the morning and start working
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Speaker 1: at five o'clock, which I do, work, work, work, take
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Speaker 1: care of the children, cook the whole shebang, and I
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Speaker 1: find out David Lynch is kicked back at a strip club,
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Speaker 1: oh honey, there is going to be h E double
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Speaker 1: L two pay. It might be normal for Julie Rendelman
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Speaker 1: in New York to go to a strip club, but
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Speaker 1: it is not for Nancy Grace and David. If you're listen,
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Speaker 1: it's not normal for you either. Remember that Climb stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Grant Amato was picked up by deputies
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Speaker 1: at a hotel room in Orange County at seven forty
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Speaker 1: five this morning. Deputies here are not saying which hotel
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Speaker 1: room that was, or which hotel that was at this point,
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Speaker 1: but they are saying that he is an investigative detention
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Speaker 1: at this point and not under arrest yet. Twenty nine
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Speaker 1: year old Grant Amato remains in custody as a person
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Speaker 1: of interest. Deputies considered him armed and dangerous when they
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Speaker 1: began searching for him yesterday. This all happened after three people,
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Speaker 1: two men in their thirties and a woman in her fifties,
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Speaker 1: were found shot and killed inside a home on Sultan
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Speaker 1: Circle in Chuliota Friday morning. Deputies responded to the house
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Speaker 1: for a well being check when they found what they
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Speaker 1: called a gruesome situation and quickly realized this was not
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Speaker 1: a random act of violence. This is just a horrific
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Speaker 1: experience for everybody. One victim is in the general area
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Speaker 1: of the garage, one victim is in the kitchen area
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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure the exact and then another victim
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Speaker 1: is in like what appears to be in the family office.
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Speaker 1: Deputies released this picture of a white Honda Accord that
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Speaker 1: a Motto was believed to be driving that belonged to
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Speaker 1: a relative of one of the victims. That car turned
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Speaker 1: up in the parking lot of a hotel in Orange County,
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Speaker 1: where deputies quickly located a Motto staying in one of
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Speaker 1: the rooms you're hearing our friend Clay Leonard with wk
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Speaker 1: MG wow, a male nurse of Florida. Nurse just twenty
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Speaker 1: nine years old, allegedly shoots and kills his family execution style,
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Speaker 1: one by one as they come home after they demand
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Speaker 1: he repay them nearly a quarter million dollars he stole
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Speaker 1: to fund an obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl that
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Speaker 1: he would send her sex toys in lingerie. She would
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Speaker 1: send him explicit photos and videos in return. Her name,
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Speaker 1: if it's her real name is Sylvia Vinceslova out of Bulgaria.
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Speaker 1: I mean WHOA wiping out? Nearly your whole family listened
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Speaker 1: to WKMG. The Amato boys played outside and grew up together.
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Speaker 1: Grant Amato became a problem for his entire family by
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Speaker 1: the end of twenty eighteen when he used more than
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Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars that he got from his father
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Speaker 1: and brother and gave it to an online cam girl
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Speaker 1: in Bulgaria. He wasn't allowed to communicate with her anymore.
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Speaker 1: The situation even forced an intervention between Granda Motto and
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Speaker 1: his family ending with Grant being driven to a clinic
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Speaker 1: in South Florida to treat his problems. One month before,
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Speaker 1: Grant's mother, father, and brother Cody were murdered. That was
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Speaker 1: the last time that I saw Cody. You my dad.
