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Sharri | 8 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 4: The IBA and alban Easy clash over accusations government spending
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Speaker 4: is driving up inflation. That full story in a moment
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Speaker 4: a form ahead of Israeli intelligence, will be on the
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Speaker 4: show live as Israel prepares for a devastating strike by
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Speaker 4: Iran and chaos at the University of Sydney as.
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Speaker 3: Students vote to support.
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Speaker 4: Terrorism against Israel, they laugh and yell when asked to
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Speaker 4: condemn the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 3: At this point, it seems.
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Speaker 4: Like university Vice Chancellor Mark Scott has no chance of
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Speaker 4: regaining control of this lost generation.
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Speaker 3: On his campus. But one brave young student did.
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Speaker 4: Stand up to the mob, and she will join me
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Speaker 4: on the show tonight. This whole story a Shari exclusive
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Speaker 4: and it's coming up later this hour, But first tonight,
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Speaker 4: the IBA governor has embarrassed Anthony Albanezi by contradicting his
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Speaker 4: comments that inflation was under control just hours.
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Speaker 3: After he said it.
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Speaker 4: There was a bizarre spectacle today where the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: tried to claim his policies were putting downward pressure on inflation,
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Speaker 4: when IBA economists have said the precise opposite. The Central
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Speaker 4: Bank specifically said this week that government spending was keeping
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Speaker 4: inflation high and stopping rates from falling. They couldn't have
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Speaker 4: been any clearer, saying it was a significant reason why
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Speaker 4: inflation wouldn't return to the target band of two to
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Speaker 4: three percent until twenty twenty six. Yet the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: today tried to pretend this was nonsense.
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Speaker 3: This wasn't even a case of the PM trying to
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Speaker 3: spin his way out of a problem. He was literally
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Speaker 3: in denial mode.
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Speaker 5: Have a look inflation. The RBA has taken a shot
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Speaker 5: that you're spending, which is why rates aren't coming down.
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Speaker 5: Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big
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Speaker 5: spending federal and state budgets.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect and well.
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Speaker 5: This is the quote here from the RBA. Public demand
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Speaker 5: is forecast to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting recent
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Speaker 5: public spending announcements by federal and state governments.
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Speaker 7: Are you saying they're wrong. Yeah, that's very different.
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Speaker 6: That's very different from the way that you characterized it, Peter.
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Speaker 6: Inflation has a range of aspects and that's why we've
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Speaker 6: made sure we agree that inflation needs to be further moderated.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, Pete Stefanovic did a better job
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Speaker 4: than any other journalist who interviewed the PM this morning
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Speaker 4: and he did the rounds.
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Speaker 3: But as you saw.
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Speaker 4: There, Albanezy denied government spending was pushing up inflation and
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Speaker 4: claimed it wasn't what the RBA had said. Let's just
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Speaker 4: have a look at that specific lie because it is
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Speaker 4: a lie.
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Speaker 3: Again.
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Speaker 5: Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big
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Speaker 5: spending federal and state budgets, Well, that's.
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Speaker 6: Not what they've said.
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Speaker 2: Plead it with respect.
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Speaker 4: In fact, it was exactly what the RBA had said,
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Speaker 4: both in written and verbal statements, but it got worse.
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Speaker 4: Economists and media outlets are concerned about the clash in
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Speaker 4: views between the RBA and Treasury that monetary and fiscal
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Speaker 4: policy may not be working in tandem. The finn Review
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Speaker 4: Today reported on a split between the RBA and the
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Speaker 4: Albaneze government over the economic outlook after Treasurer Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 4: on Wednesday disputed the Central Bank's assessment that the economy
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Speaker 4: was still operating at an unsustainable pace, and The Australian's
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Speaker 4: front page headline today is Treasurer's RBA brawl on the
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Speaker 4: growing divide between Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 3: And the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 4: We've been speaking about the RBA's criticism of government spending
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Speaker 4: over the past two nights, Yet the Prime Minister had
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Speaker 4: the hide to insist there was no divergence between the
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Speaker 4: RBA and his government.
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Speaker 6: But the other thing we've done that is so important
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Speaker 6: is we've made sure fiscal policy. Budget policy works arm
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Speaker 6: in arm with monetary Well, that's.
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Speaker 5: Not working at all because the RBA and Treasury are
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Speaker 5: brawling at the moment. That's not true, Peter, Well, you're
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Speaker 5: saying completely different.
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Speaker 6: Inflation. No, we're no, we're not. We're saying that inflation
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Speaker 6: needs to continue to moderate and we're saying that we
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Speaker 6: are working towards that. That's why we're producing two budget surfaces.
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Speaker 4: But just hours after the Prime Minister's denial, he's newly
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Speaker 4: installed RBA governor gave a lecture in Armadale today where
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Speaker 4: she reiterated that inflation was persistent as she may have
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Speaker 4: to raise rates yet again, they've already been forty in
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Speaker 4: rate rises as you know, in the past two years.
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Speaker 8: It also noted that the growth of demand looks like
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Speaker 8: it'll pick up over the rest of the year, although
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Speaker 8: I have to say here there's considerable uncertainty.
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Speaker 3: About the outlook. It's very uncertain.
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Speaker 8: The effect of this is that the board's expectations when
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Speaker 8: inflation will come back to the two to percent target
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Speaker 8: range has been pushed out, and we don't expect we'll
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Speaker 8: get there now until the end of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 8: so that's over a year away. And this is why
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Speaker 8: the Board explicitly considered whether another interest rate rise was
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Speaker 8: required to ensure that inflation continues to decline in a
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Speaker 8: reasonable time frame.
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Speaker 4: Pretty strong comments there. Then there's a conflict too between
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Speaker 4: alb and Easy and the RBA over whether the energy
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Speaker 4: subsidies are reducing inflation. Well, Albert Easy insisted today the
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Speaker 4: energy relief was lowering inflation.
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Speaker 6: Have a look, we're making sure that they're getting that
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Speaker 6: cost of living relief, but we're doing it in a
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Speaker 6: way so it's designed to put that downward pressure on
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Speaker 6: inflation at the same time.
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Speaker 4: Again, another point RBA doesn't agree with. They're senior economist
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Speaker 4: Sarah Hunter said just yesterday that the temporary energy rebates
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Speaker 4: would not ultimately reduce underlying inflation.
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Speaker 9: So what the border are considering and trying to achieve
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Speaker 9: is inflation sustainably back at the target in terms of
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Speaker 9: being a sustained return to target. That's not something that
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Speaker 9: we can see coming from those particular policies because they
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Speaker 9: are only legislated for one year, so that by their
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Speaker 9: sort of nature time limited and temporary.
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Speaker 4: And that sentiment was also reflected by the Reserve Bank's
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Speaker 4: own monetary policy statement, and i'll read it to you now.
