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Ep. 83: Playing Your Role | Jags A.M. Podcast · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: To get our starters in the number of reps they
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Speaker 1: did for two days in a controlled environment really is
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Speaker 1: good work, you know, because in a game like tonight
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Speaker 1: they would only get maybe a quarter again or a
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Speaker 1: quarter and a half. And you know, sometimes you don't
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Speaker 1: get the scenarios of the situations you want, So doing
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Speaker 1: a joint practice like that, you can do that and
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Speaker 1: really get some good work.
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Speaker 2: Welcome into jag Zam. After two days of joint practice
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Speaker 2: with the Buccaneers, we got to see the Drags in
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Speaker 2: action against the Buccaneers in their second preseason game without
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Speaker 2: most of the starters playing. We got an extended look
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Speaker 2: at some of the backups and people fighting for a
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Speaker 2: roster spot. I'm Kennanni Stevens. Welcome into jag Zam. Brian
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Speaker 2: Sexton and John Oser are with me here today. Start
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Speaker 2: off with big Things number one, which is QB number two.
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Speaker 2: Things pretty much solidified after Mac Jones had a great play,
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Speaker 2: great play in the preseason game two. Brian, did you
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Speaker 2: see what you needed to see for Mac Jones to
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Speaker 2: kind of solidify things for you that he's QB.
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Speaker 3: Two without a doubt, And Kay, you know you and
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Speaker 3: I talked to him on Friday afternoon, and it was
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Speaker 3: clear that he was here to push the reset button
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Speaker 3: on a career that had gone south in New England
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Speaker 3: last year, but not his confidence. He knows what kind
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Speaker 3: of player he is. He's been a winner at every
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Speaker 3: level and he just had that mentality. So he got
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Speaker 3: out on the field and made plays. A couple of throws,
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Speaker 3: the one to Parker Washington for the touchdown on third
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Speaker 3: down and fourteen after taking a nine yard sack was
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Speaker 3: a thing of beauty.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he just he's got it and.
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Speaker 3: You know, enjoying Wiley's here because you look around the
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Speaker 3: National Football League. Would he be an upgrade in Las
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Speaker 3: Vegas over their quarterback situation? Absolutely? Would he be an
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Speaker 3: upgrade over the situation in Minnesota right now?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: It was a smart trade for the Jaguars to bring
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Speaker 3: in a quarterback with ability, with a pedigree.
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Speaker 4: Life he's got. He proved it on Saturday night. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I keep getting questions about should they trade Mac Jones
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Speaker 5: for this pick or that pick? At some point, when
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Speaker 5: you trade for guys, you trade for him for a
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Speaker 5: reason because you want them on the field, and you know,
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Speaker 5: I think that may mean not getting anything for Mac
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Speaker 5: when he leaves, but you traded a six round pick
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Speaker 5: for him with the idea that you wanted some security
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Speaker 5: this year. He was impressive. I think more than anything.
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Speaker 5: You can tell that he has confidence and why that's important.
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Speaker 5: There's going to be times where things go bad in
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Speaker 5: a game. Mac, not every quarterback, particularly not every backup
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Speaker 5: quarterback has the ability to sort of push through that
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Speaker 5: and still make plays. It appears that Mac Jones, if
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Speaker 5: he starts, you know, three or four games, at some
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Speaker 5: point during the season, you can see him overcoming the
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Speaker 5: adversity and having solid enough play to get you two
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Speaker 5: and two, three and one during those times.
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Speaker 3: When I mentioned the touchdown after the nine yard sack, right,
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Speaker 3: that's a great example bit. But later in the second
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Speaker 3: quarter he missed Alan or I keep home Allen Austin Trammel.
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Speaker 3: He threw behind him in the next play hit him
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Speaker 3: for twenty nine yards to set up the field goal,
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Speaker 3: the go ahead field goal at the end of the half.
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Speaker 4: That's what the guy does. And you're right you wouldn't.
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Speaker 3: Trade him because you brought him here to be your
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Speaker 3: number two in case your number one isn't done in
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Speaker 3: the field.
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Speaker 2: A great security blanket to have especially after we saw
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Speaker 2: what happened to Trevor getting a little banged up at
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Speaker 2: the end of last season.
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Speaker 5: Our big thing Number.
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Speaker 2: Two is O line. He certainly saw some good things
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Speaker 2: from the quarterback play, but the offensive line is still
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a concern. We saw two of
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Speaker 2: the starters originally in the game to start, but then
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Speaker 2: the backups had some trouble. C J. Bether got sacked
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Speaker 2: quite a bit. John, Is this a concern? I know
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Speaker 2: we talked about the O line a ton, but what
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Speaker 2: you saw in the game on Saturday.
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Speaker 5: Well, anytime your backup to the backups, which is what
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Speaker 5: someone was playing, struggles, is it concern you rather have
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Speaker 5: it not? But are you losing sleepover compared to many
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Speaker 5: other issues on the team. I don't think so. I
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Speaker 5: never worried too much in preseason about offensive line breakouts
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Speaker 5: meaning a couple of sacks, because once you're beyond your starters,
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Speaker 5: the offensive line is only as good as its weakest link.
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Speaker 5: So if you've got five offensive line when forbum can
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Speaker 5: play well, if the guy who's not gonna make the
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Speaker 5: team is the one guy not playing on the offensive line,
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Speaker 5: then there's really not that much to be concerned about
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Speaker 5: would they like to be a little deeper, would you
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Speaker 5: like to get better play? Maybe I'm just not gonna
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Speaker 5: lose sleep over the non starting backup offensive line.
