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EP 46: Did Cooks & Davante Catch It?, Where Do Divisional Round Losers Go From Here? & Previewing the Conference Championship Games · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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  Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  Welcome to episode 46 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  I'm your host Joel and I'm here with my two usual Co host Will
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  and Avery. Just want to start this episode
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  by saying Congrats to the Rams, Seahawks, Broncos and Patriots
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  for making it to the conference championship games.
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  I also want to start this episode by giving a couple shout
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  outs and I want to start by shouting out Avery for the
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  creation of his new hit TV series The Real Housewives of
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  the Browns. That was the best post we've
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  ever had on social media, on YouTube.
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  It got over 14,000 views, a whole bunch of comments.
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  That is by far the best social media post we've ever had on any
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  platform. So Congrats to Avery for the
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  creation of his new hit TV series.
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  Not even because it was a good take, but because a lot of
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  people disagreed with it and said like, that's exactly,
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  that's a, that's a weak take and like still commented.
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  Bitch, I also want to give a shout out to everybody who's
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  been engaging with our content on social media.
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  We've seen a huge increase not just on that post, but on all
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  posts in general with comments and shares, likes, everything,
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  just all around engagement from everybody.
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  So shout out to even the haters. We appreciate you guys too
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  because negative engagement is still engagement.
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  What about the Eagles? We appreciate it.
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  Screw them. While we're in this moment here,
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  I would like to take a second to apologize specifically to
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  absolutely nobody. No, no, specifically to Avery's
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  dad and family and anybody else who's just overall against
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  swearing. I dropped a hard F word last
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  week. Fortunately, the Rams won,
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  right? If I do that and the Rams lose,
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  boy howdy am I in for it. But hey, they won.
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  So I still hate the Bears. Just I'll doubt it back.
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  That's my bad. I won't.
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  I don't need to be doing that out here.
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  Yeah, I don't know how you knew that, Will, but my last shout
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  out was going to be to Avery's dad, Dwayne, because he sits
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  here every week and he listens to our episode, watches our
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  show, and he deals with these two guys swearing.
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  And it for anybody who's never listened to or watched this
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  show, if you've ever heard us say, sorry, Dwayne, that's who
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  they're talking to, is Avery. 'S my dad so.
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  Shout out Dwayne. And we love him very much.
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  Is our #1 fan. Unless someone else watches
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  every minute of this show, then that you are also our #1 fan.
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  Hi actually I hate Kirk Kirk my Co worker.
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  There's no chains. Kirk well, not quite key on his
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  Spotify rap was point OO 1% of our top listeners.
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  So which means we have 1000 listeners now we have 1000
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  listeners, guys, that's cool beans, right?
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  That's cool. All right.
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  Right. Well, I'm excited for today's
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  episode, guys, because we got a lot of good stuff to talk about.
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  We're going to talk about some of the recent divisional round
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  games. We're going to recap some of
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  those, talk about some controversial plays from those
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  games. Then we're going to discuss
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  where the teams that lost those games go from here.
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  And then at the end, we're going to wrap up the episode by
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  talking about the conference championship games.
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  But before we do that, we're going to finish our fantasy
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  ranking scores for the season. So we already did our
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  quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers and tight ends.
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  And right now Will and Avery are tied with 19 points and I'm in
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  the lead with 25 points. Just to review the scoring.
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  How this works is we all gave our top 10 or top five rankings
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  before the season started, and we're comparing them to how the
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  actual top 10 or top five rankings finished at the end of
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  the fantasy season. You get a point if you had a guy
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  ranked in the top ten, anywhere in the top 10.
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  You get 2 points if you had that guy ranked at the exact
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  position, and you get 2 points if you were the only one who had
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  that player ranked in the top 10.
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  So we're going to start with the kickers here, and the actual top
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  five kickers go like this. So one is Jason Myers, 2 is
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  Kaimi Fairbairn, 3 is Brandon Aubrey, 4 is Cameron Dicker, and
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  five is Cam Little. I'm sure I had Dicker in there.
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  I don't remember these but I know I had him in there.
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  All right, so Avery's top five kickers weren't like this.
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  Number one, Cam little #2 Cameron Dicker, you were
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  correct. You did have him in there.
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  Number 3 is Andy Borgalis #4 not gay.
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  Yeah, solid season. Solid season, all right.
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  And #5 was Harrison Bucker. So Will's top five go like this.
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  Number one. Brandon Aubrey #2, Jake Bates #3
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  Jake Elliott #4 Cameron dicker #5 Marcus Aurelius.
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  Oh, I missed that one. I remember that now.
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  I was and then little. Upset, but the actual number 5
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  was Chase McLaughlin. And then my top five kickers
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  went like this. Number one, Brandon Aubrey #2
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  Chris Boswell #3 Cameron dicker #4 Chase McLaughlin and #5 Kim
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  Little. So the points for this round.
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  Avery got two points because he had Cam Little in the top five
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  and he had Cameron Dicker in the top five.
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  Unfortunately, Matt Gay did not make the top five Fantasy Union
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  kickers. And then phobia, man, that's
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  what kept him out. The fantasy football, he made
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  the top five fantasy, that's for sure.
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  Different category he made it, you know he.
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  Made Rivalry category. All right, and then Will got
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  three points because he had Brandon Aubrey, Cameron Dicker
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  at #4 That does put you in taking place.
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  And then I got 4 points because I had Brandon Aubrey in the top
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  five, Cameron Dicker and Cam Little at #5 so I got 2 points
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  for that. All right, so final round
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  fantasy defenses. So the actual top five goes
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  Seahawks, Texans, Vikings, Jaguars, and Broncos.
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  So Avery's top five were the Broncos, Eagles, Ravens,
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  Vikings, and Lions. Wills were the Ravens, Broncos,
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  Texans, Vikings, and Eagles. Mine were the Broncos, Vikings,
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  Steelers, Ravens, and Texans. So Will and I tied with three
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  points in this round, and Avery had two points.
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  So the final scores. Avery had 23 points in last
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  place. Michael Jordan.
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  Will had 25 points in second place and I had 32 points in
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  first. Place the kickers betrayed me.
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  Yeah, that's what did it. All right, so let's move on to
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  talk about some of these divisional games that just
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  happened. We'll recap these games and
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  within that we'll give some thoughts on where these teams go
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  next, the teams that lost, where these teams go next.
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  So let's just actually before we start, I got asked a question
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  because I know we're going to end up here anyway, so we might
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  as well just start with this and combine it from two different
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  games. Was the Brandon Cooks play a
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  catch or an interception and was the Devante Adams play a catch
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  or an interception? Will, what do you think?
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  Oh, you're starting with me. OK.
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  I think the Brandon Cooks play was a catch down by contact and
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  the Devante Adams play they called correctly catch down by
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  contact. I think it should have been the
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  same result in both place. I actually think because of the
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  Brandon Cooks play, we got the results we got in the Texans
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  game. There was a catch there that
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  they ripped the ball out and then it fumble and I don't think
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  they recovered it and I think he recovered it from the Patriots
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  recovered I don't remember who. And then as well the Rams game
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  with Devante Adams. I think that the NFL sent a
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  memo, maybe the NFL Reference Association sent a memo out to
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  the two crews on the following games, maybe even the Seahawks
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  game as well as though there wasn't a lot of conference in
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  that game of a hey, this was inaccurate.
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  If something like this happens, you have to stop the game and
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  actually review it. Don't actually review that
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  turnover, actually review that kind of turnover.
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  I think I, I mean Brandon Coax gets two hands on the ball as
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  he's going to the ground, he gets 2 feet down and yet as he's
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  going to the ground in the process of making a catch, if
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  that defender wasn't there, he makes the catch, right?
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  It's not like the ground caused the ball to pop out.
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  So we're not talking about surviving the ground here.
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  He had two hands on the ball, body on the ground and then the
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  ball gets ripped out and ends up in the defenders hand He throws.
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  McLaughlin is the guy's name for for Denver.
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  They got the ball there. I cannot believe that they
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  actually not even reviewed that. It was a turnover.
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  So they had to review it, but they didn't.
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  And even Sean McDermott in overtime called a time out like
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  like, hey, you got to do something about you can't just
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  move on here. You have to actually at least do
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  the pomp and circumstance make it look like you were at
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  minimum. So I, I here's my take on that
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  play. I think that crew doing that
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  game now this is this is 75% satire.
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  So let me go in with that. I think the crew doing that game
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  that was in the last game of the season, I've already talked
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  about this. The refing contract is up after
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  the season. They're about to go and you
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  collect the bargaining and the refing association, the refing
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  union is about to go into new negotiations with the NFL on
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  their new deal today. And so this is this game's this
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  cruise last game. They're not doing the Super
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  Bowl, I would assume. And so this was our last game.
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  The game is in overtime. They're like, no, we're ending
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  this thing. We are calling it done.
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  Go on the other way. Don't even care.
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  We're not taking the time to review it.
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  Pastor friends, pastor friends, roughly the password.
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  Get another field, get them in the end zone.
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  We're not doing this game because I do believe that that
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  was the Bills first possession. Yeah.
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  Or or or was it next score wins already at that point?
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  I don't think it was next score wins at that point.
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  I think the the charger the ball anyway.
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  And so it was a let's get the Broncos the ball now get them
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  down the field as fast as we can and let's get this game over
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  with. We are we worked four quarters
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  in our last game already. We're not working a fifth one.
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  Let's get out of here. Now that is mostly satire, but
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  the fact that they didn't call a pass and friends call until
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  overtime and in that turn away that turnover wins.
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  I, I think it was the, I'm not beg to complain about the refs
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  having such a big effect on games, but there's no way for me
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  to overlook this one. That, that they, they did not
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  take enough time to look at it. And I think because of it we got
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  a different call twice on Sunday.
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  So I I think it was a catch by by Brandy Cokes and down by
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  contact. What do you think, Avery?
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  I think the refs got both of these right.
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  I agree with Joe Burrow here. I will say that like because of
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  the gravity of the call and the play, I would appreciate if the
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  refs did give it more time to look at it and then come away
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  with the correct thing. I feel like in general, when it
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  comes down to that, I'm thinking kind of the same thing with like
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  that Saints play from like, jeez, now it's been like a
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  decade, hasn't it? That blatant pass interference
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  call, it didn't get called like I, I, I think for these, it's
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  like, look, it would give a lot of people more peace and peace,
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  Peace of Mind if you just did look at it.
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  I didn't like that they just kind of rushed it and the coach
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  is just kind of like just looking around like, dude, or
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  was that, is that it? However, I feel like there's
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  this, I mean, wasn't it the, I could be totally wrong here.
