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Episode 14_ Cultivating friendship through SPIRE · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Boom boom boom boom boom bum bum bum boom bum
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  bum bum bum bum boom boom boom bum bum bum. Hi,
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  welcome back to another Spire podcast episode. Thank you for
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  joining us.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Fulton, my name is Nick, and my
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  name is Michael.
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  Speaker 1: And today what we are talking about, first of all
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  Spire of course, how that's going in our lives, what
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  we're doing, what's been some recent since the last episode,
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  Spire activities, you know. But then today's episode is going
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  to be how Spire has helped us to cultivate friendships
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  and especially our friendship with each other and with other
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  people in our lives. And then why that is a
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  good thing. And it's going to be our take on
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  on that top. So any opening comments, I'll so then
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  the opening question, all right, guys, and we should yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good thing, all right, huh, we have to do the
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  daily Spired thing.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, okay, Father.
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  Speaker 1: Son, Holy Spirit, become, Holy Spirit be with us in
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  this conversation, bless all of our listeners. Help us to
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  have a conversation that brings you into everything that we
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  talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Amen, Amen, Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well I'll start us off. Get that out
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  of the way real quick. Let's see. This was two
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  days ago Friday, I think Saturday. What I did for spiritual,
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  what I've been doing is I was able to go
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  to Mass in the morning, which was nice, and I
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  prayed to Rosary and then I I have been reading
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  a book by Saint Therez, The Story of the Soul.
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  Speaker 4: That's a one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So and then I had a cool thing where I was.
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  I was I had to go somewhere. This was Sunday,
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  I think, yeah, but it kind of plays in spiritual.
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  I was going to a friend's house, but I was
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  at one place and I was like, I don't want
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  to drive all the way home then go all the
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  way there. So I was like, I'll stop at ICD
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  the church. I stop there, It's locked. Like great, that's locked,
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  So I walk away. I texted Shoon Deneen. I'm like,
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  do you happen to know the And then this random
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  guy pulls up and he walks up to the church
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  and I was like, are you going in there? And
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  he goes, yeah, do you want to get inside? And
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  I was like yes, and his name is Jacob. We
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  go inside. He kneels down, he shows me what the
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  code is and then he leaves. He was an angel. Anyway,
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  that was a cool story.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. You just like shut up, let you in
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  and left.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird cool yep.
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  Speaker 1: So always looking out for me. Tell you what physical,
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  I've been doing leg workouts because my knee hurts massively,
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  but I know that I could be doing better. I
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  don't do any pushups, and I've said that I was
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  going to do that, but I have not been doing that.
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  But I will start continuing to do that. I'm still
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  continuing the basic stuff. And then for intellectual, I was
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  listening to a podcast, and then relational, spending time with
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  the family, especially conversations I was having with my dad
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  and my mom. And then evangelical. Did not do anything
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  very evangelical that day, yep, apart from just try to
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  love where I was called to and then whenever I
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  couldn't do it, it was.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'll pray about that, so nice, all right, I'll
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  go Saturday, but then I'll also give you one other
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  day of.
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  Speaker 2: My physical because I like hacks spiritual.
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  Speaker 5: So Saturday, it was the first Saturday. I did not
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  know this, but there's a first Saturday devotion thing. So
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  I went to Mass and then some dude went up
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  and was like, if anyone wants to stay for the
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  first Saturday devotion, I'm like cool. So it's basically just
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  I mean, it's effectually a Rosarie and then some other
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  prayers and it's a dedication. I forget the details of it,
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  but that was my spiritual. It was cool to pray
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  Rosary with a group of people. My physical was I
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  went on a couple mile hike, a unicycle for a bit,
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  and I went climbing. It's a beautiful day outside, so
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  I just like, I'm going to live life. I did
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  no homework and that was rough. My intellectual Oh no, actually,
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  I was going to give you my pro tip for
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  physical yesterday. My physical was sitting in the sun, reading
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  and basking. It's like, sometimes you just got to enjoy
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  the physical aspects of life and it doesn't have to be.
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  Speaker 2: Sweaty stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah hmm, I'm with that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it also allows me to be lazy on Sundays. Intellectual,
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  I listened to like four Biblin a year episodes on
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  the long drives back and forth and stuff. Yeah, relational,
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  this was hiking, but I had got I went hiking
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  with a couple of friends and I socialized with a
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  couple of random people at.
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  Speaker 2: The climbing gym, which was fun.
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  Speaker 5: Uh for my evangelical I was gonna in a discussion
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  I was having hiking with my friends, I was talking
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  about being a man of my word and just like
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  to share what that means to be a man of
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  my word. You know, I'm not gonna, well, I fail
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  at this definitely, but I'm not. I don't want to
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  just arbitrarily say yes to things like someone brings something up,
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  like do you want to do this? Yes? Two days
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  later no, because that's me like flaking out on that
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  and whatnot. And so it's just like the discussion of
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  that with a couple of people, like that's evangelizing because
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  I they they now think of that too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I'm going to do today because I don't
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  think that any of us have done.
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  Speaker 2: I have not written down today's Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So spiritual. I went to confession this morning on my
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  way to school, also at ICD.
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  Speaker 2: So drove all the way down to ICD then window.
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  Speaker 3: But other opportunities to go to confession will like get
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  up at six A.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really want to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes if you just want to go on a Monday
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  morning's like, I got one option.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I just called the parish office and
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  I was like, I have some time I go to confession. Cool,
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  So I did that. It was my spiritual physical going
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  to go play volleyball after this.
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  Speaker 5: Does that count if you haven't done it yet? Well, oh,
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  you're making a plan for today. Yeah, so it does count.
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  Speaker 3: So that was my in my mind, I'm thinking that
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  will be my physical thing. Intellectual. On the way here
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  and earlier today, I watched slash listen to like three
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  father Mike videos, to Father Greg Greypine videos, and then
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  another one all about friendship, because I'm trying to come
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  more prepared to these so that I don't just say stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I come with twenty four years of experience, probably
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  like thirteen years of.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have a discussion on that.
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  Speaker 3: Never mind, continue, I'm still gonna be in coherent and
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  say a lot of stuff that I probably don't mean,
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  but maybe I'll be a little bit more prepared and
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  say a little bit less of it. That was intellectual relational.
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  I hung out with Dominic and Seth, my friends at
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  the student center at Aumsel today on our brain.
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  Speaker 4: Dominicos Tomson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why every time you've been sick, I've tried
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  to get him.
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  Speaker 5: To do this with us, because he could just drive
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  up with.
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  Speaker 3: He hasn't done it yet. If you hear this, Dominich,
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  you should.
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  Speaker 2: Michael convinced dominic I've been trying. I love him.
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  Speaker 3: So that was relational and then evangelical. I'm gonna do
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  a little bit of a cop out and say I'm
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  doing this podcast because is it a cop out? It's not,
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  because ultimately the goal of this is too evangelise, So.
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  Speaker 5: Whether or not as successful does not change the fact
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  that you're evangelizing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm doing my part. What happens after that is.
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  Speaker 2: Up to God and the other person.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sweet, well, we hope that you at home are also
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  it's fire. If you are using it is helping you
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  to clarify your day, get things accomplished, stay consistent. We
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  hope that it's not a burden but a blessing.
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  Speaker 5: Now moving on a challenge nonetheless, though if it's easy,
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  then it's boring. If it's easy, how's it helping you go?
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  So not a burden, I would say a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Because if it's just super easy.
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  Speaker 5: Then it's like you don't need to have the the
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  the the visual aid because you're good on your spiritual life.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's easy for anyone.
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  Speaker 1: So we're good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an expert.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so not a burden, but a good cross.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the question that we're going with today or
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  not the question, I guess the subject that we're going
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  to share our personal perspective on is how Spire helps
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  us to cultivate our friendships in our individual lives. So
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  to start us off, we'll go with spiritual. So within
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  the spiritual domain, the things that you do spiritually, how
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  does that influence friendships? How does it help you to
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  cultivate friendships? And what's your experience been, especially after trying
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  to think about it in this framework.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, okay, I want to I just wanted you to
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  go first.
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  Speaker 3: If you have something to say, I can think about it.
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  So spiritual, I think that for me as far as
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  doing my Spire stuff, doing Exodus together, I don't know
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  if that really counts as spiritual parts of it are
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  I go to Mass every Sunday anyway, but going to
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  Mass with the group of people. Most of us go
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  to Mass together ISH on Sundays, so that and then
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  doing this with you guys, I would consider be at
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  least a little bit spiritual doing Bible in the year
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  together and just studying scripture and stuff. I think a
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  lot of the things that have checked off the spiritual
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  box for me have been very much community based and
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  focused on all of us working together to help each
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  other to grow spiritually. I'm not gonna say it as much.
