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Ep. 257 ~ The Hell You Say? · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Remember like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell, they actually devoted the show what was
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it called The Lives of Right. Yeah, what an embarrassment. I mean,
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everything is going to hail down here in Decton. No, no,
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no, no, God. Hello what I don't even think that's a word.
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Hello, oh God, here we go. It feels like a Monday,
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folks. I was trying to say hello and Spanish. Anyway, what's
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up, everybody. It's your boy, the Triple B, Big Bad Bob
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here with you, otherwise known as Rob Clark. This is the Lonegoming Podcast
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and this is episode number two hundred and fifty seven. That's right, folks.
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And before we get started, I just wanted to thank everybody out there
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who has listened and supported this show for almost ten years now. It's it's
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it's crazy to still be here doing this. It's crazy to still be finding
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new stuff to talk about. It's uh, it's just crazy all around.
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It's crazy to be uh presenting a lancer this year. It's it's it's crazy.
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Uh. You know, the format of the show will be changing coming
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up. We're gonna be trying something new and different. So yeah, exciting
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November, starting at the end the end of November, and see how it
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pods in years I mentioned Lancer already, and uh, you know we're creeping
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into November here, folks, And if you haven't already, you better book
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the flights now. Okay, my buddy Joe Borelli is going to be in
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Dallas representing the Longoman podcast people. Uh, Doug Campbell is going to be
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there, Fromino Savastano is going to be there, Chuck o'chelly is going to
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be there, Larry Hancock is going to be there. A plethora of other
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awesome researchers and dudes and ladies in general are going to be there. So
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if you haven't yet booked your flight, if your flights are full and you
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can't get on a flight, you better get your ass to the Greyhouse station
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and get you a bus, all right. Or if you if you have
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a lot of money and you really don't care how much you been, I
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mean, hell, just uber to Dallas from like Denver, you know,
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be like Sylvester s alone. Just hand the guy a big wad of money
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and say sit here and wait for you. You're my driver, now,
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you know type of thing. So all right, that's enough of that,
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enough of all, enough of the shenanigans. Let's get right down to business,
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all right. I came across a good bit of witness statements that I
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had previously. I won't say never, I'll say don't remember seeing. I
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see a lot and it's hard to remember everything, but certain things would stand
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out to me had I read them before. So a lot of these people
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that were going to be talking about today you might never even have even heard
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of before. Talking about eyewitness testimony, and we've talked at length on the
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show too, before we get in, this is my witness testimony. I
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got one thing I did find. You know, we always wondered how the
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police and the FBI knew so quickly after the assassination that Lee Oswald was staying
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at ten twenty six North Beckley, at that rooming house. Now, according
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to Arlene Roberts, there was police and FBI there a half an hour after
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Oswald left. This would be before he was even arrested at the Texas Theater.
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Folks, before they even got him downtown before they even got him into
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an interrogation room, before they even asked that ques question, if he even
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answered them truthfully. So, you know, had the events gone down like
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that, you know, you figure by the time they had arrested this man
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and got him down to the station and got him into an interrogation room,
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they would have to, you know, of course, get their ducks in
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a row first. They're not going to jump in the room with this guy
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right away. They're gonna make him sit there and wait. They're gonna come
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with a game plan about how they're going to address this individual and try to
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get information from it. So you know, you're looking at three o'clock at
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the earliest, right if it's if the source of the information is coming directly
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from Oswald, you know, they say different. They say they found out
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through Ruth Payne's address book and Irving. Well, that's a whole different story
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that we've gone into before. So I found a statement from one of the
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officers, W. E. Potts, officer number five seven six of the
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Dallas Police Department, and his report let's see, Yeah, his report about
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the events of November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, for him. This
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is according to W. E. Potts Folks. On Friday, November twenty
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second, nineteen sixty three, it was my day off. At one pm,
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I heard on the radio that the president had been shot. I called
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our office and talked to Detective TL. Baker, and he told me to
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get my ass in to work. No, he said, he told me
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to report for duty. So I arrived at our office at the Homicide and
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Robbery he Brew Bureau Bureau at two pm. After arriving at the office,
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I took an aphid David from Danny garcia Arse, who was a white male
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eighteen years of age and named mister Jack E. Doherty, who was a
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white male age forty. At least that's what I think it says. I
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don't know, I could be wrong, but that's what it appears to be.
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Both of these men are employees of the Texas School Book Depository. I
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was in the process of taking an AFID David from Doherty when the uniform officers
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brought in a white male they said had killed Officer J. D. Tippett.
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I later learned that the man the officers brought into our office was Lee
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Harvey Oswald. Mister Doherty and mister Arsay saw Oswald and told me that he
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was employed at the same place they were employed, the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
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It was about two forty pm when I finished taking affidavis from Doherty and Arsay.
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Captain Fritz told Detective Billy Sinkle and myself to go to ten twenty six
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North Beckley and search the room of Lee Oswald. All right, So he
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just wrapped up taking statements from Doherty and Arsey at two forty pm. So
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we tied these things up and then he says, Captain Fritz told Sinkle and
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myself to go to ten twenty six North Beckley and search the room with Lee
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Oswald. Lieutenant E. L. Cunningham went with Detective single in myself to
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this address. When we arrived at ten twenty six North Beckley, we contacted
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Missus Arline Roberts who's the landlady, and a Missus A. C. Johnson,
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who was the owner. This was at three pm November twenty second,
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nineteen sixty three. We checked the registration book for Alex Hadell or Lee Harvey
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Oswald and could not find neither of the name in the names in the book.
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The television was on and they showed a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald and
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Missus Johnson and Missus Roberts recognized a man as one of their rumors and said
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that he had registered there as O. H. Lee. They then directed
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me to his room, which was a small room just off the living room.
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We found that Lee Harvey Oswald had rented the room October fourteenth, nineteen
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sixty three and used the name O. H. Lee. We waited until
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the Justice of the Peace, David Johnston, Detective Turner, Detective Moore,
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and Da Bill Alexander arrived with a search warrant. This was about four thirty
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or five when the above named men arrived at ten twenty six North Thekley.
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We then proceeded to search the room of Lee Harvey Oswald or OH Lee.
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We recovered a City of Dallas map with several locations marked on it, a
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leather holster, a pair of binoculars, numerous letters addressed to Lee Harvey Oswald,
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several books and personal papers. We then brought all this property to Room
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three one seven at City Hall. On November twenty third, I reported to
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work at ten am and worked in the office answering telephone calls. I worked
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in the office until midnight. On November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three,
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Detective Turner and myself took a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald to four zero zero
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seven Flamingo Street in Mesquite, Texas, to the home of Ronald Fisher,
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White male twenty four. Mister Fisher's business address is the County Auditor's Office.
