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Second-guessing? / STOP · Next Level Play Therapy: A Podcast for Play Therapy Excellence

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  Welcome to Next Level Play Therapy, a weekly podcast dedicated to supporting the next generation of child and adolescent therapists to provide exceptional play therapy services.
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  We'll explore all things play therapy to elevate your work with children and adolescents using the therapeutic powers of play.
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  I'll discuss practical tips and ideas so you can provide a transformative experience for your young clients and make a real difference in their lives.
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  So get ready to take your play therapy skills to the next level and make a lasting impact in the lives of children, adolescents, and families.
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  Hey there.
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  Welcome to this week's episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
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  And if you are a play therapist and you feel like a fraud, raise your virtual hand because this episode is for you Um, so just an FYI, we are having a massive thunderstorm today, so you might hear some very loud thunder in the background and that rain.
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  I'm sure they're like these giant raindrops.
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  I live in the desert, so this is awesome.
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  We have gotten more rain in the last month than I think we have in the last two years, so I'm enjoying the rain.
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  That said, it is very loud, so you might hear it in the background.
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  All right.
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  So i- if you're a play therapist and you have felt like a fraud and you have worried that any day now your parents or your clients are gonna figure it out, you are not alone, and this episode's for you.
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  So imposter syndrome from my experience is one of the things that pretty much most play therapists and child therapists, I would actually even say if you're in the mental health field, especially if you're newer to the profession, um, maybe even have a few years under your belt, maybe you're learning something new, the likelihood you've experienced imposter syndrome is very, very high.
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  And the problem with that is that it creates some challenges for you feeling effective and contributes to your imposter syndrome.
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  So if you have ever felt overwhelmed, second guessing your clinical decisions, or worried that your clients are suffering because you're not good enough, then we are gonna talk about that today.
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  So s- so let's get started.
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  So in this episode we're, we're gonna talk a little bit about what is, um, what is imposter syndrome, how do you know you have it, and more importantly, how do you build that confidence so you feel good about your, what you're doing?
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  Pretty much every play therapist I have ever spoken to, every child and adolescent therapist, I would even say if you're in the mental health field, this probably applies to you.
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  Most of us get into this profession because we want to help people, that we have this… It, it feels like a calling or a mission or our purpose to help people who are struggling with mental health issues to heal.
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  And so it's more than just a job for most of us.
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  It, it feels like our purpose in life.
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  So when we're experiencing a p- imposter syndrome, it feels like it hits even harder.
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  Because if you're an imposter and you're not cut out to do this job, what does that mean?
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  What does that mean about the purpose that you thought you were called to?
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  Or what does that mean about all that money you spent on graduate school, and all those hours you spent writing papers or responding to group discussions or trying to figure out how to get your field practicums finished, right?
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  What does that mean?
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  And the likelihood that you are an imposter or that you aren't cut out to do this job is probably, it is not very likely.
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  The like- it's probably more likely you're experiencing, um… Sorry, I got some inappropriate comments in . They're very distracting when they happen.
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  Um, the likelihood you're an imposter is not very high, and the likelihood that you're struggling because you are experiencing imposter syndrome is very high.
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  So that is what we're gonna talk about today.
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  In this livestream episode, we're gonna talk about what is play th- um, what is imposter syndrome and why it's rooted in perfectionism, signs that you're struggling, um, including avoiding or over-accommodating parents, and then some things that you can do to overcome your imposter syndrome and get more confidence.
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  And to me, one of the most important things that we need to be talking about is why getting support and being part of a community is what… And, and learning a play therapy model to do that Why that is really the key to building your confidence, and I would even say your skills.
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  So, let's get started.
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  Oh, before I do that, I do wanna say, if you are watching the live stream episode and you are a child and adolescent therapist or a play therapist, feel free to comment and join, like, join the conversation.
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  What population do you work with?
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  Where do you work?
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  What is your experience with imposter syndrome and, um, kind of second-guessing yourself?
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  Feel free to join the conversation if you're a play therapist or a child and adolescent therapist.
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  Um, also, if you're watching on the live stream replay, this, uh, video replay, feel free to join the conversation as well.
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  I read every comment.
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  We can continue the conversation.
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  If you're listening on the podcast, feel free to send me an email or pop over to Instagram, follow me on Instagram, message me on Instagram at Renewing Hearts Training, and we can continue the conversation.
