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S1 | E15 Janell Riedl - Pilates Instructor & Intuitive · The Permission Slip

• The Permission Slip - S1-E15 Riedl Matt Kosterman: Hi, I'm Matt Kosterman and we are back with another episode of the Permission Slip. And today I am with Janelle Riddle, my amazing Pilates instructor for the last almost three years. Janell Riedl: crazy. Matt Kosterman: Isn't that crazy? Janell Riedl: Yeah. Be Matt Kosterman: Like, it'll be three years, like I think in February. Wow. Janell Riedl: Three years. Time flies. Yeah, time. We were just Matt Kosterman: What's time? Yes. We're talking about time when I showed up 15 minutes late to my Janell Riedl: TikTok. Matt Kosterman: TikTok. 12. 1215 Uhhuh. So, Janelle has been instrumental in helping me unwind my wound up body. I joked with her one day that she should be the one at, at theater that everybody gives the tangled up cords to. Janell Riedl: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Right. And you said that, I love that your friends used to do that when you went camping. Absolutely. Like they'd give you all the Janell Riedl: rope. Oh yeah. Anything in a knot. They're like, Janelle will fix it and I will have this pile of knot naughtiness Matt Kosterman: Right. Janell Riedl: and undo it and then just be like magical ta ta ta. It's very satisfying to me. Matt Kosterman: and her alter ego might be a dominatrix because Janell Riedl: Could be, she Matt Kosterman: can get a little bit, you know, Janell Riedl: rough. There's a little throw an elbow in was Matt Kosterman: a little pain earlier today. Janell Riedl: like, are you crying? Are you crying? Perfect. I'll go deeper. Matt Kosterman: So I have been sort of pitching, you know, it's funny. I had, a couple of people along my journey recommend Pilates and my core. I mean, that's where everything hurt, right? Yeah. And I couldn't even fathom like doing any, I just thought of Pilates as like crunches. Yeah. Right. And I was, Janell Riedl: Were you scared of it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And I was like, I thought this would be the worst thing I could possibly Janell Riedl: Right. Matt Kosterman: I don't want to Janell Riedl: like, I don't wanna do this. No. This is, this is gonna be the anti Yeah. Of what will Matt Kosterman: Like, you don't know, not Janelle, but you know, I'm telling you thing, these people, you have no idea how much it hurts. And I'm not doing Pilates. Yeah. And then I, I moved to this area of the city and I walked by her studio, which is just half a mile down the road. Janell Riedl: So convenient. Matt Kosterman: And, and it was like, hmm. I didn't, I was like, oh, I kind of made a note of it. Uhhuh. And then, I don't know, something, you know, Janell Riedl: how long, how much time passed before? Matt Kosterman: I mean like a year. Yeah. And then, yeah, I think I was in Maui for the second time getting trained in body memory recall. Okay. And I was working with this amazing massage therapist who was a partner of this amazing chiropractor. Um, and she had told me the first time I was there that maybe I needed to do Pilates. And I'm like, nah, I don't know what you're talking about. So she told me again and it stuck. And I think that was in 23 yeah. 22. I don't know. What is time? And so then I was like, well, I'll try Janelle and I'll try this. Elite Pilates. Yes. Elite integrated Pilates, which is right down the street. And and it's been incredible. It's been great. Janell Riedl: And Matt Kosterman: is also from Eugene, Oregon. Yay. Which is where my youngest daughter went to college. So we have that in common. Ducks Go Ducks Janell Riedl: Team God ducks. Matt Kosterman: And so, and I, you know, it's the kind of pil, you know, you're a Pilates instructor and so much more because I do other Pilates, which is great, but it's not like what you do. So tell, so let's like wind back the clock and how did this all come to be? How did Janelle get into Pilates? What was your origin story? I love for people to know, like Janell Riedl: where did I start? Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Like you didn't just kind of pop out and start teaching Pilates. Janell Riedl: No, I di I, I mean, I guess just as far as teaching in general when I was growing up, like I wanted to be a rock star, musician as well. Yeah. And I did, I am not that, I mean maybe in my own mind, but, not recognized by others famously. Um, but my mom was always like, you, you should be a teacher. Like you'd be a great teacher. And I was like, that is the lamest thing. I have Matt Kosterman: I wanna be a rock star. Janell Riedl: Yeah, exactly. And then fast forward to now, here I am a teacher. Yeah. Um, and I, I feel good at it. I mean, I feel like this is my purpose, like truly. Um, I feel very, very connected to it. Um, the first time that I. Came across Pilates was when I was in Col. I was in college actually going to U of O and I was doing, I was dancing and doing a lot of dance, and they had a Pilates class. I signed up for it. This is like back in the day when Pilates was, uh, you had to learn Pilates from someone who was taught by Joseph Pilates himself. Matt Kosterman: no, the, the, there Janell Riedl: any other aspects of it, and so I was like, this is so cool, and I wanted to do it back then, but I started to kind of research I, and it was like not close to me. Like I had to go to the, somewhere in the Midwest to find a teacher and then spend all this time, and it was just such a pipe dream. I'm like, there's no way. I mean, back then you couldn't even, they were, I think it was, they were under a lawsuit where you couldn't call Pilates, Pilates. Matt Kosterman: unless you, you had been trained by Joseph, Janell Riedl: In the, the lineage. Yeah. So, and there's only, I mean, there are, there is a lineage of that obviously that still exists. Um, but I, that was just not gonna happen for me at that time. And then fast forward through, you know, life happening other, I was bartending. That was my career choice. Um, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Janell Riedl: when I graduated college, I went to school for theater and did music in Oh, you did college? Yeah. And, I moved to Chicago right after I graduated college. Started bartending and working the clubs here. Um, cocktail serving Matt Kosterman: like where did you work? Did you work at like shelter Janell Riedl: no, that was a little before me. Um, I worked at the leg room, which was like on Division Street downtown, like in that division, division, the pit Man. It was fun. It, we had a blast. It was a really good time, but it, it ran its course and I had to get out of here for a while. So I went back to Oregon, maybe six years later. Actually, in between that, I moved to LA to try to be famous, and that only lasted about a year and a half. Okay. Then I came back to Chicago, then I went to Oregon. You were almost famous. Yeah. All very close. So Matt Kosterman: close. Janell Riedl: I was right Matt Kosterman: I was right there, right there Janell Riedl: so very close. And I, yeah, so I went back to Oregon and lived with my sister. I mean, I went through it there. I I was really into the whole party scene. I did all of the drugs and the party and the everything, and that was where I was just like, man, I need a break. Like this is gonna be bad. So that's why I went home. I lived with my sister for a little bit and then I got a DUI and that I think. Ultimately was like my pivot point of Matt Kosterman: shifting Janell Riedl: life. Like I, I definitely needed that. Matt Kosterman: could stay on this path and this is what, it's gonna keep looking like Janell Riedl: Uhhuh or Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh or Janell Riedl: Uhhuh or I can do some like, change. I was still resistant, you know, but I, I did like, looking back, that was when things really started to shift for me. And then I, but I was still working in the bars for a little bit longer. Um, and then I started to, I was taking Pilates. I had a boyfriend at the time who said he would do it with me. I had done it before. I loved it. We were doing, you know, private Pilates classes three, four times a week, and then he was over it. Okay. And I was like. Obsessed with it. Yeah. And I had kind of a repetitive stress injury in my shoulder from like pouring from bartending. Bartending. Mm-hmm. And my sh I was eating Advil. Like it, like just candy? Yeah. Like massive amounts. Yeah. Yeah. Right. My poor, I'm sorry you guys. Um, and so I, uh, Pilates it, fixed it, and then I was, I was still not necessarily. Interested in doing, like teaching it. I mean, I guess deeply I was about doing it, but I never thought I could be a teacher. And then one of the instructors at the studio was like, have you ever thought about being a teacher? And I was like, oh. So I was terrified. Yeah. At the idea, like just the idea of learning something else and doing it. At that point, I was probably in my early thirties going, you know, I mean, it's a lot of work. Matt Kosterman: It's a lot of hours. Yeah. Hundreds. It's, Janell Riedl: and I was researching it all. I still couldn't do like the classical route, even though I was really interested in it, you know? Matt Kosterman: When you were doing Pilates, was it Matt or Reformer, Janell Riedl: was Bo both. Yeah. Yeah. And, and Cadillac chair, everything. Okay. Um, and it was, it was. Really, like, amazing, like I saw not only what I did to myself, but also just to other people, you