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A Sonic Tribute With FREDERIC LECLERCQ From SINSAENUM · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Well, hi, this is Fred. Since Sam has been going on,
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  Speaker 1: I think we released our first album in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: This is our third album that's about to come out
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  Speaker 1: the eighth of August, and I guess people call us
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  Speaker 1: death metal or black and death metal, so that's what
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  Speaker 1: we are. I guess, why is it, old friend?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you for having me my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: So as you say, since sane, but release your third
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  Speaker 2: album in Devastation on August the eighth, So how are
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  Speaker 2: you feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Great? We've been working on the album for quite a
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  Speaker 1: while now because the previous one, Repultion for You Humanity,
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  Speaker 1: came out in twenty eighteen and a lot happened in
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  Speaker 1: the meantime, so it's been a while. But we already
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  Speaker 1: released a single like a few weeks ago, and it's
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  Speaker 1: good to see that the reaction has been good and
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  Speaker 1: throughout all the years, like it seems like people didn't
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  Speaker 1: forget about us. I could see on the streaming platforms
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  Speaker 1: that people kept on, you know, listening to our music.
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  Speaker 1: So it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so can you tell us a bit more about
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  Speaker 2: the album from a musical point of view and what
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  Speaker 2: you were a chalent for with this one.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's always hard to talk about your own music,
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  Speaker 1: especially after spending so much time on it, going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. I think, I don't really I don't see
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  Speaker 1: clear yet. I have no idea. I think like the
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  Speaker 1: first album was a love letter to death metal, like
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  Speaker 1: paying tribute to the genre. The second album was anger
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  Speaker 1: really and incorporated more like you know. It had more
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  Speaker 1: elements of I mean, looking back, elements of like Pantera,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a bit more groove and whatnot. And for
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  Speaker 1: this one, I started writing a good portion of the
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  Speaker 1: music I started writing in twenty nineteen, and there was
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  Speaker 1: no There was no agenda in the sense that I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to write music without oh it has to
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  Speaker 1: be like this or like that, or if I want
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  Speaker 1: to have like clean vocals, let's go for it and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: There was no limitations still within the you know, knowing
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  Speaker 1: who was in the band. So that means like it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be like sort of like the bass
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  Speaker 1: would be like the recipe, the bass would be like
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  Speaker 1: death metal. But then add whatever I wanted to because
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  Speaker 1: because why not. And then a lot of like I said,
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  Speaker 1: a lot happened in the meantimes, which is why it
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  Speaker 1: took a lot and a lot of time to finish
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  Speaker 1: the album and buy a lot. I mean me joining
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  Speaker 1: Creator and then losing my father, and then losing our
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  Speaker 1: drummer joege Ordison and going on tour with Creator, which
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  Speaker 1: means like you know a lot of yeah, going away
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  Speaker 1: and coming back and whatnot, and so yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 1: it's been a long it's been a long road. Now.
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  Speaker 2: The Pressure says that the album explores new sonic territory
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  Speaker 2: for the band.
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  Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Yeah, I suppose so. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, we have clean vocals, it has like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of melodies I've been experienced, I mean experimenting that
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  Speaker 1: there's a citar, cillo, a little bit here and there.
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  Speaker 1: It's still it's still death metal. It's still very aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also catchy, straightforward that times sometimes a bit
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  Speaker 1: more intricate and proggy. I don't know, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: it feels like it's insanem. Well, I mean, since Santam's
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  Speaker 1: always been insanem but it's more than ever in a
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  Speaker 1: sense that, like I was saying before, there's no limitation,
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  Speaker 1: so therefore it's more personal and I think like we
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  Speaker 1: found our style possibly, I guess, I hope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You mentioned the citar in the Challow, which two
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  Speaker 2: instruments not normally associated with your brand of metal at all.
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  Speaker 2: So it was it hard to integrate them into the
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  Speaker 2: songs and make them sound like they belonged.