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  All right, so let's get started for today.
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  The first… So today's episode is are you feeling like a fraud as a play therapist and how to build confidence.
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  So since we're talking about that, the first thing that we need to really look at is what exactly is imposter syndrome?
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  So imposter syndrome is really that feeling that you don't really have the knowledge or the skills to by- to provide good, effective play therapy, and that at any moment now, you'll be exposed as the fraud that you think you might be, and hoping that you're not a fraud, but it feels like it.
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  And your brain is lying to you that you don't know what you're doing, and you're harming your client, or that any day now they're gonna figure it out and leave, or parents are gonna pull their client, their child, which will mean that you, you aren't a good therapist.
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  That's your fear.
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  I'm not saying you are.
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  I'm saying you probably are not.
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  But if you have these thoughts, then it's probably likely that you are struggling with imposter syndrome.
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  Because if you look at your entire caseload, look at all your clients, the likelihood they are all not doing well is probably a sign that you are not the imposter that you're worried you might be.
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  Because the… And it's probably, you're probably struggling with more the complex clients, or maybe you've just l- uh, you know, just learned a play therapy model and you're trying to figure out how to apply that With your clients and figure out what that, what each of those stages look like.
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  That doesn't mean you're a fraud.
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  That doesn't mean you're an imposter.
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  That means you're learning, which is why it's important to make sure you have the support, like consultation, and a community who understands what you're doing that can help you through it.
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  Um, the reality is, from my experience, imposter syndrome is rooted in perfectionism and insecurity.
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  Most play therapists experience it.
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  I, I think all of us experience it at some point in time, so it's not… Y- your brain is gonna lie to you and tell you you're the only one, and I know this because I talk to people all the time when they consult with me or they schedule, um, m- the video calls with me to see if Play Therapy Academy is a good fit or maybe if Elevation Circle's a better fit.
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  I talk to people all the time and I hear this, so I know that you're not the only one.
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  I know, I, I wasn't the only one.
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  I experience these things.
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  So the reason I'm saying this is to convince you if you are doubting yourself or doubting this whole imposter thing is real, then I'm here to tell you that it is and, and the likelihood you might be struggling with it is probably very high, but you're not the only one.
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  And my hope in telling you that is so you won't feel like it's just you.
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  You'll understand that this is part of learning.
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  So, and the reality is imposter syndrome is what drives second-guessing.
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  Replaying those play therapy sessions over and over in your head, doubting those play therapy interventions that you're doing, and maybe you, y- like your imposter syndrome kicks in or you start second-guessing yourself, and then you start doubting and you lack, you know, you're like, "Oh, it, I, I'm just trying any intervention." You start pulling out all your play therapy activities and trying one after another in what is feeling like rapid, rapid-fire succession.
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  The, if that's what you're doing, y- you're probably second-guessing yourself and you might also be wondering if somebody else could be doing a better job So if any of these fit for you, if any of these hit home for you, type me in the comments.
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  Let me know if you are experiencing any of these.
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  Um, because if you have ever left a play therapy session thinking a real play therapist would know what to do, there's a good likelihood you're struggling with imposter syndrome.
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  So here are some signs and symptoms that you're experiencing imposter syndrome.
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  I'm gonna go through my list.
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  If any of these feel, um, feel like they apply to you, then let me know in the chat if you're watching the video or if you're watching the live stream.
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  Post that in the comments, or feel free to send me a private message.
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  So here they are.
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  Ready?
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  Number one, sign-- So these are five, five signs and symptoms that you are struggling with imposter syndrome.
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  Number one, you feel anxious and overwhelmed about how to help your clients.
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  Number two, you've had thoughts that you're a fraud and you don't have the skills to provide play therapy.
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  Three, second-guessing your clinical decisions, especially when the case gets complex or you're working with a hard case.
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  Number four, avoiding conversations with parents because you secretly fear they think you're doing a terrible job.
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  And that leads to number five, which is you're over-accommodating parents.
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  For example, you're not requiring the regular parent consultation meetings because you don't wanna upset them, or you don't wanna add to their stress level.
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  So if any of these sound familiar to you, type which one of those in the comments and let me know.
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  So then what do you do?
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  If you're experiencing any of these, what are some things that you can do?