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Speaker 3: You're gonna lose sleep if you have a lot of
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Speaker 3: injuries on the offensive line, and at this point you don't,
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Speaker 3: so no reason to get too wound up about it.
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Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time watching Javon Foster, the
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Speaker 3: fourth round draft choice, and last year's seventh round pick,
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Speaker 3: Cooper Hodges. Those are the two guys that I focused on,
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Speaker 3: and they had some up and down moments, which you
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Speaker 3: would expect, right Neither one has played more than two
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Speaker 3: games in the National Football League. But if you're looking
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Speaker 3: at those two guys in their progress, because you're not
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Speaker 3: gonna see perfection from them, you see guys with ability,
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Speaker 3: and you don't get too wound up about where you're
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Speaker 3: at in this term by saying, well, I might have
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Speaker 3: injuries in October, you will have injuries in October a piece.
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Speaker 4: Guys get better by that, sorry.
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Speaker 5: Ryan Keithing, or remember with the offensive line too, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: there are past blocking breakouts. They also ran for one hundred
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Speaker 5: and forty yards, so there were some decent things going
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Speaker 5: on in the last two games. While we've been focused
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Speaker 5: on what they've done wrong, there's been some encouraging things
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Speaker 5: about the offensive line that makes you think it's not,
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Speaker 5: you know, awful.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: A great day from Tank, John, which I'm sure you're
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Speaker 2: going to be excited to talk about a little bit later.
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Speaker 5: We love Tank.
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Speaker 4: We're on here.
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Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be defensive depth.
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Speaker 2: As I get close to that fifty three man roster
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Speaker 2: cut down next week, a lot of the spots that
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Speaker 2: are going to be opening, probably on the defensive side
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Speaker 2: of the football. Brian, we got an extended look at
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Speaker 2: some of those players fighting for spots. What did you
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Speaker 2: see on the defense? And anybody surprise you?
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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think it's already surprised is.
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Speaker 3: I think what I appreciated seeing was a lot of
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Speaker 3: the young guys that we've talked about, whether it's the
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Speaker 3: defensive backs right Monterey or Trey Prince or Christian.
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Speaker 4: Braswell, all flash. They all made a play.
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Speaker 3: Bedro Miller was all over the field, some good, so bad.
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Speaker 3: But you're looking at a guy you want to seek
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Speaker 3: any run and read and react to what's going on,
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Speaker 3: and then it was great to see both Mason Smith
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Speaker 3: and Jordan Jefferson make plays up front. It was the
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Speaker 3: first look we had at the other defensive tackle they
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Speaker 3: drafted from LSU. There are a lot of bodies, and
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Speaker 3: Ryan Nielsen likes to rotate guys in from the first
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Speaker 3: level all the way back to the secondary. He's got
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Speaker 3: guys he can work with.
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Speaker 4: John.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they could have a pretty deep linebacker bunch. I
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Speaker 5: was watching Chad Moon a little bit and he had
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Speaker 5: the huge hit either first or second series, I forget
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Speaker 5: which one it was. Chad's a guy they drafted third round.
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Speaker 5: Has been solid and available, and you thought when they
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Speaker 5: drafted and maybe he would be a guy eventually starts.
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Speaker 5: Between Chad and Ventrel Miller, you feel like, all of
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Speaker 5: a sudden, if they're not able, if either Devin Lloyd
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Speaker 5: or Foya Lucan aren't in, there's some depth there that
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Speaker 5: you don't feel like everything's out the window if the
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Speaker 5: backups have to play.
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Speaker 2: Could be some difficult roster decisions at the end of
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Speaker 2: the day next Tuesday, when they make those cuts.
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Speaker 5: Stay with us here on Jagzam.
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Speaker 2: We're going to go over all the highlights for you
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Speaker 2: from preseason game number two against the Box.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's always things we can clean up.
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Speaker 6: And I've been very fortunate to be be a starter
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Speaker 6: and not off to play, and then also in this
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Speaker 6: situation having to play, but I always want to be
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Speaker 6: on the field, and these guys always want to be
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Speaker 6: on the field, So I know it means a lot
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Speaker 6: to a lot of people, and we're going to show
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Speaker 6: passion and the energy and plug the young guys. And
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Speaker 6: the offense line did a good job overall, and the
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Speaker 6: starters did a good job on the sideline communicating. That's
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Speaker 6: another thing you look for in those situations, like Trevor
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Speaker 6: and everybody and Christian Gabe, So I thought it was
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Speaker 6: good for all of us to come together and and win.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to jag Zam Mac Jones making the most
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Speaker 2: of his first start in a Jaguars uniform, as he
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Speaker 2: got two touchdowns through for ten two hundred and ten yards.
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Speaker 3: In a wings well, would you try to get him
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Speaker 3: a series on Friday Night with the with the ones?
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe two series?
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Speaker 2: I think it depends what they do after the half,
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Speaker 2: because don't they usually do the starters the first.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, last year they even play him until the half.
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Speaker 5: That I don't think just KR theories.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he did a good job with the number
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Speaker 3: twos and the number three. I just would like to
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Speaker 3: see him with the Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think if Doug's normal approach, and he's only been
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Speaker 5: here two years so it's hard to tell exactly his
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Speaker 5: range of approaches in the last preseason game, if he
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Speaker 5: plans on playing them into the second half, then maybe
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Speaker 5: it feels like last year they only did three series early.
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Speaker 5: So I don't know that he would risk injury to
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Speaker 5: other guys trying to force him into that, but I
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Speaker 5: wouldn't mind seeing it. I'm just not sure what Doug's
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Speaker 5: watsfield be.