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Speaker 1: Granda Motto is accused of killing his parents and brother
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Speaker 1: Cody at their Julio to home in January, a day
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Speaker 1: brother Jason recalled vividly as police showed up at his work.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty scary. So they came into the building,
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Speaker 1: and the whole building I shut down. Their leader gave
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Speaker 1: me very general details that there was a woman and
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Speaker 1: two males in their thirties found in the house. Um
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Speaker 1: so ayah. I just tried to answer. I mean no,
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Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, So I just tried to answer their
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Speaker 1: questions as best as possible. Nearly released documents that we
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Speaker 1: have obtained reveal a mottos and sex toys and lingerie
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Speaker 1: to the cam girl, and uses nearly a quarter million
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Speaker 1: dollars of his families money to pay for her, As
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Speaker 1: Dave Max says, sexy dancing and sex acts over a
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Speaker 1: webcam a woman in another country. A flash drive seized
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Speaker 1: by investigators contain dozens of pornographic images and video between
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Speaker 1: a Motto and mentis Lasova. One photo shows her hand
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Speaker 1: holding a sex toy in the show, surposing in a
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Speaker 1: g string thong. I gotta hand it to her. She's beautiful,
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Speaker 1: all right, but the devil to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists,
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Speaker 1: Well wait, hold on, doctor Bober, Dave mac, I know that,
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Speaker 1: according to police information, that he would murder each family
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Speaker 1: member as they came home, ambushed them. What more do
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Speaker 1: we know about the actual murders. What we know is
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Speaker 1: that it looks like he murdered his mother first, she
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Speaker 1: was sitting at her desk in the family office, and
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Speaker 1: then he next was his dad. When his dad arrived
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Speaker 1: home from work, it looks like he too was killed then.
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Speaker 1: And then Cody, the brother, was killed several hours later
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Speaker 1: when he came home to check on the family. That
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Speaker 1: looked like the crime scene was staged after the fact,
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Speaker 1: which is something that came up that they believed that
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Speaker 1: Grant actually tried to stage it as to make it
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Speaker 1: look like a murder suicide and that his brother Cody
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Speaker 1: was the actual guy who did the murder and suicide.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining us. Doctor Bober,
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Speaker 1: you heard from KMG WKMG that they had actually taken him,
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Speaker 1: carried him, driven him to a treatment center in South
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Speaker 1: Florida for porn addiction. I've never heard of porn addiction
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Speaker 1: resulting in triple homicide. Well, you know what, Nancy were,
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Speaker 1: You're talking about porn addiction or you're talking about gambling.
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Speaker 1: It's not about it's not about the sex or the money.
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Speaker 1: It's about using an uncomfortable behavior to deal with uncomfortable feelings.
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Speaker 1: It's a compulsion. So usually people who have these types
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Speaker 1: of addictions have underlying depression, anxiety, and difficulty dealing with stress,
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Speaker 1: and they use the behavior to cope with it in
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Speaker 1: a maladaptive way. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober is talking about, because every guy I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen that was addicted to his trip clubs, it
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Speaker 1: was about these women. Or wait, Cheryl, is it about
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Speaker 1: controlling them? I mean, I'm looking at it from a
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Speaker 1: lay person point of view, and I'm not proud to
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Speaker 1: say that I've been too many strip clubs just to
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Speaker 1: get witnesses. Sure in daylight, daylight hours. Oh, Cheryl there's
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Speaker 1: not anything much grosser that is strip club during the daylight.
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Speaker 1: I mean it is skanky, it smells. You see what
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Speaker 1: it really is. It is gross, Cheryl. I agree, Nancy club.
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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing that I always try
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Speaker 1: to do on my cases is look it past behavior.
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Speaker 1: One thing about Grant is he was fired from being
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Speaker 1: a nurse because he gave patience medication because he did
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Speaker 1: not believe that they were relaxed enough that the doctors
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Speaker 1: had done a good enough job. So this is somebody
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Speaker 1: that believes that he knows better than a doctor. He's
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Speaker 1: not going to take a doctor of order. Well, that
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Speaker 1: tells her right there, and he ain't going to take
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Speaker 1: his mama's order. So when he gets back from REHAF,
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Speaker 1: they sit down with him and give him a list
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Speaker 1: of rules, one being you're not allowed to contact this
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Speaker 1: woman anymore, and another you're going to be limited with
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Speaker 1: the Wi Fi code and you've got to go to
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Speaker 1: Starbucks even get on the internet. He was not going
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Speaker 1: to live that way too, Doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical examin Or, Doctor Sperry, how can you tell that all?
