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Bomani Jones Thought Sinners Was Just Fine??!?! (The Bomani Jones Interview 2026) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, I've been doing this for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: usually like I'm not even here.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying with respect on your name.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, y'all? And welcome to another episode of
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  Speaker 3: the four All Nerds Show. Issue Boy DJ Benja mean,
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  Speaker 3: I really don't have my aka's tonight because I'm a
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  Speaker 3: bit distraught. We just don't get right into the show.
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  Speaker 3: But as always I'm joined.
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  Speaker 4: By Tatiana Ken, the Grand Duchess of Text also know
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  Speaker 4: it as Tatiana.
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  Speaker 2: Kane the Conqueror.
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  Speaker 5: All right, there's one, okay, cool, just one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to upstage. You got none, so I
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  Speaker 2: had zero.
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  Speaker 5: Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: I've been doing my dual lingos, so I had Sarah
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  Speaker 3: your tanko Sarah.
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  Speaker 5: Going back to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm still in the elementary stages. If I
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  Speaker 3: fin it, let me know. All right, And as you
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  Speaker 3: hear by the i'm an chuckle in the background, but
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  Speaker 3: you're also joined by returning to the show. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the host of Right Time with bearing his name mister
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  Speaker 3: Beaumani Jones is here in the spaceship again tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome here, everybody, yo, And I have to say that
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  Speaker 5: chuckle whatnominous.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that I've been taking Spanish lessons now for
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  Speaker 1: like two and a half years. Oh okay, I could
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  Speaker 1: commiserate a bit with the prize you feel when you
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  Speaker 1: get a little Spanish, right the onlyss.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I use a different service, but like now I do
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  Speaker 1: three lessons a week, you know what I'm saying. Though
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  Speaker 1: I fully acknowledge that I am better at speaking Spanish
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  Speaker 1: as storymail whore I blar k at scoop char here
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  Speaker 1: in the Spanish not nearly as good right as we
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  Speaker 1: like i'm talking to somebody that I know I can
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  Speaker 1: understand their Spanish. I don't do a great job if
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  Speaker 1: I'm like trying to listen to music or why the
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  Speaker 1: TV show?
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  Speaker 5: And don't get me started on that bad bunny shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know really Like I'll pick out a word
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  Speaker 1: here and there, you know, but I can speak it
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  Speaker 1: pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well, being from Brooklyn, I speak Spanish very well.
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  Speaker 4: I understand it pretty flawlessly. But like when like they'll
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  Speaker 4: speak to me in Spanish and I'll respond in English.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I use duo Because'm trying to knock
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  Speaker 4: out of that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you what's offensive to me I
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  Speaker 1: got a homie, a white home. He live up on
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  Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty something street or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: he is really into Spanish and stuff. So like he
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  Speaker 1: and I like when we text, we text the Spanish,
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  Speaker 1: we you know, helped shopen each other up. His wife
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  Speaker 1: of Venezuela. So he you know, he can do it
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  Speaker 1: at the castle, right, but we'll go places and we would,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just to do the whole thing. We'd go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere you know, some Spanish is too broad, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: but some some Latin tinge restaurant where they go, right,
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  Speaker 1: So we go on to the Bronx. So we going
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  Speaker 1: to inn Wood, like we doing it for real, you know,
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  Speaker 1: East Haultam, you know, somewhere over there, and it'd be
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  Speaker 1: so offensive because its white ass. Get in there and
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  Speaker 1: start speaking Spanish. They speak Spanish to him right back.
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  Speaker 1: I try to speak Spanish, they'd be like that'll be
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  Speaker 1: three fifty yeah, and I don't understand, like obviously I'm trying.
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  Speaker 5: To do this.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's the plight of the Afro Latino. Like
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  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you're black, you can't possibly speak this right.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Like like are you offended?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to meet you where you at, Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't get black. I don't black. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 5: about seeing that's you know, like I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I try not to get into their shit, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't really fully understand what the world is, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a little practice. And they out
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  Speaker 1: here like nah three fifty.
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  Speaker 5: All right, then you got it?
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, that's great. Yes, welcome to this spaceship. But
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  Speaker 4: MANI you've been well clearly you and Ben have known
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  Speaker 4: each other for like the longest time, but you've also
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  Speaker 4: been supportive of for ow nerds podcasts for almost since
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  Speaker 4: the inception, and you've always been around.
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  Speaker 2: You've always like make sure that we needed what we needed,
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  Speaker 2: we got what we got.
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  Speaker 4: You understand, like you and I just want to just
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  Speaker 4: first just say my appreciations to that, no problem, yeah
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  Speaker 4: for real, And then also like you know, as we continue,
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  Speaker 4: as we continue that as we've grown, we watch you grow,
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  Speaker 4: We watch you get all of your accolades and your
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  Speaker 4: different opportunities, and you know, when you look at your
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  Speaker 4: growth and maybe even also our growth, but when you
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  Speaker 4: look at your growth, do you also.
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  Speaker 2: Think like, damn, I'm good. But do you think damn
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  Speaker 2: I got so far to go?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would say on the so far to
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  Speaker 1: go part, I don't think that I am.
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  Speaker 2: The last emmy will say Otherwise, I.
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  Speaker 1: Always say, though I got that Ivy, I didn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: win it.
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  Speaker 6: That's a lost story.
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  Speaker 7: But no.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing for me is I've really checked all
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  Speaker 1: the boxes of the things that I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: Like the last couple of years for me have been
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  Speaker 1: like i'll call it three years. It's been a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a challenge because after I did the show
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  Speaker 1: for HBO, I was like, okay, Like that's the dream job.
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  Speaker 1: That was the thing that I always wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: I had done that, and I'd say I had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years that were just I wouldn't say going
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  Speaker 1: through the motions. I don't think that's fair. But I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't My heart wasn't quite into it as it had
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  Speaker 1: been in previous times because everything that I was doing,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't really a challenge. Like I had a new
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  Speaker 1: producer on my podcast now he's been working on it
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  Speaker 1: now for me probably about shit, I guess about six
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  Speaker 1: months now and we have a real strong chemistry that
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  Speaker 1: has kind of like excited me a little more. And
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  Speaker 1: I realized that, you know, this podcast used to be
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  Speaker 1: a second job. Now it's my main job. So it
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  Speaker 1: had been injured. It had been built to work around
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  Speaker 1: the schedule, but now it was the schedule.
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  Speaker 6: So it's like, so why don't you do four days
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  Speaker 6: a week now instead of three?
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  Speaker 5: And now like.
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  Speaker 1: There's a been Like I have more energy toward those
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  Speaker 1: sorts of things, but like the hard part for me,
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  Speaker 1: I got two things that I definitely want to.
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  Speaker 6: Do now that are like the next level of it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I beat the game, but now
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  Speaker 1: we're in like bonus stages. Right at some point, I
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  Speaker 1: got to get a book done and I would like
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  Speaker 1: to direct a documentary at some point, Like I have
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  Speaker 1: the conversations with the people that I pay about doing
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  Speaker 1: those things, and I'm in a position that if I
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  Speaker 1: get to just get the discipline locked in that I
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  Speaker 1: can go.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead and do it.
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  Speaker 1: But I did, like I really looked back about three
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  Speaker 1: years ago and I was like, look, man forty one,
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  Speaker 1: forty two years old, and I did everything that I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do in this and it's like Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: how do you keep this going? What do you do next?
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't think I'll I think early in
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  Speaker 1: my career I really looked at the things I did,
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  Speaker 1: and I skipped a lot of steps, and I was
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the game early, and I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of crazy that I've gotten here. Then
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  Speaker 1: I realized how hard it was to really keep you know,
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  Speaker 1: keep things going. And so I can look back and say, man,
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  Speaker 1: I've done a whole lot of things, and then I
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  Speaker 1: can look around and it's so many people that have
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  Speaker 1: done so many more things, you know what I mean, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just like I just get to a place where
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's less self congratulatory than it is. I
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  Speaker 1: know the parts of this that were hard, and I
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  Speaker 1: know the parts that other people wouldn't necessarily be able
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  Speaker 1: to look at and realize how challenging some of those
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  Speaker 1: things may have been.
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  Speaker 6: But I know right like, I know what.
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  Speaker 1: I had to do to get it to where it is,
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  Speaker 1: and I am happy that I've been able to inspite
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  Speaker 1: of some hiccups.
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  Speaker 5: Man, it ain't all been a straight line, you know,
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 1: The ability to get back up has always been for
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  Speaker 1: me more important, I think than anything else.
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  Speaker 3: That's very well said, because I know, like I just
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  Speaker 3: had a birthday and I've been you know, reflecting on
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  Speaker 3: my life and things I've done, and people on the
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  Speaker 3: outside looking in at me are always like, oh, you've
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  Speaker 3: done all this different stuff, and I'm always like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot more things that I want to do.
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  Speaker 3: But then when I was very reflecting on everything that
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  Speaker 3: I have done, I might well, I have done a
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  Speaker 3: lot of different things, and more so, I just like
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  Speaker 3: being a good person, Like I think that that's really
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  Speaker 3: something that I've been happy to realize that I have
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  Speaker 3: been at that in life.
