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AirTag Killer Fate Decided · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, there are breakups and
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Speaker 1: then there are breakups. In the last hours, a stunning
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Speaker 1: development in the case of a woman who tracks down
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend to a Castleton bar, Tilly's Pub and grill
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Speaker 1: by way of an air tag, convinced he's with another woman,
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Speaker 1: and when she sees him in the parking lot, she
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Speaker 1: mows him down, not just once, but making sure she
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Speaker 1: backs up and drives over him again, killing him. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. What was this woman thinking? Galen Marris Young
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Speaker 1: attractive the world before her, but she just can't stand
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Speaker 1: it when her boyfriend Andre, she's convinced anyway, is with
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Speaker 1: another woman. The two were not married, they could date
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Speaker 1: other people, they didn't share a child together. Nothing know
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Speaker 1: anything in the last hours, a jury speaks. So how
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Speaker 1: did this whole thing unfold? First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at WISHTV.
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Speaker 2: Smith was pronounced dead just before one o'clock Friday morning.
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Speaker 2: His family had rushed to the scene on eat eighty
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Speaker 2: second Street. Many of them saw his lifeless body trapped
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Speaker 2: under a car.
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Speaker 3: It's a memory that will haunt them forever.
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Speaker 4: To like an edible industry.
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Speaker 1: I don't want nobody to love me that hard.
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Speaker 2: If you've got to take my life, the emotions are
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Speaker 2: still very wrong. Smith's ants, Bredika and Sandra Day, described
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Speaker 2: the last minutes of their nephew's life.
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Speaker 1: Car crying for help as he was trying to raise
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Speaker 1: his kid up.
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Speaker 5: Ran over my ears.
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Speaker 1: And don't get it a strength this young man, this
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Speaker 1: beautiful young man, really at the beginning of his life,
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Speaker 1: Andre Smith. The thought of him being mowed down seemingly
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Speaker 1: on purpose under that cart, trying to trying to get up,
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Speaker 1: trying to raise up before he died. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: the crying and the sobs in the background. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen again to our friend Richard Essex at w I
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Speaker 1: SHTV is is Kapelli overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: Within minutes, Smith was pronounced dead by the Indianapolis Fire Department.
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Speaker 2: His last moments are replayed in the collective memory of
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Speaker 2: his family, and.
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Speaker 4: It replays every time I bleink right now, it replays
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Speaker 4: every time we have to talk about it, or if.
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Speaker 1: I'm sleep at night. So I can.
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Speaker 4: Only imagine how my sister is feeling right now. I
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Speaker 4: could only imagine it's one thing to you know, injure
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Speaker 4: or wound a person, but to take a life.
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Speaker 1: While they are are yelling for help, help me.
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Speaker 6: A young man and a young lady inside of Calli's.
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Speaker 1: Whoever you are, our hearts go.
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Speaker 4: Out to you and we date you from the bottom
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Speaker 4: of our hearts. Day ran out of the air.
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Speaker 1: And even in the midst of all that pain, Andre's
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Speaker 1: family thanking two of the patrons in the restaurant that
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Speaker 1: came out and tried to help, but to no avail.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now in the brutal murder of
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Speaker 1: this young man in the prime of his life, growing
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Speaker 1: up into the man his mother wanted him to be. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest joining us.
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Speaker 1: This is Andre's mother, Miss Sanders. I do not know
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Speaker 1: how you have the strength to put one foot in
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Speaker 1: front of the other. I'm just so sorry, miss Sanders,
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Speaker 1: what you're going through. First of all, what are your
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Speaker 1: days and nights like as you relive over and over
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Speaker 1: life that your son was killed.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, it's hard for me to sleep at night. I
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Speaker 7: can't focus during the day. It's my son's death is
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Speaker 7: wane heavy on my heart. I just it's horrible, Like
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Speaker 7: I can't stop thinking about my son and I wish
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Speaker 7: I could have been here to help them.
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Speaker 1: How do you get through the day.
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Speaker 7: I'm currently taking anxiety medications. I can't. I have to
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Speaker 7: take them throughout the day because if I don't, I'm
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Speaker 7: crying all day. I keep crying and crying and crying.
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Speaker 1: When did you learn Do you remember that moment you
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Speaker 1: learned Andre had been mowed down?