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  I think you mentioned maybe your prayer life helping your relationships.
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  I'm not going to speak as much to that just
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  that you can, but I definitely think that a lot
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  of the communal spiritual things have been what I've been
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  focusing on and let with my spier stuff, just going
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  to Mass together, doing the Bible in the year and
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  reading scripture together and stuff like that, where a lot
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  of my spiritual stuff has been very community based, where
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  I'm not doing it alone and it's acting as kind
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  of a catalyst catalyst for me cultivating better holier friendships.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, do you find it easier to be in friendships
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  doing that stuff and like you then like that stuff as.
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  Speaker 3: Opposed to it's definitely it's definitely easier for me to
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  do things like the Bible in the year where I
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  might want to do it on my own time, but
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  I still have a hard time keeping up with it.
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  Sometimes I can do it every day, but as far
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  as actually like studying it, I guess and reading into
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  it more and kind of trying to understand it, definitely
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  doing it with other people has been massively helpful in
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  that because with the way in my brain works, I
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  could sit with one little thing for a year and
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  like not really understand it. But then if I try
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  and explain it to other people, even if it's kind
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  of convoluted when it comes out of my mouth, it
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  helps me to kind of understand it better being with
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  other people. And if you say something and somebody else
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  is like, I don't know how I feel about that,
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  they can you can bounce it off of them and
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  they can be like, I think this is probably what
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  you meant or what you're trying to say, this is
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  what I think about it. So and then again going
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  to mass and other stuff like that. So it's super
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  motivating for me to have the ability to do it
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  with other people.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll, I'll, you know, talk about some of those
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  same points, Like definitely doing prayer related things spiritual like
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  things with others is a beautiful thing. Like the greatest
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  prayer we have is the prayer of the Mass, and
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  the greatest part of the Mass is what is called
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  the Eucharist or communion. Like Eucharist is like a synonym
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  of communion in some way, and so like the greatest
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  gift we have on this earth is something that is
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  called communion, and so we're called to share that with people.
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  We're called to share that in a communion, and.
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  Speaker 2: Like that that's truly.
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  Speaker 5: A good way of building up your relationships with people.
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  Like I remember back in high school, I think my
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  biggest spiritual difficulty was that I wasn't sharing anything spiritual
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  with my friends. So like all of my friends are Catholic,
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  so it's like it's not like we were talking about
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  drugs or other bad things or whatnot, but like we
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  just did stuff together and that was it. But now
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  that like when I went off to college and I
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  was sharing spiritual stuff with friends on retreats and whatnot,
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  small groups settings and just really sharing like that, that's
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  done so much for my spiritual life. And I can
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  definitely tell the difference in the spiritual life and also
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  in the friendships because now that you know, I'm back
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  in town, all of these high school friendships that I
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  that I had that were like good friendships are now
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  becoming so much more because I'm sharing spiritually with people,
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  you know in the Exodus groups, like we go to
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  Mass together and then go just talk at lunch afterwards,
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  and other things that I'll bring up in the other
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  discussions because it relates more to his say, intellectual and
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  it's just it does truly a lot. And I think
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  that the aspect of spiritual helps your friendships in two ways.
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  One is this way of communion where you share something
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  with another person and that is a beautiful thing. And
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  the other way is the spiritual growth of self. A
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  better understanding of self helps you become a better person,
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  and in becoming a better person, you become a better friend.
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  So even doing stuff on your own prayer wise, grows
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  your friendships with other people because you better understand what
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  love is and friendship is a type of love. And
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  if you can grow in your spiritual life, that's growing
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  in love with God and that will necessarily have huge
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  impacts on.
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  Speaker 2: Your friendships.
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  Speaker 1: So that's totally been my experience too. I think that
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  one of the Let's see in which one one of
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  the things that Father Gregory Pine talked about in that
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  episode that he did or the talk that he gave
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  it c is he said that, I mean, it's the pretty,
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  it's the age old thing of good friends have a
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  common goal. But one thing he said that stood out
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  was your the quality of your friendship is the quality
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  of the thing you have in common. And so I
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  always had a lot of like we I mean, I
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  was had a lot of friends friends, I had friends
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  that the friends that I did have a lot of
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  the time, the thing that we had in common was
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  never really good. And so I thought that I had friends.
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  But what he said that was so interesting was he goes,
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  the quality of your the type of common good that
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  you have is this sort of is how you determine
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  the quality of that friend. So if you have a
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  friend where you guys are both doing something like where
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  you're using something like, you have a useful friend. Yeah,
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  but it's not really like you two are both on
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  a mission sharing in that together where you're sharing your
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  life with them as you're pursuing the same things. And
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  I think I've really come to appreciate that recently, especially
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  when it comes to spiritual stuff because of things like this,
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  or like doing spirit Alive with Everybody, because that was
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  like an entire friend group that I had not really
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  hung out with for high school and I had other
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  friends where are what we had is the common denominator
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  was just whatever. It was just human. It was just
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  purely human. There was no real pursuit of something higher,
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  sort of what's fun, what's cool, what's in and then
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  and then that was it, and so it was very
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  like it always ended up being very empty. You really
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  don't realize that until you do experience when you chase
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  after something that's deeper and more real than everything, and
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  then you have somebody that all of a sudden is like,
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  oh yeah, I see that too. You're like, oh my gosh,
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  it's such a different experience, right, And so doing like
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  we do the Theology of the Body little meetings where
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  we're reading about the same theology basically, and it's just
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  really cool to be talking to people that are after
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  the same thing because you can share part of your
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  heart that's been like really important to you recently and
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  they're like, yeah, I know what you're saying, because they're
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  going through the same thing, because this is directed by
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  the same spirit, and it's a good spirit. And so
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  I think that that's been the most one of the
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  most beautiful aspects as far as this my spiritual life
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  grows with friendships, is just being able to actually, like
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  you said, share it and talk about it with people
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  and then really get to just get to experience that.
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  It's just really nice. You're not so isolated, you know,
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  because I think it's hard in the world where it's
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  like not everybody is really on the same page. Everyone's
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  beliefs differ so drastically, and yet we're like right next
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  to each other, and so it's nice to have, you know,
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  that that big common thing in place.
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  Speaker 5: Does Father Gregory Payne watch watch our podcast because we
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  talked about that that concept in our first Relational episode.
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  It's like he must have gotten it from us.
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  Speaker 1: I assume he's not telling anybody about us.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, Yeah, but no, that that was really cool to
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  just like. And we also touched a bit about some
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  of the other topics too. But then how about physical
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  How does physical bring us closer?
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  Speaker 3: I think for me, at least a large majority of
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  the things I do with other people are physical things.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think our physical things sorry that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, yeah, though I know you are, but yeah,
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  like if I go do something with my friends, I'm
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  physically doing something like you can sit there and you
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  can pray together, and that's spiritual. But if you're doing
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  an activity that's like a physical thing. I play with
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  a wall in multiple different leagues. Now, we go to
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  tournaments and stuff that's say physical game that you do
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  with other people. It's a team sport, it's not you're
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  not just doing it by yourself. It's not golf. I
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  guess golf is a physical thing. But you can use
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  golf to grow closer to people too, even though you're
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  not playing together necessarily. Yeah, you can use it to
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  build your relationship because you have time still. So I
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  genuinely feel like for me, it's as simple as the
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  physical things are the things that you just do with
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  other people or the things that you do with a
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  people fit into the physical thing. I don't that one
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  isn't really that deep. I feel like it's kind of
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  how is it easier?
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  Speaker 5: Is there a specific way it's affected you that you
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  could like pinpoint or is it just like.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that it's something that I could pinpoint
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  and say it. Now that I've been trying to do
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  aspire every day, this has changed my perspective on that because,
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  like I said, the majority of the things I do
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  with other people have always been the physical things, and
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  the physical things have always been the things that brought
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  me closer to other people through sports and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking physical like activity like exercise type stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, like I could say I drove
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  here and I walked up the stairs and I sat
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  down in the chair, and that was physical with you guys,
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  And I'm talking I could say that.
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  Speaker 5: I guess, I mean, did you driving here, walking up
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  the stairs and sitting down improve your friendships with us
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  in a particular way?
