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The Book of Enoch Part 2 · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen? Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: What a going for you?
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  Speaker 1: You? Okay, so we are.
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  Speaker 4: This is episode thirty four. I won't say the title
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  Speaker 4: because it's so secret from both Robbie and Nick. So
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  Speaker 4: this is part two of our Book of Robbie's Robbie
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  Speaker 4: Marks Book of Enoch Part two and I have with
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  Speaker 4: Nick on today and of course returning philosopher, writer, premial author,
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  Speaker 4: every artist, podcasting genius everything Robbie Marx. So Robbie and
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  Speaker 4: Nick please intro yourself and yeah we'll get going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, everybody, my name's Robbie Marx. Are Marx
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  Speaker 3: Ah Yeah, Nick from the Occult Rejects, Uh, it's all
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  Speaker 3: Have some awesome work from both of them. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: very happy to be here and that you allowed me
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  Speaker 3: to join you. I appreciate it. Of course, always love
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  Speaker 3: story time with Robbie.
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  Speaker 2: Haha.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's part of the whole thing of why
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  Speaker 4: it's like, as I told you last night, Neck is
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  Speaker 4: part of the reason I started my podcast was partly
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  Speaker 4: for to go on your show and also partly so
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  Speaker 4: I could host Robbie.
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  Speaker 2: For this purpose, you could do a whole series just
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  Speaker 2: with Robbie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, this all this information, you know, getting into
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  Speaker 5: all these different subjects, it's really just so expansive that
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  Speaker 5: I don't believe a person within their lifetime could conceptually
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  Speaker 5: be able to, you know, dig into the depths of
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  Speaker 5: all this information.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: No, You're You're totally right, Robbie.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the interesting thing is that you see
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  Speaker 4: where they I'm using they in this and the nebulous
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  Speaker 4: I guess terms I'm not referring to anyone in particular.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that you see that there's been attempts
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  Speaker 4: at different times to synthesize a perennial flaw or permi
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  Speaker 4: like very Avola, right, But then you can also see
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  Speaker 4: that those and not just Devola, but maybe like Theosophy
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  Speaker 4: and Huxley, they always try and make it into one
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  Speaker 4: sort of overarching, singular institution. But there's there's a flaw
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  Speaker 4: in that because not everything, not everything works together that
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  Speaker 4: they have to actually fit together.
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  Speaker 1: It count just you count slought it in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that's specifically when you're looking at the books
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  Speaker 5: of Enoch and the second Book of Enoch, it's basically
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  Speaker 5: a narrative about Enoch getting taken up into the heavens
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  Speaker 5: and you know, seeing where the grigory are, seeing you know,
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  Speaker 5: these different angels and coming face to face with God himself,
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  Speaker 5: you know. But the thing is it's set in in
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  Speaker 5: sevens because the entire Book of Enoch is based around sevens, right,
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  Speaker 5: So you have seven heavens and and lay later on,
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  Speaker 5: it's believed that the eighth, ninth, and tenth heaven were
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  Speaker 5: actually added into the book to make it coordinate and
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  Speaker 5: you know, become fit in line with Kabbala in the
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  Speaker 5: Tree of life as far as the Tensepharroth. So this
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  Speaker 5: is you know, coming from before these ideas, coming essentially
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  Speaker 5: before Judaism, before the evolution of Kabbala. You know, it's
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  Speaker 5: a seven based system, and the Enochian calendar is seven
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  Speaker 5: thousand years long, and then you go, you know, a
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  Speaker 5: thousand years later and the Judaic calendar is you know,
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  Speaker 5: six thousand years long. So you kind of see how
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  Speaker 5: these things move and develop and how they try to
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  Speaker 5: like you're saying, shoehorn them all into a perennial singular concept.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this is really interesting what you said.
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  Speaker 4: Two things really but the idea of the sort of
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  Speaker 4: seven densities or the seven layers. This is so if
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  Speaker 4: you look at the Zohar, like the suffer Ysra, that
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  Speaker 4: idea is more in that original conception, like that's the
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  Speaker 4: idea is seven.
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  Speaker 1: It's seven layers of the universe.
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  Speaker 4: And then seven is the is the number of finality,
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  Speaker 4: Like you come back to netsaw, come back into form,
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  Speaker 4: come back to the garden, right.
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  Speaker 5: That's the ultimate lowest point of the dip before you
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  Speaker 5: start to you know, return back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's a I think they even compare,
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  Speaker 4: if I'm remembering correctly, they compare it to Job.
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  Speaker 1: And so the story in Job is that he has.
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  Speaker 4: The seven great or sort of like an idea of
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  Speaker 4: seven great misfortunes, but then he prospers over seven times.
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  Speaker 1: More and gain seven Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So that's a.
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  Speaker 5: Whole seven seven seven philosophy as well in Job, which
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  Speaker 5: is the earliest part of the Bible.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's what's really interesting is that you do have
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  Speaker 4: these very profound, like much broader than just the story,
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  Speaker 4: than a joke. But of course even the story itself
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  Speaker 4: is quite metaphysically important and I think theologically important. But
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  Speaker 4: you it's right there, so people could yeah, just like
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  Speaker 4: read a Bible and it's like there's a very magical,
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  Speaker 4: very secret kind of understanding right there.
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  Speaker 5: And with the Bible, you know, you have your esoteric
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  Speaker 5: and your esoteric, you have your outer story, and then
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  Speaker 5: you have the learning and the wisdom that's encompassed within
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  Speaker 5: the form of parable.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I have a question for both of you
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  Speaker 3: only because it was something that came up recently that
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  Speaker 3: I heard, and you know, we're talking about Judaism and
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  Speaker 3: I guess the Bible. Now, yeah, well, people were people
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  Speaker 3: speaking Hebrew when the Bible was made.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting question. You go back into the
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  Speaker 5: stories of the Tower of Babel and getting into Nimrod
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  Speaker 5: and the architect there. He was basically it was basically
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  Speaker 5: said that when they divided the languages that they were,
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  Speaker 5: that he specifically was able to keep the original language,
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  Speaker 5: which was Judae, which was which was the Hebrew language,
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  Speaker 5: which kind of implies that it came from before the flood.
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  Speaker 5: So this may be the language that was spoken by
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  Speaker 5: Noah in regard to the whole flood. When you get
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  Speaker 5: up into the idea of you know, the world being
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  Speaker 5: flooded and Noah carrying that seed into the new world.
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  Speaker 3: Did you know, do you think that Kabbala existed at
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  Speaker 3: the same time the Bible came out?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there there is some talk of these day docs,
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  Speaker 5: these children of Noah that basically were roaming around the
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  Speaker 5: Dead Sea meditating in caves and it said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in a couple of places, it said, and they were
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  Speaker 5: teaching Kabbala. So yeah, it's it's interesting to think about
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  Speaker 5: how far back kabbalacs and if you look at the
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  Speaker 5: fact that it is in accordance with the planetary bodies,
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  Speaker 5: and going back to Atlantis with the seven rings and
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  Speaker 5: each ring having essentially a planetary temple on each ring,
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  Speaker 5: that there's always been the worship of the planets and
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  Speaker 5: the movable stars. So as far as the zodiac, and
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  Speaker 5: you get into all the original creation tales of you know,
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  Speaker 5: thought creating the zodiac and going just it's prolific, just
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  Speaker 5: part of.
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  Speaker 3: The whole, you know, is like I was actually questioning
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  Speaker 3: myself and I was like, maybe I don't know, but
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  Speaker 3: like I've seen like this, I guess this idea of
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  Speaker 3: thought getting promoted that Hebrew didn't exist when the Bible
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  Speaker 3: was written. So I was like, if people were practicing kabbala,
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  Speaker 3: I said, prior to the Bible, what language were they using?
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  Speaker 3: When they referred back to it, they stopped using Hebrew?
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  Speaker 3: Like I just didn't understand that. I thought maybe I
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  Speaker 3: was wrong.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, and you know, I don't know how far
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  Speaker 5: back Hebrew actually goes. I would say it's it's one
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  Speaker 5: of the things that morphed kind of into existence when
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  Speaker 5: you compare it to the different alphabetic charts of the
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  Speaker 5: Phoenicians and all the various but At the same time,
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  Speaker 5: there's been stories through the course of these texts that
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  Speaker 5: you know, say, Moses basically you know, presented the Hebrew language,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and then like I was saying, that Tower
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  Speaker 5: of Babel story that talks about you know, the original
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  Speaker 5: a language being Hebrew. Yeah, it's it's hard to say,
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  Speaker 5: but there has been lots of attempts to basically say that.
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  Speaker 5: It's been around, you know, going back pre Deluvian.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I think this is just another ignorant
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  Speaker 3: shiman uh thing. You know, they're fucking moral is going
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  Speaker 3: on talking about that now, And I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that makes any sense.
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: I hate to say.
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  Speaker 1: It, yeah, but you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so well let's get into the Book of Enoch.
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  Speaker 1: How about that interesting?
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  Speaker 5: So, now, the Book of Enoch was an apocalyptic suit
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  Speaker 5: of pol suit of poly polygiographic literature. It's not regarded
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  Speaker 5: as scripture by the Jews or the Christians.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: It essentially came to being in the first century a d.
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  Speaker 5: It's a Slavonic text, but in two thousand and nine
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  Speaker 5: there were fragments of it found in Coptic, which is
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  Speaker 5: the more modern Egyptian text. It's distinct from Enoch one
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  Speaker 5: and it's unrelated to Enoch three. So you know, covering
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  Speaker 5: all three of these books kind of gives you different
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  Speaker 5: flavors of what these different cultures were kind of thinking
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  Speaker 5: in regard to this idea of this character Enoch.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So Robbie in this one does he? So does then Enoch?
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  Speaker 4: You're saying it's distinct from book one? So does he
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  Speaker 4: carry on the same Is he the same.