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Speaker 7: Yes, I remember it. I can't forget it. I had
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Speaker 7: gotten a call from one of my family members and
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Speaker 7: told me that my son, this was the worst that
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Speaker 7: came out of my family members out that he wasn't responding,
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Speaker 7: and I'm like, I asked my family member, who are
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Speaker 7: you talking about, and he stated Andre. I immediately rushed
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Speaker 7: to Community North Hospital in Indianapolis looking for my son.
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Speaker 7: I had no idea what was going on. I just
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Speaker 7: was looking for my baby, and I was going crazy
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Speaker 7: at that time because I hadn't gotten a call from
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Speaker 7: the police or anyone. So I ran to Community North
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Speaker 7: Hospital looking for my baby and he wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: So you're at the hospital, what happened when you got
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Speaker 1: to the hospital.
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Speaker 7: They he didn't have any information on my son Andre.
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Speaker 7: So a family member had reached out at this time
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Speaker 7: with my sister. Because I had blacked out, I had
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Speaker 7: parked somewhere. My sister found me and she came and
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Speaker 7: got me, and my sister ended up talking to one
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Speaker 7: of the family members and they explained to us where
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Speaker 7: my son's body.
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Speaker 1: Was located in heaven. Did you say you blacked out?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, like my sister, she was able. I guess me
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Speaker 7: and her we share locations, so she found where I
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Speaker 7: was at. I was at a speedway gas station near
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Speaker 7: my home. I guess I was driving out of my
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Speaker 7: apartment and my condo and I ended up at a
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Speaker 7: speedway and my sister found me. When she found me,
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Speaker 7: somehow I came back to my senses and then that's
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Speaker 7: where we continued on to go where the family member
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Speaker 7: told me my son's body was.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan with me Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: Death Investigator Starving You Hit series Body Bags with Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on iHeart I could go on. But Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: what is that? Because you heard miss Sanders, this is
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Speaker 1: Andre Smith's mother say she blacked out, which I take
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Speaker 1: to me pass out? What is How do you get
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Speaker 1: so upset you pass out?
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Speaker 8: There's no greater pain in this world than death. I've
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Speaker 8: had a lot of people talk about it, and of
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Speaker 8: course I've seen it throughout my career, and it hits
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Speaker 8: you in a place that's almost primal, because, in my estimation,
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Speaker 8: you're suddenly face to face with the finality of the
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Speaker 8: end of it, the end of life.
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Speaker 1: What happens in your body.
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Speaker 8: It's almost like a shock, a sudden shock. And when
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Speaker 8: I say that, I'm talking about you'll have a dip
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Speaker 8: in blood pressure, you get faint, lightheaded.
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Speaker 3: The world just.
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Speaker 8: Seems to swim about you. I've experienced this with death
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Speaker 8: and my own family as well. I think a lot
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Speaker 8: of us have, and it's just that final realization, and
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Speaker 8: it's it's hard.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold renowned psychiatrists joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com Doctor Angie, what I guess
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott would have a physical explanation about your blood
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Speaker 1: pressure drop? I bet you would have a psychiatric or
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Speaker 1: psychological explanation.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, Nancy, it's it's traumatic. So in all
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Speaker 6: of these cases, what you're describing is a trauma, and
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Speaker 6: we never know how our you know, our body has
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Speaker 6: a fight or flight response, and we just lose everything
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Speaker 6: inside of ourselves when there's such a trauma. And that's
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Speaker 6: why it's so difficult to recover from a trauma. There
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Speaker 6: and I understand that the mom is taking some anti
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Speaker 6: anxiety medicine, there are other there's some good types of
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Speaker 6: therapy that I can recommend for her.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to hook you too up when we get
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Speaker 1: off the air. Dtor Angel wonderful and I want to
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Speaker 1: tell you I really appreciate you offering that. Thank you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because she can't get enough help right now.
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Speaker 6: And Nancy, it's a trauma. It is a trauma, and
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Speaker 6: you have to go through. If you can go through,
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Speaker 6: it's never going to make it better or different for her.
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Speaker 6: But she has to survive because she's the survivor.
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Speaker 9: At US.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, Galen
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Speaker 1: Morris learns her fate. Morris, now set to spend nearly
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Speaker 1: twenty years behind bars, found guilty for mowing down her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend Andre Smith the evening of June third, running over
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Speaker 1: him with her car multiple times in the parking lot
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Speaker 1: of Tilly's Pub in gril Castleton, Indiana. The sight of
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend with another woman pushed her over the edge.