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  Dez Bryant's catch against the Packers again a decade ago where
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  it was this thing where it's like Kay, there's this element
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  of like, you have to kind of maintain control.
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  However, with this, it's like Kay, he had it in his hands, but
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  the defender had his hands on it, too.
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  And the way I was taught was like when that ball's in the
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  air, like it's anybody's ball, like anyone can come away with
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  it. Now, granted, if the defenders
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  not looking at the ball and, and, you know, clawing at the
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  receiver, obviously that's something different.
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  But when you both go down and you each have two hands on it
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  and then you roll over and one guy comes away with it, that to
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  me like, 'cause it's all within 1/2 a second like cable, he got
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  the ball. Like, so to me, I see that and
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  I'm like, now that wasn't enough time to go down.
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  If it's something where it's like it's the same thing of
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  going out of bounds. If I catch the ball as I'm going
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  out of bounds, like, oh, did he like continue to have possession
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  of it? But because really it's like as
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  soon as again, that was the Dez thing was like he got it and
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  then let go. I think Calvin Johnson did the
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  same thing. We're like, hey dude, I'm a
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  receiver, I catch balls. How much longer does this need
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  to be in my hands before you can recognize that I did in fact
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  catch this? But when I see that, I'm like,
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  you had it in your hands, but so did the defender.
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  And then after you hit the ground, the defender came up
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  with and I'm like, as far as I'm concerned, like you both had
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  possession of it. You both had your hands on it.
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  The defender's knee also touched the ground.
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  Was that a catch? Was that an interception for him
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  when he touched the ground? So when I see that, I, I kind of
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  feel like if after you've gone out of bounds, you still have to
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  hold on to it. I'm like, OK, if you're, if it's
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  a jump ball and you all grab your grab onto the ball, at that
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  point it's like who comes away with it?
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  It's the same with a fumble, like a fumble, the ball's
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  rolling around. It doesn't matter if a guy gets
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  it and his his knees on the ground.
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  If that ball slides back out, even if he had possession for a
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  split second, it's still a fumble.
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  It's like 10 seconds after the fumble is recovered that the
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  refs get in there and see who has it.
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  So that's how I see it. I feel, I genuinely feel like,
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  like it was heartbreaking and I didn't like that they just
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  glossed over it. But I, I do think that the refs
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  got both of those calls right. And the boot tastes great.
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  The boot tastes great by the way, someone will get that.
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  I did not. I do wait.
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  Bootlegger. Whatever.
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  The only thing I'd like to interject there Avery is that in
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  the rules in the actual rule book, it says joint possession
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  sticks with whoever had possession And so if receiver so
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  like like like in baseball tie. So it wasn't joint possession
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  and that doesn't make any sense. Right, so.
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  Joint possession is whoever had it first.
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  It's like so it wasn't joint. No, no, whoever was possessed,
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  not whoever had it first. Whoever team was.
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  Possessed. If it's a tie, yeah, it's like
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  if it's a tie, it goes to the passing team.
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  Yeah, tie goes to the run, Yeah. But it wasn't a tie either.
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  When it was, yeah, you just said it was a tie.
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  They both had possession at the same time and they both were
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  down by contact. You just said that your words,
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  your words were both. No, no, I, I know.
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  I understand what you're saying. I understand and both go.
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  Down on the ground. But I mean, it's the same thing.
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  If you catch the ball, you have possession, you get 2 feet down,
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  you have possession and you're inbounds, and then you fall out
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  of bounds and drop the ball. It's the same deal.
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  It's like, well, he had possession.
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  It's like, yeah, but you didn't control it.
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  You didn't control it, and if that's like, you never had
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  control of it because he came away with it.
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  This is different than surviving around because because the
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  ground did not cause the ball to come out.
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  He was on his way down, but the the being on the ground did not
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  make the ball come loose. He was two hands on the ball, 2
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  feet down and bounce in the middle of the field, body on the
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  ground, down by contact, and then the defender gained full
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  possession of that ball. Let me wait.
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  Let me, let me, let me, let me think, let me humor me for a
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  SEC. Let's say that the defender was
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  never there, but everything else happened the same way.
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  The ball came in, he caught it goes to the ball and, and, and
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  where the ball went, it went. Would that have been a catch?
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  OK, so. If remove the defender from the
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  picture, is that a? Is that a completion,
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  incompletion or a fumble? So in this in this, he's going
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  down to the ground, hypothetical rolls over and the ball comes
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  out. Yeah, everything is the exact
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  same. It's even with the ball like
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  kind of floating away. Right, incomplete.
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  Pass. OK, so he never had completion
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  then, right? I disagree.
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  You take away the defender. It wasn't a complete pass.
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  Well, if you take away the defender, the ball doesn't get
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  ripped out of his hands, but. What I'm saying is, but what I'm
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  saying is if he wasn't there and the ball still got ripped away
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  at the same time, it's an incomplete pass.
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  So if it's incomplete pass without the defender there, how
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  on earth is it a completed pass with the defender there?
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  Because without the defender there, that ball doesn't come
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  out of his hands. So in your in your hypothetical,
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  that would be incomplete. But in reality, where they both
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  had we'll, we'll call it, they both had possession and both
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  were down by contact right there.
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  Ty goes to the offense, but that's what I'm saying he
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  wouldn't. Have been down by.
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  He wouldn't have been down though.
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  He would have been. I mean, I guess.
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  Both bodies were on the ground. He would have been down.
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  Both of them were down. No.
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  What? No, what I'm saying is, is if
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  the defender isn't there, but everything else happens the same
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  like it. So basically in the same time it
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  took for the defender to RIP the ball out, he just dropped the he
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  let go of the ball. And I guess we could even go
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  with with college rules or whatever because you technically
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  have to be down by contact. So the defender there, it's
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  technically just still a live ball.
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  I guess whatever. But what I'm saying is like, so
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  that wasn't enough time for him to be on the ground and maintain
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  possession. Chains on the ball 2 feet down,
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  hits the ground, rolls over in his back and then let's go to
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  the ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm calling on detect, but he I'm not just going back on what
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  I on what I just said, which I guess I technically am, but I
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  think given the scenario where he rolls over in his back and
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  then then the ball just magically flies out of his hand
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  with two hands, I mean. It's it's a half, we're talking
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  about 1/2 a second here, right, Right.
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  Because I mean, I mean, I mean at that point, if he was going
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  out of bounds, if it was there and then he he touches out of
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  bounds and he lets go, they're like he didn't maintain control.
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  The the main difference between these two is what you're talking
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  about is surviving the ground. That's not what I'm talking
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  about because that's not the argument here.
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  The ball was ripped out of his hands by another human, by
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  another person. It's.
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  I, I, I, I know what he was saying is it wasn't a strip,
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  but, but it wasn't like a strip fumble.
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  It was. It absolutely was.
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  There wasn't enough time for it to be.
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  He didn't have any time to even make any football move.
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  Is essentially the same thing though, because both guys had
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  their their hands in the ball, both guys were down and then the
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  Bronco player jumped up with the ball.
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  OK, turnover, but I know that's what I'm.
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  Saying is like, it's like if he was down there but let go, but
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  if the defender wasn't there, the ball comes out and it's not
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  a catch. It's just a completely different
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  scenario. We were talking about surviving
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  the ground versus who had possession.
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  I know. But what I'm saying is even if,
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  but, but if you did survive the ground, I mean, you don't have
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  enough time. If that's not if you, if you
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  have it and you let go, it's like, oh, he didn't survive the
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  ground. It's like, yeah, because he
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  didn't maintain it for long enough.
• 19:26
  That's the reason. Because if he did and then let
• 19:28
  go of it or whatever, then it'd be like a fumble.
• 19:30
  All I'm saying is that if if that if the defender wasn't
• 19:33
  there and he maintained his hands on the ball for the exact
• 19:37
  same amount of time, it would have been an incomplete pass.
• 19:40
  Like he didn't have it for long enough.
• 19:41
  Devante Adams I feel like had it for long enough where it was
• 19:44
  like if you let go then it would have been a fumble.
• 19:46
  That's my that's my perspective though.
• 19:48
  But I'm also not a ref. I'm just going on vibes and you
• 19:51
  guys know that. Well.
• 19:53
  I would like to make the argument here that both plays
• 19:56
  were interceptions or turnovers, however you want to call it.
• 20:00
  And the reason why I'm I'm, I'm basing this off of how the NFL
• 20:05
  has called other games that I've seen.
• 20:08
  During this regular season, and that's what I'm basing it off.
• 20:11
  You can't base anything off under games.
• 20:14
  But I'm also going to base it off of what the rules say.
• 20:17
  So take the the Devante Adams play.
• 20:19
  OK, so he catches the ball, he goes down and has possession and
• 20:23
  his knee hits the ground while he's being tackled.
• 20:25
  And then the guy rips it out, right?
• 20:27
  So here, I'm going to read you the rules that I printed off
• 20:30
  this page. I'm going to read you the exact
• 20:32
  wording in the rules for a completed pass.
• 20:35
  A player who makes a catch may advance the ball.
• 20:37
  A forward pass is complete by the offense or intercepted by
• 20:40
  the defense in the field of play at the sideline or in the end
• 20:43
  zone. If a player who is in bounds, A
• 20:46
  secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the
• 20:49
  ball touching the ground, and B touches the ground in bounds
• 20:53
  with both feet or with any part of his body other than his
• 20:56
  hands, which Devonte Adams did. But there's AC, and after A&B
• 21:01
  have been fulfilled, clearly performs any act common to the
• 21:04
  game. Example, extend the ball
• 21:07
  forward, take an additional step, tuck the ball away and
• 21:10
  turn up field or avoid or ward off and an opponent or he
• 21:14
  maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
• 21:18
  So the only way that this could have been a completed pass by
• 21:20
  Devante Adams is if they deemed that he did an act common to the
• 21:24
  game. But what was that act?
• 21:27
  Getting tackled. That's what you can tackle,
• 21:29
  Yeah, that's the most common thing in the game.
• 21:30
  So then if that is the case, I would like to go back to the
• 21:33
  Bucks and Rams game where tight end Kate Auten for the Bucks
• 21:37
  juggled a pass, caught the ball, had possession of it and a Rams
• 21:42
  defender ripped the ball out of his hands while his knee was on
• 21:45
  the ground. If getting tackled is having an
• 21:49
  act common to the game, Tay Dalton was down in that game but
• 21:54
  they called it a pick 6. So based off of how that game
• 21:57
  was called, that Devante Adams play was also an interception.