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  Speaker 1: Archetype as when I'm trying to ask you, is he
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  Speaker 1: like does he yes on? This? Yeah? Okay, like a
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  Speaker 1: lineam figure, a magician figure.
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  Speaker 5: Basically, this character that you know has this encounter, has this.
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  Speaker 5: You see this symbolic night journey. You know, Enoch has
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  Speaker 5: the night journey, Mohammed has the night journey. Jacob when
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  Speaker 5: he has the pillow, you know, when he has the dream,
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  Speaker 5: he has the night journey. This is a very common
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  Speaker 5: theme that we see that an Enoch may have been
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  Speaker 5: the first night journey.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's like part of the hero's journey
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  Speaker 2: in a sense too, uh?
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  Speaker 5: Where the idea of the monomoth and Joseph Campbell to
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  Speaker 5: some extent, Yeah, because he go you know, and it's
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  Speaker 5: just like Bilbo Baggins. He goes out the door, he
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  Speaker 5: has this grand adventure, and then he comes back and
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  Speaker 5: brings wisdom to his people. So that's essentially very much
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  Speaker 5: the idea of what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Here with Eno.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just felt like maybe what was going on
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  Speaker 3: was like kind of a slice of the whole heroes,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, the retur journey.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, and you know, and then within the
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  Speaker 5: hero's journey, you know, you end up getting up to
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  Speaker 5: the labors of Hercules, where you know, they had to
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  Speaker 5: perform these tasks, and the intric seas of the stories
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  Speaker 5: seem to become you know, higher and higher and interrelated between. Again,
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  Speaker 5: back to trying to relate this stuff to some sort
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  Speaker 5: of perennialism.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I do think there's something interesting with what
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  Speaker 4: Nick said about like, so this is something I found
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  Speaker 4: Nick is that and Robbie as well, is that it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to trace the magician or that specific archetypal character
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  Speaker 4: in the Joseph Campbell's like monomth like his he created
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  Speaker 4: basically like a separa.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a sphere.
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  Speaker 4: Where he's demarketed into five or four quadrants, and then
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  Speaker 4: each quadrant has five to seven characteristic I think, yeah, characteristics,
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  Speaker 4: and then you sort of can trace out, Okay, is
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  Speaker 4: this is this a hero that fits within that? It's
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  Speaker 4: actually quite hard to trace that kind of like gandolf
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  Speaker 4: I guess you could say figure through that story.
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  Speaker 1: There is a way to do it, but it's not you.
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  Speaker 4: Have to add in all these other sort of like
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  Speaker 4: what later authors kind of added to his own, I
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  Speaker 4: guess formulation. So it's interesting that you bring that up
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  Speaker 4: because it's often I think of it as like the
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  Speaker 4: eighties that are heroes, right, like every there's this like
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  Speaker 4: the King of Heaven archetype. He is the quintessential hero.
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  Speaker 4: But then you have this other Promethean Robbie and I
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  Speaker 4: talked about this in the first one, like this Enoch
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  Speaker 4: is like a Promethean figure where he's kind of bringing knowledge,
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  Speaker 4: bringing wisdom, bringing understanding of the text to people through
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  Speaker 4: his own experience. So there's something mirrored in him. But
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  Speaker 4: he's almost an anti hero in a way too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely is interesting looking at all those aspects
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  Speaker 5: and how they But that figure of the magician is
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  Speaker 5: all is the amorphous figure that kind of is the outsider,
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  Speaker 5: that is the one peering in and observing the hero
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  Speaker 5: system almost you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's really well, said Robbie. I totally
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  Speaker 1: agree about.
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  Speaker 5: So now this, uh, this is generally considered as a
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  Speaker 5: medieval manuscript. Scholars indicate that there are temple practices within it,
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  Speaker 5: so this is seen as a second Temple.
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  Speaker 1: Uh text.
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  Speaker 5: And basically they call the temple hah Ahuzon, which is
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  Speaker 5: a cryptic name from Jewish literature for the second Temple. So,
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  Speaker 5: but it's interesting, this is a Slavonic text, so this
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  Speaker 5: is in the Slavian regions that this comes from. So
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  Speaker 5: now we have the night Journey, right, and Enoch tell
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  Speaker 5: his children not to seek for him, and it has
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  Speaker 5: you know, these different angel descriptions, you know, and they're
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  Speaker 5: like fiery burning eyes, and like their skin is like
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  Speaker 5: the embers of coal and that are like emitting like
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  Speaker 5: glorious light that's like blinding, and like this just has
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  Speaker 5: some of the greatest imagery. If if people want to
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  Speaker 5: seek this out and read it, I would highly encourage it,
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  Speaker 5: just because it has some really.
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  Speaker 1: You know, beautiful kind of uh ideas within it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I just want to go back quickly to
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  Speaker 4: something that you guys both spoke about at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: when Nick asked about the sort of the historicity of
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  Speaker 4: Hebrew and you were talking about the seven and this
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  Speaker 4: idea of shit, and I forgot my point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, keep calling. It's okay, it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: So what ends up happening is this angel comes down
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  Speaker 5: and he takes Enoch up into the heavens, and in
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  Speaker 5: the second heaven, they run into the apostates that are
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  Speaker 5: like waiting kind of like this is almost like a
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  Speaker 5: limbo kind of region where there's just all these souls
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  Speaker 5: that are kind of they weren't really good people and
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  Speaker 5: they're just kind of in waiting, like this kind of
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  Speaker 5: sheol kind of idea, you know. And then he's taken
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  Speaker 5: up to the third heaven, which is essentially, I believe,
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  Speaker 5: the Garden of Eden, because there is the presence of
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  Speaker 5: the Tree of Life. There's this fragrance that's in the
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  Speaker 5: air that he talks about, and he says that the
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  Speaker 5: Tree of Life is like fire like and it's like
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  Speaker 5: made out of living flames and just like and how
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  Speaker 5: they're projecting up into the sky and down into the
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  Speaker 5: earth and it almost reminded me of like an electric
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  Speaker 5: like towrard field that encompasses and creates kind of like
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  Speaker 5: what life is, you know. But it says that it
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  Speaker 5: produced all fruit and that from its roots sprang forth
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  Speaker 5: honey and milk, and you know, going back into the
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  Speaker 5: Saturnian age of milk and honey and the ideas of
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  Speaker 5: you know, just the pure like open cleanliness of you know,
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  Speaker 5: nature taking care of everything.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: But there were three hundred angels basically to keep this garden,
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  Speaker 5: and they were very bright, and they were all like singing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk.
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  Speaker 5: Of like every like vibration, like you know, everywhere you go,
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  Speaker 5: there's these different entities that are like singing and praising
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  Speaker 5: and the idea of this, you know, saying holy, holy,
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  Speaker 5: holy of this. And it's just, you know, when you
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  Speaker 5: get and back to the Lord of the Rings, the
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  Speaker 5: idea of the ring its elf, you know, is it
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  Speaker 5: just the ring that's on the finger, or is it
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  Speaker 5: the intrinsic sound the ring, the tone that emanates and
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  Speaker 5: vibrates through all of creation, right, And and then you
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  Speaker 5: get into if you go back to Tolkien Submarinian, he
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  Speaker 5: talks about that in the beginning of creation. All of
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  Speaker 5: the angels were singing in perfect harmony with one another,
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  Speaker 5: and they were all like, you know, basically this ring
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  Speaker 5: or this tone that was sending out and being creation.
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  Speaker 5: And there was and he talks about there was one
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  Speaker 5: specific angel that thought it was so beautiful everything that
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  Speaker 5: he was, that he saw that was happening, that he
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  Speaker 5: started to sing a different song to praise how beautiful
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  Speaker 5: all of creation was. And this was essentially the idea
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  Speaker 5: of you know, Lucifer or the rise of that original creation.
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  Speaker 5: So even Oulkan, you know, has this idea of this
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  Speaker 5: intrinsic ringing or this vibration that is you know, creating.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's really weird when you were
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  Speaker 3: explaining this, and you know, I've talked about it recently.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I even said it on gin show.