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Speaker 2: On that we might see a little carryover. We did
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Speaker 2: see Brian Thomas Junior play in the game on Saturday,
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Speaker 2: so maybe something like that. Some of the rookies, not
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Speaker 2: everybody on offense. But let's talk a little bit about
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Speaker 2: the game. Let's look at some of the highlights. First off,
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Speaker 2: Tank had a day. John, We know you love team Tank.
9:24
Speaker 2: Excuse me, we know you love Team Tank. But it
9:26
Speaker 2: was spacely se him being confident out there because, as
9:28
Speaker 2: we've talked about a little bit, I think kind of
9:30
Speaker 2: got in his own head a little bit towards the
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Speaker 2: back of last season, and now he's running confident, which
9:34
Speaker 2: is huge as a running back to kind of just
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Speaker 2: get a little bit momentum behind you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it felt like they really wanted this was the
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Speaker 5: opportunity to get him out there, get him carries, get
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Speaker 5: him feeling like the main guy. Early. He has played
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Speaker 5: through training camp like he did early in training camp
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Speaker 5: as a rookie. He tends to be running hard. He
10:02
Speaker 5: just looks like a big time NFL running back, which
10:05
Speaker 5: he looked like early in training camp last year. I
10:08
Speaker 5: think the key for Tank this year. It feels like
10:11
Speaker 5: will be the first time he hits a snag. Does
10:14
Speaker 5: he oh, oh my goodness, this is what happens to
10:16
Speaker 5: me in the NFL? Or does he push through it.
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Speaker 5: I think he'll push through it.
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Speaker 4: I've talked to him. I don't sense any snags coming.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he has a lot of confidence
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Speaker 3: in who he is and what he could do. And
10:25
Speaker 3: you know, last year I was banging the drum when
10:26
Speaker 3: they couldn't convert third and short.
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Speaker 4: Put him in. You're seeing right here.
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Speaker 3: He's got awareness, he's got power, he's got suddenness.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: Is he as explosive as traps etn No, not even close.
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Speaker 4: But that's not what you need him to be.
10:41
Speaker 3: You need him to be the pounder, the enforcer, the
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Speaker 3: guy that can go get the yards when it's third
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Speaker 3: and four or third and one. They even threw the
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Speaker 3: ball to him the other night, which, by the ways,
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Speaker 3: where his problem came in last year. It wasn't like
10:51
Speaker 3: he was fumbling all over the field. He just had
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Speaker 3: those two go off of his hands that went crazy.
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Speaker 3: I think he got unfairly tagged with a ball secure
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Speaker 3: the issues last year, and I don't think that should
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Speaker 3: affect his confidence.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he does affect his confidence, and.
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Speaker 3: I think they should just feed him the ball in situations,
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Speaker 3: find a package for him and let him go.
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Speaker 2: It's been good to see him kind of focusing on
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Speaker 2: that as well, not trying to bounce outside every time
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Speaker 2: like kind of just going getting whatever yardage is there
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Speaker 2: for him and keeping the ball moving, which has been
11:19
Speaker 2: huge for them.
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Speaker 3: I have told the story, but I shook his hand
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Speaker 3: the first time and I had to ask him to
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Speaker 3: let go. I mean, he's just got these powerful he's
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Speaker 3: got He's a power back.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: We saw Brian Thomas Junior for a little bit in
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Speaker 2: the beginning of that game on Saturday, and another first down,
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Speaker 2: first down machine, which we love to see from him.
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Speaker 2: And he's got the little celebration down too, So we
11:36
Speaker 2: love to see Brian Thomas coming into his own a
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Speaker 2: little bit. But I'm just so excited to see him
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Speaker 2: in the regular season.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. He feels to me like a guy who is
11:44
Speaker 5: going to matter early and then potentially what I always
11:49
Speaker 5: look for from rookies. You want to see him by
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Speaker 5: the end of the season, By the time we walk
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Speaker 5: out of here in hopefully February. Wow, that guy is
11:57
Speaker 5: going to be a big time NFL player. You don't
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Speaker 5: always see it in October, but then you'll feel these
12:03
Speaker 5: moments in November and December when you think, okay, teams
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Speaker 5: are having a hard time stopping this guy. He's figured
12:09
Speaker 5: out what defenses do and you're starting to see it.
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Speaker 5: And he can take everything he learned concentrated on in
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Speaker 5: the offseason and come back a year two and be
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Speaker 5: really strong. I'm telling you, I usually expect nothing from rookies.
12:21
Speaker 5: I'm starting to ask some expectations for him.
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Speaker 4: You can tell that they do too.
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Speaker 3: I mean there's no hesitation on Trevor's port or Mac
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Speaker 3: in that particular instance, for.
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Speaker 4: Them to throw the ball to him. They trust him,
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Speaker 4: they believe he can go and make the play.
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Speaker 3: If they believe in him and he believes in him,
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Speaker 3: hold account.
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Speaker 5: And he started to do stuff in practicing and games
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Speaker 5: that translate to regular season stuff. Sometimes you will see
12:48
Speaker 5: wide receivers lower in the depth chart have big numbers
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Speaker 5: in the preseason, you think, well, okay, great, that's not
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Speaker 5: going to translate the rate of season. He started to
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Speaker 5: do stuff that you can see will work against frontline cornerbacks.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, it looks like he's going to add a dimension.
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Speaker 5: And if this receiving corps is going to feel like
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Speaker 5: a four deep receiving corps and it just never quite
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Speaker 5: felt that way last.
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Speaker 4: Year, well if other people's opinions mean anything to you.
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Speaker 3: The Buccaneers, who were a good defense, were buzzing about
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Speaker 3: him last week and how difficult he was for them to.