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Speaker 4: They say headline inflation is expected to moderate temporarily in
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Speaker 4: the near term, owing primarily to one off measures, including
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Speaker 4: those providing cost of living to households. However, headline inflation
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Speaker 4: is then expected to increase as energy rebates and as
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Speaker 4: currently legislated, before moving in line with underlying inflation once
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Speaker 4: these temporary effects have passed, and you can see in
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Speaker 4: their figures that headline inflation does tick up back up
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Speaker 4: to three point seven percent when those measures end, the
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Speaker 4: subsidies end. Now our position leader Peter Dutton seized on
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Speaker 4: this conflict today when he gave his press conference in Darwin.
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Speaker 10: Anthony Albernezi had a train wreck interview this morning on
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Speaker 10: Sky News. It's clear to me that he doesn't understand
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Speaker 10: the basic economic principles, and you've now got a war
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Speaker 10: between the Albanesi government and the Reserve Bank governor. I
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Speaker 10: don't know who I would back in that war. It
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Speaker 10: would be the expert in the Reserve Bank governor.
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Speaker 4: Now, none of this is good for Australia, is economic Outlook.
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Speaker 4: You want the government and the RBA working hand in
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Speaker 4: hand to bring down inflation, not having this public clash
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Speaker 4: over direction. There's no point having the RBA take money
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Speaker 4: out of the economy only for federal and state governments
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Speaker 4: to inject money back into.
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Speaker 3: It just to win votes.
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Speaker 4: And the Prime Minister yet again today announced another policy
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Speaker 4: to give childcare workers and extra one hundred dollars each
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Speaker 4: more money in people's pockets. Inflation is keeping our interest
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Speaker 4: rates high and cost of living high, and the least
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Speaker 4: that state and federal governments can do is stop the
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Speaker 4: cash splash. All right, To discuss this further, let's bring
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Speaker 4: in tonight's paddle Perth mare Basil Zemplus and Sky News
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Speaker 4: host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both, Basil. What do you think
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Speaker 3: I mean?
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Speaker 4: Clearly there has been a difference in statements coming from
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Speaker 4: the government and the RBA this week as we've just outlined,
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Speaker 4: both in terms of where the government spending is contributing
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Speaker 4: to inflation and just how much those energy subsidies are
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Speaker 4: going to move the needle.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt about that. I mean, we've seen
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Speaker 2: it presented with classic definition for us tonight. They are
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Speaker 2: not on the same page. I've got to say also
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Speaker 2: as an aside, sometimes it's careful what you wish for,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. This new era of allowing the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: of Australia, the Governor and other board members to have
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Speaker 2: their say and speak more often, sometimes it's a little
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Speaker 2: bit counterproductive to what you might be hoping to achieve.
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Speaker 2: But I quote, the Reserve Bank of Australia have said
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Speaker 2: they're looking for softer growth in government spending before it
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Speaker 2: could cut interest rates. They're black and white statements there,
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Speaker 2: they are. So I'm not sure how the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: can dispute the fact that they are not on the
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Speaker 2: same page at the moment. They clearly are not.
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Speaker 4: And look, Chris Richardson through the figures with me yesterday.
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Speaker 4: I brought them to you last night. An extra ten
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Speaker 4: billion from the federal government, an extra twelve billion from
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Speaker 4: state governments, and then you add in the stage three
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Speaker 4: tax cuts, and he says that amounts to an extra
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Speaker 4: forty six billion dollars in the economy this financial year alone,
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Speaker 4: which is just under two percent of the national account.
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Speaker 11: Kales, Yeah, and it's a tricky line for a government
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Speaker 11: to walk, because of course they want to be seen
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Speaker 11: to be providing some level of relief for cost of
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Speaker 11: living and they will be slammed if they don't do that.
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Speaker 11: But on the other hand, every dollar that you give
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Speaker 11: to a person to spend adds to the problem of inflation,
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Speaker 11: which worsens the cost of living. So do you actually
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Speaker 11: end up in front in the first place? And the
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Speaker 11: statements of both the Prime Minister and the Treasurer are
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Speaker 11: utterly duplicitous if you read into what Charmers has said.
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Speaker 11: The Treasurer, Doctor Jim Charmers saying rebuking the RBA, essentially saying, well, look,
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Speaker 11: I mean, no one's got any spear cash in their
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Speaker 11: pocket right now. And sure most people don't have any
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Speaker 11: spare cash in their pocket right now, but that's because
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Speaker 11: they've had to spend the extra money that they've been given,
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Speaker 11: because the essentials have continued to go up. You look
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Speaker 11: at the inflation numbers that came out from the last quarter,
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Speaker 11: and discretionary spending has gone down. Inflation has reduced on
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Speaker 11: discretionary spending, but it is essentials like fuel and electricity
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Speaker 11: and food that have continued to go up. So you
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Speaker 11: don't have spare cash in your pocket because you've had
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Speaker 11: to meet those extra costs. And what causes all of
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Speaker 11: that to supply and demand, as the RBA says, and
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Speaker 11: why do we have supply and demand issues because we've
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Speaker 11: had record migration, not enough housing, not enough schools, not
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Speaker 11: enough places for people to go. Oh, these are all
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Speaker 11: things that are in the government's control. But they say no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 11: because we've given you cost of livering relief. There's nothing
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Speaker 11: to worry about here. They're trying to have their cake
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Speaker 11: and eat it too.
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Speaker 4: And of course low productivity is also an issue which
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Speaker 4: the IRBA has highlighted this week that also is in
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Speaker 4: the government's control of it, but nothing's.
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Speaker 3: Been done on it yet.
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Speaker 4: And I think it's worth pointing out when we have
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Speaker 4: this discussion that elsewhere the United States, for instance, they
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Speaker 4: are looking at lowering intrast rates comes September at least
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Speaker 4: by November, but it looks like probably September. So other
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Speaker 4: places around the world are moving now to cut rates,
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Speaker 4: although it is worth noting they are higher.
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Speaker 3: The US is interest rate is.
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Speaker 4: Five point five percent hours obviously four point three five percent.
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Speaker 3: But still they're going to move in that direction long
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Speaker 3: before we are. I mean, we're not going to be.
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Speaker 4: Looking at rate cuts at least in the next six months,
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Speaker 4: potentially longer. Now, let's have a look at this tone
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Speaker 4: deaf joke that has landed the Prime Minister in hot
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Speaker 4: water today. Look, he's done a social media post of
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Speaker 4: a mocked up album cover.
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Speaker 3: I assume this is him.
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Speaker 4: Joking about the fact that he's known as DJ Albow Basil.
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Speaker 3: He's been criticized for this post.
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Speaker 4: People have that it makes light of families who are
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Speaker 4: seriously struggling.
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Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 2: They're certainly trying to take a little praise prematurely. And
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Speaker 2: one thing we all know, everybody hates people. Patting themselves
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Speaker 2: on the back in our community is never welcome. But
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Speaker 2: we even hate it more when politicians pat themselves on
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Speaker 2: the back. Get the job done, let others sing your praises.