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  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't because that's see that that's not now
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  Speaker 1: how it worked. It wasn't like, fuck, we need to
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  Speaker 1: have chillo, so how could we make it work. It
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  Speaker 1: was more like a case of that part feels like
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  Speaker 1: it requires chillo, let's go for it. So it all
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  Speaker 1: came very naturally. None none of it has been forced
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  Speaker 1: or none of it the only thing that has been
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  Speaker 1: for In a way, it's like me coming back to
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  Speaker 1: writing music after losing my father and and then Joey.
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  Speaker 1: It's just left me very empty emotionally and and with
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  Speaker 1: no inspiration and you know, and then you have to
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  Speaker 1: get back on it because life carries on. So that
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  Speaker 1: that was the only time I was like sort of
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  Speaker 1: forcing myself, just like God, you know, we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: dedicate the album to them, and it was just like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's so that's the only thing it's not
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  Speaker 1: forcing because it's you know, it's always coming naturally. You
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  Speaker 1: can't really force it. But but no, but for the
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  Speaker 1: sunning elements, I've never tried like there was no you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a list of like things we need to include. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: just all right, okay, cillo done, Okay, And what's that?
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  Speaker 1: It was more like a case of it felt it
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  Speaker 1: all flew naturally in that sense.
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  Speaker 2: You imagine. It's a couple of times. Man, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to dwell on this line of question pretty much,
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  Speaker 2: but the album is deeply personal for yourself and for
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  Speaker 2: lots of Jerry and lots of your father. So was
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  Speaker 2: it was it any more difficult for you to write
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  Speaker 2: the lyrics?
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  Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, in the sense that I delegated. I've
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  Speaker 1: I've asked people, so you know, I played a band
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  Speaker 1: called loud Blast from France as well as the death
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  Speaker 1: metal and we've we've been working with the lyricist Natan
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  Speaker 1: and Ell, and I really enjoyed his work and his style.
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  Speaker 1: And when it came when the time came to write
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  Speaker 1: lyrics for Sincena, I felt like like I had like
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I felt pretty empty, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I thought why not work with him? Because he's he's
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  Speaker 1: very talented and and so I was giving him my
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  Speaker 1: bullet points or what I was trying to express. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And that's how it worked. And uh. And then once
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  Speaker 1: he would like start with like a basic scenario, so
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  Speaker 1: they say, then I could just like, you know, go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth with him and whatnot. But that's that's
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  Speaker 1: why we used the different people this time around, because
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  Speaker 1: also on the first two albums, I was writing the
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  Speaker 1: majority of lyrics, and I just, yeah, this is not
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's good sometimes to delegate and have someone
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  Speaker 1: that's good at it. So and the the the majority
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  Speaker 1: of the songs on the album are not dealing with
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  Speaker 1: with loss and grief and the death of people I love.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, there's only one song, uh, and that song
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  Speaker 1: is less Goodbye It have Baad, Have not baad That
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  Speaker 1: one deals with the subject and still without being very specific,
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  Speaker 1: because there's there wouldn't be any proper words, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to describe the the specific situation. It's more like a
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  Speaker 1: general sense of how you feel, you know, a song
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  Speaker 1: about like, yeah, grief and losing someone and the people
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  Speaker 1: that stay there, people that stay behind.
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  Speaker 2: How have you playing songs while that live bran like
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to get really emotional.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we haven't done that yet, so I will.
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  Speaker 1: I will let you know in a few in a
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  Speaker 1: few months when we do that, if we do that,
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  Speaker 1: But I think I think we'll play that song live.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, we've so we've done a video for it,
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  Speaker 1: and I can tell you as much that already doing
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  Speaker 1: the video was emotional, and it's just you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you do the video, you sort of like your mime
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  Speaker 1: and you try to look good. And even that was
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  Speaker 1: just like h And also doing all these interviews and
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  Speaker 1: talking about you know, my father and and Joey and
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  Speaker 1: also the album is also dedicated to Fred, who was
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  Speaker 1: our light technician. Uh, and you also it passed away
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  Speaker 1: a year ago. And yeah, when I started to do
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  Speaker 1: these interviews, of course I knew that we would be
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  Speaker 1: talking about it that because the album is dedicated to them.