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Speaker 1: For instance, in a triple homicide like this that it's
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Speaker 1: been staged, apparently staging it to make it look like
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Speaker 1: one of them have been the perpetrator and killed the others. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's really looking at the sea and evidence, looking at
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Speaker 1: the bodies themselves, and any evidence that shows that the
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Speaker 1: bodies have been moved or repositioned in some way, because
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Speaker 1: once a person is shot, there's going to be bleeding
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Speaker 1: and bleeding and very defined patterns, and any terations in
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Speaker 1: those patterns, any changes in the coloration of the bodies
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Speaker 1: that shows that they have been turned or posed in
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Speaker 1: some way, that immediately gives the indication that the scene
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Speaker 1: has been altered. The scene has been changed, and so
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Speaker 1: there's always a reason for changing a scene like this,
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Speaker 1: changing death scenes, especially with multiple victims. So you know,
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Speaker 1: the next level is to conclude or reach a determination
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Speaker 1: as to why has the bodies been changed, Why have
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Speaker 1: the positions been moved, Why has there evidence say that
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Speaker 1: blood was tried, you know, attempts were made to clean
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Speaker 1: blood up, things like that, because if you can discern
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Speaker 1: the changes in the scene, you can figure out the
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Speaker 1: motive for doing that, and that again steers back to
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Speaker 1: the involvement of another person. Fancy Grace here, I remember
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Speaker 1: every night before I would go to work at CNN
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Speaker 1: hill In, I would bathe the twins and that was
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Speaker 1: a special time for me. Anyway, I would teach them
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Speaker 1: their ABC's they're one, two threes. Lucy would only eat
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Speaker 1: dinner in the bathtub. I defeat her dinner in the bathtub.
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Speaker 1: I would give her one full hour in John David,
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Speaker 1: one full hour that I would actually go to work,
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Speaker 1: so king wet. It was one of the happiest times
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Speaker 1: of my life, and I guess that's why I gravitated
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Speaker 1: to Emily Mason. Emily Mason gorgeous young professor at a
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Speaker 1: local college, Swainsburg, Georgia, East george College. I traveled to
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Speaker 1: Swainsborough to investigate her death, and this is what I learnt.
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Speaker 1: Emily was bathing her two little girls in the tub
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Speaker 1: when someone came in to her home chased her from
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Speaker 1: room to room. The last thing her little girls ever
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Speaker 1: heard from their mother was Mommy running screaming for her life.
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Speaker 1: Those are their vivid last memories of Mommy. She was
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered and you may ask where was her husband
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Speaker 1: daring all this while her husband also a professor at
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Speaker 1: East Georgia College. Pe professor, a Pe coach happened to
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Speaker 1: be gone. He just happened to leave for a local
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Speaker 1: Walmart or home depot or lows and in that short
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Speaker 1: window of time he comes home to find his wife
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Speaker 1: dead in the home. The children, one was non verbal,
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Speaker 1: could hardly describe a thing what happened to Emily Mason.
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Speaker 1: Her story really has touched me, the mystery surrounding the death,
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Speaker 1: the brutal death of this young mom, Emily Mason. This Saturday,
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Speaker 1: we will be facebooking, instagramming, and tweeting live throughout the episode.
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Speaker 1: This Saturday auction August seventeen, six p m. Eastern, five Central.
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Speaker 1: Please join us, Thanks friend. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Granda Motto, and his older brother Jason together in an
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Speaker 1: interview room hours after their family was found dead inside
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Speaker 1: their Julio to home, Grant denying he had anything to
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Speaker 1: do with the murders, but his brother didn't believe him.
