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The Low Down On The Southern Border · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  And we're back third hour of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. That's Grant
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  Allen. I'm Preston and he's back. Retired US Border Patrol agent a Zeus
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  Rodriguez. Good day, sir, Marry Christmas, Happy New Year. How
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  in the world are you doing well? Sir? Good morning? How you
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  doing. I'm terrific all things considered, I am curious. We haven't talked
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  in a few months. We decided we'd space these out a little bit,
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  let some things percolate, and then visit as sort of to be able to
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  talk about some more things with a little more clarity. I just saw a
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  CBO number Congressional Budget Office that says six point two illegal immigrants have come into
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  the United States in three years. When you hear a number like that,
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  can you quantify it for me as a Border patrol agent. It's an invasion.
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  Pressmen, it's really an invasion out there. And you were saying,
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  you use the word percolates over the past few months. It wasn't. It's
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  not even a perculate. It boiled over out there, especially out in the
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  Lukeal area and near Aho. It just it over just overwhelmed the agents completely
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  I think it began probably one of the last conversations that we had, and
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  I know that the weekend of Thanksgiving, one of the agents mentioned to me
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  that they had at least over a thousand, five hundred per day that came
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  in during that four day period or so, that it was just they were
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  overwhelmed completely. Describe what you mean by that first, Lukeville, Arizona,
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  where are we talking. We're talking about thirty plus miles south of Ajo,
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  Arizona, where down in the southern part of Arizona probably and in a Jos
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  as a excuse me, luke Fild is the gateway to Rocky Point where there's
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  a lot of people that go down there for for irritation, and since it's
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  part of that Gulf of uh Uh of Mexico there and so there there is
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  a lot of uh movement. There was a lot of movement and there still
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  is not not as much because the cartails are fighting, but prior to that,
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  there was quite a bit of movement of people of the legal aliens coming
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  through there, and it's really that's one of the one of the hot spots
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  that they were the agents had during that end of the year of last year
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  with all the all the aliens coming through, and it was just like I
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  said, overwhelmed that they were. People were sitting out there for two or
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  three days camped out, basically camped out because they just didn't have enough vehicles
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  to transport people out of those out of the border area to the station to
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  get processed. That's what I wanted to hear a little bit more about.
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  When when we hear that the border patrol agents are being overwhelmed, just in
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  a minute or so, distinguish what that means from say, not being overwhelmed
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  and being able to do what they're charged to do versus being overrun. What
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  happens, what changes? So normally an agent will go out to the field
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  and what we what they would do. What we would do in the passes,
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  you would go cut cut the line, and that means you're going to
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  go look for footprints, whether their their footprints off of a shoe, off
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  of boots, whether it's carpet that they were on their on their on their
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  shoes to disguise their footprints across UH some of these roads. And that's normally
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  what they would do. They'd also rely on from the technology that they are
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  that's out their sensors cameras that that may may may see I legally, you
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  know, crossing the border area, that's what they normally would do. But
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  in this situation now they were tasked with just going down there, picking up
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  as many as they could in those vehicles safely of course, you know,
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  anywhere from a dozen or so, putting them in the van, getting them
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  up to the process of facility in the AHA station, and in some cases
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  they were beating some of the illegal Alians were being shipped out to other stations
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  for processing. So it wasn't just the AHA station that was getting a whelmed,
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  it was an entire Tucson sector because they were shut under the checkpoints which
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  would normally remain open, whether going into Phoenix, going into Tucson, the
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  biggest one and coming out in our gallus that goes into Tucson was shut down.
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  And so that's I mean, that's an important checkpoint because you do get
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  a lot of narcotics and a lot of illegal aliens that come to those through
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  these checkpoints, especially that one in particular. So they were just tasked with
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  picking up one of the ages kind of jokingly cold the bordem trow Uber I'm
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  laughing to keep from crying. Your guy, do what you're talking about.
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  It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott back talking southern border. No shortage of
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  things to talk about with Azeus Rodriguez, US Border Patrol agent retired hezeus.
