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Cody and Marshal from Hinder · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
• 0:11
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• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes stories can get harder and louder than life itself.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Today I enjoyed five two at two powerhouses on the rock to the team.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're diving into the evolution of third town.
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  SPEAKER_00: The real stories behind the music that's taken through in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: The brand new album Back to Life just released today, and we did the week talking about it.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mike.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta tell you something.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: Usually I do not start episodes with a mission statement, but I have a mission today.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was just telling the guys from Hinder that my policy on this show is to look through windshields and not rear view mirrors.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time this episode is over, this is the mission statement part, I want all of you to go check out Hinder's new album, Back to Life, that came out May of this year.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: We we're gonna talk a little bit about the history, but we're only gonna spend a minuscule of time on it.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about the here and now with my friends Cody and Marshall from Hinder.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: How the heck are you guys?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Doing awesome, man.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: How about yourself?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: Good, man.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I'm great.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm you know, this midwestern summer weather where it's like Seattle on one day, and then the next day I feel like I'm walking around the Mojave Desert, you know.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we know all about that.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Where where are you at?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you located?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys are in Oklahoma, right?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, right down the road.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's about the same.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's about it's a little bipolar, you know.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: One day it's like stormy weather and it's 60 degrees, and then the next it's 98 degrees and just boiling.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep, that's what that's what we're in for.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like our high was 76 today, and then the next two days it's gonna be 93, and I'm like, fuck that.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: But then again, it's like that's swimming pool weather, so you know.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and I gotta have it.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: It could be worse.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: We keep we keep having these like big cell, like you know, thunderstorms, and like before that's before all that shows up every day.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: It is the most humid, disgusting.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you go outside and you feel like you just got out of the shower.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do you guys do the Midwestern thing where you go out and sit in the garage with the garage door open while it's the absolute worst thunderstorm outside?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh hell yeah, dude.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's the best thing.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Garage beers, dude, man.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there we go.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: So you can holler out on I love it.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, guys, thank you so much for doing the podcast.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know you guys have a full plate.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've got a ton of awesome shows coming up.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: The summer of 99 festival with Creed, and you know, a new album.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, how does it feel to be moving forward with this new chapter of the band?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it's it's been pretty amazing, honestly, you know, uh, especially with the the reactions that we've been getting from the the new material.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it's always it's always scary to put out new music.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: You never know, you know, what the reaction's gonna be and how how people are gonna feel about it, but everything's been overwhelmingly positive, and uh that's really exciting for us, man.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's the whole reason we we write music is to you know for people to react to it in a positive way and and hopefully we can reach some more people.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's why we do it.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to recant what I just proclamated here, but let's rewind just a few moments.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: How did Hinder initially come together back in the early 2000s?
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  SPEAKER_00: Was there a moment where you knew that this was going to be something bigger than just a local band?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, uh, so I I met Blower in college and then uh just through mutual friends uh met our our former uh singer and then uh yeah, just uh I didn't even really want to be in a band uh when we met, if I was if I'm being honest, you know, we just kept doing that that whole like drunken thing at parties.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, dude, we should get together at gym sometime, you know?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: And we actually did it, and and I think, you know, that first day I felt like like, oh shit, you know, just smacked me in the face.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like this, this is something that could be really, really cool.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so my my mindset kind of shifted and and uh I started taking it seriously from that day forward, you know, kind of treated it as a business.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was going to school for marketing, and so uh for me, I was you know, that's kind of like a dream come true, right?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, so yeah, it was it was a lot of fun to to build it and uh and grow the thing.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did a lot of really cool things that I don't think most bands would have thought of, and uh we we did it and it worked.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think you and I share that similar kinship.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I started doing the rock band thing in the mid-90s and right around 2000, 2001, I really started taking it seriously.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: But my day job, I worked in the retail sector, and it's kind of weird the soft marketing skills you learn whenever it comes to like trying to build a draw for your band, get people to come out to shows when you're also like learning these other apparatuses, like you said in in college, where where you're learning how to market and learning how to promote and and get people interested in things.