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Speaker 1: I need you to be honest with me, man, I
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Speaker 1: need to have closure. Their parents and brother were found
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Speaker 1: shot to death on January twenty fifth. Deputy Say Grant
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Speaker 1: pulled the trigger record show he argued with his family
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Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the murders because he
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Speaker 1: stole two hundred thousand dollars just into a woman in
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Speaker 1: Bulgaria he met on a porn site. Grant says their
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Speaker 1: debts had nothing to do with the woman, but he
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Speaker 1: couldn't explain who would kill their family. I don't understand
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Speaker 1: why it happened. I was taking mine steps forward despite
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Speaker 1: everything I was supposed to do. Prosecutors released this video
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Speaker 1: of Grantamada's attorneys arguing he should be released on bond,
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Speaker 1: saying there's not enough evidence to hold him. The judge
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Speaker 1: denying their request, his lawyer saying the state doesn't have
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Speaker 1: a case. He still do not have any forensic govern
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Speaker 1: he said, links into this set crime. So would you
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Speaker 1: just have to proceed with what would he have? It
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Speaker 1: is purely circumstantial at this point. At the end of
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Speaker 1: the sixteen minute video, Jason hugs his brother, saying he
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Speaker 1: still loves him. I will pray for you, brother, because
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Speaker 1: I can't pray for mom, Did and Tody anymore. Wow,
22:51
Speaker 1: you're hearing from our friend Amanda cast show at WKMG six.
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Speaker 1: A man allegedly guns down his whole family when they
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Speaker 1: insist he stopped his obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl.
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Speaker 1: He can't take it. They put him in treatment for
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Speaker 1: porn addiction. It doesn't work. They all end up dead.
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Speaker 1: How just Sharyl mccollins, director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Fancy? One thing they're
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Speaker 1: gonna want to do is look at that electronic footprint.
23:21
Speaker 1: They're gonna want to see how much contact he had
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Speaker 1: with this woman in Bulgaria after the murders. They're gonna
23:28
Speaker 1: want to see bank accounts, what money was taken, when
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Speaker 1: and from whom, and when was it transferred to her.
23:35
Speaker 1: They're gonna put together this whole timeline to show exactly
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Speaker 1: what his movements were prior to the murders and most
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Speaker 1: importantly after. I just it's hard for me to take
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Speaker 1: in an obsession so strong you kill your whole family.
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Speaker 1: To New York criminal defense attorney Julie Rendelman, I mean,
23:56
Speaker 1: of course, voluntary consumption of drugs or alcohol, unless you're
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Speaker 1: totally commentose, is never a defense under the law in crimes.
24:05
Speaker 1: You can't just say, oh, I was drunk or I
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Speaker 1: was high. How can you twist an obsession, a sex
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Speaker 1: or poor an obsession into a defense. Look, I think
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Speaker 1: I think when you especially with this young man, I
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Speaker 1: think it was more than just an obsession. The family
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Speaker 1: had been dealing with depression and suice thoughts with this
24:26
Speaker 1: kid for a while. I think it had had two
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Speaker 1: separate times the police that had to come. So I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's just about the Bulgarian girl. I think
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Speaker 1: there's something not right with him on top of that,
24:36
Speaker 1: and even when you watch I watched that video last
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Speaker 1: night was so troubling. There is something off about him,
24:42
Speaker 1: whether before or after this crime. So that's I would explore,
24:46
Speaker 1: as the defense attorney. Prosecutors say, he stole nearly a
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Speaker 1: quarter million dollars from his father, mother, and brother to
24:53
Speaker 1: present himself as rich and successful, lavishing this Bulgarian cam
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Speaker 1: girl with clothes and gifts. So somehow the family gets
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Speaker 1: onto it and they suddenly get the girl. I guess
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Speaker 1: call her or reach her on camp and tell her
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Speaker 1: he's not rich, he's not a successful businessman. Dave Mac,
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Speaker 1: Is that how it went down? Dave Mac joining me
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Speaker 1: crying online dot Com investigative reporter, Actually, that's exactly what happened, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know you talked about how they did the intervention
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Speaker 1: and put him in rehab where it was during that
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Speaker 1: two week window of time where the family contacted this
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Speaker 1: woman in Bulgaria and said exactly what has happened. That
25:34
Speaker 1: he stole money, that he's broke, that he's out of
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Speaker 1: a job, that he lives at home with his mom
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Speaker 1: and dad, and that's what really ticked him off. And
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Speaker 1: something the attorney just mentioned a minute ago about when
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Speaker 1: did he contact did he contact her after the death?