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  Speaker 3: I the podcast? I hope so. But yeah, I mean
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  just I don't know that I could really pinpoint it
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  because it's just what I've always done, and it's always
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  been that's always been the thing that brought me close
• 23:04
  to other people. Now, I guess I could also add
• 23:06
  music into that, but that's a whole other thing. But yeah,
• 23:09
  I feel like that one's really simple for me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's been my experience too, is being able
• 23:13
  to share. I'm sure it's it's a pretty common way
• 23:19
  that people because really that's like when you're playing sports
• 23:22
  or you have a game, that's a pretty clear common thing,
• 23:26
  and so you get to have the teamwork and competition
• 23:29
  and like begetting to be there and there's an environment
• 23:31
  where you guys are doing something, then there's not so
• 23:34
  much pressure on like a conversation or like you can
• 23:37
  only really talk and share so much, and then it's
• 23:40
  kind of like, okay, how can we you know, like
• 23:43
  what are we going to do now?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: There's such a different personality here on the exact opposite
• 23:48
  of things. You can only do so much physical before,
• 23:51
  like well you like.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Talking more than you like to do physical stuff, but
• 23:56
  you continue interesting personality.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think that that's been a huge
• 24:03
  blessing for me too, because I've also become closer to
• 24:06
  friend groups and people when you have some physical activity
• 24:11
  and it's so much more fun. Like we had a
• 24:13
  bunch of people from work all go and play a
• 24:15
  big basketball like a bunch of basketball games. That was
• 24:18
  like so much fun because everyone was there. It was
• 24:21
  like when they were jokes. Then you've got stories, memories,
• 24:24
  you got like a little bit of competition there, and
• 24:27
  so I love that stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I'd also say, like, I'm not great at meeting people
• 24:32
  or like getting to know new people. That's never been
• 24:34
  one of my strengths. But the number of people that
• 24:36
  I've met and gotten to know through doing like wiffleball
• 24:41
  for instance, and playing with them and against them. There's
• 24:46
  so many people that I could name that I never
• 24:48
  would have met outside of that that I now talk
• 24:51
  to and I play in other leagues with and tournaments
• 24:53
  and stuff that I never would have met if I
• 24:55
  wasn't doing that with them. And even if we're together,
• 24:58
  like we could all be somewhere to other in just
• 25:00
  a big group where we're not doing anything and I
• 25:02
  probably wouldn't talk to them, But the fact that we
• 25:05
  have this physical thing that we're doing in common has
• 25:09
  helped me to grow closer to and meet a lot
• 25:13
  of people.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's almost the biggest one for me actually,
• 25:18
  but not quite cool So then I guess, yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, I'm gonna say the almost the opposite.
• 25:28
  It's probably one of the smallest ones for me now
• 25:31
  to be fairs like I definitely do grow a lot
• 25:35
  with like the physical ways I interact with people, but like,
• 25:40
  I'm not that much of a sports person, like I
• 25:42
  enjoy playing sports with people, going to play volleyballs, like yeah,
• 25:44
  it's a little fun, but is like I don't think
• 25:47
  of it as like, oh and now that I played volleyball.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: With you, it was like a much better friends.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, yeah, we just played volleyball together, like
• 25:52
  so what, which is why I like, I can see
• 25:55
  the huge distinct difference in our personalities because I remember
• 25:58
  at theage with the body which we were both at
• 26:02
  in a break time, you know, I was just like
• 26:04
  stayed where I was and I talked to twevers around me.
• 26:06
  It's like you walked outside and you were throwing a
• 26:08
  football and I just like and I looked at it
• 26:11
  was like, yeah, he's growing right there. It's like and
• 26:15
  just that a difference like me just to randomly throw
• 26:18
  around the football and was like I get bored after
• 26:20
  like two minutes. Interesting, which which is so which is
• 26:23
  so crazy because I remember back in high schools, was
• 26:27
  it youth group where everyone was kicking out of water
• 26:29
  bottle around each other? How many times can you kick
• 26:31
  up a water bottle? I found that so boring. Most
• 26:35
  half of the time. So most of the time I
• 26:36
  was just off with with the leader or a couple
• 26:38
  of other people just having come save while everyone else
• 26:40
  is just like, we got seventeen kicks, let's.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Go even a co op and stuff, and we would
• 26:45
  go out and play football or with the wall whatever.
• 26:47
  I feel like you didn't really come out for that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I was like fifty to fifty for me, because if
• 26:51
  if there was someone who was staying in this in
• 26:53
  the classroom who I wanted to talk with, I would
• 26:56
  stay and try to talk with them, but you know,
• 27:00
  I would go out and play football. I was like,
• 27:01
  it was a bit fun, but I'm not good at football. Yeah,
• 27:05
  I I catched a couple of balls. Yeah, But honestly,
• 27:09
  there is a way I do really enjoy physical interactions
• 27:13
  with people, and that's enjoying nature, going out and hikes.
• 27:17
  I went on a spring break trip with friends to
• 27:18
  the Smoky Mountains and that was beautiful and it's just
• 27:22
  like I was doing with people to too and just
• 27:23
  look at the beauties of the world and to hike
• 27:25
  with people. And so in that way it has helped
• 27:29
  me and I grew in friendship through that. There was
• 27:33
  also the conversations that I have on the hike, you know,
• 27:35
  the hike I did on Saturday with a couple of friends.
• 27:39
  If we were just hiking and not talking, I felt
• 27:41
  a little.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: More awkward, Like I felt bad. Why did I make
• 27:43
  them come?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: We had good conversations, And so that's that's what I
• 27:47
  view as. It's like, like the physical is the thing
• 27:50
  that puts us in the same place at the same time,
• 27:54
  so that we can we can grow in friendship through conversations.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That's my way of viewing, like how physical helps me.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's not necessarily the actual physical act
• 28:02
  sometimes it is.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Sure, I think throwing.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: In baseball isn't the actual act that gets me closer
• 28:10
  to the other person though, it's like just kind of
• 28:14
  the surrounding.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: If I ever become a dad, though, throwing a ball
• 28:18
  with my kid, we'll grow.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So close together.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: It's awesome just because it's throwing a ball.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It's like there's no conversation.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It's like, I guess, I guess that's true actually because
• 28:28
  you could do it and not say a word.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And it's really physical presence too, Like just being around
• 28:32
  people and not having to talk is yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, if you if you can get to that, like
• 28:38
  to to understand that silence is okay, to just like
• 28:40
  physically be together is a good way of being fringe
• 28:45
  and not just be like we haven't talked for the
• 28:47
  last two minutes. Oh no, do we hate each other now?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Pro tip if if you're working on relationships stuff with
• 28:54
  you know, a significant other, Uh, silence is good. If
• 28:57
  it's silent for a couple of minutes, that's not a
• 28:59
  bad thing. Complete side check. I don't know why I
• 29:01
  said that, continue I.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Was gonna say, does so In Father Gregory Pine and
• 29:07
  his talk, he was like, one of the one important
• 29:10
  thing that we don't think about is physical touch and
• 29:12
  physical contact, and we're all kind of like so isolated.
• 29:15
  Like in other countries. I feel like people are so like,
• 29:17
  you know, huggy, touchy whatever, and some people like that,
• 29:21
  but I don't feel like we are like, no one
• 29:24
  is like that. I got like the dirtiest look from
• 29:26
  this lady because I shook her hand in church.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: She did that. What dude?
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: There was an umsol. There was this girl that I
• 29:34
  was talking to in class and she said something about
• 29:37
  how she's an international student. So I don't remember where
• 29:41
  she's from. But she just said something about she came
• 29:46
  to the UMSOL and she was so shocked because everybody
• 29:49
  sits so far apart and nobody talks to each other,
• 29:52
  and they all just look like they want to be alone.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: It was just she's not used to that at all,
• 29:56
  because it's not like that other place.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Destiney a cultural thing I and it's very much like that.
• 30:02
  Sometimes I'm like a little uncomfortable with how much they
• 30:05
  touch and it's.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, sometimes it's a bit too much. But there's
• 30:10
  a balance for sure.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: See, I feel like we're missing out on something about that,
• 30:14
  though there is because there is like a human element.
• 30:17
  I'm here with you when you're comfortable touching another person,
• 30:20
  and it's not like weird. Yeah, well, like why is
• 30:24
  it weird?