know? And, but I'd never, I still hadn't thought at that point, like, you know, can I, can I do it? But I started to research it and, you know, and I'm like a person who just needs to know everything about everything. So I'm like digging into the computer, like, what is there, who's the best, what, you know, what is it? And I, there are a few, or there were, they're still around all of them. Um. Kind of avenues you could go through that were very reputable systems. Um, and STO Pilates is the one that I chose, what is it? And Stott sst, OTTI think they might have rebranded. Ew, but okay. It's still sort of, it's the same thing. Um, so I, I went through that whole training system and luckily thank God they, they had a place in Portland, so it wasn't very far for me to go, to learn. And I also, I mean, I feel so lucky, honestly, in my life, truly everything that I wanted to do. I've always been able to do. Mm-hmm. And it honestly has come pretty easily. Mm-hmm. Like it's my own self that has gotten in the way of anything. But I mean, there was this place up in Portland, I could go do it. I did all of the training for it and to come back. I never had to look for a job. They, the studio that I went to were like, well have you here. You could teach it. Yeah. And Matt Kosterman: how many hours is the initial training? Like, Janell Riedl: it's, it's, it's so many hundred, yeah. Hundreds of hours. Matt Kosterman: plus studying Janell Riedl: You have to study, practice, observe, you have to take anatomy, and then you have to test out of it. And then, you know, you can be certified in the, like, different, aspects of it, you know, there's like Cadillac chair barrels and there's the reformer, and then there's mat work. And so it's, it just sort of depends on, you know, if you want the full comprehensive certification or each one independently. Okay. Um, and so did Matt Kosterman: do all of them? Mm-hmm. No. Janell Riedl: I ne I, I did, I've done mat and reformer and I have everything. Yeah. And Matt Kosterman: you have the Cadillac Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: reformers and, Janell Riedl: And the stability chairs. And the, the ladder barrel and Matt Kosterman: yeah, she has all kinds of little torture Janell Riedl: I have, I have ev I need it all. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: I have it all. The ove, the ove is, Janell Riedl: I Matt Kosterman: uh, the ove is this Janell Riedl: it was so great. Yeah. Lee. Exactly. It's so great. I, it's, I, so through that, you know, I, I acquired, well, I mean, I started to work at that studio and it was. Awesome. I, I doubled as bartender plus Pilates instructor, and then eventually it took a lot of time to sort of just become a Pilates teacher, you know, because it, it was a pay cut, honestly. Was it? Yeah. I mean, I was making a lot as a bartender and that business is hard to leave, but it was time for me to leave it, and I got comfortable enough to where I could do it, and I was really busy, you know? I mean, it got to the point where I wasn't teaching classes really anymore. I was just teaching pri all privates, all private. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Yeah. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Um, and it was more lucrative for me to do that, just, you know, a little bit. So I, that's also was part of the reason that I chose it. Um, and the woman that owned the studio, I mean, she's. Amazing. We're really close still to this day. She's an amazing human being. Um, but I was working there. I started in 2000 and, and eight, is that when I started 2008. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: yeah. At the Janell Riedl: Yeah. And so I've been teaching, oh my God, 17 years. Jesus. It's a long time. So, but throughout it, you know, I did end up going and, you know, studying in different, uh, avenues and aspects of Matt Kosterman: Yeah. What else did you study? 'cause it's definitely not just straight Pilates that we've been doing. Like Janell Riedl: no, I mean, I, so when I also did want to actually mentor, I had a mentorship kind of thing with one of the elders because I just wanted to know everything about Pilates. And so I like flew out to Western Massachusetts and did that and she was a Jungian psychoanalyst, so she integrated that sort of into the work. Um, and she really, you know, I think in that moment, God, I was probably 35, 36 or something. It was pretty early on. And she was like, you know, I was, I think she was 83 at the time, she said I was 72 when I found my spine. And I was like, fuck. Matt Kosterman: like, I, Janell Riedl: I was, we're not gonna find it now for me, Matt Kosterman: Right. Janell Riedl: I thought it was gonna be a, like that's, Matt Kosterman: why I came Janell Riedl: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt Kosterman: Do I get my money back? Janell Riedl: I was like a little bit, you know, darn it. Um, but I. I realized a lot in that moment that I, this was like a life choice in general, you know, that there was more to it than just, you know, like, what exercises are you going to do in a class, you know, that we're working on a much deeper fundamental level. And then I just started digging and everything that I went to go experience and learn was for my, like, through myself first, you know, I wasn't learning it, like reading a book kind of style. It was, yeah. And very like just throwing myself through the processes of anything and everything that I could possibly get my hands on and just learn from other people. Um, there are some amazing teachers, like such amazing teachers everywhere. Um, and then I got married, got divorced, and. Ended up moving in with a woman who owned the studio that I worked at, and that's really when everything shifted into a much deeper place. And so she is an energy, intuitive, medishaman, you name it, Jack of all trades. Psychic, you know? Yeah. Um, and she, uh, like working with her, studying with her and living with her was like, changed my life and like, it would probably make me teary eyed just to say it like, I'm so grateful. Sure. Um, I went through her mentorship program two years of it. And what did it entail? I mean, everything, it was really diving into, you know, I mean, and I think that is the case with everyone in the world that like we, we can go as far as we're willing to go. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And, and there's always farther Janell Riedl: always harder there. Always, always and forever. Yeah. And so I, that helped sort of begin this even deeper exploration in the things that we connect with, not only with our own intuition, but like, you know, just, you know, psychic abilities. And, you know, I practice like now, like I, I read cards, I read energy, I do energy healing. Um, and that's what I do like for monetary exchange, you know? Um, and you know, aside from, Matt Kosterman: that from, from this Janell Riedl: yeah, from, yeah, it's, she helped facilitate the. The skillset. Sure. Like the curiosity I suppose of, of the skillset. You know, I think that we probably are drawn, I'm, I'm drawn to everything, you know, and so the, the possibilities are endless. But I did focus a little bit more on those kind of specific things. 'cause I just, they just like, car just resonate with me. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's funny, I, I just interviewed somebody yesterday, uh, will have come out before this and, and Dominique and she like the, the. Janell Riedl: the Matt Kosterman: Uh, overarching theme of it was Follow your weird. Janell Riedl: Yeah, totally. Yes. You Matt Kosterman: know? 'cause that is what's gonna differentiate you. That is what you know. Yes. It's only weird 'cause you say it's weird. 100 Janell Riedl: and weird is actually cool. Weird is great. Yeah. Weird is Matt Kosterman: you know, and I, it's no surprise that like, I, I moved here, I found your studio. Janell Riedl: 'cause Matt Kosterman: It's also aligned with my path. Janell Riedl: It gives me goosebumps. Like just even like you saying it. And I knew that too. You know? And I knew you've always been so very open. And I think that is, I know that, that is like the key to, if you're open, you're act, you're limitless. Right. But you have to stay that way. And curious. And then curious. Yeah. And that's, that's it. Like from that you can, you there that really, the possibilities are endless. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Anything is possible. Yeah. Janell Riedl: that Yeah. Place. Matt Kosterman: of, of openness Janell Riedl: Uhhuh. And that's, I think what, you know, started to, it was between that and, you know, I mean, then there's like, you know, so I get certified, I'm teaching and I'm, and I'm teaching classes and I'm fucking nervous and I'm writing down like, what am I gonna teach people today? And I'm reading it off a piece of paper, you know, when I was first teaching classes and I'm like, I can't deviate from this, or I'm gonna have a fucking panic attack. You know, like, this is so scary. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It's gotta be this 1, 2, 3. Exactly Janell Riedl: what I, I have nothing else written down. There's 10 more minutes. What am I gonna do? Like, it was really, really scary. And then, and then it stopped being scary, like the, and working with bodies and then being able to really look at them instead of being held to sort of the script, I guess. Yeah, that's what I find. Matt Kosterman: I find, you know, so amazing about our work together is I walk in and you're like, okay, we're going to do this. Or you've got something planned. Yeah. And then you look at me, you're like, no, let's go over here. Janell Riedl: totally. Yeah. Like, I can have an idea and, and I, and I do, and that's the other thing too, which is what I'm grateful for with all, with the work that I've done and do, is that I'll have it, like, I can, I have a sense, I know when people are gonna cancel. I know, like I can just like tell where people in space is. And so I have an idea already, but it's also not my agenda, you know, like I want, like it's, it's important and the most important that I always am working with somebody what, with what they wanna do and what they're most concerned with. Mm-hmm. Um, Matt Kosterman: not, not some pre prescribed Janell Riedl: Like, I ain't gonna get you in this perfect, like, you know, area of perfection and you must, you know, operate symmetrically. Like, I mean, there's that idea of things being even, but for the most part, where it starts and where it ends is that's, you know, and Matt Kosterman: And Yeah. Janell Riedl: You know, you can do, you can do it wherever. Matt Kosterman: And the, and sort of the, the, the, I mean the core of Pilates is the core. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the deep core muscles. Yeah. I mean, I didn't even know that I actually l lift my arm from my pelvis. Right. Janell Riedl: Until you actually, until you like open your mind to that idea. And that's the other thing too, which is so exciting for me as a teacher, is every single person is so different. And that's why I like teaching private. It's just so, like, I feel the most, like the, I can assist people the most in the way that it's one-on-one and not just, you know, can I teach a group? Of course I can. Matt Kosterman: teaching, you were teaching for, Janell Riedl: I do. Yeah. Yeah. Just one of 'em I do. And Blue Star. Um, properties, and they're the ones who own like Salt Shed and, Matt Kosterman: Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, Janell Riedl: So, but they, they, and I again, would've never, like Elise told me, she was just like, don't leave your studio. Like, don't go to people's houses, don't go, you know, you're, it's just, it's kind of a waste of time, you know? So I kind of like learned that a long time ago, although she wouldn't have, you know, probably say that now. Um, but I never would have left my studio. But the, like, something about it just made me feel called to do it. Matt Kosterman: And Janell Riedl: I love it and I love them. And some of my best friends I've met, like honest, truly like Deep Soul, best friends I've met through doing it who work there. I am so grateful that I get to do that. And so, but other, the majority of it's all private. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I love it. I love being able to, you know, like I feel like I'm a conduit for what this communication line is from whatever is like wanted from their highest good and mind collaborating that to help facilitate that in like a very like, physical way, but you know, spiritual as well. If they're open to it. Like I don't. Matt Kosterman: don't, Janell Riedl: You know, tell people when they walk in like, you better believe this, or you better, like, Matt Kosterman: in the wrong Janell Riedl: got, you got some problems. Did you know like your right hip is really, really gripping and you're definitely afraid of moving forward, like, like nobody wants, you know, like I save that for like the third time or, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Or, or for me. Yeah. Janell Riedl: yeah, exactly. Exactly. No, so it is, it's really, you know, there's a lot to be said that relates to the body and it's, and I get, I'm lucky because, you know, going and working out with somebody one-on-one or working with someone from a physical standpoint, one-on-one, it's a very vulnerable place to like put yourself in. And Matt Kosterman: And that Janell Riedl: is why I love it even more, you know, because it is so you, you start as being open or you wouldn't be here. Right. You know? Matt Kosterman: know? Yeah. And I mean, the work has been profound. I mean, I don't know how many times I've like shook and cried and, you know, energy releasing because there was just so much wound up in there still, you know, we're still working out. Even today there was Janell Riedl: shaking. Yeah, yeah. Matt Kosterman: doing this almost weekly for three years. Yeah. Um, yeah, sometimes more I do other classes. Janell Riedl: Exactly. Right. And now it's like, I guess like from my standpoint now, like the best I feel and the best I could ever hope and want for someone as a teacher is to just give them sort of a toolbox. You know? Like to be able to, to help them deeply understand, see, love, heal, operate, you know, for themselves. Like it's more of like an empowerment, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, Matt Kosterman: can Janell Riedl: I do it for you? I think sometimes people think that I am like that they need me, uhhuh. Right, right, right. But Matt Kosterman: I Janell Riedl: I, I, I get a little bummed by that statement, you know, from, Matt Kosterman: where people are, oh, I need, Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Like, I need you. Like I need you. You're the one that makes me do it. Because it's like, shoot. Right. I'm, I, it's not me. It really isn't. And it, and if you think that, then it's gonna stop at a certain point. Like the growth. The growth. Yeah. No, and for you not to need me would be is the, is great. That's the greatest place, like, having the experience and know, like, feel deeply internally within, within yourself that you, that you have answers to. Perhaps questions you didn't necessarily come in with. You know? I mean, sometimes people come in, why do you come in? Someone told me I've been walking by this place for a year. Um, my girlfriend wants me to do it, whatever it is, you know. Um. But everything happens for a reason. Right? Yeah. So we're we said yes at a certain point. Matt Kosterman: Right. But like Donovan Frank and re likes is saying everything happens for a reason, but if you don't do it, it won't. Right. Janell Riedl: Exactly. Matt Kosterman: I mean, I came to you, I had done, I mean, I had done a lot of work and, and I was working with a chiropractor and the pt, Janell Riedl: a co, Matt Kosterman: know, at, at their place, and I was getting, you know, back adjustments in the beginning, like two, three times a week. Yeah. Um, and it's, you know, it felt good afterward, but these are all big muscles. Janell Riedl: I Matt Kosterman: And if they're out of whack, ain't nobody gonna push 'em back in. Janell Riedl: It's like, you'll get cracked. You know, I, I tell people too, like, if you love your chiropractor and you love to go Matt Kosterman: it's not Yes. This isn't to cut to dig on it, it was just my particular problem. Yeah. Was not gonna be solved. 'cause I, for a year, I went in, I started out very frequent and then I went in kind of weekly and I was going to a PT guy who was just like wrenching me around Uhhuh. And Janell Riedl: it's not really, uh, it can often unfortunately not be a solution. I mean, and that's the case with anything, even a Pilates instructor, you know? Sure. So I think that, you know, it is, it's finding or being open to finding the right person for what you need at, and then that collaborating in the universe. Yeah. And it's like, then you, you know, kind of this perfect storm ensues and then you can try a whole bunch of different shit and because ultimately you're of core and moving about it, and you can go take a class from, you know, so a Pilates teacher that's been trained for three days and it's gonna be just fine Matt Kosterman: right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Janell Riedl: You deeply know how to function, how to move, yeah. Matt Kosterman: how, from from where to Janell Riedl: Exactly. And you'll know, you know, you know, I've got, there was a chiropractor, or there is one that was recommending a lot of people to come see me. And I had never even met her. And she was up on North Avenue, I guess, and I was really, really like, this is amazing. But she must have, you know, connected somehow, maybe through my website. Maybe she just, it was a proximal thing or Matt Kosterman: or had a client that, that was getting better Janell Riedl: Yeah. And she referred a lot of people and I from what they, it's like, you can tell about how like people talk about their, their healers, it, the, like, the good that they're doing for them. And she sounds like a really, really great chiropractor. Matt Kosterman: this chiropractor was great. They were actually the ones that had a standing x-ray. Janell Riedl: Oh, Matt Kosterman: Which is what finally showed my hip imbalance. Yeah. That, that, that was twisted and lifted Janell Riedl: Yes. Matt Kosterman: you could see it from me standing there supposedly straight, Janell Riedl: you are like, but look guys. This one's Matt Kosterman: Yeah. This one's an inch lower. Yeah. Damnit. Janell Riedl: Yeah, that's, it's, it's great. All of it is great. All of the healing modalities really are great. It's just a matter of like, you know, what one wants, I suppose. Um, you know, some people love to go, that feeling of getting cracked is so great. Yeah. That nice. Like, I really love it, but it does, you know, for me it's never stayed. No. You know, it's just like, it's, you