25:48
Speaker 1: You know, within an hour he had been cut off,
25:51
Speaker 1: his phone had been cut off, his family had totally
25:53
Speaker 1: cut him off from everything. But within hours he was
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Speaker 1: of the death of his family. He was trying to
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Speaker 1: access this woman using his brother's phone. The last activity
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Speaker 1: on the computer or in the office where the mom,
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Speaker 1: Margaret was found dead, was about a quarter of five.
26:09
Speaker 1: We learned she was killed very shortly after that. Then
26:13
Speaker 1: Chad shot about thirty minutes later after coming home from work.
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Speaker 1: Cody shot about four hours later, as soon as he
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Speaker 1: comes home from work, and he's still trying to reach
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Speaker 1: the girl. I mean, straight back to you, Cheryl, What
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Speaker 1: a blow that must have been to his morale for
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Speaker 1: them to tell the girl he's not rich and successful,
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Speaker 1: He's not some millionaire businessman. He lives at home with
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Speaker 1: his mom and dad. That filled the deal right there.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing more humiliating they could have done to
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Speaker 1: him again, Nancy, this is a guy that didn't have
26:47
Speaker 1: a lot of girls in high school, didn't have a
26:49
Speaker 1: lot of women in college. From what we can tell,
26:52
Speaker 1: nobody was a knocking on his door. It was only
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Speaker 1: this person that was given him attention. And I'm going
26:58
Speaker 1: to tell you again, to thousand dollars a day, if
27:02
Speaker 1: you figure the average sex toys forty bucks, he sent
27:06
Speaker 1: her five thousand toys give me a break, just when
27:10
Speaker 1: they called her and basically outed him. I think he'd
27:16
Speaker 1: beyond snap at that point, and he had made his
27:19
Speaker 1: mind up. But he was going to kill every one
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Speaker 1: of them, and that's why he started with mom, hold on,
27:23
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't hear anything you said after three
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Speaker 1: words five thousand sex toys. I just I couldn't hear anything.
27:32
Speaker 1: My head started spinning, my ears were buzzing. I can
27:34
Speaker 1: only see red right now. Did she just say that,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack? And if why did she say it? Not?
27:40
Speaker 1: You you're the crime online dot Com investigative reporter. You're
27:43
Speaker 1: withholding evidence. Nobody told me, he bought her five thousand
27:46
Speaker 1: that's five zero zero zero sex toys. What a nut.
27:52
Speaker 1: He actually spent over two hundred thousand dollars on sex
27:54
Speaker 1: toys and the video conferencing watching her on video because
27:58
Speaker 1: you had to pay six hundred units or a couple
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars for each fifteen minute session that he had
28:06
Speaker 1: with this so called you know whatever girl you want
28:08
Speaker 1: to call her. You know, he thought it was his
28:09
Speaker 1: girlfriend and he was having to pay for any communication.
28:12
Speaker 1: And after everything was said and done, he actually begged
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Speaker 1: her to send him something for free. After the family
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Speaker 1: had cut him off, after they had added him to
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Speaker 1: this girl, he begged her to send him something for
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Speaker 1: free because he said he felt weird having to pay
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Speaker 1: to have videos with her. Did I hear you say
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Speaker 1: he thought she was his girlfriend? Yes, ma'am. He actually
28:30
Speaker 1: was so deluded, Nancy, that he believed of the thousands
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Speaker 1: and thousands of people around the world that were watching
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Speaker 1: this girl every day at time she was on the air,
28:38
Speaker 1: that it was a special relationship between the two of them,
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Speaker 1: to the point where he didn't think he should be
28:43
Speaker 1: paying for it anymore. That he had sent her all
28:45
Speaker 1: this money he had sent her all these lingerie and
28:47
Speaker 1: sex toys and that he thought in his messed up
28:50
Speaker 1: head that they actually were boyfriend girlfriend. That's just what
28:53
Speaker 1: David's friend thought too. Okay, now hold on just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand something to doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Doctor Sperry, how can you look at a
29:05
Speaker 1: body until it's a homicide not a suicide? Well, first
29:10
Speaker 1: of all, there's you have to have obviously leafal wounds
29:14
Speaker 1: and these are gunshot wounds. But you know, a gunshot wound,
29:18
Speaker 1: you know, a single wound in the back of the
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Speaker 1: head with no other weapon around, no got no firearm
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Speaker 1: within reach. That's cold, excuse, incredibly suspicious to start with.