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Speaker 2: Cover and playing off of him, respecting his speed, which
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Speaker 2: is great to hear as well. The mac Jones experience
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Speaker 2: at times can be what we've seen, at least in
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Speaker 2: New England, sacking himself but then coming back and making
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Speaker 2: a great touchdown throw. And sometimes that's just how it is.
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Speaker 5: As he would say.
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Speaker 2: He and potentionially did that to give himself a little
13:38
Speaker 2: more room to throw the football. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: that was actually the plan, but also Park of Washington,
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Speaker 2: which is just seeing him come into his own so
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Speaker 2: far in this preseason. He's told me he felt like
13:48
Speaker 2: he was injured a lot last year and didn't really
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Speaker 2: get to what he felt he could be, his ceiling,
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Speaker 2: and he's getting there now.
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Speaker 3: What he was I mean, he came in coming off
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Speaker 3: of an injury from Penn State and then got into
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Speaker 3: the ballgame in London against the Falcons and immediately tweaked
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Speaker 3: his knee and wasn't really healthy until they needed him
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Speaker 3: at the end of the year. So I think a
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Speaker 3: lot of mac Jones, not a big Alabama guy. I'm
14:09
Speaker 3: a BK guy, not a bulls guy, right, So I
14:11
Speaker 3: didn't follow his career there very much. But in getting
14:13
Speaker 3: to spend time and watch and talk to him, you
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Speaker 3: just realize he's a winner and he knows what it
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Speaker 3: takes to win. And I loved how he hung in
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Speaker 3: the pocket. That's one play where he overcame adversity John.
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Speaker 3: The other is, as I mentioned in the A block,
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Speaker 3: he missed Trammel on a short underneath rout and then
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Speaker 3: came back the very next play for twenty nine more
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Speaker 3: to set up the go ahead field goal at the half.
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Speaker 3: He's got a little gunslinger mentality to him. He's not scared,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's why Doug and Press and Mike
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Speaker 3: McCoy like him so much.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Two thoughts on these guys. I think the biggest
14:43
Speaker 5: name is Mac Jones. Is don't you feel like if
14:47
Speaker 5: Trevor happens to go down and not be available and
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Speaker 5: Mac Jones walks into the huddle, everybody on offense goes, oh, okay, good. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I mean not good, but okay, if we can do this,
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Speaker 5: not what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, So I think that
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Speaker 5: is as important as anything that mac does in the
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Speaker 5: fact that I think teammates are gonna believe in him.
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Speaker 5: How significant is it if Parker Washington develops and is
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Speaker 5: a guy they can count on. And I'm not here
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Speaker 5: to slam the last twenty drafts, but it's been a
15:18
Speaker 5: long time since a receiver has sort of developed organically
15:25
Speaker 5: from the Jaguars garden, if you will. You had Hearns
15:29
Speaker 5: and a Rob back in twenty fifteen. He wasn't either
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Speaker 5: a draftmack Well, but I mean guys that came in
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Speaker 5: that they brought into the organization that you didn't have
15:38
Speaker 5: to go out and spend mega millions to get. That
15:44
Speaker 5: would be such an addition to the depth and what
15:48
Speaker 5: they've built to all of a sudden, have the four
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Speaker 5: we're talking about, and Parker Washington as an addition to that,
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Speaker 5: and Devin Duvernet, who you feel like can add you
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Speaker 5: a little something. All of a sudden, they have a
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Speaker 5: receiving corps where if one guy goes down, you don't
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Speaker 5: feel like now you're playing with two and you know,
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Speaker 5: and a backup. You feel like you've got a starter
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Speaker 5: to put in there. That hasn't happened around here in
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Speaker 5: a long time. At that position before you go on.
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Speaker 3: Can we just cut something off at the pass with
16:18
Speaker 3: folks with mac Jones, enjoy him while he's here right, Oh,
16:22
Speaker 3: list public's yesterday I was stopped twice bye. People said
16:25
Speaker 3: can they keep him? Can they keep him? Can they
16:27
Speaker 3: keep him? No? No, you're not going to be able
16:29
Speaker 3: to keep him because he's a good player and he's
16:31
Speaker 3: going to have an opportunity and free agency to move on.
16:33
Speaker 3: And you can't pay two quarterbacks. What it would take
16:35
Speaker 3: to pay two quarterbacks. Just put that one out there
16:37
Speaker 3: right now.
16:38
Speaker 5: Well, and in fairness to him and giving in the
16:40
Speaker 5: building know is Doug Press. He doesn't want to be
16:44
Speaker 5: kept for more than a year, right, And this should
16:48
Speaker 5: be a story where at the end of the year,
16:51
Speaker 5: he's signing somewhere, staying front a podium and saying, what
16:56
Speaker 5: a great year in Jacksonville, what a dream I was home,
17:00
Speaker 5: and now it's signed for me to move on. That's
17:02
Speaker 5: what you hope for him, and that's what the team
17:04
Speaker 5: hopes for him.
17:05
Speaker 3: I think his phrase when we talked to him on
17:06
Speaker 3: Friday was he wanted to use the opportunity against the
17:08
Speaker 3: Buccaneers to show people what he's going to do.
17:11
Speaker 4: Next.
17:12
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's see some more from Mac. And he talked
17:15
Speaker 2: a lot off the top of this block about helping
17:17
Speaker 2: the players around him. Right. He likes to play in
17:18
Speaker 2: the preseason because he knows these guys are fighting for
17:20
Speaker 2: roster spots, that they want to showcase, get some film.
17:22
Speaker 5: He's doing that for Austin Trammel.
