Latest / Clinical Deep Dives / PSYCH 036: Neuropsychiatric Consequences of Traumatic Brain Injury
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- 0:00So I want you to picture an earthquake right hitting a massive
- 0:05densely populated
- 0:06city right a catastrophic event exactly and the initial
- 0:09mechanical tremor the
- 0:11actual shaking of the ground it lasts what maybe 20 seconds
- 0:15usually yeah very brief
- 0:16right and it collapses a few vulnerable buildings but in the
- 0:20grand scheme of things
- 0:22SPEAKER_01: that immediate physical destruction is remarkably contained which is
- 0:27SPEAKER_00: counterintuitive but true
- 0:28SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
- 0:29SPEAKER_01: because the real devastation,
- 0:30SPEAKER_01: I mean,
- 0:30it's the subterranean water mains snapping and flooding the
- 0:33transit tunnels.
- 0:34SPEAKER_01: It's the electrical fires sparking and compromised power grids and just,
- 0:38SPEAKER_01: you know,
- 0:39SPEAKER_01: spreading for days.
- 0:40SPEAKER_00: The secondary effects.
- 0:41SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
- 0:42It's the structural rot and the socioeconomic decay that
- 0:46quietly hollows out the
- 0:47SPEAKER_01: neighborhood over the next decade.
- 0:49SPEAKER_00: That is honestly the perfect way to look at it.
- 0:51SPEAKER_01: Because a traumatic brain injury, a TBI, is not just an event.
- 0:54SPEAKER_01: It is not the 20 seconds of shaking.
- 0:56SPEAKER_00: No, it's absolutely not.
- 0:58SPEAKER_01: It is the violent initiation of a cascading progressive crisis.
- 1:02And today we are pulling apart the Kaplan and Sadoc chapter on
- 1:05the neuropsychiatric
- 1:07SPEAKER_01: consequences of TBI,
- 1:08SPEAKER_01: breaking down the exact mechanics of that crisis.
- 1:11SPEAKER_00: Which is really the only framework that makes sense for this pathology.
- 1:14SPEAKER_00: How so?
- 1:15SPEAKER_00: Well,
- 1:16if you are a registrar assessing a patient in A&E or managing a
- 1:22chaotic ward and
- 1:24SPEAKER_00: you view a head injury purely as a static orthopedic problem,
- 1:28SPEAKER_01: Like a broken arm.
- 1:29SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 1:29SPEAKER_00: Like a broken bone that just happens to be a skull.
- 1:32SPEAKER_00: You are going to miss the entire clinical picture.
- 1:34SPEAKER_01: Completely.
- 1:35SPEAKER_00: Because psychiatry is fundamentally the study of how the physical brain,
- 1:38SPEAKER_00: the subjective mind,
- 1:39SPEAKER_00: and external experience interact.
- 1:41SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 1:41SPEAKER_01: That's the core of what we do.
- 1:43And TBI forces us to confront the reality of what happens when
- 1:46the physical
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: hardware is acutely deformed.
- 1:48SPEAKER_00: I mean,
- 1:48how does that mechanical shearing translate directly into
- 1:53altered cognition,
- 1:54SPEAKER_00: fractured emotional regulation and entirely shifted identities?
- 1:58SPEAKER_01: And that's the mission for this deep dive.
- 2:01We are moving systematically from the physics of the trauma
- 2:04through those cellular
- 2:05SPEAKER_01: fires all the way to the long term neurodegenerative shadows.
- 2:09SPEAKER_00: Building a complete mental model.
- 2:10SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
- 2:11So that you,
- 2:12the listener,
- 2:13understand exactly why your patient is behaving the way they
- 2:16are.
- 2:17SPEAKER_00: Not just what the symptoms are, but the underlying why.
- 2:20SPEAKER_01: Spot on.
- 2:20SPEAKER_01: So let's start with the sheer epidemiological footprint.
- 2:24We all know TBIs are common,
- 2:26but the numbers in the text are just staggering.
- 2:29SPEAKER_00: Oh, they are.
- 2:29SPEAKER_01: I mean,
- 2:30SPEAKER_01: we're looking at nearly three million A&E visits,
- 2:34SPEAKER_01: hospitalizations and deaths annually in the U.S.
- 2:37SPEAKER_01: alone.
- 2:38the global burden is just astronomical is a colossal public
- 2:41health burden I mean
- 2:42we're talking tens of billions of dollars annually but what's
- 2:45really vital for a
- 2:46clinician to understand here is that the risk it's not evenly
- 2:49distributed across
- 2:50the population don't random not at all it follows a very
- 2:53distinct trimodal
- 2:55SPEAKER_01: demographic curve okay break that down for us
- 2:58so you have high rates in infants and toddlers then there's a
- 3:02massive sharp spike
- 3:03in adolescents and young adults and finally another significant
- 3:08peak in the elderly
- 3:09the three distinct peaks exactly and you have to add a stark
- 3:12gender disparity to
- 3:13SPEAKER_00: that males are roughly 40% more likely to suffer a TBI than females
- 3:19Which,
- 3:20I mean,
- 3:20the mechanisms behind those peaks make intuitive sense,
- 3:23right?
- 3:23SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they do.
- 3:24SPEAKER_01: Infants and the elderly are falling.
- 3:26Falls are actually the single most common ideology across the
- 3:29board,
- 3:29aren't they?
- 3:30SPEAKER_00: They are, yeah.
- 3:30SPEAKER_00: Across all age groups combined, falls take the top spot.
- 3:33SPEAKER_01: But that middle peak,
- 3:34SPEAKER_01: the young men,
- 3:35that's where the ideology shifts sharply to motor vehicle
- 3:38collisions and assault.
- 3:40exactly high velocity impacts and violence and this brings me
- 3:43to a statistic in the
- 3:44text that honestly it completely changed how I view these cases
- 3:48the pre morbid
- 3:49vulnerabilities yes because there is this pervasive narrative
- 3:53that a TBI is just a
- 3:55random stroke of bad luck you know you were just in the wrong
- 3:58intersection at the
- 3:59SPEAKER_00: wrong time a bolt from the blue
- 4:01SPEAKER_01: Right,
- 4:01SPEAKER_01: but the text notes that nearly one-third of brain injury patients had a
- 4:05pre-existing identifiable alcohol use disorder before the
- 4:09trauma even occurred.
- 4:11SPEAKER_00: That's a huge proportion.
- 4:12SPEAKER_01: And more than 50% were acutely intoxicated at the exact moment of impact.
- 4:17SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that statistic should fundamentally alter your clinical approach.
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: I mean, it destroys the myth of the random accident.
- 4:24SPEAKER_01: It really does.
- 4:25SPEAKER_00: The behaviors,
- 4:26SPEAKER_00: the impulsivity,
- 4:26SPEAKER_00: the untreated ADHD,
- 4:28SPEAKER_00: and the substance use that predispose a patient to an initial trauma,
- 4:33they don't just vanish simply because the patient is now lying
- 4:36in an ICU bed.
- 4:37Right the brain injury doesn't cure the alcoholism Exactly in
- 4:40fact the biological
- 4:41damage often strips away whatever compensatory mechanisms they
- 4:44had which severely
- 4:46exacerbates those pre-existing vulnerabilities So it creates
- 4:49this terrifying
- 4:49feedback loop the vulnerability causes the injury and then the
- 4:52injury worsens the
- 4:53SPEAKER_00: vulnerability Precisely which explains why the recurrence rates are so
- 4:57astronomically high What are we talking numbers wise About 10%
- 5:00of these patients
- 5:01SPEAKER_00: will sustain a second recurrent TBI within 12 months Within a single year
- 5:06SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 5:07SPEAKER_00: And when researchers look at the variables,
- 5:09the primary driver for a second TBI isn't the severity of the
- 5:12initial physical
- 5:13SPEAKER_00: damage.
- 5:14SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
- 5:15SPEAKER_00: No, nor is it lingering motor deficits.
- 5:18The single greatest risk factor for recurrence is ongoing
- 5:21substance abuse.
- 5:22SPEAKER_01: Wow.
- 5:23So if you are a psychiatrist treating a patient post-TBI and
- 5:27you ignore the
- 5:27SPEAKER_00: addiction component,
- 5:29you are virtually guaranteeing they will end up back in A&E
- 5:32with a second,
- 5:33SPEAKER_00: far more devastating injury.
- 5:35The hardware was already running faulty software and then
- 5:38someone took a hammer to
- 5:39SPEAKER_01: the motherboard.
- 5:39SPEAKER_00: That's a brilliant way to phrase it, yeah.
- 5:41SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about that hammer.
- 5:42Let's get into the mechanisms and models,
- 5:44the actual physics of a closed head injury.
- 5:47SPEAKER_01: The text draws a very hard line between primary and secondary injury.
- 5:52SPEAKER_00: It does.
- 5:52So the primary injury is the absolute immediate mechanical
- 5:56deformation of tissue.
- 5:57SPEAKER_01: The shaking of the earthquake.
- 5:58SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 5:59It is the tearing of blood vessels and the physical stretching
- 6:02of neurons at the
- 6:04SPEAKER_00: exact millisecond of impact.