• 22:02
  It was not a completed pass. I mean, getting tackled isn't
• 22:05
  actually an ad comment of the game.
• 22:07
  That's not what. I know.
• 22:08
  But that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying is that's what I'm
• 22:10
  saying is if there's no other act common to the game that
• 22:14
  Devante Adams completed, he had A&B in this scenario, but he did
• 22:18
  not have C, unless you count getting tackled.
• 22:21
  He did nothing else except for catch the ball and go down.
• 22:25
  He did no act come into the game.
• 22:28
  So how is that a completed pass based off of these rules?
• 22:32
  How is that a completed pass? I don't remember, I will say a
• 22:35
  specific play unfortunately. I need to read like that.
• 22:38
  I will say, though, I think the one thing we can all agree on is
• 22:42
  that there are massive inconsistencies in the way that
• 22:46
  these games and catches are officiated.
• 22:49
  I think that individual plays we can look at be like, I think
• 22:52
  this. I think that the problem is we
• 22:54
  don't have a solid standard. We don't have a gold standard we
• 22:58
  can look at. And so I think the real issue
• 23:00
  here is that there is an issue and it needs to be solved.
• 23:05
  And the only people that can solve it is the NFL, because
• 23:08
  otherwise you're going to get more of this.
• 23:09
  Everything is rigged. They're they're they're playing
• 23:13
  favorites when really I'm like, dude, I think these guys are
• 23:16
  trying the best they can. And I think they have a work
• 23:19
  culture that is not that transparent.
• 23:22
  And I don't think the rules are very great.
• 23:24
  And I think that there are dirty incentives for how they decide
• 23:29
  to officiate games because it is still just like college and NFL.
• 23:33
  There are tears to this and you get graded and I think there's a
• 23:36
  little bit of politics that we may not know, but Will might
• 23:39
  have some insight. I know he's not an NFL ref, but
• 23:43
  he might know more about like how these refs move up and what
• 23:47
  decides their pay and their position.
• 23:51
  I don't know if you I just. Put that open.
• 23:52
  No sure I know that. All I can speak for is the high
• 23:55
  school level and the association I ref with specifically.
• 23:58
  I know we get regularly film reviewed by our training staff
• 24:03
  on the association and we get grades based on our games and
• 24:08
  there's a mid season review where where our bio 4 gets
• 24:11
  reviewed and we get put into levels we're able to do.
• 24:15
  So in Oregon they've got 6 classifications of football 1A
• 24:18
  through 6A and in Oregon 1A football is either six men or
• 24:23
  eight men football. 2A football is 9 men football.
• 24:26
  You'll get to 11 men football until you get to 3A4A5 and 6A
• 24:31
  and 6A is the biggest. That's like the Portland
• 24:33
  schools, the same schools, Eugene school, actually not even
• 24:36
  all Eugene schools. Most Eugene schools are 6A.
• 24:38
  And so the better the referee you are, the higher quality
• 24:41
  classification a game you get. And just because it's a 6A game
• 24:45
  doesn't mean it's a better game than out like a 3A or A2A game.
• 24:49
  It depends on on like the teams that are playing because you
• 24:51
  could have the top three teams in the state playing a 3A game
• 24:54
  and or you get assigned to like some of the bottom teams in 6A.
• 24:57
  And so you we do regularly get graded on our body of work and
• 25:02
  we have to maintain a high standard of rule knowledge and
• 25:05
  enforcement on the field to be able to get better games.
• 25:09
  I think it's exactly why we saw the Big 12 referees in the
• 25:12
  national championship last night because of and there's the same
• 25:15
  ones that did the other college football playoffs because their
• 25:18
  body of work throughout the playoffs, throughout the rate in
• 25:20
  the season, having of standard high enough to officiate that
• 25:24
  game. They let the boys play last
• 25:25
  night at the college football national championship until a
• 25:28
  couple of questionable class and Even so much where Kirsten was
• 25:31
  like, yeah, let's get something done here.
• 25:33
  I think the same. It's the same all the way up.
• 25:36
  The problem is, is that the union the referees and the NFL
• 25:38
  have is so locked tight. They're not from what I hear, I
• 25:44
  don't know this first hand, but from what I hear from podcasts
• 25:46
  and things like that is that the NFL is not allowed to talk to
• 25:49
  the referees association until it's like it's like so pre
• 25:53
  seasons in August, I think it's like July, it's like from from
• 25:58
  February to July, you don't get to talk to us.
• 26:01
  We don't have to do any training.
• 26:02
  We're not doing any offseason stuff.
• 26:04
  We're doing our own thing. We have our own other jobs.
• 26:07
  We're they're not even full time employees.
• 26:10
  The NFL needs to absorb, I guess in my opinion, the NFL needs to
• 26:16
  absorb the referees. You into the NFL have full make
• 26:21
  these guys full time employees when it's offseason time, you're
• 26:24
  involved in Rule changes. You're involved in the winter
• 26:26
  meetings where the where the coaches are making rule changes.
• 26:29
  You're able to give and maybe not all the referees, but you're
• 26:33
  able to give opinions. Maybe like the head refs, like
• 26:36
  the like the the the regular White House, we see the the
• 26:39
  Hockey League, the the hussy that you know, the regular ones,
• 26:43
  you know him regular are able to be in those meetings and give
• 26:47
  opinion. What if we make this world
• 26:48
  change? This is a possible negative
• 26:50
  effect or this is a positive effect, And I I can't say that
• 26:53
  doesn't happen. It's possible there is someone
• 26:56
  from the reffing association, the refing even in those
• 26:59
  meetings, but I don't I I truly would not think so.
• 27:02
  It's only to brand man, get them trained up better.
• 27:04
  I think you have a better stable of referees and then I think
• 27:07
  just like players, just like coaches, just like team, just
• 27:11
  like owners. If a referee makes a bad call or
• 27:15
  makes a showboat you move or tries to make the game about
• 27:18
  them, they get suspended, they get fined, they get penalized.
• 27:22
  They they get financially penalized for they're
• 27:26
  wrongdoing. Like for instance, you brought
• 27:28
  up the Ramsey heart, excuse me, Rams Saints in FC championship
• 27:32
  game. The side judge that's staring
• 27:35
  right at that, that didn't make that call that due to the
• 27:38
  generation he's just gotten fired from being a referee
• 27:40
  forever. You are no longer going to
• 27:41
  officiate. No call I've ever seen.
• 27:43
  Yes, there are. There are referees who will keep
• 27:47
  the flight in their pocket and, and, and just for no reason, you
• 27:52
  see it happen. At least it looks like you see
• 27:54
  it happen. And I can, I can tell first hand
• 27:57
  sometimes watching on film, it looks like you're looking right
• 27:59
  at it when really you're working through it.
• 28:02
  And so you don't that you're too close to see it.
• 28:04
  I've had that happen where people were like, how did you
• 28:06
  not see this happen right in front of you?
• 28:08
  I'll say, well, actually this is what I was.
• 28:10
  I understand where it looks like my hat's pointed.
• 28:12
  This is what I was actually working at.
• 28:13
  It's like, OK, well, I guess. But when you're at that level,
• 28:17
  you have to be able to see the entire section you're supposed
• 28:20
  to be looking at because not, there's a reason there's 8
• 28:22
  referees out there. There's 8 referees for 22
• 28:25
  players. Your job is not to watch all 22
• 28:28
  at the same time. You're only supposed to be
• 28:29
  watching your section, your keys, your people.
• 28:33
  So yeah, they, I do believe they do get graded and they do get
• 28:35
  dreads. But I, I think they need to be
• 28:37
  right into the actual NFL union umbrella with the players
• 28:41
  association and everything like that and held you a higher
• 28:44
  standard. I agree.
• 28:46
  All right. Do you guys have anything else
• 28:47
  to add on that before we move on?
• 28:48
  I liked that Avery and I were about, well, actually, all three
• 28:52
  of us were on different sides there and we all had the same
• 28:55
  conclusion. They should have taken more time
• 28:58
  to review these plays, all of them, every single time.
• 29:00
  They should have taken more time to review them anyway.
• 29:04
  All right, so let's go through the games individually and then
• 29:07
  we'll talk about what the eliminated team from those games
• 29:11
  like where they go from here. So well, let's start with you.
• 29:15
  If you have any thoughts on the Bills and Broncos, give us some
• 29:17
  thoughts on that game specifically and then let us
• 29:19
  know where do the Buffalo Bills go from here?
• 29:22
  I kind of shared it. My only real thought is that I
• 29:26
  don't like that the referees decided to put the flag in their
• 29:30
  pocket until the very end. I shared a screenshot in our our
• 29:33
  text chat. The field difference between
• 29:36
  these two was a bit egregious to me and they didn't call a single
• 29:40
  pass. No friends call until overtime
• 29:42
  and it was only against the Bill.
• 29:44
  I do think the Bills got screwed a bit here, but at the same
• 29:46
  time, Josh Allen had for the Bills had five turnovers and
• 29:49
  Josh Allen had four of them. You can't expect to win a game
• 29:53
  like that. That's just not going to happen.
• 29:54
  You have to play better. I think the Bills get the right
• 29:56
  coach in there. I think they need to draft a a
• 29:58
  wide receiver, a quality wide wide receiver this year.
• 30:01
  Quit trying the Patriot model where you have no wide receivers
• 30:05
  and you're just going to make it work.
• 30:06
  You're not Tom Brady and you got to quit relying so much on Josh
• 30:09
  Allen to do everything for you. You got to quit doing that.
• 30:12
  He's going to he's. That's exactly what I wrote
• 30:14
  down. He's what I wrote down is stop
• 30:16
  expecting Josh Allen to save you.
• 30:18
  Making a team game and also Josh Allen quit trying to do
• 30:21
  everything. You have 10 other players on the
• 30:24
  field. It's OK.
• 30:25
  They they can help. So I don't think they changed
• 30:28
  too much. You get the right coach in
• 30:30
  there. It's too bad Harbaugh is already
• 30:32
  hired by the Giants. I think Harbaugh in Buffalo
• 30:34
  would have been pretty good, but we'll see.
• 30:37
  Avery, any thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I, I thought, I
• 30:40
  thought Josh Allen had a bad game.
• 30:42
  I, I, I mean, he did literally have a bad game.
• 30:46
  What can happen whenever I, I think the Broncos, I mean credit
• 30:50
  to them. The big thing in this is, goes
• 30:53
  to what Will was saying, but I don't, I, I mean this generally
• 30:57
  not a big fan of when we point out how many flags got put on
• 31:01
  one team versus another. It, it would be one thing if, if
• 31:05
  we're like, this team had like 5 calls that I could look directly
• 31:09
  at me like that was a missed call or like they messed that
• 31:12
  up. And it, and there were way more,
• 31:15
  you know, fudged calls on this team versus that team.