29:29
Speaker 1: I mean, those are homicides until proven otherwise. And when
29:33
Speaker 1: you when there's evidence that other people have had access
29:37
Speaker 1: into where the body was. You know, there's just a
29:39
Speaker 1: whole litany of different things that make a death like
29:43
Speaker 1: this incredibly suspicious. So it's it's really based upon the
29:46
Speaker 1: appearance of the body. You know, the wounds they have,
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Speaker 1: where the location of the wounds, the absence of a weapon,
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Speaker 1: and then accessibility. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, defense lawyer
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Speaker 1: spent the day trying to poke holes in the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: claim that Grant Amato, who was teary eyed in court today,
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Speaker 1: killed his parents an older brother than stage the scene
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Speaker 1: of a murder suicide. The defense today questioned crime scene investigators,
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Speaker 1: asking them why more wasn't done the first day to
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Speaker 1: test for evidence when they first arrived at the Amatto home.
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Speaker 1: Was the laptop process at all for Prince No, it
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Speaker 1: was not. Crime scene tech Arthur Rubart, testifying, said the
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Speaker 1: front door of the home, for example, was not swapped
30:37
Speaker 1: the first day when they responded all because they believed
30:41
Speaker 1: their main suspect lived there. This possibly could be some
30:44
Speaker 1: important evidence here, couldn't it possibly? Why didn't you process it? Though?
30:49
Speaker 1: Prosecutors said evidence shows that Grant Amatto moved his dead
30:52
Speaker 1: parents and brothers bodies after he killed them. A crime
30:55
Speaker 1: scene tech said a hoster and a gun seemingly placed
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Speaker 1: on the hip of Grant's dad just didn't seem right
31:01
Speaker 1: since he was right handed. If you were carrying it
31:05
Speaker 1: the way that he has it, and you're right handed,
31:08
Speaker 1: you would have to pull it out awkwardly, point it
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Speaker 1: out yourself, and then point it towards somebody to fire it.
31:16
Speaker 1: Which just doesn't make any sense. You're hearing our friend,
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Speaker 1: reporter Jerry Askin at WKMG to Dave back Crybal on
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Speaker 1: light dot Com, investigative reporter explained to me how he
31:28
Speaker 1: used his dad's his own father's a bloody fingerprint to
31:31
Speaker 1: his advantage. Well, you know, in many cell phones nowadays,
31:35
Speaker 1: you have to use a fingerprint to actually access it,
31:38
Speaker 1: as opposed to just typing in a password. And again,
31:42
Speaker 1: his grant's phone had been cut off, his family had
31:44
Speaker 1: cut his phone off and everything else, and so he
31:46
Speaker 1: was trying to access one of these phones in the
31:48
Speaker 1: house to actually call that girl. And he took his
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Speaker 1: dad after his dad was dead, and one of those
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Speaker 1: fingers on his dad's body was actually less bloody than
31:58
Speaker 1: the others, and the police believe that he used that
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Speaker 1: finger to get the fingerprint to access his dad's farm.