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  Speaker 1: But man, that's heavy. You know. I've been mentioning Heavy
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  Speaker 1: Quit a few times, not because it's the name of
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  Speaker 1: the magazine, but really because it is. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it's because it is heavy and and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's sort of a therapy. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess if we play we end up playing that
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  Speaker 1: song live, which I think we will. It would be
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  Speaker 1: a therapeutic every night, and I guess that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: I hope nice.
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  Speaker 2: Now, don't fully You've released the title track, which is
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  Speaker 2: in Devastation as your single, So why should is that
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  Speaker 2: song introduced the world to this new body of music?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it was serving several purposes at once. First,
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  Speaker 1: it's the title of the album, so it's good, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. But h but I guess it's a
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  Speaker 1: good it's a good well picture of like sonic picture
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  Speaker 1: of what the band is because the song is like
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  Speaker 1: pretty straightforwards in your face it. I think it embodies
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  Speaker 1: what we sound like nowadays. So it's like, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it's I think it's catchy. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's straightforward and just like I think it's a great
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  Speaker 1: song that I actually actually do and yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: and like the format is correct, it has like different riffs,
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  Speaker 1: like it has a long solo and it's just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It felt to me, it felt like it
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  Speaker 1: was like the perfect first song to show what's insanem
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  Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty five, and hopefully people it seems like,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, like the reaction has been good so far,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess I guess it was right.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Insane in twenty twenty five, well, say, got
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  Speaker 2: yourself any drummer on this album by the name of
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  Speaker 2: Andre Joys, So introduces to him and tell him what
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  Speaker 2: he brings, dannem he.
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  Speaker 1: Brings nothing, Now I'm kidding. Uh no, no, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know that you I know that you know him, and
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  Speaker 1: I know he's gonna read or listen to this. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I just tried to yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: So Joys he has been he's been a friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine for a long time. But also he was the
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  Speaker 1: drum tech of Sinceanam, which means like he was with Joey.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he spent a lot of time with Joey
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  Speaker 1: and he's he's part of the family. So when after
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  Speaker 1: Joey passed away, and then when me and the band
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  Speaker 1: talked about you know, carrying on and dedicated the album
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  Speaker 1: and you know, so we need a new drummer, and
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  Speaker 1: he became clear that keeping someone that was already in
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  Speaker 1: the family it was the way to go, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it just you know, it feels it felt right,
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  Speaker 1: and and that's why Joyce was the natural choice. And
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  Speaker 1: he's an amazing drummer and and like I said, first
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  Speaker 1: and foremost part of the family. And he you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was you know with Joey all the time on
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  Speaker 1: the tour we did and spending a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: with him, you know, getting to know him. He was
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  Speaker 1: also Joey Joyce was also coming on stage when we
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  Speaker 1: were playing the song Final Results, he was doing percussions
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  Speaker 1: on stage. So uh so yeah, I mean so to us,
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  Speaker 1: it made perfect sense. And it was better than getting
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  Speaker 1: someone like from outside and like with another big name
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot. And you know, so yeah, we we we
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  Speaker 1: chose him and he accepted and this is great, fantastic now.
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  Speaker 2: But ever radio album also comes a relentless touring schedule. Mate,
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  Speaker 2: so what shows you got coming up?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not relentless. I mean, I'm very busy with
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  Speaker 1: with creator as I mentioned before. So uh, I only
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  Speaker 1: figured out that I would be free in October just
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  Speaker 1: like a few months ago because you know, like there's
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  Speaker 1: like it's a very busy schedule. So now when you
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  Speaker 1: book a tour, you need to know your availability, like well,
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  Speaker 1: you know in advance so now being away for seven
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  Speaker 1: years and then contactic promoters and saying, oh, we were
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: coming back. We have a new drummer you haven't heard of,
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  Speaker 1: and we have songs that you haven't heard of, and
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  Speaker 1: the album's coming out, but we can't tell you anything
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  Speaker 1: about it. How about we book a show. It's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not that easy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, too easy.