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Speaker 1: That is not a defense to murder.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 1: At trial, amazing, the defense attorney tried to argue that
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Speaker 1: the defendant believes her boyfriend is cheating and that she
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Speaker 1: deserves to mow him down because she's been paying his
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Speaker 1: bills occasionally his rent and he is mistreating her by cheating.
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Speaker 1: Now that's a new one. Interesting. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I would have used this exact phrasing. The prosecutor said, she,
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Speaker 1: the defendant, is not the girlfriend, she's the side piece. Hmm.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know to miss Sanders, that's her
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Speaker 1: little baby and thinking about her hunched over the wheel
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Speaker 1: of a car at us did you say a speedway
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Speaker 1: gas station?
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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, my sister, like I said, we share locations,
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Speaker 7: and to my knowledge, I passed out because when she
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Speaker 7: got there, she was shaking. I was bent over the
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Speaker 7: steering bills. She was shaking me like, get up, get up,
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Speaker 7: roast shoes get up and I woke up and she
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Speaker 7: said come on. She grabbed my arm. My nephew was
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Speaker 7: on the other arm, and they were taking me to
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Speaker 7: her car. That's when I woke up and noticed that
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Speaker 7: I was with my sister at that time.
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Speaker 1: When did you next see your son Andre?
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Speaker 7: When we got to Tilly's Pub where his body was
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Speaker 7: laying underneath a car.
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Speaker 1: You actually saw him underneath the car.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the detectives would not let me come closer, but
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Speaker 7: I see his legs and his tish underneath the car.
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Speaker 7: All I wanted to do was see my child, and
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Speaker 7: they would not let me get close to him because
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Speaker 7: of the severity of his face. He was stuck underneath
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Speaker 7: the car.
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Speaker 1: Richard Essex joining me, and earlier you heard his voice
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Speaker 1: our friend at w isaac SHTV. He is their prime
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. You can find him on Twitter at Richard
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Speaker 1: Essex three Roman numeral three. Richard. I would feel this
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Speaker 1: way the brain feeling right now, every time I started
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Speaker 1: a murder case, because sometimes the facts are like a
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Speaker 1: big wave, they just come and just hit you and
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Speaker 1: knock you over. And when I hear Miss Sanders talking
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Speaker 1: about passing out at that Speedway gas station, out there
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Speaker 1: all alone in her car, knowing her son is dead,
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Speaker 1: and then being taken and seeing him up under a
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Speaker 1: car outside a restaurant parking lot in a restaurant park
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Speaker 1: You start me off, Richard Essex, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us what happened that night.
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Speaker 10: Well, from talking to the police and talking to Miss
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Speaker 10: Sanders sisters and by the way, Miss your story is heartbreaking.
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Speaker 11: It almost brings me to tears. Just listening to you,
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Speaker 11: to what you're saying, and talking to your sisters.
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Speaker 3: I replay that the hour or so that I spent
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Speaker 3: with them last week.
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Speaker 11: What strikes me from all of this is how it's
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Speaker 11: impacted her family. So many of them were brought up
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Speaker 11: to Tilly's Bar as their son nephew was right there
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Speaker 11: underneath the car.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our friends. Now at Fox
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Speaker 1: fifty nine.
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Speaker 12: Breaking news from India's North Side. We have confirmed with
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Speaker 12: police a pedestrian was hit and killed by a car
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Speaker 12: in front of a strip mall. This happened early this morning,
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Speaker 12: round twelve thirty, near Tilly's Pub on East eighty second
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Speaker 12: Street and Dean Road. Officers say they're looking for witnesses
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Speaker 12: to try and piece together exactly.
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Speaker 1: What happened and more from our friends at WISA. This
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Speaker 1: is Camilla Fernandez.
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Speaker 11: Some people tell me this is an unusual occurrence for
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Speaker 11: this part of the city.
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Speaker 13: I've never been there, but I know just this area
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Speaker 13: in general, especially with the new apartments and people are
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Speaker 13: always walking around and the customers are just always so nice.
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Speaker 9: It's kind of disturbing a little bit because this area is.
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Speaker 1: Very clean and nice.
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Speaker 8: People should, you know, try to get together and get along,
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Speaker 8: you know, and stop this violence.
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Speaker 11: Police are asking anyone with any information to come forward.