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Speaker 2: Demonstrate a track record of proven success in this area
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Speaker 2: and the fanfare will take care of itself. I don't
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Speaker 2: mind the attempts at humor or a little bit of lightheartedness,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think this one works, not so much,
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Speaker 2: poor taste. It just missed the mark. It's not what's
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Speaker 2: required at the moment, and it shows that they're misfiring
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Speaker 2: in this area completely.
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Speaker 4: Also a CD cover, I mean, no one play CD
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Speaker 4: is anymore. I know what Phil have on my Citi is,
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Speaker 4: I just can't play.
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Speaker 11: I'm exactly the same I was going to say. I mean,
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Speaker 11: it's really emblematic of what all of this means. The
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Speaker 11: fact that he's used a CD covered. I mean, so
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Speaker 11: fresh was sort of the sounds of my childhood.
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Speaker 3: But well, hang on, Shary, hang around when they're wor hang.
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Speaker 7: On, Sharry. That's a low blow.
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Speaker 3: That is a low blow.
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Speaker 11: I mean, you're younger than me, You're only twenty one,
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Speaker 11: so come on. But it is so emblematic of what
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Speaker 11: all of this actually means. Because he's using a CD cover,
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Speaker 11: which is a CD You've been just about as useful
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Speaker 11: as all of the measures that he's talking about on
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Speaker 11: the front of that CD cover.
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Speaker 2: Good analogy well, and even worse than that. Actually, cayleb
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Speaker 2: makes a fair point.
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Speaker 3: The last time we were all.
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Speaker 2: Listening to CDs was around about the time when interest
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Speaker 2: rates were at eighteen or nineteen percent. So they're taking
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Speaker 2: us to a place where we don't want to actually
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Speaker 2: be reminded.
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Speaker 3: Of good point. Good point.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 4: Peter Dardan also criticized the PM today after another four
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Speaker 4: fishing boats were intercepted off Way's coast on Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: Have look, well, it's the.
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Speaker 10: Case because Anthony ALBANUSI money out of aerial surveillance and
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Speaker 10: maritime surveillance, and if you take those resources away, the
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Speaker 10: people smugglers and those who are involved in illegal fishing
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Speaker 10: and other activities including running of drugs, et cetera, they
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Speaker 10: just run.
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Speaker 4: Right, Basil, what do you think do you think this
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Speaker 4: criticism is fair, that this is a result of Labour's reduction,
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Speaker 4: as Peter Duttan says, in maritime and aerial surveillance, Well.
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Speaker 2: You can only go on what we have before us
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Speaker 2: to consider, and we know absolutely that there have been
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Speaker 2: more boats appearing, there have been more boats getting into
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Speaker 2: Australian waters. There's been more reports of exactly this sort
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Speaker 2: of thing, illegal fishing boats and others making their way
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Speaker 2: into Australian waters, and rightly or wrongly, there is clearly
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Speaker 2: a perception issue that exists around the labor government that
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Speaker 2: they are softer on these things, and it appears to
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Speaker 2: people smugglers and others are prepared to take a chance
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Speaker 2: because of the reputation and the exactly that softening that
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Speaker 2: we've seen, and they can't get away from that. It's fact,
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Speaker 2: that is what happens when we have had labor governments
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Speaker 2: in recent times.
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Speaker 1: And here it is again.
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Speaker 4: Interesting piece in the fin Review today it looked at
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Speaker 4: the booming growth of TikTok in Australia, so the social
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Speaker 4: media app that none of us who would be watching
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Speaker 4: me tonight, none of us are actually on this app,
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Speaker 4: but it's in.
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Speaker 3: The news all the time, but it's booming.
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Speaker 4: And the Australia compared to in the US, where Congress
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Speaker 4: is considering banning the Chinese owned platform.
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Speaker 3: The fin Review.
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Speaker 4: Reports that TikTok reported a net profit after tax of
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Speaker 4: eleven point four million last year. And it certainly they
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Speaker 4: say that it is going to be advertising another one
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty six jobs.
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Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty six jobs, I mean.
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Speaker 4: Caleb, we could only I mean, it would be unheard
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Speaker 4: of for any media organizations here to be.
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Speaker 3: Hiring another one hundred and twenty six people.
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Speaker 4: TikTok thrives on miss information, disinformation, you know, mindless content,
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Speaker 4: and they're booming well.
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Speaker 11: I mean, the best we could hope for is one
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Speaker 11: hundred and twenty six trained monkeys. It's at about a
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Speaker 11: dollar an hour. But the problem with all of this,
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Speaker 11: of course, and you look at the US where they
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Speaker 11: have threatened TikTok basically that they have to divest their
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Speaker 11: Chinese parent company, Bike Dance has to divest if they
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Speaker 11: want to keep operating in the US, And we should
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Speaker 11: be doing exactly the same thing here because we know
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Speaker 11: that it's essentially Chinese spy where it rots the brains
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Speaker 11: of Western children. And I'm convinced that it is designed
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Speaker 11: to do exactly that, because if you look at the
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Speaker 11: version that's offered to children in China, you know it
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Speaker 11: shows them science experiments, mamatics equations. It's time limited to
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Speaker 11: forty minutes a day, so you can't just keep scrolling.
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Speaker 11: Of course, you can get a Western kid, Australian, US
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Speaker 11: UK kid to go on TikTok and they're just looking
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Speaker 11: at nonsense.
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Speaker 3: And it goes on and on and on and on
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Speaker 3: and on all day scrolling.
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Speaker 4: I was even reading an interview that one of the
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Speaker 4: gold medal Gold Medal Olympia Gabe, and they said what.
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Speaker 3: Do you do to relax?
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Speaker 4: And she says, I lie in my bed and scroll
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Speaker 4: through TikTok and the hours.
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Speaker 11: And this is the thing, because once you get going,
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Speaker 11: it's so hard to stop. And China knows that right,
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Speaker 11: And you'd be stupid to think that China, being the
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Speaker 11: expansionist regime that it is, the CCP, would not be
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Speaker 11: using a product such as TikTok to try and destroy
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Speaker 11: the brains of Western people. It's exactly how they operate,
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Speaker 11: and we let them do it. We've got politicians using
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Speaker 11: it because of course they want to be where the
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Speaker 11: kids are, but they've got to take a look at
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Speaker 11: this is bad for our country. It has to go.
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Speaker 4: And they deliberately have extreme content and content that's going
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Speaker 4: to see division in Western democracies.
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Speaker 3: Balzo, I actually want to ask you about something else.
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Speaker 3: Peter Darton has just been in wa for five days.
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Speaker 3: WA is lost well.
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Speaker 4: The Liberal Party lost many seats to Labor the last election.
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Speaker 3: How do you think he's.
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Speaker 4: Going in terms of trying to claw back those seats
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Speaker 4: ahead of the next election, which we assume will be
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Speaker 4: in the first quarter of next year.