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  SPEAKER_00: How has that influenced other avenues of your life?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's I mean, it's kind of everything, you know.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everything I do, that's kind of the the mindset, you know.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it's funny, you know, back in the early 2000s, that was a much easier job, you know, like the marketing part was I don't know, it was just it was very old school and very for me, it seemed very straightforward and simple.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, especially for like the live music part, you get you get women, you get females in the door, you're gonna get the dudes there too, right?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right, absolutely.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: We know that's how that works.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, we just we figured out how to do that.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think nowadays, man, with with social media, it's just so much harder.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so much harder to figure out and to to break through because everybody's doing the same things, right?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's harder to to, like I said, kind of break through the crowd.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: The back in those days, your algorithm was your bar interactions, where these days, like, you can spend hours and hours and hours and be like, how the fuck do I crack this Instagram algorithm or this TikTok algorithm so people are engaging with content?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I you know, I'm a podcaster and I shouldn't say that I fucking hate that, but I absolutely do because it's sucked all the glory of the art out of things and kind of what makes some of this fun.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and not only that, it was almost like if you worked harder than everybody else, you know, if you made all the flyers and you went and you stuck them on every windshield at every concert or every bar in town, you know, that's that's how you got to people.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Or you could go buy a spot on the radio or whatever it was, and and now, just like you said, I mean, I don't know the first fucking thing about TikTok's algorithm, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you aren't you supposed to do that?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like that that part of it is almost like less about the music, even more so, you know.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like back in the day, you know, you're running around with a you know, a disc with maybe like a five-song EP, and that was your you that was your your thing.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you were marketing, and people would listen to it and they'd be like, man, I like this band, I want to go see him, and it was that simple.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, now it's I don't know, half the social media stuff isn't even really about the music or the bands or whatever the hell's going on.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's about you know getting likes and getting in front of people's getting people's attention by other uh other things.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll make I'll make this quick, but here's a perfect example of this.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're always struggling to figure out like what that content is that's gonna catch, right?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: That algorithm thing.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, we we're not very good at it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, everything we do kind of just goes way over the line.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Shit that we think is funny is stuff that like offends everybody else.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: So we fail miserably.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: But so we're coming up and trying to make all this content.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: One day I make this like stupid little video where I like walk into a bedroom and take out like, and it's like what all husbands do as soon as their wife walks out the door or whatever, and it's pulling out a bottle of lotions, some tissues, and a bong, right?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'll be damned if that's not like our biggest post ever with like five over five million views, you know what I mean?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the stupidest shit works.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was simple and it was quick and effective, it wasn't overcomplicated, you know.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was it was brief.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sure it was Yeah, it sure was, but now I can't figure out how to do it again.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so you know, by the old industry standard of songwriting, you had to hit that hook of the song within the first 30 uh 30 seconds to a minute within the song.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you almost have to look at content in the same regard.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think the stat that I saw was to get people to stop scrolling, you have to have a hook in your video within the first six to ten seconds of somebody's scroll.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: That is absolutely fucking insane.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, that's why you see like these videos where somebody's like drilling into a muffler so they can build a flower garden because you're like the hook is is like, what the fuck are they doing drilling into that muffler?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: But oh, sorry, go ahead.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was just gonna say, and it's just fueling all of our like attention deficits.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's acerbating that problem.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: But also, man, like it's that's that shit's frustrating for for people like us because you know, like we got in into this for to be musicians, to be songwriters, you know what I mean?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe even branching out and and being producers or whatever, but like I didn't sign up to be some fucking TikTok influencer.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was a social media clown.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Dance monkey, he daddy, like, yeah.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I will tell you, that is that is the that is the hardest struggle I have as a podcaster because everything in the podcast space is so social media dependent, you know, whether you're sharing clips, you're promoting an episode, or something along those lines.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that music is too far a away from that.