17:24
Speaker 2: He gave four big receptions seventy five yards for Trammel
17:28
Speaker 2: and one big third and long conversion. I was very
17:31
Speaker 2: impressed by, of course, as everyone's probably seen.
17:33
Speaker 5: M on the internet.
17:35
Speaker 2: I just I think the fact that, as Doug has
17:39
Speaker 2: talked about, there's no drop off on any of these
17:41
Speaker 2: with the quarterback play, and then to be able to
17:43
Speaker 2: see what other people are capable of it really gives
17:45
Speaker 2: you an idea of the depth of this team, because
17:47
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't really know what you have until later
17:49
Speaker 2: in the season. Yes, there, I am John. That's how
17:53
Speaker 2: you look when you see nice glass of bourbon.
17:54
Speaker 5: Or well, yeah. What you hope for Trammel is that
18:01
Speaker 5: nobody else notices this. You can get it to the
18:03
Speaker 5: practice and you can get him the practice squad guy,
18:06
Speaker 5: because again he's a guy. Last year when Christian was out,
18:12
Speaker 5: Parker wasn't quite ready to be one hundred percent, So
18:15
Speaker 5: when Christian was out, all of a sudden, you felt
18:17
Speaker 5: like they had only two guys that they could trust.
18:24
Speaker 5: For Trammel, these are big because you put up things
18:27
Speaker 5: like this and you've been in the league already three
18:29
Speaker 5: or four years. He's gonna have a job somewhere in
18:31
Speaker 5: the NFL. That's it's important to him. I love that guy.
18:37
Speaker 5: But it looks like now they're starting to have guys
18:42
Speaker 5: who they'll be able to get to the practice squad
18:44
Speaker 5: and have solid if needed.
18:48
Speaker 3: I look at it, and you covered him, but I
18:50
Speaker 3: look at him and I see West Welker, right. Wes
18:52
Speaker 3: Welker was a guy who was well. He was in
18:55
Speaker 3: San Diego and then Miami and in.
18:56
Speaker 4: Place four years.
18:58
Speaker 3: In those two places, he had like eighty six catches,
19:00
Speaker 3: and in his first year with Tom Brady, that's Tom Brady,
19:02
Speaker 3: he had ninety catches.
19:03
Speaker 4: He just looks like one.
19:04
Speaker 3: Of those guys who if you keep working to develop him,
19:08
Speaker 3: he's going to pay off for you in some way,
19:09
Speaker 3: shape or for him. So I hope they can get
19:11
Speaker 3: him through the practice squad because he had a really
19:12
Speaker 3: impressive camp.
19:13
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk a little bit about this in
19:15
Speaker 2: my hot tape, But trying to get this roster down,
19:17
Speaker 2: especially certain position groups, there's a lot that you want
19:19
Speaker 2: to keep, and I don't know how we're going to
19:20
Speaker 2: get the numbers to work out. We'll discuss that a
19:22
Speaker 2: little bit. Some good defense as well in the second half.
19:24
Speaker 2: Obviously you know second third stringers there. But we did
19:26
Speaker 2: see some flashes from some people. Brian, what were you
19:29
Speaker 2: must impressed by? I feel like the defensive line we
19:31
Speaker 2: saw some flashes as well, and then just different different.
19:34
Speaker 3: Players speed, right, I mean these guys were running to
19:37
Speaker 3: the football from any direction. And this is a fast
19:41
Speaker 3: team at Parker right there, right. I mean, he's the
19:44
Speaker 3: guy who comes in as an undrafted rookie free agent,
19:46
Speaker 3: and he ran all over the field. I thought he
19:48
Speaker 3: had a really nice night. This is a fast team, now, John.
19:52
Speaker 3: Part of that speed maybe because the defense is so simple, right.
19:55
Speaker 3: They have a few coverages, they have a few pressure packages,
19:58
Speaker 3: and they just want to execute them at the highest
20:01
Speaker 3: level possible. The other thing I say is we see Edmunds.
20:04
Speaker 3: They had some power. I mean we saw some big
20:06
Speaker 3: hits from him again and from Chad Mumma. This defense
20:09
Speaker 3: just from top to bottom has been an impressive unit.
20:11
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think in the second half with defense, you
20:13
Speaker 5: sort of look at the overall picture and again you
20:18
Speaker 5: see speed and you think to yourself, okay, there's sixteen
20:21
Speaker 5: practice squads, eight of them are on defense. If they
20:25
Speaker 5: have eight young, fast guys who are out playing the
20:29
Speaker 5: other teams young guys, then maybe you can have three
20:33
Speaker 5: or four guys on that practice squad that can come
20:35
Speaker 5: in and get you through if needed. Maybe one guy develops.
20:40
Speaker 5: It was encouraging because again you had guys late in
20:44
Speaker 5: the game getting some sacks, doing some stuff that makes
20:46
Speaker 5: you think, Okay, we're not in incredible trouble. If guys
20:52
Speaker 5: go down. I don't know that we saw guys who
20:55
Speaker 5: will be talking about in October, but that's a better
20:58
Speaker 5: sign than if you don't see it.
20:59
Speaker 3: You got to develop this wrong and the practice squad
21:01
Speaker 3: is not something we talk a lot about through the
21:03
Speaker 3: course of the season.
21:04
Speaker 4: But if you want to talk about developing.
21:06
Speaker 3: You've got to get those guys to a position where
21:08
Speaker 3: they can step into the bottom of your roster. When
21:10
Speaker 3: guys get hurt, you need to bring them along too.
21:12
Speaker 3: So guys like Trammel and Parker, Hey man, if you
21:15
Speaker 3: can get them into a position where they can contribute
21:17
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, you're really set up
21:18
Speaker 3: to protect your salary cap.