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  Speaker 5: And I think you are the same Bomini.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like we've known each other, like Toddianna said,
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  Speaker 3: shit going on I don't know ten plus now, like
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  Speaker 3: yeah we in the decades, Yeah yeah, since combat Jack everything,
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  Speaker 3: and you've always been a straight up dude, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Houston everything, and so you know, thank you for being
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  Speaker 3: here again. And that's really just well said what you said.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you for saying that as well.
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  Speaker 5: No, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like it's funny because you mentioned a thing
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  Speaker 1: with combat Jack and he used to listen to the
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  Speaker 1: show that I used to record for Serious. It's back
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  Speaker 1: in like twenty ten, twenty eleven, and I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: like the full magnitude of who he was, but like
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  Speaker 1: he had a cool name. I looked it up, like
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  Speaker 1: I knew with the lawyer stuff or whatever. And he
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  Speaker 1: started listening to the show because he had serious because
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  Speaker 1: he's a Howard Sharon dude. Because he that kind of
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  Speaker 1: New York right right. He was a Howard Starran dude.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think people understand for somebody to turn
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  Speaker 1: off Howard Stern to come check you out, even for
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  Speaker 1: twenty minutes on your show, like it's a real big deal.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think about like when I used to
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  Speaker 1: go on his show and I sit there and periodic
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  Speaker 1: every time i'd come.
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  Speaker 6: On, I come on once a year, and he'd be like, so,
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  Speaker 6: how's the money.
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  Speaker 1: And it was interesting because it was at that time
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  Speaker 1: when it was climbing, right, and I actually appreciated it
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't have nobody to really talk to about
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  Speaker 1: the fact this like significantly changing part of my life
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a build. I wouldn't necessarily give a number.
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  Speaker 1: But it was kind of like, oh yeah, like going
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  Speaker 1: on that show was kind of like getting your hype.
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  Speaker 5: Marked on the wall just a little bit. But then
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  Speaker 5: you get to a point and after.
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  Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a long time, like I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing the job overall for over twenty five years, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like the first time I did the first time I
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  Speaker 1: ever was on television was twenty years ago. The first
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  Speaker 1: time that I did Around the Horn was over fifteen
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 5: After a while, man, people stopped being happy for.
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  Speaker 1: You about this shit, Like there's no longer You're no
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  Speaker 1: longer a countercultural figure, right like those I got the
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  Speaker 1: day one people that knew how crazy it was the
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  Speaker 1: first time that I got on right that, like I
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  Speaker 1: was I went on ESPN, and I was doing the
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  Speaker 1: exact same things that I was doing off of ESPN.
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  Speaker 1: Was it was for those For the people who came
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  Speaker 1: around late, they don't know that, but at the time
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of insane, the experiment that I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to run, and I pulled it on off and
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  Speaker 1: I got.
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  Speaker 5: To the places I was going.
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  Speaker 1: But then if you're a certain age, I've been there
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  Speaker 1: as long as you can remember. I'm the establishment, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so then you'd reach a place and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's been the hardest thing for me is to learn like,
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  Speaker 1: hey man, you are going to become as long as
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  Speaker 1: you are on the machine, no matter how no matter
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  Speaker 1: how revolutionary you feel like what you're doing is or
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  Speaker 1: how different it is than everything else, somebody just gonna
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  Speaker 1: see you as being the person that's on the machine. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I look up at stuff that say about me,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, okay, I forgot. You have
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  Speaker 1: no idea you weren't here. You know, you were not
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  Speaker 1: here from the beginning. You just look at me. I've
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  Speaker 1: always just been the dude on television to you, as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to people who have known me for long enough
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  Speaker 1: to be like, yo, I remember him from when, right,
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  Speaker 1: like I remember.
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  Speaker 5: What he was doing before.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what happens when you get older in
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  Speaker 1: this game, is that you just kind of look around
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, you're the old man.
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  Speaker 5: Now. You can try to fight at all you want, but.
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  Speaker 1: Don't little They still go thank you the old man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you can't get mad about.
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  Speaker 5: It because this is just this is how things go.
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  Speaker 1: Then one day they get older and they look at
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  Speaker 1: you and they like, damn, okay, damn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I give you think you care if people are happy
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  Speaker 2: for you anymore?
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  Speaker 5: At this point, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think there are still people who are happy for me, certainly, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But I also think that when you're on air or
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  Speaker 1: doing a podcast or whatever it is, especially because the
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  Speaker 1: stuff I've done.
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  Speaker 6: Is largely been daily, it's a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And as with any relationship, everybody grows in different directions.
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  Speaker 1: And so there are people who start off and they
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  Speaker 1: listen to you or they watch you, and they like you,
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  Speaker 1: and the reason is because they agree with you all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Well, then as things go and you get
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  Speaker 1: a little older and things change, y'all ain't necessarily going
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  Speaker 1: to agree as much.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then, on top of the fact that y'all aren't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily going to agree as much, somebody been listening to
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  Speaker 1: everything you say. Now they know everything you say, they
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  Speaker 1: like Damn how many times you gon tell that story?
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  Speaker 1: Every time I can. It's funny to me. Now it's
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  Speaker 1: funny to me then whatever it was the same way
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  Speaker 1: this happens in your own life, where you start finishing
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  Speaker 1: each other sentences and everything else, and you get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit tired of each other, and maybe it ain't
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  Speaker 1: the same as it used to be. It's the same
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  Speaker 1: way with the audiences that you have. Like I realized
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  Speaker 1: that I was the fight that I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's the right way to put it, but in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years, I realized what I was really
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  Speaker 1: trying to do. Most of these people out here trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how to get new people. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to hold on to the people I got right Like
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's again like a relationship. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: keep the woman that I got in my house.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: These people here were growing in different directions. We're going
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  Speaker 1: in different places, like all this stuff, and then the
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  Speaker 1: Internet has broken so many people's brains. They ain't even
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  Speaker 1: the same people that they used to be. And all
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  Speaker 1: you can do after a point is you have to
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  Speaker 1: be satisfied with the quality of work that you're doing
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  Speaker 1: and that you're staying true to who you are.
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  Speaker 6: And what your purpose always was.
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  Speaker 1: Because for me at this point in my career, I
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  Speaker 1: am trying to serve the people that have been with
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  Speaker 1: me from the beginning. You know, I've made enough money
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  Speaker 1: to where I can do that, right, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: to go chase this other stuff. So I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: serve the people that remember from way back when, right
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  Speaker 1: who know what this was? Who know who know what
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  Speaker 1: I had to go through and what I did in
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  Speaker 1: order to get here. I can't be how you even
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  Speaker 1: gonna get new people, Like I don't even know how
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  Speaker 1: people get new listeners and new consumers or anything else.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all, if you were smart, we all
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  Speaker 1: trying to hold on the people that we had, and
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  Speaker 1: the only way you can do that is via sincerity.
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  Speaker 3: And I think sincerity brings you new people though as well,
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  Speaker 3: cause that's what like I've been learning recently, because like
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  Speaker 3: you say, I've been doing.
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  Speaker 5: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh are you you know older in this space? Look
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  Speaker 3: at it like the unk et cetera.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But what I've also been realizing lately, especially in the
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  Speaker 3: geek nerd space, is there's a lot of cheap turn
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  Speaker 3: i'd say stupid, I'll say uneducated.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'll say uneducated.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of uneducated people, and there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of loud uneducated people. And so what I've realized that
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  Speaker 3: is the more the louder I get, the more.
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: Attention I get.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: And it really doesn't matter age because there's a lot
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: of this, you know. Like I said, there's a lot
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: of old dumb people, young dumb people, young uneducated, so.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Everyone needs this type of information. Yeah, well, I think
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: and I want to for me in terms of picking
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: up new people. This is what I mean. Every day
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: somebody's got a bright idea.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna start a podcast. Right, every day somebody.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Is like, I know a couple of rappers and I
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: got a studio, or they like I know a couple
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: of ball players, or I know a ball player.