know, your bones are in this like sack of muscles and, and shit, and like they can be moved, but they'll be moved back. Especially just from, you know, your emotional existence, all your fascial tissues and whatnot. Right. So, yeah, it's like really understanding and dealing with everything, like on a, well, on a multitude of level. It's like very mind, body, spirit. Nothing is just like one thing, you know, you're not just gonna fix your physicality and like. Still, you know, have all of these problems, Matt Kosterman: still have all these Yeah. All these beliefs that are stopping you. Yeah. You know, and that, you know, that's it. It, it's still, we, we talked about that a bit yesterday, uh, spiritually, like you think that you've gotten to a certain place Yes. And then something shows up and you're like, but, but aren't I more spiritual than that? Aren't I past? You Janell Riedl: the, I thought I was, I thought I, I learned everything that I needed so far. Right. Matt Kosterman: I mean, I used to think that there was actually like Janell Riedl: an ending. Yeah, I know. Matt Kosterman: there was that I was going to get to the Yeah. The end Janell Riedl: be nice? Am I Matt Kosterman: Like, when am I gonna be Janell Riedl: when am I gonna be like, when is the end where I'm awesome happening? I'm, I'm waiting for that. It's like right now. Yeah, it is right now. That's exactly it. Matt Kosterman: we have the hardest time. I still have the hardest time with that Janell Riedl: Oh, same. And I do this. Yeah. I mean, last month I was in the freaking hospital. Yeah. They were like, you dumbass. Guess what that door, Matt Kosterman: In the Janell Riedl: hospital? Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah, 100%. And I was like, ah, another lesson I have to learn again. I thought it was done with these so mad. I mean, and so, but you know, it's always giving you information. The universe, everything always gives you information. Like if you're listening. Yeah. I mean, even if you're not, it'll still give it to you. Right. It's just a matter of what you do with it, you know? Um, yeah, that's, yeah. You never stop learning. Matt Kosterman: No. Janell Riedl: Which is exciting. It's exciting. It's exciting. Matt Kosterman: I mean it, when you embrace it, when you embrace it, it gets a lot Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. I tell people a lot like, 'cause a lot of my tarot clients, I'm like, this is gonna sound morbid, but the, they're like, the good news is we're all dying. Yep. Like, that's truly, like, that's Matt Kosterman: the bodies, the bodies are all dying. Janell Riedl: exactly. Like, so this, like, this is our experience in this lifetime. This is what you've got in this lifetime. So good news is we're all dying. We, we don't know when, you know, for the most part. Like, we don't know when that's gonna happen, but the journey is the point. Uh, and that, and that is, you know, truly it. So what do, what, what is, what's the story you're telling? What do we wanna tell? What do we wanna do? What do we wanna experience? How do we wanna feel? Uh, you know, it. That's, that is it. So pressure's off. You can't do anything wrong, Matt Kosterman: That's what lo Laura's guides love to say. You can't, you can't screw it Janell Riedl: up. Yeah. You can't. Oh Matt Kosterman: it sure feels like I'm screwing it up a lot. Janell Riedl: Isn't that funny? It's so funny to think about that. Like, like to be, you know, like I, I definitely, I mean, I got married, should not have, this was a definitely should not have situation. It was, but I am committed to the bit, if I'm gonna do the thing, I'm doing the thing and I'm gonna see it all the way through. Even though it was not a good idea, it clearly was a good idea because it happened, it happened. So I had to experience it. And Matt Kosterman: what did you learn? Janell Riedl: I learned that marriage for mm, I learned a lot of things. I learned, you know, that ultimately that section of my life, I can see why I got married. 'cause I was around a lot of people that got married and a. I learned, I think ultimately I'm, if I take like three steps back and look at it, that I ultimately didn't love myself and I ultimately didn't know what I wanted and I was purely operating from like a like social surround. Standpoint, I Matt Kosterman: to fit in. I'm, I'm not enough. I can get love here. Yeah. Janell Riedl: like this, it is time for me to get married. Like everyone's getting married. It's time. It's like, you know, the house and the kids and the stuff and the things You did Matt Kosterman: college, you did the Yeah, Janell Riedl: I took the steps, you know, I had got the DUI, I'm changing my, my life. It was Post I, yeah, it was post DUI. So I really was like, like, okay, I'm gonna like do this relationship thing, like a committed relationship thing. And then the person that was standing in front of me was the one that I decided to do it with, not, you know, like actually feeling if I really should do it at all. Sure. Or if the person was resonating with me. Well, it was just. This is, you seem like you would wanna do this too. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You wanna get married? I want to get married Uhhuh. Janell Riedl: So like, let, should we buy a house? Yeah, let's buy a house. Let's enter into domestic partnership, whatever. And then Matt Kosterman: go in debt together. Janell Riedl: Exactly. That was, that was a shit storm. Um. And so, Matt Kosterman: so, but Janell Riedl: but it was real, it was a real shit storm. And it was, it was, I felt my, and because it was bad, it actually was bad. It was a bad relationship, that I, I could feel like, you know, emotionally abusive, physically abusive, that this kind of crap. And so I, I, and I never would've put myself, like, if you think about like, you know, oh, I could never see myself being in a relationship like that. I mean, you just don't know anything at all, ever. Right? But I didn't know that that was gonna happen. And I was in it, and then I could feel my light. Like I, there was one day where I was just like, is this how I'm gonna live the rest of my life? Like it? And then I was like, I gotta get the fuck out of here now. And then. I left Matt Kosterman: And that was out in Oregon. Is that what then brought you Janell Riedl: Chicago. Mm-hmm. That was what brought me into, I lived with a woman who owned the studio. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. And then I went, and then it was like Matt Kosterman: which was, which was perfect. Right. Because you wouldn't, why would you have gone and moved in with her Janell Riedl: I never would have, uh, never in a million, like, like my life is beautiful. As it is, I don't regret anything. Sure. You know, would I do that again with that person? Absolutely not. Yeah. But you know, like I had to, I had to go through it. I, I wouldn't, I don't learn lessons unless they're huge. Um, clearly. And so I was living with her. Everything just was like amplified, energetically amazing. And I was really getting myself to the point where I was like, I really want to move. I need to get out of this town. I knew I wanted to open my own studio, and I didn't, I knew I didn't wanna compete. Like that wasn't about me competing with her. I didn't wanna do that. I, I didn't, I love her with all of my heart. And, I didn't, and I wanted to leave Eugene, I wanted to leave there. And so I would like open myself up to the universe to, you know, really listen to where I should go. And back here. It was on the short list anyways, but this was the spot and sight unseen. I signed the lease for that place. Like I didn't, I didn't look at it. I had my, like, I basically moved in, scheduled the delivery of my equipment and was ready to be open in about four days. Wow. And then I, and then COVID happened. Matt Kosterman: and then COVID hit. Yeah. Janell Riedl: Which was wild too. But ultimately I knew everything was gonna be okay. Yeah. And even though there were some times where I'm like, I better get like this better change soon. 'cause I don't know I'm gonna pay for Matt Kosterman: gotta eat. Janell Riedl: Yeah, exactly. Matt Kosterman: exactly. Janell Riedl: Like Uhoh. But Matt Kosterman: it showed up. Janell Riedl: It shows up. It always does. If you make room for it and you don't, put it in a like, like parameter box. Yeah. Line. Like you can't describe it. You can't expect it in a certain way. But if you create space. It will show Matt Kosterman: up. It will show up. Janell Riedl: It really will. And really, you know, and fear is your worst enemy. Like that's the worst thing that you could possibly invest any time at all into. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. But it's so programmed. I mean, Janell Riedl: so Matt Kosterman: and it's, it's like innocent, you know? No, uh, Jessa Reed talks about she's a podcaster and a comedian and, in intuitive, and she talks about, you know, you gotta do deep nervous system work Janell Riedl: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: to, to shift to get out of that fight or flight. Yeah. Janell Riedl: Yep. You do. Matt Kosterman: not, you can't think your way out of it. No. Because it's a body Janell Riedl: It is a body thing. It's a total body Matt Kosterman: It's amygdala, it's low level. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think, you know, the, the Pilates for me has been, I won't say like a huge part of that, but it's definitely been a part of, of that reset. Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: You know, 'cause these muscles, everything was so twisted and pulling and the overcompensating and Yeah. The body just on fire. Yep. Janell Riedl: And I think for like, it's a real, like, tangible way in some ways to sort of work through things, you know? Yeah. I think that that is why Pilates I think is so great and why I feel for you, it really works. It, it's, it's like things just kind of keep spinning and like you're moving. Yeah. And they keep going, you know? And it, we're moving forward and we're, I mean, Matt Kosterman: We're not, it's not we're, it's not like I'm going back to the same stuff Janell Riedl: every week. Never. Right. Have you? I don't, we've, I don't, we've never gone Matt Kosterman: thing that was really, that I'm really grateful for that was useful, and I want to have somebody on the show about, this is TRE, which is trauma release. Uh, I can't think of the TRE, they are the initials TRA trauma release exercises. Yeah. And it was that training and I only did, I did one session, comfy Fitness. Kira Elliot is the, is the woman and her partner, Carrie. Carrie was actually the cert, the one certified in training it. And you, you, stress out your lower trunk, your, your lower your legs, your hamstrings, you do stretches for 10 or 15 minutes, in order to, you know, like wall sits and different things. Yeah. To stress out your, your backside. Yeah. And then you end up going into what you like, sort of butterfly with your feet on the ground, you're laying on your back. Right. Your legs are open and they start shaking because you've stressed them out. Like so, but it amplifies the shaking. Right. And you can have, I don't know that I ever had, I, I had not super profound releases, but there was enough there. I think I had cried one time. Things just start shaking like, you're so as muscle is just flopping around. Mm-hmm. Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And so I knew from that to when I'm with you Right. To let go. Janell Riedl: Yeah. You are so good at that. Matt Kosterman: just knew when something starts shaking, I lean into the shaking. I want it to shake more. Janell Riedl: Yes, Matt Kosterman: Because I know that it's releasing Janell Riedl: uhhuh, Matt Kosterman: uhhuh. Whereas I, I, I may have, without that training, been like, oh, I Janell Riedl: Oh. Like, I gotta stop it. I'm weird. What's going on? Yeah, totally. Matt Kosterman: anybody who's out there thinking about Pilates or doing Pilates, lean into the shake. Janell Riedl: Absolutely. Like, like really. And, but you're right. And you never, you, which is so great, you never have apologized for it. Like a lot of people will are like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Or, oh, my, like, and I'm just, why? Like, there's no reason Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And I, you know, I, I credit actually the landmark training for that. It's like, you don't apologize for anything unless you hurt somebody. Janell Riedl: Right. Right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: you know, it's just, even I see that it's a, it's sort, it's not a pet peeve, but I, it's a noticing thing. Like if I am, if I am in somebody's way, I'll say, excuse me. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: I'm not sorry for being in their way. I just ended up in their way and I say, excuse me. And people of, you know, 80% of the time, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There's, I'm sorry. There's, you don't have nothing to be sorry about. Janell Riedl: No, no, that's so true. That's so true. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You just, we, we bumped into each other. You came around the corner, you didn't know I was here. You didn't like, you didn't do it on purpose. Exactly. Right. Janell Riedl: Yeah. That's so true. Yeah. That, Matt Kosterman: what I credit for. Janell Riedl: love that. Yeah. That's been, you know, and I don't think, like for me, when I, because I would work on do like, hands-on things Yeah. And work on with That's amazing. Yeah. With, with people. I, you know, it's, there are people that are really open and to doing that. I mean, most of the people that I work with, I'm, I'm never shoving anyone past where they are open to going. But I, or not intentionally by, you know, obviously by any means, but, you know, it's. If we can open ourselves up as, as you very much do, like the poss, like even with that, the possibilities are endless. Like, you know, you, you are like the body doing that is sort of like neurologically letting go. Like releasing. Mm-hmm. I mean even emotionally, spiritually. Sure too. And as well as, you know, kind of reprogramming, sort of like the shakes are different like with how they work. Yeah. There it's either a letting go shake or a reprogramming kind of shake. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I mean, you were working on my solar plexus that one day that was nutty. Yeah. There was like hissing Janell Riedl: know. Crazy Matt Kosterman: shit going on. Janell Riedl: Uhhuh. Yeah. And that was like, you know, super energetic, but that is around you, you know, that, that energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very, Matt Kosterman: was, it was like, yeah, let me out. Uh, Janell Riedl: Uhhuh and, and very, and like protecting, but like a guard of sorts too. Um, but also like, you know, like a, like a spiritual connection as well, you know, like I feel like, you know, do I like the word spirit animal? Uh, sure. I'll use it. Matt Kosterman: mean, yeah. It was dragon energy. It was very serpentine. Mm-hmm. It was very, and and it's been my work to open the solar plexus. 'cause that's the seed of our will. And my God, if I could just let go of that will Janell Riedl: I know, right? Like surrender, Matt Kosterman: Surrender. Surrender. Come on, you let it go. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah. And that, you know, manifests in how, you know, we or, uh, you know, sort of prescribes how we move, how we're not willing to move, like what muscles, you know, function and don't function, you know? Oh Matt Kosterman: Oh yeah. My whole life I walked head forwards, chest forward. Right. Like almost falling over, Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. You know, and so we wonder why those hip hips, like, Matt Kosterman: flexors, Janell Riedl: we're just driving on, they're like, we've had a lot of time doing that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. A lot of years Janell Riedl: Uhhuh. Matt Kosterman: Um, just, yeah, just always, you know, head down Yeah. Going, yeah. Janell Riedl: And so it is to, to settle in and to let go. It's like, you know, I say it often, but I'm sure you know, I know you know, it, letting go is much more difficult than. Matt Kosterman: than holding on in the short term. Janell Riedl: Totally. It's, it's, that is the such a challenge Yeah. For everyone really, you know? But it's, Matt Kosterman: mean, yeah. Over here. David Hawkins has a whole book called Letting Go. Janell Riedl: that's, that's so funny. Matt Kosterman: of pages of letting Janell Riedl: Exactly. Matt Kosterman: Just let go. Janell Riedl: Don't, yeah. Oh, I see it. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yellow. Yeah. Letting Janell Riedl: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It's so funny. Uhhuh. Janell Riedl: Wow. Yes. I mean, it, it really, it's true. It's, it's difficult. Letting go is difficult. And, you know, I, I don't know if you have ever, I read this book, by Byron Katie. Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh, the Work. Yeah. Janell Riedl: Yeah. So that was like, you know. Earlier on in my like early thirties, I read that and I was like, that also was kind of a pivotal moment of just like deep and like question and, and really, like, for me that was, Matt Kosterman: this, is this really true? Right. What else could be true? Janell Riedl: Yes, yes. And just being able to question everything as and, and completely be able to, to workshop things really fast and quickly. Like I really did that work. And so with that, I think helped me, Matt Kosterman: be, Janell Riedl: and of course I'm, I'm a human being. Fear comes in, but I am so much more now able to not operate from a place of fear. At least I can switch out of it quickly. Mm-hmm. Because of Matt Kosterman: it shows up. Janell Riedl: up. Yeah. Yeah. But I can. Shift out much more quickly because of that. Which I think really, if you are wanting to dare I say like expand, you know, elevate, you know, it's like a being in a video game level up. Do I get to go the next level? Right? Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Janell Riedl: Like that ability to really like kind of work with that and, and let go and, and let go of your fear. I mean, we have an ego. An ego is part of what makes us human. We're not meant to just not have an ego. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I mean, it comes up a lot in the psychedelic work. Like I want, you know, ego death and whatever. Like, but, but you're a human. But your walk, your ego's, your personality. You're walking around with that every day. It's certainly useful to see things, but Yes. You don't, you can't kill it off. No. And, and you don't. Nor do you really want to. No, but, but it's nice. It's really nice when it, Janell Riedl: Yeah. I gotta shove it. Yeah. I gotta shove it in the back there. Like, Matt Kosterman: you just watch from back Janell Riedl: for a minute. Yeah. Right, right. We're not, you're not actually that important at all. Like, none of like, I'm not important, you know, it's just a matter of, of what am I doing with this circle around, you know, like this lifetime, whatever. Yeah. This time around. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: I mean, it's the, you know, we talked about it, I talked about it in the last episode. It's the, the, the throne has to give up. It's queen Janell Riedl: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: But we've been, every, all of our programming. Is around fight, go dig in. So important, you know Yeah. Exert your will. Yes. Especially for men. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Oh, 100%. Especially for men. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You know, a little bit less so for women, but it's been Janell Riedl: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: balance is tipping. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Absolutely. Matt Kosterman: So what else, what else have you liked, has, has been useful besides Pilates, besides, uh, Byron Katie's work. What, what else have you Janell Riedl: I mean the, the energy work that I've done with Elise was the, in her living with her and her mentorship program Matt Kosterman: Okay. Janell Riedl: insanely Matt Kosterman: is she still teaching? Mm-hmm. Janell Riedl: Yeah. She just did a, a dream workshop in, no, she actually lives in Taos right now, Taos, New Mexico. Um, and she was just in Spain, Myorca, doing a, dream workshop there with some other Matt Kosterman: lucid dreaming. Janell Riedl: I not sure. That's a really great question. Um, I maybe interpretating Okay. Dreams, I think, or I believe, and, you know, so, and we. Exchange a lot with each other via Zoom, kind of trade energy sessions, talk about things, sort of whatever's coming up, for us. So it's like ongoing. Matt Kosterman: read for yourself, Janell Riedl: Right. Right. Matt Kosterman: It doesn't Janell Riedl: Right. Matt Kosterman: ego is there. Uhhuh wanting to hear what it wants to hear. I've even with muscle testing, I even get, you know, tripped up Janell Riedl: Totally. Even same with tarot cards. It's like I'm trying to use this external thing. I also use a pendulum when I read tarot cards, even for other people, just because I'm trying to really stay like the most out of it I can possibly be. But you know, it's like, you know, there's this spark in your head that's like, oh, okay. Like this is what it's about. Matt Kosterman: Right. May maybe Janell Riedl: I don't know. I need someone else to do it. Right. Yeah. So we, we do, read for each other still and she's incredible. She's, she still does work. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Janell Riedl: You know, very much so. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And that's so interesting that the, because the, the tarot ties into a lot of Jungian themes Yeah. With shadow and the, the archetypes of the cars. Right. And the major arcana. Yep, Janell Riedl: exactly. And like working through that in life, you know? Um, you, like I was, when I was, it's so great. When I was talking, her name's Mary Bowen, the, the, Mary, yeah. The Pilates elder that I was kind of mentoring with. Um, she was talking about, you know, like it's, I don't know what they call it in, in. In Jungian psychoanalyst world, but, uh, you know, people know it as like a Myers-Briggs test. Okay. You know, so there's that like little punt square of these. You're an introvert or you're an extrovert and you've Yeah, exactly. And it's, it's got that element to it. And the whole idea with that is that, you know, we start out our life either being, you know, more of an introvert or an extrovert, right. And then two of the things we're stronger in whether it's like sensing, judging, feeling, thinking, right. And. But we're meant to be whole. Right. This the whole shebang. We have all of it. Yeah. And the, the idea of the midlife crisis comes about because, you know, somewhere in our middle life, whenever that 10, you know, is for each person, the rest of the square is kind of filling out. Okay. And the midlife crisis happens because we're sort of resisting what is Ah, right. What Matt Kosterman: wants to be Janell Riedl: Yes, exactly. Yes. Is to be this, this full thing. And so if you want to embrace it. You know, it'd be more comfortable to embrace it. Right. You Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Let's blow it all up. Janell Riedl: exactly. Exactly. Um, you would spend, you know, if you started out as an extrovert, spend more time kind of in being an introvert and sort of develop the wholeness of it. Um, or you could buy a Corvette and resist the whole thing and, you know, stay we'll see. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: No, I love that. I, yeah, I always thought of myself as an ex extrovert and it was sort of at that midlife crisis and all of that, that I'm much, you know, I realized actually, no, I need, and it's only really lately that I realized, like I, I'm not, I mean, I can do the extrovert thing, but man, I need to go recharge uhhuh I am fine to be by myself. Totally. And Janell Riedl: And so that's serving you like Yeah. You know, and for you to be able to feel, you know, like all of, like, to develop all of the things, you know. 'cause I would probably peg you to be somebody who's more of a thinker, you Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, oh yeah. A hundred percent in my head. Janell Riedl: petty person, you know? So to feel is like, Matt Kosterman: still trying to Yeah. Feel what's Janell Riedl: in life. Yeah, yeah. When Matt Kosterman: things come up. Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Um, so, Matt Kosterman: and not resist them. I mean, even just, uh, today I was chatting with Laura about, you know, kids leaving home Yeah. And, and, uh, you know, started to feel emotional. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And it was like, okay, well I'm just gonna cry. Janell Riedl: Yeah. And, and I don't have to name it, it's just what is happening Matt Kosterman: to come through me. Yep. Um, but man, that is like some, that's some hard programming to overcome. Yeah. Because growing up I either stopped crying or I got something to cry about. Right. Right. So you learn pretty quickly, stop crying, Janell Riedl: And so it's a lot more fun. Right. And then like, where does that go? Matt Kosterman: where does it go? Where does that energy go? In the body? Janell Riedl: It's stored, you know, until you're willing to cry sometime. Yeah. Um, so you Same. I'm Matt Kosterman: or an, you know, anger, same thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and I don't even never, Janell Riedl: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: don't even, I don't even, again, still to this day with all the work I've been, I don't even often know when I'm angry. Yeah. Like, I don't know that it's anger that's brewing under Janell Riedl: that. Right, right. Matt Kosterman: causing me to be in whatever state. Yes. Sort of disequilibrium that I'm in. And so when I do get present to it, sometimes I go pound a pillow or I'll silence scream, you know, or something. 'cause it just wants to move through the body. Janell Riedl: That's it. Matt Kosterman: There's nothing wrong with the Janell Riedl: No, none of it. There's nothing wrong with any of it. The, the, the part that doesn't serve us is the storage. Storage. Yeah. That's the, the little storage is, that's Matt Kosterman: the part That's rough. Yeah. And Janell Riedl: that will, you know, and that is rough for, you know, each individual, but you know, as a teacher, working with someone, you know, from a physical standpoint that, you know, those are the things that I see is storage. Matt Kosterman: where it's Yeah. Where they're holding Janell Riedl: Yeah. Yeah. And, Matt Kosterman: And so much of it is in the core, is in the pelvis. Mm-hmm. I mean, how many muscles come together in that? Like, Janell Riedl: so many. I mean, Matt Kosterman: Half of 'em, like Janell Riedl: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it's, especially even from like a, my fascial standpoint, you know, there's everything that crosses through the body and like, you know, I don't, there's like Sure. Anatomy trains is one. I, I believe they say there's like 27. I could be wrong with that. 'cause I haven't studied, you know, deeply anatomy trains. Um, but it's dissectable tissue that connects throughout the entirety of the body. Yeah, yeah. Matt Kosterman: the body. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. I'm trained in the myofascial stuff. Yeah. Janell Riedl: You so, you Matt Kosterman: I've had massive unwinding Yeah. Where the fascia has let go, Janell Riedl: is, you know, it, it come, it certainly passes through the core, you Matt Kosterman: All the, yeah. The crisscrossing stuff from the shoulders. Yeah. Yeah. Janell Riedl: So, you know, if you can move your fingernails with your core, with your Matt Kosterman: I know Janelle's always telling me to like, stretch the skin on my fingernails. I'm like, but there isn't teddy Janell Riedl: Like, what do you mean? Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's really, it's wild. You know, I think that, leaning more into, you know, for me, going from a teacher that had to follow a sheet of paper, and getting into the space where I'm at now, where there is no paper at all, you know, really truly is that, and the, the thing that that makes it successful is never like doubting, you know, like the, like doubting what Matt Kosterman: the, the thing shows up. You have a, you have a thought about what Yes. Janell Riedl: Yeah, I have it. I just feel it, like immediately I can feel it and I don't question it. Like that is the success of it. And I, for, for myself and I know would be for other people, just in general. Like, you know, if, if there is a feeling, if you have a feeling like if you can move from that, trust it. Yeah. That's like, that's the way to go, man. It really is. Matt Kosterman: that's, yeah, because the wisdom is in, Janell Riedl: it. Totally. Is it ex it it exists. And esp you know, the more open that you are to being able to, you know, listen, feel, hear, you know, be present. As you said, when you're present, you can feel the anger, right? Like it's, that's where it shows up. It's always there. It's just a matter of like, can do it. Yeah. Can Matt Kosterman: the, the other thing that I think is, you know, is fascinating, and I don't know that everybody's present to this, is the fact that like, so much of what goes on in your body originates at the core. Yeah. And so, you know, for ages I had like neck problems Janell Riedl: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: this tight, you know, shoulder stuff from carrying cameras and, but it was, it, we didn't, we did some, some work on the shoulders, but ultimately it was, it was strengthening stuff and rebalancing stuff in the core Yes. That allowed that zigzaggy ping ponging stuff that was going on up the spine to go away. Yeah, Janell Riedl: absolutely. Yep. It's, it's crazy, you know, it's, it's layers and, and people respond differently to different things too. So it's like, you know, you're, you're an, I'm not gonna call you easy. Matt Kosterman: Come on. I'm cheap too. Janell Riedl: Yes. But you are. S you are so open that you're, you're an easy fix, dare I say, fix in quotes. Um, because you are so open and you, and you do unwind and that you're, you're available for the woowoo queuing mm-hmm. And ideas, you know, so it's like the idea that, that you could move your fingernails with your core. Like you're not looking at that, or, or hearing that from me and being like, what is she talking about? Like, this is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You're like, you, it it, whether you feel it yet or not, you're open to the idea of it. Sure. And so with that too, it, you know, things become much more accessible Yeah. And able to unwind and to, you know, kind of like reprogram, I guess. For Matt Kosterman: sure. Janell Riedl: You know, as far as muscular neurological. Standpoint goes, you know? Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So, for, for somebody who is interested in getting into Pilates Janell Riedl: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: as a practice, what, you know, there's, there's obviously private lessons. Yeah. There's smaller groups, there's larger groups, there's Floor, there's Mat, Pilates. How do you, what, what's, how do you recommend somebody Janell Riedl: to, to get into like where to go and do it? Yeah, I mean, so, you know, I always tell people too, 'cause I've had clients who move. I moved from Oregon, you know, it's, and I go all over the place. When I, when I vacation, I take Pilates where I go. I just, I love other teachers, you know, it is. It's important if you care to use it in a way that can be Hmm. Life changing. Um, that you look at something like when you're, when you're looking online, you know, that's where we go or walk by. Yeah. Um, when you're looking that if, if something is speaking to you to listen, but if you, you know, can't even get to that space yet, just from an actual standpoint of like, you know, has this person trained in Pilates, like, like if they're not, if they're just saying that they're, you know, whatever studio down the street, like they've started working there, two, you know, right. Two months ago or whatever, and are teaching, it might not be the most life changing. I mean, it will be an experience, but looking for somebody who's got some longevity to their teaching career. Sure. And. Matt Kosterman: Sure. And who's, who's taught, who's learned through somebody through the Pilates Janell Riedl: link. Yeah. It's like, you know, there's classical Pilates, which is, you know, through the elder system, but then, you know, there's some reputable companies. I probably will miss one, but there's PMI, Pilates Mind Institute. I don't know if that's true. Um, balanced body. Um, there is, where I, you Matt Kosterman: said Mar Janell Riedl: through EW or Stock Pilates is a, is a big system. Um, there's, there's five or six. I know I'm Matt Kosterman: but then it, so, and then as far as, what's your recommendation to start with a group to start? I mean, 'cause it it can, it's expensive. Janell Riedl: it's expensive. Matt Kosterman: I often get that. Yeah. But I'll, I mean, for personally, it's, it's cheap. Yeah. Compared to my alternative. Right, Janell Riedl: right. And, and I Matt Kosterman: not being able to carry my cameras and work. I mean, it's hundred percent it's driven. It drives what I do. Janell Riedl: Yeah. I, I feel that, and I totally understand that for people too. It is. I mean, that's why I started teaching. I'm like, I can't afford this shit anymore. Um, and so, but I, I is a group class. Good. It can be really great. It can, like, there are really, really amazing teachers. You know, I, I definitely recommend working with somebody privately for a couple, A couple, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the best way, you know? And then to really feel and listen when you're, when you're doing it, you know, I mean, it's, if somebody isn't chirping to you, just like, okay, now you're gonna put your hand down by your hip and, you know, crunch up like that. That's not a real great. QQ Yeah. You know, but if people are, you know, kind of talking a little more Matt Kosterman: the breathing Janell Riedl: breathing, the breathing is everything. Yeah. That's really what connects you to your center. Yeah. Right. Um, your breathing can open up kind of channels and facilitate your ability to really actually access your deep core muscles. So it's, it's the ability to really be open, but also to, you know, it's not, there's never a bad Pilates class, but there might be a different teacher that works better, you know, Matt Kosterman: Yeah. So it's, yeah. So like anything, don't, don't necessarily give up if Janell Riedl: totally. If Matt Kosterman: If you're not resonating with the first one. Exactly. Um, and then I've, I've heard it said that, maybe you said it, that like the mat, Pilates, Pilates on the ground is you almost, you do the, it's almost more advanced. Yeah. Like you, you want to do the some reformer work Yeah. To be able to get the right things strong. Yeah. Janell Riedl: To be able to do mat, I mean, it's just you and your body for the most part. On mat, traditionally Mat is cheaper. Is a cheaper option. Um, in like a group? Yeah. In a group class. But it is, people tend to not like it as much because it's usually more difficult. Okay. You know, so they're very different animals, like completely different things, but they're also like the foundation is the same. Okay. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Yeah. I know for me, like I, I, I haven't tried in a while, but I could, I, I couldn't get my hip flexors to shut off. Totally. And so when I'm holding my legs up and leg Janell Riedl: Like, this is a nightmare. It's just a Matt Kosterman: making it, it's making it worse. 100%. Janell Riedl: Yeah. So I like, and that's, that's where like the reformer's more supportive. It offers resistance, but offers Matt Kosterman: support and Janell Riedl: Yeah. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: Incredible Isolation. I mean, a hundred percent. Yeah. Just the three different places or four different places you can put your feet. Yeah. On the bar, Janell Riedl: It's crazy. Like what you can feel. Yeah. Yeah. It's so great. So, Matt Kosterman: then, so, and, and I didn't, I actually didn't know you did energy work and reading, so that's also, and that's available in person or online? Janell Riedl: Yeah, I do 'em both. Both, yeah. I've got some clients that are in Europe, all over the states. Um, but it's, it's been just another thing, like, you know, that like if you open up for it, like it happens, it is something that has happened by talking by word of mouth. Like all my whole clientele has really come from that. Um, I really firmly believe if, if someone, if it's needed, if it's like, if that's the time and place and space, like it will happen. It happens. Yeah. It shows up. So, you know, I don't, I haven't advertised for it. I don't have a website for my, you know, like the energy work. It's hap Matt Kosterman: they just find Janell Riedl: mm-hmm. Other, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and can, you know, text me and, and book with that too. It's, I, I read, do tarot readings sort of differently. I don't just do cards. I can't, so I do like a clearing, I tap into someone energetically ahead of time and, and write down everything that comes in. Okay. And then I, and I do that multiple times, before they come in. And then I also like. Prera the card. So I have all the information before someone comes in without, you know, like, and usually I, I haven't met