- 6:06SPEAKER_01: And the secondary.
- 6:07SPEAKER_00: The secondary injury comprises the delayed physiological cascades.
- 6:11So,
- 6:11you know,
- 6:12the spreading edema,
- 6:13ischemia,
- 6:14rising intracranial pressure,
- 6:16and excitotoxicity.
- 6:17SPEAKER_00: And that unfolds over the ensuing hours, days, and even weeks.
- 6:21SPEAKER_01: Let's visualize the primary physics first.
- 6:24Because if you understand the physics,
- 6:25the clinical presentation maps out perfectly.
- 6:28SPEAKER_00: It really is just pure mechanics.
- 6:29SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 6:30SPEAKER_01: So the brain is not a solid, dense muscle.
- 6:33SPEAKER_01: It's a semi-firm, gelatinous mass, right?
- 6:36SPEAKER_01: Suspended in cerebrospinal fluid.
- 6:38SPEAKER_00: No good dense jelly, yeah.
- 6:39SPEAKER_01: And it is completely sealed inside a rigid, bony vault.
- 6:43SPEAKER_01: But the floor of that vault is not smooth.
- 6:46SPEAKER_00: Far from it.
- 6:46SPEAKER_01: The anterior and middle fossa,
- 6:48SPEAKER_01: so the areas right behind your eyes and temples,
- 6:51SPEAKER_01: they are lined with these sharp bony ridges.
- 6:53SPEAKER_00: Right, the sphenoid wing and the orbital roofs.
- 6:55SPEAKER_01: So when a patient hits a windshield, their skull stops instantaneously.
- 6:59SPEAKER_00: Boom.
- 6:59SPEAKER_00: Zero miles an hour.
- 7:00But inertia dictates that this gelatinous mass inside keeps
- 7:04moving forward at 60 miles an hour.
- 7:05SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 7:06SPEAKER_00: The brain violently impacts the interior of the skull.
- 7:09SPEAKER_00: But it's not just a flat impact, right?
- 7:11SPEAKER_00: It's a dragging motion.
- 7:13SPEAKER_01: A dragging motion.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 7:14The ventral surfaces of the frontal and temporal lobes are
- 7:17brutally scraped across
- 7:19SPEAKER_00: those sharp,
- 7:20SPEAKER_00: bony protuberances at the base of the skull.
- 7:23SPEAKER_01: Oh, God.
- 7:23SPEAKER_00: And furthermore,
- 7:24SPEAKER_00: the brain is compartmentalized by these incredibly tough,
- 7:27SPEAKER_00: rigid,
- 7:28SPEAKER_00: dural membranes.
- 7:29SPEAKER_01: Like the falk cerebri.
- 7:31SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 7:31The scythe-like falk cerebri dividing the hemispheres and the
- 7:34tentorium cerebri
- 7:35SPEAKER_00: separating the cerebrum from the cerebellum.
- 7:37SPEAKER_01: They're like internal walls.
- 7:39SPEAKER_00: Unyielding fibrous dividers.
- 7:42SPEAKER_00: So during a rapid acceleration deceleration event,
- 7:45SPEAKER_00: the brain isn't just hitting bone,
- 7:47it is forcefully impacting and slicing itself against these
- 7:50internal dividers.
- 7:51It's literally like throwing a block of soft tofu against a
- 7:54cheese grater.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: That is exactly what it looks like on pathology.
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: This macroscopic scraping leads to hemorrhagic contusions.
- 8:01SPEAKER_01: The bruising.
- 8:02SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 8:03SPEAKER_00: And because of the anatomy of the skull we just described,
- 8:05those bruises are highly concentrated on the crests of the
- 8:08cerebral gyri in the
- 8:10SPEAKER_00: frontal and temporal lobes.
- 8:11So if you are listening to this on a ward,
- 8:13that is your primary anatomical anchor.
- 8:15SPEAKER_00: The frontal and temporal lobes take the mechanical brunt.
- 8:18Which means the ensuing psychiatric symptoms are going to be
- 8:21overwhelmingly frontal
- 8:23SPEAKER_01: and temporal.
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: Executive failure, emotional dysregulation, loss of impulse control.
- 8:28SPEAKER_01: But contusions are just the macroscopic bruises.
- 8:31SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about the silent killer.
- 8:33SPEAKER_01: Diffuse axonal injury or DAI.
- 8:36SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 8:37SPEAKER_00: DAI is the quintessential neuropathology of trauma.
- 8:40SPEAKER_01: Because it's not about hitting the skull, is it?
- 8:42SPEAKER_00: No.
- 8:42SPEAKER_00: While contusions are caused by the brain hitting the skull,
- 8:45SPEAKER_00: DAI is caused by the brain twisting upon itself.
- 8:48The rapid rotational and tensile shearing forces physically
- 8:52stretch the incredibly
- 8:53SPEAKER_00: delicate axonal tracts.
- 8:55SPEAKER_01: I want to pause here because this is a perfect clinical reasoning check.
- 8:59SPEAKER_01: If I'm looking at an MRI of a patient with profound DAI,
- 9:03why is the damage almost always localized to the corpus
- 9:06callosum or the gray-white
- 9:08SPEAKER_01: matter junctions?
- 9:09SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
- 9:10SPEAKER_01: Because it's not like the skull is hitting the dead center of the brain.
- 9:13What is the actual mechanism making those specific areas so
- 9:16incredibly vulnerable?
- 9:17SPEAKER_00: It all comes down to tissue density gradients.
- 9:19SPEAKER_01: Okay, how so?
- 9:20SPEAKER_00: Well, gray matter and white matter have different specific gravities.
- 9:24SPEAKER_00: They have different elasticities.
- 9:25SPEAKER_01: They stretch differently.
- 9:27SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 9:28SPEAKER_00: When a rotational force is applied to the brain,
- 9:30these two tissues move at slightly different speeds and stretch
- 9:34to different
- 9:34SPEAKER_00: degrees.
- 9:35SPEAKER_01: So they pull apart.
- 9:36SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 9:37The interface where they meet,
- 9:39the gray-white junction,
- 9:41becomes this massive fault line.
- 9:43The aximal tracks crossing that junction are subjected to
- 9:46immense shearing forces
- 9:48SPEAKER_00: and are physically torn.
- 9:50SPEAKER_01: And what about the corpus callosum?
- 9:51SPEAKER_01: That's deep in the middle.
- 9:53SPEAKER_00: Its vulnerability is a matter of geography.
- 9:55SPEAKER_00: It sits immediately adjacent to the rigid falc cerebri.
- 9:58SPEAKER_01: That fibrous divider we talked about?
- 10:00SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 10:01SPEAKER_00: As the hemispheres twist,
- 10:03SPEAKER_00: the corpus callosum is effectively dragged across that sharp dural edge.
- 10:06SPEAKER_00: Just sawing through it.
- 10:08Which severs the massive communication networks between the
- 10:11left and right hemispheres.
- 10:12SPEAKER_01: So the twisting, not the direct impact, causes the tearing.
- 10:15SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 10:16That completely changes how you view a whiplash injury where
- 10:19the head never
- 10:20SPEAKER_01: actually strikes an object.
- 10:22SPEAKER_00: You don't need to hit your head to have a severe traumatic brain injury.
- 10:25So we have the macroscopic bruises and the tearing of the
- 10:28networking cables,
- 10:29SPEAKER_01: but the text gets incredibly granular about the microscopic cascades.
- 10:34SPEAKER_00: This is the secondary injury.
- 10:35SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 10:36What actually happens inside the neuron when it is violently
- 10:39stretched but not
- 10:40SPEAKER_01: completely severed?
- 10:41SPEAKER_00: It initiates a cellular meltdown.
- 10:43SPEAKER_01: Walk us through that.
- 10:44SPEAKER_00: So when an axonal membrane is physically stretched,
- 10:48its mechanical deformation causes the ion channels to spring
- 10:52open inappropriately.
- 10:53SPEAKER_01: They just pop open from the physical stretching.
- 10:55SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 10:55SPEAKER_00: And this completely disrupts ion homeostasis.
- 10:59You get a massive unregulated efflux of potassium out of the
- 11:03cell and an influx of
- 11:04SPEAKER_00: sodium into the cell.
- 11:06SPEAKER_01: Which is the opposite of what should be happening.
- 11:08SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 11:08SPEAKER_00: To restore the balance,
- 11:10SPEAKER_00: the neuron's sodium potassium pumps go into absolute overdrive,
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: rapidly depleting the cell's ATP stores.
- 11:16So the cell is just burning through all its energy just trying
- 11:19to stay stable.
- 11:20SPEAKER_00: Yes,
- 11:21SPEAKER_00: and while it's failing at that,
- 11:22the terminal axons are dumping massive amounts of the
- 11:25excitatory neurotransmitter
- 11:27glutamate into the extracellular space The glutamate storm The
- 11:31glutamate storm This
- 11:32SPEAKER_00: excess glutamate binds to NMDA and AMPA receptors on neighboring cells,
- 11:37forcing their calcium channels open So now calcium is flooding
- 11:41in Intracellular
- 11:42SPEAKER_00: calcium skyrockets,
- 11:43SPEAKER_00: and this calcium flood is highly toxic Why is it toxic?