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  Speaker 3: But like when I talk about like that experience I
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  Speaker 3: have with the eclipse, when I talk about like the
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  Speaker 3: color someone to spin out like in my visual like
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  Speaker 3: it is almost like something that looks like spirals emanating
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  Speaker 3: off of like the eclipse, and like around that time
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  Speaker 3: is when I go death hm hm, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: it's just more visual instead of actually hearing anything, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: it looks like a pulsating, vibrating rings coming off of
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: like the eclipse and coming down at me. And it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: just like the way you're explaining that right now, I
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: was like, fuck, this like just kept making me think
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: It's really weird, interesting, interesting. Okay, so now this, uh.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Robbie, reframe my original question that I forgot. But
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: so there was this. This is an interesting point and
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I'm sure both of you know this, but the you
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: know this was a problem amongst the early Hebrews or
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: the early Jews is that they would often create metallic
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: statues for the worship of the host. I think I've
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: even heard you discuss this, Robbie, and the prohibition against
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: graven images really comes from the worship of the planetary hosts,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: and they would make the statues in the planetary metals.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: But the reality was is like you can see, like
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: when it occurs in the Bible, and it occurs several times,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: the profit of that time will.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Say, no, you should not do this, this is not
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And so you can see that sometimes people's perception of
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: what early Judaism was is it's infused with these ideas
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: that are misunderstood, and then later that gets extended in
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Catholicism where they Seektholics using statues, but they don't quite
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: understand what the actual original rabbinical prohibition was about. But
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Catholics perfectly adhere to that Old Testament,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you know, thinking, but I think it's interesting. And then
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: you said something else that I will several things. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the tree of life produces all fruits. So what if
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you could consider the fruits almost as as I often say,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: seeds are just the words, So the fruits themselves must
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: also be language.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: They must be like the languages.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: But at that time language was unified until as you related,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: there's one angel who sings in the discoherence or the
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: decoherence with all the others. Interestingly, to bring up something
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: that Nick and I discussed on his episode, pink is
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the color of decoherence. But pink has a special property,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: and that although it is decoherent with the other sounds
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: or colors that are occurring at the same time, there's
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: a creative property there. It's not it's not like purple,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's like it takes on. Uh, it's a
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: higher principle.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Those well, and when you look at vibratory color itself,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: you know, every color has a frequency, and red is
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: the most violent frequency.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: But then if you take that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: And you mix that, uh, that agitated waveform, and you
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: mix it with white, which is representative of light, then
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: it kind of, uh, it raises it on a on
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: a certain level, you know what I mean. Yeah, pinky
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: pink is an interest, and and those into the purples
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and the you know, yeah, very interesting how the waveforms
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: even work in themselves, you know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: This m yeah, sorry, neck, go ahead.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I was just agreeing you said, yeah, definitely
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: with the color freuencies.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: So now this uh, this, what was that? The third
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: heaven right, being essentially the garden where the tree is
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: at it is prepared for the righteous. It is like
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: the inheritance of everyone who seeks higher you know, consciousness
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: and weighs on the earthly plane, away from matter, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: but the Enoch ends up getting taken up to the
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: northern side of this third heaven, which is Eden, right.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And on the.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: North side of this heaven there's a fiery river of frost, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: and there there is torturing going on without mercy and it. Uh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: they talk about this is where the people who sodomized
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: children and practice black magic for fornication and murder, who
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: injure the poor just to gain wealth. Basically they bow
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: down to unclean gods, and this is where they're put
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: you know, Like I said, what was it torturing without
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: mercy in this fiery river of frost? So I thought
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: that was interesting that this this was you know, pretty
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: kind of Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: One thing I thought was interesting particularly was the idea
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: of the no it's like a northern quadrant. So this
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: is something from tontra that you often see if you
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: look at when I post like Mondolas, and it's really
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: it's a cosmological map of the universe. So interestingly, different
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: tntras actually have different conceptual models of the universe. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: even if you practice two different texts, they might actually
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: have a different model of the universe in each one,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: so you have to kind of switch over for when
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you're doing the other one. So there's one idea that
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Venus or is the Northern Quadrant, is the planet of
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: the Northern Quadrant. But then there's also an idea that
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Saturn is the is the planet of the Northern Quadrant.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: So it again, it depends on sort of your framework.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: But it's really interesting because venus has this particular association
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: with ice, it also has a particular association with It's
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: not inherently transgressive as such, but it rotates counterclockwise. So
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: if you move in that transgressive way, or a transgressive swastika,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: which would be the counterplock motion of that, then you're
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: able to manipulate material goods, like you're able to pull
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: material benefit from the milk ocean that's kind of over
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the ocean of honey.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: And that's the feminine swastika, correct, yes, and then when
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: it spins the clockwise it would become the masculine swastika.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Well, it depends because we try and say that you
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: should let the wheel be free like nondual, completely nondual
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: spinning any direction that the natural inclination.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: But you're the way you want the energy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Kind of if you want to think of it as
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: like bio biological model, you want the energy to spin clockwise.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: But sometimes you have things that you need to break up,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: maybe energetic bodies or negative obstacles in your life, so
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: you have to destroy that. So it's not inherently negative,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: it's just that you have to move the wheel in
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: a specific way in order to break up the aggregation
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: and then you can like purify it from.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: There, nice and okay. So then Enoch is taken to
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: the forth heaven, and there are four thousand stars on
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: one side and four thousand stars on the other side,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: and these are basically represented as phoenixes and chiakra days
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: with twelve wings, and these are if you look into
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: what these chiostra days are, they're related to the serpent
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: or the Seraphim, and basically they and saraph itself means
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: to burn, so you know, these burning stars are seen
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: as you know, and there you get the constant in
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: a relationship between the stars and the different angels. So basically,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: you know, you have the Openem, the Seraphim, the Cherubim,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: the various classes of angels that that you know are
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: kind of pointed out, and then they show Enoch the
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: gates of the Sun, being six gates placed within the
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: four seasons. The western parts of the solar calendar are
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: guarded by four hundred angels, and these phoenixes and chacrates,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: they basically spark into song when Enoch enters into the
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: fourth Heaven, right, and they tell they get into the
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: gates of the moon thirty to thirty one days, three
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five day calendar beginning in March, a
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: twenty eight year solar cycle, they get into the Great
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: cycle of five hundred and thirty two years, and they
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: base this is basically the calendar that Orthodox Christianity ended
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: up using to come up with the date for the
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: creation of Adam, which is said to be March first,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: five thousand, five hundred and eight BC, was when Adam
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: was basically created. So and that kind of plays into
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: the whole idea of the six thousand year calendar of
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Judaism as well, you know, and again back to the
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Enokian calendar being seven thousand years and the Hebrew calendar
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: being six thousand years.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So just a quick note on that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting because this idea has come
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: up a lot in terms of like the stuff that
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I'm doing, is like this idea of the sixty versus
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: seventy year calendar, because there is a Shrivida tntra that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: shows a seventy year calendar. However, their lunar cycle is
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: very similar to what we use in Buddhism. In the
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Kala Charker tntra. So these are both very high level,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: very secret, not secret st but generally quite well guarded texts.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting that they have a difference like that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Ten years makes a lot of difference when you're doing
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: like long calculations for the whole you guy, or the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: whole aon. But then the lunar calendar actually correlates better,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: like you're saying, like gates of the moon, and then
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: there's like there's a way to understand it where they're
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: actually converging on a point even though their solar cycle
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: might be different. Right, So the lunar calendar seems to
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: have this secret knowledge that yeah, that we kind of
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: have forgotten a little bit in the West, or that
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: people have like not paid attention to.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: And in Egyptian, the dark side of the moon is
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: the secrets of thought, you know, because he was the
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: secretary of the moon that basically you know, hid in
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: the shadows. He was the secret wisdom of the lunar knowledge.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up, Robbie, because
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like when it comes to ceremonial magic,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it was always known that tooth is associated with the moon,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: but not too many people seem to like acknowledge that,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you know, don't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's wrong, maybe it's right.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: But for me it makes a whole lot of sense
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: because even though Toth fits on number eight, I actually
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: think the hero's journey, of my sense and in a way,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: really starts at nine, which would be the moon in
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the tree.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I think once you leave with your story on your journey.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So for me, I think it makes the even like
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: our cough ne consu is even like there. You know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of people tend to think that the moon
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: is always female deities, but there is actually male deities
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: that are associated with the moon, and I sure I think,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: like I think in some sense us not looking at
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: that kind of maybe leaves out a lot to understand
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: when it comes to that idea, you know.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're bringing up a male deity really
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: for the moon.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Well, and in the Bible when they say go and
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Sin no more right, Sin was actually a moon god
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: in one of the neighboring countries, and he was a
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: male personification of the moon. So yeah, there are there
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: and I believe the Japanese as well see the moon
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: as a male personification.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I want to mention about Sin. I'm so glad you
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: brought this up, Robbie and Nick.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Is that Sin is such an interesting deity because he
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: wears the crescent moon, like robbis saying, on his head.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: So it's very toth like in many ways. Right. Oh,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he's definitely related to both.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and and a lot of the Indian and Iranian
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: scholars have actually said that he's very Shiva, like Shiva
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: has an av or not. It's not an avatar, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: it's like a form where he is a little boy
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: riding a black dog.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that black dog.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, And so he is he that's where he would
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: kind of be. He's like, he's not at the moon.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: He's more of like the eclipse, but he's not physically,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: he's not phenomenologically the eclipse.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: But he walks on the paths. That's how it's described
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: as he walks on the paths upwards. So he lives
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: leading you to knowledge, but he's not saying anything. You're
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: supposed to just follow his example.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: So I just I think, but he's also related to Sin,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: and I just think that's so interesting. In the in
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the king who rebuilt the temple, or the not the temple,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: but the.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Ziggurat of er Er.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, he was also a follower of that deity of Sin,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: So we don't really know what came before Sin, is
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: what I is sort of what I think, we don't
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: really know, like the original practice of the Sumerians, like