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, it's like, you know, whenever I'm talking to people, it's like, okay, yeah, I I'm I'm a content creator, but I'm not a content creator, if that makes sense.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, totally.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: So well, we kind of got to the beginning, how the band was formed.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: As everybody knows, your song Lips of an Angel was a monster hit.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: For you, Cody, what was life like during that whirlwind?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Did the success kind of feel like it happened overnight, or was it a slow build?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, it happened really fast.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was like we were out on the road in support of Get Stoned.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we were uh, you know, once I mean that was already kind of doing its thing.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And to and to us, that was a really, really big deal.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, that song got all the way up to number two at Rock Radio, and uh that was already beyond our you know wildest dreams, right?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we we got on the nickelback tour and we were out out doing arenas with them, and then lips hit, and holy shit, man, things just changed just like that.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, especially once that thing took over at like top started crossing genres, right?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Took over at top 40.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it was just I don't know.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't even remember half of it, if I'm being perfectly honest, because everything's just happening happening so fast and a lot of, yeah, I was gonna say a lot of booze, man.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's kind of how we how we dealt with it with being gone.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: We were missing at that point.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: We'd already been out in support of a single.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it was like, oh yeah, none of that matters anymore because this thing just took off, took a whole new life, you know what I mean?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, it was it was it was crazy, wild times for sure, but uh totally worth it, obviously.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I I I bring that up because we just got done going on a tangent about content creation, but you guys had a ginormous single drop during the era of MySpace blowing up and the initial era of social media blowing up, and that changed the industry in so many different ways from so many different directions.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Marshall, you joined the band in 2015.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um what was it like walking into a project that had that storied history with such a big single?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was terrifying at first a little bit, but uh uh no, actually though, you know, I'd been really uh friendly with these guys leading up to that since going all the way back to 2005 or six, is that when we we had we had done a lot of touring together.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was in another band um at the time, and that's how we met.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: We were like both baby bands, we just got record deals, and we did a lot of touring together.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I got to know these guys, and then you know, over the course of those next few years, um, you know, pr particularly after Take It to the Limit and the uh the the pre-production process that was happening with Hinder um between that record and All American Nightmare, uh I spent a lot of time out on the road with them and Cody and I had started doing some production together.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so I was already very, very well like oriented with the band.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I knew everyone.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'd been around, I'd been on multiple tours with the band, you know, just kind of recording in the back lounge.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't like having to get to know a whole, I was already kind of part of the family anyway.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that that part of it was really easy.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now taking over as a front man and being a singer, that was pretty terrifying.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was just I was convinced it was just gonna be tomatoes for me, you know.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it wasn't though I was like, I guess I don't think this is a good idea.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, man.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: It it it seems like it's gone pretty damn swimmingly.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's been it's been one of the it's been I'll see the coolest thing I've ever done in my life.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've it's that just uh being able to jump into that role, come especially coming from, you know, I I was always kind of a singer growing up and never really a front man.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: And most of the time I had a guitar on, or I was like B singing, you know, I was like the B singer, I would do some courses or mostly harmonies, and so stepping into that role was just like uh it was fascinating, terrifying and fascinating, and also wonderful and fulfilling and uh you know just I don't know, just all the things that you would want out of a really strong challenge, but also just a I don't know, just a wonderful experience.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean there's there's something about being the front as long as your voice is working now, right?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you if you've got your shit together, it's one of the coolest places to be, you know, in a band, and I had never really fully experienced that.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I just I just uh I fell in love with the role despite you know the the difficulties of being, you know, having to do that night after night.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a it's a pretty big learning curve, you know, to go from you know being a guitar player to you just kind of sing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can you can drink and do whatever the hell you want every night and you'll still be able to get the job done.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, you you kind of got to walk a much more narrow line as a vocalist.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: So that was that was a lot a hard adjustment.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's still a hard adjustment for me.