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The Kenny Report | 6 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on this Easter Monday tonight. The
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  Speaker 3: incredible mission to rescue a US fighter pilot shot down
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  Speaker 3: behind enemy lines in Iran. Speculation about ceasefire talks as
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  Speaker 3: President Donald Trump draws another line in the sand for Iran.
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  Speaker 3: The price pain at the petrol bowser is set to
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  Speaker 3: continue regardless. I'll look at our energy vulnerability and one
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  Speaker 3: nation surging right around the country, creating a political crisis
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  Speaker 3: for the coalition. I'll cross to Sophie Ellsworth in the
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  Speaker 3: UK and with the panel we'll look at the US
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  Speaker 3: Olympic Star dazzling the stall gift.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you've had a happy Easter with family and friends.
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  Speaker 3: Many families will still be on the road as we speak,
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  Speaker 3: heading home from a weekend away. Some of you will
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  Speaker 3: be listening on Sky News Radio make that trip, so
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  Speaker 3: thanks for tuning in and safe travels. The good news
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  Speaker 3: is that there was plenty of fuel around for most
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  Speaker 3: people to travel over Easter. We had to pay through
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  Speaker 3: the nose, of course, but at least supplies have been okay.
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  Speaker 3: Prices have steadied after the excise cut last week, but
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  Speaker 3: people are paying more than two dollars twenty five a
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  Speaker 3: leader for unleaded petrol and still well over three dollars
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  Speaker 3: for diesel. The federal Climate and Energy Minister has given
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  Speaker 3: an update on fuel distribution around the country.
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  Speaker 5: I am pleased to say that the number of service
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  Speaker 5: stations over Easter with at petrol fell, which is quite
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  Speaker 5: something given so many people were moving around and needing
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  Speaker 5: fuel and diesels.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty sad state of affairs, isn't it when the government's
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  Speaker 3: excited that there are fewer petrol stations without fuel than
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  Speaker 3: there were a couple of days beforehand. But that's the
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  Speaker 3: mess we're living in at the moment. Even if the
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  Speaker 3: war in the Middle East ended tomorrow, it's expected that
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  Speaker 3: higher prices would be with The higher prices would be
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  Speaker 3: with us.
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  Speaker 4: For many weeks, if not months, to come.
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  Speaker 3: I'll have more on fuel prices later, and I'll also
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  Speaker 3: talk to an expert about analysis of what we need
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  Speaker 3: to do in this country to make sure that we're
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  Speaker 3: not exposed like this ever. Again, let's have a look
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  Speaker 3: at the war in the Middle East. Donald Trump declared
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  Speaker 3: last week. As you know that there are only weeks
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  Speaker 3: to go in the conflicts, demanding that Irans sou for peace,
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  Speaker 3: and overnight he's issued another ultimatum.
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  Speaker 6: As the US and Israel continue attacks on Iran, President
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump says the worst could.
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  Speaker 2: Be yet to come.
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  Speaker 6: The President posted an ultimatum on truth social Sunday, giving
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  Speaker 6: a Ryan until Tuesday to open up the straight of
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  Speaker 6: war moves, a critical channel for the world's oil to
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  Speaker 6: pass through or risk increased attacks on its power plants
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  Speaker 6: and bridges, while President Trump says the Rhin will be
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  Speaker 6: living in hell.
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  Speaker 2: If they do not comply.
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  Speaker 6: In a phone call with Fox News on Sunday, the
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  Speaker 6: President says he expects a deal to be made by Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how about Trump open the effing strait, he said.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Unconfirmed reports suggests that the US and Iran are close
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  Speaker 3: to agreeing on a forty five day ceasefire. But while
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  Speaker 3: this speculation continues, so does the war. And when Iranian
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  Speaker 3: military shot down US aircraft in southern Iran two days ago,
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  Speaker 3: it provided a morale boost for the Islamist theocracy. The
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  Speaker 3: American military managed to rescue one pilot straight away, but
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  Speaker 3: his co pilot, the weapons specialist on the F fifteen fighter,
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  Speaker 3: was left behind. That is until an incredible mission that
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  Speaker 3: successfully found and evacuated the m and, known only as
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  Speaker 3: Dude forty four.
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  Speaker 4: He is ABC America, the.
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  Speaker 7: US launching the extraordinary operation moments after two crew members
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  Speaker 7: on board. They are at fifteen s Dreich Eagle was
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  Speaker 7: shot down over western Iran, the Pentagon saturating the area
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  Speaker 7: with assets warplanes, satellites, drones, and helicopters. One m and rescued,
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  Speaker 7: but in the process around shooting down an A ten
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  Speaker 7: Warthog that pilot safely ejected and was also rescued. Combat
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  Speaker 7: teams scouring the terrain for the missing weapons Officer C
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  Speaker 7: one thirty s seen with two Blackhawks those helicopters coming
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  Speaker 7: under fire.
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  Speaker 3: III.