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: And this white boy.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, everybody's got this same bright ass idea that
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: we are going to start a podcast. I've been doing
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: podcast for sixteen years and various far as capacities right,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: actually longer than that. But everybody's got that same idea,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start a podcast.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: What has not changed is the day still only has
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Right, every day more options are coming around,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: the day still only has twenty four hours, and so
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: in order for people to find space for new stuff,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to kick something else out in.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Some form of fashion in order to get there.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Like, there's such a glut and there's a prioritization for
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: these algorithms. They don't care how intently you listen. They
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: just care if you keep pressing play. And so the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: game incentivizes people to put up like especially with podcasts
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: these like in YouTube, like it's three hour long podcast,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: not so much so you can necessarily listen to them,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: but just so it'll play right like on the Spotify
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: space that you see a whole lot more AI music,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: because the game is trying to get you on a
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: sleep podcast because then it just plays and plays. They
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: don't care if you listen. They only care if you play.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And I am trying to provide something that's a little
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: bit more in depth for my people. So I'm just
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: trying to hold on. Like, hey, if I can hold
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: on to you, I will be just fine. You all
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: have held me down, and I've been able to make
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a living with the relationship that we've had for all
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: these years. Right That's where I'm like, I can find
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: new people through the sincerity. But think about what it
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: takes for a new person at this point in their
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: lives to make you a part of their habit. It's tough, man, Like,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: we're really all fighting up here in that way. But
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I agree with you the sincerity. Especially in this day
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and time, man, people people are clamoring for something real
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: because what we're giving them so often is the opposite.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, on that note, this is something I
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: wanted to ask about anyway, How like do you given,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: like you said, the state of the world today? I mean,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I know the state of the world is always pretty
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: much insane, but it seems to be, you know, in
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: the words of the wire, getting more fiercer. Yes, So
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: how do you still talk about things like basketball, etc.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: When the damaged any more? Fear every day? Yo? It's
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: so interesting that you asked that, because.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of my approach changed in twenty sixteen, And
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: it wasn't when Trump won the election.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: It was when Trump won the primary.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And the reason was I always felt like, like I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: always say, I'm not in the business to say in
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: obvious things, and so I felt as though a lot
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: of the things that were talking about that I was
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: talking about in front of the larger world, specifically about race,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: that I was really putting people very often on too,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: like game and stuff that they wouldn't have otherwise, that
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: there were things that they were not understanding about how
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: things worked. And I felt like I was helping them
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: make connections that perhaps they weren't making otherwise. And then
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Trump won the primary and I was like, okay, well,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: all there's left to say is obvious things like there's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: nothing that you there's nothing you need me to help
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to help you understand at.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: This point, it's there.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And I was also working at ESPN at the time,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: and I thought that I never had a problem with there,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: be careful on your politics while you work here sort
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: Right, if you look at what Steven A.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Smith is going through right now, you understand why they
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: felt that way. Like they like people looking at you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and they get mad at.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Some shit you said on somewhere else.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Right, you're gonna mess up all money all like like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: we don't even we don't like you don't even go
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to that school, right, Like I understood what their outlook was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But for now, I don't have a problem talking about
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: those kinds of things because I think those kinds of
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: things still matter, Like basketball is a thing that people
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: still care about. Basketball is a thing that still matters.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: There will be elements that come up, and I will
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: find ways to talk.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: About the larger issues at play.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm not one of those people like Ben me
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and you were at a birthday party a few months
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: ago when a man felt like he had to stop
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: his fiftieth birthday party because he needed to talk about
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I forget what terrible thing was going on in the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: world at the time, maybe it was Palestine or whatever
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it was, Like, I would be remiss if.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: I didn't talk about this.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like Potney, you ain't got to talk about this
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: right now, man, it's midnight. We at your crib and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: his music, like, like, you.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Don't have to.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You're not obligated every moment, you know, to do these things.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And so for me, so for me, there's a role.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: There's there's nothing wrong with having a good time in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the midst of these other things that are happening. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna like patently ignore that other stuff
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: or act like it doesn't matter and chastise anybody that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: wants to use their platform specifically to talk about those things.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: But now there's still room for basketball in this m.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: And Stephen A. Smith, Oh god man, he got y'all hot. Boy, Man,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: I don't look he doesn't even have me hot, like
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: because I don't.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I like, I don't know what he's talking about most time,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, like you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Know how aggravating, Like I don't like aggravating figures.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I don't watch He's on ESPN still right, Like that's
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: what I'm I don't watch ESPN, you know what I mean?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Straight down, bro, like.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Around the horn and went down and you know, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: know PTR is still there, but it's like, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I just after around the Horn, I was done and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I became a like And I wanted to ask you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: about that, in fact, because I used to be the
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: person who would turn on ESPN in the.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: Morning and all day long, yes like or not.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And then for a minute I switched for I started
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: with Shannon and Stip and then and I even found
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: out who What's I never knew who dude was before that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Who came on right after? Uh yeah, smarmy white boy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I like him, you know, because I like a smarmy
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: white boy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: So I've watched Colin for three hours. You know, you
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: got a great voice, great background.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: No before I work.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: But then Cam and Mace came out, and I'm a
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Cameron of Mace fan, so I started watching them, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: so I watched them and then it was like I
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: don't go back to ESPN anymore after that, And so
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know, how do you feel about like
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the changing of the guard or how it's this new
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: era of pretty much anybody talking sports and moving.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Away from the stephen A. Smith for the world.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because it's also moving away from the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Beaumont and Jones.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But you're also the old guard.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, I mean, but at the same time,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: for me, it kind of depends on who we're talking about.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So Cam and Mays, for example, Yeah, I think they
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: are excellent, right, Like I consume them more in bites.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: But I truly believe that what they are doing is good.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It is it's also satire, right, Like I appreciate the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: fact that they still get in the suits and they're
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: still sitting at the Sports Center type of set, right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and everything they talk about they are dead ass serious
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: about it. I think that's the underrated part of it too,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Like what they're saying they mean when they're up there.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But like also think what they typically talk about I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have to say is you know, like you know, be
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a little too old for the Paul's thing, right, Yeah, Like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: but also when they say stuff it's like, nah, man,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Actually they'll think, we gotta think you got a point here,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like there's there's something to this, But it's a bit humbling.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily talking about them because I think there
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: their whole thing is kind of all over the place.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But there are certain people who talk about sports that
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's a little humbling to be like, oh, so more
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: people would rather listen to these people talk about sports
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: who don't necessarily know that much about it, then they
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: would listen to me. It is tricky that the athletes
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: entering the space is interesting, right, So they're different, like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: different sets of people. So like Ryan Clark, for example,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: who I think is excellent on television and is put
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: together something really excellent on you know, with the Pivot
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and what.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: He does with those guys.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: A lot of these guys have gotten really good at this,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But what they've really locked down is the interview space.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: The Internet loves famous people talking to each other, like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: they really get off on that, and there's kind of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a game recognized game among players where guys that I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: never would have been able to land.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: The reason my shows have never really been based on
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: interviews with athletes is back in the day, I could
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: never get them, and so it was just like, why
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: even try, Like, I can do this another way, but
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I can never land those guys.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: They're all talking to each other right now.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I think at this point of the game, because I've
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: been doing it for so long, if I wanted to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do more sit down interviews, I could probably book those people.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I'm accustomed to not doing that, But they've wrecked the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: interview game completely because they can all go just talk
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to each other and you're never going to get a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: hard question, or at the very least, you're not gonna
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get an uncomfortable question. And if you get an uncomfortable question,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: your boy is probably gonna cut it out for you, cause, again,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a game, it's a game recognized game sort of situation.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not judging them for the fact that it's the case,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: but I am saying, we're competing against people who are
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: capable of doing some things that some of us can't
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: really do. Right, So all I can do is the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: best I can for the audience that I already have, Right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Never gonna put up the numbers Gilbert Ritaz does. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: by the way, I like Gilbert Show. I like Gilbert
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: a lot. I've been on there a few.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Times, Like, and the guys I'm talking about Cam and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Mace I had I mean Cam, I had him on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Game Theory. Gilbert, I had him on Game Theory, right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm not hating on these cats at all. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have used platforms. I've had to elevate a lot of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: these dudes no in their shows, right, But no, it's different,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like we're in.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Competition with guys.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Who didn't do this for a living, but they've got
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the maybe the most important currency that you need in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the game right now, which is fame.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: M Yeah, and that's that's close to pretty much the
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: answer I was gonna he was probably gonna give when
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, like, what is the background really
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: needed to be successful in this space?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And right now doesn't seem like no background be size.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So I'll get nerdy on this because yeah, I know
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: where I'm at. I don't know if you've ever heard
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of a gentleman named Neil Postman. He was an education professor.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: He died twenty three years ago, but he wrote a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: book called A Music Ourselves to Death that I highly
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: recommend anybody read. And all the Postman's books get back
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to the same thing, which was that television was going
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to ruin US as a society. But all his arguments
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: about what television was doing to society, the internet applied
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to doubly. Like the Internet is basically television, right, it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a different medium, but like you think about it, something
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that streaming is not really television, but we call it television, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Like the Internet is just television on steroids.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: But he made a point that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The point with him about television was and the way
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this all worked that it cut down on the amount
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of gatekeeping, both in terms of what was transmitted, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: also in terms of like who how much got out there,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and who got to put the stuff out there, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the difficulty people would then have themselves with sifting through
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: all the things.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: And he said that we would wind.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Being so overloaded by content that it would reach a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: point where it would become a prerequisite that to run
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for president you would need to have some pre existing
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: level of fame in order for people to know who
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you were, right, because otherwise, like that was the thing
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump had the advantage of in twenty sixteen. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: why Steven A. Smith thinks he can run for president now?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Is you skipped straight past the well who's that person?