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  And, um, we're… Just so you know, we, I do have a free webinar coming up.
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  It's called How to Provide Play Therapy Without Second Guessing Yourself, Even with Complex Cases.
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  That's happening on Sunday, October 25th.
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  So we're gonna go into these, uh, in a little bit more depth.
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  It's a 90-minute, a 90-minute free webinar, so, um, I'll talk a little bit more about that at the end as well.
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  But if you're experiencing any of these and it's become a struggle, this can be, this can be exhausting, and the weight of it can feel so overwhelming, which is one of the main reasons that I talk about this co- this topic of imposter syndrome, and it's also the reason that I created the free webinar.
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  So, um, make sure to register if you want to attend.
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  There will be a replay, so if you, if you aren't available, you can still watch the rep- replay, but you have to, you have to register.
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  So all right.
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  So what are some things that you can do To overcome feeling like an imposter.
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  First of all, recognize that even experienced play therapists make mistakes.
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  Nobody's perfect all the time, and here's the thing.
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  A mistake doesn't make you a fraud.
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  It makes you a play therapist who's learning, but also it makes you a play therapist who's getting more information.
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  So I'm gonna say that again.
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  A mistake doesn't make you a fraud.
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  It makes you a play therapist who's learning.
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  Or maybe you just got more information about what's going on with your client and family, the, the child's family if you're doing family play therapy.
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  Maybe you just got more information about what works or doesn't work.
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  I, I, I can't tell you how many mistakes I have made over the course of my career of almost 35 years.
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  I am, I am rounding the corner to 35 years in the child and adolescent mental health field.
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  I have made many mistakes, and usually when I take a step back and I assess what happens, what I realize wa- is that, oh, I just, I just got more information.
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  I just got more in- one, I got more information about me, which helps me be more self-aware and, um, to kind of figure out what's going on with that, and that allows me to show up better for my clients and for my family, to be honest.
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  Um, it also gives me more information about where I am in the trust building process with my clients.
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  It gives me more information about what's going on with my clients, what works for them, what doesn't work for them.
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  So every- everybody makes mistakes.
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  That is the human condition.
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  I mean, that, we are all human.
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  Our job is, though, as mental health professionals, to figure out what that is.
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  Our job is to figure out, is this a me thing that, you know, I just got triggered for some reason?
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  Is it a client thing that just happened?
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  Is it a both of us thing?
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  And then using that information to figure out what to do next So I would reframe it not as a mistake, um, maybe more as data to help me think about what needs to happen.
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  And here's the thing, if you're brand new or you're new-ish to the field of play therapy or child therapy, then you're going to be learning, and that's part of the learning process is making mistakes, learning from them, or having something happen.
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  Maybe it wasn't you that made the mistake, but something'll happen, and how do you use that information to figure out what to do next?
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  To me, again, this is why we wanna make sure to have the support that will help us navigate all of these things, and also the support that we need to learn a play therapy model, what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and who's, who's gonna be in the session.
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  That's why having that support is really, really important.
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  So that's number two is believe you are the expert even when you don't feel like it.
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  I remember way, way back in the day when I first got started, and my imposter syndrome was so strong.
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  And I just really wanted to do a good job.
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  I had felt this calling all of my life.
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  Even as a little kid, I was gonna save the world.
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  I was gonna save kids.
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  As a kid, I wanted to save kids.
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  I just wanted to make life better for kids.
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  And so when I got in the profession and I was brand new about everything, I just felt the weight of that, and maybe you can relate to that.
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  I felt the weight of doing a good job and, and helping The reality was I tend to be a perfectionist, and my insecurities were off the chain back then as well.
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  So yeah, perfectionism and insecurity is definitely rooted in imposter syndrome.
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  Um, so I'm gonna tell you what one of my supervisors told me way, way back in the day, and I think it still is true today.
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  And here it is.
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  If you're in the child and adolescent field, if you're in the mental health field, and now you are on your way to either, um, earning, earning your independent clinical license or maybe you have obtained your clinical license, like your LCSW or LPC or any variation of that one.
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  Here in the US, we have different variations for professional counselors depending on the state you're in.
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  Or maybe you're an LMFT.
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  Maybe you've already got the license, the L, as I say.
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  Um, and here's the thing.
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  You've completed your master's degree, and you may or may not be licensed.