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: It is such an important part of our lives because
• 30:26
  if you think as a baby, the most one of
• 30:30
  the most important things that you can do for your
• 30:32
  child when they're a baby is to hold them. Like
• 30:36
  physical skin to skin contact does so much good for
• 30:39
  the baby, not just like in a relational sense, but
• 30:42
  just like it helps them like just be healthy somehow.
• 30:47
  I don't know how it works, but it does. Oh,
• 30:49
  I know, and so it's like, yeah, that physical touch
• 30:51
  and we just don't do that. It's like the so
• 30:54
  many people, like I think with some friends and I'm like,
• 30:58
  I don't know the last time like we made a physical.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Context, right, I know for a handshake.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: The only thing is like dapping people up or the
• 31:07
  handshake stuff.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like, but have you have you guys ever
• 31:09
  okay recently like hugged, like given your friend a real hug.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You do like the dap up and you come yeah,
• 31:18
  like I be full on hug. I hugged all of
• 31:21
  my family. I hadn't seen it ten years yesterday. Does
• 31:24
  that count?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, I guess it counts.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I'm talking like your friend, like someone that you just aren't,
• 31:29
  like you said you don't have contact, and then you
• 31:31
  like give them a hug for something.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I think I haven't really, but I think it's because
• 31:35
  I've been so far removed, Like we as a culture
• 31:38
  have been so far removed from it. So I'm almost
• 31:40
  like uncomfortable with it, right because we're just not used
• 31:42
  to it at all. So it's kind of like if
• 31:44
  it happens, I'm almost a little it's almost like this
• 31:46
  is gay, but it's it's not.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It's just so used to doing human Yeah right, it's human,
• 31:53
  but we think it's gay for I mean.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: It depends on like the friend group, because like the
• 31:57
  group I hang out with you Michael Is, we don't
• 32:00
  really do the physical touch beyond like wapping up. But
• 32:03
  like my college friend group that there's a lot more
• 32:07
  you know, physical contact, like a lot more hugging and stuff,
• 32:10
  and it's it's a good thing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It's like a good hug and can do quite a lot.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And there's definitely a balance, like you don't want to
• 32:16
  go around just like pull on just like the street,
• 32:22
  just walk in volleyball and just like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: You don't a girl you don't know make it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I have to know boundaries. But I mean I feel
• 32:34
  like like he.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: We hold ourselves too far apart with the boundary.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like there's such an isolation because
• 32:40
  we just feel like it is really like you just
• 32:42
  want to be alone. That's exactly how I feel too,
• 32:44
  where I just I don't even want to be around
• 32:46
  people at times.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I think COVID played a big part in that, at
• 32:53
  least for me. The fact that we were forced to
• 32:56
  be separated from people for so long mess with me.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: A lot, I know, and it's like you can get
• 33:01
  away with it nowadays too, Like you don't have to
• 33:04
  be around people. So then you're like.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Why would Then that leads to depression.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: And then you get depressed, and that leads to legitimately.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: One there's many of the reasons why depression is such
• 33:16
  a prevalent thing in today's society is because it's very
• 33:19
  common in America, a little less common in other cultures,
• 33:22
  and it's like we just don't touch, and that depresses
• 33:26
  people somehow.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it works, but it does.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're talking about physical for a little bit. Intellectual,
• 33:36
  I know you're gonna like this one.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'll keep, I'll keep or if you think I'll do whatever,
• 33:42
  I don't care, I'll just I'll keep mine short. I
• 33:44
  think intellectual is like one of the most fun ways
• 33:49
  to get Like obviously, you get to know someone a
• 33:51
  lot by the ideas that they think and the things
• 33:54
  that they believe, and so I think you're get to
• 33:57
  have conversations kind of challenging people's arguments, seeing where they stand,
• 34:01
  how they think, kind of like the verbal intellectual sparring
• 34:07
  or you know, just kind of talking out. Yeah, I
• 34:11
  think that that's really cool, and that's how I've gotten
• 34:13
  to know a lot of my friends. A lot of
• 34:15
  the ways that we relate is by thinking of ideas,
• 34:19
  talking about them, sharing what we've learned, sharing arguments, sharing
• 34:23
  ways of engaging with reality. And that's been like, that's
• 34:25
  like so much fun. I have that with my dad too,
• 34:28
  Like our friendships very much, what we think, how we feel,
• 34:32
  what we've learned, how that plays into what's going on.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I'll say, like this, the Spire podcast that we do
• 34:39
  together is an intellectual thing that we do together, and
• 34:42
  it's made so much betterferends to both of you. Like
• 34:45
  I've learned so much and I think we've all gone
• 34:48
  close to because of it, and it's a beautiful thing.
• 34:51
  But yeah, Like this semester, I've really been getting into
• 34:54
  discussion groups, just like a weekly thing where you just
• 34:58
  get together and talk about a specific topic with a
• 35:00
  group of people. I'm doing with like.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Three different groups.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: It's like I got so many different things and it's
• 35:05
  such a cool thing to just get together and look
• 35:09
  at a topic together and discuss it. And like that
• 35:13
  just does so much and I've grown so much more
• 35:15
  in my ability to make friends in that way.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: It's like I go a couple of weeks ago, I
• 35:23
  went for the first time for one of these discussion groups.
• 35:26
  It's like I knew one person in there. Everyone else
• 35:29
  was ranging from my age to like sixty, and.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is weird.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: But it's like when we started talking about stuff, I'm like,
• 35:37
  this is fun. And it's like, I know you're like
• 35:40
  twenty five years older than me, but like it's fun
• 35:43
  to talk with you, yeah, and to understand how you think.
• 35:45
  And something that I've said a lot is that I
• 35:47
  think that one of the coolest things that I can
• 35:51
  see is that I love seeing how people think. Yeah,
• 35:57
  I love seeing how they interpret things, how they look
• 36:01
  at stuff, because they don't look at it like me.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Typically.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: There's some people that do, and it's like you're a
• 36:07
  weird person, and it's like wait, yeah, but it's like
• 36:13
  to just see how they think and how they look
• 36:15
  at stuff, And those are the types of conversations that
• 36:18
  have have just really done so much for me and
• 36:21
  my friendships. That's what really like when I think about
• 36:26
  my high school years is like the conversations I had
• 36:29
  with people were the most influential things with my life.
• 36:33
  I remember very few conversations I ever had with people
• 36:36
  because it's not the conversation itself that truly affects me.
• 36:41
  It's just them sharing their mind with me and me
• 36:45
  vice versa. When I went off to college, it's like
• 36:50
  a friend group that i'm really close friends with now
• 36:53
  was formed by we stayed after Mass on Wednesday night.
• 36:56
  We have Wednesday night masses up there, and we just
• 36:58
  stayed around. We've played some games, but sometimes it's just
• 37:02
  talking until three am, just sharing conversations or just like
• 37:06
  someone who have questions like this question and it's something
• 37:09
  like are we closer in.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Dignity to God or in ants? And it's just like
• 37:13
  we just discuss it and it's just talking about stuff
• 37:15
  and it's cool.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: And and getting into like I want to think about
• 37:21
  that now. It's a good one, getting into discussions with
• 37:25
  people to see how they think. Just it does so
• 37:28
  much and I've basically there's some people who you who
• 37:32
  like first meet and you interact with the bit and
• 37:33
  you're like it's kind of weird, but then you like
• 37:36
  have a conversation with them and you can see how
• 37:38
  they think and understand, and it's like, yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: How totally totally changes your.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: How does anyone like dislike this person like this? This
• 37:44
  person's beautiful, Like like just how they think and how
• 37:49
  they they they.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yearn for something.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: It's like that's one thing an intellectual It is just
• 37:54
  a yearning. If you share that yearning of wanting to
• 37:58
  learn something. It's just like if you look a kid
• 38:00
  who's just like, what is a tree and just like
• 38:03
  climbing its like you just want to learn and.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Like that that does so much.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good. I would basically just say the
• 38:15
  same thing. Honestly, I I feel like for me, the
• 38:18
  intellectual part of it is just understanding how people think,
• 38:23
  because like you just said, there will be so many
• 38:26
  times when I see somebody do something, I'm like, why
• 38:29
  the heck did you do that? That doesn't make any
• 38:32
  sense at all? And I'll think that for like the
• 38:36
  longest time. I just feel like they're so weird they
• 38:40
  do this, and I'll talk to them and then just
• 38:44
  like learn how they think, and I'm all of a sudden,
• 38:46
  I'm I just I think that makes so much sense
• 38:50
  now why you would do that? Because this is like
• 38:52
  your perspective, this is how you saw it. I saw
• 38:55
  it differently, and I see now how you saw it.