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He stated that the picture look like the person he saw looking out of a
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window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository a few minutes before
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the President's motorcade arrived at Elman Houston. He would not definitely say it was
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the man he saw, but he stated that it looked like him. On
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November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, at two point fifteen pm, Detective
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Cinco and I accompanied a show up consisting of John Thurman Horne, David Knapp,
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Lee Harvey Oswald, and daniel Lehan from the jail office to the show
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up room. Still on the stage during the show up and codhere Detective Lavelle's
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voice, who was conducting the show up. I cannot see lavel through the
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black screen. After the show up, Detective Cinko and I took the four
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above mentioned person to the jail office elevator and waited until they were safely on
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the elevator before leaving. And we'll get more into Ronald Fisher right here as
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we go on. But so interesting how the quote unquote official story goes down
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that they didn't take anything out of the Harvey Oswall's room until five o'clock,
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which, by some accounts is total horseship. So let's move on to some
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eyewitness testimony, shall we, And here we go. Missus Tony Ruby Henderson
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furnished the following information on December sixth, nineteen sixty three. This is an
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FBI memorandum. On November twenty second, at approximately twelve fifteen pm, he
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was standing on the east side of Elm Street, just north of Houston,
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awaiting and passing of the President's motor cake. She said. Shortly after she
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arrived at this location, and just prior to the arrival of the motorcade,
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she recalls an ambulam an ambulance arriving and departing the area to pick up an
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individual whom she understood had had an epileptic fit. Missus Henderson said after the
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ambulance departed the area, she heard a woman in the record building located on
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the southwest corner of Elman Houston. Yell Yeah Woodman, which is a Dallas
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High school, and she looked in the direction from which the yell emanated.
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She said she thereafter swung around and looked in the building in which she works,
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the building located on the southeast corner of Elman Houston, and thence around
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to the Texas school Book Depository building. She said she observed numerous people on
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very floors looking out of the windows of the Texas school Book Depository building.
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She recalls that she saw two men on one of the upper floors of the
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building. She said she recalls one of the men had on a white shirt
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and one had on a dark shirt. She said she only observed these men
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from the waist up and does not know what their other attire consisted of.
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She said these men were standing back from the window, and she got the
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impression they were working and yet looking out the window in anticipation of the motorcade
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passing the building. She said she saw these men before the motorcade reached Houston
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and Elm, but doesn't have any idea how long it was prior to the
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motorcade arriving at that location. She said she believes the person in the white
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shirt and dark hair was possibly a Mexican, but could have been a light
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skinned Negro, as he appeared to be dark inflectioned, if that makes any
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sense whatsoever. She said she couldn't describe the other person other than the fact
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that he was taller than the aforementioned individual. Missus Henderson said at the time
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the motorcade passed where she was standing, she heard what she initially thought was
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a firecracker and saw what she thought was paper fly out of the presidential car.
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She said she now realized it was a shot she had heard, and
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what she thought was paper was probably flesh. She said after the first shot,
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she believed she heard two more in rapid succession, and then folks a
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fourth shot. Missus Henderson said after the shooting she stood transfixed in a daze
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for some time before returning to work. She said she returned to her place
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of employment at about twelve forty three pm. Missus Henderson said she became extremely
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upset and nervous after the president's assassination and it was necessary for her to take
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the following Monday off her job. Said she hesitated to mention anything about her
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observations, but felt she should relate same as they might possibly be of some
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benefit. Missus Henderson reiterated she could not definitely state one of the men she
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saw in the window of the Texas School Depository was not a Negro. She
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said she does not know what floor of the building the men were on,
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but doesn't recall seeing anyone on a floor higher up than the one they were
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on. Missus Ruby Henderson Folks. Robert Edwards, an employee of the Dallas
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County Auditor's Office, Dallas County Records Building, Dallas, Texas, lots of
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Dallas there, advised as follows. This is on December second, nineteen sixty
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three FBI memorandum that he, along with other employees of the Auditor's Office,
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had been permitted to leave work early on the twenty second in order to eat
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lunch and view the presidential motorcade. He said he ate lunch around eleven thirty
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and just before twelve went to the northeast corner of Maine and Houston. There
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he met a fellow employee, Ronald Fisher, by pre arrangement that means that
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they had talked about meeting there before they actually met there. Funny how that
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works. Shortly after he arrived there, he and Fisher went to the corner
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of Houston and Elm Streets for a better viewing position. It was at this
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time they were facing the Texas school Book Depository building. He arrived at this
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point about two or three minutes before the motorcade appeared. Just after arriving there,
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he saw a man on the of the above mentioned building who was apparently
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standing so he could be seen in the corner window. He described his person
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as a white man wearing a light colored sports shirt open at the neck and
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having short light sandy hair. Short light sandy hair. Now does that sound
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like Lee Oswald to you, folks? Yeah? Mean. He did not
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recognize this individual, and he mentioned Fisher how unusual was this man would be
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up in the window, and he wondered what he was doing up there.
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He did not see a gun, and his attention was diverted from this man
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when the president drove by. Shortly after President Kennedy's card passed his position,
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he heard shots which he thought were three or four. Again, here's the
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four in very rapid sequence, and because of the confusion, he did not
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look again for the individual. He had previously seen in the window on the
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sixth floor. He had no idea to where the shots had come from,
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and the person he had seen in the window previous to the shooting was visible
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only from the lower neck line up, and he was apparently standing between boxes
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which could be seen from the street. Lee Harvey Oswald's photograph was exhibited to
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Edwards, and he could not be sure this was a photograph of the same
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person he had seen in the window as above. He did not know Lee
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Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby by name, description or photograph. Mister Kleemann Earl
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Johnson of Kleeberg, Texas was interviewed five hundred SHELLT. Houston Street, near
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Herrington, Dallas, Texas, and on March to eighteenth tied nineteen and sixty
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four. He furnished to following information and this is an FBI memorandum put together
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by Thomas Tretis and the EJ. Robertson. Mister Johnson stated that he was
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employed as a machinist for the Union Terminal Company at five hundred South Houston Street
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in Dallas, and was so employed on November twenty second, nineteen and sixty
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three. On this date he took up a position on the Elm Street Viaduct
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overlooking the route taken by the presidential motikade on that date. Mister Johnson stated
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his attention was attracted to the motorcycle or as Court and the automobile carrying the
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President, Derrek Kennedy, as this section of the motorcade came into his view.
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Here, he stated he first realized something was wrong when the motorcycles began
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moving from their regular course, and at or just before this, he heard
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sounds that could have been shots that could have they could have been Mister Johnson
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stated that at the time he did not know that it was shots, and
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he could not say how many shots he heard. His attention remained on the
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vehicle carrying from President Kennedy, and he observed this car until it's been a
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way. Mister Johnson stated that white smoke, some white smoke was observed near
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the pavilion there, but he felt that this smoke had come from an abandoned
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motorcycle near the spot by a Dallas policeman. Mister Johnson stated that he did
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not know nobody named Lee Harvey Oswald, and he had never met or seen
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Jack Rubin neither and that was mister cleman Earl Johnson of Kleeberg, Texas.