- 11:47SPEAKER_00: It's digesting itself.
- 11:48SPEAKER_00: Essentially, yes.
- 11:48SPEAKER_00: It also uncouples mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation,
- 11:51SPEAKER_00: which leads to the generation of highly reactive free radicals.
- 12:05And I imagine the immune system notices all this chaos Oh
- 12:08absolutely Finally this
- 12:10widespread cellular distress activates microglia which are the
- 12:13brain's resident
- 12:14immune cells Right And that initiates a wave of
- 12:17neuroinflammation that can persist
- 12:18for months or even years It's the equivalent of a nuclear
- 12:21reactor's cooling pumps
- 12:22failing The initial physical jolt was the earthquake but the
- 12:26glutamate storm and
- 12:27the calcium influx are the ensuing radioactive fire that just
- 12:30keeps burning That is
- 12:32SPEAKER_00: exactly what has happened on a microscopic level
- 12:34Before we move into how this massive physical and chemical
- 12:37damage looks clinically,
- 12:39SPEAKER_01: we need to address a very specific etiology,
- 12:42SPEAKER_01: blast injuries.
- 12:44SPEAKER_00: Ah, yes.
- 12:44Because the text highlights TBI as the signature wound of
- 12:48recent military conflicts.
- 12:50SPEAKER_01: Now,
- 12:50SPEAKER_01: I understand the shrapnel and the impact of being thrown,
- 12:53SPEAKER_01: but what is a primary blast wave actually doing to the brain?
- 12:57SPEAKER_00: The primary blast injury is completely unique to explosive physics.
- 13:02When an improvised explosive device detonates,
- 13:04it creates a supersonic overpressure wave.
- 13:07SPEAKER_01: A wall of air.
- 13:08A wall of highly compressed air expanding outward faster than
- 13:12the speed of sound.
- 13:13SPEAKER_00: And when this wave passes through the human body,
- 13:15SPEAKER_00: it violently compresses and then rapidly expands tissue.
- 13:18SPEAKER_01: Which must wreak havoc on internal organs.
- 13:20SPEAKER_00: It is particularly devastating wherever tissue densities change abruptly,
- 13:24which is why the tympanic membrane ruptures and the lungs
- 13:27suffer hemorrhage,
- 13:29SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 13:29SPEAKER_00: air fluid interfaces.
- 13:30SPEAKER_01: If the brain is in fluid.
- 13:31SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 13:32SPEAKER_00: In the brain, this pressure wave induces cavitation.
- 13:34SPEAKER_00: Cavitation Microscopic bubbles form in this cerebrospinal fluid and the
- 13:38interstitial fluid from the pressure change yes and when the
- 13:42low pressure phase of
- 13:43the wave follows just a millisecond later these bubbles
- 13:48violently collapse oh wow
- 13:50they release immense mechanical energy right right at the
- 13:53cellular level instantly
- 13:55initiating the exact same glutamate and calcium cascades we
- 13:58just discussed
- 13:58SPEAKER_01: But across the entire brain simultaneously.
- 14:02SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 14:02SPEAKER_00: Not just localized to a contusion.
- 14:05SPEAKER_00: Everywhere.
- 14:06SPEAKER_01: That is deeply unsettling.
- 14:07The wave literally boils the fluid at a microstopic level for a
- 14:11fraction of a second.
- 14:12SPEAKER_00: Does.
- 14:12SPEAKER_01: So you have the primary overpressure wave,
- 14:15SPEAKER_01: the secondary shrapnel,
- 14:16SPEAKER_01: the tertiary impact of the body being thrown against a wall,
- 14:19SPEAKER_01: and the quaternary toxic gas or burns.
- 14:22SPEAKER_00: And a single patient can experience all four simultaneously.
- 14:25SPEAKER_01: No wonder the clinical presentations are so profoundly complex.
- 14:28SPEAKER_00: They are some of the most complex patients in medicine.
- 14:31SPEAKER_01: Which brings us to the clinical manifestations.
- 14:33SPEAKER_01: When this patient rolls into your care, how do we categorize the damage?
- 14:37SPEAKER_00: Well,
- 14:38SPEAKER_00: acutely,
- 14:39SPEAKER_00: we rely on established triage heuristics to define the injury as mild,
- 14:44SPEAKER_00: moderate,
- 14:44SPEAKER_00: or severe.
- 14:45SPEAKER_01: The classic classification.
- 14:47SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 14:47SPEAKER_00: And this classification is primarily based on the Glasgow Coma Scale.
- 14:51the GCS score at the time of presentation the duration of any
- 14:55loss of consciousness
- 14:56the extent of post-traumatic amnesia and the degree of
- 14:59alteration of consciousness
- 15:00but those are just acute markers right exactly they're designed
- 15:03to guide immediate
- 15:04neurosurgical interventions yeah do we need to drill a hole do
- 15:08we need to intubate
- 15:09right they do not perfectly predict long-term psychiatric
- 15:12outcomes let's trace the
- 15:14chronological recovery pathway for a patient with a moderate to
- 15:18severe TBI the text
- 15:20SPEAKER_01: calls this
- 15:21Acute Traumatic Encephalopathy very distinct progression a
- 15:24patient suffers massive
- 15:26trauma and is plunged into a neurologic void now we don't need
- 15:29to define the basic
- 15:30GCS mechanics of a coma our listeners know that but the
- 15:34transitions out of that
- 15:35void are where the psychiatry consults get really complicated
- 15:38they do because
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: emergence is chaotic
- 15:41So how do we distinguish a minimally conscious state from the
- 15:44onset of the
- 15:45SPEAKER_01: post-traumatic confusional state?
- 15:46SPEAKER_00: It's all a matter of tracking the return of functional networks.
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: So in a vegetative state, the sleep-wake cycle has returned.
- 15:53SPEAKER_00: Their eyes have been opened, but there is zero awareness.
- 15:56SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 15:57SPEAKER_00: Then,
- 15:58SPEAKER_00: in a minimally conscious state,
- 16:00SPEAKER_00: you start to see reproducible,
- 16:02SPEAKER_00: albeit inconsistent,
- 16:04SPEAKER_00: goal-directed behaviors.
- 16:05SPEAKER_01: Like what?
- 16:06SPEAKER_00: Tracking a mirror with their eyes or reaching for a feeding tube.
- 16:09SPEAKER_01: But they aren't fully awake.
- 16:11SPEAKER_00: No,
- 16:12SPEAKER_00: but the major transition occurs when the patient enters phase two,
- 16:15SPEAKER_00: the post-traumatic confusional state.
- 16:17SPEAKER_01: Which is basically delirium.
- 16:19SPEAKER_00: It is, for all intents and purposes, a profound, acute delirium.
- 16:23The reticular activating system in the brainstem has recovered
- 16:27enough to sustain
- 16:28SPEAKER_00: wakefulness,
- 16:29SPEAKER_00: but the higher cortical networks are still completely chaotic.
- 16:32SPEAKER_01: The text is a vivid vignette for this.
- 16:34SPEAKER_01: A 19-year-old motorcyclist.
- 16:36SPEAKER_01: He suffers bilateral anterior temporal hemorrhagic contusions again,
- 16:41SPEAKER_01: right where the brain scrapes the skull base.
- 16:43SPEAKER_00: Classic injury pattern.
- 16:44SPEAKER_01: 48 hours later in the ICU, he suddenly becomes violently agitated.
- 16:48He's ripping out his arterial lines,
- 16:50fighting the nurses,
- 16:51and swatting at visual hallucinations.
- 16:53SPEAKER_00: The terrifying scene for the family.
- 16:55SPEAKER_01: And the staff.
- 16:56But if you are the psychiatry register a page to the ICU at 3am
- 17:00for an agitated
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: psychotic patient,
- 17:03SPEAKER_01: you have to recognize that this is not a primary psychotic break.
- 17:06SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
- 17:07SPEAKER_00: This is the structurally expected,
- 17:10SPEAKER_00: albeit terrifying,
- 17:12SPEAKER_00: confusional state of a brain emerging from severe trauma.
- 17:15SPEAKER_01: Why does it look like psychosis?
- 17:17Well,
- 17:17the prefrontal regulatory networks,
- 17:20the brakes,
- 17:21are completely offline.
- 17:22And the temporal lobes,
- 17:24which process sensory input and emotion,
- 17:26are bruised and bleeding.
- 17:27SPEAKER_01: So the brain is just misfiring completely.
- 17:30SPEAKER_00: The patient is flooded with unmodulated terrifying stimuli.
- 17:34SPEAKER_00: The clinical challenge here is walking a tightrope.
- 17:37SPEAKER_01: Between safety and recovery.
- 17:38SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 17:39SPEAKER_00: You must ensure environmental and pharmacological safety,
- 17:42preventing them from extubating themselves without sedating
- 17:45them so heavily with
- 17:46SPEAKER_00: neuroleptics that you artificially suppress their neuronal recovery.
- 17:50SPEAKER_01: Because blocking dopamine when the brain is trying to heal isn't ideal.
- 17:53SPEAKER_00: It can drastically slow recovery.