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Speaker 1: Police searching for witnesses to help solve the mystery surrounding
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Speaker 1: the death of this young man. With us today his mother,
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Speaker 1: Miss Sanders, and Richard Essex along with our panel Richard
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Speaker 1: joining us from WISH So Richard, I'm hearing witnesses speaking
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Speaker 1: to Canora Fernandez stating what a nice area it is
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Speaker 1: and how this is very unusual, which proves to me,
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Speaker 1: just because you're in a nice area, you are not
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Speaker 1: insulated from crime. Tell me about the area where this
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Speaker 1: restaurant is well of.
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Speaker 3: Minneapolis and an area of town that has some of
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Speaker 3: the better shops.
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Speaker 11: There's some of the cleaner shopping malls. It is a
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Speaker 11: nice area, has been a nice, safe area for decades.
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Speaker 3: But like every other city, major city in America.
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Speaker 11: Indianapolis is not insulated from the violence that has been
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Speaker 11: frist crossing the country, and this particular area has seen
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Speaker 11: some spikes, as has the rest of the city. And
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Speaker 11: regardless of how nicer area is, sometimes violence creeps into
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Speaker 11: your back door.
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Speaker 1: And what about this restaurant, Chilli's. Is it Chili's Pub?
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Speaker 3: It's s Tilly's Pub. It has been around for a
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Speaker 3: long long time.
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Speaker 11: It used to be a favorite with some of the
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Speaker 11: NBA players and coaches here in Indianapolis. A lot of
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Speaker 11: them live up in that area and it has been
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Speaker 11: known to bring in some higher profile people. There's expensive
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Speaker 11: shops right behind you, right out their back door.
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Speaker 1: When you say expensive shops, what do you mean by that?
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Speaker 3: Brooks Brothers.
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Speaker 11: You know that type.
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Speaker 3: It's more of a higher end shopping center.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty high end. You know, the Golden fleece and
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Speaker 1: all that. Have you ever priced out a suit there?
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Speaker 1: Forget it? Okay, I get your drift. Fancy people, fancy stores,
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Celebs hanging out at this bar.
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Speaker 1: NBA players hanging out at this bar. Daryl Cohen joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, high profile lawyer joining me out of
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. Former felony prosecutor, now defense and civil attorney,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen Man. I learned that pretty quickly when I
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Speaker 1: joined you at the Fulton County District Attorney's office. You
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Speaker 1: have high crime areas where people are out literally on
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Speaker 1: the streets selling dope. I tell you the first time
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Speaker 1: I saw that in a police report, I kicked the
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Speaker 1: officer out of court. I was knee. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: any better. The officer wrote in history report, I was
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Speaker 1: approached by a man on the corner waving a glassing bag.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, do you think I meant? I may have
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Speaker 1: used a few curse words at that time. That was
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Speaker 1: before I had the twins. You think I believe that
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Speaker 1: somebody walked up to you with a glassing bag of coke?
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Speaker 1: Get out a dead docted the case, all right? I
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Speaker 1: go out on the street, say three months later, in
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Speaker 1: that same area, I stopped at a red light. Guess
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Speaker 1: what happened? A guy waved a glassing bag of ope
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Speaker 1: at me. The feeling that went over my body when
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Speaker 1: I realized the copment telling me the truth. Don't worry,
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Speaker 1: I revived the case. Long story short. There are areas
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Speaker 1: that are high crime, and there are areas you go
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Speaker 1: to take your family to dinner and you don't think
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Speaker 1: you're going to get killed in the parking lot.
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Speaker 8: Fancy, this is different.
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Speaker 3: This is targeted crime.
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Speaker 7: This happens.
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Speaker 1: So you believe Daryl Cohen that this was targeted. I
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Speaker 1: got to agree with you. When somebody, I mean Richard Essex,
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Speaker 1: didn't the driver run over Andre three times?
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Speaker 3: Yes, and you look back through the report, he could
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Speaker 3: even argue that it was a fourth to tenth.
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Speaker 1: Fourth attempt, so they had to run over, back up,
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Speaker 1: and run over again. Is that how it worked?
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Speaker 14: Yes, reading through the record, she made a run at
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Speaker 14: Andrea and his friend as they were coming out of Tilly's,
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Speaker 14: and somebody deflected and she was able to maneuver her
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Speaker 14: car around and then hit him on the side and
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Speaker 14: knock him down and then ran.