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Now all right, this is the Cecil Small allegation. So you've heard it,
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some of you haven't, so we're gonna go over again real quickly.
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Here. Now this is from an This is from a FBI usd OJ communication
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in nineteen sixty seven a teletype. Small advised he was proceeding in the direction
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of downtown Dallas on Fort Worth Avenue. I was approaching the intersection of Houston
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Street and fort Worth Avenue when he observed Missus Jacqueline Kennedy stand up in the
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automobile. At about this time, he saw a man running across the grass
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from the wall on Houston Street, and the man ran directly in front of
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Small's truck, requiring Small to apply his brakes. Also, two women at
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this time crossed in front of Small's truck, and the man and the two
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women all proceeded to a brown station wagon parked on Houston Street. The oldest
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of the women stumbled and fell shortly before she got to the station wagon.
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All three appeared to be Cuban or Mexican. The man was carrying a rifle
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wrapped in paper with a sign approximately one and one half feet square, tied
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to the end of the rifle barrel. Small maintained he was positive that this
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was a rifle because he could see the scope attached to it. I wonder
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what the sign said, Hello, this is a rifle. It has a
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scope on it. R Cuban, have a great day. Small preceded ten
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or fifteen blocks down Fort Worth Avenue to the Western Auto Store. It was
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at this time there was a newsflash the TV setting from the store that the
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President had been shot. The store clerk informed Small where the shooting occurred,
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and Small concluded at this point that the man he saw who passed in front
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of his truck carrying the rifle must have been the assassin. Small then proceeded
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to another store and thereafter was directed to an autopart store in Oakcliff. He
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passed by the He passed by the Texas Book Depository building on Elm Street,
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and approximately one and one a half miles from the Depository building that a clover
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leaf intersection picked up a man walking who he subsequently realized the next day,
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My god, it was Lee Harvey Oswalt Folks. Lee Harvey Oswalt. Small
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state at Oswald could not have assassinated the president because, in his opinion,
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he would not have had sufficient time to have assassinated the president, and walked
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to the Cloverleaf intersection where he was picked up by Small. Small carried this
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man to the Oak Cliff section and let him out on tenth Street, other
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street name unknown. Small stated after parking his truck, he walked back down
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the street, and while walking down the street carrying a connecting rod in his
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hand, a man yelled at him, which he believed to have been the
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same man that was on CBS's TV program June twenty seventh, last ri the
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Warrant Report and was operator of a used car lot who testified he observed Oswald
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walking down the street with a pistol in his hand and yelled at Oswald.
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Small thereafter proceeded to Irving to pick up his wife, who was employed at
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the Maywood Manufacturing Company. He observed a large crowd of people and building,
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and when he reached the crowd he was at Parkland Hospital. He saw standing
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in the crowd the man and two women who appeared to be Cuban or Mexican,
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who had previously crossed in front of his truck while he was on Fort
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Worth Avenue. He asked the older woman, who had a bruised leg,
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now and she had hurt herself when she fell over town. The older woman
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turned and said something in a foreign language to the young girl, who in
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turn spoke to the Cuban woman. They thereafter departed from the crowd. It
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was about this time Small observed President Kennedy's body being removed in a casket.
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When I asked why I did not tell someone about the Cuban man and two
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women if he believed they were responsible for the assassination, particularly when he again
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observed them at Parkland Hospital, he replied, I guess I was in a
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daze. He was in something and probably on something what we call here in
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Virginia good shit. Yeah. He stated he had not previously divulged this information
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to anyone because while in Dallas, he was afraid to furnish any info,
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and he does not know how, and he does not now desire to receive
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any publicity or become involved. However, he is of the opinion that Oswald
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did not kill Kennedy, but that the man who ran in front of his
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truck was the assassin. The questioning of Small and his wife revealed that Small
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has suffered seizures all his life and that he has had several severe quote seizures
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the past several years and is extremely nervous individual. It was obvious to interviewing
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agents that's Small on occasion became extremely nervous. They stated Small as being treated
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by doctor Wilson in Boone North in Boone, North Carolina, and that he
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has been examined by a doctor in Asheville, North Carolina. He has attempted
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to obtain disability benefits from Social Security, but was denied on July sixty six.
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They both advised Small unable to work because of these quote seizures in which
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he loses consciousness and when he regains consciousness, acts like a drunk man in
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that he is unable to recall things. Small admitted he has read all the
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newspapers which he still possesses, of the events concerning the assassination and watched the
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CBS report four nights. Small admitted on numerous occasions he is unable to sleep
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for thinking of the events in Dallas and merely sits in the trailer and smokes
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cigarettes, jacks off and drinks coffee, which one did I add there,
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You'll never know. Missus Small advised. She wrote letters to Missus Jacqueline Kennedy
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January last, informing Missus Kennedy she and her husband were in Dallas when the
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president was shot and mister Small was going in the opposite direction on another street
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at the time of the assassination, and it has some info as to who
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may have shot the president. They have not heard back from Missus Kennedy to
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this date. Missus Small stated that she was working at the Maywood Manufacturing Company
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between Dallas and Irving November twenty two, sixty three and did not get off
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work until four thirty that day. If she did state that, on a
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morning November twenty three, sixty three, when her husband first saw Oswald's photo
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in Dallas newspaper, he made the remark that that is the mand that I
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picked up and took to oak Cliffe or worked to that effect. Right,
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what are we to believe about that, folks? I have no idea,
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no clue. Hum, I don't know why I kept this. Maybe it
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was for maybe it's for comic relief here so h this is an FBI Western
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Union telegram and it was to mister J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI from
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a Missus Edith for Tado in Granada, California. Her Western Union telegram to
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j. Edgar Hoover stated, thus, I would like to know the true
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circumstance it is regarding John F. Kennedy's death. Sincerely his Edith for Tado
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Blah blah, Granada, California. Don't we all, Edith? Don't we
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all? I wondered if old Jay edguy have her answer that doubt all all
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right? Next up FBI doc from March twenty seven, sixty seven. Mister
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Milton Hallmark on Michigan Avenue, Dallas, Texas reported caliphonically to the Dallas FBI
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office, that is mama. This is Ruth Hallmark, who resides with him
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at the aforemation they address possess pertinent information on the above caption matter. Mister
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Hallmark stated that his mama had formerly worked in the building across the street from
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the school book depository, and he said that in the past he had heard
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his mama make the statement that she had seen Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby
35:59
together in the building in which she had been employed. On November twenty first,
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nineteen sixty three, that's the day before the assassination folks. She stated
36:09
that she was employed by the Miller Randazzo Company at the old dal Text Building
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five oh one Elm Street at the time of the assassination. She stated that
36:22
she recalled on November twenty first that four men who were all strangers to her
36:27
and none of whom who were employees of the Miller ran Dazzo Company, came
36:30
to the third floor offices of this company. She stated that these men were
36:36
not together, all four arriving at different times during the day. Miss Hallmark
36:42
stated that one of these men resembled the Harvey Oswald and another resembled Jack Ruby.