- 17:55SPEAKER_01: So as the swelling goes down and the delirium begins to clear,
- 17:58SPEAKER_01: they transition into phase three,
- 18:00SPEAKER_01: post-traumatic amnesia or PTA.
- 18:02SPEAKER_00: This is a critical phase to understand.
- 18:04SPEAKER_01: Now, I always struggle with the terminology here.
- 18:07SPEAKER_01: When a patient's family hears amnesia,
- 18:09they immediately picture a soap opera scenario where the
- 18:12patient has forgotten
- 18:14SPEAKER_01: their own name and their entire childhood.
- 18:16SPEAKER_00: Right, the classic retrograde amnesia trope.
- 18:18SPEAKER_01: But that's retrograde amnesia.
- 18:20SPEAKER_01: What we are really talking about with PTA is a broken save button, right?
- 18:24SPEAKER_00: That is the perfect analogy.
- 18:26During the PTA phase,
- 18:27the patient's basic arousal and simple attention have actually
- 18:30recovered.
- 18:31SPEAKER_01: So they look awake and engaged.
- 18:32You can walk into the room and they will hold a coherent,
- 18:35normal-sounding conversation with you.
- 18:37SPEAKER_00: But?
- 18:38SPEAKER_00: But the hippocampal formations,
- 18:40which are responsible for consolidating short-term experiences
- 18:43into long-term
- 18:44SPEAKER_00: storage,
- 18:45SPEAKER_00: are still metabolically dysfunctional.
- 18:47SPEAKER_01: The save button is broken.
- 18:48SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 18:49SPEAKER_00: You can have a five-minute chat,
- 18:50SPEAKER_00: leave the room,
- 18:51SPEAKER_00: return ten minutes later,
- 18:52SPEAKER_00: and they will have zero recollection of ever meeting you.
- 18:55SPEAKER_01: That must be so disorienting for families.
- 18:57SPEAKER_00: It is.
- 18:58And the duration of this specific inability to form new
- 19:01continuous memories is
- 19:02actually one of the most powerful prognostic indicators we have
- 19:06for long-term
- 19:06SPEAKER_00: functional recovery.
- 19:08SPEAKER_01: The longer the PTA, the worse the prognosis.
- 19:10SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 19:11So eventually the hippocampus comes back online,
- 19:14the save button is repaired,
- 19:16and PTA clears.
- 19:17SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 19:17SPEAKER_01: But here's the cruel irony.
- 19:20Often families will say the patient suddenly looks worse
- 19:22cognitively once the PTA clears.
- 19:25SPEAKER_01: Why does that happen?
- 19:26Because the clearing of PTA unmasks phase four,
- 19:31post-traumatic desexecutive syndrome.
- 19:33SPEAKER_01: Unmasks it.
- 19:34SPEAKER_01: So it was always there.
- 19:35SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 19:36SPEAKER_00: During the confusional and PTA phases,
- 19:39the cognitive deficits are so globally overwhelming that you
- 19:43cannot accurately
- 19:44SPEAKER_00: assess their higher order executive functioning.
- 19:47You can't tell if their planning is broken if they can't even
- 19:49remember the plan?
- 19:50SPEAKER_00: Precisely.
- 19:51SPEAKER_00: Once they can finally remember what day it is,
- 19:53the damage to the frontal subcortical circuitry becomes
- 19:56blatantly obvious.
- 19:57SPEAKER_01: It's the difference between an encoding failure and a retrieval failure.
- 20:01SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 20:01SPEAKER_01: If PTA was the broken save button on the keyboard,
- 20:04SPEAKER_01: the dis-executive syndrome means the hard drive works,
- 20:07SPEAKER_01: but the file management system is completely corrupted.
- 20:09SPEAKER_00: That's a great way to think of it.
- 20:10SPEAKER_01: They can't organize a search to retrieve the memory.
- 20:13SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 20:13SPEAKER_00: They have immense difficulty with free recall,
- 20:16SPEAKER_00: their working memory is fragmented,
- 20:17SPEAKER_00: and they cannot formulate a sequence of actions.
- 20:19SPEAKER_00: They lose the ability to plan.
- 20:21SPEAKER_01: Which is entirely consistent with those frontal lobe contusions.
- 20:24SPEAKER_00: And the shearing of the frontal white matter tracks, yeah.
- 20:27SPEAKER_00: They may have a full vocabulary and perfect motor function,
- 20:30but they cannot manage a bank account or organize a trip to the
- 20:33grocery store.
- 20:34SPEAKER_01: It's a profound hidden disability.
- 20:36SPEAKER_00: It really is.
- 20:36SPEAKER_01: So that maps the devastating trajectory of severe trauma.
- 20:40SPEAKER_01: Let's pivot to the other end of the spectrum.
- 20:42SPEAKER_01: The text uses the term mild TBI or concussion.
- 20:47SPEAKER_00: A very loaded term.
- 20:49Because calling brain damage mild has always felt like a
- 20:51dangerous clinical oxymoron to me.
- 20:54SPEAKER_01: We are still talking about the rotational shearing of axons.
- 20:58SPEAKER_00: It is a profound misnomer and it often leads to inadequate follow-up.
- 21:02SPEAKER_01: Why is that?
- 21:04Because the critical point is that a patient does not need to
- 21:06lose consciousness to
- 21:08SPEAKER_00: sustain a mild TBI You don't have to be knocked out?
- 21:11SPEAKER_00: No.
- 21:12An alteration of consciousness and AOC is sufficient What does
- 21:16that look like in practice?
- 21:17SPEAKER_00: If a patient is involved in a collision and is dazed,
- 21:21SPEAKER_00: staring blankly,
- 21:22SPEAKER_00: or unable to perform simple cognitive tasks like serial sevens,
- 21:27SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 21:27SPEAKER_00: counting backwards by sevens,
- 21:29SPEAKER_00: immediately following the impact,
- 21:31SPEAKER_00: they have suffered an acute disruption of neural networks.
- 21:34SPEAKER_01: The damage is done.
- 21:35SPEAKER_00: The excitotoxic glutamate cascade we talked about has been initiated,
- 21:39SPEAKER_00: even if they never blacked out.
- 21:41And the controversy always surrounds post-concussive syndrome,
- 21:44doesn't it?
- 21:45SPEAKER_00: Oh, always.
- 21:46Because most guidelines say objective cognitive deficits should
- 21:50clear within three months.
- 21:51SPEAKER_01: But we both know clinics are full of patients suffering from headaches,
- 21:55SPEAKER_01: photophobia,
- 21:56SPEAKER_01: intense irritability,
- 21:57SPEAKER_01: and brain fog a year later.
- 21:59The persistence of those symptoms beyond the three-month window
- 22:02is complex,
- 22:03SPEAKER_00: and it heavily involves our field psychiatry.
- 22:06SPEAKER_01: Because it's psychological.
- 22:08SPEAKER_00: Well,
- 22:08SPEAKER_00: the data clearly shows that pre-existing psychiatric conditions,
- 22:12SPEAKER_00: anxiety,
- 22:12SPEAKER_00: depression,
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: somatization disorders,
- 22:14are the strongest predictors for the persistence of
- 22:16post-contestive symptoms.
- 22:17SPEAKER_01: Wait, does that mean they are just making it up?
- 22:19SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely not.
- 22:21SPEAKER_00: This does not mean the symptoms are all in their head or malingered.
- 22:24SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 22:25It means the structural injury to the brain has intertwined
- 22:28with a pre-existing
- 22:29SPEAKER_00: psychological vulnerability,
- 22:31SPEAKER_00: creating a highly resistant chronic symptom complex.
- 22:35SPEAKER_01: The hardware and the software are inextricably linked.
- 22:38SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 22:39SPEAKER_00: You can't separate them.
- 22:40SPEAKER_01: Which is the perfect bridge into our next section.
- 22:42SPEAKER_01: Integration and clinical reasoning.
- 22:44SPEAKER_00: Moving from the acute to the chronic.
- 22:46SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 22:47We are moving out of the acute recovery phases and looking at
- 22:50the chronic long-term
- 22:52SPEAKER_01: psychiatric overlaps.
- 22:54SPEAKER_01: Let's tackle the giant first.
- 22:56SPEAKER_01: Depressive disorders.
- 22:57Depression is unequivocally the most common psychiatric
- 23:01complication following a TBI.
- 23:03SPEAKER_01: How common are we talking?
- 23:04SPEAKER_00: Depending on the longitudinal cohort studied,
- 23:07the prevalence ranges from roughly a quarter to over three
- 23:10quarters of all
- 23:10SPEAKER_00: patients.
- 23:11SPEAKER_01: Up to 77%.
- 23:12SPEAKER_01: That's massive.
- 23:13SPEAKER_01: But I want to play devil's advocate here for a second.
- 23:15SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
- 23:16SPEAKER_01: If I get into a catastrophic car crash and break my lumbar spine,
- 23:20SPEAKER_01: paralyzing my legs,
- 23:22SPEAKER_01: I am going to be profoundly depressed.
- 23:24SPEAKER_01: My life has fundamentally changed.
- 23:26SPEAKER_00: Understandably.