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Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: allegations or he killed his father and brother because they
32:12
Speaker 1: were in his way, and killed his mother as well
32:16
Speaker 1: because she happened to be there, and after killing them,
32:19
Speaker 1: used the public Wi Fi and nearby publics to log
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Speaker 1: on to try to talk to the web girl. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what does that say about his state of mind? Cheryl
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Speaker 1: completely delusional and in his mind nacy. Not only did
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Speaker 1: they have a relationship, he loved her. This is probably
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Speaker 1: the first female they called him by names, that asked
32:42
Speaker 1: him questions, that did what he asked. If he'd sent
32:45
Speaker 1: her a beautiful lingerie, she wore it. If he asked
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Speaker 1: her to perform anything particular, she did, that they had
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Speaker 1: a wonderful relationship. In his mom two hundred thousand dollars,
32:59
Speaker 1: did you Rendelman, New York criminal defense attorney. It's going
33:03
Speaker 1: to be hard to spend that into any kind of
33:07
Speaker 1: let me just say, psychotic break or a mental defect
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Speaker 1: when after killing them, he has the wherewithal to use
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Speaker 1: his father's bloody fingerprint to open his dad's phone, so
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Speaker 1: he grant a motto, can use the phone to call
33:22
Speaker 1: the strip. Yeah, it is tough, but you know, no
33:24
Speaker 1: words are better for defense attorney than hearing someone say
33:27
Speaker 1: the word delusional when it comes to a client when
33:29
Speaker 1: we're looking for a mental disease or defect kind of defense.
33:32
Speaker 1: And so it is true that some of his actions
33:35
Speaker 1: afterwards clearly indicate that he was well aware of what
33:37
Speaker 1: he was doing. Remember, there's going to probably be two
33:40
Speaker 1: phases in this type of case. There's a defenalty phase,
33:43
Speaker 1: and so a lot of this information is going to
33:45
Speaker 1: be helpful if and when it comes to a defenalty phase.
33:48
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're right, Julie Rendelman, take
33:51
Speaker 1: a listen to this. We the jury find the definite
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Speaker 1: guilty of first degree premeditated murder. Tears coming from family
33:58
Speaker 1: members as the verdict was read late Wednesday night, the
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Speaker 1: jury finding Grandamato guilty on all three counts of killing
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Speaker 1: his parents and brother in their Triliata home in January.
34:08
Speaker 1: I can't say I'm really disappointed into jury. It seems
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Speaker 1: like they went out through all the evidence thoroughly, you know,
34:14
Speaker 1: and there's still our jury. The verdict coming after more
34:17
Speaker 1: than a week of testimony in the case, Prosecutors saying
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Speaker 1: Amato was so obsessed with an online cam girl from
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Speaker 1: Bulgaria that he went as far as to kill his family,
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Speaker 1: something that came after he sent her two hundred thousand
34:28
Speaker 1: dollars that he stole from his parents and lost his job.
34:31
Speaker 1: He was depressed, he was having a contentious relationship with
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Speaker 1: his father and his brother. He finds Sylvy and becomes
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Speaker 1: consumed with the case based largely on circumstantial evidence. Amato
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Speaker 1: did not testify a decision. His attorney says he doesn't
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Speaker 1: regret as he now looks to his client's future. My
34:48
Speaker 1: concern right now is to save my client's life. Wow,
34:50
Speaker 1: you're hearing Mark Lehman at WKMG six to Julie Rendelman,
34:55
Speaker 1: veteran criminal defense attorney. Julie, it's a whole another ball
34:59
Speaker 1: guy at penalty phase, because at that juncture, it's not
35:04
Speaker 1: about guilt or innocence. It is about sentencing. And to
35:08
Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty, of course, the state must prove
35:11
Speaker 1: aggravating circumstances, special circumstances that are set forth by statute
35:17
Speaker 1: in the black and white letter of the Laws, such
35:19
Speaker 1: as killing a cop, killing an elderly or a child
35:24
Speaker 1: lying in wait, murder for hire for pecuniary or money interest,
35:29
Speaker 1: or in this case, mass murder which equals more than
35:33
Speaker 1: one dead body. We all got the listeners probably got
35:39
Speaker 1: very familiar with death penalty cases by listening to the
35:42
Speaker 1: Jodi Arias trial or the Scott Peterson trial. So what
35:46
Speaker 1: but not putting him up as a witness in the
35:49
Speaker 1: case in chief was probably very very wise. I mean,
35:54
Speaker 1: if he's this obsessed with a Bulgarian call girl online,
35:59
Speaker 1: you know, if he's truly obsessed, there's no way he
36:01
Speaker 1: could hide that on the stand. Julie, Yeah, I think
36:04
Speaker 1: it's tough for I think the tough thing for the
36:05
Speaker 1: defense juries in this case is if you start off
36:08
Speaker 1: with the notion to the jury that it wasn't him,
36:11
Speaker 1: which I believe was their position in this case, and
36:14
Speaker 1: then he found guilty, Now you have to completely change
36:16
Speaker 1: it up. You have to now say he was guilty.