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: we're kind of it's kind of mystified lost in time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: All we know is what this one king who saw
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: this ancient ruin remade and then but he was of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: his own religion, right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: And that remaking of that does Zerot was basically the
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: knowledge that was gained from the pillars from before the deluge,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: where they you know, got the information on architecture and
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: the seven you know, sacred sciences and basically brought the
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: and rebuilt Babylon and brought worship of the gods back
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: into you know a time again.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah again, No, you're totally right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting because you have to sort
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: of look at the calendar as something I've been thinking
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: about is that you look at the planets and the
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: calendar system is not fixed, right, They have to be
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: flexible to match your you guys, they can't just be
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: it can't just be this knowledge that transcends time. It
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: actually has to make sense to your civilization.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: So next Enoch he is taken into the fifth heaven,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and this is where he encounters the fallen angels, essentially
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: the Greek grigory, and they're basically sitting in silence with
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: withered faces. And this is where we get the Hebrew Mariam,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: which is equivalent to the watchers, and they are the
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: ones who corrupted the humans and will be punished on
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: God's great day.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because the fifth Suffarrah is obviously Guevera.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: That's where the entrance to Samel would be, like where
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: his gate would be if you're looking at the cleep
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: off and so or Aszel. There's some authors who say
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: one or the other, but sometimes they say that's the
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: same angel. So yeah, if you write it depends on
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: the text. I think we even mentioned this in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: first one. But that's interesting because that is also where
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: that like left handed Angel of God appears also on
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the cabalistic tree, that fifth density.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: So next he goes to the sixth heaven with seven
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: bands of angels brighter than the sun, and they measure
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: all life on heaven and earth and write down all
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: souls of men. And here in the sixth Heaven there
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: are six phoenixes, six cherub them and six winged ones
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: that sing undescribably beautiful songs that basically resonate through all
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: of the sixth Heaven.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: I mean that again totally makes sense. Tipper a six
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: sixty six solar. Yeah, right, I mean, it's just it's
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: all there, the phoenix. Although you can make an interesting
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: argument that the phoenix is really on a path, it's
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: really on the path between like a burns yeah, exactly, exactly,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: rather than being fixed. But yes, absolutely it's there. You know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: the idea of the songs and the singing like this
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: is also a tontric idea, like, uh, there's a sound
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and it happens at yasod or where what we would
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: call your sad and it's like but it's more of
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a vibration, maybe more of a drum beat, right, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: then when you are at the sun. Yes, it's full
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: music and a full grammar and a full composition. But
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: in any composition there is sort of a magical element
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: because it's constructed like a language.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So it can be illusory, is what I'm trying to say. Right.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: So next he's taken to the Seventh Heaven and there
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: are fiery troops of archangels, corporeal forces and dominions, Cherubim
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: and seraphim, thrones.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And the many odd ones.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Enoch at this point he becomes afraid and begins trembling,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: and he is told do not fear, you know. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: as he's ascending higher and higher into the resonant you
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: know forms, it's starting to you know, shake the vibe
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: vibrations of what reality is.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Nick, Yeah, I was just thinking about that,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Like I do use that a lot now when like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: you know what, I just feel like my experience sometimes
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: like there's certain times where it was like a little fearful,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: but if you kind of let it go and just
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: experience it, yeah, things happen. But I don't know, there's
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of things that you say just remind me
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: of my experiences and shit, it's just very weird.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yea.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: So now the tenth Heaven, right, Enoch is in the
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: seventh Heaven right with all these energetic forces around them,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: and you know the description of some of them, like
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I said, they're like translucent fire and frost, and you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: their eyes are glowing and they're like.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You know, their heads are on fire.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Reminds me kind of like John Dee's and uh what
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: was his name, the Magician when they came up with
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: the Enochian language, Edward Kelly, when they were when you
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: go into the descriptions of all these different Enocchian energies
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: that that are within John d and Kelly's work, you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: I think they directly pulled a lot of this stuff
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: from these old texts.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: So, but now in the Seventh Heaven, Enoch he can
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: see the tenth heaven right, and so he can see God.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Basically they call him uh air air rocked ara rot
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: in the Hebrew tongue, and that era era vot it basically.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Means holy, holy, Holy.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: So all these entities are just singing, chanting in procession
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: hypnotically you know, holy whole like and and resonating and
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you know, basically hold in some sense, maybe holding all
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: of time space together.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I just want to jump in here, Robbie.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's really fascinating.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I found, as Nick mentioned, I found your description of
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the seventh Heaven, which would be nuts Ac very interesting
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: because in Joe Tisha. It's described as a diamond, but
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: in Kabala, it's also described as like a block of ice, right,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Like it can be either, and that also makes sense,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: like it's really the same thing. It's a translucent kind
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: of idea, but very dense hard yes, yes, and so
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: it's the light. It's like golden light literally passing through
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the faceted cut diamond.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So you can see God. You can see God beyond the.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Material form, but you're not you don't have direct access
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: to him. It's all like you can reach out and
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: touch him. You're still you're still there, You're still down
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: in the lower world.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Well, you're still caught in the crystallization.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, function of matter.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: How many into like you're in that procedural form as
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: matter crystallizing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, very well, said thank you.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so and and and it says heavenly soldiers stood
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: in order on ten ten steps each bounding down in rank.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: And it said this I found this, uh an interesting concept.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: But there was strong and fierce soldiers singing with soft
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: and gentle voices. You know, it's just the.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Loves venus, yeah, giver loves and nets. That's it would
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: be that like the soldiers. That's the clear gevera archetype.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: They're like iron iron armor, right, and then but they're
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: like kneeling before what is more, the more resplendent light, right,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the many faceted eyes like the angels of those like
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: that class.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the many id ones. Yes, thank you're obvious. Yes.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So now.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: The guides that Enoch has had to this point, they
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: leave him right, and he becomes very afraid and basically
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: falls down.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: On his face.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: And then Gabriel comes and gives gives him advice. He's
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: guided by Gabriel, and he Gabriel proceeds to pick Enoch
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: up from the seventh heaven and takes him directly to
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: the tenth heaven, right, and he takes him to the
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Lord's face and places him directly in front of the
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: face of God himself in its effervescent like shining and
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: you know, burning form. It's just a great story. But
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: it says, his face like iron made to glow in fire,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: emitting sparks, and it burned marvelous and very amazing, undescribable
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: and very very very terrible.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I wonder if they're referring there to sky iron or meteorite,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: because that is that is very common in the Himalayan
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: text when they yeah, especially to refer to the highest
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: like the highest kind of form or the highest I
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: guess thurgic forces that that would it would produce at
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: least produce adamantine or meteorite.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's really interesting.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: And then I also want to say this last thing
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: is that you when you're saying the tenth heaven that
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: is so interesting because both Malcouth and Keather could be
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: considered ten because what is zero at a placeholder?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Right or but a breath?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: And again but again I'm going to go back to
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: there are beliefs that the eighth, the ninth or yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: the eighth, the ninth, and the tenth heavens were added
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: in after the fact on this text, so you have
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: to kind of, you know, see some intercession in regard
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: to the future playing with the past.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting too.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: So if the Orthodox ups it as it is written,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I guess so they're accepting that there are the ten
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: layers of reality, right.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we could say just.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: As a hypothetical, just like armchair magician saying like okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: it's really and there's a corruption here, or maybe it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: like a conceptual layer because I think that's how I
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: would prefer to think of it as like you could
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: just think of it as like you were saying, Robbie,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: like the fear. Well, he's coming back down like netsalk
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: in contra at least the goddess Tntros.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: That's the terminus.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: So that's where the light sort of comes into fruition, right,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: if you want to even use that word. Yeah, But
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: then what happens. Gabriel comes in from the moon. Gabriel's
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Angel of the Moon, so he comes back from Ysode.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: We're all for Hode and net SoC are both rectified.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: It's the light comes from Ysoude and but then the
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: light from those two sears are also rectified there, so
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: it's like a coming together. Gabriel comes in from the moon,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: draws you in. And where do we really live.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Is on well in the I guess I'm they's right,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: we live on the moon. But the truth is really us.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: So it's taking us like to face what is like
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: our higher I'll maybe this is a little young in
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: but it's like our higher self almost like that we
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: see God, but it's like not us.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: But it's something you know, a little. It's it's partly
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: it's partly like our understanding of what we're.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Seeing revelation of the self in regard to eternity that
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: we exist within. Yeah, well said, so let's see uh now,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, So at this point, the angel archangel Michael
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Michael Michael comes in and lifts Enoch up so he's
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: you know, literally face to face and and God basically
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: removes Enoch's earthly garments or his skin, right, and then
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: he's anointed with a sweet ointment that is sweet like
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: dew and very bright, and he puts him in the
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: garments of glory. And it's at this point that later
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: on we see Enoch becomes translated, but he becomes transformed
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: into a glorious one as an angel.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: And at this point God summons the angel uh Provail,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: who's an archangel that is related to pin Ameu, a
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: lot of people say, which was basically one of the
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: fallen angels that went and landed on Mount Hermon, right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: and he's the one that taught humans how to write
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: and is basically related to back to thought again. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: let's see these uh this, and the reason God summoned
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Pravael was because he is the he's quicker in wisdom
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: than all the other angels, and he supplies Enoch with
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: books and writing utensils and gives Enoch to access to
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: the angelic writings of the Seraphim that are basically the
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: knowledge of all the workings of the cosmos and the
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: knowledge of the souls and the lives of all the
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: individuals through all of time, right, and basically all souls
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: prepared for eternity before the formula. Okay, so then it
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: gets into the guff, which is interesting. There's this idea
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: of the guff which you know, in the last Enoch
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: we talked about there was the well of the dew,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: and the well of the frost, and the well of
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: you know, these various the winds and the rains. Well,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: the guff is basically the well of souls, right, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: each soul, it says, is created for a time and
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: a place when when the guff is empty, time will end.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: And basically he tells the Enoch secrets not even the
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: angels know of their creations and why so basically, Enoch,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: he's getting all this stacred information and you know, basically