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Question? Right?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So think about this twenty sixteen and even though even
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: though she is a politician, right, Hillary Clinton and Donald
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Trump people, everybody was already very familiar with twenty twenty,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden and Donald Trump. People were already very familiar
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: with Kamala Harrison Donald Trump. Again who people were already
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: familiar with that Nobody had to say, hey, tell me more,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: who's that? Like in nineteen ninety two, we didn't really
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know who most of us didn't know who Bill Clinton was. Right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: three straight elections, everybody's already known who who the person was.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And so that's the thing in this day and age
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that I think people have so much that's already out
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: there and so much to try to sift through. Something
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that's familiar is a great landing spot. And then it
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: goes from there, like fame begets more fame. It's like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: famous like money. You can take money to get money.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Now you got to be famous to get famous.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Fuck, not that I want to be famous, but yeah, no.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: That's a it's a it's a distressing sort of thing
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, Like I don't know young
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: people like yo man somebody wants to highlight you about
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: how to break through in the game, I'm like, they
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: can go talk to somebody else.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: I don't have any answers for you right now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: You don't consider yourself famous, I would.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Lean more toward recognizable. I'm famous in certain places right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is if you trying to get
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to where I am, I don't know how to tell
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you how to break through.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Here's what will get you on this are your famous thing?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Hanging out with actual faith as people I'm both that'll
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like like, it'll make you realize, like going out with
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: an athlete, that'll make you realize or or look Like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I said, I've been doing this TV thing for a while,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not as or I did. I don't do it anymore.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not as hot as I used to be. I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: am okay with that, just to be clear, but I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: recognize I'm not as hot as I used to be.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So I've had a couple of times where I'll be
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: out in New York somewhere with Monica McNutt, who has
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: two things going for once. She's on ESPN, but Monica
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: also does Knicks games. I'm out with Monica and these
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: people coming to Monica to talk about the Knicks. It's like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not even there, right, And first of all, shout
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to her because I love her. I think she's excellent
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: on some you know, in so many ways. But also, hey, man,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a long time. Here's like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not even here.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Respect on your name.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: How tall?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're tall, but how tall is Monica?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And she like, MoMA's about six feet. She's not as
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: tall as me, but she's like she's in.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: That zone, you know. But I'm like, you got the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: mega walks, smile bro come up with yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: But like, but you say you went too sports.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It's all I'm saying, right, yeah, but she on the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Micks right now.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, let me tell you I'll never forget this.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: When I lived in Miami, this is like twenty thirteen,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, I was going to the Pillmore and Miami
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Beach to see Dave Chappelle do a show, and I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: was waiting on Dan Levatard. We was meeting up because
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I think he had the tickets, and so I'm standing
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: outside and some dude comes up to me and it's like, hey,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you know Bobanida, I love you with Dan, and all
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this sudden like all right, okay, cool, right. I really
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: did not feel like being bothered, but you know, I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: tried my best. And next thing, you know, buddy comes
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: up and it says he's with his girl and he's like, hey, man,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: is Amy taking a picture? And I'm like, you know what,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it's okay, yeah, we could take a picture. And I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: give my sorry dialing up my smile, Bud. He handed
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: me his phone and it's like, okay, cool, can you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: get the sign in the picture? And then him and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: his girl went and posed and so.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I am very reluctant to say
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: anything too heavy about how famous I am or I
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: am not.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I've got like I was out with my partner. We
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: were in Brooklyn at a show and teching tech from
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Smith and Weston is standing there, you know, and this
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: is Brooklyn, you know Smith Weston. So I'm like, oh,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you know, my man, you know, we know you a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: We say what up?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: And somebody walks up to him and hands him a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: camera did you take a picture of me and my girl?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And then got upset when he.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Took it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: But they were like no, they weren't like, you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: they were like, oh, you know, could you take it again?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: You know type yeah, And it's like this, You're in
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Brooklyn and this is like you know, cornerstone of Brooklyn
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Hippoi and you're asking him to take a pic and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: you don't even know who he is.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, there's.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Disrespectful, but it's just like that said, it's just one
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: of those things like they probably shouldn't know who he is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: They should, but there's no reason for him to And
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: for me, it'll be like, oh, the on time I
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: buy into this ship is the.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: One time that this is not this is not actually
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: what it is. Because look, the other thing with me
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is I'm a nicer person than people realize. So like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: if that moment happens, I got to keep that happy
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: face off.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I got to be like, of course I'll take the
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: picture for you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You can't look like it has hurt you, right, It's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: not even that it hurts you, it's just.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't think that was what was going to happen.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It was a momentary feeling of pain.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily it's not necessarily pain as much as
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's like.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: A poke that pad. That felt weird.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: See, I've never gotten to that level of fame where
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I've even expected somebody to be like, you know, oh
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I want to take a picture with you. So whenever
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: they you know, I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll take the picture.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: That's my response is hand me the camera. Man, No,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I mean no, in certain places, trust me, I know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: But even in certain like New York coomer cons, even there,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: we're not inlevel words.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I'm it's recognized.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Man, I do get recognized, but I'm not expecting that
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: to be the first thing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like recognizable that that's that's the certain you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: were comfortable with. Now, Like if I pull up to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden for a game or something, Okay, I'm famous,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: right I pull up, I pull up to a rap
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: show of you know, certain subgenres.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I'm famous.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, there's there's place that could be Look, I'll
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: be places at walking here in the back.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Oh they go bo body Jones, like it does happen.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: It's a thing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But I remember, like twenty thirteen, I had just had
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: been doing TV at this port is right before I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: moved to Miami, and I was kicking it with Warres.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: We was out and that's what I realized. I wasn't famous.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, his face don't even be out, nah right,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Like he don't be outside at all.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but like he wear he wore a face
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: mask you don't like.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, this is just this is
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a much different level of things when it comes to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: these guys.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Why earlier you said you didn't earn that Emmy behind you.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so there is any say hello to Emmy, will
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I will read this?
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: So I will read it off to you.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It's from the twenty fourteen Sports Emmy Awards Outstanding Sports
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Documentary Series thirty for thirty, ESPN.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Bomani Jones, producer.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So what it happened was I just started working at
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: ESPN and they were working on a thirty for thirty
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: about Randy Moss at the time. It just so happened,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: by coincidence, that I had worked years before on a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: book proposal, and the plan was to write a book
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about Randy Moss and the evolution of the wide receiver position.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: And the sample chapter that I wrote for the book
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was going to chronicle Randy Moss from high school through
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the NFL draft, and so I had spent months and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: months and months working on this.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: I could pull out the binder.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I still have it over here with my footnotes and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: tables and everything at the index, and I pulled all
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the stuff off on Lexis next that I had done
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: all of this. And it turns out that the documentary
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: they were working on was for the time period of
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Randy Moss in high school through the time he got
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: drafted like it was perfect, and a gentleman named Marky's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Daisy was working on it. He was the first in
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: house director of a thirty for thirty who worked at ESPN,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and he got it done, and they had already been
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: working on it. It was they'd already interviewed Randy and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: everything else. And then once it got gone, they said, hey,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: would you like to be an executive producer on this?
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: And I said sure.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: The Emmy is for the documentary series, the whole thirty
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: for thirty.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Right, if I had never joined on to the.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Documentary that I joined on too, they would still have
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: gotten that Emmy.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: But I did join on there I got one of
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: those Zimmys too.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So the only reason that I actually keep the Emmy
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: in the shot is because of how preposterous it is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that I actually have this.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Don't don't the players who are on the practice store
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: still get it? Ye your difference, You.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Know, I did do more than that. But that's what
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got this, Simmy. I didn't steal this, Sibby.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I got it, but I didn't really like I was not.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I did not hit the winning basket right to get
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: us this championship. I did not do that. And so
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that's why for me, it's kind of funny because people like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he's an Emmy Award winning journalist, Yeah, got it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I like to say I'm Ansner Award winning nominated,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: which you are.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Well see my book The Colors. The colors on my
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: book was not made doing this.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Your name is on the cover of the book. Your
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: name is on IMDb. You know what I'm saying.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Like everywhere that is any type of referential platform, your
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: name is there as well as Mellow Brown. Shout out
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: to our brother Mellow. So what are you talking about
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Tom Mandrake as well.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: But I will tell you this.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: The second season of Game Theory got nominated for an
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Image Award and they mail you.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: The certificate that they get for them. Yeah, And I took.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That down to Blick and I got that frame and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I had that up on the wall, and I admit,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I look at that one a little bit different, right
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: like I do look at that like I heard it right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't mad that I didn't win or anything
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I'm a little skeptical.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But now that I've been doing this a little bit longer,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I know how award sausage is made.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I'm a little bit more skeptical of it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I was. I thought it was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: cool that they nominated me.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: What's up, y'all, thank you for watching whatever video you
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: just watched. I need you to hit those like and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the subscribe buttons that you see right below you as
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: your watching right now, I mean right now, hit them and.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: We can get right back to the video you were
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: just watching like this.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And so I put that up like that would land
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that is about me, That was about my show with
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the name and the marquee and everything else.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: So that would land a little bit different, saying.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Man, don't ever say that ship ever again. Bro.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: No, for me, I don't have the same feeling about
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: money because I wrote that damn book.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: That ship the Color if I had.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I mean we mean shipped to color if not for
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: your words?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Right, look justin I love it personal. I'll tell you
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: all the time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: You things, but you know, wrote some words and Tom
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: hadn't drawn the pictures you know they want, So you
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: know that's real talk. Yeah, I started that fire. I'm
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: not you know, I'm not even gonna act like I did.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You said you wanted to write a book? Are you
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: gonna lest the help of your sister? Like? What do
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: you gonna do to get your own?