• 31:18
  But like in general, I mean, and this is going back to yesterday,
• 31:21
  the Miami and Indiana game. I watched the whole thing and
• 31:24
  there was a part where they said, you know, Miami gets the
• 31:26
  10th most penalties out of any team.
• 31:29
  And they said Indiana gets the 10th least amount of penalties
• 31:32
  out of any team in college. And it played out that way where
• 31:36
  you see, you see these frustrations in the yeah, I, I'm
• 31:38
  sure as a Miami fan, you're getting frustrated, but it's
• 31:40
  also like, but you are committing these penalties.
• 31:43
  I'm sorry that Indiana isn't matching your, you know, lack of
• 31:48
  discipline here. But but for the most part, I'm
• 31:51
  not a big fan of, and I think I don't know the solution to this,
• 31:55
  but I really, really don't like the, it's not the punt throw.
• 32:00
  It's, it's, it's just when you throw it up there trying to get
• 32:04
  a flag, I don't like that at all.
• 32:07
  And I really, I really don't know how you would stop that.
• 32:11
  Like, maybe it's something where the refs have to be like, look,
• 32:15
  it's got to be a clear cut, you know, like we're going to be
• 32:18
  strict on this. If it's fourth down and you
• 32:20
  throw it up there, you know, or if it's third down and you're
• 32:23
  just trying to draw a flag, yeah.
• 32:26
  Like we're not, we're not just going to be passing those out
• 32:29
  like candy. You know, I don't like that at
• 32:32
  all. I mean, even even if it's a team
• 32:34
  I'm rooting for, seeing that, I'm like, OK, I wanted to
• 32:38
  actually beat you guys, not get bailed out by the refs and now
• 32:41
  have to hear the opposing fans say, oh, you paid the refs.
• 32:45
  Like it's not fun for anybody. It's the same as a friggin tie.
• 32:50
  No one wants to see that crap. Don't do it.
• 32:53
  Get rid of that. More than these past
• 32:55
  interference calls, more than these catches and receptions,
• 32:57
  Get rid of ties. Abolish ties.
• 32:59
  It's the last remnant of communism left in this country
• 33:02
  and I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it.
• 33:05
  I'm sick of it and I'm glad that it's a miracle that they that
• 33:08
  they don't allow ties in the playoffs.
• 33:09
  I'm almost surprised like, well, you guys can be Co champions, we
• 33:13
  can be Co managers. Anyway, I had to get that out of
• 33:16
  my system. It didn't happen recently, but
• 33:18
  again, it's it's. Pervasive.
• 33:25
  All right, so for for me, I already shared what I wrote
• 33:27
  down. I said for the Bills, stop
• 33:29
  expecting Josh Allen to save you.
• 33:31
  Josh Allen has continuously brought the Bills out of holes
• 33:34
  that they wouldn't have been able to come out of without him.
• 33:37
  But they need to surround Josh Allen with players who can do
• 33:40
  the same thing because he is the only one on that team who can
• 33:44
  bring that team out of a hole. You need to stop giving Josh
• 33:47
  Allen Khalil Shakur as his number one receiving option.
• 33:51
  He's a good player, but let's be real about what he isn't.
• 33:54
  He's not Jamar Chase, he's not Justin Jefferson.
• 33:57
  He's not that type of receiver. When that's your best receiver,
• 34:01
  exactly what do you expect Josh Allen to do?
• 34:03
  He's of course he's going to have to try and do some stuff
• 34:06
  where he's going to make some stupid mistakes because he has
• 34:08
  to. He doesn't have a choice.
• 34:09
  You don't have a game wrecker on defense.
• 34:12
  You don't have a Miles Gary. You don't have a Will Anderson
• 34:14
  type of player on defense. It's just Josh Allen.
• 34:17
  Stop expecting him to save you and build the team so that he
• 34:21
  doesn't have to save you every single time.
• 34:23
  The name of the team is not the Josh Allen's, it's the Buffalo
• 34:27
  Bills. Stop expecting Josh Allen to
• 34:30
  save you and actually build this team so that Josh Allen doesn't
• 34:33
  have to do everything. And also another thing I want to
• 34:35
  say that I would like to get your guys's opinion on after I
• 34:38
  say it. I've been seeing a lot of things
• 34:40
  on social media about people defining what Josh Allen's
• 34:44
  legacy is after this game, after another playoff loss.
• 34:48
  And to me, it's for anyone questioning Josh Allen's legacy,
• 34:53
  for anyone trying to define Josh Allen's legacy, stop.
• 34:56
  Just stop. Josh Allen is 29 years old.
• 35:00
  You can say what he has or hasn't done to this point in his
• 35:03
  career, but as far as legacy goes, his story is not over.
• 35:08
  You can't say that Josh Allen's legacy is this or it's that
• 35:11
  because the legacy is what you'd leave behind.
• 35:13
  It's how you'll be remembered. And I want to give 3 examples of
• 35:17
  other quarterbacks to show you why you can't define their
• 35:19
  legacy until their story is complete.
• 35:22
  Matthew Stafford played for the Lions for 12 seasons, made the
• 35:25
  playoffs three times, went O and three In those games he had a
• 35:29
  regular season record of 74 and 90.
• 35:32
  Before going to the Rams, Matthew Stafford won a Super
• 35:35
  Bowl at 34 years old. Drew Brees.
• 35:39
  Prior to winning the Super Bowl with the Saints, he had been a
• 35:41
  starter for seven years, made the playoffs twice, and went one
• 35:45
  and two in those playoff games. He had a regular season of 55
• 35:48
  and 51, so barely over 500. He did not win the Super Bowl
• 35:51
  until he was 31 years old. And then finally John Elway.
• 35:56
  He didn't win the Super Bowl until he was 37 years old.
• 36:00
  He had been to the Super Bowl 3 times, lost all three prior to
• 36:03
  winning two straight Super Bowls when he was 37 and 38.
• 36:07
  Right now, Josh Allen's legacy is being built, but it cannot be
• 36:11
  defined until his career is over.
• 36:14
  If we get to the point where Josh Allen retires and he
• 36:16
  doesn't win a Super Bowl, then come talk to me.
• 36:19
  But until then, just. Stop.
• 36:21
  Yeah, I, I, I'm this is. No one's going to like this
• 36:24
  take, but it's hard for me to get behind like unless you've
• 36:31
  genuinely proven yourself. What I'm talking about is like
• 36:34
  quarterbacks that are based purely on success.
• 36:37
  And I look at some quarterbacks that have had just bad teams,
• 36:41
  you know, like, I mean, even Matt Stafford and you know,
• 36:44
  Calvin Johnson and the Lions, it's like at least people have
• 36:47
  overcome like Calvin Johnson, despite playing on the Lions
• 36:50
  ones, like, oh, well, he didn't win, you know, any Super Bowls.
• 36:52
  Like dude was undeniable. He was great.
• 36:55
  The thing is with quarterbacks is they're based, they are
• 36:57
  judged based on wins. And you look at this and they
• 37:01
  are making the playoffs every year.
• 37:03
  They're a deep running team. They are a scary team every
• 37:06
  single year. And they come up short.
• 37:08
  This time, I would say like, yeah, the the turnovers were,
• 37:11
  you know, pretty rough. But also it's like that in a
• 37:16
  year we're going to move past that.
• 37:18
  If it if he wins the Super Bowl next year, no one's going to
• 37:20
  care. When you look at Tom Brady, it's
• 37:22
  like the fact that you wanted Tampa Bay and Belichick didn't
• 37:25
  because at the time, at the time, the sports world was a
• 37:29
  little divided on was this Tom Brady or was this Bill
• 37:32
  Belichick? And then we like all figured
• 37:34
  out. But I just feel like it is to
• 37:36
  Joel's credit, he is it's still very early.
• 37:39
  We haven't seen it yet. But even then, the Bills that
• 37:42
  went that won four straight AFC championships, It's like, dude,
• 37:46
  OK, you're the second best team four years in a row.
• 37:49
  I guess you can look at it as you lost the Super Bowl 4 years
• 37:52
  in a row if you want. But no one else has had that
• 37:55
  much success in that span of time.
• 37:57
  In those four years, no team collectively was better than the
• 38:00
  Buffalo Bills. Maybe the Cowboy, maybe the
• 38:03
  Cowboys at that time, But but yeah, I just, I, I look at it as
• 38:08
  far as like their individual body of work compared to what
• 38:11
  they were going up against. If you want to look at like
• 38:14
  winning, it's like then give them the keys to the Kingdom.
• 38:17
  Give them the let them draft the players, let them choose their
• 38:21
  coach. If that's how we're going to
• 38:22
  judge these players by how many championships they have, how
• 38:25
  they perform in, you know, in the postseason, like give them
• 38:28
  the keys to the Kingdom. Otherwise it's like, dude, they
• 38:30
  are an employee. Like this is the coach, this is
• 38:34
  the owners, this is the entire organization.
• 38:37
  Like depended on that is, is infantile at best.
• 38:41
  Anyway, go ahead Will. Excuse me, I'd like to add two
• 38:44
  things on to here. Going off whatever he said, the
• 38:47
  GM is responsible for building the roster, right?
• 38:51
  I think we can all agree with that.
• 38:53
  Brandon Bean, GM for the Buffalo Bills, just got promote it.
• 38:59
  He is GM. Have you not heard his favorite?
• 39:02
  This is new news. He is GM and director of player
• 39:06
  personnel. I think he is player operations,
• 39:08
  player personnel. He got an additional job.
• 39:11
  He got a new Sean McDermott coaching your butt off out here.
• 39:15
  Fired Brandon Bean hit build a roster.
• 39:19
  You know what we like what you're doing let's give you a
• 39:21
  promotion here, your job and the other job we like we like how
• 39:25
  much you're doing do more of it please So there's that
• 39:28
  additionally, this is so there are 18 regular season games, not
• 39:32
  kind of pre season, but let's just say Josh Allen didn't play
• 39:35
  in pre season. I don't know if it's true or
• 39:37
  not. It's not worth working out.
• 39:39
  So let's say 18 regular season games 2.
• 39:42
  Points 18 weeks. 17 games, 17 games, 17 games, and then two
• 39:48
  postseason games. So Josh Allen played nineteen
• 39:51
  games of football this year. I don't think he missed me this
• 39:53
  year, did he? No, no.