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The man who resembled Oswald asked one of the employees if he could use
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the telephone, but then before he even had a chance to use it,
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he just turned around and left the office without saying a word. Missus Hallmark
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stated that she definitely could not say that either of these men were Lee,
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Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby. She stated that the other two men did not
37:09
resemble anybody whom she had ever seen before or since. She described the man
37:16
who resembled Oswald as a white male approximately thirty five foot ten, slender build,
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dark hair, dressed in a sports shirt and slacks. She described the
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man who resembled Jack Ruby as a white man five ten to five eleven,
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heavy build, brown hair, and dressed in a business suit. Missus Hallmark
37:36
stated she could recall no descriptive data on the other two men whom she saw
37:38
on this day. Now, she goes on to say how she noticed the
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resemblance of these two men after they came out on the news and in newspapers.
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But that's not all. So she stated that on November twenty second,
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she was looking out the third floor window of her office to watch the motor
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Cave pass by, and she heard three shots, and she stated she immediately
38:08
knew that these were gun shots and not backfires, and on hearing the first
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shots, she stated she looked up towards the school book depository and saw smoke
38:19
in the area of one of the upper floors of this building. She stated
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she saw no persons inside the building in the area of the smoke. Missus
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Hallmark added that the window she was looking out of faced Elma Street, and
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it was necessary for her to push all the way through to her giant booty
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very far out the window to see exactly what she did. She said,
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after the first gun shot, there was a lapse of time, and then
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there were two additional shots, one right after the other. She knew President
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Kennedy had been hit by one of the bullets as she saw blood, and
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she also saw Governor Connolly slumped over into the seat of the automobile. Missus
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Hallmark stated that she saw or that the smoke she saw in the area of
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the Texas school Book Depository was right next to that building and was at least
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at least one floor higher than the floor in which she was standing. She
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was on the third floor of the old John Deere building and estimated that smoke
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she saw came from the fourth, fifth, or sixth floor of the Texas
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school Book Depository building. And it was at this point that Missus Hallmark's son,
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Miltan Milton came into the room and interrupted to tell the interviewing agent that
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approximately three to four evenings ago, he telephoned the district Attorney Jim Garrison,
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then let him know that his mama had seen all this stuff and they were
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awaiting a callback from Jim Garrison. Now. Missus Hallmark stated that one of
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her friends A Thelma Merycal worked with her at the time, and they had
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talked about this stuff at the time, talked about the strangers, talked about
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them looking like Lee RV. Oswald and Jack Ruby. So the FBI went
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and interviewed Missus merrical and she stated that she did not recall seeing any strange
40:19
men on the third floor of the Miller Randazzo building or company on November twenty
40:23
first, sixty three. She said she did not know anyone who looked like
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either Oswald or Ruby, and stated she had never discussed any such matter with
40:32
Missus Hallmark. She stated that Missus Hallmark was a coworker of hers and merely
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an acquaintance, but not close friends. It was Missus Merrichal's opinion that Hallmark
40:44
is mistaken as to the fact that she discussed anything regarding the assassination with her.
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Missus Merrichal added that she did not know of any employees of the Miller
40:53
Randazzo Company who had discussed noting any resemblance of the two strange men, Lee
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Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. So did Melton's mommy see anything that day or
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she full of shit? Funes, I don't know Melton Milton, and get
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in here and bring my dessus boy, and a cup of tea hot tea.
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Earl Gray, you son of a bitch, better not be no cam
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ameal Milton. On January fifteenth, nineteen sixty four, J. Edgar Hoover,
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the Director of the FBI, sent out an Airtel to the special Agent
41:39
in charge of the Dallas Division of the FBI because he thought they might have
41:46
a potential problem relating to the alleged observations of Richard Randolph Clark. The purpose
41:59
of submitting a letter head memorandum in this matter is not clear. It would
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appear this inquiry should be handled as a regular investigative development under the above caption,
42:07
and not under the caption of the reference to Airtel. Prior to considering
42:13
this matter resolved, the allegations made by Cars should be specifically repudiated. It
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is noted one of the original allegations is that Car stated that Oswald did not
42:23
assassinate the president, and that he and four or five of the other steel
42:27
workers witnessed the assassination, and presumably they could substantiate the Car statements. Cars
42:35
should be recontacted at an appropriate signed statement taken regarding his observations. He should
42:42
be confronted with the inconsistencies noted, particularly those based on personal observation by Dallas
42:47
agents. You should also be alert to any violation of Title eighteen of the
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US Code, Section one thousand and one. So if Richard Randolph Carr is
43:05
telling the truth, apparently jaegrew who said, Now, we can't have that
43:13
guy saying what he's saying. All right? Next up, mister Hank the
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tank Farmer, in care of missus Dorothy Martin above address advice. He is
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a service station attendant at the Rock Station on Singleton Street in Dallas, Texas.
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This is an FBI memorandum dated December the fourteen, sixty three. Okay,
43:46
mister Hank the tank Farmer advised. On the twenty second of November sixty
43:52
three, at approximately twelve fifteen, he arrived at the Dallas County Courthouse to
43:58
pay his damn taxes. Ah. He was unaware that there was to be
44:04
a presidential motorcade passing by at this time. He noticed the crowd and heard
44:08
someone say that the president is coming. No, it wasn't Marilyn Monroe.
44:20
He waited in the park at the corner of Houston and Elm Street, and
44:22
watched the motorcade come west off Main Street onto Houston Street, and then west
44:28
on Elm. He stated he saw Kennedy appear to fall over in the car,
44:32
and then he saw Governor Connolly also appear to fall over. He did
44:37
not hear any shots fired and did not know what happened, and there was
44:42
confusion with many people running in all directions, and then the President's car drove
44:47
off at a high rate of speed. Farmer stated that he did not know
44:54
what happened, but thought that both men had been shot. However, he
45:00
he did not hear any shots. He stated he has no further information to
45:04
furnish on the shooting, so he then returned home. He does not know
45:07
Lee rb Oswald and has never seen him other than on television. He also
45:12
does not know Jack Ruby and only saw him on television. So thanks Hank
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the Tank. Various stude observations, but apparently Hank the Tank was a busy
45:30
man, shall we say now? This memorandum is dated eleven twenty three sixty
45:40
three, which is the day after the assassination. It states this at eight
45:46
fifty one am eleven twenty three sixty three, Missus Dorothy Martin. Right,
45:52
Remember we just read about mister Hank Farmer who is in the care of Missus
45:59
Dorothy Martin the above address on Toronto Street, which is Missus Dorothy Martin's address,
46:07
So that means mister Hank to Tank Farmer is staying with Dorothy Martin.