36:18
Speaker 1: But and then you have to give all the reasons
36:21
Speaker 1: that we've talked about to try to save his life,
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Speaker 1: i e. Mental illness, all the things that we know
36:26
Speaker 1: about his fixation and his delusion. So it's really tough
36:29
Speaker 1: for the defense to switch gears to try to prove
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Speaker 1: to this jury that his life is worth saving. You know,
36:35
Speaker 1: his parents and his brother's bodies aren't even cold, and
36:39
Speaker 1: he's already at the public's wi FI. I guess right
36:42
Speaker 1: there in the sub Sandwich, Delhi area, there he is.
36:44
Speaker 1: He's just left a triple homicide scene and he's kicked
36:50
Speaker 1: back having some Mardi Gras chicken wings. Cheryl McCollum at
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Speaker 1: public's trying to get Wi Fi to get this girl
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Speaker 1: on the phone. That's not gonna help. And just like
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Speaker 1: Julie Wendelmann Sacher, you go through the whole trial trial
37:02
Speaker 1: going you guys mussed up the crime scene. I didn't
37:04
Speaker 1: do it. I didn't do it. They found him guilty.
37:06
Speaker 1: Now he's got to go with Okay, here the bottom line, Nancy,
37:10
Speaker 1: this man commits math murder to watch a woman he
37:14
Speaker 1: don't know Masturbay. Well, that is certainly stripping away the veneer,
37:19
Speaker 1: as I like to say. But what I'm saying it's
37:21
Speaker 1: about the fact that he can leave the crime scene
37:25
Speaker 1: of his dead mother and father and brother lying there,
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Speaker 1: use his dad's a bloody phone, and head over in
37:33
Speaker 1: the public's to kick back, have a sneaky DC diet
37:37
Speaker 1: coke and try to reach the girl on the phone.
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Speaker 1: Julie Rindelman, the murders themselves are are horrific enough, but
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Speaker 1: the coldness, the total lack of regard for his family.
37:56
Speaker 1: I mean, he truly is obsessed with this girl, Yes
38:02
Speaker 1: he is. And that's why I don't envy the defense
38:04
Speaker 1: attorneys in his case, because you know, they have an
38:07
Speaker 1: uphill battle. The one thing I think they have going
38:09
Speaker 1: for them, ironically, is that Jason seems to really love
38:14
Speaker 1: his brother, and I think they know the journey may
38:17
Speaker 1: be influenced, at the end of the day by the
38:18
Speaker 1: fact that his own brother wants to save his life.
38:21
Speaker 1: Longster a short. At the end of the day, he's
38:23
Speaker 1: just waiting for this girl to say I love you.
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Speaker 1: Come live in Bulgaria. Okay, that is not where he's
38:30
Speaker 1: going to be living. You're absolutely right, Nancy Grant a Motto.
38:33
Speaker 1: After just three hours of deliberation, has been sentenced to
38:39
Speaker 1: life in prison. He avoided the death penalty. That was
38:42
Speaker 1: the only goal his attorney had was to save his life.
38:46
Speaker 1: They accomplish that. Grant Amatto will now spend the rest
38:50
Speaker 1: of his life in prison for killing his mom, his dad,
38:53
Speaker 1: his beloved brother, all because they told his imaginary porn
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Speaker 1: star girlfriend that he wasn't a businessman. Nancy Grace Crimes story,
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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend. H