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  Speaker 1: But uh but no, so we've so we we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna start with a few shows in Europe in October. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think so far it looks like I could be
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  Speaker 1: free in January, which means that if that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: we would love to come and see you guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to do Asia, Australia and whatnot. That would be January.
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  Speaker 1: But that's right now. We're still like up in the
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  Speaker 1: air and with like question marks flying around and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: But we're working on it. And first, like the way
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  Speaker 1: I see things is like first we there's a single
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  Speaker 1: coming in two weeks, then there's another one, and then
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  Speaker 1: the album comes out, and you know, we will take
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  Speaker 1: it as it comes. So we say, now before we
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: let you go, let a new segment.
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  Speaker 2: I've started towards Fighter Bomb, which basically means I'm trold
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  Speaker 2: three social media. Before we had a chat and I
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  Speaker 2: found a couple of fighters someone now a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more about So there's found this one mate, like, tell
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  Speaker 2: us more about this mic stand. It looks bloody awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, well did you find that? Yeah, the I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where they are, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a cool picture though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well we created those before the before the tour in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Those were actually like circles, like based on
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  Speaker 1: the so you have the logo the symbol AE in
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  Speaker 1: the middle and the rest is like more like a
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  Speaker 1: chaos star. And that was pretty easy for us to
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  Speaker 1: travel with them around the world. So I actually don't
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  Speaker 1: have them with me, so I don't know where they are.
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  Speaker 1: I think Stefan has them, so I need to ask them,
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  Speaker 1: uh and a little more info. If very easy to break,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know if they all. Yeah, they seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be like in good shape on this picture. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they seem okay, but some of them broke during the tour.
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  Speaker 2: They look pretty sharp, you know, didn't cut yourself on.
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  Speaker 1: Them at all? No, no, no, no, no, not really. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's a little pointy, but it's not so bad,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, but they break now I see.
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  Speaker 2: The second one, October Cross was a present that our
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  Speaker 2: baby Metal sent you guys once black roses and fruits like.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, no, I would say the fruits were on
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  Speaker 1: the table. I think it's only the black roses because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's it's just like a bottle of something some cities
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  Speaker 1: that belongs to us and the fruits they were that
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  Speaker 1: was the rider. Yeah. No so uh, I've been friends
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  Speaker 1: with the Baby Metal for quite a while now, and
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  Speaker 1: this is like that's a custom in in that's a
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  Speaker 1: custom in in Japan to uh, you know, to send
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  Speaker 1: flowers to to a band. Well, I mean, at least
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  Speaker 1: to us, it's been the case like you know, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Welcome to Japan and getting flowers from like levels
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  Speaker 1: and bands that you know and whatnot. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Metal has done that to Sinceinnam and Dragon Force
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  Speaker 1: and uh and and it's it's great. It's a great
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a great gesture. I think they they've
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  Speaker 1: done it for creator as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean every time I come to Japan, I have
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  Speaker 1: a little present from Baby Metal, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's very sweet. Also when they came to friends, I
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  Speaker 1: always brought them like a little something like either like
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  Speaker 1: I think I did bring them like Sin Santum shirts
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  Speaker 1: a while ago, or just like food or something. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it's a it's a very nice gesture.
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  Speaker 1: And I really love when they did do things like this.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, that little sign congratulations in Santo baby Metal.
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  Speaker 1: I have it somewhere. I don't have it right now,
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  Speaker 1: but I found it again, like not so long ago.
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  Speaker 1: So I keep these things I have like bags and
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  Speaker 1: boxes of like little present like this that I keep
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  Speaker 1: with me.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time, friend. You know, absolutely
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  Speaker 2: pleasure speaking with you. The album in Devastation is out
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  Speaker 2: August the eighth. Then hopefully we see you in Australia
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  Speaker 2: soon rather than later.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me and held please.
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