46:10
So advised that on the night of eleven, twenty two, sixty three,
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mister Hank the Tank Farmer was interviewed by the FBI and gave her address.
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She called the state that he had given this address merely because he did not
46:24
have another residential address to give. When questioned more closely, she advised that
46:30
she was not supposed to have anybody living with her at the Dallas Housing Authority
46:35
project, and as a consequence, did not want her address used for fear
46:37
of newspaper publicity. The aforementioned this for information, So she had Hank to
46:45
Tank Farmer staying with her. Apparently he was installing some pipe in Missus Martin's
46:55
residence. Wiggling back to November twenty second to sixty three for the original statement
47:05
of Hank the Tank Today at five point thirty six pm, Hank the Tank
47:09
Farmer twenty eight sixty two Toronto Street telephonically advised the Dallas FBI office that he
47:16
advised that he was standing on the southeast corner of Elman Houston at the time
47:21
when the President Kennedy was shot. He stated he saw Kennedy hit by the
47:24
bullet and felt that the bullet entered Kennedy's face. He stated he then saw
47:30
Governor Connelly shot and this shot entered Connolly's back. Farmer stated, therefore,
47:36
it is his opinion that the two shots were fired by two individuals from opposite
47:40
directions. And Farmer stated he wishes to speak to an agent while or within
47:45
the bureau and states he will not talk to the Dallas PD because he hates
47:51
them some bitches. Well, Hank the Tank. That's why, probably why
48:00
y'all have never heard of him before, because he states that the shots came
48:06
from different directions. Imagine that, hmm, Hank to tank. Maybe Hank
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to tank. Next up from the FBI office at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
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Ye, that's right, you heard me right, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
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November twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three. On the evening of November twenty second,
48:29
a mister Charles J. Schenker of Norman, Oklahoma, a bank examiner
48:34
employed by the Treasury Department, telephonically advised that he was in Dallas, Texas
48:39
on Wednesday, November twentieth, and on the evening of that date, at
48:43
a parking lot of the Adolphice Hotel in downtown Dallas. A parking attendant there
48:47
told him he knew some guy who was going to kill the president and Gona
48:52
Governor Connelly. The parking attendant said this person had been to Russia. No
48:58
further description of this was given, and on November twenty third, sixty three,
49:05
mister Shanker was interviewed and furnished the following science statement. I, Charles
49:12
J. Shanker, make the following voluntary statement to Donald Sloate and Harold Duncan,
49:17
who have identified themselves to me as special agents of the Federal Bureau of
49:22
Investigation the US Department of Justice. I know the information I furnished may be
49:28
used in a court of law. I am twenty eight years of age and
49:31
I reside at eight one seven East Lindsay, Norman, Oklahoma. I am
49:36
employed as a bank examiner by the Treasury Department. On Wednesday, November twentieth,
49:43
sixty three, I was at Dallas, Texas, in the company of
49:45
other bank examiners auditing the First National Bank of Dallas, Texas. On that
49:51
evening, a friend and I attended a show at the Theaterre Lounge in Dallas,
49:54
Texas. The Theaterre Lounge is located near the Adolphus Hotel. I sat
50:00
through three shows at the theater Lounge, and late in the evening I fell
50:05
ill as a result of several drinks I had. I left my friend in
50:09
the lounge and went to a restroom. Then, believing that fresh air would
50:14
help me, so I went outside. I intended to wait for my friend
50:17
at the car and returned to our quarters at the Four Farts Mote I mean,
50:23
I'm sorry, Four Winds Motel on Harry Hines Boulevard in Dallas. The
50:30
car was parked in the basement of the Adolphice Hotel. I waited there a
50:34
short while, and, still feeling ill, I inquired of a parking attendant
50:37
for the location of a restroom. I went to the restroom and the attendant
50:43
followed me in there and then offered to hold it for me. In the
50:47
restroom, the attendant engaged me in conversation, first commenting on the expected arrival
50:54
of President John F. Kennedy. He then said that there was a plot
50:58
to kill the president and Governor Connolly. When I expressed disbelief at this statement,
51:04
he continued by stating that he knew the person who was planning the act,
51:07
to my knowledge. The conversation with the intendant began with this remark,
51:12
you look like an intelligent fellow. If I tell you something, will you
51:15
believe it? When I replied that I did not know whether I would believe
51:19
it or not, he said that President Kennedy was coming to Dallas and that
51:22
he and the governor would be shot down. The attendant's words were, quote,
51:28
They're going to be shot down end quote. I told the attendant that
51:31
I thought he was crazy, and he replied that he knew the cat who
51:36
was going to do it, and this person did not like the way the
51:38
president was running the country. I then said to the attendant that if this
51:44
person did not like it here, he should leave. He then said he
51:50
has been to Russia and to Cuba and was not allowed to stay there.
51:54
I then asked the parking intendant to write down what he had just told me
51:58
or go to the police with me. He refused to do either one,
52:02
claiming that he could not write. He refused to name the person involved in
52:07
the above information. Seeing a stranger approaching, I asked the parking attendant to
52:13
relate the same information to him, but he refused to say say anything,
52:17
saying no, man, I didn't say anything about that. I had said
52:22
to the stranger that the parking attendant had information to the effect that Kennedy was
52:27
going to be assassinated. After the parking attendant denied this information to the stranger,
52:32
he the stranger suggested I go home and sleep it off and forget the
52:37
matter. After the stranger left, I inquired of the parking attendant that if
52:40
he knew this information, how did he know and how was he associated with
52:45
the information and the person who was to commit the act. The parking attendant
52:52
then refused to tell me how he knew. I then left the parking garage
52:57
and went to the Four Winds Motel by taxi. I did not recall the
53:00
above information until Friday, November twenty second, sixty three, when Kennedy was
53:07
killed. Upon hearing the news report of his death, the incident was recalled.