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Speaker 1: Over him, run over him again twice. Guys, and then
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Speaker 1: we have a twist in the case. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at wt h R thirteen.
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Speaker 15: New Info and the death of the man whose girlfriend
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Speaker 15: was accused of running him over in a bar parking lot.
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Speaker 15: Court documents revealed that Gaylen Morris told Plice she did
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Speaker 15: not mean to run over Andre Smith. She actually told
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Speaker 15: Belice she meant to hit the woman that he was
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Speaker 15: with at Tilly's Pub and grill those docum It's also
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Speaker 15: revealed that Morris initially denied putting an AirTag in.
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Speaker 1: The car to track him.
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Speaker 15: She didn't admitted to placing it in the back seat.
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Speaker 1: AirTag transferred intent. I didn't mean to run over him,
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Speaker 1: I meant to run over and kill her. Videos shown
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Speaker 1: that trials shows the defendant, Galen Morrison, screaming the name
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Speaker 1: of her dead boyfriend Andre Smith as she sits in
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Speaker 1: the back of a police car once she learns he's dead.
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Speaker 1: That bodycam video was played day two of her murder trial.
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Speaker 1: One prosecution witness testified, when somebody's in a parking lot,
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Speaker 1: you don't hear them rev up. They gain acceleration with time,
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Speaker 1: like she was at higher RPMs enough for it made
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Speaker 1: me turn around, stop directions and be like, what the
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Speaker 1: heck's going on? To watch this and see it all happen.
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Speaker 1: So apparently she was revving the car, The witness says,
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Speaker 1: the car stopped with Smith underneath his head near the
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Speaker 1: front left wheel. Two women he went out of the
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Speaker 1: bar were the first to talk to. Marris still talked
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Speaker 1: to the defendant. She was still sitting in the driver's seat.
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Speaker 1: To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, when did
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Speaker 1: you learn that his ex his girlfriend ex girlfriend had
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Speaker 1: confessed had admitted she ran down your boy in cold blood.
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Speaker 1: It's not if she was a drunk driver or it
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Speaker 1: was an accident. She did it on purpose.
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Speaker 7: And see, I found out when I died on the
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Speaker 7: scene because I had seen her car. And that's when
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Speaker 7: I found out when the detective walked up to me
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Speaker 7: and told me the victim's name, I mean, the person's
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Speaker 7: name that killed.
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Speaker 1: Did you know her?
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Speaker 7: I had met her because they've been knowing each other
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Speaker 7: for quice some time. They've been dating off and off
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Speaker 7: quite sometime. I've met her maybe three times in total.
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Speaker 1: What does she how does she sing to you? How
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Speaker 1: did she present when you met her before?
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Speaker 7: I really can't say, because I mean it was just
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Speaker 7: more like a high end by type of thing.
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Speaker 1: Where were you when you met her?
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Speaker 7: He had brought her to a house that I was
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Speaker 7: standing in during that time. And this was like in
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Speaker 7: two thousand and seventeen, maybe.
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Speaker 1: So he brought her over and met you.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: And she seemed normal.
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Speaker 7: During that time. Yes, you just seem like a regular person,
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Speaker 7: like a regular normal lady, normal girl, whatever you want
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Speaker 7: to call her. She seemed normal at that time.
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Speaker 1: This reminds me so much of a case we'd covered
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Speaker 1: about a thirty year old pH d student, her name
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Speaker 1: Najenski Dix. She had dated a guy a couple you know, months,
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Speaker 1: maybe weeks, and he broke up. And this PhD student
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Speaker 1: pictures of her. She looks all put together, like she's
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Speaker 1: in one of those Brooks Brothers ads. She drives across
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Speaker 1: the country, stalks his apartment, his condo, just the way
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Speaker 1: that this woman, Gayalen Morris is charged with stalking Andre
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Speaker 1: and then shoots him dead because he broke up with her.
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Speaker 1: Listen our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 5: According to Hickman's family, Dix had started stalking her former
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Speaker 5: flame after the split, and that even though she was
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Speaker 5: from out of state, she somehow found out where he
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Speaker 5: lived in Washington, d C. Shortly before five thirty pm,
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Speaker 5: police responded to reports of gunfire at the apartment complex
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Speaker 5: in the nation's capital. Police entered an apartment where they
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Speaker 5: found a male individual who had been shot. They found
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Speaker 5: Nadjinski Dix kneeling beside the bullet ridden body of Terry Hickman,
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Speaker 5: who was pronounced dead at the scene. Police said Dix
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Speaker 5: was holding a gun in her left hand, which officers
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Speaker 5: ordered her to put down. She was also on speakerphone
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Speaker 5: with someone who identified themselves to authorities as her mother.