• 39:55
  So he. Was in he well in the last game
• 39:57
  of the season he played one snap so he could get this oh OK and
• 40:00
  then. Trisky went awe.
• 40:02
  Yeah, he did. So OK, so forgotten his.
• 40:06
  Performance. Josh Allen played eighteen games
• 40:09
  of football where he was doing everything for the entire team.
• 40:13
  It's no wonder. It's no wonder he had one bad
• 40:17
  game and it just happened to be the one that mattered the most.
• 40:20
  Like he put his body in the line a lot.
• 40:23
  Fernando Mendoza last night, diving on that fourth down, that
• 40:26
  was crazy baller. He drops down doing that in week
• 40:30
  one in the NFL season because he's got no one on his end to
• 40:33
  rely on. He's just out here trying to get
• 40:35
  a point, let alone 8/19/20 weeks later, I guess we'll try to win
• 40:41
  a divisional round. Additionally with that, here's a
• 40:43
  good transition for you, Joe, moving to the second game on
• 40:46
  Saturday, Seahawks, 49ers, same thing.
• 40:50
  You've got one player on that team now, Christian McCaffrey,
• 40:53
  who has done everything for you all season long.
• 40:56
  And then he did not play every game this season.
• 40:58
  I know that for sure. Actually, I don't know that for
• 41:01
  sure. Did he play every game this
• 41:02
  season? OK, pretty sure he did.
• 41:04
  You're right, This might be the first season in years that he's
• 41:06
  played every game this season. In that game, he's 11 carries
• 41:10
  for 35 yards. His body was broken down.
• 41:14
  He just could not handle. He couldn't handle 20 games.
• 41:18
  How 19 games is just ride my back, the entire team get on my
• 41:23
  back. I guess we're going.
• 41:24
  Eventually your legs give out. The black party had more rushing
• 41:28
  hours of Christian McCaffrey in in that game.
• 41:30
  Yeah, I agree. I wrote down the same thing for
• 41:32
  the 49ers as well. I actually wrote down two
• 41:34
  things, but that was one of them was build an offense where you
• 41:37
  don't have to be so reliant on Christian McCaffrey because he
• 41:40
  was your leading rusher and your leading receiver.
• 41:43
  You can take the name out of it, take build an offense that
• 41:45
  doesn't rely heavily on just one person when you're trying this
• 41:49
  situation or Christian McCaffrey.
• 41:50
  Doesn't matter. Right, right.
• 41:51
  But in this situation, it's Christian McCaffrey.
• 41:54
  And so the 49ers specifically have to build an offense that's
• 41:56
  not so reliant on Christian McCaffrey because he had 924
• 42:01
  receiving yards, which was leading the team.
• 42:03
  Their next leading receiver had 643.
• 42:06
  Christian McCaffrey was the leading receiver by 281 yards.
• 42:10
  You have to have more reliable guys to take the load off of
• 42:14
  Christian McCaffrey, because what happens when Christian
• 42:16
  McCaffrey gets hurt again? What happens when he's not there
• 42:20
  for eight games or 10 games or however many games it is?
• 42:23
  And 49ers fans will say, well, we have George Kittle and we
• 42:26
  have Ricky Pearsall. Great.
• 42:27
  Kittle missed six regular season games.
• 42:29
  Pearsall missed 8. So.
• 42:31
  How are you going to rely on those guys when they're not
• 42:32
  there? Well, and then you can't.
• 42:34
  We saw how it happened because in the divisional game, George
• 42:37
  Kittle out again, they didn't score a touchdown exactly.
• 42:39
  Did not score a touchdown exactly.
• 42:42
  In the last two games in Seattle, the Niners only scored
• 42:45
  9 total points, eight quarters in football.
• 42:48
  And I have, I've just, I'll share my other thing that I
• 42:50
  wrote down for the 49ers in the Navy.
• 42:51
  You can give us some thoughts on this real quick.
• 42:53
  But I think the 49ers need to get better secondary pass
• 42:57
  rushers because they had the least amount of sacks in the
• 43:00
  league this year with 20 in the regular season.
• 43:02
  And 49ers fans will use the excuse that Nick Bosa wasn't
• 43:05
  there and he was hurt most of the year, which I get, I get
• 43:08
  that, but it's not an excuse for not having anyone else who can
• 43:11
  effectively rush the passer. The leading SAC guy for the
• 43:13
  49ers this year had 4 sacks. If you take a team like the
• 43:17
  Broncos who had 68 sacks as a team this year which led the
• 43:20
  league, and let's just say Nick Benito gets hurt who had 14
• 43:24
  sacks, that team goes from elite at rushing the passer to really
• 43:28
  good at rushing the passer. If you take away his 14 sacks,
• 43:31
  they go from 68 to 54 and 54 still would have been second in
• 43:36
  the league in sacks. So aside from Benito, the
• 43:39
  Broncos had three guys with seven or more sacks, another
• 43:42
  four guys with four sacks and another nine guys who had at
• 43:45
  least some sort of stat in the sack column.
• 43:48
  You have to get better secondary pass rushers if you're the 49ers
• 43:52
  because you cannot just rely on Nick Bosa on defense, just like
• 43:56
  you rely on Christian McCaffrey on offense.
• 43:58
  No, I, I, I kind of see the four as much as I do not like the
• 44:03
  49ers fans. I don't mind the 49ers as much,
• 44:06
  but I, I see this as like, dude, your guys entire team has been
• 44:10
  decimated and here you are playing Seattle in the playoffs.
• 44:15
  As far as I'm concerned, I'm like gay.
• 44:19
  I mean, it's a little bit of like that Buffalo Bills, you
• 44:22
  know, four time losers kind of situation where it's like, oh,
• 44:25
  here we are talking about the 49ers is like, yeah, because
• 44:28
  they're relevant because they made the playoffs, You know,
• 44:31
  like the Bucks. I mean, dude, there was a point
• 44:33
  in time when they were like, the Bucks are the best team in in
• 44:36
  NFL right now. Baker Mayfield is looking like
• 44:39
  an MVP. It's it, it's such a distant
• 44:42
  memory now that I see this like, dude, I see that as like a
• 44:46
  testament to the coaching of these players.
• 44:48
  It's like with what they were able to do with what they had
• 44:51
  left, I'm like, I understand. It's like maybe that is a
• 44:53
  glaring thing where it's like, hey, you guys either really need
• 44:56
  to focus on getting depth or you need to fire whoever is your
• 45:01
  strength and conditioning and your team doctor because they
• 45:05
  are sabotaging you. It's just it's like a very, very
• 45:08
  suspicious amount of injuries. I think if anything, it's like,
• 45:12
  OK, you could say like all injuries are injuries are just
• 45:14
  part of it. It's like maybe, maybe LeBron
• 45:18
  spends over $1,000,000 a year on his health and he's playing like
• 45:21
  every game. And now there's load management
• 45:23
  stuff. I'm like, dude's going to be
• 45:24
  playing 23 seasons. So it's like clearly there is
• 45:27
  something he's he's not a full, full contact sport.
• 45:30
  I mean, it is contact, but not as much as the NFL.
• 45:32
  But still, I feel like there is something that can be done.
• 45:35
  This is the highest level of football.
• 45:38
  It is the biggest sport in America.
• 45:40
  There has to be something that you can do for your team and for
• 45:43
  your players to keep them healthy.
• 45:45
  I don't know what it is. That's your good job, but having
• 45:48
  this many injuries and not enough depth, like that's on you
• 45:51
  guys. That's on you.
• 45:53
  You know, if you if you you know, drafted these players
• 45:56
  like, well, they're they're a little injury prone.
• 45:57
  It's like that's on you. You you know, I just see this is
• 46:01
  like I I'm not going to look at the 49ers and say like, man, you
• 46:05
  guys like really, you know, you know, shot the bed, not really a
• 46:09
  cuss. So I'm not sorry, but it's
• 46:11
  something that like you have to, you have to get on these
• 46:16
  injuries. You have to figure that out.
• 46:18
  Because if, if that keeps happening and it's not happening
• 46:20
  to other teams, to the to the clip that it's at, to the degree
• 46:22
  it's happening to you, there's something wrong and you need to
• 46:25
  evaluate that. Yeah, I, I don't know if you can
• 46:27
  see it or not, but there's a child Lynch jersey hanging right
• 46:29
  here beside me. Buccaneers Super Bowl jersey
• 46:31
  signed out of rap. Shout out.
• 46:32
  My parents are buying that and try not me for taking it from
• 46:35
  them. Is.
• 46:39
  What you want? He is the GM of the 49ers
• 46:42
  currently and has been for a while.
• 46:43
  I think this comes down to him. Again, we just talked about
• 46:46
  Brandon Bean in Buffalo. It's same thing with John Lynch.
• 46:49
  You have to build depth. You can't Brandon Iukes have the
• 46:52
  whole season and all we heard from 49ers fans about that was
• 46:55
  them pouting. It was, oh, Iukes not playing.
• 46:58
  Oh, get over it, OK, Dude doesn't want to play for you.
• 47:02
  He's choosing to sit out. He's choosing to not talk to
• 47:04
  your team. Move on next, who's next guy up
• 47:08
  build more debt. And I yes, that that's an
• 47:10
  incredibly easy thing to say, an incredibly hard thing to do.
• 47:13
  But as Jewel said, you have got to get people in your second and
• 47:16
  third string who are able to step up and do the thing they
• 47:19
  need to do. And that comes from building the
• 47:21
  right roster and from coaching. And now you don't have Bob Sala,
• 47:24
  Robert Sala anymore. Good luck because I think he was
• 47:27
  instrumental into the team making to the divisional round.
• 47:31
  His defense tried it their best to win you a championship with a
• 47:36
  bunch of nobodies. I mean, I'm almost a bag of
• 47:37
  rocks out there doing their longest.
• 47:40
  But yeah, good luck for the Niners.
• 47:42
  They're in a soft rebuild. It's a full rebuild.
• 47:45
  It's definitely a soft rebuild where they're going to have to
• 47:47
  bring in a bunch of depths because they've consistently it
• 47:50
  wasn't the running backs this year.
• 47:52
  It has been their running backs in the past, but they're they're
• 47:55
  in a a constant cycle of our team's going to get decimated.
• 47:59
  Just what position is it going to be in this year?
• 48:01
  Just happened to be your entire defense.
• 48:03
  It's because they're too close to that substation.
• 48:06
  That's what it is. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:09
  All right, let's move on to Texans and Patriots and we'll
• 48:13
  kind of do these ones a little bit quicker because we're
• 48:15
  getting a little bit low on time here and I want to make sure we
• 48:17
  get on the No. We've had some good
• 48:19
  conversations. So I I love it.