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  That training means you already know more about child development and therapy than your clients and parents.
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  And I, I remember when my supervisor told me that on more than one occasion, to be completely honest, and I remember thinking, "Well, she has a point." And I still don't know if I still buy the whole thing, which is why she had to repeat it to me several times over the course of our, our supervisory time together.
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  Um, and then again, when I was learning play therapy, my supervisor then had to say, it was a different supervisor, my imposter syndrome reared its ugly head again.
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  Um, and so I'm gonna repeat that so that you hear it, 'cause I needed to hear it many times.
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  Your training means that you already know more about child development and therapy than your clients and their parents.
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  And so here's a little radical acceptance that can help you out You can feel unsure and still be qualified.
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  So I'm gonna say that again.
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  So if you were multitasking or doing something else, I want you to come back and hear, hear this, because you might just need to hear this today.
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  And that is, you can feel unsure and still be qualified Right?
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  You can still feel unsure and be qualified Lean back into your training.
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  Lean back into your support.
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  You, you have learned a lot, you just probably are not trusting what you've learned, or you're not sure about the application of it step by step with a variety of different, um, presenting issues, and that takes time, that takes experience, that takes support.
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  So number three, here's another thing, another tip to overcome your imposter syndrome.
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  Learn a play therapy model and stick with it.
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  I say this all the time.
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  I talk about this all the time in Play Therapy Academy.
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  So Play Therapy Academy is my online, um, consultation program.
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  It's very small cohorts, and, uh, they, we do case presentations each time we meet, walking through case conceptualization using a play therapy model, and then how to use that m- that model for this client in this stage of play therapy.
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  So we talk about this all the time in Play Therapy Academy, and here's why.
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  Your play therapy model gives you the language and a map for what's happening with your clients and how that, the, how play therapy applies in each stage of the treatment.
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  It's your map.
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  It's your GPS.
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  It's what helps you know what to do, when to do it, how to do it, and who's supposed to be in the session when you do it.
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  That's your play therapy model.
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  Most people will e- will use more of an integrated approach.
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  I use an integrated approach.
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  That said, when I was beginning to learn play therapy, I, at the time, this is over, over 20 years ago now, at, at the time pretty much the only model there was was Child-Centered Play Therapy.
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  My, my play therapy supervisor was a child-centered play therapist and an art therapist, so that was pretty cool.
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  Um, so that's what I learned.
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  A- and that being said, I'm still a fan of it.
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  Like, I am a fan of Child-Centered Play Therapy, and I learned it.
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  I stuck with it when I hated it.
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  When I wanted to do something else, when I felt like a big giant fraud, I stuck with Child-Centered Play Therapy, so I had a foundation for what I was doing because I wanted to master it so that I could help my clients regardless of what they were presenting with.
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  So that was ki- that, that's been my foundation is child-centered play therapy, and that's what helped me to navigate each stage of the play therapy process.
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  That's what helped me to figure out how to make sense of what was happening in the playroom, and then how do I articulate that, and how do I work with parents?
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  What is their involvement?
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  What is that gonna look like?
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  And I'm not saying you have to use child-centered play therapy if you, if that one doesn't align with you.
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  That's one of the things that we talk a lot about in Play Therapy Academy.
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  Choose a play therapy, a model that aligns with you.
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  Maybe you align more with Adlerian play therapy or maybe you align more with, um, Gestalt play therapy or maybe you like using therapy.
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  Pick a model, pick a foundational model to get started with, and then use that as your foundation.
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  If you decide later, once you've mastered it, that you wanna do more of an integrative approach, then you can do that.
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  But even then, when you're using an integrative approach, you're doing your case conceptualization and your clinical decision-making based on the, the principles and the theory of that particular model, or maybe those if you integrate more than one.
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  Like, a lot of people will use EMDR.
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  So if you wanna use EMDR as your, as your foundation 'cause you work a lot with kids who have experienced trauma, then a lot of times EMDR therapists will integrate internal family systems and do some part work, parts work, or maybe they'll integrate in some, um, family play therapy, and what is that gonna look like when you're working with kids.
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  The thing is, you wanna pick a model and stick with it, because you're gonna struggle to learn how it's applied in every stage with a variety of different presenting issues and clients and their families.