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I still deal with that, you know, because everybody is always now, let's go have some beers, and you know, it's like I'm like, I can't, not now.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting old.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: We don't recover quite as well as we used to as the years go by.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I spent some time with your new record over the weekend.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Back to Life.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: It really does feel like a Phoenix rising type of album.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I I I know you guys have you guys have released a lot of material with uh Marshall at the helm.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about how your songwriting has evolved over the years, particularly from 2015 on.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're done talking about the past, fellas.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're gonna we're gonna talk about the here and now.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about how your songwriting has evolved over the last 10 years and how has your inspiration or process shifted as you've grown personally and musically?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that the the process is any any different.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we don't really have like a uh a set process that we that we use.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so it's always different depending on the situation.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, I think the the one thing that felt a little different about this one is that we were uh a little less concerned with what everybody else thinks that we are as a band, you know.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we had we had written a bunch of material over a pretty long period of time that we were able to go and kind of comb through and and and pull out and kind of rework.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that that definitely was uh beneficial for us on this record.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a lot of material that that had been written for a long time, and that was that was pretty cool.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like I said, we we didn't really go into it trying to be something where I think um, you know, certainly on the last record with the rain, um, you know, we were we were trying to to make it a little more heavy, a little more dark.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and we were I think kind of worried about just being that that rock band, you know what I mean?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Where yeah, now on this album, I think we were just worried about the songs make writing and recording the best songs that we you know that we could do.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I think it paid off, man.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really I'm really happy with it.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very, very proud of it.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, it seems like the reaction has uh has been amazing.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think there is a you know, if if we were gonna shit all over the downfalls of social media, let's talk some positivity here.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think the thing is is that society is more beholden to a sense of authenticity, and when you start writing music for yourself, the audience can see that.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like that that's what you guys did with this record.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I it this this record to me feels like where we are as a band right now.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I I've told this a million times uh in interviews lately, but um, you know, we had actually written an entire written and recorded an entire record uh before this one, what it was like 2021, 20, 20, 21, 19, yeah, I don't know, 19 or 18 or something like that.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: I can't really remember.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was in between.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: My brain doesn't work.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: When was the rank?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: 17?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was probably 2020.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so anyway, um, you know, we we had this idea that we were going to do a record that was really similar to the first album, you know, that kind of had that vibe.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh once we got it done, yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess it had that vibe, but it didn't feel like us, you know, it didn't feel like who we are now.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it didn't feel authentic to me, you know.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: It just kind of felt like we were trying to be it felt dated, you know.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: It really did.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: It just made us sound not I don't know, like we had not progressed as a band.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: So, or at least with the sound starting from when I kind of joined the band, it just it seemed like a regression instead of a you know moving forward.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I we just did we shelved it.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Stuck it on the hard drive where it belongs.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now did you retool any of that material for this new album?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I don't think we did.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we retooled any song off that that particular.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: record and I mean it was like a it was like a 10 to 12 song record and I think I think every single song is just still still on the shelf.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: There were a couple songs that we had written at least a couple I'd have to think about it but um songs that we had written for a side project that we were doing um back in the day um before Marshall ruined it um it's gonna yeah never gonna let that go I got that that Marshall from that band is a total asshole he swears I quit dangerous but I I never did we just said we just kind of had COVID you know just like we got busy and I just I didn't really quit.