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Speaker 1: To stalk someone, To electronically stalk someone, in this case,
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Speaker 1: after you've been broken up with, take a list an
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Speaker 1: hour cut for this is Felicia Lawrence, Whr.
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Speaker 16: Court documents state that Galen Morris told another woman she
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Speaker 16: had used an AirTag to track Andre Smith to Tilly's
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Speaker 16: Pub because he was cheating on her. The same woman
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Speaker 16: told police she saw Morris run over Smith three times
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Speaker 16: before getting out of the car and coming after.
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Speaker 1: Another woman to Lapricius Sanders, joining us, this is Andre's mother.
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Speaker 1: So if these reports are in fact true, and I
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Speaker 1: have no reason to doubt them, Miss Sanders, she Galen Morris,
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Speaker 1: age twenty six, sto your son like a deer, like
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Speaker 1: a bunny rabbit. The way you follow one in a scope.
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Speaker 1: She stalked him with an air tag.
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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, it was the AirTag.
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Speaker 1: When did you learn that?
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Speaker 7: I learned that. I think it was like the next
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Speaker 7: day after my son's death. The detecutive, the detective called
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Speaker 7: me and he explained to me that the young lady
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Speaker 7: had placed an air tag. I'm not gonna mention what
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Speaker 7: kind of air tag, but she placed the air tag
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Speaker 7: on the passenger seat of the car of his car.
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Speaker 1: And they were broken up, weren't they? Hadn't he broken
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Speaker 1: up with her?
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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am. He had separated from her. He was currently
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Speaker 7: at my grandmother's house at you know, living with her
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Speaker 7: for a little bit, but his clothes and things were
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Speaker 7: still at the apartment that him and Galen had shared together.
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Speaker 1: So this was a fresh breakup. Yeah, he had moved
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Speaker 1: don with his grandmother and some of his stuff steal
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Speaker 1: at the suspect's apartment. Joining me right now is Lee Reaber,
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Speaker 1: mobile device forensic expert COO of Oxygen Forensics, Ain't, an
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Speaker 1: author of Mobile Forensic Investigations A guide to Evidence collection. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive, Lee Reaber, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Explain what is an air tag and how does that work?
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Speaker 8: Sure?
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Speaker 1: Sure, thanks Nancy.
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Speaker 9: So it's really not new technology. You know, it's a
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Speaker 9: Bluetooth low energy device. So what that simply means is
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Speaker 9: your wise is bluetooth to say notify a device. So
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Speaker 9: here's an example McDonald's. McDonald's is one of the largest
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Speaker 9: purchasers of these beacons, Bluetooth beacons that if you're a McDonald's, uh,
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Speaker 9: and you suddenly get an AD that might come up
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Speaker 9: onto your phone, it's simple use of this bluetooth technology.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. I'm sorry they did
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Speaker 1: not dach me that in law school. What do you mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm Animecdonald's and an AD comes up on my phone?
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Speaker 9: Sure, So if you go in. We'll take another example.
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Speaker 9: A lot of grocery stores will use these bluetooth beacons.
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Speaker 9: So you're going down and you're thinking about buying some soup,
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Speaker 9: and then all of a sudden, on your phone, you
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Speaker 9: now receive an AD for Campbell's Chunky soup that you
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Speaker 9: might be looking for. Those pop up on your phone. Right.
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Speaker 9: And so in the case of these or earned air
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Speaker 9: tag simply Apple calls us an I beacon and what
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Speaker 9: it allows people to do using the find My service
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Speaker 9: of Apple to be able to track these little tokens
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Speaker 9: if they place them on an object.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right, when you say a token, you mean the
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Speaker 1: air tag looks like, for instance, a suitcase tag that
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Speaker 1: you put on there with your name on it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Just to think of it just an object, a
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Speaker 9: physical object that you can place.
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Speaker 1: Lee Reber hold on one second, I think miss Sanders
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Speaker 1: won't say, And go ahead, Miss Sanders.