53:12
I read the above statement consisting of this and four other pages, and
53:15
the informant information contained therein is the truth, best to my knowledge and recollection,
53:22
Sincerely, Charles J. Shanker. Sounds like a legit guy, a
53:30
bank examiner and auditor working for the Treasury Department. He might have been a
53:34
little shit faced drunk, but you know, things happened. Things happened,
53:44
folks, So they found at the Adolficer told Garage at Texas established that artist
54:01
artist Ertist Rogers was the only employee with a scarrow's neck, as described by
54:07
Charles Shanker. Ertist Rogers three seven eighty five Pointer Street, Dallas, Texas,
54:15
a parking lot attendant at the Adolphice Hotel, advised and on November twenty
54:19
third, sixty three, or advised on the twenty third. Then on the
54:22
twentieth he worked his regular shift at the Adolphice parking lot, namely seven am
54:27
to seven pm, and then after working he proceeded directly to his residence at
54:31
the above address. Rogers stated that he had never engaged in any conversation with
54:37
anybody at any time concerning the possible assassination of President Kennedy. He denied having
54:44
a conversation with Charles Shanker and said he had never heard any talk by others
54:49
concerning the assassination of the president prior to the actual event. I don't know
54:52
nothing about nobody nothing. On November twenty fifth, Shanker was exhibited a photograph
55:00
of Ernest Rogers, a Negro male born April thirtieth, nineteen thirty six in
55:07
Marietta, Texas. Shanker stated he believed that Artis was the person with whom
55:12
he had a conversation on the late evening of November twentieth. He recalled the
55:15
person with whom he talked as being heavier and with a definite scar on his
55:20
neck or throat and a mustache. Mister Shankers stated he had started drinking beer
55:27
at about five or five thirty on November twentieth, and he had ten to
55:30
twelve beers during the evening until approximately midnight, and then he was drunk when
55:37
the incident with the parking attendant took place. He said he had nothing to
55:42
drink but beer during the evening. So who's telling the truth there? The
55:50
old Treasury Department Shanker or brother Ertis. The world will never know. Now
56:02
this one here is interesting, folks. Pay attention. January the ninth,
56:10
nineteen sixty four to the Director of the FBI, j Ed Gat Hoover from
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Specialrating in Charge Dallas, subject Lee Harvey Oswald regarding a telephone call from Inspector
56:28
James Malley to Jay Gordon Shanklin, Dallas. Assistant Chief of Police Charles Bachelor,
56:44
Dallas PB this date advised Vincent Drain that Inspector Sawyer of the Dallas PD
56:52
was one of the first officers to arrive at the scene of the School Book
56:57
Depository building at four in Elm Street. An unidentified individual told Inspector Sawyer that
57:06
he had seen an individual run from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of
57:12
President Kennedy, and that this individual was an unknown white male, approximately thirty
57:19
slender build five nine or five ten, one hundred and sixty five pounds,
57:23
carrying what looked to be a thirty six or some type of Winchester rifle.
57:31
Inspector Sawyer then contacted Dallas Police Sergeant G. D. Hensley, a radio
57:37
dispatcher, and this description was broadcast to all Dallas Police squad cars. Sawyer
57:45
did not get the individual's name and furnished the information. Of course, why
57:50
would he and from Affid Davids taking subsequently of individuals who were near the scene
57:57
at the time of the shooting. No identification has been made of the source
58:01
of this information. Interesting, and here's another one from previously unheard by me
58:15
files. This comes from Tom leather Berry, who is the president of the
58:22
Wilbert Vault Company of Texas. Now, this vault company did not make safes,
58:30
well, they kind of did, but they were for dead bodies in
58:35
which coffins where caskets were placed in them and buried. I'm talking about burial
58:42
vaults people. So this times from the Wilbert Vault Company of Texas, the
58:47
president of that company being Tom leather Berry. This letter is dated November twenty
59:00
sixth, nineteen sixty three, to the Agent in Charge FBI, Dallas,
59:07
Texas. Dear Sir, I herewith present my statement of a happening which may
59:13
or may not be important to your investigation of the tragic slaying of President Kennedy.
59:19
I will do my best to make it brief. On Friday, November
59:22
twenty second, sixty three, at four point fifty pm, I was standing
59:28
on the grass esplanade near the spot where President Kennedy was shot earlier in the
59:31
day. There were a number of people going and coming with very little or
59:37
no conversation. Whilst everyone seemed stunned over the assassination. There was, however,
59:44
one young man there was there who was full of good humor and a
59:51
wealth of information. He overheard me quietly asked another bystander whether the motorcade had
59:58
come straight out Elm or had turned left off Houston. He immediately attached himself
1:00:04
to me, all the while answering questions even before they entered my mind.
1:00:09
He had many theories regarding the shooting, and at first I considered him to
1:00:13
be just an alert, friendly young man. However, in only a few
1:00:17
minutes his conversation left me uncomfortable and, as I realized later, even suspicious.
1:00:24
Among other unsolicited information, he theorized why the killer had waited until the
1:00:30
car had turned off Houston before firing his shots. He talked much and showed
1:00:36
me where a bullet was supposed to have been dug out of the ground at
1:00:38
the corner of a concrete square at the curb side of the esplanade, and
1:00:43
as I took a polaroid picture of the spot, he noticed me lining it
1:00:46
up with the window of the building where the shots were supposed to have come
1:00:50
from. I'm a former US Marine and was doing this really without thinking about
1:00:55
it. And he started talking about the trajectory of the bullet and said,
1:01:00
I have a feeling that they had stood right here where we are standing now
1:01:05
and lined up the shooting beforehand. He went into a long discourse of how
1:01:10
easy it would be to figure out the shot by finding out the height of
1:01:15
the President, the height of the car seat, and all of this.
1:01:22
This boy told me he had watched the motorcade from the south Land Building,
1:01:27
and it bothered me that he was speculating as to why the President had stood
1:01:31
up in the car after it turned left off Houston in seconds before he was
1:01:37
shot. I still have not heard or read that this young man appeared to
1:01:45
be about twenty two to twenty five, slim, one hundred and thirty pounds,
1:01:52
possibly five ten. He had light hair, may have been dyed and
1:01:57
curled, and his right eye had a he looked to it. He wore
1:02:01
a light colored tweed suit with a small white flower in the lapel. He
1:02:07
had neither a prosperous nor a poor appearance. Later Friday evening, I told
1:02:12
my wife that the more I thought about it, the more I believe that
1:02:15
I should tell someone about this fellow. I first went to the Southland Hotel
1:02:20
and talked to the doorman and the hotel officer, learning that the boy I
1:02:23
had described to them had been in the lobby seven hours before with a bald
1:02:30
headed man who was quote popping off about the president and his death. They
1:02:36
said they had never seen him before. I then went to the Sheriff's department
1:02:39
and told them the same thing as we had written here, and was told
1:02:44
the Southland is a long ways from here, and besides, it was a
1:02:47
one man's job, and anyway, the investigation has been transferred to the city
1:02:52
and if you want to, you can go tell them about it. I
1:02:55
then went to the city municipal building and told the same story to a detective
1:03:00
who was as unimpressed as the man had been in the Sheriff's office. He
1:03:05
did take my name and room number at the Holiday Inn, but assured me
1:03:09
that it was just a one man show and that they have the man in
1:03:14
custody. Saturday night, I talked to the dormant at the south Lane Hotel
1:03:19
again and he said that he had seen that boy again and found out he
1:03:23
was in the hotel and he was a trainee of some sort with the Commonwealth
1:03:29
Life Insurance Company upstairs. He said that as far as he knew, the
1:03:32
police had not been around to check on him. I have just read in
1:03:37
the Monday Galveston Tribune that you have a Dallas map found in Harvey os Wall's
1:03:45
rooming house and at the intersection of Houston and Elm Streets, a line traces
1:03:51
the trajectory similar to that of the shot which took the life of the president.