• 48:21
  I love what we talked about so far, but I'll start on this one.
• 48:25
  The Texans and I don't really have any thoughts on the game,
• 48:28
  but aside from the fact that CJ Shroud threw away the game,
• 48:33
  literally 4 interceptions in that game.
• 48:36
  Your defense gave you a lot of chances to come back in that
• 48:40
  game. Will Anderson, I saw him make
• 48:42
  play after play after play and CJ Shout just threw the chances
• 48:46
  away every single time. The Texans have been in the same
• 48:50
  spot for the last three years where they win a playoff game
• 48:52
  and then they make 2 divisional round and then they lose.
• 48:55
  So where do the Texans go from here?
• 48:57
  I think that they have to stop relying on their defense to save
• 49:00
  them. Much like the Bills, they have
• 49:02
  to stop relying on Josh Allen to save them every time.
• 49:04
  The Texans have to stop relying on their defense to save them
• 49:06
  every time. CJ Stroud has been extremely
• 49:09
  average since his rookie season. He set some nice moments like
• 49:11
  winning a playoff game every year, but he's also had some
• 49:14
  really really bad moments like throwing 4 interceptions in a
• 49:16
  divisional round playoff game where he looks awful.
• 49:19
  Last year the excuse was, well his offensive line sucks, they
• 49:21
  give up 54 sacks, but this year they only give up 31.
• 49:24
  So what's the excuse now? Their team rely too much on the
• 49:27
  defense and not enough on the offense, and the offense did not
• 49:30
  contribute near enough for this team to be true contenders.
• 49:33
  If they want to be true contenders, they have to build
• 49:36
  this offense because the NFL changes very quickly from year
• 49:40
  to year. I don't know how long you're
• 49:42
  going to have this level of a defense.
• 49:45
  Will you still have a good defense as long as you have Will
• 49:47
  Anderson and those type of guys? Sure.
• 49:50
  Is it going to be elite like it is right now?
• 49:52
  I don't know how long it's going to be at that level for.
• 49:55
  So you have to get your offense to not the same level, but at
• 49:59
  least to a capable level where this team can truly be
• 50:02
  contenders. And I think it's going to be
• 50:04
  tempting for the Texans in the draft to go, well, how did we
• 50:07
  win games? We won with defense.
• 50:09
  So why not make our defense even better, right?
• 50:11
  You can't do that if you're the Texans.
• 50:13
  You cannot do that because this offense is the reason that your
• 50:17
  team is being held back. Your defense is elite.
• 50:20
  Your offense is not even close to that.
• 50:22
  So you have to build the offense.
• 50:24
  With the exception of the game where they wore those sick red
• 50:28
  uniforms, which I only watched about 10 minutes of.
• 50:31
  That was the first game I'd seen CJ Stroud, and I was so lost.
• 50:36
  I didn't know. I thought this guy was supposed
• 50:39
  to be good. I thought they blew out the
• 50:41
  Steelers. I don't.
• 50:43
  I mean, granted, it was snowing in Foxborough, so like maybe
• 50:47
  that had something to do with it.
• 50:49
  But that was dude, he look like Jameis Winston in the national
• 50:55
  in the College Football Playoff against Oregon.
• 50:57
  That's a deep cut. But anyone knows, you've
• 51:00
  probably seen one of the clips where it was like, whoa, like
• 51:05
  this guy looks like he's on a little bit of shrooms right now.
• 51:08
  Like he is just like he looked lost.
• 51:11
  He looked lost the whole game. And I think that's like the
• 51:14
  biggest thing is, is it's like, you know, you can make a
• 51:18
  mistake, but you know, the camera is going to be
• 51:20
  continually cutting to you. And whether it's fair or not,
• 51:24
  fans draw conclusions from that. And, you know, they can kind of
• 51:27
  see, you know, OK, how are you handling this?
• 51:29
  You know, you you can read a person, especially when they're
• 51:31
  in a very, very high stress situation.
• 51:34
  And I don't think he handled it very well.
• 51:36
  I mean, he's got it kind of got this kind of lost, lost puppy
• 51:38
  dog look. And granted, I haven't seen much
• 51:40
  of him from before, but that was a lot to take in, especially in
• 51:45
  a playoff game where it's like, Hey, I can understand if you
• 51:48
  tried your hardest, but the Patriots just barely, you know,
• 51:51
  edged you out. And I I going back to the
• 51:54
  College Football Playoff. I thought Miami did great.
• 51:56
  I'm like, hey, dude, they crushed everyone this season and
• 52:00
  you guys took them down to the line.
• 52:02
  If it wasn't for that pick, like you guys could have won that
• 52:05
  game. And I see that as like, you
• 52:07
  know, Carson Beck. Oh, typical Carson Beck, like
• 52:09
  bitch, sorry, dad. Carson Beck took them to the
• 52:12
  national championship Like I they lost some games early on or
• 52:17
  no it was that was Notre Dame, I can't remember.
• 52:19
  Anyway, they lost two games. They make it all the way there.
• 52:23
  They beat Ohio State to get there.
• 52:25
  So I see this is like Caleb, he did get there, but losing in
• 52:30
  such an embarrassing fashion is just bad.
• 52:33
  And that is the last taste that is going to be left in
• 52:36
  everyone's mouth for the next 8 months.
• 52:39
  And so now it's you have a lot of fans losing confidence and
• 52:43
  they're kind of in that similar position as the Bills where it's
• 52:45
  like, OK, we're slightly better than mediocre.
• 52:49
  We're making it to the playoffs. But like for what?
• 52:51
  To just lose a few spots in the draft?
• 52:54
  Like there's nothing to hang our hat on on this.
• 52:56
  So I don't really know. But these scrubs got to figure
• 53:01
  some stuff out. Yeah, well, why don't you give
• 53:04
  us some thoughts on this game and the Texans real quick and
• 53:06
  then just transition right into the Chicago Bears.
• 53:09
  Happily, I think the Texans. So I don't really have many
• 53:14
  thoughts in the game like you guys.
• 53:15
  I mean, I don't need to beat the dead horse here.
• 53:17
  Do better. I think it starts by getting rid
• 53:20
  of your OC. You have a head coach who's a
• 53:22
  very Nick Kaley is his name. You have a head coach who's a
• 53:26
  long term defensive player in the league.
• 53:28
  You had a good at DC. You've got a great defense.
• 53:31
  You need you need an aggressive offensive coordinator who's
• 53:36
  going to stand up to your defensive head coach and your
• 53:39
  and your defensive coordinator and be like, listen, there's a
• 53:42
  whole other side of this game that we have to pay attention to
• 53:44
  as well. Because D'amico Ryan's not that
• 53:46
  he can't, but as as head coach, he's for sure focusing more on
• 53:51
  defense. So you need to bring in, I don't
• 53:54
  even know who, Yeah, I mean, take a college head coach that
• 53:58
  you like that's going on offense and bring them in for for OC Get
• 54:04
  somebody strong in there who's going to make his opinion heard
• 54:07
  and his way with it heard you have.
• 54:12
  You talking about a coach? Yeah, I'm talking about their
• 54:14
  offensive coordinator. You really?
• 54:16
  Bring someone in that's good, someone that can win.
• 54:20
  I just say Signetti, don't say someone.
• 54:22
  There's only one he's talking about an OC he's talking.
• 54:25
  About leaving the. Because it's beneath him.
• 54:27
  Got it. Yes, exactly.
• 54:29
  I do truly mean that the NFL is in.
• 54:32
  OC is beneath Signetti at at this point.
• 54:35
  Yeah. It is.
• 54:36
  Being head coaches beneath him, I feel like at this point I'm
• 54:38
  like, dude is. I mean like a Lincoln Riley or
• 54:41
  like someone, someone like that, someone like who's good?
• 54:46
  Mario Cristobal. No, I wouldn't bring him.
• 54:48
  That's around. That's around.
• 54:49
  Where you should be. I I wouldn't buy him as an OC.
• 54:51
  Linebacker coach. Offensive line.
• 54:54
  General Assistant. Not the point.
• 54:56
  Get somebody in there who's who's willing to play to CJ
• 55:00
  Stroud style because you you've got the Rams old OC or or
• 55:03
  somebody from the Rams offensive staff in there now and he's
• 55:06
  playing it seems as if he's expecting Matthew Stafford and
• 55:10
  he doesn't have that. He has he's got CJ Stroud.
• 55:13
  So so get somebody else in that. It's going to do better for your
• 55:17
  team with that Rams Bears who boy howdy, let me start with I
• 55:24
  hate A330 kickoff. I was stressed the entire day
• 55:30
  until kickoff and three, 3330 my time.
• 55:33
  I couldn't imagine if I was on the East Coast.
• 55:35
  It doesn't kick off to 6:30 PM. That's miserable.
• 55:39
  I was. I was useless at my house, man.
• 55:41
  What do the bears do now? I don't get the bears do a call
• 55:44
  during thing. You don't change a thing.
• 55:48
  Hats off to the Chicago Bears. Possibly the Indiana Bears here
• 55:52
  soon. We don't know if he has the hats
• 55:54
  off to them for getting there in year 1 of Ben Johnson.
• 55:57
  They are. I've heard it 100 times.
• 55:59
  They are ahead of schedule and another year under the same the
• 56:04
  same thing. Same coaching staff, same play
• 56:07
  styles in coaching style. They are going to be incredibly
• 56:10
  dangerous next year as well. Get Kayla Williams to stop
• 56:13
  making dumb decisions. But I mean, I can be said about
• 56:15
  so many people get him to stop making nine times out of 10,
• 56:21
  fourth and 4th from the 14 yard line.
• 56:23
  You throw a ball 52 yards in the air that should be intercepted 9
• 56:27
  times out of nuts. This 10th time there was an
• 56:29
  offensive pass reference. Didn't call, not going on it.
• 56:32
  Great catch by Cole. Come at first catch of the game.
• 56:35
  First catch of the game. Just all right, I guess I'll
• 56:37
  just take this one. Just outstanding play to tie the
• 56:40
  ball game up. Caleb Williams can do it.
• 56:43
  You just got to kind of wrangle him in some more.
• 56:45
  And I think that Bears team, I, I know I've talked a lot of crap
• 56:49
  about this Bears team. I've talked.
• 56:51
  This means a lot. This is big for anyone watching
• 56:53
  who hasn't. Seen a lot more.
• 56:55
  Keep an eye on what we're saying right there, because this is
• 56:57
  insane. This isn't if you showed him
• 57:00
  this. Clip.
• 57:02
  Six months ago he'd say that's AI, that's not real, that's
• 57:05
  that's fake. Fake news.