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: writing it down in these books that he's going to
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: end up taking back to his his family on Earth.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: So there's something really interesting about this, Robbie, when you're saying,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: I know because you when you were doing your Nimrod
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: series with Nick, I would always think of it when
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: you would mention like the skinlessness. And so a lot
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: of contric deities are portrayed as being skins or wearing
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: not necessarily skinless themselves, but they are wearing skins, sometimes
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: of men, sometimes of an elephant, sometimes of something else,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: but the usually of those two, those are the two
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: prominent ones. Where the elephant would represent like the of
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: kingdom of man, the terminus of like where that begins
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: and ends, so like what is beyond the kingdom of
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Man into space, and then the man would represent like
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: his ego or his fear. It can be either when
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: it depends what deity is wearing the thing, but in
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: particular it's associated with fear and associated with like that
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: fear of moving out out of formless to form into formlessness,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: which is something that I also discussed with Nick. So
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: it's so interesting to hear it sort of come full
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: circle again because a lot of the higher contric deities
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: like Havadra or Chakra Samvara. They have this association with
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: the wheel. I mean, the wheel is sort of there's
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: an implication of wheel turning king in their names. Maybe
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: not for Havazra, but there's an idea there. And he
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: doesn't have an identity. That's what his name even means.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It means he who is the ato, he who is
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: adamantine and empty, so he who is forged and then
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: also empty.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: But empty isn't nothingness. It's just to borrow something. Lisa says,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: it's massless, so yeah, you know, it's like it's and
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: it's luminous as well, like you were saying, like the
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: shining angles. So there's this an idea that the words themselves,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: like the actual seeds of the fruits, they have an
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: internal luminosity that doesn't come from the sun, that doesn't
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: from any other external source, but that's there within them.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: And even if they're corrupted or what we would call burnt,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: because the ocean of sugarcane is where the is where
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: the words come from, sweet words at least, and when
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: you use them improperly, they become burnt. So but there's
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: there's another there's a way to rectify them, and that
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: is true doing either right handed or left handed practices.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: It's actually to refine the physical words or the words
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: as sounds and also in the writing. So it's not
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: really for doing magic. That's what a lot of TNTRA people,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: I think forget, is that it's not about magic. It's
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: about you're supposed to rectify, purify the Sanskrit. And I
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: know that the reconstruction of Hebrew was in the early
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: nineteenth century was also have this idea in mind, whether
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: you want to call it a coubalistic idea, is to
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: rectify the way the world is through the words, through
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: the optual right like syllibary that they.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Use, and the words that we use create the construct
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: of the reality that we exist in. The words are
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: a very important essential factor. I mean, and you constantly
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: hear within these ancient texts of you know, the word
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: made you know real or visible essentially, you know, let
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: there be light, and there was light, you know, God
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: said let there be So there's this idea of the
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: word being the function. And when you get into physics
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: and start looking at the observer affecting reality, and you
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: were talking about the luminescence, the self created luminescence of
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: the seed. You know, when the sperm hits the egg,
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: a spark of light is generated. You know, you get
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: into DNA and RNA, and when DNA zips itself up,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: it actually creates photons of light. You know that that
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: you know, our self generated within the function of the
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: reproduction of DNA itself. So it's it's very interesting this uh,
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: this luminous light that is in the seed.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: So something I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Lisa had brought that up not too long ago when
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I guess she was like, I guess listening to like
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: my story that I was covering, and she says, I
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: find it interesting, how like, you know, when you think
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: about when life is created, there is that flash of light.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: And she's like, you're talking about seeing it before you
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: cross the abyss. She's like, I wonder if it's like
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's there at birth and the death
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: And you go and you come in with light and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you go out with it with light. Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's you know, very much like when you're born,
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: you get a mass injection of d MT into your system,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: and then at that moment that you're going out, you
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: also get another mass burst of d MT in your
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: system as you're as you're dying. So there is you know,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: you know, the spirit molecule d MT. It's an interesting,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: you know, road to go down and look at. But
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: getting back into the Book of Enoch, right, I want
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: to read this little part where during this time that
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: Enoch is learning all these secrets of eternity and creation
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: and how the world came into being, right that he's
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: writing down in these uh, these books that he's writing.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: It said, now, this is from the second book. It says,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I command in the very lowest that visible physical things
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: should come down from invisible spiritual and that ad All
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: came down very great and behold him, and low he
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: had a belly of great light. And I said to him,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: become undone, ad All, and let the visible come out
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: of you. And he came undone, and rate light came out.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: And I was in the midst of the great light.
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: And as there is born light from light, there came
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: forth a great age and showed all creation which I
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: had thought to create. And I saw that it was good.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: So this is God telling Enoch how he created the
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: physical world. Right, And when you look into this idea
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: of a doll, a d o I l a d
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: oil a doll. It's basically a luminous aon primarily an
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: agent of creation and an invisible thing.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: And later on in the text, you know, God says
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: that a doll ad all is above his throne and
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: nothing is higher than it. It is a mystery, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: God orders it ascend higher than his throne. And then
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: within the twenty fifth chapter of the Apocalypse in the Bible,
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: they talk about the final consummation of creation will recall
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: and disintegrate ad All.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And it's also been compared.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: To the Gnostic idea of Barbello being the first created
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: emanation of purity that is neither negative or positive, kind
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: of like you were talking about there just second ago Jin.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, Tantra matches, or at least Buddhist nenttra.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe not the Indian tantra, but the Buddhist Tantra matches
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: this idea very well. Of the Barbello we have the
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: sort of Lilith Chamanda Ekajati figure, but in Buddhism, she
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: actually reaches a higher apotheosis, so it's not just her
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: as a low goddess who accepts blood sacrifice. It's like
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: her as the primordial consort, so she is like she's
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: she's completely liberated from like the old ideas.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: But my point is is that when you retext that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Say, like a recital little prayer to the primordial existence,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: it often calls it the vajra MoU or like the
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: primordial grandmother. So it's like very Barbello, right, And she
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: is kind of invisible in some ways because she's also
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: one eyed, but the eye is not of the world,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: it's it's her third eye, so it's like her spiritual eye.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: So that's because she's not so she doesn't get attached
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: to what she sees in.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Front of her right, kind of like the eye of providence. Yes,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: very similar.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: And then going out that you said, Robbie, was you
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: were talking about like, so this idea of the word
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: as the cause, and I think we talked about this
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: even in a little bit in the first one is
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: that we were trying to figure out like, yeah, there's
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: all these different ways of understanding what the cause is.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: So there's the gnostic idea that the thought is caused
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the epanoia is the cause, or word as the cause,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: or the third cause, which is like perception, so or
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: that can also be the second cause, and then the
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: third cause is really the word sorry. But in contra
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: this actually makes a lot of sense, even for to
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: go back to the Barbello example, the first cause is
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: not really a cause. The first cause is destruction, then
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: the second cause is perception, and then the third cause
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: would be the word.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: So I think that's.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Really interesting just for people to kind of formulate like
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: around like we're trying seven layers or ten layers. But
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: then you have these three primary causes of formation or
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: of our creation or of reality even but they're also
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: to sort of take place at different you could say, times,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: like from where we learn the word, where we learn
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: where the word means, and then when we learn what.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: It can do right right, And interestingly, when we look
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: at the Enoch text, it is a tie between the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: evolution of Western religious philosophy and it also ties into
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Eastern relig So we have a kind of a folkrum
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: here that kind of precipitates where we can see how
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: this thought inflects in both the East and the West.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: So this is something that a lot of my people
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: who I know who are practice Buddhism Dharma people, they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: often will it's like a thought that Eastern Orthodoxy is
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: very similar and has very non dual elements compared to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of the Abrahamic fates. And I'm not obviously
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: anti Abrahamic or anti Christian in particular in any way,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: but I do think it's interesting that Orthodoxy resolves the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: kind of what we would see as Buddhists as a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: paradox of dualism that exists within the Abrahamic Fates, which.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Kabala also resolves in it and of itself.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: Because when you're looking at like you as you know, Robbie,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: like Ramack and Lurius, uh, you could say that there's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: a nondual elements.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: There's like at least some thinking about it. Whether you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: know full meaning or not.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, you can make an argument, but I think there's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: a there's a seed there. And then also in Orthodoxy, yeah,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: they they have a very nondual approach to and it's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: not so strictly trinitarian.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: So some of the other stuff that that they go into.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: I thought one of the things that they that they
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: talked about was the idea that lightning was both water
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: and fire, that it was softer.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Than water and firmer than.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Rock, which is an interesting concept. But it said that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: the troops of angels right were made from fire, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: they speak as one angel.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, and they spoke.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: That's so here we get into this idea again of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: this sort of fallen angel that seeks to set up
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: system higher than the system itself. So it speaks of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: this one angel who wished to set up a throne
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: above God, above the clouds. This is very much the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: same story that we find in Jacob's Night Journey when
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: he has his uh his dream and that angel is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: thrown out but continues flying above the abyss of the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: bottomless pit. And then they talk about how man was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: essentially put together, sets up the sun and constellations, and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: then filled the guff, which is that well of souls,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: and then creates man on the sixth day. From again
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: here we have seven applications within the Enochian system. The
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: first one he made his flesh from the earth, his
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: blood from the dew, his eyes from the sun, his
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: bones from stone, his intelligence from the swiftness of the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: angels in the clouds, his veins from the hair and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: the grasses of the earth, and his soul from God's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: breath and the wind, which kind of gets into the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: Egyptian paffer as far as that believing that that energy
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: breathe life into the creation, that was the animating force essentially.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: You know. No, what you said was I think very profound.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you could actually go through each of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: the different formulations that you went through and do like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: coabola with it, like like attributed to each different cephara
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: and also paths around it, which is really interesting because
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: that's a little more complicated and a little harder to do. So,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: but I think what you said was the most interesting