1:03:57
The person I've described may turn out to be just an extravert with a
1:04:00
great deal of perception and imagination. However, I know that you people are
1:04:04
better able to decide than anyone else. I live at four seven eleven Sherman,
1:04:10
Galveston, Texas, Telephone Dot DA DA. Tom Leatherberry, president of
1:04:15
the Wilbert Vault Company of Texas, Houston. November twenty seventh, nineteen sixty
1:04:27
three FBI Memorandum Missus Billy Morse of two five three four West Fifth Street,
1:04:32
Irving, Texas following furnished the following information. Now for those of you paying
1:04:41
attention at home, Missus Billy Morse was part of the Cackling Hen Crew set
1:04:47
around while their husbands were at work in Irving, Texas, and drank tea
1:04:51
and gossips about all the bitches, along with Ruth Payne, Marina Oswald,
1:04:59
Lenny may Ram, so Forth, and so on. During the afternoon of
1:05:04
October twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three, she was visiting her cousin, missus
1:05:11
Allen Lewis, who was again part of the Cackling Hen Crew, and she
1:05:15
lived at twenty five or fourteen West Fis Street. Nerving at five thirty or
1:05:18
six, she recalled seeing a man sitting in a lawn chair across the street
1:05:24
with his hog out at twenty five fifteen West Fistrey. No, he didn't
1:05:30
have his hogout, folks. In fact, his nickname was Pinky. No,
1:05:35
I'm sorry, we're not there yet. Sorry. He was alone except
1:05:41
for several small children playing in the yard. She recalled that this man resembled
1:05:45
the photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, but it is not sure that he was
1:05:48
the same man. Upon viewing a photograph of Jack Ruby, that's right,
1:05:54
Pinky as he was known, she stated that she is not certain that she's
1:05:58
seen this man, but believes he may have I have been in Irving sometime
1:06:02
in the summer of sixty three when a man resembling his photograph came next door
1:06:08
to her house and picked up her neighbor, Bill Simmons, who was playing
1:06:13
in a combo in one of Ruby's nightclubs. This man may have been Ruby.
1:06:16
She is certain, however, that she has never seen Ruby and Oswald
1:06:21
together. Interesting, and that is true Bill Simmons, who lived or who
1:06:30
worked at the Karazl Club. I said believe it was the drummer lived right
1:06:35
across the street from Bruce Payne in Irving. Get that all right? January
1:06:48
tenth, sixty seven, William Blanton Acker of Auburn, Alabama, advised that
1:06:57
he had just finished reading an article regarding the assassination Center President Kennedy in the
1:07:01
January fourteenth issue of the Saturday Evening Post, and wished to furnish the following
1:07:05
information. In nineteen sixty three, he was in Miami, Florida, employed
1:07:12
at the Royal Castle number two, Flagler and Second, and met one Art
1:07:16
Silva. Silva at that time was living with one Phyllis last name unknown at
1:07:25
a small hotel across the street from Royal Castle Number two. They later moved
1:07:30
to an apartment in a court near Lejune Road in Eighth Street, which was
1:07:33
behind a fruit stand. One of their neighbors in the court, consisting of
1:07:38
about ten units, was one Roy last name unknown, who was living with
1:07:43
some woman name unrecalled in the court next door to Arts Roy. Art Graves,
1:07:51
by the way, according to Art, had several telescopic site rifles,
1:07:57
grenades, mortars, dynamite, etc. In his room. Also, Roy
1:08:02
had made a trip to Dallas, Texas in late November sixty three and was
1:08:08
reported by Art to have secret Service credentials. Roy was also associated with various
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Cuban resistance movements and was an ex marine. Acker notes thatt Acker notes that
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instant article he read says a policeman stopped a man in Dallas who showed secret
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service credentials. Aker says at a Christmas party in sixty three he was arguing
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with Roy and almost came to blows as Roy blamed former President Kennedy personally for
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the death of one of his close friends who was in the invasion at the
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Bay of Pigs. That, folks, is what you call very very interesting.
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Roy Hargrave's people, and this is from HCA November seven, seventy eight,
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an outside contact report with Linda Pits of Odessa, Texas. Interview reached
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at her father's home in Dallas, Texas. She recalled the following details during
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our conversation on the phone. Distinctly heard three shots, saw the president's head
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blow up like a watermelon. The latter remains vivid in her mind. While
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unable to determine the direction of the shots, she still has the impression the
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head trauma was the result of a front to rear shot. Advised further,
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she and her sister Rosemary were close to the curb, perhaps ten to fifteen
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feet, in order to get a good look at JFK. This had been
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considered to be quite the occasion. They were even excused from school to do
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so. After all, presidents didn't come to Dallas that often. Although they
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were close together, she didn't come into full view as Rosemary did, and
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finally she remembers the gunfire being rapid. No further details regarding the timings.
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George Davis nineteen sixty six, December ninth. This is an interview by uh
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Hollis Coombs McCombe. The Cooms after the President had been hit, you were
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telling me, Davis says, uh, and this is George A. Davis.
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By the way, I definitely saw the car stop just a little bit
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west of the steps leading down to the street, the westernmost steps, possibly
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one hundred feet from me. I saw missus Kennedy on the back seat with
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combs. Do you remember what mister missus, says Conley were doing. Davis.
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No, there was a commotion in the car, but mostly my eyes
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were glued on the president. So the man came up with a trench coat
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on with an automatic pistol on the north side of the car, near the
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rear of the car. McCombs. Do you remember what anybody else did,
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Davis? No. One policeman laid his motorcycle down in the street, and
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another one ran up the embankment on a motorcycle. McCombs. Do you remember
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what he did? No, McCombs, you were telling me about the skull
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yesterday, Davis. We went around the corner of the fence where they said
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the smoke came from, and just followed the crowd around raccoons. Someone said
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it was just jammed with cars, a brown station wagon with prints on it.