• 57:08
  No, man, I truly mean, I truly mean, I mean Ben Johnson.
• 57:11
  I was so skeptical. I was probably the number one
• 57:14
  skeptic the entire season. Now come on, coach, can't be
• 57:17
  that big a deal. It is.
• 57:19
  It's that big a deal. I don't think they change a Dang
• 57:21
  thing. You don't do anything.
• 57:23
  Just just keep your another year, get another year with your
• 57:27
  personnel under your belt, continue to draft well, maybe
• 57:30
  get another a couple offensive line pieces, 'cause you trade
• 57:33
  for a bunch. So who knows if they're going to
• 57:35
  stay together or not. You resigned a bunch or you
• 57:38
  signed a bunch in the offseason. Maybe build up your offensive
• 57:40
  line a bit more. That way Kelly Williams doesn't
• 57:42
  have to scramble. He could if he wants to, but
• 57:44
  doesn't have to. But this Bears team is in a good
• 57:47
  position moving forward. I agree that they're in a really
• 57:48
  good position. I disagree that they shouldn't
• 57:51
  change anything though, and the reason why is because much like
• 57:54
  the Bills and the Texans and the 49ers, they rely too much on one
• 57:59
  side of the ball or on one player.
• 58:01
  The Bears rely too much on fourth quarter comebacks.
• 58:05
  The Bears have to stop putting themselves in position to have
• 58:08
  to come back every single time. They had seven wins when
• 58:12
  trailing with two minutes or less this season.
• 58:14
  That is incredibly hard to do, and while it is very impressive
• 58:17
  that they were able to do that, I don't think they're going to
• 58:19
  be able to do that as many times next year.
• 58:22
  I said that about the Chiefs before this season that if they
• 58:25
  wanted to make the playoffs again, they would have to play
• 58:27
  better overall football if they wanted to win this season
• 58:30
  because of the season before they got away with a lot of wins
• 58:33
  that they probably shouldn't have.
• 58:35
  There was a lot of skill involved.
• 58:36
  There was also a lot of luck involved.
• 58:38
  But this year they didn't get as lucky and so they missed the
• 58:41
  playoffs. I'm not saying that the Bears
• 58:43
  were all luck. There was a lot of skill
• 58:45
  involved in that as well. So what I'm saying is it is
• 58:47
  incredibly hard to come back that many times when trailing
• 58:51
  with under 2 minutes in one season.
• 58:54
  And if the Bears think that they're going to do that same
• 58:56
  thing again next year, I don't see it happening.
• 58:59
  Will they make some comebacks? Yes.
• 59:01
  Will they make 7 in one season? Probably not.
• 59:05
  They're just going to have to play better.
• 59:07
  And I think that they will because they'll have another
• 59:10
  year in Ben Johnson's system with mostly the same players and
• 59:15
  they'll get more used to it. They'll get their chemistry
• 59:16
  better. Like their chemistry.
• 59:18
  You could see throughout the year that their chemistry got
• 59:20
  better throughout the year, like specifically with Caleb Williams
• 59:23
  and Colson Loveland. With Caleb Williams and Colson
• 59:26
  Loveland, their chemistry skyrocketed at the end of the
• 59:30
  year. So like if a full another
• 59:32
  offseason in Ben Johnson's system with these guys all
• 59:34
  together, I do see them getting better and playing better next
• 59:38
  season. But you cannot rely on winning
• 59:41
  seven games when you're trailing in the last two minutes.
• 59:44
  You can't rely on that. And that's what the Bears did
• 59:47
  this season. And ultimately it ended up
• 59:49
  costing them in the playoffs because they relied too much on
• 59:52
  their ability to come back late in games.
• 59:55
  I will say I agree with what you guys are saying.
• 59:58
  I as someone who is a fan of North Carolina basketball and I
• 1:00:03
  am taking it there right now, that team has no ability to stop
• 1:00:08
  the bleeding and so. To see a team that has the grit
• 1:00:14
  to be able to claw their way back is really nice to see.
• 1:00:18
  And that that could all just depend on your perspective on
• 1:00:22
  what you know. If someone has a fault, it's
• 1:00:25
  like, well, they've got this fault.
• 1:00:26
  And it's like, well, what about all these other things they do?
• 1:00:28
  Well? It's like, well, I'm focused on
• 1:00:30
  the fault and I see that. And, and like Will said, they
• 1:00:33
  are ahead of schedule. They are ahead of schedule.
• 1:00:35
  Ben Johnson is scary. Caleb, Caleb Williams clearly
• 1:00:39
  can do it. And these are all things that
• 1:00:41
  can be corrected. In fact, if anything, it gets to
• 1:00:45
  the point where it's like, dude, if the Bears are up on you in
• 1:00:48
  the fourth quarter, it's over over.
• 1:00:51
  And I think that's a great position to be to not feel like,
• 1:00:54
  oh, we're we started playing not to lose.
• 1:00:57
  Now we're going to lose to know that your team has that in it
• 1:01:01
  like that pass was stupid. It's that was insane.
• 1:01:06
  That was if that happened in Madden, like they would turn the
• 1:01:10
  game off, they'd be like, no, no, why is my DB 5 1/2 yards
• 1:01:16
  away from the from the receiver like they're only going for the
• 1:01:20
  end. I anyway, I just, I see it as
• 1:01:22
  this team is doing really, really well.
• 1:01:25
  I saw a video of Caleb Williams at a hockey game, a Blackhawks
• 1:01:28
  game, I think, or what is it Blackhawks?
• 1:01:30
  Is that their hockey? Team.
• 1:01:32
  And he was, everyone is cheering for him.
• 1:01:34
  And I was like, I thought he just lost.
• 1:01:36
  And I'm like, well, made that really good catch.
• 1:01:39
  They lost the game. Bears have been trashed for a
• 1:01:42
  while. They're not really trash.
• 1:01:44
  Now, they did lose that game, but to a team that could
• 1:01:47
  potentially win the Super Bowl. So it's like, hey, hey, from
• 1:01:50
  where we were feeling pretty good.
• 1:01:52
  Feeling pretty good right now. So as far as I'm concerned like
• 1:01:56
  that, I mean, hey, gave Rams fans some heart attacks.
• 1:02:00
  I feel like, yeah, I feel, I mean, Will couldn't get anything
• 1:02:03
  done that day. As far as I'm concerned, you
• 1:02:05
  guys are doing, you guys are doing OK all.
• 1:02:07
  Right. Well, let's move on to the
• 1:02:09
  conference championship games. We got to go over these with the
• 1:02:12
  time we got left because we're kind of running out here.
• 1:02:14
  So Rams at Seahawks. So in their first meeting the
• 1:02:19
  Rams won the game by two points and in their second meeting the
• 1:02:22
  Seahawks won the game by one point in overtime.
• 1:02:25
  I expect this to be another very close game.
• 1:02:28
  I expect the Seattle defense will keep them in the game like
• 1:02:31
  they've done both times because Sam Darnold has thrown a total
• 1:02:35
  of 6 interceptions in those two games.
• 1:02:37
  In the first game, Sam Darnold threw 4 interceptions and the
• 1:02:40
  Seahawks only lost by two, and in the second game he threw 2
• 1:02:44
  interceptions and the Seahawks won by one.
• 1:02:47
  While Matthew Stafford has thrown 5 interceptions in those
• 1:02:50
  two games, or five touchdowns. Sorry, Matthew Stafford has
• 1:02:53
  thrown 5 touchdowns in those two games, 0 interceptions and
• 1:02:56
  somehow they've only won by two and they lost by 1.
• 1:03:00
  So I expect this to be a very close game, just like the first
• 1:03:04
  two were. I also said that about Seahawks
• 1:03:06
  49ers. That did not happen, but this
• 1:03:09
  time I mean it. I think this is going to be
• 1:03:10
  another very close game. All right.
• 1:03:12
  He goes next layer deeper than that.
• 1:03:13
  So yes. And you're like you mentioned,
• 1:03:15
  in those two games, the Rams have scored 58 points and the
• 1:03:18
  Seahawks have scored, yeah, 59 points.
• 1:03:21
  Isn't it 56? Yep, 56.
• 1:03:24
  No, it's one that doesn't matter.
• 1:03:27
  Let's talk about the yards. No.
• 1:03:28
  No 5757 because they won by one point in one game and they lost
• 1:03:33
  by two in another game. So there's a one point
• 1:03:35
  differential 57. They're just numbers, guys.
• 1:03:37
  They're not real. You're right.
• 1:03:39
  And and the yards, the yards totals for each team in those
• 1:03:44
  two games, the Rams have have gained 830 yards and the
• 1:03:48
  Seahawks in those two games have gained 829 yards.
• 1:03:52
  These two teams are incredibly evenly matched.
• 1:03:56
  As Jill mentioned, Donald has done 14 picks on the year. 6 of
• 1:04:00
  them have been to the ramps in in five quarters of football.
• 1:04:03
  And so that's, that's huge. OK.
• 1:04:06
  I, I think we are about to see the most classic football game
• 1:04:10
  that we've seen in a long time real quick.
• 1:04:12
  I know we have like 0 time real quick.
• 1:04:15
  Do you know the total combined rushing totals for these two
• 1:04:19
  quarterbacks, Donald and Stafford?
• 1:04:21
  I know I haven't memorized. What is?
• 1:04:23
  Give me a guess. Just give.
• 1:04:25
  Me a guess but but you just go ahead.
• 1:04:26
  Give me a guess. 10 yards. Oh, it's more than that.
• 1:04:30
  It's more than that 20, No, so, so St.
• 1:04:33
  Donald, Sam Donald has 95 rushing yards in the season.
• 1:04:37
  Combined, they have 96. We are going to see, we are
• 1:04:41
  going to see drop back to pass, throw the football, hand the
• 1:04:45
  ball off, run the foot like that.
• 1:04:48
  This is going to be the most classic 2 tight end set game you
• 1:04:51
  could ever imagine. You'll see more tight ends in
• 1:04:53
  this game. I'll leave the inappropriate
• 1:04:56
  joke out of it. We're moving on.
• 1:04:57
  I think the biggest key to this game is the fact that is that in
• 1:05:01
  those two games, RAM Seahawks that we've already had, Zach
• 1:05:04
  Charbonnet had 20 carries for 69 yards and a touchdown where
• 1:05:08
  Kenneth Walker had 27 carries for 167 yards and two
• 1:05:12
  touchdowns. Finding someone to replace Zach
• 1:05:14
  Charbonnet to give Kenneth Walker a break to break these
• 1:05:18
  big wins is going to be the biggest the biggest drawback for
• 1:05:22
  the Seahawks. They're going to have to find
• 1:05:24
  someone to do it. Their current backup is of the
• 1:05:28
  the Leas Jones Junior. He has not had more than 9
• 1:05:31
  carries an entire season. They've got somebody coming back
• 1:05:34
  from IR who might be able to play.