• 39:00
  Were you gonna say something, so I was gonna ask
• 39:02
  for an example. Yeah, I can't think of a specific example,
• 39:06
  but let me try.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I could talk a little bit. If you don't, If
• 39:13
  you haven't thought.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Of something, okay, I'll say this. This isn't the best example,
• 39:18
  but this is what I thought of a second ago
• 39:19
  when you said some people I think differently from you,
• 39:24
  some people think similar. And me and Nick have always
• 39:28
  talked a lot because we've talked about this before where
• 39:32
  we were both like the quiet kids in co op
• 39:34
  and so we were like the quiet kids kind of together.
• 39:37
  So we would just almost be forced to.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Be together, but we were together basically.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: But sometimes I would see you do something and I'd
• 39:48
  be like, that's weird because I feel like that's how
• 39:50
  I would approach it. Or sometimes i'd see you do
• 39:52
  something I'm like, that's weird because it's not how I
• 39:54
  would approach it. And like, the more I've gotten to
• 39:58
  know you, and especially in the last a year or so,
• 40:01
  we talked about this multiple times where we would just
• 40:04
  sit down and we would have a conversation about the
• 40:06
  way that we think about things, literally, just about the
• 40:10
  way that we think. And I would walk away from
• 40:12
  the conversation being like, that makes so much sense because
• 40:15
  everything he just said reflects exactly the way that I
• 40:18
  approached the situation. Or maybe there's some little things where
• 40:21
  you say, like, oh, I think that I think this
• 40:24
  about this thing.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that's a good idea. I've never thought about
• 40:28
  doing that, but just like having a conversation with someone
• 40:31
  about the way that they think.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's crazy, it's.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Such a good conversation. We've did that up at my
• 40:38
  college a couple of times.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Just like there's that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Theory where just like women tend to be spaghetti brain
• 40:44
  and men tend to be box brain, where we have boxes,
• 40:47
  we open up, we close it, we open up, we
• 40:49
  close it, we have one thing we focus on, and.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Women tend to be like bah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's true.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's true either, because I'm definitely much
• 40:58
  more scatched like spaghetty b and categorical. But I think
• 41:03
  to have that conversation to be like to discuss and
• 41:05
  it's like and how does that look into life?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Like what we talked about the first time we talked
• 41:10
  about it. I think it was we were just talking
• 41:15
  about the way that we see other people and their
• 41:19
  reactions to us, I guess, and the way that we
• 41:21
  kind of interpret it. I think that was like the
• 41:23
  first big conversation like that we had. Yeah, and he
• 41:28
  just kept on saying things like, oh, I see other people,
• 41:30
  and I'll say something and then all of a sudden,
• 41:33
  everything's firing in my brain. I think that they interpreted
• 41:36
  it this way. You know, they're probably just like acting
• 41:39
  like they like me with every kind of stuff, and
• 41:41
  you just try and interpret all of it through the
• 41:44
  lens of the way that you think. And when we
• 41:47
  talked about it, we literally were basically just bouncing off
• 41:49
  each other and we're like, that's exactly how I feel.
• 41:52
  And I didn't ever realize before that that we approached
• 41:56
  not everything, but a lot of things the exact same way.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: I know, for whatever that conversation last summer, I left
• 42:02
  him just like it changed my mind.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, trust, that's right. Yeah, yeah, it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Is after volleyball and everyone else is downstairs just gone
• 42:08
  crazy or whatnot.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And then and Michael I was just talking is like that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Like blew my mind, and I learned so much about it, and
• 42:15
  I was like, that was so cool.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I think it also for me helps me to especially
• 42:22
  when I see differences in the way that other people think.
• 42:26
  I guess it helps me to be more patient and
• 42:29
  more understanding of their actions.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Kind of.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I already kind of said this, but if I like,
• 42:37
  for instance, there was a time at Almsel where I
• 42:39
  talked to an atheist. He was an ex Catholic, he
• 42:43
  was now an atheist who was arguing with me about abortion.
• 42:47
  But even though I completely disagreed with everything he was saying,
• 42:52
  it was like listening to him talk, I could kind
• 42:55
  of understand why he got to the conclusion he did,
• 42:59
  just because if I put my in his shoes, I
• 43:02
  obviously I wouldn't have the same reaction, but I could understand, like,
• 43:06
  this thing happened to him, so now that's shaped the
• 43:08
  way that he views these things and the way he
• 43:10
  thinks about this issue. So it helps me a lot to,
• 43:17
  i don't know, be more understanding of other people's perspectives
• 43:20
  instead of just writing it off like you're wrong and
• 43:23
  I know you're wrong and you're crazy. I don't know
• 43:25
  why you think that way.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: So now I was going to use that example, like
• 43:29
  when you were saying about exampless like because I remember
• 43:31
  I used to watch like some argument videos where it's
• 43:34
  like some people discussing like particularly abortion and stuff, and
• 43:39
  so many people approach this completely wrong. They approach it
• 43:44
  as a completely just intellectual powerhouse. I can destroy your argument,
• 43:50
  and if you don't come to understand like who that
• 43:52
  person is and how they think, you're not going to
• 43:55
  change their hearts. You're just gonna build yourself up a
• 43:57
  level of pride saying I'm smarter than you because I
• 44:00
  can defeat your arguments. And it's like you're not smarter
• 44:04
  than them because you're not approaching them correctly.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: And it's such as them, so it's like you're not
• 44:16
  even giving good arguments because it's just straw manning who
• 44:18
  they are and what their argument is.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: It's like, sure, they might not be able to present
• 44:21
  it verbally in the correct way, but it's like that's
• 44:26
  fine because that's not their argument. The argument is typically
• 44:28
  more from the heart and more from experience and emotion,
• 44:32
  and and you need to come to understand that and
• 44:34
  commiserate and love them, and then that's how you can
• 44:38
  change hearts and so it's like, yeah, to just to
• 44:42
  just really understand, I can't, Like, that's just so many people.
• 44:46
  It's like, yeah, I know you have really weird opinions
• 44:49
  on some really topics, but I'm like, if I have
• 44:52
  a conversation with someone, you're a good person, Like I
• 44:55
  could be a good friend with you. It's like even
• 44:57
  if you have these weird opinions and that that's gonna
• 45:00
  clash up, and it's like there's there's something that we
• 45:03
  can share. There's a common ground between any of us.
• 45:07
  There's so many people who who thinks like, oh, I
• 45:11
  could never be friends with this person. We have nothing
• 45:12
  in common. It's like that just means you're not trying
• 45:15
  hard enough to find which you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Actually all have way more in common.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Far more. Yeah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Anyway, So that's a big thing is like try to
• 45:22
  understand how someone thinks. If if you want to help
• 45:25
  someone convince them of what you considered to be the truth,
• 45:29
  don't try to convince them like you're convincing yourself.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Because they're not.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: You understand how they think and approach who they.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Are with the truth. Don't throw the truth at them.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: It's like if you walk up to a big atheist
• 45:46
  like a famous atheist, you take a Bible and you
• 45:48
  smack them in the head with it and walk away.