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Speaker 2: I would say that with each visit to Western Australia
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Speaker 2: he is more he endears himself more to the West
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Speaker 2: Australian public. I think we've made this point previously. Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton is not trying to win a popularity contest. He
19:20
Speaker 2: is trying to win an election and he's always going
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Speaker 2: to do it in the Peter Dutton way. That is
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Speaker 2: going to be with policy direction, clarity and a forceful
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Speaker 2: personality that he will deliver what he says he is
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Speaker 2: going to deliver. So I think on each visit, on
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Speaker 2: each occasion that he comes here, he further enhances that
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Speaker 2: reputation and further endears himself to the West Australian public.
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Speaker 2: It is clear WA is going to be critical. The
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Speaker 2: job is not done yet. He's going to need to
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Speaker 2: come back a few more times yet, but he is
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Speaker 2: working hard and I think with each visit that window opens.
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Speaker 2: I can say this and I don't say it with
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Speaker 2: the blue hat that I wear in the state scene now,
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Speaker 2: although I understand people might suggest that I do, but
20:06
Speaker 2: there is no doubt that the federal Labor government at
20:10
Speaker 2: the moment is right off the popularity that saw them
20:13
Speaker 2: elected at the last federal election. So the door is
20:17
Speaker 2: open for Dutton to be able to go through the
20:20
Speaker 2: challenges he's now to be able to do that, but
20:22
Speaker 2: he's making in roads definitely.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting.
20:25
Speaker 4: All right, Basil Zempler's great to see you, and Caleb
20:27
Speaker 4: we'll see you back here at ten o'clock tonight.
20:29
Speaker 11: Cheers.
20:31
Speaker 4: Now, another big story in the news this week is
20:34
Speaker 4: nuclear energy. As you know, Peter Dutton has put nuclear
20:37
Speaker 4: squarely on the.
20:38
Speaker 3: Table ahead of the next election.
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Speaker 4: And while more and more Australians are open to adding
20:43
Speaker 4: nuclear to the energy mix, state governments are not. And
20:47
Speaker 4: we've just been speaking about Wa well WA's mining minister
20:51
Speaker 4: is refusing to change their policy on uranium despite the
20:55
Speaker 4: cause from the Coalition to lift the prohibition on nuclear.
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Speaker 4: WA Minds Minister David Michael says the state's future energy needs.
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Speaker 3: Will be met by renewables.
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Speaker 4: No problem here to discusses National's leader David Little Proud, David, good.
21:11
Speaker 3: To see you again.
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Speaker 4: Look where does this leave the coalition's signature energy policy.
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Speaker 4: If the states like WA won't lift their bands on
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Speaker 4: uranium well.
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Speaker 12: As a last resort we would have to use federal powers,
21:27
Speaker 12: but we don't want to do that.
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Speaker 1: We're going to the Australian people.
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton and I will go to the Australian people
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Speaker 12: with a clear plan not to put all our energy
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Speaker 12: eggs in one basket, to have concentration risk that won't
21:37
Speaker 12: underpin our economy. There's no industrial scale country of our
21:40
Speaker 12: size in the world that's going in all renewables approach.
21:43
Speaker 12: So we will transition some of our coal to nuclear
21:46
Speaker 12: with gas as well as some renewables. But what we
21:50
Speaker 12: want is leadership. We're going to be upfront and on
21:52
Speaker 12: us with the Australian people. If we get that manddate,
21:54
Speaker 12: they expect the Australian people expect that their politicians actually
21:58
Speaker 12: respect that mandate and show the leadership that we're showing
22:01
Speaker 12: and get out of our own and work constructively and
22:04
Speaker 12: make sure that we facilitate this transition in an orderly way.
22:08
Speaker 12: And that's what Peter Dutton I'll be asking the Australian
22:10
Speaker 12: people to determine. If we get that mandate, we expect
22:13
Speaker 12: the States are matter that political persuasion to work with
22:16
Speaker 12: us and to get on with the job that we
22:19
Speaker 12: will have been elected.
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Speaker 8: To do so.
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Speaker 4: If you did win the next election, the States still
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Speaker 4: refused to lift the prohibitions on nuclear you're saying you
22:28
Speaker 4: would use federal powers to what forced them to overturn
22:33
Speaker 4: the bands.
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Speaker 3: How would that work in reality?
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Speaker 12: Well, obviously the first instance will be to work with
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Speaker 12: those states and we'll be talking about starting two the
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Speaker 12: nuclear power plants immediately, going to seven over the period
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Speaker 12: up until twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: We made that very clear. We want to work constructively,
22:52
Speaker 1: but we will utilize every federal power we have.
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Speaker 12: If there is roadblocks put in front of us, No
22:58
Speaker 12: one should underestimate and Peter Dutton's determination to make sure
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Speaker 12: that Australia is not left behind and we remove ourselves
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Speaker 12: from this reckless race of an all renewables approach that will.
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Speaker 3: Destroy this contract.
23:11
Speaker 1: We are going to be upfront and honest to this
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Speaker 1: story of people.
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Speaker 3: How would that work?
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Speaker 13: Well?
23:14
Speaker 1: Obviously do you.
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Speaker 12: Have well, and those are things that obviously we're working
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Speaker 12: through in making sure that if we have to utilize
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Speaker 12: those those federal powers, and there are there are a
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Speaker 12: number of them that we would utilize if necessary. But
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Speaker 12: I don't think the Australian people want us to have
23:35
Speaker 12: a fight with the States after they've clearly given a
23:39
Speaker 12: direction not just to us, but to every to every
23:42
Speaker 12: state and territory in this country to get on with
23:46
Speaker 12: the job. That's what elections about, that's what this beautiful
23:49
Speaker 12: thing called democracy is about.
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Speaker 1: And we don't want to pick a fight. But what
23:53
Speaker 1: we're saying is you are people.
23:55
Speaker 4: Gives working through that process of if the States refuse,
23:59
Speaker 4: and you know you could easily foresee a situation where
24:03
Speaker 4: at least one, if not two or three of the
24:04
Speaker 4: state governments refuse to lift the ban, so you are
24:07
Speaker 4: currently working through what options you have to force them
24:11
Speaker 4: to do that.
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Speaker 12: As a last resort. No one should underestimate our determination
24:16
Speaker 12: to achieve this. But I think what the Australian people
24:19
Speaker 12: want is leadership. They want strong leadership, and aton little
24:22
Speaker 12: proud government will give that strong leadership. We're going to
24:25
Speaker 12: look Australians in the eye now, we're going to tell
24:27
Speaker 12: them what we're going to do, how are we going
24:28
Speaker 12: to do it, and we expect the country to unite
24:30
Speaker 12: behind that and get on with the job to back
24:32
Speaker 12: ourselves as a country and do what we should do
24:35
Speaker 12: to set this up for generations to come. That's why
24:37
Speaker 12: I'm in politics, and that's the legacy I want to
24:40
Speaker 12: leave for my children and why I get grandchildren. Not
24:44
Speaker 12: a legacy of renewables that last for fifteen years, but
24:46
Speaker 12: something will last for eighty to one hundred years. That's
24:48
Speaker 12: the common sense that the Nationals are going to stand
24:51
Speaker 12: behind and make sure that the next selection the Australian
24:54
Speaker 12: people get to a choice to vote for.