- 23:27If I suffer a TBI and lose my cognitive sharpness,
- 23:31I am going to be depressed.
- 23:33SPEAKER_01: How do we know TBI depression isn't just a severe adjustment disorder?
- 23:37SPEAKER_01: How do we know it's a direct biological result of the brain trauma?
- 23:41SPEAKER_00: It is a totally valid question.
- 23:43And researchers answered it through rigorously designed
- 23:45controlled trials.
- 23:47SPEAKER_01: How did they do that?
- 23:48They took cohorts of patients with severe TBI and matched them
- 23:52against cohorts of
- 23:52SPEAKER_00: patients with severe,
- 23:54SPEAKER_00: life-altering orthopedic trauma.
- 23:55SPEAKER_01: Like the spinal cord injuries.
- 23:57SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 23:58SPEAKER_00: Spinal cord injuries,
- 23:59SPEAKER_00: massive amputations,
- 24:00people who had identical levels of resulting physical
- 24:03disability and identical
- 24:05SPEAKER_00: pre-morbid demographic backgrounds.
- 24:07SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the psychological burden of disability is the same.
- 24:10SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 24:11SPEAKER_00: And when they track the rates of major depressive disorder,
- 24:13the TBI cohorts develop depression at drastically higher
- 24:17frequencies than the
- 24:17SPEAKER_00: orthopedic controls.
- 24:18SPEAKER_01: Wow.
- 24:19SPEAKER_00: The psychological trauma of disability is present in both, yes.
- 24:23SPEAKER_00: But the physical neuropathology of the TVI acts as an independent,
- 24:27SPEAKER_00: massive biological driver for clinical depression.
- 24:30SPEAKER_01: So the brain damage itself is actively generating the depression.
- 24:33SPEAKER_00: It is part of the pathogenesis, yes.
- 24:35SPEAKER_01: Do we have the imaging to prove what circuits are broken?
- 24:38SPEAKER_00: We do.
- 24:39Volumetric MRI and functional imaging studies of post-TBI
- 24:43depression patients
- 24:45SPEAKER_00: reveal a very consistent pattern.
- 24:46SPEAKER_00: What are we looking for?
- 24:48There is significant gray matter volume loss in the lateral
- 24:53aspects of the left
- 24:54SPEAKER_00: prefrontal cortex.
- 24:55SPEAKER_01: The left PFC.
- 24:56SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 24:57SPEAKER_00: And functionally,
- 24:58you see a marked hypoactivation in those lateral and dorsal
- 25:01frontal regions coupled
- 25:03SPEAKER_00: with hyperactivation in the ventral limbic and paralymbic structures.
- 25:06like the amygdala the amygdala and the insula exactly so the
- 25:09prefrontal cortex the
- 25:10logical regulatory brake system of the brain is physically
- 25:14ground down by the skull
- 25:16while the emotional generation centers in the limbic system are
- 25:19running unchecked
- 25:19the brakes are broken and the accelerators stuck to the floor
- 25:22if the prefrontal
- 25:23cortex can no longer inhibit the limbic system we shouldn't
- 25:26just be seeing
- 25:27SPEAKER_01: depression right what else happens when that modulation fails
- 25:31SPEAKER_00: You see a highly dangerous clinical triad.
- 25:34SPEAKER_01: A triad.
- 25:35SPEAKER_00: Major depression in TDI patients rarely presents an isolation.
- 25:39It is heavily comorbid with severe anxiety disorders and
- 25:42intense aggressive behavior.
- 25:44SPEAKER_01: Depression, anxiety, aggression.
- 25:46SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 25:47The patient is depressed,
- 25:48constantly highly aroused,
- 25:50and prone to explosive rage.
- 25:52SPEAKER_01: That sounds exhausting.
- 25:53SPEAKER_00: It is.
- 25:54And when you combine deep dysphoria with unmodulated
- 25:57impulsivity and aggression,
- 25:59SPEAKER_00: the suicide risk skyrockets.
- 26:01SPEAKER_01: I can imagine.
- 26:02It is a lethal combination that requires aggressive psychiatric
- 26:05intervention.
- 26:06SPEAKER_01: And when we look beyond the structural damage, who is most at risk?
- 26:10SPEAKER_01: I mean,
- 26:10SPEAKER_01: if I'm looking at a patient's chart,
- 26:12SPEAKER_01: what non-biological factors should make my warning bells ring?
- 26:16SPEAKER_00: Social functioning?
- 26:16SPEAKER_00: Because they don't have a safety net.
- 26:37SPEAKER_00: The most famous case in Neuroscience
- 27:01The 1848 railroad worker who had a tamping iron blown entirely
- 27:06through his left
- 27:06SPEAKER_00: frontal lobe He survived physically,
- 27:09SPEAKER_00: his memory remained intact,
- 27:11SPEAKER_00: but his friends famously noted he was no longer Gage He became profane,
- 27:16SPEAKER_01: impulsive,
- 27:17SPEAKER_01: and totally stripped of social grace Gage is the historical anchor,
- 27:21but the textbook provides a modern vignette that is chillingly
- 27:24similar Tell us
- 27:25SPEAKER_01: about that one
- 27:26SPEAKER_00: It's a 42-year-old construction worker who falls from a second story.
- 27:30SPEAKER_00: He suffers bilateral orbitofrontal hemorrhagic contusions.
- 27:33SPEAKER_01: Right in that same area.
- 27:34SPEAKER_00: Six months later,
- 27:35SPEAKER_00: his physical recovery is excellent,
- 27:36but his wife brings him into the clinic because he is a
- 27:38different human being.
- 27:39SPEAKER_01: Oh, so.
- 27:40He's become hypersexual,
- 27:42demanding intimacy without any emotional connection.
- 27:45SPEAKER_00: He flies into rages over minor inconveniences.
- 27:47SPEAKER_00: He makes wildly inappropriate comments to strangers.
- 27:50SPEAKER_01: He has completely lost his social cognition.
- 27:53SPEAKER_00: Completely.
- 27:54The orbitofrontal cortex and the ventromedial prefrontal cortex
- 27:58are the areas that
- 27:58SPEAKER_00: calculate reward,
- 28:00SPEAKER_00: punishment,
- 28:00SPEAKER_00: and social risk.
- 28:01SPEAKER_01: The social filter.
- 28:02SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 28:03When those networks are severed,
- 28:04the patient loses all insight into their own behavior.
- 28:07SPEAKER_00: They become a slave to immediate gratification.
- 28:10But the crucial takeaway from that vignette is that this is not
- 28:13an untreatable
- 28:14SPEAKER_01: death sentence for their personality,
- 28:15SPEAKER_01: is it?
- 28:16SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
- 28:17The text explicitly notes that placing this patient on a
- 28:20selective serotonin
- 28:21SPEAKER_00: reuptake inhibitor sertraline,
- 28:23SPEAKER_00: in this case alongside rigorous behavioral therapy,
- 28:26resulted in a massive reduction in his hypersexuality and
- 28:30explosive anger.
- 28:31SPEAKER_01: So we can use pharmacology to artificially support the broken circuit.
- 28:35SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 28:35SPEAKER_00: We boost the serotonin to help regulate the impulses.
- 28:38SPEAKER_01: Now, what about the opposite end of the mood spectrum?
- 28:41SPEAKER_01: If depression is everywhere, what about secondary mania?
- 28:44Mania following a TBI is relatively rare,
- 28:47occurring in roughly 2-9% of cases.
- 28:49SPEAKER_01: Still, that's not insignificant.
- 28:51SPEAKER_00: No.
- 28:51SPEAKER_00: And conceptually, it is incredibly revealing.
- 28:54SPEAKER_01: Why?
- 28:54SPEAKER_00: When a patient develops secondary mania post-injury,
- 28:57SPEAKER_00: they exhibit the classic euphoria,
- 28:59SPEAKER_00: grandiosity,
- 29:01SPEAKER_00: decreased need for sleep,
- 29:03SPEAKER_00: and hyper-religiosity we see in primary bipolar disorder.
- 29:06SPEAKER_01: Classic manic symptoms.
- 29:08But epidemiological studies show that these post-TBI mania
- 29:11patients do not have
- 29:12higher rates of a family history of bipolar disorder compared
- 29:15to the general
- 29:15SPEAKER_00: population.
- 29:16SPEAKER_01: Oh, that is a fascinating distinction.
- 29:19SPEAKER_00: It is.
- 29:19SPEAKER_01: Because if there is no genetic family history,
- 29:22SPEAKER_01: it proves the mania is not just the trauma unmasking a latent genetic
- 29:26SPEAKER_01: predisposition.
- 29:27SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 29:28SPEAKER_00: It proves the physical trauma,
- 29:30the aberrant electrical activation or the localized destruction
- 29:33of right-sided
- 29:33SPEAKER_00: limbic networks,
- 29:35is directly synthesizing a manic episode from scratch it is a
- 29:38purely structural
- 29:39phenocopy of a psychiatric illness exactly right what about
- 29:42pathological laughing
- 29:43and crying or PLC because this is another highly specific
- 29:47emotional dysregulation
- 29:48SPEAKER_01: that gets misdiagnosed constantly
- 29:51SPEAKER_00: The disconnect is the key, isn't it?