21:20
Speaker 5: Well, we're coming up on a time next week when
21:22
Speaker 5: there's cuts mentioned the practice squad. For years we talked
21:27
Speaker 5: about the fifty three. The reality in the NFL since
21:30
Speaker 5: COVID and since the practice squad has been expanded, that
21:33
Speaker 5: it's really closer to a sixty man sixty one man
21:38
Speaker 5: roster because these guys come off the practice squad so often,
21:40
Speaker 5: guys like Trammel, even CJ. Bethard, if they get him
21:44
Speaker 5: to the practice squad, If that's how it plays out,
21:45
Speaker 5: I don't know who's going to play out with CEG.
21:47
Speaker 5: Maybe they keep three. But you now have situations where
21:50
Speaker 5: these guys really come up two or three times a
21:54
Speaker 5: year and the team considers those guys very important pieces
21:59
Speaker 5: of what they might do week to week. Let's take
22:02
Speaker 5: a look at CJ.
22:02
Speaker 2: He was supposed to play the entire second half, but
22:04
Speaker 2: unfortunately he had to leave with a groin injury. We'll
22:07
Speaker 2: try to get an update from Doug on that a
22:08
Speaker 2: little bit later on in the day, but he was
22:11
Speaker 2: having quite a time running for his life at certain
22:13
Speaker 2: points there. And I know John you were saying this
22:16
Speaker 2: is late farther down in the depth chart of the
22:18
Speaker 2: offensive line, but it makes some questions as well because
22:20
Speaker 2: some of these guys have been around a couple of years.
22:22
Speaker 2: Is this maybe where you focus more on Javon Foster
22:24
Speaker 2: and Cooper Hodgs than some of the other guys you've
22:26
Speaker 2: kept around if it's getting down to that point.
22:28
Speaker 5: Well, again, it's so tough because on the offensive line,
22:31
Speaker 5: it's the one spot where one error completely can wipe
22:35
Speaker 5: out whatever eight other good things going on. So I
22:39
Speaker 5: did not break down exactly where all the pressure was
22:43
Speaker 5: coming from. Again, I've seen it so often where there's
22:47
Speaker 5: huge holes in the offensive line in the fourth quarter
22:51
Speaker 5: of the game, where nobody really plays that I just
22:54
Speaker 5: don't attach as much to it as I would if
22:56
Speaker 5: it was happening to guys who I thought were gonna
22:57
Speaker 5: be on the team.
22:58
Speaker 4: Can I just point out this.
22:59
Speaker 3: Is the point last year in a preseason game where
23:02
Speaker 3: Nathan Rourke would be running around and slinging the ball
23:05
Speaker 3: and making a play and having everybody say, we've got
23:07
Speaker 3: to keep that guy right. This is a This is
23:11
Speaker 3: what a nine year veteran, ten year veteran.
23:13
Speaker 4: You've got him out there.
23:14
Speaker 3: He doesn't get away from anybody, and he's playing behind
23:17
Speaker 3: a ligne with some guys who are going to be
23:19
Speaker 3: accountants or attorneys or back in school in weeks to come, right,
23:23
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the nature of late in the game,
23:26
Speaker 3: in the preseason, the fourth quarter and so poor.
23:30
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just well, that's what you see is
23:32
Speaker 4: you see those those those.
23:33
Speaker 3: Run around guys that can make dramatic plays, and that's
23:36
Speaker 3: where they shine in situations where everything breaks down.
23:39
Speaker 5: Also, before you completely right off, everybody who played, which
23:43
Speaker 5: I've been doing too, it's the most it's the group
23:49
Speaker 5: that most depends on cohesion and the third offensive line.
23:54
Speaker 5: There are situations where it's the first time they've ever
23:56
Speaker 5: been together in live action the other night, So I
24:01
Speaker 5: guess keep it in perspective.
24:02
Speaker 4: A little bit.
24:02
Speaker 5: Alright.
24:03
Speaker 2: One more highlight for you that Mac touchdown throw in
24:05
Speaker 2: the latter part of the game there as we talk
24:07
Speaker 2: a little bit about just what he brings in terms
24:09
Speaker 2: of he made some good specific throws earlier in the
24:13
Speaker 2: game as well, just into a you know, tight windows
24:16
Speaker 2: or whatever it was that shows you that first round capability.
24:19
Speaker 4: Yeah that this what doesn't need much analysis. I mean
24:22
Speaker 4: he he timed it.
24:23
Speaker 5: Beautiful drop of the bucket.
24:24
Speaker 4: Yep.
24:25
Speaker 5: Well, and I think what was I guess cool? Not
24:28
Speaker 5: the CJ got hurt. But you saw MATC come in.
24:32
Speaker 5: He's been on the sidelines. He thinks he's done. He's
24:35
Speaker 5: probably done a couple of Hey mom, dad, you know, uh,
24:38
Speaker 5: thanks for coming to the game. All of a sudden
24:40
Speaker 5: he's back in, and all of a sudden, once he
24:42
Speaker 5: got back in, the level went back up. So I
24:47
Speaker 5: think he saw that he's a guy who uh belongs
24:52
Speaker 5: on the football field in the NFL. No matter what
24:55
Speaker 5: the circumstance, he could have easily come in and thrown
24:59
Speaker 5: a couple of in complations. I played well, so I
25:01
Speaker 5: was focused on the first half. So again, a good
25:04
Speaker 5: night for mack. Well.
25:05
Speaker 4: He wants to be on the field, he said that
25:06
Speaker 4: after the.