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Speaker 4: All right, David Little Proud, Leader of the Nationals, thank
24:59
Speaker 4: you very much for time.
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Speaker 14: Now.
25:01
Speaker 4: Coming up after the break shea chaos in the UK.
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Speaker 4: Five hundred extra prison spots are freed up as violence escalates.
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Speaker 4: The brilliant Brendan O'Neil will join me next plus, a
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Speaker 4: former head of Israeli intelligence will be on the show
25:16
Speaker 4: live and we're going to hear his insights as Israel
25:19
Speaker 4: prepares for a devastating strike by Iran.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back well.
25:27
Speaker 4: Hesbalah is reportedly poised to attack Israel in the coming days.
25:31
Speaker 4: This according to US intelligence. The Lebanese terrorist group is
25:36
Speaker 4: moving faster, apparently in its preparations than Iran with an
25:41
Speaker 4: attack from them expected to be sooner and harder than
25:44
Speaker 4: anything from Tehran. But a strike from either Iran or
25:48
Speaker 4: Hesbelah could happen.
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Speaker 3: With no notice.
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Speaker 4: Well to discuss this, I'm thrilled to welcome to the
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Speaker 4: program Major General Amos Yadlin. He's the former head of
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Speaker 4: IDF Intelligence direct and current President of MIND Israel. Thank
26:03
Speaker 4: you very much for joining us this evening, really appreciated. Look,
26:07
Speaker 4: Israel is bracing for strikes, as I just said, by
26:10
Speaker 4: Iran and Hezbollah. What can we expect and how do
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Speaker 4: you think their approaches will differ.
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Speaker 13: I think both of them are trying to attack Israel
26:25
Speaker 13: in their way as a retaliation and trying to establish
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Speaker 13: some the terrans after Israel basically retaliated and attacked the
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Speaker 13: chief military terrorists under Mazuala and Israel is alleged never
26:48
Speaker 13: took responsibility. But the Iranians are thinking that Raniah was
26:55
Speaker 13: the head of the Tel organization Haramas was assassinated in terror,
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Speaker 13: so Isael is ready the good news. I think that
27:06
Speaker 13: all three parties don't want to go to a full
27:09
Speaker 13: scale war. It's a very fine formula of operation that
27:15
Speaker 13: want to establish the terrence to do some retaliation without
27:21
Speaker 13: going that high that will will escalate to a full
27:27
Speaker 13: scale war.
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Speaker 3: Look, it's good to hear you say that.
27:30
Speaker 4: We have been reading reports though that there are concerns
27:33
Speaker 4: the attack could be devastating and could be very destructive,
27:37
Speaker 4: including in some of Israel's biggest cities. Are you confident
27:43
Speaker 4: that Israeli's defense systems, including the Iron Dome, will be
27:46
Speaker 4: able to protect citizens? So do you think the scale
27:50
Speaker 4: of an attack could be so large that it could
27:53
Speaker 4: overwhelm these systems.
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Speaker 13: I don't see them doing a large scale attack as
28:00
Speaker 13: it was in April from Iran and towards Tel Aviv,
28:06
Speaker 13: as it was never exercised in the last ten months
28:11
Speaker 13: that Rizbala started the war with Israel. I see them
28:16
Speaker 13: doing something that in the middle by the way, Iran
28:23
Speaker 13: is cooling down. They saw the American fleet that came
28:30
Speaker 13: to help Israel. They understood that Ania was not targeted
28:37
Speaker 13: from Israel by a missile or by any violation of
28:42
Speaker 13: an Iranian airspace, So they'll not have the right to
28:46
Speaker 13: do an attack on Israel with missiles. And I think
28:51
Speaker 13: the new president basically understand that there will be an
28:55
Speaker 13: Israeli reaction and he don't want to start his term
29:00
Speaker 13: basically caring about the Iranian economy and paying attention to
29:07
Speaker 13: what happened in Yemen. In Hu Daida thought, So, I
29:12
Speaker 13: see the Iranians looking for different kind of attack, not
29:17
Speaker 13: overwhelming missile attack. He's Balo on the other hand, he's
29:22
Speaker 13: Balo on the other hand, it's going to attack as well.
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Speaker 13: But I do have a lot of confidence in the defensive.
29:32
Speaker 13: It's not only the iron it's three layers of arrow
29:37
Speaker 13: David sling and iron doo and another foce which is
29:42
Speaker 13: the Isueli air force that can stop some of their
29:46
Speaker 13: drones and rose missiles. And they know exactly that Israel
29:51
Speaker 13: will not stay in the defense. Israel will react, maybe simultaneously,
29:56
Speaker 13: maybe after seeing the results. So I think are also
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Speaker 13: scaling down the level of attacks that's ay plan to do.
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Speaker 4: Against is Yeah, well it seems like the if that's
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Speaker 4: the case, the retaliation strikes and attacks will continue.
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Speaker 3: I don't see where an end is in sight. Major General.
30:15
Speaker 4: I'm interested to hear your thoughts just before you go
30:18
Speaker 4: on the recent assassination of the Hamas chief Honeyea that
30:22
Speaker 4: you refer to in Tehran. It's been reported, but not
30:25
Speaker 4: confirmed that a bomb was snuck into his bedroom and
30:29
Speaker 4: then at a later time, early in the morning Tehran time,
30:33
Speaker 4: it was remotely detonated.
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Speaker 3: We presume this was masade. We don't know how impressive.
30:39
Speaker 3: I mean, you were former IDF.
30:41
Speaker 4: Intelligence chief, So how impressive was this strike at his
30:46
Speaker 4: home in Iran to have to physically go in there
30:49
Speaker 4: in Tehran plant a bomb undetected.
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Speaker 13: I don't know who've done it, but whoever done this
30:57
Speaker 13: operation demonstrated a very high level of intelligence, a very
31:05
Speaker 13: high level of planning, and a very high level of
31:11
Speaker 13: being able to penetrate a site that belonged to the IRGC.
31:18
Speaker 13: So as I said, in the last months, Israel demonstrated
31:29
Speaker 13: some of its capabilities and the terrence that was highly destroyed.
31:37
Speaker 13: These really the terrence on the seventh of October is
31:41
Speaker 13: now getting back some of its value. If you once
31:45
Speaker 13: again go to the port in Judada to the head
31:48
Speaker 13: of the military part of Rizbala, I don't know whether
31:53
Speaker 13: an EA is included, but for sure death is included.