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  But that's what gives you your, your map, and that's what gives you the language that you're gonna use to explain what you're doing to parents, and it's gonna help those conversations feel less scary.
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  Way back in the day when I, um, owned a group pra- group practice, which I do not do now.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, but back in the day, we had one therapist and she, she was all in on child-centered play therapy, and she was really good with it, and sh- I mean, that was her jam.
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  Every fiber of her being connected with that theory model.
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  And she did something that was really cool, and I'm not suggesting everybody has to do this.
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  I just, my nerdy parts are like, wow, what a great idea.
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  Um, I did the verbal.
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  I had, like, my verbal, um, for lack of a better word, scri- uh, script that I use.
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  But she created a PowerPoint presentation, it was like 10 minutes, where when she met with parents, she went through the PowerPoint presentation to explain What child-centered play therapy is and why it's gonna be effective to help their child, and what is their role.
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  And so that way, that, that theory model gave her a language.
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  She could also say it was an evidence-based practice, um, and so that kinda added some more weight to it, so to speak.
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  But the thing is, the, the, the thing is, your play therapy model is what helps you navigate through all the stages.
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  It helps you… That's what helps you figure out if your clients are making progress.
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  That's what helps you make sense of what's going on in the playroom.
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  So you definitely want to make sure, learn a play therapy model.
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  Learn at least one.
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  Stick with one until you have a level of mastery.
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  You can add other things later if you, if you still want to.
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  You might try out different play therapy models to see which one really fits for you, which one aligns for you.
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  It's, I mean, here's my two cents, agree or disagree.
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  I, I think sometimes some play therapy models are better for some clients than others.
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  So in that regard, we would be using more of a prescriptive play therapy approach.
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  Um, so that, that is tip number three.
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  And tip number four is get good consultation and training.
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  Learn how to apply your play therapy model with different clients and different issues through each stage of the play therapy process, and get support from people who understand play therapy.
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  To me, that's the whole, that's the beauty of Play Therapy Academy, is while you're learning in there, you're, you're not only getting my almost 35 years of experience in child mental health, you're getting the combined wisdom of the people in your group, and you're getting their insights and getting help knowing what's going on so you can get unstuck, and you leave with like five or six ideas that you can use next or different strategies.
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  And it, I, I have watched so many times in Play Therapy Academy, people come in with huge imposter syndrome.
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  And by the time they finish, which varies depending on each person- I have watched them, by the time that they finish and by the time they, they leave Play Therapy Academy, their confidence is so much higher.
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  In fact, a lot of the Play Therapy Academy members, I kind of, I tap into them to do some presentations in Elevation Circle when we do some mini trainings in there in our round table, because I, I feel like also one of the things that we do in Play Therapy Academy is build the next generation of play therapy leaders in the field, and so giving opportunities for that as well.
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  So, um, I, I think learning your play therapy model and learning how to apply that in different stages and in, with different clients takes a community.
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  It requires consultation, it requires training, it requires a community to support you through, through that process.
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  And so this is exactly why I will be digging… I'm gonna be digging into this a little bit more in my free webinar that's coming up on Sunday, October 25th, called How to Provide Play Therapy Without Second Guessing Yourself, Even With Complex Cases.
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  And so you're gonna wanna make sure to register for that.
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  So let me do a quick recap for today.
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  We're talking about how, uh, feeling like a play ther- um, are you feeling like a fraud as a play therapist, how to build confidence.
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  And what we're talking about is, um, imposter syndrome, and imposter syndrome is a lie your brain tells you that you're not very good at play therapy and you'll be exposed at any moment as a fraud.
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  It is rooted in perfectionism and insecurity, and we all struggle with it, especially when we are learning something new And some of the signs that you are struggling with imposter syndrome, because it's important to recognize it so then you know what it is, you can name it, and then change it.
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  Figure out what you need to do to change it.
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  So, so some signs that you are struggling with imposter syndrome are you're feeling anxious and overwhelmed about how to help your clients, you're second-guessing your decisions, and you're either avoiding or over-accommodating parents, um, when you may need to gently challenge them.
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  And then the third is, the, to overcome this, you really need a mindset shift and belief in yourself.
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  And so learning a play therapy model and getting support is what actually builds your confidence and gives you the language that you need to explain play therapy to parents so they understand how you're helping your clients.
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  So that is it for today.