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: And we do?
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: We do different things.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I have an idea.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give it all the way, but
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it's an essay collection that I want to work on.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But what I've after I stopped doing Game Theory, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I talked about this a bit on shows that I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: had done, and I don't think people fully appreciated what
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I was saying. But I was really one thing that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: was interesting in doing game Theory, and the HBO executives
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: would bring up when we'd have topics and they'd be like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: hey man, you got to be careful that you're not
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: just doing a show every week about something you don't like, right, like, like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: people love sports, don't ever lose sight of what it
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: is that people love about this, you know, because you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: we were doing this hard hitting issues and stuff like that,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: right you know, and there's a general snarky tone to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: comedy and everything else. But they were like, hey, man,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: don't don't you can just be out here negative.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: About this stuff all the time.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was true, And so I want
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to lock in with my work more on what things
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: are that we love about sports, what the things are
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that make us gravitate towards, Why it's such a like
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: centerpiece of community, why it's so magnetic, all of those things,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and so like it's those things all my shows now
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and ultimately with the book if I.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Get to it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: That's what I want to explore, is that we don't lose.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Sight, especially since the Internet people have figured out that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: rage and anger really sells. Like I don't think I'm
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: not sure I'm making a great business decision in this focus,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: but this is what I want to lock in on.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: These are the things that I think are important.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about that all the time.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Neativity, we go through that all the time.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Like lately I've been realizing, like I have to call
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I have that not negativity, but I think because there's
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: such a.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, sports has its own issues as well, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: in deep them there's there's a lot of negative stuff
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and a lot of that negative thought processes are dominant
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: thought processes. So for me to call them out, it's necessary, needed,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: and so I don't look at that as being negative,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: but it does, you know, get them views because people
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like to see the comment.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: It's an outrage machine.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Like people go to the internet to be mad, and look, man,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you know, anybody that followed me on the tweets in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the early days, I don't think they The thing was,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I was never mad. I was just really good at
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: shooting people down right. I never I never started to fight,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: but I was gonna end it. And I was really
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: just it was like being in the cafeteria, like I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was joning on cats, and I would do that anymore. Obviously,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I got to be a little bit like after a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: certain point, I was I was a little too visible
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to just be could keeping doing this and somebody was probably.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: Gonna pull up on me at some point.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: But I had like I didn't want to do that anymore.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But I was never actually mad, Like Katie Nolan once
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: told me that she had a picture of me until
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: she actually met me. She said she was around me
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: for like five minutes and she was like, oh, none
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of this makes him mad, right, Like people were able
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to grasp to fully understand what type of person I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: was once I was there, But then I just started
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: looking more and more Like I look at my friends
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and I'll call them and be like, hey man, you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just go on.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Here to be mad like this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This is like the place we used to go on
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the Internet to talk about the things that we liked,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and now we go on there primarily to talk about
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the things that we don't like because they figured out
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: that sells, likee sex that sells, like crack that sells,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Like all this other stuff is people just going on
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: there to be mad about stuff, and I just can't, Like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I can't traffic like that. Like I parlayed social media
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: into a career, I parlayed it into most of the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: stuff that I have, I do not participate in that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: space anymore, Like to the point where I look at
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: other people and I'm like, hey man, a lot of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: y'all are doing an impression of what I used to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: do back in the day.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: Don't you notice I'm not here anymore?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But does that not make you ask some questions about
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: what exactly it is that we're doing. So in my work,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like we're doing a series right now in my podcast
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: about the year nineteen ninety six in rap, right because
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the year of ninety six in rap was amazing, And
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: so now I get to have my people on and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we lock in on something that we love. That is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: That's where I want to go now with the things
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that I'm doing, is what are the things that we
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: love rather than these things that just get us charged up?
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of something that we love.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I did want to know what did you think or
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: how are you feeling about the Ostro nominees this year
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: because I saw that you did do a show where
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: you were distrussing one bat after another and highest to lowest. Yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: and I know most people were, you know, out here
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: comparing one battle and loved with sinners.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: So I wanted to know why highest.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Lowest because I talked about highest and lowest when I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: did that, because I was doing the show with my
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: guy Howard Bryant, who is a big movie guy. I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: am not a giant movie guy. He is a huge
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: movie guy. Yeah, And so I went and checked out
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: one battle after another because I was kind of.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Peeping the larger discourse.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Then I watched Highest to Lowest, but I watched it
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: after I watched High to Low because Howard had recommended that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I watched the kiroll Sowell High to Low the Highest Lowess.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, I've not seen how to Low?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, hey how the lowest Monster? You can get it
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: on Max or what what is the old people? The
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: old movie streaming JOYD. I can't remember, but it's yeah, yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: but I think that's the one. But I highly recommend
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: you check it out. Okay, and it's a very interesting
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: ju justtae position against Highest to Lowest. But that was
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: why I picked that, because I was like, hey, I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: want to see what happens. Will my audience respond to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: me talking about movies if I talk about them with
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: an actual, factual movie expert. One battle after another, don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: let any white people food, y'all. This ship was not
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it was It was not John Blaze. It was an
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: It was an entertaining it was If you treat it
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: as an entertaining action movie, it's fine. If you grew
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: up around any actual factual revolutionaries, you find yourself pointing
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: at the screen and being mad, you know, and just
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, man, like what are we positioning here?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And I admit, when you know that Paul Thomas Anderson
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is common law married to a black one woman, it
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: makes you ask a lot more questions about.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: A lot of day may not even on paper.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're on paper. Wow, I didn't know that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: But they got kids and yeah, yeah, that's what it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: like law. That's an Yeah, I don't think they on paper.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but I don't think they on paper.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: But it didn't make you be like, I bet you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: buy a Rudolph came home like so that's what you're like,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: huh you want me to be.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: It made me to need as much I love my
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Rudolf and I love her. It made me like, okay, Hollywood,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: you know like it because it was like, because you
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: you you come home to this, you have not.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Left this man? Yes, all right? And that's like this.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Film should be, you know, grounds for divorce. I this
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: this film should be grounds for divorce.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It made it made me wonder all kind of ship
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he'd be asking her to do.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, like that I got.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, is any of his fair problems? Yes, it is.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It kind of is now. I watch Centers, and I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: watched Centers at my house and I thought it was
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a cool way to spend an evening. I did not
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: think that I was watching the greatest movie that I
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: had ever seen. And that's okay, you know, like I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: just didn't. And that's that's the other part about the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: internet though. And then I do love something, you better
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: love it too.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's interesting, like I have not kept
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: up that much with all the films that have come out,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: but I'm telling you now, they gonna get that one
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: battle after another, a whole bunch of stuff, and we're
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: not gonna come back like we did with Crash, but
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we are going to have a huh what were we
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: thinking back then?
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Is this really?
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I famously like that's one of our
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: other biggest you know, YouTube videos, is me pretty much
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: hating one bat out for another. I walked out of
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the theater. I was screaming and yelling as I walked out.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: This is some bullshit. There's a bunch of other journalists there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: They were all looking at me, and I was like, yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I I know y'all like this wax shit
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: fuck y'all, you know, straight up and down.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: That's how I left the theater.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And I have streamed about it any opportunity and I don't.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: But I also as I walked out, I knew.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: That it was going to be the Oscar front Runner,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: and I knew that they'll never ever.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Look back and be like, know what we're we thinking
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: of the film because it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Is it is necessary for them to have this film
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: be you know what it is, and they needed to
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: win so that they can feel good about themselves and
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: think that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, again, Crash. It's not as inane is Crash to
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: be fair? And I like Crash. When I saw it, I.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, at the time, I didn't dislike it
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: at the Yeah, that's time.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I like racist jokes, and so that's why I like Crash.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: It's not so many great racist jokes that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and high sight.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe we were misguided, but well, well the.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Other part of it is, like times out we were
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm operating on the assumption that I'm a little bit
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: older than you, so you have more bid excuse.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm old, yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse, I like racist?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: When did it come?
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: So it got me?
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You know, they made a bunch of racist jokes, and yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: It came out, Crash came out in ninety six.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, what the fuck, there's something
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: else called crash, and said, O, six.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: Or six, I think I was grown.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: How was that, Howard?