- 30:05SPEAKER_01: It is.
- 30:07SPEAKER_00: You'll be sitting across from a patient,
- 30:10SPEAKER_00: asking them about their breakfast,
- 30:11SPEAKER_00: and they will suddenly begin weeping inconsolably.
- 30:14SPEAKER_01: But if you ask them, are you feeling sad right now?
- 30:16SPEAKER_00: They will shake their head and say, no, I actually feel completely fine.
- 30:19SPEAKER_00: I just can't stop crying.
- 30:20The motor display of the affect is severed from the internal
- 30:23experience of the mood.
- 30:24SPEAKER_00: Which is known as pseudobulbar affect.
- 30:27And it's vital to distinguish PLC from major depression because
- 30:31treating PLC
- 30:32requires different pharmacological approaches than treating
- 30:35pervasive anhedonia.
- 30:36SPEAKER_01: So we've mapped the clinical phenotypes,
- 30:38SPEAKER_01: the depression,
- 30:39SPEAKER_01: the disexecutive failures,
- 30:41SPEAKER_01: the comportment shifts.
- 30:42But as clinicians,
- 30:43we don't just want to guess at the damage based on symptoms.
- 30:46SPEAKER_01: We want to see it.
- 30:47SPEAKER_00: We need objective markers.
- 30:49SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 30:50SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about diagnostic tools and biomarkers.
- 30:53A patient arrives in A&E and the protocol is an immediate
- 30:56non-contrast head CT.
- 30:58SPEAKER_01: But a CT scan is essentially a blunt instrument, isn't it?
- 31:01SPEAKER_00: The non-contrast CT is strictly for acute surgical triage.
- 31:05SPEAKER_01: To see if they need surgery right now.
- 31:06SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 31:07SPEAKER_00: It is designed to find massive, life-threatening pathologies.
- 31:11SPEAKER_00: Epidural hematomas,
- 31:13SPEAKER_00: large subdural bleeds,
- 31:15SPEAKER_00: expanding contusions,
- 31:16SPEAKER_00: or midline shifts that require an immediate craniotomy.
- 31:19SPEAKER_01: But what is it missing?
- 31:20What a CT scan is notoriously terrible at detecting is diffuse
- 31:24axonal injury.
- 31:25SPEAKER_01: The microscopic tearing.
- 31:26SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 31:26SPEAKER_00: You could have a patient in a deep,
- 31:28SPEAKER_00: unresponsive chroma with a GCS of 4,
- 31:30SPEAKER_00: and their CT scan might be read as completely unremarkable.
- 31:34SPEAKER_01: Because the CT just can't see the tearing of the white matter tracks.
- 31:37SPEAKER_01: For that, we need an MRI.
- 31:39SPEAKER_00: But even a standard T1 or T2 MRI sequence might miss the subtle shearing.
- 31:43SPEAKER_01: So what do we use?
- 31:44SPEAKER_00: We have to look at diffusion tensor imaging, or DTI.
- 31:47SPEAKER_01: Break down DTI for us.
- 31:48SPEAKER_00: DTI is a revolution in visualizing network connectivity.
- 31:51It maps the microscopic three-dimensional diffusion of water
- 31:54molecules within the brain.
- 31:56SPEAKER_00: Water molecules.
- 31:56SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 31:57SPEAKER_00: In a healthy,
- 31:58SPEAKER_00: intact myelinated axon,
- 32:00SPEAKER_00: water diffuses preferentially along the length of the tract.
- 32:04SPEAKER_00: It flows down the tube.
- 32:05SPEAKER_01: Like water in a pipe.
- 32:06SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 32:07SPEAKER_00: This is called high fractional anisotropy.
- 32:09SPEAKER_01: High fractional anisotropy.
- 32:10SPEAKER_01: Got it.
- 32:11SPEAKER_00: But when an axon is stretched and torn by rotational forces,
- 32:14SPEAKER_00: The myelin sheath degrades.
- 32:16SPEAKER_00: The pipe is broken.
- 32:18SPEAKER_01: So the water leaks out.
- 32:19SPEAKER_00: The water is no longer constrained.
- 32:21SPEAKER_00: It diffuses chaotically in all directions.
- 32:23SPEAKER_01: So the fractional anisotropy value drops.
- 32:25SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 32:26SPEAKER_00: Using VTI,
- 32:27we can mathematically calculate that drop and generate a
- 32:30color-coded map showing
- 32:31SPEAKER_00: precisely which weight matter superhighways have been severed,
- 32:34SPEAKER_00: even when a standard MRI looks entirely normal.
- 32:37SPEAKER_01: That is incredible.
- 32:38SPEAKER_01: And we can go even deeper than structural integrity, can't we?
- 32:41We can look at the actual metabolic health of the surviving
- 32:44neurons using magnetic
- 32:45SPEAKER_01: resonance spectroscopy or NRS.
- 32:48SPEAKER_00: MRS allows us to perform an in vivo chemical biopsy of the brain.
- 32:52SPEAKER_01: A chemical biopsy.
- 32:53SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 32:53SPEAKER_00: Instead of generating an image, it generates a graph of metabolic peaks.
- 32:56SPEAKER_00: And the most critical marker in TBI is N-acetyl aspartate or NOBA.
- 33:01SPEAKER_01: NEA.
- 33:02SPEAKER_01: What does that do?
- 33:03EndoA is an amino acid derivative synthesized almost
- 33:06exclusively within the
- 33:07SPEAKER_00: mitochondria of healthy neurons.
- 33:09SPEAKER_01: So it's a marker of neuron health.
- 33:10SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 33:11The amplitude of the NAA peak is a direct quantifiable marker
- 33:15of neuronal density and viability.
- 33:17SPEAKER_01: And after a TBI.
- 33:19SPEAKER_00: Following a severe TBI,
- 33:20SPEAKER_00: we see significant long-lasting depressions in NAA levels,
- 33:25SPEAKER_00: and they perfectly correlate with the patient's cognitive deficits.
- 33:28It proves the neurons in that region are either dead or
- 33:31metabolically crippled.
- 33:33SPEAKER_01: Imaging is incredible,
- 33:34SPEAKER_01: but I mean,
- 33:34SPEAKER_01: it requires a massive machine and an hour of the patient's time.
- 33:38SPEAKER_00: Which isn't always practical in trauma.
- 33:40Emergency medicine has been searching for decades for a simple
- 33:43blood test,
- 33:44SPEAKER_01: you know,
- 33:44SPEAKER_01: the troponin of the brain,
- 33:46SPEAKER_01: a rapid assay to tell us if neural tissue is actively dying.
- 33:49SPEAKER_01: What about blood tests?
- 33:51SPEAKER_01: In medical school, we were all taught to look for S100B.
- 33:54SPEAKER_01: Is that still the gold standard?
- 33:55SPEAKER_00: S100B was the focus of intense research for years.
- 33:59It's a calcium binding protein that spikes in the serum after
- 34:02brain trauma.
- 34:02SPEAKER_01: So what's the issue?
- 34:04SPEAKER_00: The problem with S100B is its lack of specificity.
- 34:07SPEAKER_01: Meaning it comes from other places too.
- 34:09SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 34:10SPEAKER_00: It is not exclusively found in the brain.
- 34:12SPEAKER_00: It is also present in chondrocytes and adipocytes.
- 34:14SPEAKER_01: Parlage and fat.
- 34:16SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 34:16SPEAKER_00: So if a patient has a multi-trauma car crash and breaks their femur,
- 34:21SPEAKER_00: their S100B levels will skyrocket,
- 34:24SPEAKER_00: rendering it completely useless for ruling in a TBI.
- 34:27It's sensitive,
- 34:28but it's fundamentally flawed because of the peripheral noise.
- 34:31SPEAKER_01: So what has replaced it?
- 34:33The paradigm has shifted heavily toward glial fibrillary acidic
- 34:36protein or GFP.
- 34:39GFAP is a structural protein expressed almost exclusively in
- 34:42the cytoskeleton of
- 34:43SPEAKER_00: astrocytes within the central nervous system.
- 34:45SPEAKER_01: So it only comes from the brain.
- 34:47SPEAKER_00: And GFA-1
- 35:03SPEAKER_00: GFA radically outperformed S100B.
- 35:06SPEAKER_00: It demonstrated a 99% likelihood of improved discrimination.
- 35:10SPEAKER_00: Because it is so highly specific to astroglial damage,
- 35:14a spike in GFAV is virtually definitive proof that the brain
- 35:19parenchyma has been
- 35:20SPEAKER_00: breached.
- 35:21SPEAKER_01: That is exactly the kind of concrete biomarker A&E has been waiting for.
- 35:26Now,
- 35:26I want to pull back from the skull for a moment and look at the
- 35:29systemic picture.
- 35:30SPEAKER_01: We need to talk about endocrinology.
- 35:32SPEAKER_00: The brain-body connection.
- 35:33Why on earth does a psychiatrist managing a patient's mood and
- 35:37cognition a year
- 35:38SPEAKER_01: after a crash need to be deeply concerned about their hormone panels?