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  Speaker 7: According to a senior US official, the CIA orchestrated a
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  Speaker 7: deception campaign, spreading word inside Iran that US forces had
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  Speaker 7: already found him and were preparing to move him out
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  Speaker 7: of the country, the rescue mission extending into the second day,
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  Speaker 7: the president saying they were monitoring his location twenty four
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  Speaker 7: hours a day, meticulously planning his rescue. Late yesterday, elite
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  Speaker 7: special Operations forces going in, reaching the mountainous terrain using
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  Speaker 7: highly adaptable m H six Little Bird helicopters and MC
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  Speaker 7: one thirty JS two aircraft involved in that mission getting
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  Speaker 7: stuck at a location, forcing the the troops to deliberately
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  Speaker 7: destroy and disable the aircraft.
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  Speaker 4: Just amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen countless examples over the years of hostage trauma
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  Speaker 3: inflicted by Iran. So Dude forty four was in a
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  Speaker 3: dire predicament until his colleagues retrieved him. Incredible technology, clever
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  Speaker 3: tactics and straight up human bravery got the job done.
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  Speaker 4: Let's hope this war can be brought to an end
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  Speaker 4: as quickly as possible.
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  Speaker 3: One Nation continues to upend politics in this country. After
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  Speaker 3: thirty years. It's become something of an overnight success, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: The Australian newspaper has published news poll analysis today that
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  Speaker 3: shows Pauline Hanson's outfit surging in every state. One Nation
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  Speaker 3: is polling a primary vote of twenty seven percent in
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales, up thirteen points from last year. In
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  Speaker 3: Victoria there are up ten points to twenty one percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's just one point behind the Coalition. In all the
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  Speaker 3: other mainland states, one Nation is polling higher than the Coalition,
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  Speaker 3: and in Queensland they're ahead of both Labor and the coalition.
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  Speaker 3: This is an extraordinary situation and makes it extremely difficult
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  Speaker 3: for the coalition to get into winnable positions. Right have said,
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  Speaker 3: the politicians are now stuck talking about what it all means.
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  Speaker 8: People are angry. They're angry because they've got a federal
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  Speaker 8: government that's failed them. We've got to be honest. Apart
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  Speaker 8: from the National Party policies. After the last election, the
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  Speaker 8: coalitions had none. So we've left a space for Pauling
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  Speaker 8: Hanson to walk in, and she's a professional politician of
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  Speaker 8: over thirty years experience. Of course she was going to
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  Speaker 8: take up that space.
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  Speaker 3: This is symptomatic of what we're seeing and as a
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  Speaker 3: result of this cost of living crisis, people are angry
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  Speaker 3: at the government. They're angry at the Prime Minister, but
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  Speaker 3: they're also angry at the coalition.
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  Speaker 9: Because of the old adage disunity is death.
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  Speaker 3: It's no good talking about that sort of stuff getting
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  Speaker 3: sucked into commentary and self analysis. The coalition has to
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  Speaker 3: start taking a stand on key issues. One nation's star recruit,
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  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce, is happy to cast himself and his new
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  Speaker 3: party as the political outsiders.
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  Speaker 10: They think of this sort of game that's been played
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  Speaker 10: where we got the Liberal Party and the Coalition and
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  Speaker 10: the Labor and magic will happen if you change one
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  Speaker 10: to the other, and it all get better and the
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  Speaker 10: cost of living will be fixed and houses prices will
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  Speaker 10: come down, and it just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The trouble is that One Nation shows no sign of
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  Speaker 3: being able to fix any of this, except by sending a.
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  Speaker 4: Message to the major parties.
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  Speaker 3: The main beneficiary of the One Nation surge, of course,
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  Speaker 3: is labor. The national numbers show labor still above thirty
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  Speaker 3: percent and helped out by twelve percent for the Greens,
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  Speaker 3: of course, whereas One Nation is now polling twenty five
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  Speaker 3: five percent one quarter of all first preference votes across
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  Speaker 3: the country, pushing the Coalition down to just twenty percent,
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  Speaker 3: or only one in five voters, only one in every
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  Speaker 3: five voters.
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  Speaker 4: Now. While the Pharaoh by.
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  Speaker 3: Election in May will be interesting enough, the real test
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  Speaker 3: will be the Victorian state election in November, where the
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  Speaker 3: horrible prospect could be that a groundswell for One Nation
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  Speaker 3: could help keep Victoria's socialist left labor government in power.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Victoria now and catch up with Zoe Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 3: who is the Shadow Assistant Minister for Employment and Industrial Relations.
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  Speaker 4: Happy Easter to you, zoeh. You're good to talk to you.
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  Speaker 3: Not a when you think about the renewal and promise
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  Speaker 3: of Easter. There's not a lot of that around at
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  Speaker 3: the moment for the coalition is there with these one
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  Speaker 3: nation numbers showing that you're in all sorts of strife
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  Speaker 3: and you must be fearing that Victorian state election come November.
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  Speaker 12: Interestingly, Chris, I've actually got my own little mini Victorian
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  Speaker 12: state election going on in my home seat at the moment.
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  Speaker 12: The state seat of Nepean currently has a by election on.