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I had no excuses two thousand and four. O.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was still a teenager.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: As old as I thought.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess it's no excuse for me. And besides, you.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Know, no, no no, no, no, no, no no no,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you had excuses.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: You an excuses. I just got you should have been
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: a little more military, Howard. I don't know.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm about to say, Like like like
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: if you went to the white people's schools, perhaps you
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: would have been simply a touch more optimistic.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: But also the white people's schools they be hard than you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Boy, I had seen that that that turned you one
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: direction or another. Boy, gracious, yeah, I don't, I think,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: because I can't lie.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I just remember, I'll never get that don Cheetah line
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: when he talks about parking your cars on the lawne
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: and just I fell out in the theater.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: So I'm just you know, I'm terrible man.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: When they put the blunt, when the when the gun
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: shot blanks, I was like, oh you you you clever guys.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Thought of everything.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I would not have I would like to watch it again.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: But oh, your highest, the lowest, I couldn't do it. Okay, okay,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So this is the thing for me, the highest.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: The lowest.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, there's so much.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I did not find it to be nearly as terrible
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: as everybody else did, because I've been watching Spike Lee
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: movies for forty years.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: Yes, like it is.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, ain't this ain't the first.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just saying it did spike Lee things. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that rat battle at the end had y'all till you
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: know that that rat battle at the air for other
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: people was like for me in the second Matrix movie
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: where he reached up in her chest and restarted Our Heart.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: And I said, I never saw the third Matrix movie.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: I got up and left and I never watched. I
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: never heard the third one. Heard it was awful me
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: when it came out.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: The third one when he did that when he restarted.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: That was the second one. It was the second one.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: I pro didn't I see the third. The third one
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: could have had a motherfucking and that looked just like me.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: I would have no idea because I never saw it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But he because also the second one had when he
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: fought like ten of the ages.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: Smith's it was more, it was more. Yeah, it's like
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: I was really suspending disbelief for these people. And then
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: he reached up in her chest and jump started the heart.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: I said, no, I cannot.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And that's how people treated that rat battle at the end.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: It was it wasn't that for me. High those is like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: like you said, it's spike le it it's best of worse.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: But it was the music video at the end, when
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Shorty was singing for like fifteen minutes, it was asap Rocky.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: Telling themsel please kill me. You didn't do that.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know when you went back. Your little imagery
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: went away off the screen.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: But oh ship, I'm going got so he got so
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: charged up. Then they hit the roll camera but on
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: the other side of that, and that ain't even the
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: right camera. So let me TIXU.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I gotta ask you you know, and everyone has their
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: own thing to each their own.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Why did you think Sinners was just okay, this is
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: not the Internet attacking by the way, Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: It's not even though four for one.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: When when when all the were wolves broke out and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: broke out into song and dance?
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: Oh whatever they are?
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, in your oh my god, there you go,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: see there we go. You was you was already you
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: was already this close. It was already. I'm not jumping
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: on you. I'm not the Internet.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: You was supposed it was supposed to allow me to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: be facetious, right you was supposed to allow me to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: be decetious right there. But anyway, where they broke out
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: into song and dance, I was like, hey, man, that
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: ain't what I thought we were signing up for.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I was not here for the song and dance. Man,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I'm not for I didn't know it was a musical.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I thought it had music in it. I ain't know
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: it was a musical.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I thought it was like.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. I thought it was I thought it
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: was a good time. I don't I don't know what
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: more I need to give you. People like I like
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: watching it. Okay, it made for a good it made
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: you people, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you people. Yes, But no
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't. I don't know.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: It's hard to explain, like me to like affirm and negative.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Well, no, I'm not.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, sure, yeah, that's like like I.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Don't just that was that was how I felt. It
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: was a pretty it was a pretty good date, you
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like we enjoyed watching the movie.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: She felt the same way. For whatever it's worth, I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: was not alone.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't throw come with me like I
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: didn't feel like it was like, oh, I don't know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: You didn't feel anything trans transcended about it. You didn't
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: connect with the ancestors at any point?
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, no, there we go. No, I don't
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: really be talking to it. I don't really be talking
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: to them like that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I thought I thought.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I thought del Roy Lindo did a very good I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: thought dell Roy Lindo did it, did a very good
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: job in the movie. I thought his he was very good.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I thought Michael B. Jordan hit both his his characters.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: That one Little Mama fond like I thought, you know.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Moon Amos, that was good to me.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I think you talk about the new one. Uh, I
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: just want to see how it might have been both
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: think about it. There's a few little fine women, and
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: it was good.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: It was a good time. It was good.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, before we you know, deep digging this hole,
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: I felt like it was a setup, and no, I
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: just I.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Needed to know. But I do follow up questions. You've
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: been saying ship and I'm gonna follow it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: And I don't buy you follow it up. I just
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I just see what it's doing to you. I tried
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: to help you out of this hole. Did I let
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: it go?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I let you say your peace. I didn't go after
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: you no more.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to help because I was one common thing.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you I know, I gave you
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: a chance. I don't know if you mean I gave
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: you the book. I don't know if you had a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: chance to read it. But one common thing in Jimmy
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Hendrix and something in Centers that got me man like
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: as a DJ, as someone who studied black music, was
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: that idea you know that we and it kind of
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: solidified it for me because I've always thought of it
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: as genre being some bullshit and the only thing that
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: changes is technology and time. And but what it really
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: solidified for me is that we've always been making blues,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just what changes is time and technology.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: And we also kind of we'll do things like will
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: exhaust certain things that we do jazz, you know, and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Coltrane does everything he can't outs and everything he can,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: and so then we move on to things, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Hndreds pitch up the guitar, the electric guitar comes out,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: and he fucking exhausted, you know, and then we do this,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: and we do funk, we do.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: That, and now it's on the hip hop.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: And I've kind of gotten to this theory about like
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: what hip hop is the last form of black music.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: But that's a whole other subject. So but my question
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: was that didn't hit you in your chest when you
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: were watching that movie, Like, I know, you know what
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting as I hear you say that, Yeah,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I do not consume movies.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Deeply, I don't know what I'm saying.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: So, like he did say that you could put an
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: album in front of me as far as out and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: there are levels of discussion that I will get to.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So like, as I hear you say that, I'm like, yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I see all that, you know what I mean. But
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: like when I've turned on a movie, by and large,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just here for a good time, you know music,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not that way, yes, you know, so, like I
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: so the idea that that is the running theme of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the movie. I bet if I watched it again, it
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: would probably hit me in a different way and I'd
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, okay, you know, like I see what
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: it is that you're saying right now. But I was
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: cool with it just being a good time. I didn't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: require it to be more right now. I also admit
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that part of this might be that I found that
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the Internet was having a deep off right they were,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and I refuse to participate in that stuff. That's fair,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: But that's all me right, Like that is is I
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: can't we rap fans. You know what this is when
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you let some people's fans make you not fuck with
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: somebody because you just don't want to be associated with
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: those people.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's fully what I was doing.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm gonna go watch this again
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: and I might even call y'all or whatever.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: And we can holler by it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Because I think Coogler's I mean, I think Coogler's that
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: dude man on a number of levels. And I thought
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: it was visually, I thought a very good movie. I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: thought it looked excellent, Like I have all kinds of
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: positives that I could give about it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: But for me, in the way that I consume movies,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And there's some movies that I can't go like molecular
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: level with you, right, yeah, but this one, man, I don't.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: Want to say, nomin that color is what comes next.
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it a great deal.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: I do appreciate that you will be watching it again
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: and with a different lens this time perhaps, And I
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: will say, but may I didn't go in and is
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: thinking this was gonna be on some church stuff. Like
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I thought it was just a vampire movie. And that's
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: where it changed from because it didn't be in my chest.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: As Ben said, I went in there expecting on some
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: regular movie ship and it wasn't.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: It was way more than that.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: So I also know if that vampires are were wolves,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it ain't that different.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: You were fine, like you you were so close, like
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: just getting out of it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: I just we're gonna move on.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: But you were like you were you pulled yourself right
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: back in.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: See Y's that you thought it was the whole. I
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: thought it was the shade.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: You know, Ben is like you are fucking being up
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: because he just keeps disappearing every time I look down
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: his little image.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: You don't even know what's happening.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: All right, Look look, but MOONI you know, I do
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: want to understand. Like if we talked a lot about entertainment, right,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: we talked a lot about books and all this other stuff.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Are you do you read comics at all?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: So how I never really got into that space. Like
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: my best friend from growing up, he was a big
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: COmON guy.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: I think part of it is I was.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: Always terrible at drawing. Well, I think it's two things.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I was terrible at drawing, and I had a childhood
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: that did not involve spending a lot of time hanging
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: out with children. So with those people were reading comic books,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I was with my parents watching The Big Deal Larry
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: news Hour.