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Speaker 7: What Lee Reaver is trying to explain? I was told
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Speaker 7: that my son by the young lady that was with
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Speaker 7: him at Tilly's. He kept telling her that someone is
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Speaker 7: tracking us, but he didn't he didn't know it was
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Speaker 7: a device in his car. But he know he was
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Speaker 7: being tracked by someone, but he didn't think it was
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Speaker 7: the girl, the Galen girl, or you know, he just
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Speaker 7: didn't know who was. So they checked him, the young
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Speaker 7: lady was that he was with at the Silly Club.
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Speaker 7: They checked the car, They checked around. They didn't find
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Speaker 7: anything because it looked like a quarter or something. It
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Speaker 7: was underneath his passenger seat. So he knew he was
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Speaker 7: being followed, but he didn't know by who or anything
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Speaker 7: like that.
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Speaker 1: Can I wait a minute. Then Lee Reeber, how would
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Speaker 1: he have known he was being followed?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: So the interesting thing that Apple actually added was the
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Speaker 9: ability because when they first released with the air tags,
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Speaker 9: this is a big issue and it still is a
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Speaker 9: big issue with stocking, is that these sounds they weren't hearing,
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Speaker 9: They wouldn't know really that they had a device that was, say,
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Speaker 9: following them or within their vehicle. Now Apple's actually added
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Speaker 9: so that if they have an iPhone or an eye
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Speaker 9: device it then they get a notification on their device indicating, hey,
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Speaker 9: you have an unknown device writing this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, write a minute. So let me try to translate
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Speaker 1: what you're saying into regular people talk. I think what
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Speaker 1: you just said is if some if you have, if
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Speaker 1: you're being tricked by an air tag, then you'll hear
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Speaker 1: a little book or a little something, a pain or
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Speaker 1: electronic sound notifying you that somewhere around you there's an AirTag.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you just said?
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Speaker 3: Correct?
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Speaker 9: Correct?
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Speaker 1: And so it is.
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Speaker 9: It's because it's a it's not pair to stay your device, right,
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Speaker 9: it's an unknown it's an unknown device or air tag
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Speaker 9: that was you know, within the area that you are in.
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Speaker 1: Richard Essex joining us in wish that air tags would
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Speaker 1: be used in such a nefarious way as they were
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Speaker 1: by this woman, Galen Morris, aged twenty six, to track
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Speaker 1: down her ex Andre like a dog.
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Speaker 11: She apparently told somebody in the parking lot that she
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Speaker 11: that there was a GPS monitoring device in his car,
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Speaker 11: and she knew that his car.
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Speaker 3: Was in that parking lot.
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Speaker 11: And she had been questioning people up and down in
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Speaker 11: front of this shopping area.
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Speaker 3: Have you seen a guy that with this description inside
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Speaker 3: of the bar?
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Speaker 11: And she was walking up and down and she saw it,
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Speaker 11: so she she knew exactly where his car was, and.
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Speaker 3: She went up and down trying to find him.
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Speaker 1: I'm just sick of about it. I'm just sick about it,
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Speaker 1: and over what a breakup? I mean, Miss Sanders. Has
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Speaker 1: this woman tried to communicate with you, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: She better not try to communicate with me, because right
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Speaker 7: now my family and I are hoarded. We're hurting really
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Speaker 7: really bad. I'm lost, I'm numb. I don't feel like
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Speaker 7: I even have a soul anymore. She's my son for me.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days. A
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Speaker 1: sentence goes down on a woman who mows down her lover.
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Speaker 1: Out of sheer rage because he had a date with
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Speaker 1: another woman, she tracked him with an air tag. The
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Speaker 1: first cop to arrive at the scene immediately cuffed her,
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Speaker 1: and she admitted she tracked the victim to the bar
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Speaker 1: with an apple AirTag. She reportedly confronted the victim, they
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Speaker 1: got into an argument, and then got into an argument
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Speaker 1: with the date for the night before they were all
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Speaker 1: told to leave. The defendant left first and was waiting
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Speaker 1: in her car waiting for the boyfriend to come out.
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Speaker 1: To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, what was
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Speaker 1: he like as a little boy?
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Speaker 7: Oh man, it's full of joy. He loved to wrap,
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Speaker 7: he loved to play. He was just like a normal
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Speaker 7: typical kid. He was a love child, like everybody loves
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Speaker 7: joy like that was a love child. He was a
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Speaker 7: sweet percy. He wouldn't harm anybody. He just loved to
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Speaker 7: put a whole clothes. He love clothes. His shooting duo.