them. Um, but I, you know, obviously have repeat people too. So I'm picking up whatever's coming, like whatever's here now and sort of needing to be like, worked on, quote unquote, or whatever the energy or the higher powers that be are sort of calling for. And then there, there's always the time is is open. So like I tell all of this information, but whatever questions come out of it, whatever, you know, anything like, we can draw more cards. You might have had an idea of a question. I don't know what that is. You know, could have been answered and usually is with what comes up, you know, from when I'm kind of pre-drawing into it. But I like to have it all, because it just feels. Deeper to me. Yeah. You know, like I feel like that's more than just like Matt Kosterman: sort of, you're doing your Janell Riedl: Yeah. Like a party. Yeah. It's not a party trick. Right. Like, you know, which I think sometimes tarot can be like, and it is fun to do parties for sure, but it's like, it's more of a, uh, this tangible thing that we can see together of what is being called in for someone. Um, the stuff that I tap into, you know, sort of is, is a preliminary introduction to what the cards say. They're not usually different, they just sort of, the information evolves a little bit. Got Matt Kosterman: it, got Janell Riedl: And I've just found that for me, really is something that works Matt Kosterman: Well, obviously if you have, you have clients all over the world Janell Riedl: Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's Matt Kosterman: great. And do you, and, and you see, you get visions too. Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I, and I hear, yeah, and I have, and I, you know, there's, I've had clients where I wouldn't say that I'm, you know, like I'm a medibut I wouldn't say that. I'm not, like if things are coming through, if there's people that I've crossed over that want to speak mm-hmm. Um, I am, I wouldn't, I'm not channeling them. I can hear them and they can show me things. Okay. Um, but I'm not speaking for them. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Not like a, I mean, Paul Salad calls himself a medium. Medium for the living. Yes. Who can channel people's higher self. He will get people who have crossed, but usually right before they've Janell Riedl: Oh, interesting. Yeah. He Matt Kosterman: said he doesn't usually get 'em on the other side. Janell Riedl: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Matt Kosterman: and Laura will bring people through from the other side, but it's not like what she does. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Yeah. I just side gig who, that's what, that's what they do. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: tune into that particular Janell Riedl: frequency. Yes, yes. I, that is not like, if they wanna come in and sometimes they do, like for people, like, I will, like, I don't know who the people are and then I tell them and they're like, oh, Matt Kosterman: you're like, who's Eloise? Janell Riedl: Yeah, Matt Kosterman: like, oh, grandma or whatever. Yeah. Janell Riedl: So I can, I can, I can, I feel that too. If it's, if it's, if it comes through, it comes through. I don't stop anything. I just am like, I don't know what any of this means. There's shapes, there's doorways, there's, you know, you know, I know because I've done this for so long that there's kind of metaphors, you know, so it's, it's sort of an idea. And sometimes the idea is a message for me, and sometimes it's the message for them. And that's why I don't ever like, stop the information and always convey whatever it is because. It might make more sense to you. I can tell you what it means for me traditionally, but you might have a different connection to it. That's, Matt Kosterman: and that might, that might help with the interpretation. 'cause you're gonna be like, oh yeah, that makes sense in this context. Exactly. Janell Riedl: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So that's like what comes through. And I can, and I do that either remotely or i'll, if I put my hands on somebody, I can Matt Kosterman: then you really? Janell Riedl: Mm-hmm. That's like, whoa, Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh Janell Riedl: Uhhuh. Yeah. So it's, it's both either or both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. I'm like, this is, it's, I'm honored, truly honored. You know? I mean, it's really, it is. It's not me. I'm just, at this point, I'm getting decent at getting out of the way. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: a radio. Yeah. You're a, you're a tuning Janell Riedl: forward Matt Kosterman: a radio, whatever. Yeah. Uh, Paul likes to say he's a stenographer. Janell Riedl: Oh, cool. That's cool. Matt Kosterman: He's just a Yeah. Yeah. Because he's like, it's like you're not, you're not the guru. Janell Riedl: No, no, no, no. Yeah, and I think that that's. Interesting. Um, you know, I think people can mix that up a Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And give their, they want people, we want to give our power away. We've been trained to give our power away. Yeah. Uh, it's, it's what society does. Yeah. It's how it trains us. Yeah. Look to look to an expert. Yeah. Yeah. Janell Riedl: Absolutely. That's true. And, and even just, you know, I've had clients, they're like, oh my gosh, you're so amazing. You know, it's, I, of course I'm thankful, you know, it's like, yes. It's, it's not me though, you Matt Kosterman: I mean, but you've done, you've done the work Yeah. To be able to be a clearing Janell Riedl: Yes. And so that I'm proud of. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I never want to dishonor that. Matt Kosterman: as if you're efforting it. Janell Riedl: Right, exactly. Like I didn't do it. I'm not like, I'm not, I'm, I didn't, I didn't do it. I so Matt Kosterman: many, so many things. I mean, I think if you go back to like, what is it, Francis Crick and the other, the gentleman who discovered DNA, the, the structure of the dna, like they, they literally came to one of them on an LSD trip. Janell Riedl: That's insane. Matt Kosterman: Was was where they got the, the helic, the double helix Janell Riedl: from? Yeah. Wow. Matt Kosterman: it was, you know, certainly they were in, in the field and doing all of this research. Right. You know, but whose thoughts are they? Right, Janell Riedl: right, right. Yes. Exactly. Matt Kosterman: the shoulders of giants. Yes. Janell Riedl: I mean, all we are really is just, I mean, available for information Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. We're all, we're all just radios. Yeah. Yeah. Janell Riedl: yeah. Yeah. That's, so that's, Matt Kosterman: it's sort of like, where do you tune your radio Exactly. Um, yep. Or you look at, like, lately we've talked about, you know, David Byrne talking heads and just, just watching the, to me, I just see this channeling of this divine, I mean, certainly there's been talent that's been developed, right, right. And you gotta learn how to play the guitar. You gotta learn the mechanics of it. But just like, you know, I'm never gonna throw a fastball like this, you know, Tani. Right. It wouldn't matter how much I trained. Right. Right. I'm never gonna sing like David Byrne. I'm never gonna sing and dance and play all at the same time. Right. Janell Riedl: exactly. It's just like there that he's very much doing what he's meant to do, meant Matt Kosterman: do, what he's meant to do. And we all are. Yeah. And I think that's what, you know, I know I lose sight of the fact that every day I'm doing what I'm meant to be doing. Janell Riedl: a really good, that's a good point. You know, I, I think that's, that is hard to remember. Matt Kosterman: Because people aren't throwing money at Janell Riedl: me. Yeah. Right. Just for walking around being myself. Right. Matt Kosterman: right. I mean, you know, when I take their pictures, they, they, they throw some money Janell Riedl: Right. Right. Matt Kosterman: but I've, you know, and, but I'm blessed to have a, a gift Right. Of being able to capture people in a particular way. And I have done training Yes. As well. Right. I mean, I developed it. So you've, you have a gift for this and you've done training. Yes. And it's, and it's divine. Yeah. Yeah. Janell Riedl: I'm so grateful. Yeah. Guys, y'all, Matt Kosterman: Y'all all, y'all Janell Riedl: y'all. Matt Kosterman: Well this has been great. I'm so glad we did it. Me too. Thank you for coming over. I love doing 'em in person. Yeah. Janell Riedl: This is fun. Yeah. You have Matt Kosterman: I mean, I'll doing space. What's that? You have Janell Riedl: space. Thank Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I'm very lucky we talked about that. Yeah, Janell Riedl: That's great. Matt Kosterman: Um, and I'll put the contact info, especially for people in the Chicago area who. I hesitate to do it 'cause it's gonna make your schedule even harder to get in. Janell Riedl: I might gatekeep Matt Kosterman: I might, I might, I might not tell anybody where to find you. Janell Riedl: Nevermind. Matt Kosterman: I'm gonna erase the references to the name of your company, but Janell Riedl: As a matter of fact, I'm deleting her name. That's right. Out of it. Just, Matt Kosterman: is great. Go find somebody. Janell Riedl: fun. Good luck. Good Matt Kosterman: Good luck. Good luck. No. Um, so thank you. Thank you. Janell Riedl: That's been amazing. Yeah. Yay. Matt Kosterman: And we're done. Janell Riedl: Yay.