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Hey, didn't we talk about a brown station wagon earlier, m M
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Davis to hear anybody make a remark about anything like that. Mister Bowers would
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have seen a man with a gun of any kind standing there. He said,
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there was no human being on earth, or I'm sorry, there was
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no human being up on the north side of the fence. I think that
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pretty well clears that up raccoons. I think it does. While Shelley Katz
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and mister Davis and I were standing over the underpass, there was a sound
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like a rifle shot, a backfire or something. I immediately turned to Shelley
1:12:30
Katz and said, how many did you hear? He said three? I
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asked mister Davis, how many did you hear? Mister Davis said he heard
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three. So then we all agreed there was only one shot, but we
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heard two echoes, all three of us. Now, let's see it seemed
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to you these cars were traveling at about eighteen to twenty miles an hour.
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Davis. The scene is the same now as then, except the trees and
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shrubbery around Fencer bigger combs. Missus Davis said he saw the blood spurt right
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out and down the shirt. Now, after you came from behind fence,
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a uniformed officer Davis. He came around the fence and said, to me,
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look at this piece of skull bone I just picked up from the center
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of the street. And he handed it to me, and it was perfectly
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clear of blood, and I would say it was close to two inches long
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in about three quarters of an inch wide on one end and maybe an inch
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and a quarter on the other. But on one side of it you could
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definitely tell that it had great old debrain. You know how the inside of
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the skull is. It's a little cluster of little dark red circles. He
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handed it to me and I handed it back to him after I looked it
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over, and there was a plain clothesman who said, here, I'll take
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that, and he reached out and took it out of the policeman's hand.
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I don't know who he was. The policeman may have known him, but
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I didn't. He was a heavyset man, well dressed, as I remember
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it. He had something on like a trench coat. He put it in
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his pocket. He left, and I didn't watch where he went with it.
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McCombs were people talking and jabbering around you. By this time, Davis,
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there was quite a bit of excitement. People were in a real estate
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of shock. Didn't seem to say much, not much, said McCombs.
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Do you remember anything that was said by anyone? Davis, No, But
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I do know that mister Bowers, possibly under the instructions in orders when the
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police stopped all trains, no trains came in or left during that time.
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I think a policeman searched one train before it was left, to see that
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there was no one leaving on the trains or anything like that. I do
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know they held up train traffic there for quite a while. Davis talked with
1:14:49
him yesterday afternoon regarding any statement that mister Bowers may have made to him.
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Mister Bowers did not tell him directly that he didn't see anyone on the north
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side of the fence, but he did hear me Bowers say it talking to
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other people. There is the tower, but not the hymn. Combs.
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How long did smoke hang there? Was it still there until you ran around
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the fence? Davis? No, it was gone, and I'd say a
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minute minute and a half at most, and then there was nothing there.
1:15:21
Smoke was blueish, whitish smoke. And I examined the ground and looked around
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and saw no sign of spent cartridges there. When I went on the north
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side of the fence, the combs, So you saw no ejected shelves,
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Davis. No, When McCombs, when you'll get when y'all got around there,
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nobody was there in the corner, Davis. No, sir McCombs.
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Did you have any notion where the bullets were coming from? Davis? No,
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As I told you, from where I was standing, there was a
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tree limb that locked my view of the window where Oswald allegedly did the shootings
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from. Otherwise I believe I would have seen it because I've hunted squirrels and
1:16:08
things enough in the woods that if anything moves, I'll see it. If
1:16:12
a tiny baby roach crawls anywhere in the house, I'll see that thing.
1:16:16
I don't know what, but anything moving attracts my eye. I think that's
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the reason I didn't see Oswald coombs. Did you have any idea where the
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bullets were coming from? Did you assume where they were coming from? Davis?
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I never thought about that. Sounded like a cluster of medium sized firecrackers.
1:16:39
There were probably eight or nine concussions explosions. Whatever you want to call
1:16:43
it one shot, two or three echoes, another shot, two or three
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more echoes, another shot, two or three more echoes like we heard yesterday.
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And I don't think anyone standing on the overpass could have counted the shots.
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I have heard other men make the same statement. I think Luke Winborne
1:17:02
is one of them. Davis quote positive proof Oswald is the only gunman with
1:17:10
BOMs. P s. Shelley Katz took pictures of mister Davis dressed as he
1:17:15
was on that day of the assassination, standing in the same position he was
1:17:19
on the day of the assassination, and looking in the same direction. Also
1:17:25
Cats took furious close up pictures and character study pictures and placement pictures. Kats
1:17:34
has already sent them on to Ed Kern in New York. Davis' home number
1:17:39
is blank fourteen forty three North Beckley, Dallas, Texas, close to the
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Roomy House. And our last one for the day, Folks is from December
1:17:54
twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Some specialats in Harlan Brown's at three twenty
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pm on December twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Missus Mary Sue Brown of
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Singing Hills Boulevard, Dallas, Texas, requested that her identity be kept confidential,
1:18:15
stated that about three weeks ago, an individual named Richard Carr, who
1:18:19
resides on North Bishop Street and Dallas, had told her that Lee Harvey Oswald
1:18:24
had not assassinated President Kennedy. Carr is a friend of Missus Brown's sister,
1:18:30
Els Johnson, who resides at the same address as Missus Brown. A friend
1:18:35
named Holly Jordan also heard this individual make the statement concerning the fact that Oswald
1:18:41
did not assassinate the president. According to Missus Brown, Carr was making an
1:18:46
application for a job at a building who was under construction near the courthouse at
1:18:53
the time President Kennedy was assassinated. Carr told her and the others that he
1:18:58
was about five hundred yards in the place where the president was assassinated, and
1:19:02
he had seen the individual who had fired the gun from the school book depository
1:19:08
and that it was not Oswald. Now this is from five hundred yards away,
1:19:12
folks. You know how many football fields, that is, five football
1:19:17
fields laid end to end. But this guy was sure that it wasn't Lee
1:19:23
Harvey Oswald, who probably looked like an ant at that time. He said
1:19:30
that this individual had on a hat, horn rimmed glasses and was an athletic
1:19:34
build Carr told him that there was a Negro man with a gray colored car
1:19:42
waiting for this individual after the assassination, and that the man who did the
1:19:45
shooting got into this gray car. Lara told Missus Brown and the others that
1:19:51
there were four or five other steel workers on the building under construction near the
1:19:55
place where the president was assassinated that they could likewise corroborate his story. Carr
1:20:03
said that one of them had been interviewed already by the FBI. Missus Brown
1:20:09
believed that the building Car had reference to was the County building being constructed south
1:20:13
of the old Courthouse. Said the Car was sober at the time that he
1:20:17
made the statement, and although she did not know him well, he didn't
1:20:20
seem to be the Brackert type or to be joking when he told this story.
1:20:26
She said. The car is currently working on the new First National Bank
1:20:29
building in downtown Dallas, which is currently under construction. So very interesting stuff,
1:20:38
folks. That's gonna be all we get into this week. But I
1:20:43
think that's for one week anyway. So like I say, follow me on
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who was stalk on grown She's some many don't believe from what they tell you,
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