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: to me was the last one where you said it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: was air and breath. So the female consort in Tantra
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: is the breath, like she is huh the huh sound
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: that is that's the that's the prime.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: That's like the explosives. Yeah, yeah, it's the thing that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: takes action on the world. Right.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: And and then the air the air is also like
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: it's very thirteen, like, that's that's the air.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: It's the three plus one at least an atontric.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Idea because it's the earth, the fire, and the water
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: that has to produce and synthesis air.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: So the fourth cause, right, But It's also interesting because
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the air is also the dragon, so there's something aramonic
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: about that, just like there's something aramonic about mankind. But
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: we get to choose, right, it's not fixed. It's not
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like we have to be like the destructive elements of Arimon.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: It just we get to choose. So I think that's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: really interesting too. It's like both of those things. Very seventeen.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I know Nick likes that number, but it's very it's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: very it's very the lady and the dragon, like that's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: very much what that even sounds like.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Oh Syrian, yeah, very yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: So then it said that basically Adam is put on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: earth as Lord of the Earth to rule and control it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: And then it talks about the devil and the evil
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: spirits of the lower places, and how the devil made
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: himself a fugitive and his name was Satan or the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Persian Chaetan, the adversary, and he became different from the angels,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: still knowing the righteous and sinful things, and he knows
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: his sin, and that at that point he was when
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: he sought to seduce Eve, but he would not touch
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: Adam because he was the first made by God. And
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: they say that it says that Adam was in Paradise
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: only five and a half years.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Right, and five and a half hours.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Right, So if a day is as a thousand years
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: to God, right, Adam being in Paradise for five and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: a half hours would be two hundred and ninety nine
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: point one sixty six six years, so before he was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: ejected from Paradise and put on the earth, right, and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: then interestingly, go.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Ahead, he had a good run. I mean, that's amount
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: of time you had.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: A good run?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, two hundred and ninety nine years, and then
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: whatever amount of time he lived on earth, you know
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: back then? Well, and you could you know almost are
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: you that that these early humans were a sort of nephelum,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: but but in a good way versus a perverse way,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: you know, because they're living a thousand years you know
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: at a time. But interestingly, yeah, there's this talk of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: the eighth day after creation, and and it's called the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: time of not Counting, and it's a thousand years of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: rest or timelessness, and it basically says that when creation
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: comes into being, they'll be the seven thousand years of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: the Enochian calendar, and then after that calendar is complete,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: there'll be a thousand years of rest where it will
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: be what did it say, the Time of not Counting?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: I thought that was an interesting concept.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: No, definitely interesting.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: I think what I find the most interesting is that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: HODE is the sphere of analytical thinking.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Like it's very like Tipper it is where the science happens.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: But HODE is where it's it's like sort of described
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: for the first time.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe, so yeah, there is.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: It's like the Time of not Counting because it's not
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: not looking deeper. It's very solo scriptura. You're just looking
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: at the words as they appear on the page. You're
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: not understanding them in any meaningful or deeper way. It's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: like very much like right now, it's like how people
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: look at their phones and they see, oh, this is happening,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: this is happening.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: But is it really happening? I know, it really is it?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: And and that's got me questioned lightly with all this
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: uap UFO blow up stuff going on, just how much
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: all of these social media specifically Twitter, are pumping this
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: this UFO.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Phenomena with such incredible force.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: It's you know, it's like every third to fifth post
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: on my feed now, So it's like what are you know?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: What is real? What is you know? It's it's all burning,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: it's all some Sara, you know.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting too, Like on Twitter, like
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: if you don't have a paid account, you are actually
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: limited to how much shit you'll see. Yeah, so now
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: if they pump your feed full of that stuff, it's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: already taking away other options if you stay on it.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, so it's kindable control what you're even
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: looking at. It's a very idea. Yeah, it's a huge puppe.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: I thought it was pride. I think it's worse for
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: propaganda now.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's worse. It's definitely worse now.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: The narrative managers have like they all blue checks, and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: then they all you see the same ones in any sphere,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: like if you're a leftist, if you're a rightist, like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: whatever it is, you'll see the same like twenty people
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: truther whatever, like the same twenty people, the same narrative,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: maybe different angles, but pushed really hard. And then they'll
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: be the people that go against the narrative. But they're
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: also kind of leading you back in. It's very circular
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: fire in a way.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: Well, and it's uh, it's a tuned algorithmic electronic mocking
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: bird system that they're running, you know. So now I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: know right back to Enoch. So basically, now God tells
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: Enoch to give these books to his children, right, and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: he tells Enoch that because of the wickedness and the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: piled lies that will destroy that God will destroy the earth.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: So getting into piled lives, that's what we were just
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, and God, God gives Enoch thirty days back with
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: his family to basically tell them of the eternity and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: all that was spoken of until judgment Day. And God
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: puts a terrible angel with Enoch who wasn't as frost
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: and froze his face. He says, oh, and I thought
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: this was an interesting little quote. He says, I saw
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: the keyholders and the guards of the gates of Hell
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: standing like great serpents, and their faces were glowing like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: extinguished lamps. And I saw their eyes of fire and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: their sharp teeth. And another quote here, and the Lord
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: created man with his hands in the likeness of his
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: own face. The Lord made him small and great. Whoever
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: reviles the ruler's face hates the Lord's face. And it
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: gets into this idea of anyone who spits on the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: face of man will be cut down. I don't know
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: a lot of later religious practices you see people spitting
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: on other people, and I just the whole idea of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: saliva and you know, but he gets into the two
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: thrones that he sits on winter in summer solstices. Oh,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: everyone from the time in the womb has a preset
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: amount of how much he will be tried in this world.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: So basically getting into the ideas of predestination, like everything
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: is fate or fata let's see, you know, And it
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: has a.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Lot of I just want to say, when you said that,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: I thought immediately of karma, like that's what karma is
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: like the but it's also like the fortune and life force.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: But then there's also like that thing where it seems
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: like a contradiction where it says like man is small
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: and great being that like in Tandre we would understand
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: that is yeah, you can change it. You have the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: you have the capacity if you if you want it
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: not everybody.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: So choose, right, So it's kind of anti gnostic. But
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: then there's something very not also about it. Yep.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: And yeah, he says like stretch out your hand to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: the poor. According to your strength. Do not hide your
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: silver in the earth. Bear every grievous and cruel yoke
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: that comes upon you for the Lord, and thus you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: will find your reward and judgment day.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: So there's all these moral kind.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Of the fifty second and fifty third part of the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: book people compared to the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: but take away the fact that there is no savior
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: provided no way to save your soul. Essentially, and Methuselah
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: when he comes back and Mathusalah, Enoch's son, offers him
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: food and Enoch he rebuts him, and he says that
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: since he received the ointment of God, that he had
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: had no food in him where he longs for any
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: And they they summon all the community together, and you know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: basically he tells him of the eternity, and it says
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: two thousand came together and after they heard of all
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: the blessings that they all basically came together to kiss
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: Enoch for his message and bless his sons. They they
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: set up a well. Then they take Enoch up to
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: the highest mountain and he disappears, and they don't understand.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: They all rejoice.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: They build an altar and his kids get all these gifts,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: and then it says Enoch was born on the sixth
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: day of the month of Sayvon, the first month of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: the year, he lived for three hundred and sixty five years,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: and is taken into heaven on the sixth day of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: the month of Siah saivon the same day, and he
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: was born, so basically living three hundred and sixty five years.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: You know, we are the solar man within the system,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: the yearly cycle of the three hundred and sixty five days,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: and then the fact that it was on the sixth
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: of Syvon when he was born and died. Within Hebrew philosophy,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: six is the number of man, So symbolically, all these
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: numbers are numbers of you know, the creation of man
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: in the physical plane.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Let me just add this, Robbie really quick.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: Is that you mentioned something about silver purified in a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: furnace of earth.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: That's Psalm twelve.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: So it's silver purified or silver tried in a furnace
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: of earth purified seven times. So that's obviously if you
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: do like a little jamatria, it's like it's really three twelve,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: but it's like we're in reference to the zodiac.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: But then so what does that mean.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: It's actually talking about Yasod, like how we talked about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: even before, I'm talking about the rectification of all of
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: the seven we call them luminaries into that one container,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: which is us. So it's like Adam Cadmon is us, right,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: So really interesting and like very This is why I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: always say, like the Ortho bros.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: They do know Kabala. Actually they just won't admit.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: It, right, that's yeah, yeah, so yeah. Basically he handed
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: over three hundred and sixty six books to his son
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: to his sons and let's see. So but that's essentially
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: where the short version of Enochian's right, and then there's
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: a longer version which was translated by Joseph P. Lumpkin, right,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: And this is where we get the story of the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: the story of the birth of milk. She's a deck,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: which is a fascinating subject within all my researches for myself.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: You know, another thing you said, Robbie that was really
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: interesting was the idea of the mountain and how this
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: seems to correspond to a lot. It's like it's like
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: deeply universal. I would say, like all cosmology, you have
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: the idea of the mythical mountain or the world island
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: or the world tree or like it's it's just the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: mountain of like where it reaches to heaven.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you also have the idea of like
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: the mountain god.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: So if you could steal all gods down to one thing,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: like I'm talking like Zeus kind of creator level gods,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: yahweh bail whatever cavel.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: She was the goddess of the mountains exactly exactly.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: You always, whether whether they're male or female, you always
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: have this association with the mountain. And what's the upward
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: because it's a generative. You need a generative or so
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: the upward parting front call. And then you also eat
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: the feminine force, which is the cave. So it's it's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: like so interesting. And then you could say, like I've
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: heard people say, Okay, Jehovah is like just an angry
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: storm god.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: But like all all all creator gods are angry storm
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: gods and your storm guds. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: Matter like what religious text you're reading, whether you read
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: the Vitas or anything, like Rudo is an angry storm god.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Well, in the mountains themselves, these gods were always worshiped
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: on these mountains and they would basically circumambulate the mountain,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: you know, to the top and oftentimes you would find