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: I was very well versed in the world.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been Yeah. I was definitely one of
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: those could you read Harper's I did not.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I did not.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Brother moozon it and like get that far. But I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: was at I was a sight to be seen at
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: the barbershop.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: Boy, I was.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: I was a mind blower in the barbershop. They couldn't
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: believe I existed in real life.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I had to tell my mom that Brother Movesome was
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: reading Harper's because my mom read Harper's, and so I
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: read Harper's. Harper's is fantastic, by the way, Like when
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Brother Moveson brought it up, I was like, yes, man,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: good magazine.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: But ya, Like, my brother and sister are much older
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: than me. My brother thirteen years olderan and my sister's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: ten years older than me. So I grew up like
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: connessort as the only child.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: But I grew up.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I went to school where my parents worked, which was
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like twenty something miles away from home, and so I
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: was going and hanging out at a college campus after school.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You know, So like I was, my childhood is much
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: different than most people's childhoods would be in terms of exposure,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I think would be the way to put it all.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, we were just before we do get out
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: of here. We were just speaking about the wire real quick.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And while I was looking this up, I mean, first
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: of all, I wanted to give a oh Man, just
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: a resting peace shout out to the actor who played
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Ziggi Zabaka.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he passed away.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: They're saying the cause of death is James Ransom, and
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: they're saying the cause of death is suicide. So I
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: did want to give a resting peace shout out to them.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Because while I was doing the research for this interview,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I found your and this is actually from before the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: series ended.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would redo that list. Okay, so I won't
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: do the whole list, but i'll that's like twenty years ago.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: I can't be help. I can't be hell responsible these things.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I do just want to read down your top five
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: because I do know about your long term hatred for.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Fuck that dude.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Ready.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: The funny thing is me and my best friend were
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: discussing interest yesterday, right and because right now I'm watching
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Hijack and I've realized, like I realized this through the years.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: As much I love it, but a man will take
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: a chet for anything. He does not care about the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: quality of the script.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: He just want to work.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I watched some movie he wait wait wait, wait, wait,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: just says so I'm clear, is your disdain for the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: character he played or Interests himself?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: No, it's the difference this But I'm just this is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the funny thing, right because before we get to this list,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: I was distressing this with my best friend and years
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: ago Interest came into a club I was each and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I tried to get her to DJ because he is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: the DJ, and he gave me the yeah whatever made
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: you know type thing, and my.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: Man was like, look, that man played an asshole way
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: too well mh to not be something of an asshole
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: and be trying to defend and be trying to defend
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: that ship. Like all I'm gonna say is this is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: this is.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Just me and my Yeah, they all do, they all
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: know this is this is this is what I realized,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: what I felt, how I felt like, what was for
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: real about it?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: You know, never in my life had.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I said to myself, well, hold on, we got to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: consider both sides on apartheid.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: Then I saw that.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: String of Mandela movie and I was like, well, hold on,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: let's hear these white people out.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: It just played yeah, he was in lor Walter Freedom
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: was yeah. And by the way, Stringer Mandela play straight.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Stringer Bell playing Nelson Mandela is up there with like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the present with Holly Berry to play her in the movie,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Like this doesn't match anybody, okay, whatever you right? Like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: like if that's the case, they need to have scenes
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: with Nelson Mandela be like swinging from a grappling hook
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: and just start like just start whooping the Africanta's asses
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: all over the place, like okay, cool.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, I just I gave. I wouldn't say
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I gave a part time to try, but I just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: couldn't just be assuming that Stringer Bell was right. But anyway,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: show you're in the right line of business.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you do fabulous as a comedy
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: writer as well.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I had had a comedy show for I know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but like, yeah, I need to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: have you go Holly Davids as lov you know what
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like holy but what what was you gonna say?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: But my top five I five recall I think I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: still like, okay, right, we're top five are Play Davis.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: I love Play Davis. I mean, how can you not
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: rest in peace? Rest and peace?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: I once saw him on the train brouh he was
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: with his family. My man had on a full denim suit,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: that's all. I'll never forget.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: Said on my jenim pants, you know, denim white shirt.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: And I I didn't do it, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: I sell bruh, you know so bad. But I held
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: together and let my man live.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: But you know, rest of peace I wish I had now,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: you know, because you know that man deserved the props
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: every day.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: But Klay Davis. Number four is bubbles. I love bubbles.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, how can you not? Again? Yeah, sincerity goes
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: a long way. Sah. You know my man loved the crack,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: you know, like he did not deny it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Uh, Lester Freeman and number three yo Lester Freeman. Like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: if I grew up to be Lester Freeman, it would
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: have been okay right. And Lester Freeman, by the way,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: is as a character a great testament to an axiom
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: that people do not recognize. You can't savor for him,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: he might you, you can't him just maybe. Ye. He
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: raided this same shorty though he shaved her immediately. He
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: was exactly what she needed. He swooped in like you
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: know and changed her life.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he could do it. Old head bike and safer.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: That's the thing. You're not gonna save her if y'all
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: did the same home rule class. But he got a chance,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: all right. That's why you look at us like that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: This is all y'all.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: You know what right? You know what? Right she was.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: She was literally on the pole, I mean straight up
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: on the pole. He gave her a dollhouse media tour
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: because she just needed she just needed to be loved.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: And now she at home painting doll houses. That's right.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Went to nursing school. They all say they going to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: nursing school. They don't never actually go.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: But she did.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: That's the frame, and you might have to raise him up,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: all right. Number two Bunny Colvin.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I loved Buddy in a very because again Buddy was
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: another one, the sincerity with a long way with Buddy Buddy.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: The thing I loved about Buddy as a character was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: you knew every word he said, he meant at every
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: single turn.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: Right, Hey, he say name it. I wouldn't have done that.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: I loved this little ass in jail. I hated him
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: in a way that.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable saying, considering that he was like thirteen.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't hate name it as much as I hate
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the dude who got rid of number one on the list.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: Uh little Canard.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Canard shouldn't feel this way about children, But I fuck
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Canard to his day. Fuck Cannard, and that is your
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: number one?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: Who is omar? The little was the illness? But no, no,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: you got me thinking now though, like now now Canard.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: When Michael had to beat up Canard, I hated how
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: much I enjoyed that.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Yo.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, hold up, I gotta stop because I don't know
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: if you know about it, because I'm all right, I've
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: seen this scene too many times.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: Michael starts hitting him. I know what you gonna talk about.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: I know what you're gonna says the voice of the background.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: Oh money as kid, Haha, I'm all right, guy in.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: The backgrounds or the Wire that are so good? Is
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: that what it was?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: It was just because that's the one that I didn't
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: all right for the listeners for people don't know The
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Wire the greatest show of all time, or one of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: them of all time Teachers. Two characters are both children,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and at one point one of the children they're teenagers.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Michael is beating on this other little boy, Canard in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: the middle of the street at night, and I mean
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: whipping his little ass like he's holding him and punching him.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: In the face.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: By the way, Canard is not a teenager, No, it's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: like nine the others are.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mikeel is a bid teenager, so he is
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: serving this little man. He's he's holding him at let
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: me see, holding him and punching him.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: One two three after the third one in my got heads.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mike is a boxer, a trained boxer, so
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: he's you know, lighting this to it up and it's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: one two three a voice from the background, yo's out look.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: At that little nigga in his ass beat.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Haha, and then heot some two more times and it
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: is like one of the funniest and just greatest moments
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: in anything.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: And I've often wondered was it just somebody in the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: background or was that in the script, like, oh no,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: I think somebody like the wire.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Those white men were really good at understanding how black
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: people talk, like like like I think of them an
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: incredible level of credit, like they're black people. That's always
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: how they sounded, right like they they always did it.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: But there was the other one.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Window boys tried to run name it off the corner.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: They shorted up that cocaine and went to fight David,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: and David was trying to fight that.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: Dude and had what hand covered his eyes and the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: other would try to punch.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh man, Like they nailed exactly what
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: kind of no fighting dude name it will be. I'm
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: just happy that somebody else knows about the look at
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: this little and it sounded like a grow the person. Yes,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: it's a grown man, and he left, ha ha.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: Like that, ha ha.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I've watched this show so many times that I knew
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: exactly you were, like, you probably don't know.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe it's kind for a podcast on the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: way Jones and DJ Benha means man, No, all right.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I'm down for that anytime. But I definitely need to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: be on the ninety six at some point.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I might have because right now I've
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: been doing it with a man Jason England, a man
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: DJ Widdy Spark. But I may throw me in an
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: episode seven, and if I do, I gotta highlight you o.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: The next episode is gonna be like ninety six. This
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: is the last kind of the last year of boom
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Back Rap in the sense that after that, it's like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: half the boom bapfers went all the way into scaring
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the girls music and the other half decided, well, maybe
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: we can make some money and make them dance. Right,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: But like ninety six is kind of the last year
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that that there's just a like stakes is high by
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Daylight sold for example, like you could just be in
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: that lane right there in rap It.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Kind of after ninety six it kind of ends.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: And then also is the last that's the last year
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: the West Coast was like really cracking. Ooh, it was
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: never really cracking, like them to Tupac Records. The West
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Side Connection record came out that year. We're gonna ignore
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: that Doctor Dre record that came.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: Out Wood that was a rash.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of like it kind of wraps up
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the West Coast thing, and so I may have one