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  Just a just a guess. If six point two million illegals is the number
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  that the Congressional Budget Office thinks it knows, what do you think the number
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  is including those we don't know? Oh God, Chris, now that's that's
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  a good question, Pruston. I mean you're talking since these agents were tasked,
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  was having to transport all these bodies out of those out of that border
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  area, who knows how many came through some of those gaps or some of
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  those areas where they were not able to work. Uh, it's honestly,
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  there is no no clue whatsoever because they don't they don't have didn't have the
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  chance to go look and some of those areas and problem areas and see where
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  they were getting into vehicles and driven out. And again going back to what
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  I mentioned earlier, the checkpoints being down, it's a free it basically,
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  once to get into a vehicle, it's a free ride. To wherever the
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  inter get to Phoenix, Tucson, anywhere in the country once you hit the
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  interstate. So so the agents don't necessarily have like a working rubric that says,
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  for every number that we get to process, there's x number that we're
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  not even seeing and know about. Back in the day. And I say
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  back in the day, maybe up to five six years ago, they estimated
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  that we would apprehend two out of every ten. That's a guestimate. If
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  that number, if that were to hold accurate, we would be I mean
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  tens of millions in this country. Well yeah, I mean right now.
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  Let mean, look, look what's happening right now, and we're just talking
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  just that little small sliver of the area of Arizona and lukevill and you know,
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  think about California, and think about everywhere everywhere else law the southern border.
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  I mean, the agents are just overwhelmed. And you know, there's
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  no agency in the world that could handle, you know, what what's happening
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  to the border patrol right now and still go out there and do their normal
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  duties. None, there's none. One of the things that's being mentioned as
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  a reason why this number is so large. Of the known numbers. Is
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  something called a parole loophole. Do you know anything about that? What's that
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  about? You know, I've heard about it. I'm persting, but I
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  don't know exactly all the how it works. But once the way it works
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  is once the the illegally need comes in and they take them to the station
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  to get processed, they're basically released. And a lot of times and so
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  these NGOs, these non governmentalid agencies come in, take them up, take
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  them to these facilities where they have eve, whether it's in Phoenix, whether
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  it's in Two Sons and other or other cities along the southern border. And
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  then from there they're taking the bus stations, airports and then they go wherever
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  they where they need to go to. And during the holidays they had to
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  go to the airport, and there was in Phoenix and there was I honestly
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  I lost count of how many there were and just in the Phoenix airport waiting
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  to waiting to fly out. You mentioned NGOs, and and those are non
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  government organizations, right, yes, sir, And among them a group called
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  Elitea's Angels. There are others. James O'Keeffe has featured Alda's Angels independent journalists
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  or you know working in San Antonio and they're talking about these NGOs. We
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  got about a minute left in this segment. We'll carry it over, but
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  explain the role of these NGOs. What are they doing? So basically what
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  they do is they provide you know, hot meals, places, stay for
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  a while until they can get them to their final destination. Was like I
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  said, whether they are they're they're in the facility for a day or so,
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  and then they get them to the bus stations or to the airports,
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  uh you know too, and then they go from there they fly out,
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  they or they're busted out. Is of course the families, the families that
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  are have to pay for that in some instances will pay for that, so
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  they could the person get to where they need to get to. Is it
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  fair to say that they're assisting in this invasion of our country and maybe even
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  human trafficking? President, I'm going to say something that I know I heard
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  several agentsy is that we are. They are. Also they also feel that
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  they're part of the problem because they're not able to to to apprehend them and
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  then send them back to where they they came from. And so yeah,
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  I'd say that. You know, there's everybody has a hand in that.
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  You know, these NGOs as well as as our own federal government has a
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  hand in that. We're just cutting people loosee l A on your phone with
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  Xbox and Sonos and Ihearts radio station. Final segment and with a US Border
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  Patrol agent retired a Zeus Rodriguez during the Morning Show with Preston Scott a Zeus,
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  we were just talking in the break about the cartels and you know,
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  the fight over who's going to control what the agents themselves. Are they hopeful
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  that Donald Trump comes back into office. He is, I think they are.