• 45:50
  It's like they're just gonna look at that and throw
• 45:54
  it away because like they don't care if you do
• 45:58
  that with an intellectual argument and you smack on the
• 46:00
  head with an intellectual argument that they never thought about before.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, for some.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: People it could work because that could be who they are,
• 46:06
  But for most people it's like they're just gonna be like,
• 46:09
  you don't let you hate me.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that plays into the next one
• 46:15
  that we could talk about. Relational is the biggest and
• 46:20
  this it plays into evangelical too. But when you look
• 46:23
  at the sense of ultimately, what this comes down to
• 46:26
  is like the issue that those people are the thing
• 46:29
  that they're not seeing when they're it's like, I will
• 46:32
  destroy your argument, and you know, person gets destroyed. It's
• 46:36
  like the if your end goal is to destroy their argument,
• 46:40
  then you're doing But if the end goal no, no, no, oh, sorry,
• 46:45
  then you're If it is your goal, then you're doing
• 46:48
  it right if that's the goal. But the goal is
• 46:50
  not to go around destroying everybody's arguments. The goal is
• 46:53
  to be christ to these to everyone that you meet
• 46:56
  all the time. And so if you have true truth
• 47:01
  and you can speak truth to somebody and in a
• 47:04
  way the truth can set them free basically from these
• 47:07
  demons that tell them lies and that they believe in
• 47:10
  that a whole shebang, then it is good for you
• 47:13
  to destroy their arguments. But the goal is not to
• 47:17
  just go about destroying everyone's argument and smacking them on
• 47:20
  the head with an intellectual argument. It's like, some people
• 47:23
  need to be presented the truth in love, some people
• 47:26
  need to be listened to in love, and most times,
• 47:28
  especially when it comes to topics like abortion and things
• 47:31
  that are really sensitive and complicated, just telling them what
• 47:38
  is objectively true is not loving them because they aren't
• 47:43
  open to receiving something true yet and they might never be,
• 47:49
  and it ultimately is between them and God. But really,
• 47:52
  what you're supposed to do is like have some wisdom
• 47:55
  and prudence in the situation of how you're supposed to
• 47:58
  love them.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: A lot of time, I feel like people also in
• 48:01
  that situation might know the truth and they're kind of
• 48:05
  afraid of it, and so you're like, your goal maybe
• 48:09
  shouldn't be tell them the truth because they might already
• 48:12
  know the truth. Your goal should be maybe to help
• 48:16
  them understand it or to help them not be afraid
• 48:19
  of it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's to give them the love of Jesus. That's what
• 48:22
  it like, That's what you have to do.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: There's this quote that I really like, the daily dose
• 48:31
  of wisdom you could I always talk about and he says,
• 48:38
  what does he say? I'm literally I just had in
• 48:41
  my head.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: He lost the wisdom.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I lost my daily do wisdom. He says something along
• 48:49
  the lines of if everybody in the world understood the
• 48:58
  truth of Christianity, than everybody in the world would be
• 49:01
  a Christian.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: True I'm with you on that.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: That so that would I guess to circle back to
• 49:10
  my initial point was that relational while it's the main
• 49:15
  point of it, is how we foster and build our relationships.
• 49:18
  Since this is all about friendship this whole episode, I
• 49:21
  think my focus, or the way that Spire helps me
• 49:23
  to think about it is relationships are ultimately the way
• 49:29
  you relate to people. And then in that relating to them,
• 49:33
  that's there's like a seeing of another person and a
• 49:37
  hearing of the other person. And really I think what
• 49:39
  it comes down to is seeing the Christ and the
• 49:41
  other person and then it's like you are. It's a
• 49:44
  much different experience than just knowing somebody, knowing what they
• 49:47
  like and like laughing with them. There's like a relating
• 49:51
  to them as to where you are. Both even if
• 49:54
  you aren't talking explicitly about something deep, you're able to
• 49:57
  see the depth that they're connect too in a way.
• 50:01
  And so especially with Spire, I think the things that
• 50:06
  I focused on in the relational category is that how
• 50:09
  do I meet people where they're at, but then also
• 50:14
  see that they have a depth to them that I
• 50:17
  can't see without like intentional effort, Like it's easy to
• 50:20
  just kind of glance over, but how can I really
• 50:23
  see and understand that person and listen to their heart
• 50:27
  as opposed to just listening to their words? And then
• 50:29
  how I like, because I think what was cool about
• 50:32
  when you guys were talking about you know how you
• 50:35
  think when someone says something, you'll take those words and
• 50:38
  be like if I was saying those words, what would
• 50:40
  I be meaning? And then you're like, why would that
• 50:42
  person do it like that? But then the person is
• 50:45
  intending to do something else. But we are so not
• 50:48
  used to looking at like tying to people, like affording
• 50:54
  to them their own good intentions, and that is something
• 50:57
  I realized I do not do. I'm very much like,
• 51:01
  if you say something weird or you act weird, I'm like, okay,
• 51:04
  I did that. I've learned that that's weird and people
• 51:07
  aren't gonna like you if you do that. And then
• 51:10
  if I can just allow my mind to, you know,
• 51:12
  let go of that for a second and really watch
• 51:15
  the person in a way that's like, how where is
• 51:18
  Christ in this person? And then it's like, Oh, they're
• 51:21
  incredibly unique, and it's like hilarious, how that's shining forth.
• 51:26
  I always thought that was weird, but that's something that
• 51:29
  was totally lied And now I've maybe missed the whole
• 51:32
  part of my personality that this person doesn't like exhibit.
• 51:36
  And so I think that that's been the biggest thing to.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Get off selfish.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: That still of how I think is the correct way
• 51:43
  how I look at things, as the way the world
• 51:45
  is right to recognize that other.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: People are unique, distinguished people.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's such a good point because when I was
• 51:51
  thinking it was like, oh, relational, how does relationships help
• 51:55
  your relationships? I'm like, it's a totology.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: It's like whoo.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: But then when you're saying, it's like yeah, because so
• 52:02
  many people it's like I'm friends with this person, and
• 52:06
  it's like are you truly friends? Do you have a
• 52:08
  relation with them or is it do you share just
• 52:12
  physical because we were talking about spiritual, physical, intellectual, and
• 52:15
  you could share that with people and to grow in
• 52:17
  a relationship with someone. But like I've thought, it's like
• 52:20
  I have Like when I was in college, it's like
• 52:23
  I had physics friends. It's like we were in class
• 52:25
  together and we shared the intellect of the physics classes
• 52:30
  we were in, but that was it. So we we
• 52:33
  didn't create a relationship. It was a physical relationship, but
• 52:39
  there was or an intellectual relationship or whatever, but there
• 52:41
  wasn't that sense of understanding the other. And it's like
• 52:46
  we were all in the same classes basically for three
• 52:47
  to four years, and it's like we we hung out
• 52:51
  outside of that like once or twice, and to see
• 52:54
  just in a different setting people acted differently, it's like WHOA,
• 52:58
  it wasn't wasn't expecting this And it's like, well, yeah,
• 53:02
  because all I was sharing with them was the intellectual thing.
• 53:05
  I wasn't sharing myself with them where they weren't sharing
• 53:08
  themselves with me, and so like I, I would think
• 53:12
  that the relational aspect of friendship, I would look at
• 53:16
  it in the negative sense of it's not the physical connection,
• 53:20
  it's not the intellectual connection, it's not even the spiritual
• 53:23
  connection of like praying together, whatnot. There's something individual in
• 53:28
  the relational aspects, and I couldn't define it. I would
• 53:33
  never be able to define it, I think, but I
• 53:34
  could tell you what it's not.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I think the way I would look at it. I
• 53:40
  don't know if this is exactly the same thing that
• 53:41
  you're saying, but I think it might be similar. So
• 53:44
  and then what you're saying about seeing Christs and other people,
• 53:47
  because that's been the biggest thing for me that I've
• 53:49
  been thinking about. And I suck at it. I suck
• 53:52
  it looking at other people and just accepting that's how
• 53:56
  you are and Christ in them. And I'm like us
• 54:00
  straight and I get annoyed and whatever. So I'm not
• 54:03
  really that good at it. But I'm working on that.
• 54:05
  I'm trying to get better at seeing Christ and other people.
• 54:09
  And I think that the thing that I've been thinking
• 54:12
  about this week, especially like getting ready for today, was
• 54:19
  every single person is made in the image and likeness
• 54:22
  of God, and God himself is a communion of persons.
• 54:31
  God himself is a trinity and the Father's Son and
• 54:33
  the Holy Spirit. And if we're all made in the
• 54:39
  image and likeness of God, then that might be the
• 54:43
  unifying thing. Like it, we're all individuals and we're all unique,
• 54:47
  but our uniqueness isn't what ties us together. It's what
• 54:50
  we all have in common, which is being made in
• 54:52
  the image and likeness of God. And being made in
• 54:55
  the image just likeness of God. We should all share
• 54:58
  in that communion because that is what God is, is
• 55:01
  a communion of persons. And so I think for me,
• 55:04
  I don't think it's the individuality as much as that
• 55:07
  as much as.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: As it's.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: The collective identity that we all share. So I don't
• 55:18
  know if that's I don't know if that's what you
• 55:20
  were getting at just now, But well.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: I wasn't getting at anything. I was getting rid of
• 55:25
  some things, and so like that that could that could help.
• 55:27
  But also something you said about like getting annoyed and
• 55:32
  stuff at people, it's like that's a natural part of life,
• 55:36
  and so like being annoyed at someone does not mean
• 55:39
  your relational aspect is bad. It's actually part of who
• 55:43
  you guys are and how you interact. Well sometimes it
• 55:45
  could be, but like it's a natural part of who
• 55:49
  you are and how you interact because obviously you're different people.