25:06
Speaker 2: Game, and if he likes to play, if we do
25:08
Speaker 2: see him come into a game, hopefully not not gonna
25:11
Speaker 2: whatever would we have it would be a situation like
25:13
Speaker 2: that where maybe Trevor needs to take off a series
25:15
Speaker 2: or whatever. It is, so good stuff there. Coming back
25:17
Speaker 2: after the break, we'll go over our hot takes from
25:19
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25:44
Speaker 2: number two and a lot of good action from some
25:47
Speaker 2: of the guys fighting for roster spots. Brian, when you
25:49
Speaker 2: were looking at what your hot take was going to
25:51
Speaker 2: be today, what were you thinking about?
25:52
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I hadn't really think about it,
25:55
Speaker 3: but Trent Balky told us on Saturday night in the.
26:01
Speaker 4: Television broadcast that they.
26:03
Speaker 3: Had a different process this year for on boying rookies,
26:05
Speaker 3: for getting younger guys engaged earlier, and I think it's
26:09
Speaker 3: gonna pay off, and not just this year's younger guys,
26:11
Speaker 3: but last year's as well. There's a youth movement coming right.
26:14
Speaker 3: I mean, you watch Mason Smith and we saw just
26:17
Speaker 3: a few plays from Jordan Jefferson, but he made plays right,
26:20
Speaker 3: and you can see where those two guys are more
26:23
Speaker 3: valuable to your roster than guys like Roy Robertson Harris
26:26
Speaker 3: and Orlando Ledbetter who were contributors last year but don't
26:31
Speaker 3: have that youth, don't come with that lower salary cap number.
26:33
Speaker 3: Aren't the developmental prospects. I don't know how ninety eight
26:37
Speaker 3: and ninety four don't make the roster over You know
26:39
Speaker 3: guys in their early thirties who carry a higher salary
26:42
Speaker 3: cap number, who you're not counting on more than maybe
26:44
Speaker 3: year to year. As opposed to these two guys, you're
26:46
Speaker 3: looking three four years in the future. I think to
26:49
Speaker 3: some degree, you could say the same thing with Cooper Hodges.
26:51
Speaker 3: Now he's not ready to step in the starting lineup today,
26:55
Speaker 3: but if you watch him on the practice field last week,
26:56
Speaker 3: you can tell he's not far and he had a
26:59
Speaker 3: bad play that gave up a sack, but also it's
27:01
Speaker 3: a good plays. On Saturday night, you can see where
27:03
Speaker 3: Brandon Sheriff, who struggled all last year with the foot
27:06
Speaker 3: in the ankle, but played because he's a tough guy.
27:09
Speaker 3: I won't have to this year, and at some point
27:11
Speaker 3: it'll be time for Cooper Hodges to step in and
27:14
Speaker 3: to take that spot. There are young, talented players here
27:18
Speaker 3: who need to be on the field, and those are
27:19
Speaker 3: just a couple of them.
27:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, those storylines need to happen because if they don't,
27:25
Speaker 5: then they have to readdress positions down the road.
27:27
Speaker 4: So it's a natural progression of a roster.
27:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I couldn't agree more. My hot take is
27:35
Speaker 5: that I'm team Tank more than.
27:37
Speaker 4: A welcome to the club now I've been here a lot.
27:41
Speaker 5: Again, we joke about it, and I don't know Tank
27:45
Speaker 5: much better do much more than any other player on
27:48
Speaker 5: their oster. I know that he the season started off
27:55
Speaker 5: rough last year on the weird play, the one where
27:58
Speaker 5: he caught the ball and he fumbled, and it just
28:00
Speaker 5: seemed like never got back on track. The other thing
28:02
Speaker 5: with Tank last year was because he was always in
28:07
Speaker 5: short yardage almost always. His yards per carrier were like
28:13
Speaker 5: two point three or two point four needed well, and frankly,
28:18
Speaker 5: the offensive line last year at one point, I'm not
28:22
Speaker 5: sure it would matter to anybody back there would have
28:24
Speaker 5: had had trouble. So he was in a situation where
28:27
Speaker 5: his hard for him to succeed. I think it'll be
28:30
Speaker 5: tough for the team to commit to him the way
28:33
Speaker 5: that would maximize his potential because you're not gonna pull
28:38
Speaker 5: Travis etn off the field in big, big situations, or
28:42
Speaker 5: you're not gonna take away an offense where Travis is
28:46
Speaker 5: a main focus. But I think the concerted effort to
28:49
Speaker 5: keep Tank involved and to use him more, it's a
28:52
Speaker 5: storyline to watch and they need to figure out a
28:54
Speaker 5: way to do it. My hot take today is similar.
28:57
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about it already, but I
28:59
Speaker 2: think this is gonna be the toughest roster cut down
29:01
Speaker 2: that Doug Peterson's had, at least here in Jacksonville, because
29:04
Speaker 2: of what we've just discussed.
29:06
Speaker 5: There's some position groups.
29:07
Speaker 2: Where you may want to keep, you know, you almost
29:09
Speaker 2: tempted to keep seven wide receivers maybe, but then there's
29:12
Speaker 2: other groups where you really are going to have to
29:14
Speaker 2: commit to the youth, and I think that's a sometimes
29:18
Speaker 2: difficult decision for people to make. Specifically, obviously these are
29:21
Speaker 2: people you're dealing with, but then also like that's your
29:23
Speaker 2: future with the team as well, so you know, to
29:25
Speaker 2: make those commitments and cut people that have contributed in
29:28
Speaker 2: the past, but maybe you need to now focus on
29:30
Speaker 2: the younger players. Those are difficult decisions to make at
29:33
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and I think there's going
29:34
Speaker 2: to be more than a handful of them this time
29:36
Speaker 2: around with the Jaguars roster, specifically on the defensive side
29:38
Speaker 2: of the ball, and on both both lines, both sides
29:41
Speaker 2: of the line.