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: a cave at the top, you know, for the mysteries,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: and it's the idea of the peak of the mountain
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: being the closest to Heaven, you know. But that's Enoch.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: Basically he goes up to the top of that mountain
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: and that's where he is quote unquote translated into the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: heavens without having to die, you know, which we see
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: with Zoraster getting struck by the lightning on top of
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: the mountain. We just see this continual pattern of this
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: idea of ascension into the higher realm through the higher
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: divine spaces, you know. And that's why they were building
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: the tower, Babel, you know, it was essentially to get
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: up to that door back into the third Heaven or Eden.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: So we have this idea of like transcending the body,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure you're aware of it, Robbie.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, Buck Chain, Yeah, like rainbow body,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: clear light body. There's little but you know, they they're
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: pretty much all you could say.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: They're all similar. They're all like leaving form into true formlessness,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: like you're not even your spirit's not even contained in
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: the world. It's like nothing nothing, So that's really interesting
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: and I think very.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I think one other thing you.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Said was the cave at the top of the mountain,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: like this peak of where the lightning comes down. But
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: then you're also like the practitioner, so we would say
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: in Buddhism is like the great Guru, the Adamantine Guru,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: the Amantine Sun sometimes he's called so like there's something
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: christ like a little bit too, where he's like looking
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: out of the cave.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: At the lightning strike happening outside of him.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: So the cave is like it's described as like lapis
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: lazuli and turquoise with a diamond.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: The sand is like diamonds. But then you can also imagine.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Like it's very then the outside is like snow, so
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: it's like cloud like it's like it's like there's storm,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: but then there's something that's like very choke mod there's
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: there something unmanifests. Wisdom is like if you can understand
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: what is beyond the storm, you can really see like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: the illumination behind it, but you can only do it
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: from inside the cave because when you're outside the cave
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: you're disoriented by just the white kind of white noise
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: you could even say, of the storm.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, very interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: It is all just so highly intrigued. I mean, this
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: is the stuff that I love like digging into because
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: it just is, uh, the versatility that you see and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: just how it how it brings things to light in
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: your own mind, you know. So now, this this story
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: of the birth of melchiesadek right, It starts out with
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: this guy Canear or yeah, Canear, who is the brother
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: of Noah, and he has his wife soap nut or
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: soap numb, soap numb, and she was basically old and sterile,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: and she couldn't give birth. She was in her last days.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: There was a priest that was giving a liturgy over
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: her when she was dying, and she becomes pregnant, right,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: and it begins to show.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: And she's like ashamed, and she hid.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: It until she gave you until basically, you know, she
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: began to give birth and it gets into eighty two
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty two days, nine point four thirty day
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: months and near her her husband, Noah's brother, he becomes ashamed,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: knowing it wasn't his and he was trying to send
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: her away, and she's like begging. You know, you don't understand,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how, you know, my menopause
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: got reversed, and she's like crying, and he threatened. He's
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: like threatening her to like beat her, right, And as
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: he's like threatening to beat her, she just falls dead
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: on the spot right there, and he begins to wonder
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: if he killed her with his threats. Right, And at
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: this point, the archangel Gabriel shows up to Near and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: tells him that this is not his doing and that
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: this child is to be a righteous fruit. So Near
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: runs to Noah, his brother, and tells him everything that happened.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: And Noah and Near rush back to her body and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: find her dead and simultaneously giving birth. Right so quickly
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: they try to wrap her in these black garments, right,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: and they dig a hole, and they're coming back to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: get the body and put it in a hole because
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: they want to avoid scandal, you know, they don't want
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: everybody talking. And when they come back to get the body,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: Malchizadek is basically had birthed himself from the dead body
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: and is sitting next to his mother, and he's fully
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: formed like fully physically formed and already talking, and he's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: like praising the Lord right.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: And so they.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: They basically come back and they're terrified to see this
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: sight and they're it says, they have great fear. And
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: Noah says, this is from the Lord, my brother. He says,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: the badge of the priesthood is on his chest, and
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: it is glorious in appearance. So this badge of priesthood
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: is that eight pointed star of Melchizidek that is.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: And and is it a birthmark?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: But nonetheless, this child has this eight pointed star on
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: his chest and he's already like right out of the womb,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: praising the Lord. Right. So they dress this little baby
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: in priestly garments and they set him up on like
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: an altar, and they feed him bread and he's eating it.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, I've seen some Oriental images of
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: small children completely decked out in full garments. So it
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: did give me kind of a very Eastern kind of feel.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: It's interesting because I agree with you that there's a
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: I kindographical sort of parallel that you.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Can see in Latin American Christianity. Falsism. Specifically, there's like
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: a child, like Nino Davigno. And but also there's a
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: European version, there's Nino d'atosha, which is like Christ as
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: like a little boy wearing like the captains, like he's
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: wearing like a captain's uniform or uniform. And then yeah,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: we have so there is a very theosophical strain of
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Vietnamese Buddhism that really places a high emphasis on the matreya.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: So but it's a but if you.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: Understand the matrea in a tonic way, it's not really
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: a big deal. It's not like a messiah coming down
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: from the sky and like saving you. It is just
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: someone who will be born, who will be able to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: purify the words in his own way. But it's not
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: even necessarily like a great leader or anything. It just
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: it's just a it's a kind of a seed of consciousness.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: You could say that it could exist among different like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: many people, doesn't necessarily have to even be a singular person.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: But it's the idea of like the child is like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: kind of reborn. The seed is kind of like reborn
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: into us, into the physical world. Because that's we use
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: this idea of the three world system obviously, and so
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: the third emanation is really the physical corporeal world.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: So what any Buddha that comes into the corporeal world,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: they're still a human, They're not. It's not magic power time.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's there. It's just they're they're
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: they're people, right.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Something I wanted to just real quick. Yeah, something you
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: know with children or you know childs. You will see
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: that depicted a lot on tarot cards for the Sun,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: and when it comes to magical images for different there's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: a child that goes along with that too.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that maybe the child is the revivification,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: is the replanting of the seed, is the rebringing of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: this energetic light form from the higher dimensions into the
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: material plane per se.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think even the Sun card normally has
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: kids on it.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: I think right, well, sorry, sorry, Robbie.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: I just want to say that the child is interesting
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: because it can be without gender, Like a child doesn't
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: really have like a fixed gender. And I'm not saying
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: trans I'm saying that you don't always know like.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: What a child is.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: It can go either way unless the parents dropped it
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: in like full blue or full pink, Like you don't always.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Know because because of color, technically, as a child, if
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: you're dressing it in that's how you're going to actually
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: know what the.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Hell it is.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll assume because of how we can
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: put what's male and female colors.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: We were out shopping and I was with my wife
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: and something. There was this Indian couple that had their
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: their child dressed in blue, and my wife was like, oh,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: what a beautiful little boy, and they were like, no,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: it's a little girl. And they apparently in India they
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: dressed the girls and blue and the boys and pink.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: So yeah, and so you know, again back to cultural
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: aspects and how we think about you know, as far
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: as blue being the purity of the sky associated with
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: the virgin force.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: So, like we were saying, we've talked about this numerous times,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: there are both male and female like energetic forces within
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: all of these symbolic elements.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like Parasalsus even says like, don't way you
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: can really divide nature in terms of conceptual thinking is
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: to male and female. But it's also really only one thing.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like this, it's the eternal paradox of alchemy, right,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: is that you can't is that you have to understand
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: them in these binaries, but they're not really this really
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: non dual unmoss, you could say, right right, you.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Know you see blue too with the Sky Goddess real quickly.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Crawley, Well, I don't know about I think he kind
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: of associates new wheat with that color, but like it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: depicted a lot, the Sky god his new eat always
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: seems to have a blue color to her too.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Right, right, So now at this point, they take soap
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: them and they take her out of her black garments
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: and they wash and cleanse her body because she's basically
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: given birth to malchees a dick. This you know, this
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: entity coming directly from and you know she's born virgin.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: It's a virgin birth.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: She's inseminated from the divine kingdom, you know. He he comes
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: out already fully formed and semi grown and speaking. In
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: some ways, you could argue that again, there are Nephilum
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: type characteristics of this entity, you know from the beginning.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: But they take her and they actually dig a grave,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: and with melchi'es the depth, they barrier and Noah tells
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: near to take care of this child in secret until
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: the proper time comes because all of the people of
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: the earth will become treacherous as they begin to turn
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: from God being ignorant, and so that's the other thing.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: This is a pre diluvian text. So this is writing
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: about entities that people that existed before the flood, right,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: So essentially, you know, because of people becoming ignorant and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: turning away from the higher energetic forces, they're basically you know,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: God is going to bring his wrath down because of
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: the lawlessness and basically flood the earth right so near
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: he basically hears God. Oh, he he sees all the lawlessness,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: and he becomes very concerned and he's praying to God,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: and so God comes to him in his dream and
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: tells him that the archangel Gabriel will come down and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: take Melcheese Deck up and put him in the paradise
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: of Edom, which is essentially related to Eden, be in
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: the garden of Eden, so that he doesn't have to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: die with all the rest when the flood comes. And
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: he says that Melcheese the deck will be my priest,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: a priest to all the holy priests. And Gabriel takes
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Melchiese Deck on his wings to eat them, and then
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: it goes into the Noah flood story and basically talking
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: about a lot of the different stuff with Noah, you know,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: And that's pretty much the end of the second book
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: of Enoch being the Slavonic Secrets.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: I just want to add this one thing really quick, Robbie,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: but I think there's something really interesting between where your
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: work is going and like what I'm thinking about, like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: in my Gnostics series, is that you have the family
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: Noah being such a pivotal foundational maybe you could even
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: say like force, like narrative force in some of these
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: Gnostic texts as well, like the Epinoia of Nuria, which
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: is like an a on of the daughter text that
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: I've talked about on my other series and I think
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: it may and also hypothesis of the Arkons, like she
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: makes that appearance in there. Sometimes she is the daughter