• 1:05:36
  I think this is going to come down to the run game and then
• 1:05:39
  the Rams defensive line getting to Sam Donald better than they
• 1:05:43
  got to Kayla Williams because neither quarterback is mobile.
• 1:05:46
  And then and it also comes down to the Rams offensive line
• 1:05:49
  protecting way better than they protected against the Bears.
• 1:05:52
  Matthew Stafford was under fire the entire game against the
• 1:05:56
  Bears. He was not able to sit back
• 1:05:57
  there and do anything. It was miserable to watch.
• 1:06:01
  This is grandpa, not quite Philip Rivers grandpa, but
• 1:06:04
  grandpa throw the ball, trying to throw the ball over and over
• 1:06:08
  again. Although I do have to say I like
• 1:06:09
  the Rams in this game. It'll be a close one.
• 1:06:12
  I think we've got AII think legitimately comes down to the
• 1:06:15
  same reason Ben Johnson didn't go for two at the end of the
• 1:06:18
  game there because the Rams goal line and short yardage defense
• 1:06:22
  had been very stout the entire game.
• 1:06:24
  I think Max McDonald does go for two and the game ends. 2120 Rams
• 1:06:28
  win. My head tells me Seahawks, but
• 1:06:30
  my heart for you, Will tells me Rams.
• 1:06:33
  I appreciate that. All right, Avery, give us some
• 1:06:37
  thoughts on this game and then why don't you just transition
• 1:06:40
  right into Patriots at Broncos? Yeah, no, I, I agree with Will
• 1:06:44
  completely. I this this game is going to be
• 1:06:46
  fun to watch. I don't see a world where this
• 1:06:49
  is a boring game. It's really not a whole lot to
• 1:06:52
  say on this. I just think it will be very,
• 1:06:53
  very, very exciting. The other game, though, I don't
• 1:06:56
  know. I didn't realize I was like
• 1:06:59
  setting myself up there. Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  I. I'm.
• 1:07:03
  Hey, I'll tell you what at least, At least this backup has
• 1:07:06
  a full week to prepare rather than, you know, Bo got hurt in
• 1:07:11
  the first quarter. He's just got to go in.
• 1:07:13
  Hasn't, you know, at all been prepared.
• 1:07:16
  So I, I would be curious to see just because of how stout this
• 1:07:19
  Broncos defense is. Granted, Bo Nix isn't really
• 1:07:23
  much of A downfield passer. He's even at Oregon.
• 1:07:27
  He's he's hitting these slams, he's hitting these short, short
• 1:07:30
  passes. I feel like that shouldn't be as
• 1:07:33
  difficult to replace. Not saying you can just replace
• 1:07:37
  Bo Nix. I'm just saying, hey, he's not
• 1:07:39
  throwing bombs, you know, down the field to Randy Moss, you
• 1:07:42
  know, also the Patriots. I mean, I still think the
• 1:07:44
  Patriots are going to win it all somehow.
• 1:07:48
  I'm not sure how they're going to be.
• 1:07:50
  I feel like the NFC has got this one in the bag, but something
• 1:07:52
  tells me the Patriots are going to fall it out anyway.
• 1:07:55
  Just keeping it short and sweet there.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah, just going based off of that with the backup, I've seen
• 1:07:59
  a lot of people comparing the Broncos quarterback situation to
• 1:08:02
  the 2017 Eagles with Nick Foles. Not the same thing.
• 1:08:06
  Not the same thing. There is a huge difference
• 1:08:08
  between those two situations. Jared Stidham has four career
• 1:08:12
  starts and he's one and three in those starts.
• 1:08:15
  Before the 2017 season, Nick Foles had 36 starts, 37 if you
• 1:08:19
  count the playoffs, and in those 36 starts he was 20 and 16.
• 1:08:23
  There is a huge difference in the experience between those two
• 1:08:26
  guys. It is not even close to the same
• 1:08:29
  thing. Jared Stidham has never thrown a
• 1:08:30
  postseason pass. He's also not thrown a regular
• 1:08:34
  season pass in two years, not even close to the same thing.
• 1:08:37
  The only real hope I have for Jared Sidham is, like Avery
• 1:08:40
  mentioned, he's going against that Broncos defense every day
• 1:08:43
  in practice. That's really the only hope that
• 1:08:45
  I have for Jared Sidham in this game is because he's going
• 1:08:47
  against that Broncos defense in practice.
• 1:08:49
  So it is going to prepare him very well to go against the
• 1:08:53
  Patriots defense. That's really the only hope that
• 1:08:55
  I have for him, though. The experience thing and
• 1:08:58
  comparing them to the 2017 Nick Foles with the Eagles, it's not
• 1:09:02
  even close to the same thing. But just because it's a backup
• 1:09:05
  quarterback, people are like, oh, it's the same.
• 1:09:07
  They're going to win the Super Bowl with their backup
• 1:09:08
  quarterback. It it's not the same thing.
• 1:09:11
  Real quick, just want to interject.
• 1:09:12
  This is a little off topic, but going back to quarterbacks and
• 1:09:15
  winning, I think even though Sam Darnold has been, you know,
• 1:09:18
  isn't, you know, statistically the greatest quarterback going
• 1:09:21
  from the Vikings and turning them into a really good looking
• 1:09:25
  team and then going to the Seahawks and turning that around
• 1:09:28
  too, for going off of winning. I think, I think I think Darnold
• 1:09:32
  needs a little bit more recognition, But that's a that's
• 1:09:34
  a discussion for a different time.
• 1:09:35
  I just want to put that out there, put some respect on his
• 1:09:38
  name. All right, will give us your
• 1:09:39
  final thoughts. So in the post season this year
• 1:09:43
  Drake May is 33 of 56. That is a 58 percent, 58.9% with
• 1:09:50
  your percentage. His biggest tout for MVP is the
• 1:09:54
  fact that he had a 72% completion percentage in the
• 1:09:57
  regular season. This postseason, he is putting
• 1:10:00
  the ball in the ground a lot more and turning the ball over a
• 1:10:03
  lot more on a percentage base, right.
• 1:10:06
  We have a smaller sense size obviously in postseason.
• 1:10:08
  This Broncos defense is incredibly stout.
• 1:10:11
  They are very good. We have not seen very good from
• 1:10:16
  the Patriots offense. In your game against the
• 1:10:18
  Chargers, it was 4 field goals, 3 field goals, and one very late
• 1:10:23
  touchdown. In the game against the Texans,
• 1:10:26
  everyone's talking about how bad CJ Stroud did.
• 1:10:29
  Drake made it not do very well either.
• 1:10:30
  He turned the ball over way more than he should.
• 1:10:33
  He only had one turnover, but I do believe there were multiple
• 1:10:35
  fumbles that he had against against the Texans and they won.
• 1:10:40
  There were they only scored 28 points, which is not a lot, but
• 1:10:44
  when the Broncos can have a 33 point fourth quarter, yes,
• 1:10:48
  different quarterback, sure, But Jared said that this is his
• 1:10:51
  third year in the Broncos organization.
• 1:10:54
  This is not like the Colts this year who are running out to go
• 1:10:57
  call Phillip Rivers of a hey, we need somebody to come run this
• 1:11:00
  offense. You did it five years ago, can
• 1:11:02
  you do it again? I think it is a vastly different
• 1:11:05
  thing. I also think this is very not
• 1:11:08
  Mike Rabel esque of them, but I think that the the Patriots
• 1:11:12
  team, just like the rest of the world, is underestimating the
• 1:11:14
  Broncos. As Avery said, Bonex is not a
• 1:11:17
  down the field thrower. His longest pass for the season
• 1:11:19
  is only 52 yards and I don't know how much of that is after
• 1:11:23
  the catch. It's the yards after.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah, yeah. So we're not talking about a
• 1:11:27
  team who's trying to do the Drew Brees throw the ball as far as
• 1:11:30
  we can until his arm falls off. We don't have Jacoby Brassett
• 1:11:34
  who's throwing the ball halfway across the field just because we
• 1:11:36
  can't. So we we are a short passing
• 1:11:39
  team. JK Dobbins is back this week.
• 1:11:42
  So you've got JK Dobbins and RJ Harvey back there.
• 1:11:46
  I like the Broncos to win this game.
• 1:11:48
  I like the Broncos to win this game at home.
• 1:11:50
  I think they steal. I think they literally steal the
• 1:11:53
  win. This is a pick six in the fourth
• 1:11:56
  quarter to win the game. Broncos do it in Bronco fashion
• 1:11:59
  where pick six, they run the ball down and they end up being
• 1:12:04
  the Patriots. 2421 or something like that.
• 1:12:07
  Probably more like 1714 if we're being honest.
• 1:12:10
  Drake May has played sloppy in the postseason so far, and the
• 1:12:14
  Broncos feast on sloppy. Play.
• 1:12:16
  I like it. I don't like a.
• 1:12:17
  Score an offensive touchdown. I'll just.
• 1:12:20
  Oh, there we go. There we.
• 1:12:22
  Go Sorry, I don't think the Broncos go down on the
• 1:12:25
  touchdown. Broncos go on offensive
• 1:12:27
  touchdown I. Was going to say, if that was
• 1:12:29
  about Patriots, I'm going to put that on the Internet.
• 1:12:30
  You're going to get absolutely roasted.
• 1:12:32
  That's fine, I'm really the. Broncos don't score an offensive
• 1:12:36
  touchdown and beat the Patriots. I like that a lot.
• 1:12:40
  Yep, Ramandra Strevensson has put the ball on the turf too
• 1:12:43
  many times. Drake may put the ball on the
• 1:12:45
  turf too many times watching this Broncos defense to step up
• 1:12:48
  and win this game. OK.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:12:51
  Well, that's what we got time for on tonight's episode.
• 1:12:54
  We'll be back next week with kind of a similar outline.
• 1:12:57
  We're probably going to recap the games from the conference
• 1:13:00
  championship. We'll talk about the Super Bowl
• 1:13:02
  match up, and we'll probably do something else in there too.
• 1:13:05
  I don't know what yet. But as always, don't forget to
• 1:13:08
  keep your balls played with. We'll see you next time.
• 1:13:10
  Bye now y'all. Also, Mark Davis's haircut still
• 1:13:12
  sucks.