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: a good wrap up to come after that, you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: because I think me and you in that same boat
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Houston dudes who did not exactly grow up on Houston music.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: Oh man, but you know, but still love it.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Like and and like I tell everybody, it's that Houston
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: dudes who grew up in the era when when music
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: sounded different and we were appreciative of everything. So it
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: was like because we bore, like when I got to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Howard in the nineties and people are like West Post,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like, it's shit jamming, you know.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm like in East Past and jamming and South
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: of Jamin and whatever I'm hearing out of the Midwest
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: is jamming, and it's just like being able. And so
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: that was a bonus for me because I could appreciate
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: all that when people still were like nothing on everything.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: So no, I'm down for it anytime.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of still laughing at Canag getting snuffed snuffed.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, money, I don't just say my other
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: favorite money is my And it goes back to the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Omar is when Canard does kill him, Like I'm watching
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: this on DVD, so I've already seen it, you know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: probably three times at this point. But it was like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: I'd been a few years and I rewound that ship. Bro,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting down there. It might have been the weed whatever,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: but I rewound it like, yo, you know, nah, that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: didn't just happen. If I just rewind and ship like.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna make it. The director's cut was gonna start.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: There's another ending.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if I just rewinding it, can is not gonna
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: shoot over. I don't think you should blame that on
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: the weed, brother, It was just desperation.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you started blaming that on the weed,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I gotta change my attitude about weed.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I have learned so much more about you but money
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: and these last I've ever known about you, And there's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: more to go, there's more to listen.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: We should do it a very bridged version, but I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: want to do We're gonna do rap with you, rapid fire.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Question to answer segment.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: As you ready, yep, centers won't come up.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: Favorite superhero movie of all time Dark Knight, hm, Star
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: Wars or Star Trek, Star Wars, Wait a minute, Star
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: Trek because it got Ohora in it?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Quite true? Shout out to stuff I will she just
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: wrote a new book.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: If you could walk in the room and have a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: theme song play, what would it be?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: Mm hm.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Oh such a difficult question.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh, I would say the Ishka Bible on the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: West Side Gun album is black thought name check me
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: in it?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Oh so it was a song with you in it?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: Okay? Yes, what is the rhyme?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Figly questionable period like Beaumani Joe on Comma, like The
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Secret Silent Investor. No, I can't remember exactly, but it's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: basically the idea was like like The Silent Investor, nobody
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: really knows right underrated contribution.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: M m okay, I got nervous when you started with
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: some questionable part that was well, yeah, it was.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: The show I was on that was called highly questionable trusting.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I had the same question at first, but that stuff,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: But that's the homie, so I'm assuming that it.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Was assuming it wasn't it. Okay, okay, okay, cool.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: All right, uh hmm, this is probably gonna be interesting.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: And what character's death hurts you the most in movie, TV, anything?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Oh Man playing out the whole four minutes of a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: change is gonna come before Malcolm Mexican gets snuffed, like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you know what's coming. Damn I forgot playing before that. Yeah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I mean had to cost a fortune too. Like that's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: the best use of music in the movie that I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: can think I have ever seen.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Because I remember like when he because I've read the book,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I know you don't not, but when he's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: slot when they do this, bye, yes, you don't have.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: The change of box to come and not the one
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I want it.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: All right, If you're gonna have any one superpower, what
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: would it be invisibility?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: M hm?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to be invisible?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Sir?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: You just got somewhat famous.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: I like to lay low. I'm a I'm a back like.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I like it to be a pleasant surprise when I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: pull up at the spot and i'd be lurking at
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the bag bait. You can think about any room you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: don't pulled up in that I was in. I'm over
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: there laying low.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: This is true.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: You do lurk. I will say that you enjoyed as
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: tall as you are, which is wild. You do lurk
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: and pop out.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, at the Toby and Nigway show, where you can
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: consider yourself famous at that show because I saw you
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: there and you were like just chilling in the back.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I was, I was chilling in the back, but I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: also did was hanging out backstage.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is that's right. I brought you with me.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the that's the that's the little bit
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: of an in between. Well, he's a great example. When
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I first met him, I was famous.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: That he was not cool, you know, your indeed right
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: when I because when I met him, it was th
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: reef and you know, like he was, you know, like
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: when we met him, it was like, okay, you know
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: we're going Toby anick way and most people have said
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: that would be like who the fuck did you go?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: See?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: And now you know it's a bit different. That's no change.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: He went from making a song about one hundred grand
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: I think to tell you now, yes, correct, I'm still
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: doing those hundergrands. That's still my team talk. Yes, that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: still sounds great to me. Was a great show too,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: oh man.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, fantastic love Toby.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Also, just before we do get out here, but Mionni,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: because you were talking about how long you've been in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: the game and everything, and I just want to give
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: you your props. I know we don't often do this
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: and tell people this, but I remember when you first
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  Speaker 3: popped up on Around the Horn, you know, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh ship, you know, new cat on here
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  Speaker 3: buck and yeah, you know, basically you know, I came
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  Speaker 3: on as a nigga, you know, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is a smart ass nigga, you know. And I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even know you were from Houston at the time.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, you just came on with that energy
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  Speaker 3: where and I already loved the show, Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: You know it was already the show, but you brought
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  Speaker 3: it and you continue to bring it. And really, what
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  Speaker 3: is really great about you for me is like you're
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  Speaker 3: like someone like young Giru, who I've known since before
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  Speaker 3: grew was, you know, when he was just Jamie ed Howard,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and now he's young group And I haven't
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  Speaker 3: known you as long. You know, you were already on
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  Speaker 3: the way up, but I've seen you grow into you know,
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  Speaker 3: quite the superstar, and you've always remained the same person.
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciate that greatly, man, And I tell people
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  Speaker 1: around the whole. I don't know if you ever heard
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  Speaker 1: of each other story on that, because like, I worked
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  Speaker 1: for ESPN as a writer for ESPN dot com from
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: two thousand and six through two thousand and seven, and
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  Speaker 1: they did not renew my contract, which is in effect
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: getting fired. Like you know, it's not exactly the same,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: but it's up there and so right right, And so
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  Speaker 1: I had a couple of years where I like I
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  Speaker 1: worked local radio and I was working satellite radio, and
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  Speaker 1: I was getting my situation back together. And I decided
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  Speaker 1: at that point, like I had my chance at the show,
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  Speaker 1: I was never going to get back. So I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: trying to get back, you know what I mean. Like
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm doing the stuff that I do right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I was. I found my own voice in what
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  Speaker 1: I was doing. And I'd always said that if ESPN
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: called me then and I took a job there, because
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: around the Horn I was just a freelancer. But I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: always said that if it's a good job there, that
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: they were going to have to take me, Like I
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: needed to build myself up to a point where they
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: were not asking me to do what they do, they
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  Speaker 1: were going to ask me to do what I do.
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  Speaker 1: And so I remember the first time I did around
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  Speaker 1: the Horn, I had two questions, I mean a question
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: to asked myself, and I said, I could either do
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: this hoping that they called me back, or I could
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: do this as if they're never going to call me back,
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  Speaker 1: so we might as well just do it. So I
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  Speaker 1: really went on and was like, yo, we're doing this
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: for the Hallmies and the chalynd Temple, like this was
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  Speaker 1: if I'm only on here. One time I am going
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  Speaker 1: to have a ball doing this this one time, and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: then they call me for the second time and they
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: wanted me to keep doing it like I had done
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: it the first time, and I just kept on doing it,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, like I wasn't It wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: an intentional I'm going like I'm I'm.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm doing it now.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, this is what I do now,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do what I do and it
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  Speaker 1: worked and it propelled everything that I.
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  Speaker 5: Got to do after that. So I appreciate you saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I did it, it really was like I
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  Speaker 1: made a video with me doing like a hype video,
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  Speaker 1: and I had all these different people called in and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Don King even did like a clip for my video
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  Speaker 1: like getting it going.
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  Speaker 5: Like I was really the man of the people at
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: the time.
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  Speaker 1: And so I love looking back on that and hearing
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  Speaker 1: people say that because that for me, what you described
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: was very important to me because I was just like
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it like this, I'm better to
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  Speaker 1: work and seemingly it.
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  Speaker 3: Did no definitely, Bru And I you know, I congratulate
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  Speaker 3: you and thank you, because, like I said, I was
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: sitting home watching and I'd already loved the show.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: Like to me, Tony is like one of.
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  Speaker 3: The greatest like host you know, ever, like I wish
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: you would like, don't want and do like I mean,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Late Night doesn't exist in the same way anymore. But
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  Speaker 3: I always saw him as like a David Letterman type
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: where he could talk to anyone. I just think he's
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  Speaker 3: fucking genius and I just love that he's also you know,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: a very human person, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, he's one of the greatest people I've ever met.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it.
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  Speaker 3: But like I said, when you came on and you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: brought that energy, you brought that reeal, you brought that blackness,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: and I mean you came on there you know, Mini Jones,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: you know, and it was just like this is who
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I am and.
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  Speaker 5: By a tune day, Yeah, that's right fully. Appreciate you
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  Speaker 5: for that, man.
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  Speaker 6: No, thank you many well.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the day got an end.
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  Speaker 2: For MONI, it's been.
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  Speaker 5: Amazing and now we here and and it was over.
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  Speaker 4: No but for real dope but money, No, it's been
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: an amazing time with you. Definitely appreciate you taking the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: time to you know, chop it up with us.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Please let everybody know where they could find you.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, all the work that you've done, all the stuff
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: that you did to earn your accolades, and anything else
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: coming up next, you want us here.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it the right time with Bomani Jones, you
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: do this four times a week. Available will all fine
• 1:20:06
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• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: look you go there. You find me on YouTube. I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: think that's where the money at go. Check us out
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: there and you'll find the rest from there.
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