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you're you're like he quit he left me you're like he left me you're like Eddie Van Halen to me calling up Sammy Hager like why'd you quit and be like motherfucker I didn't quit well anyway it was uh you know that that project was kind of more like an alternative project and so it was um you know we pulled some songs from that you know that were kind of alternative sounding and uh turned them turned them back into to rock songs into hinder songs and um yeah that was a challenging thing and and uh but it was really cool and re rewarding at the same time you know that cookie jar still got a lot of cookies in it too man there's likes a song there's some other songs to be pulled out of all that stuff we did when we were doing the dangerous hippies bit that because we didn't release like a lot of it yeah that's that's amazing are you guys both the type that are just always writing not as much as we used to uh we used to I mean I mean a few years ago we were we were here every day you know writing and recording and uh yeah I mean now I I think especially now through you know the album cycle since that started you know we just really haven't had time you know we've we're playing shows like if we're not actually on a tour we're playing shows every single weekend so um yeah it's it's been very very busy.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's easy because like you know we we don't we're not as aggressive like like could he say we like when back in the day when we were out we were always like riding on the bus and everything and now we're just everybody's like man I just want to make it through the day you know I don't want to have extra stuff to do or put any extra pressure because we're just older and more tired really is the the the honest answer is like when we were you know when I when he and I first started producing together we we could easily do like 14 to 16 hour days in the studio and we could turn around and do it again and again and again and now it's just it's just really hard to do that.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know we're like we we can we can get a good a good six hours of work in or something or eight hours of work but man just doing those doing those grinds to just constantly be cranking on material is I don't I think it becomes less productive because we just we don't enjoy that kind of like workload I guess anymore.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah absolutely that that makes a lot of sense I was just talking just a couple of weeks ago with uh Nick Hexham from 311 and we were talking about combating writer's block sometimes and like overthinking the creative process and how sometimes you could overthink it and overwork it to the point where you just render render your creativity completely obsolete that sometimes the best thing you can do is just walk away from it for a while and like what's a good example of something of a time where you guys have had to do that like walk away from something and then come back to it later well I think I think we kind of did that on like right before this record like we we didn't know what we were doing.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: We were kind of aimless and when we got around to the idea like okay we have to do another record like or we want to do another record but we we also need to you know it's time it's been it's been a while and so it was challenging at like at first because we were like what are we gonna write about and that's kind of how bring me back to life came about it was it kind of got it we kickstarted it with that song we were sitting around one day like what what are we gonna say that's gonna mean something to anyone and so we were we were just kind of just decided to write a song about the lack of inspiration and just wanting to get it back.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know it's just wishing somebody could you know make you feel young make you want to fight make you want to be sad make you want to be happy just make you feel something you know and that and that song kind of kickstarted it and I don't know something about that song just invigorated the writing process and was really inspiring.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so we it kind of kind of gave us the kick that we needed to to you know get the get the ball rolling.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of a oh shit we actually remember how to do this we actually can write songs and record them.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so it was it was a good moment for sure it was exciting that's amazing to answer your question more specifically though I think like these days I just kind of wait for a natural inspiration.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you know it's like if that happens in between record cycles I don't want to do it I'm making I'm making notes in my phone you know I'm making I'll write out some lyrics up I get inspired and then I'll put it in voice memo you know and Cody does that too and then we'll come back where we can always be like well I have this idea or go digging through some voice memos and so inspiration isn't lost but it's actually like authentic instead of just you know saying hey let's sit down and write a bunch of songs right right coming from like an inspirational moment in your life I guess is what I'm trying to say.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: So have you found as the as you've gotten older and gained more experience in this space the subject matter of what you write about have you felt that it's evolved as well yeah I mean I I think so for sure because we write about you know tougher darker concepts in in a lot of the songs like more than instead of just standard love loss or you know relationship songs or you know problems with drinking and things like that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know we've kind of expanded to the like some of the darker areas on this record I think about life and just getting older and you know just the the the aches and pains of growing well I think you know I I've noticed like a lot of bands as they as they get older a lot of the songs seem to uh to be those like you can't break me you can't hold me down right like I think it just kind of they don't know what yeah they don't know what to do anymore and so it becomes that you know what I mean like rise up and you know just like just this kind of motivational like yeah I will not falter.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah playing into the cliche almost yeah exactly and that's one thing that we we don't want to fall into you know we want to make sure that when we're writing songs that they're things that people can relate to and you know that we're we're hoping that we can you know somebody will turn on our songs and if they're having a really shitty day or they're going through a breakup or they're just whatever it may be that it'll actually like make an impact with people and you know kind of turn things around for them.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's that's everything.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that so you guys have played with a myriad of bands like so many to list over a hundred dates last year alone.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have some specific recent tour memories that you'll cherish for the rest of your life like give us a story Vegas dude we just played Fremont Street like about three weeks ago at the very end and it was packed and it was one of the loudest shows in my life like the crowd was so loud it was overpowering my ears through my microphone and drowning me out of my own microphone and it was just one of the neatest experiences like with you know with the digital light show going on top and they were projecting it onto the or projecting our they were videoing the show and projecting it onto that screen.