- 35:42SPEAKER_00: Because the brain is the master regulator of the endocrine system,
- 35:46SPEAKER_00: and the physical link connecting the two is incredibly fragile.
- 35:49SPEAKER_01: You mean the pituitary stalk.
- 35:51SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 35:51The pituitary gland sits in a tiny bony cradle,
- 35:54the cell atrucica,
- 35:55at the base of the skull.
- 35:56It is tethered to the hypothalamus by the infundibulum,
- 35:59or the pituitary stalk.
- 36:00Okay,
- 36:01so you have the big brain,
- 36:02a tiny stalk,
- 36:03and a little gland in a bony pocket.
- 36:05SPEAKER_00: When the grain undergoes those violent acceleration-deceleration forces,
- 36:08SPEAKER_00: the heady brain shifts,
- 36:10SPEAKER_00: but the pituitary gland remains fixed in its bony pocket.
- 36:13SPEAKER_01: The brain acts like a wrecking ball pulling on its own tether.
- 36:16SPEAKER_00: Precisely.
- 36:17That delicate stalk and the complex portal venous system
- 36:21wrapped around it are easily sheared.
- 36:23SPEAKER_01: And what happens when they shear?
- 36:24SPEAKER_00: This physical severing creates profound endocrine crises.
- 36:28SPEAKER_00: In the acute ICU phase, the immediate terror is hypocortisolism.
- 36:33SPEAKER_01: Low cortisol.
- 36:34If the anterior pituitary cannot signal the adrenal glands to
- 36:38produce cortisol via
- 36:39SPEAKER_00: ACTH,
- 36:40the patient will plummet into life-threatening hypotension and
- 36:44hyponatremia.
- 36:45SPEAKER_01: Their blood pressure just crashes.
- 36:47SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 36:48SPEAKER_00: Alternatively,
- 36:49damage to the post-pituitary pathways halts the release of
- 36:52antidiuretic hormone,
- 36:54SPEAKER_00: triggering diabetes insipidus.
- 36:56SPEAKER_01: Where they can't hold on to water.
- 36:57The patient rapidly urinates liters of dilute urine,
- 37:00leading to lethal hypernatremia.
- 37:02SPEAKER_01: Those are the acute intensive care crises.
- 37:05SPEAKER_01: But let's look at the chronic phase.
- 37:06Let's say a patient comes to your outpatient clinic 12 months
- 37:09after a severe TBI.
- 37:11SPEAKER_01: They are complaining of massive debilitating fatigue,
- 37:14SPEAKER_01: severe weakness,
- 37:15SPEAKER_01: increased fat mass around their abdomen,
- 37:17SPEAKER_01: and a profound loss of their sense of well-being.
- 37:19SPEAKER_00: Sounds very familiar.
- 37:21SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 37:21The instinct for a psychiatrist might be to diagnose a severe
- 37:24atypical major
- 37:25SPEAKER_01: depression and start rotating them through SSRIs and SNRIs.
- 37:30SPEAKER_01: But what endocrine failure should you actually be looking for?
- 37:33SPEAKER_00: You must screen them for growth hormone deficiency or GHD.
- 37:37SPEAKER_01: Growth hormone in an adult.
- 37:39It is the most common anterior pituitary endocrinopathy to
- 37:43emerge in the chronic
- 37:44SPEAKER_00: phase post TBI.
- 37:46SPEAKER_00: In an adult, severe GHD doesn't affect height.
- 37:50SPEAKER_00: It fundamentally alters metabolism, body composition, and energy levels.
- 37:53SPEAKER_01: And it mimics depression.
- 37:55The psychological presentation of GHD perfectly mimics a severe
- 37:59treatment-resistant
- 38:00SPEAKER_00: depression or chronic fatigue syndrome.
- 38:02SPEAKER_00: If you don't check their hormone levels,
- 38:03you will subject them to years of ineffective psychiatric
- 38:06polypharmacy for what is
- 38:07SPEAKER_00: fundamentally a structural pituitary failure.
- 38:10SPEAKER_01: And timing is everything with this diagnosis, isn't it?
- 38:12The guidelines are very specific about when we should be
- 38:15drawing these labs.
- 38:16SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 38:16You should wait until the 12-month mark post-injury to perform
- 38:20dynamic growth hormone testing.
- 38:21SPEAKER_01: Why wait a full year?
- 38:22SPEAKER_00: So they might just bounce back.
- 38:24SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 38:35SPEAKER_00: Conversely,
- 38:36SPEAKER_00: a patient might test normal at three months,
- 38:38only for the fibrotic scarring in the pituitary stalk to slowly
- 38:42strangle the
- 38:43SPEAKER_00: remaining blood supply,
- 38:44SPEAKER_00: resulting in delayed failure at 10 months.
- 38:47SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
- 38:48Testing dynamically at one year provides the most accurate
- 38:50assessment of permanent
- 38:51SPEAKER_00: chronic pituitary dysfunction.
- 38:54SPEAKER_01: It is the ultimate reminder that psychiatrists must be physicians first.
- 38:58SPEAKER_01: We cannot divorce the mind from the metabolic engine running it.
- 39:01SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
- 39:01Now as we enter the final act of the synthesis we must address
- 39:05the most sobering
- 39:06reality of brain trauma the long-term shadow neurodegeneration
- 39:10we are talking about
- 39:11later life neurodegeneration a TBI is not a static scar it is
- 39:16an active variable in
- 39:18how the brain ages over the next 40 years the epidemiological
- 39:22data over the last
- 39:23SPEAKER_00: decade has become incontrovertible it's that definitive
- 39:26SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 39:27SPEAKER_00: Sustaining a traumatic brain injury,
- 39:29SPEAKER_00: even a single moderate injury,
- 39:31or repeated mild injuries significantly alters your trajectory
- 39:35for developing
- 39:36SPEAKER_00: neurodegenerative dementias decades later.
- 39:38SPEAKER_01: How does it do that?
- 39:40SPEAKER_00: Well, the trauma lowers your overall cognitive reserve.
- 39:43SPEAKER_00: But more insidiously,
- 39:45it appears to actively accelerate the pathological aggregation
- 39:49of misfolded
- 39:49SPEAKER_00: proteins.
- 39:50SPEAKER_01: Let's start with Alzheimer's disease.
- 39:52SPEAKER_01: The epidemiological link is incredibly robust, right?
- 39:55SPEAKER_00: It is.
- 39:56Large scale database studies have repeatedly demonstrated that
- 39:59a history of TBI
- 40:01acts as an independent risk factor for the development of
- 40:03Alzheimer's dementia.
- 40:04SPEAKER_01: And we can see this happening now.
- 40:06SPEAKER_00: We are beginning to see the mechanisms via advanced imaging.
- 40:10SPEAKER_00: In cohorts of patients with a history of severe TBI,
- 40:13amyloid PT scans reveal greater deposition of amyloid beta
- 40:16plaques compared to
- 40:17SPEAKER_00: matched controls.
- 40:19SPEAKER_01: The plaques are building up faster.
- 40:20SPEAKER_00: Furthermore,
- 40:21the clinical onset of cognitive impairment in the TBI cohorts
- 40:24occurs on average
- 40:25three to four years earlier than in patients without a history
- 40:28of head trauma.
- 40:29SPEAKER_01: The injury literally fast forwards the neuropathological clock.
- 40:32SPEAKER_00: It really does.
- 40:33But the textbook makes a fascinating point that it isn't just
- 40:36an Alzheimer's story.
- 40:38There are links to non Alzheimer's dementias and specifically a
- 40:42very dangerous
- 40:43SPEAKER_01: synergy regarding Parkinson's disease.
- 40:46SPEAKER_01: How does mechanical trauma relate to a movement disorder?
- 40:49The disruption of the basal ganglia circuitry and the chronic
- 40:52neuroinflammation
- 40:53initiated by the trauma appear to make the dopaminergic neurons
- 40:56in the substantia
- 40:57SPEAKER_00: nigra highly vulnerable.
- 40:59SPEAKER_01: Which leads to Parkinson's.
- 41:00SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 41:01SPEAKER_00: In massive veteran cohorts,
- 41:02SPEAKER_00: researchers found a clear dose-dependent link between TBI and subsequent
- 41:07SPEAKER_00: Parkinsonian syndromes.
- 41:09But the truly alarming finding is the synergy with
- 41:11post-traumatic stress disorder.
- 41:12SPEAKER_01: PTSD.
- 41:13SPEAKER_01: This is where it all connects.
- 41:15SPEAKER_01: The physical and the psychological.
- 41:16SPEAKER_00: Precisely.
- 41:17SPEAKER_00: If a patient has a TBI, their risk for Parkinson's is elevated.
- 41:21SPEAKER_00: If they have PTSD without a physical brain injury,
- 41:23SPEAKER_00: their risk is also elevated,
- 41:25likely due to the chronic allostatic load and the continuous
- 41:27toxic bathing of the
- 41:28SPEAKER_00: brain in cortisol and stress hormones.
- 41:31SPEAKER_01: But if they have both?
- 41:32SPEAKER_00: If a patient has both a TBI and PTSD,
- 41:35which is incredibly common in military populations and severe
- 41:38motor vehicle
- 41:39SPEAKER_00: accident survivors,
- 41:41SPEAKER_00: the risk for developing Parkinson's disease multiplies synergistically.