29:41
Speaker 3: You know, I think to some degree, two thirds of
29:45
Speaker 3: the teams in the league kind of say that they
29:46
Speaker 3: feel like they've got a good roster and they're going
29:48
Speaker 3: to lose some guys. It's worth noting that, you know,
29:51
Speaker 3: everybody has their ninety man roster right now, and they
29:55
Speaker 3: have worked through camp to keep a focus on their guys.
29:59
Speaker 3: So I think that this whole process of keeping some
30:02
Speaker 3: guys you want isn't quite as difficult as we think
30:04
Speaker 3: it is, because everybody would like to keep the guys.
30:06
Speaker 4: They've developed, you know what I mean.
30:08
Speaker 3: There might be a Trammel right that people need a receiver,
30:11
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's as difficult, not that there
30:13
Speaker 3: won't be difficult decisions on who's on the fifty three,
30:16
Speaker 3: but getting those guys through to the practice squad. I
30:17
Speaker 3: don't think it's quite as difficult these days as it
30:20
Speaker 3: once was.
30:20
Speaker 5: Well, and you'll probably lose a guy fifty three cut.
30:26
Speaker 5: You might lose one guy that some teams enamorate with me.
30:28
Speaker 5: Brian's points exactly right. Jalen Jackson, for instance, who I
30:32
Speaker 5: think he's played very very well. You know we've seen
30:37
Speaker 5: Jalen Jackson play really really well. My guess is there's
30:39
Speaker 5: twenty teams that have a rookie free agent running back
30:43
Speaker 5: who has flashed enough for the team's gonna say, you
30:45
Speaker 5: know what, we like him. He's been in our system,
30:48
Speaker 5: He's familiar. It's mainly what Brian's talking about. When these
30:51
Speaker 5: guys have been there since April fifteenth or since ride
30:54
Speaker 5: for the draft, and they're familiar with the system. If
30:58
Speaker 5: you have a third quarterback, well, if a team has
31:01
Speaker 5: a third quarterback and he's been in their system for
31:03
Speaker 5: four months, he's probably a better option for them than CJ.
31:07
Speaker 5: Bethard would be, who's been in this system for three months.
31:10
Speaker 5: So it takes a lot for a team to say
31:13
Speaker 5: I want that guy, and I want to put him
31:16
Speaker 5: on my active roster and juggle what I've already been
31:21
Speaker 5: planning for four months. We'll have to see.
31:24
Speaker 2: We still got about a week left until they make
31:26
Speaker 2: those final cuts, but that'll be done on Tuesday that
31:29
Speaker 2: deadlines at four pm, say with us here on dag Vam.
31:31
Speaker 2: We'll talk about what we got going on the rest
31:33
Speaker 2: of the week and the final preseason the game of
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Speaker 7: He really treats each day like a game day. So
31:56
Speaker 7: with that, we're trying to align the just before the
31:58
Speaker 7: pre snap win. The pre snap is what we talked
32:00
Speaker 7: about a lot, and then it's also attack and aggressive,
32:02
Speaker 7: and I think you're able to see that with our
32:04
Speaker 7: play how guys are attacking the ball, hit getting hard hits,
32:07
Speaker 7: and I think it just allows us to play fast too,
32:10
Speaker 7: and just being able to trust one another out there.
32:13
Speaker 2: Bad mom against some playing time in preseason game number two,
32:15
Speaker 2: he's trying to get in that linebacker mix they've got
32:18
Speaker 2: going on with Ryan Nielsen's rotation on defense. But the
32:22
Speaker 2: final days of training camp, you guys, I know camp
32:24
Speaker 2: officially broke, but we still got a couple more days
32:26
Speaker 2: of practice before the final preseason game on Friday.
32:29
Speaker 3: Muma's interesting guy if you get him, and he's moved
32:32
Speaker 3: to strong side and he's obviously playing in a new
32:34
Speaker 3: scheme with Ryan Nielsen, but he's a third round pick
32:37
Speaker 3: and if you get something from him this year, it
32:39
Speaker 3: reminds us that not everybody is ready to play even
32:42
Speaker 3: in year two. I mean, he's a guy who looks
32:44
Speaker 3: like he gets it now.
32:46
Speaker 4: Well.
32:46
Speaker 5: I think both he and Ventrel Meller are are are
32:48
Speaker 5: very important storylines. If you're gonna be a deep team,
32:53
Speaker 5: that depth has to come from somewhere, and they feel
32:57
Speaker 5: deep to me at linebacker. Where again, if they have
33:01
Speaker 5: an injury and you see forty eight or fifty one
33:04
Speaker 5: running out there, you're not in a panic that all
33:07
Speaker 5: of a sudden that's a weak spot in the defense.
33:08
Speaker 5: So that's it. Takes time when you take over in
33:13
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one with a depleted roster to get a
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Speaker 5: roster where you feel like there's a lot of depth
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Speaker 5: in a lot of places in Mac Jones, Ventro Miller,
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Speaker 5: Chad Mooma, Parker Washington, Tank, Bigsby Alsome. We're talking about
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Speaker 5: depth around here.
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Speaker 3: One more preseason game and then the preseason by yes,
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Speaker 3: which is gonna go away when they go to eighteen games.
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Speaker 2: You know it, so don't ruin. Don't rain on the
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Speaker 2: parade already, don't ran on the parade all right. We're
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Speaker 2: gonna have Jags on Wednesday and Thursdays we get ready
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Speaker 2: for that final preseason game on Friday. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: We'll see again soon.