31:58
Speaker 13: Death is the head the head of Rama's terrorist organization
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Speaker 13: in Gaza in the military site. So the two main
32:07
Speaker 13: forms Gaza and liberon the heads the chief of stuffs
32:12
Speaker 13: of these tele organizations are gone, and this is the time,
32:16
Speaker 13: by the way, to go into a hostages deal from
32:21
Speaker 13: a position of poem after some achievement and basically to
32:27
Speaker 13: cool down the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good points.
32:31
Speaker 4: Look, I've really appreciated your insights, Major General, and we
32:35
Speaker 4: look forward to having you back on the program on
32:37
Speaker 4: another occasion.
32:38
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
32:40
Speaker 4: Well, let's turn to the United Kingdom now, which thankfully
32:43
Speaker 4: had a reprieve overnight from the violent riots that have
32:46
Speaker 4: rocked Britain over the past week. According to the latest
32:49
Speaker 4: YUGA of polling, half of people think Kirstarma has handled
32:54
Speaker 4: the riots poorly.
32:56
Speaker 3: Here he was just yesterday.
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Speaker 15: Over four hundred people now have been arrested. One hundred
33:02
Speaker 15: are being charged, some in relation to online activity, and
33:06
Speaker 15: a number of them are already in court and I'm
33:09
Speaker 15: now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week.
33:13
Speaker 15: But the message has to go to those who are
33:15
Speaker 15: involving themselves in this disorder, which is you're wrong, you
33:19
Speaker 15: shouldn't be doing it. You will the full force of
33:22
Speaker 15: the law, as I hope we're being able to demonstrate
33:24
Speaker 15: with these swift prosecutions.
33:26
Speaker 3: Right, let's bring it now.
33:27
Speaker 4: One of my favorite guests, Spiked online chief political reporter
33:31
Speaker 4: Brendan O'Neill in London.
33:32
Speaker 3: Terrific to see you again, Brendan. Look, how have these
33:35
Speaker 3: riots spiraled so quickly?
33:38
Speaker 4: And can you tell me about this underlying friction clearly
33:42
Speaker 4: in UK society.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the riots are awful, absolutely dreadful. They have been.
33:50
Speaker 7: They have caused a lot of destruction, a lot of injury.
33:53
Speaker 7: We've seen mosques being attacked, We've seen hotels housing immigrants
33:57
Speaker 7: being attacked. This is really nasty stuff and it really
34:00
Speaker 7: blew up for about four or five days. It seems
34:02
Speaker 7: to be fizzling out now. But you know, there is
34:05
Speaker 7: a reluctance from Keer Starmer downwards throughout the political class
34:09
Speaker 7: and the media class to talk about any potential causes
34:12
Speaker 7: of these frictions, any potential causes of these tensions in
34:16
Speaker 7: this violence. My view is that I don't even think
34:19
Speaker 7: these are race rights. I think they are identity riots.
34:21
Speaker 7: I think these are the grim wages of the politics
34:25
Speaker 7: of identity, when you live under a political system that
34:28
Speaker 7: continually reduces people to their racial characteristics, which divides people
34:33
Speaker 7: according to whether they are supposedly privileged or supposedly oppressed,
34:37
Speaker 7: which depicts Britain as an institutionally racist or Islamophobic country.
34:42
Speaker 7: When you have government, actors and activist class and the
34:45
Speaker 7: media set which are constantly pushing these divisive messages, I
34:49
Speaker 7: don't think we can be surprised when divisions actually explode
34:53
Speaker 7: into violence. So we have to look at ourselves as
34:55
Speaker 7: a society and ask how this kind of violence could happen.
34:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, the cause social cohesion is breaking down in cities
35:03
Speaker 4: around the world. Brendan, you were in Australia recently. We
35:06
Speaker 4: caught up you witnessed the insane anti semitism that we've
35:10
Speaker 4: got here. Well, just overnight and I'm going to play
35:13
Speaker 4: you everyone at home the footage from this after the
35:16
Speaker 4: break But overnight University of Sydney's students demanded that other
35:21
Speaker 4: students support the Palestinian right to armed resistance. That's how
35:26
Speaker 4: they put it. That is basically terrorism. How have we deteriorated?
35:31
Speaker 4: Do you think so extensively as a society that educated
35:35
Speaker 4: university students who are woke in every other aspect of
35:39
Speaker 4: life are now supporting terrorism and violence.
35:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's terrifying and I think it's even
35:48
Speaker 7: worse than that, I think clearly, as you say, they
35:52
Speaker 7: have expressed support for what is fundamentally terrorism, but they've
35:55
Speaker 7: expressed support for armies of anti Semites. Because if you
35:59
Speaker 7: are voting to support the Palestinian right to armed resistance,
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Speaker 7: as they refer to it, just nine months after her
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Speaker 7: mass carried out the worst slaughter of Jewish people since
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Speaker 7: the Holocaust, then you are giving your support to violent
36:12
Speaker 7: actions like that. So these are people who pose as
36:16
Speaker 7: anti fascists, who pose as anti racist, and yet they
36:19
Speaker 7: have been either blase or actively supportive of the worst
36:23
Speaker 7: act of racist violence of this century so far. So
36:26
Speaker 7: they are hypocrites. And I would say there are a
36:29
Speaker 7: lot of racists in their ranks as well. And you're right.
36:32
Speaker 7: Universities across the West have become hotbeds of due hatred
36:36
Speaker 7: since the seventh of October pogrom. You know, on those
36:39
Speaker 7: so called gaza encampments on American universities, we saw people
36:43
Speaker 7: referring to Israel as the pigs of the earth. We
36:47
Speaker 7: saw Jewish people being told to go back to Poland
36:50
Speaker 7: a swashticker was painted on one university campus. We've seen
36:53
Speaker 7: similar developments in Britain and of course, on all the
36:56
Speaker 7: protests which a lot of students are involved in, people
36:59
Speaker 7: have openly praised her Mass, They've openly praised the Whufies,
37:03
Speaker 7: They've openly praised movements that are devoted to the murder
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Speaker 7: of Jewish people. So I think the problem here, especially
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Speaker 7: on campuses, is that we have educated young people to
37:14
Speaker 7: turn against their own civilization. We've educated them to be
37:18
Speaker 7: anti Western and what we're faced middle East right now
37:21
Speaker 7: is a battle between civilization as represented by Israel and
37:25
Speaker 7: barbarism as represented by her Mass and its other allies.
37:29
Speaker 7: So it's not surprising, even though it's deeply shocking, that
37:32
Speaker 7: our young people, who we've turned against civilization have taken
37:36
Speaker 7: the side of barbarism in this conflict.
37:39
Speaker 4: So smart Brennan ONEO really appreciate you coming on the show.
37:43
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Now after the break we're going
37:45
Speaker 3: to have more on that story.
37:47
Speaker 4: And the female student who took on a mob of
37:50
Speaker 4: her Mass loving students at the University of Sydney last night.
37:53
Speaker 4: She waived the Israeli flag and oh she's not Jewish,
37:56
Speaker 4: She's going to join me life c Plus, it's been
37:58
Speaker 4: a bad day for Alan Joyce, who lost nearly ten
38:02
Speaker 4: million dollars.