• 55:52
  You're going to clash in some ways and that's gonna
• 55:54
  result in annoyance at the very basic level and a
• 55:59
  lot more difficult emotions.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: At other levels. But like I was, I was talking.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: Yesterday and and you know, last week he told me
• 56:10
  he just got frustrated at the moment. Its like, stop
• 56:12
  being so semantic, and he shared that with me, and
• 56:16
  and then and then we were talking a bit about that.
• 56:18
  I'm like, I am very thankful that he that he
• 56:20
  shared that with me, because now I understand him a
• 56:23
  bit better and I and we can relate a bit better,
• 56:26
  and I can try to not be so semantic around
• 56:28
  him too, unless I want to.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Annoy him for fun.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: But just like it, being a good friend with someone
• 56:37
  doesn't mean never being annoyed at them. It doesn't mean
• 56:40
  never being frustrated. And if you look at it and
• 56:44
  as never being frustrated, then you'll just disappoint yourself because
• 56:46
  you will get frustrated, you will get annoyed and you'll
• 56:50
  be like, oh, I'm annoyed at this person. So now
• 56:53
  I just got it. I shouldn't be annoyed, So I'm
• 56:54
  just gonna Lord give me patience. And and then you
• 56:59
  ignore it, you push it aside, you hide some part
• 57:02
  of yourself from this other person. Repress, you repress an
• 57:06
  aspect of how you can relate with another person.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Jesus best friend on Earth was Saint Peter, and Jesus
• 57:13
  at one point says, get behind me, Satan to Saint Peter,
• 57:16
  because Saint Peter was being kind of annoying.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I like to do it perfect.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: That's cool. I want to view that now as Saint
• 57:23
  Peter annoying.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Jesus just like maybe he wasn't even trying to be annoying.
• 57:29
  He was confused, and he was wondering, like what does
• 57:32
  this mean? Like, no, we're gonna go. I think it
• 57:34
  was when Jesus is saying that I'm gonna die and
• 57:38
  you know, I'm gonna saw that, and Saint Peter's like, no,
• 57:41
  what are you talking about? No you're not Actually we're
• 57:43
  gonna come with you. And he's confused and he wants
• 57:46
  to support his friend. But Jesus is like No, that's
• 57:49
  not that's good, but that's not what's supposed to be
• 57:53
  happening here.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that Jesus gets.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Annoyed with He's not annoyed, but it was.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: You know, annoying.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: This is a human emotion. So it's possible that he
• 58:04
  got annoyed, but of course not annoyed in a sinful way.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he Jesus was angry. Jesus is anger. He flipped tables, man.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: I mean that's I think the only time in the
• 58:16
  Gospels where it's just shown that Jesus was angry.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: And so that's the.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Curse a fig tree or something one time too.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so it's like those are natural human emotions
• 58:26
  and Jesus experienced them in a nonsinful way.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: So it's like feeling anger the.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Emotion, right, the emotion is not sinful, but it's the
• 58:36
  way that it's what you do. It's what you do
• 58:39
  that's sinful or not. So he was. But I think
• 58:43
  I just want to make a distinction. I think when
• 58:46
  you say someone is annoying, I think what you're trying
• 58:50
  to say is like and what I'm trying to say
• 58:51
  is when you see Christ in another person, nothing that
• 58:54
  they do annoys you because you, like have the right
• 58:58
  disposition of gratitude for who they are are, so then
• 59:01
  they're not their presence is and inconvenience to my will.
• 59:04
  It's like I've had enough humility and setting of my
• 59:10
  personal will to power to decide to see that you
• 59:15
  are just your own person and things that could annoy
• 59:17
  me would only be annoying me because I'm not getting
• 59:20
  my way and you're not doing what I want you
• 59:21
  to do. But if I'm not worried about those things,
• 59:24
  then I'm more seeing you for who you are and
• 59:26
  able to see the Christ in you. But because I'm
• 59:29
  not Christ, I will get annoyed. But that's not a
• 59:34
  bad thing. It's just that's how human life works. And
• 59:39
  so it's not like I have to hate myself for
• 59:45
  being annoyed, but it is like, Okay, if this person
• 59:48
  is annoying me, what's wrong with me? That's ultimately what
• 59:51
  it comes down to. And then if your friend's trying
• 59:53
  to express to you what you do annoys me, that
• 59:57
  it's not fair of him to be like you do
• 59:59
  this send it annoys me. Now it's getting it out,
• 1:00:02
  which is good. It's better than repressing it, but like
• 1:00:04
  a way that he could do it is maybe understand
• 1:00:07
  why it is it it annoys him, and then communicate
• 1:00:09
  to you. You know. One of the things I think
• 1:00:11
  that hinders our communication is like, you're always kind of
• 1:00:15
  very semantic. Now, maybe you do it in a joking way.
• 1:00:17
  Maybe hit the way he did it was in a
• 1:00:19
  joking way.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, I do it because I find it funny and
• 1:00:22
  not listen.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Well, no, that's what I do. And I never really
• 1:00:26
  thought this, like, oh, other people might not find this funny,
• 1:00:28
  they might find it annoying. And so it's like sometimes
• 1:00:31
  just like yeah, just be up front and brunt about it,
• 1:00:34
  and like cool, did I did?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: I was just like it took me sounds like oh really, okay, okay,
• 1:00:41
  and then I thought through a billion different possibilities and
• 1:00:43
  it's like okay, and I understood a lot more and
• 1:00:45
  I was really thankful.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: So but I just feel like that is not how
• 1:00:48
  Jesus would approach it.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I feel like Jesus would.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Jesus did behind me, but that was because because there
• 1:00:54
  was the he wasn't talking to Peter, he was talking
• 1:00:58
  to the spirit. That was like telling Peter. But Peter
• 1:01:03
  was saying right, so he but he was talking to Satan.
• 1:01:06
  He wasn't talking to Peter. He just told Peter that
• 1:01:09
  he loved him, and then he had to make a
• 1:01:11
  clear distinction that I love you. But when there's a
• 1:01:14
  voice that speaks through you that is undermining the main
• 1:01:17
  thing going on, then it's get behind me, Satan. So
• 1:01:19
  he's not saying get behind me, Peter. He's saying, get
• 1:01:22
  behind me, Satan. So he's like, there's a fine line
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  between just because Jesus was angry at a couple points,
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  it's always got a very good reason. Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: I'll agree the time it is that explanation of just
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  like we need to be better understanding this or that.
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  But like Jesus did feel anger, and he did have
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  a right reason, and he went about it in the
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  correct way, and so there's definitely a way of doing
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  it correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of time that's not the case.
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  Speaker 5: But I do believe there are times in which you
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  can be annoyed with people and it's just natural and
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  it's not like there's better way you can love them.
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  Because some people the voice might just be grading on
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  you and it's like I love them and I love
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  hearing them and listening to them talk and seeing who
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  they are, but for just some reason, their voice annoys
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  me and I can't explain it. And it's I don't
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  really have anyone in particular there if you're worried about that, but.
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  Speaker 1: Just it's okay if you're annoyed. But I think if
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  you pin it on somebody, oh yeah, no, yeah, you
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  get on the same page. Or it's like they are
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  not an annoyed that they are not annoying. This thing
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  is annoying me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I think trying to get at is that
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  it's hard to look past that this is just a thing.
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  It's not them because I can't see them as I
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  can see because this thing is in the way of
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  whatever my judgments are. That's all I was saying.
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  Speaker 4: I know, and that makes more sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe that wasn't a very necessary distinction, but.
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  Speaker 5: But honestly, we were talking about, you know, get behind me,
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  Satan and stuff, and Jesus saying that to Peter, and
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  I'm like, I think that tyes and night with event.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I still go ahead, It's fine.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So how does evangelizing help us with our friendships.
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  It's like I brought up the Jesus thing, and it's
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  like it's a good way to think about.
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  Speaker 3: I would almost say that everything that we've just talked
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  about all because the whole Spire thing, you can do
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  evangelical things, but the entire purpose is kind of to evangelize.
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  Like that's kind of I think evangelical is what ties
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  it together.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong here, but I I feel like,
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  ultimately what this comes down to, Spire is setting you
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  up for having friendships, like ultimately our relationship with God.
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  But then really, how like if it all is going
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  to lead into evangelizing, we're under the impression that we
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  have to go to like foreign lands and find people
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  that are super far out that don't think this way
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  at all, and then like here's the truth.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be easier.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes there might be some truth in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that sounds good.