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: of Eve and sometimes she is the daughter of Noah.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, there's something really interesting about that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: family in particular, and also interesting to note she burned
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: down the arc two times before m hm, and so
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: she is the third So she's kind of the third
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: the sort of the embodiment of the third cause, which
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: is the thought. So I just think that's also interesting
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: to the discussion because it feels almost like the text
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: is dialectical in that discursive and that it's that, yes,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: the word might be the cause. But what there's a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: question I think that arises in the theology is like
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: what precedes the cause? Like with that story of the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: man beating his wife, Like, did his not just his words,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: but did his negative thoughts thoughts?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: That's what he was assuming had happened, was that his
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: thoughts to her were so negative that he had killed her,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: you know where she stood? Yeah, And and when now,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: when we look further, you know, past this point of
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: the birth of Mills, past Enoch, you know, looking at
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Abraham when he comes into Salem or she Loom, which
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: is peace, the city of Peace. You know, that's when
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: Abraham gets the first communion from melchies A Dek gets
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: the blessing of the bloodline of Judaism from melchies A.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: Deck sets up the first covenant. It's the first time
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: that you have the tithing of ten percent, because Abraham
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: gave ten percent to Enoch.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: And then when Enoch or when not.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Not Enoch, Melcheesa Deck gives ten percent to Abraham gives ten.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Percent to melt cheese a dek.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: Right, too many characters here, so Abraham ties to melchees
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: a Deck ten percent, and then when when Abraham leaves,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: melchees a Deck gives him all his fortune to basically
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: establish you know, the new line. So there's you know,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: and then later down the road we see that Jesus
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: also is a high priest in the order of melchiesa Deck.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: And I looked into that a little bit, and it's
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: interesting because the where's it at? Oh so, uh, we'll
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: get into the Jesus thing in just second. But the
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: Jewish stages of the Mishnaak and the Talmudic times right
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: roughly from two fifty BC to six twenty five AD,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: so we're talking, you know, a good five hundred year period.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: In the Second Temple period, they basically nickname melchesa Deck
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: as Shem. So whenever you hear the word Shem in
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: Jewish literature, they're talking about machiesa deck, right. But the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: thing was Jesus under the Judaic line of the priesthood
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: coming out of Aaron. Jesus was not of the line
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: of Erin, so he could not be a priest of
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: the Judaic philosophy, right, And so basically he basically says,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: I'm a priest of Melchizadek, which predates the line of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: Erin and basically is the you know, the priest of priests.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: So basically Jesus is skipping over the whole Judaic system.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: And basically it said that, uh, what's it? So the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: U there's the idea that he was an a scene, right,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: And there's an Orthodox scholar, Hendrik Grant Grayat that says
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: that Jesus could be seen as in a scene because
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: he did not want to create a new religion, but
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: he was there to reform Judaism, which is why he
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: claims the order of Isadek and skips over the Genaic system.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: So I found that interesting in the whole scheme of things.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting. I think it's interesting because
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of religion and schisms within religion
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: boiled down to the idea of like who is the Messiah?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Like what does he represent? And then also like who
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: holds the covenant with God? I think people forget that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: it's not so much like what different God exists or
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: this or that, what cosmology or pantheon you use. It's
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: really about that God exists and that who holds the covenant?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's a lot more interesting than like fighting
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: about like this deity or this name or this thing.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, they call it.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: There's room for all of them, but like who who
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: who can you know, who can speak the words of creation?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: Who is the right and maintains the laws? And like
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: you're saying, keeps the covenant? And again and again through
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: Judaism we see them breaking the covenant and having to
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: re establish a new covenant, you know, and I think
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: it happens at least three times that I can recall,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: you know. But now back to Jesus. He was baptized
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: by an a scene being John the Baptist right, and
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Jesus himself was a Pharisee, you know, who basically talked about,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: you know, not only your heart but your behavior. And
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: then the Pharisees like Zoroastrianism, which Enoch very much comes
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: out of the Zoroastrian thought process. He preaches an end
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: day judgment as well. So there's carryover from Enoch into Judaism,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: into Christianity and all of these philosophies basically encapsulating this
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: idea of an end times coming.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting when you look at some of
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: the later Christian mystic writings, which Nick has covered also,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: is that you have them like talking about the apocalypse,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: but they know that the apocalypse also just means the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: destruction of your perceptual knowledge. How much you believe of
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: the world is truth so in because it's really easy
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: because we have two kinds of truth, relative and primordial,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: so it's easy for us to kind of make the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: distinction that most things are relative. And so yeah, when
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: you have like an apocalypse, it's really the destruction of
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: what you thought you knew of the world rather than
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: destruction of the world as it really is.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Is the revelation, Yes, exactly. The revelation and apocalypse go
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: are hand in hand, hand in hand, yes exactly. Yeah.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: And then one last point. Josephus when he talked about
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: the Acenes that were basically reformers of Judaism, right, he
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: compared them to the Pythagoreans, and he said there was
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: two branches of the Ascenes. One that was for pro
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: creation to continue the line of the Ascenes, and then
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: another that was against procreation and only wanted to adopt children,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: which reminds me of the Quakers and the Shakers, because
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: the Quakers they would reproduce, whereas the Shakers they specifically
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: believed in not reproducing and bringing more souls into you know,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: material form, and they believed in the adoptions. So it's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: interesting just this diametric belief of you know, bringing souls
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: into form and that whether or not that's a sin.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: You know, well, I find it very I know, we
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: talked about this a lot in Part one, very Mannequin.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I find like this, yea, this extreme.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: Dualism because obviously I'm I'm anti dualists, so I'm like, yeah,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: like have kids, like you know, like enjoy this life.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's what it's for. That's why it's sort
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  Speaker 4: of like that's the Buddhist thinking, right, It's like you're
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  Speaker 4: here to you're here to live out your karma, you're
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  Speaker 4: here to through it. Yeah, yeah, so you might as
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  Speaker 4: well just like accept it. Yeah, and then but then yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're you're totally right, Robbie, is that there is this
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  Speaker 4: idea that it can go like and it feels very
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  Speaker 4: how it is like with stuff that JJ talks about,
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  Speaker 4: like with the sort of like neo process stuff like
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  Speaker 4: where they're very dualistic, like they're very like they're both
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  Speaker 4: but they're both kind of world hating, but they're world
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  Speaker 4: hating in a different in two different ways. One is
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  Speaker 4: like very transgressive and the other one is very like,
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  Speaker 4: let's clarify ourselves, but in like the weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I think that I think
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  Speaker 1: I think what I would say is practical advice is like,
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  Speaker 1: don't fall into the trap of like going like so
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  Speaker 1: far onto either path just like yeah, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can like think through it and do whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 4: But I think there is something more affirming to just
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  Speaker 4: like not maybe hate the world.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so let me let me tell you a vision
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  Speaker 5: I had, And this was a number of years ago,
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  Speaker 5: but I was in the water and there was a
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  Speaker 5: Buddha type figure on a like a big lily pad
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  Speaker 5: with like a five stringed instrument, and I was like
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  Speaker 5: treading water and kind of just look gazing up at
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  Speaker 5: this this you know, personage, and he's tuning this instrument
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  Speaker 5: and on the middle string, the third string, he's pluck
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  Speaker 5: it and it's just getting tighter and tighter and tighter
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  Speaker 5: and tighter until the third string just breaks. And I
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  Speaker 5: just took that as a message of the middle path.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you know, walk the middle path until you
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  Speaker 5: know it breaks, because you know, to the let you've
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  Speaker 5: always got the forces to the left and to the
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  Speaker 5: right trying to intercede and take you, and you just
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  Speaker 5: want to maintain the vibration of that middle path no
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  Speaker 5: matter how tight it gets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think that it's a
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  Speaker 4: very easy, sort of not easy. I don't think the
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  Speaker 4: middle path is easy. I think it's actually the hardest, right,
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  Speaker 4: But I think it's the easiest conceptual way to describe
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  Speaker 4: it to people, And it's the least challenging in some
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  Speaker 4: ways because you don't have to be a radical acetic,
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  Speaker 4: like you don't have to go full right hand path
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  Speaker 4: where you don't have any enjoyments in the world, and
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to like super transgressive where you like
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  Speaker 4: everything is about like pleasure and like the and materialism,
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  Speaker 4: Like you don't go either extreme, like you really get both.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, I think it's the easiest way to
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  Speaker 4: explain to people how to be kind of normal.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and you're taking in all of it, Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 5: while maintaining your center. Yeah, so you get more experiential
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  Speaker 5: evidence or experience out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's the clear it's the clear
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  Speaker 1: path to God.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to think of it in a calalistic way,
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  Speaker 4: it's just that it's a really it's just challenging. It's
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  Speaker 4: like the it's the hardest things because it's so much
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  Speaker 4: conceptual layers, especially you sewed and Tipperith and even in death,
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  Speaker 4: it's all it's very conceptual, right, It's like very much
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  Speaker 4: about your own mind, whereas the other two paths are
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  Speaker 4: much more about like material formation or certain it's much
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  Speaker 4: more characteristic stick right, you can sort of categorize them easier.
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  Speaker 4: It's much harder to do that with the middle path
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  Speaker 4: to Suffra. So I totally agree with you, Robbie. It's
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  Speaker 4: how you you have to look at it in the
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  Speaker 4: right views what we would say in Buddhism, like it's
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  Speaker 4: all about the context.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about the view of how you see things.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't honestly can't wait for part three.
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  Speaker 4: I've honestly learned so much just doing this and seeing
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  Speaker 4: the connections between especially with this orthodox text, this time
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  Speaker 4: as part two. I think that it's it's interesting to
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  Speaker 4: sort of read it from a metaphysical angle, just because
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  Speaker 4: I can superficially sort of see how much Orthodoxy has
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  Speaker 4: mystical elements, Like it's very obvious to me. And I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: don't know that much about Eastern Orthodoxy at all, Like
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know the theology. I can just look at
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: icons and you can tell that there's something deeper.
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  Speaker 1: And much more mystical. Yeah, it's very mystical.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, that's uh, it's it's definitely you know,
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  Speaker 5: and just the fact that we get to see the
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  Speaker 5: birth of mel cheese a deck in this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because I've traced mel Cheese the deck, you know, through
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  Speaker 5: a very long process, you know, and it's uh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Part three is gonna be fun, too awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Robbie and Nick.
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  Speaker 4: Why don't you guys plug yourself one last time, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll make sure to include all the links in the
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  Speaker 4: show notes.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, thank you guys. It was awesome, really great.
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  Speaker 2: I'll go for us.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let the start guest to plug himself lest uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: from the occult rejects.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure most of your listeners already know
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  Speaker 2: who that is. You're on there.
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  Speaker 3: It's on all major podcasts and bitch you Brumble and YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: and thank you very much for letting me come on.
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  Speaker 3: And Robbie that was amazing as as always, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was a great story time with Robbie Marx.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fun topic.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, it was really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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