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: And uh like I said just front to back dude like it was like New Year's or some shit in in this in Fremont Street that was just one of the coolest shows that I can remember in recent times like just like wow what a what a neat thing to do.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: I never thought I'd be here yeah I was gonna say actually for me it's not it's not a show um you know a recent show it's been every show that we've done you know since we started this this cycle um we've just seen this like massive uptick and and you know people have have started to to really show up and be excited um and for me man I mean that that is super super exciting especially this far into the game as long as we've been doing this it's just like a a whole a whole new like rebirth of the band it's been pretty awesome.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it's really wonderful to like you know have three or four new songs in the set and be able to see multiple people singing all the words to them you know yeah I mean that's a special feeling that and that's something we haven't seen in a in a while a good while you know it's like even some of the some of the records we have you know where when we're playing singles it's like you can tell people don't really know them that well you know but on this record I feel like there it's it's gotten a lot more attention and people are actually listening more and so they seem to really know and they're prepared to sing along and I love that.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and that's something again you know kind of treading back on something I said earlier that's something I noticed when I listened to this album over the weekend is from your guys' vantage point does it really feel like a big reset button has been pressed and that with back to life you're introducing the world to hinder for the first time all over again?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it really does I mean to me it it really does.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: That feels like a reawakening to me too for sure.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean it's been so long since we put out new music um and so it was I think things were just kind of feeling stale and we didn't even realize it you know what I mean so um now that that uh it seems like the fan base is like re-energized it's it's really um it's really got us going and kind of uh looking forward to the future a little more than I thought we were expecting yeah yeah you know it's kind of it was like I feel like right before this record it was kind of like come on let's get one we got one more in us you know and now that we got now that we did that one you know it's kind of like man we you know we could do this again and again in different ways you know I mean it's like we we do have a lot of inspiration left I got a lot of you know music left in me to to to say some things with but it just there's sometimes there's just periods in your life where that goes away or you're concerned with other things you know like relationships and you're just not even thinking about music and so everything kind of gets a little stale but then you just use all that you know turmoil and kind of dump it back in the next time around and then it's it's material sometimes you got to live a little before you can find authentic material again you know so basically long story short now we're happy so now the next one's gonna suck.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah love it so you guys have some fantastic shows on the books for the remainder of 2025 is there a specific festival or show that you're looking forward to yeah I'm gonna ask you to pick who your favorite child is um is there a specific show or festival that you guys are more excited about than any other I don't think so I mean you know we're doing Sturgis Sturgis is always cool um but no not really for me man it's it's you know we we just we have so many shows yeah um and like I said things are just they're just going so well that I'm just looking forward to getting back out on a tour.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: So well let me rephrase that in a more PC and uh politically PR friendly way.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a band you haven't played with yet that you're excited to play with this year um I don't think that would that we haven't played with but there are a handful of bands that are kind of uh just getting back together for one or two shows right and that's pretty cool.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know we're playing with Rev Theory oh that's really cool.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's some of our some of our really good friends that we haven't played with in forever so that's going to be really exciting.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh speaking of can I I'll just do a pass one.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: So like we did the Creed cruise right and default was a last minute add-on and I was just blown away by default they were just incredible to watch perform.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the the guitar sounding great the band's tight the singer's incredible I mean that that was a special treat for me like I would love to play more shows with those guys because it's they're just in there they inspire you know yeah absolutely love that I love that I love that whole iron sharpens iron philosophy whenever you're playing with other good bands and it kind of forces you to bring your A game like fuck I got I gotta follow that shit fuck yeah exactly like oh my gosh yeah sometimes sometimes I I I think about my time singing in rock bands and I I was I was like man maybe I would have been better suited as a professional athlete that markets shit than I was a musician because I was always that way I was like nope nope there's no way you're gonna blow me off the stage tonight.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Nope I love that the truth is it's really out of your control so you know for me I just what happens is I watch those bands and I'm like fuck and then I go drink more and then the show suffers probably I had to get a little bit more drunk just so I could convince myself oh I'm almost that good maybe I don't know I know I know we got we got so bad my last band that I was in we got so bad for a while I think we all had little personal flasks on us for a point in time where it's like ah we can't we can't get up on stage without a tying on a few but just suffering from like like critical self-doubt yes yes yes the worst possible case of imposter syndrome ever it's like everybody's gonna find out we suck you know you know what's funny is like I I feel like ninety nine percent of people that you talk to though suffer from the same thing.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh absolutely especially if they're good I mean like there's these people that seemingly don't realize that they're not that great and they just have like gobs of confidence and while that's envious like it's it's really awesome that like most of the people that are like extremely talented don't feel that way about themselves.