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  Um, and here's the thing, imposter syndrome gets loudest when you are working with complicated cases.
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  The family's in crisis, progress seems to be stalled out, a parent is pushing back on you or saying, saying things like,"My therapist told me that play therapy doesn't work." Or maybe you've heard this from a parent who's concerned.
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  They're saying it because they're concerned.
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  That's why.
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  They're worried.
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  They want their child to get better.
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  But maybe they come to you and they say, "Well, the pediatrician said play therapy doesn't work, and you need be- I need to get my child behavior therapy." So raise your hand if that's ever happened to you.
• 37:11
  Um, post in the comments, has that ever happened to you?
• 37:15
  Have you heard that?
• 37:16
  That most definitely is gonna undermine your confidence, definitely will kick in your imposter syndrome, and most definitely is going to feel irritating.
• 37:30
  Like, I get so irritated when I hear that.
• 37:33
  I don't say that to the parents because they're worried, and I need to show up the way they need me to show up.
• 37:39
  But I hold onto that until after the session and after I've had a conversation with parents and tried to reassure them, and I secretly want to scream out loud, and I'm, um, I'm very frustrated with the professional who stepped outside their lines and said things they don't really understand.
• 38:03
  That can be really frustrating as a play therapist, especially if you're doing it alone.
• 38:08
  Like, who do you have to say anything to when that happens?
• 38:12
  So, um, s- and then the second-guessing happens.
• 38:17
  It's like the floodgates open, and the second-guessing and imposter syndrome flood, right?
• 38:25
  So that's why I'm hosting this free webinar, How to Provide Play Therapy Without Second-Guessing Yourself, Even with Complex Clients.
• 38:33
  So we talk about how to trust your clinical decisions and feel steady in the playroom even when the case feels messy.
• 38:44
  So it's on Sunday, October 25th at 4:00 PM Pacific
• 38:48
  Time, 7: 00 PM Eastern Time.
• 38:51
  Time, 7: It's completely free.
• 38:54
  Time, 7: Um, save your spot.
• 38:56
  Time, 7: It is actually kind of filling up, to be honest.
• 39:00
  Time, 7: Uh, um, and so you definitely wanna register soon, and we're gonna post a link in the comments, so you can check the comments here.
• 39:12
  Time, 7: You can also pop over to my website at rhplaytherapytraining.com.
• 39:19
  Time, 7: That's rhplaytherapytraining.com, Renewing Hearts Play Therapy Training dot com.
• 39:26
  Time, 7: Um, check over there.
• 39:28
  Time, 7: You'll see, um, the webinar.
• 39:31
  Time, 7: Click on the links.
• 39:33
  Time, 7: Register soon.
• 39:34
  Time, 7: We will also put the link in the description for here.
• 39:41
  Time, 7: If you're listening on the podcast, uh, the webinar is probably already gone by.
• 39:49
  Time, 7: Um, but if you're, if you're, um, having any questions or- Um, feel free to reach out to me, email me.
• 40:00
  Time, 7: I answer everyone.
• 40:02
  Time, 7: It is me when we answer . It is always me.
• 40:06
  Time, 7: All righty.
• 40:07
  Time, 7: So that is it for today, and I will see you next week.
• 40:12
  Time, 7: Bye for now.
• 40:17
  Time, 7: Thank you for joining me on this episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
• 40:22
  Time, 7: I hope you found the discussion valuable and gained new insights and ideas to support your work helping children, adolescents, and families heal.
• 40:31
  Time, 7: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the podcast and leave a review.
• 40:36
  Time, 7: Your feedback helps to improve and reach more people who can benefit from this information.
• 40:42
  Time, 7: Remember, play therapy is a powerful tool for healing and growth.
• 40:47
  Time, 7: Whether you're a new play therapist or experienced, I encourage you to continue your learning journey to unlock the potential of play in your own work and relationships.
• 40:58
  Time, 7: If you have any questions or topic suggestions for future episodes, I'd love to hear from you.
• 41:05
  Time, 7: Connect with me on social media and visit my website at Renewing Hearts Play Therapy Training to stay updated on upcoming episodes, trainings, and resources.
• 41:18
  Time, 7: Thank you once again for listening to Next Level Play Therapy.
• 41:21
  Time, 7: Until next time, keep playing, learning, and growing.