38:03
Speaker 3: That's all coming up next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Well, let's go to these utterly outrageous scenes at the
38:13
Speaker 4: University of Sydney last night where the Student Representative Council
38:17
Speaker 4: put forward motions where they called for three things. One
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Speaker 4: to cut ties with Aparte Israel, secondly to scrap the
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Speaker 4: Camper's access policy and lastly affirm a one state solution
38:30
Speaker 4: and Palestinian's right to armed resistance. Well, two motions were
38:35
Speaker 4: passed at the meeting, supported by an overwhelming majority, and
38:39
Speaker 4: they were to cut ties with genocide and Gaza, and
38:42
Speaker 4: the second to support a one Palestinian state, no Israel,
38:47
Speaker 4: and the right to armed resistance. In the preamble, the
38:51
Speaker 4: students also argue that there should be no expulsions or
38:55
Speaker 4: suspensions of students who endorse terrorism. So this is what
39:01
Speaker 4: we're actually speaking about here, supporting Palestinian's right to armed resistance,
39:07
Speaker 4: that is, supporting their right to terrorism. And that's what
39:12
Speaker 4: happened on October seven when entire families were slaughtered, a
39:15
Speaker 4: massacre where hundreds of young people were gunned down at
39:19
Speaker 4: a music festival.
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Speaker 3: Is this, seriously, what these.
39:24
Speaker 4: Dumb students at the University of Sydney support apparently so now,
39:31
Speaker 4: a non Jewish but pro Israel student moved an amendment
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Speaker 4: to condemn the Hamas October seven attacks. You won't be
39:39
Speaker 4: surprised to hear it was overwhelmingly defeated. I've seen the videos,
39:44
Speaker 4: the crowds shouting, we don't give an f and free,
39:48
Speaker 4: free Palestine. They won't condemn the October seven attacks. Literally
39:52
Speaker 4: pregnant women had their babies cut out of their stomachs.
39:55
Speaker 4: Babies and children were killed, women were raped. Jewish students
40:03
Speaker 4: said they faced hostility. They found it very distressing that
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Speaker 4: their fellow students wouldn't even condemn the terror attacks. Make
40:10
Speaker 4: no mistake, this is extreme anti semitism. Well, student frail,
40:16
Speaker 4: each spoke extremely well.
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Speaker 3: In front of the hostile crowd. Have a look.
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Speaker 13: The mass is.
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Speaker 14: A brutal Jamais Reggie. You cannot say you stand for
40:28
Speaker 14: women and not condemn the rape of Israeli women. You
40:33
Speaker 14: cannot say you support queer people and not condemned her mask.
40:38
Speaker 13: Who takes a sharia is laming you available?
40:42
Speaker 14: I suggest they should be thrown off.
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Speaker 3: Till now, our lawyers blurred that footage.
40:48
Speaker 4: I don't know why it's but if you want go
40:51
Speaker 4: check it all out on Twitter now. The Wentworth MP
40:54
Speaker 4: Alegras Spender released a statement saying she was appalled to
40:57
Speaker 4: see young Jewish students treated with disrespect when they explained
41:01
Speaker 4: the facts about her muss Allegra. Spender said last night's
41:04
Speaker 4: motion excuses the actions of her musk and was passed
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Speaker 4: without meaningful debate. No thoughtful person who considers the facts
41:12
Speaker 4: could support such a motion. And then after that meeting,
41:16
Speaker 4: the pro Palestinian students then stormed the University of Sydney's
41:20
Speaker 4: administration building where Vice Chancellor Mark Scott has his office.
41:24
Speaker 4: I've spoken to academics and students today. They are devastated.
41:29
Speaker 4: It was a disgusting display of anti Semitism and we've
41:32
Speaker 4: seen basically no leadership from the University of Sydney. In
41:36
Speaker 4: my view, the university has to shut this down. The
41:40
Speaker 4: only way they can do that is by suspending any
41:44
Speaker 4: student who voted to support terrorism, because thou would send
41:48
Speaker 4: a message that these aren't Australian values of tolerance and
41:53
Speaker 4: empathy and inclusiveness. Or I'm pleased to say that that
41:57
Speaker 4: University of Sydney student that you saw standing up there
42:01
Speaker 4: and taking on that horrible mob.
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Speaker 3: Frey E. Leitch Well, she joins.
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Speaker 4: Me now in studio along with commentator Jason Morrison.
42:09
Speaker 3: Welcome to Freyer. I have to say I feel like
42:13
Speaker 3: starting by applauding.
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Speaker 4: You, because that took so much courage to stand up
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Speaker 4: there in front of all of those students who are
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Speaker 4: heckling you.
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Speaker 3: And you're not Jewish, but you.
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Speaker 4: Stood up for Israel's right to exist. You stood up
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Speaker 4: for the victims of terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Tell me what happened last night and how you felt.
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Speaker 14: I knew it was going to be crazy when I
42:33
Speaker 14: saw the motions that were published. I knew this was
42:36
Speaker 14: going to be totally just full of anti Semitism. But
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Speaker 14: even I was shocked. And I've been to a lot
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Speaker 14: of these student politics meetings. The facts that we put
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Speaker 14: up an amendment to condemn Hermas and condemn October seven,
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Speaker 14: and that amendment was voted down by about eight hundred
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Speaker 14: to eight says it. All these people are openly supporting terrorism.
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Speaker 14: They've dehumanized Jewish people and Israeli people to such a
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Speaker 14: point where they cannot even condemn rape. They cannot condemn
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Speaker 14: burning people alive, they cannot condemn kidnapping, I am so
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Speaker 14: distressed at the state of my generation and this university,
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Speaker 14: and the fact that I guarantee these students will be
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Speaker 14: back in class on Monday. Nothing will happen, there will
43:24
Speaker 14: be no repercussions, and they will continue to go on
43:29
Speaker 14: just luring these poor first year students into crazy radical socialists,
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Speaker 14: pro Palestine clubs and societies, and over time anti Semitism
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Speaker 14: will become the new normal at our university.
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Speaker 3: Already has, yeah, it already has.
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Speaker 14: And what's so scary is our leaders, a lot of
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Speaker 14: them have actually started as Sydney University students. We know
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Speaker 14: Albo was once one of these pro Palestinian activists at
43:54
Speaker 14: Sydney UNI. It is terrifying to think that these kids
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Speaker 14: who cannot condemn terrorism could potentially go on to be
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Speaker 14: leaders of this country.
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Speaker 4: I can't tell you how incredible, brave, courageous and articulate,
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Speaker 4: articulate you are. We are just so lucky to have
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Speaker 4: had you standing up there speaking last night. Jason, how
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Speaker 4: do you think Mark Scott needs to handle this well?