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Speaker 7: That was that was that. He just he didn't deserve
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Speaker 7: what she did to my side.
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Speaker 17: And you know, just Scott, what he went through, what
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Speaker 17: he went through. He did not die immediately, and to
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Speaker 17: die up under a car like that, trying to lift
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Speaker 17: up his head, trying to live. He did not die immediately,
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Speaker 17: just Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 8: No, he didn't. And but this is uh, this is
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Speaker 8: you know, you you'll have as Darrely pointed out, just
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Speaker 8: a moment ago, he was struck multiple times. And unlike
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Speaker 8: a firearm when you use a car to facilitate something
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Speaker 8: like that, each one of these contacts leaves a specific
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Speaker 8: type of evidence relative to an individual's body. And so
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Speaker 8: you'll have a bumper mark, remember he was. They described
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Speaker 8: it as being having him having been clipped initially, which
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Speaker 8: essentially knocks him to the ground by the bumper and
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Speaker 8: will find on his box what's referred to as a
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Speaker 8: bumper markets this a braided area. I suspect that this
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Speaker 8: isn't just blunt force trauma, Nancy. I suspect that this
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Speaker 8: there is a compression element that is involved in this,
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Speaker 8: where there was an a sixial event that occurred.
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Speaker 1: Are trying to say he couldn't breathe.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, his chest couldn't rise and fall because of it.
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Speaker 7: I can't take it. I can't take it anymore. I
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Speaker 7: have to go.
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Speaker 8: I can't tell you.
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Speaker 1: I can't miss Sanders. I understand, Please Jackie let her
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Speaker 1: go because this is too much for her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, did you hear that the mother can't even
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Speaker 1: stand to hear these facts about her son. This is
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Speaker 1: a disorder that this girl had, but it is not insanity.
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Speaker 1: You tell me, it's some type of disorder.
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Speaker 6: Yes, NISI there's actually a name for this. It's called
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Speaker 6: obsessive love disorder. And everything about this woman projects this
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Speaker 6: disorder to me.
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Speaker 1: Now, I hear you're saying disorder on the street from me,
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Speaker 1: regular vernacular disorder measures you're ill. This girl is not ill.
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Speaker 1: She's angry, and yes, she's obsessed, but that is not
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Speaker 1: a defense, doctor Angie Arnold.
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Speaker 6: No, I am not saying it's a defense. But I'll
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Speaker 6: tell you something, Nancy. The reason I bring it up
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Speaker 6: is because if other people know the signs of things
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Speaker 6: like this that they can look out for in someone
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Speaker 6: that is perhaps glomming on to their child and trying
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Speaker 6: to make a relationship with that child. People need to
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Speaker 6: be able to look out for these signs and symptoms.
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Speaker 6: And I think that that's I think that that's something
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Speaker 6: else that we bring to this, to what you do
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Speaker 6: on this, Okay, Nancy, I want people besides me to
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Speaker 6: know the signs and symptoms of something like this so
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Speaker 6: they can look for it.
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Speaker 1: Right, What give me some signs and symptoms.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 6: Some of the symptoms can include, you have an overwhelming
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Speaker 6: attraction to one person. Okay, then you start to have
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Speaker 6: obsessive thoughts about that person. You may feel the need
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Speaker 6: to protect the person that you're in love with. Okay.
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Speaker 6: You also become very possessive of them, extreme jealousy over
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Speaker 6: any kind of other interpersonal interactions that they have. And
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Speaker 6: typically the person with this disorder actually has a very
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Speaker 6: low self esteem. Okay, you'll see. You'll see them sending
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Speaker 6: repeated texts and emails and phone calls. They have a
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Speaker 6: constant need for reassurance. They have a hard time maintaining
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Speaker 6: friendships with other people because of their obsession with this
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Speaker 6: one person. So you said, we heard in this that
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Speaker 6: they had been together for three years, and something that
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Speaker 6: really struck me was that the mother didn't really know
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Speaker 6: her very well. She had only met her like three times.
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Speaker 1: Justice has unfolded in a court of law Galen Morris
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Speaker 1: guilty of voluntary manslaughter in the brutal death of her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend Andre Smith. But it will never bring him back,
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Speaker 1: and his mother still grieving. Goodbye friend,