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: They're very like kind of you know insecure people as well and so it's it's kind of nice to to when you get to talking to somebody else that you admire and they suffer from that too it just makes you feel like you know okay we're gonna be all right.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's funny I've been doing this podcast for five years now and I've had you know music is just one of the many topics that I cover on the show.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of MMA fighters on my show as well and I I I do commentary for pay-per-view commentary for a regional MMA organization and every single fighter I talk to is like talking to another musician because of that exact same thing.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: They know that their biggest opponent isn't the guy that's across from them it's them it's their Frankie fear and it's them if they can overcome themselves then they can overcome anything.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's that little voice in the back of your head that won't shut up constantly going like man you're not good enough.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: That fucking bastard's loud yeah the most obnoxious guy at the party dude fucking hate that guy yeah yeah he's he's the guy that drank all of your garage beers before he even finished your second one absolutely fuck that guy that fucking drink I can drink all the all the beers in the world and sometimes that guy still won't go away right exactly exactly exactly so when fans look back at Hinder's legacy years from now what do you guys hope that they will remember about this era of the band I mean I I think just all we can hope is that they they you know listen back and just think that the songs are great.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know like that they they think that we have written some songs that really have resonated with with them and with other people and uh songs that have made a difference for people.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean for me that's that's really all that matters.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah that's me too man just like somebody to all I've ever really wanted was to like write songs and then have people like them.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Really that's really the all that's the entire motivation right to me is like the challenge of like can I write something that other people just like adore like I adore other people's music you know so that's that's really pay that and I just I hope somebody goes like oh yeah like that oh that second guy he did he had a couple good songs you know like you know what though I think just give me one just give me one you know you know what though I I think anybody kind of hopes for that and a lot of that comes from creating a culture around what it is that you care about you know making people invest in you um by investing in them so I mean you kind of you kind of manifest that success in in different ways for sure yeah absolutely so give your pitch for why people should listen to this brand new hinder album go check it out it's it's songs from the heart they're all they're they're thought songs that we thought about lyrically and emotionally and we put a lot of time and development into you know to to get them the way that we wanted them and um we're proud of it and we just would like people to go go give it a listen man I mean if I'm being perfectly honest too I I really I've said this a million times but I really truly believe that this album from front to back is the strongest thing we've ever done.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: In the history of the band from from you know back in 2001 until now I think that from start to finish from a songwriting standpoint from a production standpoint um I I just think it's the best thing we've ever done you know there's you can you can start this album and and never skip a song and and be happy and that's I mean at least in my opinion and and that's a that's pretty rare.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: So um you know hopefully other people will check it out and feel the same way.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well I tell you what to my listeners or viewers however you are consuming this episode I am going to endorse this album wholeheartedly it is fantastic front to back um you know and I am not being paid to say this I'm not being bribed to say this I since I I sincerely uh enjoyed it and I I've really been enjoying this conversation with both you gentlemen so I'm gonna throw you my uh closing question I ask every single person that does my show and you guys can answer it one at a time but given your experience what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today I think that's pretty simple just just don't be a dick you know like everybody's gotten so fucking selfish where they only care about themselves.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: So like take other people's feelings into consideration you know when you're when you're doing this thing called life um you know think about your actions or the things that you support um think about if if you were in other people's shoes how those things would make you feel and and act accordingly um that's that's that's my spiel.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I mean I can't say it any better than that I I would I would just say very simply kindness and you know if somebody needs help help them you know that's like that's really there's there's really nothing else in life if you do that everything else just seems to seems to work.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes absolutely absolutely Marshall Cody I have really enjoyed this conversation with the two of you let my viewers and listeners know where they can find your new music and find you online uh we're pretty simple uh hindermusic.com is the our website um all of our socials are are hinder music so you can find our our the new album everywhere you listen to to music so Spotify Amazon Fandora Title Deezer you name it there's it's there so awesome awesome well guys i like I am completely sincere here I have really enjoyed hanging out and I think we all all uh need to get together in person in the real world and enjoy some garage beer sometime let's do it dude anytime anytime we'd love it thank you guys so much for doing the show the world's a much better place with you and it like what like what's buddy thank you so much once again I'd like to thank my friends Bodie and Marshall from the band Hinder for giving me their time today.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: What a fantastic conversation check out their brand new album Back to Life on your favorite streaming platform.
• 44:10
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• 44:21
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• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: You can also visit my website www.cotonthemic.com and for all booking inquiries cottonhead gmail.com we're gonna keep December 2025 rolling with music episodes so stay tuned this has been caught on the mic with Michael Clark I am Michael Clark until next time thank you