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Speaker 16: Mark Scott needs to stand up for once, not to
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Speaker 16: be sitting in the corner and avoiding this issue and
44:23
Speaker 16: putting out statements to diffuse tensions, because it's not about tensions,
44:28
Speaker 16: it's about a boring attitude that the university seems to
44:30
Speaker 16: be able to look by. I don't think these kids
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Speaker 16: will end up being leaders. They'll end up being Green's staffers.
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Speaker 16: And that, unfortunately, is the sick part of all of this,
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Speaker 16: is that they think they're in the mainstream with these views.
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Speaker 16: They are so over in the kooky left with some
44:47
Speaker 16: dangerous thinking. And look, it's a shame actually that the
44:50
Speaker 16: lawyers blurred that vision, because what the vision shows is
44:54
Speaker 16: you're talking about fair dikham things that are happening in
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Speaker 16: the Middle East, like people being killed for their sexuality,
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Speaker 16: women being attacked because they're women speaking out. You're talking
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Speaker 16: about things that actually do go on and are part
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Speaker 16: of Sharia law.
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Speaker 1: And these half wits are giggling and laughing. They think
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Speaker 1: it's funny.
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Speaker 16: You're talking about rape going on inside the attacks that happened,
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Speaker 16: and they're laughing at this like it's not real.
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Speaker 1: Look, they're not right.
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Speaker 4: I have no problem with people being pro Palestinian and
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Speaker 4: disagreeing with the Israeli government.
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Speaker 3: That's free speech, that's perfectly fine.
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Speaker 4: But what we saw last night was an endorsement of terrorism,
45:34
Speaker 4: endorsing Palestinian's right to armed resistance, and refusing to condemn
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Speaker 4: the terror attacks.
45:41
Speaker 3: That's what's so concerning.
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Speaker 14: And I was in Israel in May. I went to
45:45
Speaker 14: the site of the Nova Music Festival massacre. I went
45:48
Speaker 14: to Kibbutzbery. I spoke with a woman whose son and
45:52
Speaker 14: nephew were murdered.
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Speaker 3: On October seven.
45:54
Speaker 14: She has another nephew that is still being held hostage
45:57
Speaker 14: in Gaza to this very day. That is what resistance
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Speaker 14: looks like. I wonder if these kids realize that's exactly
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Speaker 14: what they're supporting.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how do you.
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Speaker 4: Go from having you know, woke inclinations in any other
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Speaker 4: respective life and then suddenly you support terrorism because it's
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Speaker 4: against Jews.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: I think the failure at the university is the failure
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Speaker 16: to speak it as it is, as you are here
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Speaker 16: tonight and as you did in front of that room,
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Speaker 16: is that there are too many people, too many academics,
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Speaker 16: and they want to hide behind, you know, an academic argument,
46:33
Speaker 16: but it's straight out you hatred, and it seems to
46:36
Speaker 16: be something that they're comfortable with being a part of.
46:38
Speaker 16: In these enlightened, tolerant halls. Of universities, that there are
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Speaker 16: actually people who seem to think that's an acceptable thing
46:44
Speaker 16: to find a group of people and just hate them
46:46
Speaker 16: because of what they are, and to be able to
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Speaker 16: look past the violence and the horizontal It's been there
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Speaker 16: for too long, and it started with this little tent
46:53
Speaker 16: game that happened out there for far too long, Mark Scott.
46:58
Speaker 16: He continues to fail upwards and this seems to be
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Speaker 16: what happens with this don I don't get.
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Speaker 3: It getting dangerous now.
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Speaker 4: Jason Morrison Freileitch, thank you so much both of you
47:06
Speaker 4: for your to I think we're going to take a
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Speaker 4: quick break and then we'll be back with MOK. Let's
47:15
Speaker 4: bring in now Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge.
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Speaker 3: Michael, great to see you.
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Speaker 4: Look, let's look at this story that broke last night
47:23
Speaker 4: on Channel seven that there are concerns that Papua New
47:26
Speaker 4: Guinea could sell its power grid to China, or at
47:29
Speaker 4: least have Chinese investors, a move that would only bolster
47:33
Speaker 4: Beijing's presence.
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Speaker 3: In the region.
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Speaker 4: What did you think of that report and do you
47:38
Speaker 4: have concerns about this?
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Speaker 13: Well, Sherry, it's a credible report.
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Speaker 17: The head of PM G Power has said he's open
47:46
Speaker 17: to Chinese money. He doesn't know how they get such
47:48
Speaker 17: cheap loans, I do. They're backed by the Chinese government, Australia, Japan,
47:54
Speaker 17: New Zealand and the USUS spending hundreds of millions of
47:57
Speaker 17: dollars rolling out more electricity distribution in P ANDNG. It
48:02
Speaker 17: would be a massive own goal for US to build
48:05
Speaker 17: the electricity distribution system and then have a Chinese company
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Speaker 17: operating it. It's critical infrastructure.
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Speaker 7: So the answer here is.
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Speaker 17: The Australian government needs to back an Australian energy partner
48:17
Speaker 17: of P and G power.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this is a failure of Foreign Minister
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Speaker 3: Penny Wong? Should she be doing more.
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Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 17: Yes, because how ridiculous is it that we're working with Japan,
48:31
Speaker 17: the US and New Zealand to roll out more electricity
48:34
Speaker 17: distribution only to possibly hand it over to a Chinese company.
48:40
Speaker 17: And we know Beijing has been hacking into critical energy
48:45
Speaker 17: systems in the US and other countries including Australia. If
48:48
Speaker 17: they can own and control P Andng's energy system, that's
48:52
Speaker 17: all bad news.
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Speaker 4: Look, I want to ask you about what was the
48:56
Speaker 4: big news that started off this week that our terror
48:58
Speaker 4: threat has raised to probable.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this should have happened months ago?
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Speaker 17: Well, I wonder why it was lowered, but certainly after
49:08
Speaker 17: the horrible unleashing of such division in our community over
49:13
Speaker 17: the war in Gaza and the Prime Minister's failure to
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Speaker 17: lead a national debate to diffuse that, Yes, the terror
49:21
Speaker 17: alert should have been raised earlier. I thought it was
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Speaker 17: disturbing that there was only one sentence about the war
49:28
Speaker 17: in the Middle East in two pages of gumph about
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Speaker 17: the raising of the alert, because that is the reason.
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Speaker 17: It's that war and the failed national leadership of the
49:38
Speaker 17: Prime Minister that stoked the anger and division in our community.
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Speaker 4: Do you think he's still not seeing the leadership, not
49:46
Speaker 4: showing the leadership that we need right now?
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Speaker 3: Very quick answer.
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Speaker 17: I do, and I think it's because the Labor Party
49:53
Speaker 17: doesn't have an ethical position on the conflict.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, very interesting, Marca Shrubridge. Really appreciate your time and ste.
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Speaker 4: Sorry it was so short this evening. That's all we've
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Speaker 4: got time for you tonight. I'll be back here Monday
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Speaker 4: at eight o'clock. And right now, here's the man of
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Speaker 4: the hour, Poor Murray