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  Speaker 5: Someone who's never heard about Christianity could be blown away
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  by it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they culture. Yeah, I know it's tough, but
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  that's where I was. I was saying, how do you
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  think do you do you agree that ultimately what this
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  comes down to his relationships and friendships with people is
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  the evangelizing that we're really trying to do. And then
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  like the works of mercy and all of that stuff
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  is kind of like intentional friendship building almost like you
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  build friendships with the home friendships.
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  Speaker 5: With bigger distinction. I think that evangelizing. It's like, yeah,
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  being friends, like you can evangelize through that. But there's
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  very particular ways in which you can evangelize in your friendship.
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  And it's not just you know, throwing a ball together
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  in a physical way.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just.
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  Speaker 3: Saying evangelization at the end of the day is about
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  But I guess true friends is about wanting to help
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  the other person get to heaven, and that's what evangelization
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  is trying to share.
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  Speaker 5: The ideal of a true friendship is pure evangelization at
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  all times with the other just because of a true
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  desire and yearning for the goodness of the of the person,
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  which is a form of which is evangelization to wild
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  the good of another.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: It's like evangelizing.
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  Speaker 5: I was called just like to love right and to
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  and to share that love with someone.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just to like from the sidelines.
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's a very visceral interaction.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because I feel like any evangelizing is supposed to
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  be a sharing of love. So it's like, I'm not
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  here to share truth. I'm not here to make you
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  do this. I'm not here to give you the right answers.
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  I'm not here to make you be Catholic. It's all about, like,
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  I'm here to love you, and the way, one of
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  the ways in which I love you is pointing you
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  to the truth and giving you an opportunity of the
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  sacraments and explaining things and helping make things register. And
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  you're safe with me and you can trust me, and
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  I'm not going to use you or cast you out
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  or treat you like your other friends do. I feel
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  like that's what I never really got with evangelization. I
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  thought it was a big propaganda mission basically, but it
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  seems like, really it's about if we have love, we
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  actually have the love of God, then when you go
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  to people, you are bringing that to them. But we
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  think it's all about the truth about the scriptures and
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  the Bible, and then it's all about making sure you're
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  not committing sin all the stuff, But then we kind
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  of miss the that what people need at this point
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  is like someone that can look them in the eyes
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  almost and like see them and it's not weird, and
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  they know how to bring what's necessary to that person's heart,
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  like listening to it.
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  Speaker 3: And then Christianity is a family, not a political Party's
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  kind of the way I would say it. I like that,
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  because politics it's all about I'm going to convince you
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  of my point of view, and I'm going to give
• 1:06:58
  you the arguments against whatever. But if it's christian is
• 1:07:03
  a family and the sharing and body of Christ, then
• 1:07:05
  you're just the family aspect is more about actually loving
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  the people regardless of I mean not you should have
• 1:07:13
  loved people regardless of what they think.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: Kind of Yeah, Well, one of my good friends that
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  I've met up here, I feel like a significant part
• 1:07:23
  of our friendship is evangelizing, and it's like I could
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  think it's intellectual, but it's like it's honestly not fully intellectual.
• 1:07:32
  It's just we're both trying to evangelize each other to
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  bring us to the truth. He's Catholic and stuff, and
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  sort of like we just have great conversations, but a
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  lot of the time it's like, how do I bring
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  you to be the better version?
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  Speaker 4: Of who you are.
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  Speaker 5: It's like there's somethings that I struggle with that I
• 1:07:51
  talk with him and he tries to help me with that.
• 1:07:53
  There's things he struggles with that he talks with me
• 1:07:54
  and I try to help with him with that. And
• 1:07:56
  it's like, honestly, I think the reason why you're such
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  good friends is this evangelization.
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  Speaker 1: Aspect of it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: It's like we haven't really done anything physical together, like
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  we went on our hike ones. I guess intellectual discussions
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  because that's conversations is an intellectual thing. But it's like,
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  I think it's the evangelization that that is like the
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  core of my friendship with with this guy. And it's
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  like he's a beautiful guy, and it's like it's really
• 1:08:28
  cool to learn who he is and see how he
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  thinks and then just to try to share this like
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  you you've got a wrong way of looking at things,
• 1:08:39
  and I have wrong ways of looking at things, and
• 1:08:41
  we help each other to evangelize each other, to look
• 1:08:44
  towards the truth, which isn't just a purely intellectual thing
• 1:08:47
  because it intellectual is just like we could I could
• 1:08:51
  play a Devil's advocate. It's an intellectual thing. But like
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  to try to point each other towards the truth. Like
• 1:08:57
  you can use intellectual for stuff, but I think that's
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  what feeds into my relationship with them that much, primarily
• 1:09:05
  through evangelizing, which is.
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  Speaker 4: Cool, that is very beautiful. Any closing thoughts, I.
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  Speaker 5: Think just like we went through Expire and talked about
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  how it interacted with friendships, and I've learned stuff like
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  this is a good conversations. Like I've learned things on
• 1:09:33
  each of these topics about how they interact with friendships.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: And it's like.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to see if I can implement
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  them better. To think of it, and maybe when I
• 1:09:47
  have friendships with people and do stuff, maybe I could
• 1:09:50
  write it in my aspire, things like the physical aspect
• 1:09:53
  of how I was physically being a friend with someone.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Oh protab brings a whole new ass back.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Because like maybe I could just throw a ball with
• 1:10:03
  someone for ten minutes in coll of goods, Like it's
• 1:10:05
  not strenuous, but it's like it's to share friendship with people.
• 1:10:09
  It's like it's not the only point to spire, because
• 1:10:12
  the spires to point us higher, but to point us
• 1:10:14
  higher with other people. It's like this, so it's like
• 1:10:18
  just thinks it's like there's so much too friendship.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like we talked about.
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  Speaker 5: Spiritual, physical, intellectual, relational, evangelical, and every time we talked
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  everything we talked about, we accidentally talked about something else
• 1:10:30
  with it because it's also interconnected. And I think that's
• 1:10:32
  what's really cool about spires, Like it's not demarcations of
• 1:10:36
  this thing is spiritual, this thing is physical. There's a
• 1:10:39
  connection of the spiritual and the physical, which we talk
• 1:10:41
  about in theology's body. It's like it's not like five
• 1:10:44
  separate things that you can do that make you better person. Yeah,
• 1:10:48
  like that five ways of looking at the world, But
• 1:10:51
  it's the same world we're looking at right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: It's all very it's like the very subtle differences, which
• 1:10:58
  is what's so nice because like if you trying to
• 1:11:00
  think of like when we try to think of topics,
• 1:11:02
  we're like, okay, what gag or does this spin under?
• 1:11:05
  And it's like, well three of the five for sure?
• 1:11:08
  And I think that's cool too. Yeah, I learned a
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  lot cool.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: But friendship is primarily relationable.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: All of the others build up into it.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: But this is an R Like we could put an
• 1:11:18
  R at the I don't know how to make an
• 1:11:21
  R with my hand, but we can put an R
• 1:11:23
  at the beginning of this title, and it's like, this
• 1:11:24
  is a relational one because it's friendship.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: And that is true.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: So some of them, it's like it's definitely one of
• 1:11:29
  the more so than the others.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: That's true. But yeah, okay, Well, thank you all for
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  listening and being present for those who are at the end, Drew,
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  thanks for listening. Got your shirt, but we hope you enjoyed.
• 1:11:45
  Let us know if there are other topics that you
• 1:11:47
  would like to have to talk about within the Spire Universe.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Universe and extended universe Aspire.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: We should make a movie series Inspire Extended.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Universe spire Man.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Character spire Many.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: Wait you haven't.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I thought we made that the first time, the first
• 1:12:17
  time we talked about the Spire Cinematic Universe. I think
• 1:12:20
  you said that.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because my dad when he made the slides for that,
• 1:12:24
  he has a picture of him as a little kid
• 1:12:26
  dressed as Spider Man, and he's like, be a spire Man. Anyway,
• 1:12:32
  all right, we'll say an outro prayer, Father is an
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  Holy Spirit, Jesus, thank you for this time. Thank you
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  for the ability to have conversations and talk and be
• 1:12:44
  in a country where we don't have to be afraid
• 1:12:46
  of that. Thank you for our lives and everyone who
• 1:12:49
  listens that we get to use the technology that we
• 1:12:53
  have to try to do something good. Be with us
• 1:12:57
  the rest of the week, MHM, and bring us back
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  here safely next time. Amen, Amen, Amen Space m