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  They all are. They're hoping that and keeping their fingers crossed that uh,
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  you know, once the election takes place, that he'll take his place
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  again in the White House and and start to change things up again. But
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  you know, with that said, they're also they also understand that, you
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  know, there's a possibility that it's not many, it may not be fair,
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  and people can say whatever they want, they can say conspiracy blah blah
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  blah. But I mean, come on, we know that that under his
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  under his guidance and leadership. It was a totally different border. It was
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  a totally different border. But so now with this guy and right now it's
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  it's chaotic. But with the prospect of that maybe happening, obviously, you
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  know, we we hope for the best with fairness of the election, but
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  that then tells me that the pressure in the next ten months is going to
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  be immense on the southern border as people see the possibility of Trump taking office.
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  I think so present and I think that that it might it would probably
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  get worse on the on the uh, on the agents if Trump were to
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  were to win the White House back, you could see a big rush of
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  illegals coming up to the border and crossing into the country. With with knowing
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  that that he's coming back into into the office and knowing that, you know,
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  there's going to be there's going to be changing the border, There's no
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  doubt about it. What's what changes there's going to be who knows, but
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  it's going to be a change, that's for sure. You're talking about the
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  the openness of those who cross the border and how they post the things on
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  social media about breaking into the country. Oh yeah, the agents have mentioned
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  to me that there, you know, some of them get upset, and
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  rightly, so there's no there's no consequences, so we goes. They're so
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  laxed, and so they're non caring that they take they're taking selfies of themselves
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  with in the background with the barriers that that was that were put up during
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  during the Trump administration. So then they're just there's not a care in the
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  world because they know there's no consequence. There's nothing that's gonna happen to them.
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  They're not going to be sent back to their country. They're gonna once
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  you get process, they're gonna get released, and they're gonna get to go
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  wherever they need to go to, whether it's back East or anywhere else in
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  the country. Well, and I want you to explain what you did to
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  me in the break about how you have to basically take their word for whoever
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  they are, because unless you have an actual identity, there is no way
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  to find out anything about these people at the border through processing, right And
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  so what I've been told over the course of all these these past few years
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  is that they said there's there's a lot of these guys carry cell phones,
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  but there is no sim cards in some of these cell phones, they take
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  the SIM cards out and dump them on the on the Mexican side. Because
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  so now as an Intel agent, you cannot access their cell phone and see,
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  you know, what they have, who they've spoken to, you know,
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  whether if they have they have really their true identity, because they can
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  tell you who you know, they can give you a false name, and
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  you'll process them as such unless and when you process and you're looking for that
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  that particular fingerprint and facial uh picture of that person to see if they've ever
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  been had any contact with law enforcement or with the immigration service here in the
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  country. But you don't have access to some of those databases of the country
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  where they're coming from, so you really don't know you know, who that
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  person was. And let's say a country of Senegal, in a country of
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  Mauritania and those countries like that, whether where these people are coming from.
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  You don't have access to those databases, so you only relying on what you're
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  finding here in the US. And if they don't have any record of ever
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  being here in the US, you know, you possed them as such,
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  and and out the door they go. You mentioned to me that in your
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  two plus decades of working the border, that only once somebody popped up on
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  Interpol once that I can remember you one, right, and then that was
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  rather quickly, and you know we processes as such. But you know,
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  in those in all my in all my years, that was only the only
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  time I can ever think of that ever happened. And that's the only database
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  that Border Patrol has access to that might flag somebody who has had a criminal
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  background internationally. Right, So they'll run them and they'll have access to the
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  to the FBI database. So of their process and put into the into the
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  FBI database of a person who's been interested in Charlotte, North Carolina for whatever
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  crime, that their fingerprints and that and their picture will pop up on the
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  screen or tell you that you know they have they have some some prior criminal
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  history and then you you you go from there. Right. Other than that,
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  there's no there's no way to know whether the person coming from the you
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  know, whatever African country they're coming from, or some other countries that they're
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  that they're uh that they're claiming to be from. You won't you don't have
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  access to those databases. Intelligent and intelligent can talk to them. But again,
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  they have to they have to be able to to be able to to
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  get that information from them, whether they're willing to give it up or not.
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  A different question. Do me a favor with anyone that you contact with
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  at Border Patrol, male or female. Tell them thank you for the most
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  of us in this country that care a lot about what they're doing and that
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  we appreciate what they can do. Thank you, Thanks so very much,
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  Jesus, You'll be well. Okay, takes hey. Zeus Rodriguez, US
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  Border Patrol retired on the Morning Show with Preston Scott