- 41:45SPEAKER_01: It doesn't just add up, it multiplies.
- 41:47The mechanical shearing and the psychological neurotoxicity
- 41:49combine to absolutely
- 41:51SPEAKER_00: destroy the basal ganglia.
- 41:52SPEAKER_01: The trauma compounds on every front.
- 41:55SPEAKER_01: Finally,
- 41:55we cannot discuss neurodegeneration without addressing the
- 41:58condition-dominating
- 41:59SPEAKER_01: sports medicine and neurology headlines,
- 42:02SPEAKER_01: chronic traumatic encephalopathy,
- 42:04SPEAKER_01: or CTE.
- 42:05SPEAKER_00: CTE is a distinct progressive tuapathy.
- 42:08SPEAKER_01: How does it differ from a standard TBI?
- 42:10SPEAKER_00: Unlike a single severe event,
- 42:12SPEAKER_00: CTE is driven by the cumulative burden of repetitive,
- 42:15SPEAKER_00: sub-concussive,
- 42:16SPEAKER_00: and concussive impacts sustained over years.
- 42:18SPEAKER_01: Like football or boxing?
- 42:20SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 42:21SPEAKER_00: We see the professional American football players,
- 42:22SPEAKER_00: boxers,
- 42:23SPEAKER_00: rugby players,
- 42:24SPEAKER_00: and military personnel exposed to repeated blasts over pressure waves.
- 42:27SPEAKER_01: And what is happening inside their brains?
- 42:29The constant mechanical stressing of the brain initiates a
- 42:33hyperphosphorylation of tau proteins.
- 42:36These form neurofibrillary tangles that slowly spread
- 42:39throughout the cortex,
- 42:41SPEAKER_00: devastating the frontal and temporal lobes.
- 42:43SPEAKER_01: And clinically?
- 42:44It leads to severe mood lability,
- 42:46impulsivity,
- 42:47suicidality,
- 42:48and eventually profound dementia.
- 42:50SPEAKER_01: CTE is the absolute embodiment of our opening metaphor.
- 42:54SPEAKER_01: It's not one massive earthquake.
- 42:56It is 10,000 tiny microtremors over 20 years that continually
- 43:01weaken the foundation
- 43:02SPEAKER_01: until the entire architectural structure of the brain simply collapses.
- 43:06SPEAKER_00: That's exactly it.
- 43:07SPEAKER_00: Which brings us to the core clinical philosophy of this whole chapter.
- 43:09SPEAKER_01: Let's hear it.
- 43:10SPEAKER_00: When you are managing a patient post TBI,
- 43:12SPEAKER_00: whether it is day two in the ICU or year 10 in your outpatient clinic,
- 43:16SPEAKER_00: you are managing an evolving landscape.
- 43:18You are not trying to return them to a pristine baseline that
- 43:21no longer exists.
- 43:22SPEAKER_01: Because you can't.
- 43:23SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 43:23You are helping them build compensatory mechanisms to navigate
- 43:26their new neurological reality.
- 43:29SPEAKER_01: That is a profound way to look at it.
- 43:31Okay,
- 43:31let's distill everything we've unpacked into a few single best
- 43:34answer questions.
- 43:35SPEAKER_01: A quick clinical reasoning check for you listening.
- 43:37SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
- 43:38SPEAKER_01: Question one.
- 43:39SPEAKER_01: Which mechanism is primarily responsible for diffuse axonal injury?
- 43:44SPEAKER_01: Take a second to think about that one.
- 43:45SPEAKER_00: It's the rotational and tensile shearing forces,
- 43:48which uniquely stretch and tear complex neurovascular and
- 43:51axonal structures,
- 43:52SPEAKER_00: particularly in the corpus callosum and gray-white junctions.
- 43:55SPEAKER_01: Spot on.
- 43:56SPEAKER_01: Question two.
- 43:58SPEAKER_01: During the acute traumatic encephalopathy recovery phase,
- 44:01what core cognitive feature distinguishes post-traumatic
- 44:04amnesia PTA from the
- 44:05SPEAKER_01: subsequent post-traumatic dice-executive syndrome?
- 44:09SPEAKER_01: Think about the broken save button.
- 44:10SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 44:11PTA is characterized by the inability to form new memories due
- 44:14to hippocampal
- 44:15SPEAKER_00: system injury,
- 44:16whereas this disexecutive phase is characterized by difficulty
- 44:19retrieving memories
- 44:20SPEAKER_00: and faulty encoding strategies due to fundals of cortical damage.
- 44:23SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
- 44:24SPEAKER_01: Question three.
- 44:26Which serum biomarker has demonstrated the highest
- 44:28discriminative value for
- 44:29SPEAKER_01: predicting CT abnormalities in acute TBI,
- 44:32SPEAKER_01: according to recent multicenter studies?
- 44:34SPEAKER_00: That would be glial fibrillary acidic protein,
- 44:37or GFAP which is highly specific to brain tissue and
- 44:41outperforms s100b brilliant
- 44:44question for a patient who sustained a severe TBI one year ago
- 44:49presents with
- 44:50profound new onset fatigue decreased strength and a diminished
- 44:54sense of well-being
- 44:56SPEAKER_01: what endocrine screening is specifically indicated at this stage
- 45:00Dynamic Growth Hormone Testing Growth Hormone Deficiency is the
- 45:03most common
- 45:03SPEAKER_00: endocrinopathy post-TBI and is typically tested at 12 months,
- 45:07SPEAKER_00: as earlier testing may reflect transient deficiencies.
- 45:10SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 45:11SPEAKER_01: Question 5.
- 45:12A TBI patient develops major depressive disorder within the
- 45:14first year post-injury.
- 45:16SPEAKER_01: According to the structural and functional correlations we discussed,
- 45:19what other two clinical manifestations are most likely to
- 45:22co-occur with this
- 45:23SPEAKER_01: depression?
- 45:24SPEAKER_01: We called it a lethal triad.
- 45:26SPEAKER_00: Anxiety disorders and aggressive behavior.
- 45:28This triad is linked to faulty prefrontal modulation of medial
- 45:31limbic structures.
- 45:32SPEAKER_01: And the final question, question six.
- 45:33What is the most consistent clinical and demographic correlate
- 45:36of major depression
- 45:37SPEAKER_01: during the follow-up period after a TBI?
- 45:40SPEAKER_00: Poor pre-morbid social functioning.
- 45:42SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
- 45:42SPEAKER_01: It is a phenomenal text.
- 45:44And as always,
- 45:45our discussion is a conceptual map designed to run alongside
- 45:48it.
- 45:49SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
- 45:49SPEAKER_00: Go back,
- 45:50SPEAKER_00: read the chapter,
- 45:51SPEAKER_00: study the DTI scans,
- 45:52SPEAKER_00: and integrate the physiology with the psychiatric phenomenology.
- 45:55Here are the details of this deep dive neuropsychiatric
- 45:58consequences of traumatic
- 45:59brain injury byline impact and aftermath how injury reshapes
- 46:04cognition emotion and
- 46:07identity over time as we close the book today I want to leave
- 46:10you with one final
- 46:11SPEAKER_01: thought a frontier of TBI research that is just beginning to unfold
- 46:15We've spent the last hour dissecting how the mechanical forces
- 46:18of an injury tear
- 46:19SPEAKER_01: the brain's hardware,
- 46:20SPEAKER_01: unleash glutamate storms,
- 46:22SPEAKER_01: and rewire the cortex.
- 46:23SPEAKER_00: The central nervous system damage.
- 46:25SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 46:25SPEAKER_01: But what if the secondary cascades don't stay confined to the skull?
- 46:28SPEAKER_01: Researchers are now finding that within hours of a severe head trauma,
- 46:32SPEAKER_01: the gut microbiome rapidly and pathologically alters.
- 46:35SPEAKER_00: The gut-brain axis.
- 46:36SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 46:37The sheer stress and the massive autonomic discharge traveling
- 46:40down the vagus nerve
- 46:41SPEAKER_01: compromised the intestinal barrier,
- 46:43SPEAKER_01: leading to a systemic release of endotoxins.
- 46:46Those gut derived inflammatory signals then travel back up the
- 46:49vagus nerve,
- 46:49crossing the damaged blood brain barrier and essentially
- 46:52pouring gasoline on the
- 46:53SPEAKER_01: microglial fires burning in the brain weeks later.
- 46:56SPEAKER_00: It's a systemic feedback loop.
- 46:58SPEAKER_01: It is.
- 46:58So the next time you are sitting across from a TBI patient who
- 47:02is suddenly
- 47:02complaining of inexplicable gastrointestinal distress alongside
- 47:06a sudden worsening
- 47:07SPEAKER_01: of their brain fog and depression,
- 47:09SPEAKER_01: ask yourself,
- 47:10SPEAKER_01: is the brain injury truly over or has the epicenter just relocated?
- 47:14SPEAKER_01: Keep asking those questions,
- 47:15SPEAKER_01: keep challenging the boundaries of the pathology,
- 47:17SPEAKER_01: and we will see you on the next deep dive.