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  Speaker 12: We've got a Liberal candidate, a One Nation candidate, a
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  Speaker 12: Teal candidate, Greens. I think that could be it at
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  Speaker 12: the moment. I know a libertarian as well. Sorry, so
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  Speaker 12: it's a full spectrum. But for labor of course, who
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  Speaker 12: don't want to have any judgment passed on them at
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  Speaker 12: the moment for good reason. May I say there's a
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  Speaker 12: question of fifteen billion dollars wasted on the Big Bill
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  Speaker 12: project that may have gone to a CFMAU dividend, or
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  Speaker 12: to corruption or to bikis. We're not quite sure what,
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  Speaker 12: but certainly there's plenty of concern there that public money
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  Speaker 12: has been wasted. So Labor doesn't want judgment at this
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  Speaker 12: point in time, fearing what people might be saying to
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  Speaker 12: them about what they need to do to provide a
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  Speaker 12: better offering to Victorians. And so obviously the attention is
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  Speaker 12: on what those particular parties and groups can promise to
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  Speaker 12: the people of Napent. But it's interesting to me that
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  Speaker 12: some of that you do better vote, that cry to
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  Speaker 12: all of us, my side, the Labour side, all of
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  Speaker 12: us to do better. To give you one example, there's
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  Speaker 12: a cafe in Rye in my electorate which had a
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  Speaker 12: teal sign in its window at the federal election, and
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  Speaker 12: a couple of weeks ago had a one nation one.
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  Speaker 12: So I take from that a desperation that we do
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  Speaker 12: a bloody better job.
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  Speaker 13: And that's what we're trying to do.
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  Speaker 12: In addition to my shadow industry relations responsibilities, I sit
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  Speaker 12: on the Policy Development Committee with Simon Kennedy and we
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  Speaker 12: are peddling hard under the water to make sure we
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  Speaker 12: have the best value proposition to put forward at the
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  Speaker 12: next election.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pedling under the water is not going to cut
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  Speaker 3: it now, though, is that you need to get some
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  Speaker 3: policies out there. You need to be fighting hard for
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  Speaker 3: these policies, having the arguments about policies, not the introspection
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  Speaker 3: about what's gone wrong.
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  Speaker 12: Totally agree, right, So there's a ton of that's going
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  Speaker 12: on with incremental DELIVERABLEOKS. It's not all just about twenty
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  Speaker 12: twenty eight. We've obviously got a budget and reply in
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  Speaker 12: a few weeks time when what appears to be a
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  Speaker 12: rapidly rewritten budget gets delivered by Jim Chalmers and then
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  Speaker 12: Angers gets to stand up and talk about his priorities,
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  Speaker 12: his plans for Australia, and that will be the first
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  Speaker 12: suite of policies being brought forward. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 12: of work going on. We've got task courses across every
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  Speaker 12: single area of the Australian economy and that's where our
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  Speaker 12: focus has to be on economic management and on trying
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  Speaker 12: to do something to relieve the cost of living pressures.
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  Speaker 12: As I just drove up here from the morning, convidential
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  Speaker 12: now diesels at three dollars ten are later. Already families
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  Speaker 12: are doing it tough. There were almost no cars on
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  Speaker 12: the road as I came up to the city. It's
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  Speaker 12: east Monday. What does that tell you people didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 12: go away. People haven't been able to put their hands
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  Speaker 12: in their pocket and go down to the beach or
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  Speaker 12: go and see friends into state. They're staying home because
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  Speaker 12: they haven't got trust in the system that they'll be
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  Speaker 12: able to afford or find few for the way back.
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  Speaker 4: Let me just pick your brains on another couple of issues.
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  Speaker 3: You have a lot of experience in foreign affairs and
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  Speaker 3: trade from your life before politics. What is your sense
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  Speaker 3: of what's unfolding in the Middle East that these increasingly
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  Speaker 3: strong lines in the sand being drawn drawn by Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 3: Are we close to a ceasefire there? Or is he,
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  Speaker 3: in his words, going to rain down hell on Iran.
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  Speaker 12: Look, I don't think we have any certainty about what's
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  Speaker 12: going on there, and I don't want to put too
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  Speaker 12: much store on I think what is now the third deadline?
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  Speaker 12: It may well be missed again. What I do know
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  Speaker 12: is that as a country, we have a strong interest
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  Speaker 12: in the Straits of Hormus being opened again and that
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  Speaker 12: oil and gas being able to get to a straight out.
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  Speaker 12: My understanding is the Uranians are letting what am I
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  Speaker 12: called their friendly so China, Pakistan and others get oil
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  Speaker 12: through that straight, but not of Western allies as we
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  Speaker 12: might think of ourselves. So we must fix that otherwise,
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  Speaker 12: this crush on the Australian economy. You know, you had
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  Speaker 12: Sam Beryl on the telly a few minutes ago talking
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  Speaker 12: about what this means for you. You rea fertilizer, crops, food
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  Speaker 12: on the table in this country within three to six months.
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  Speaker 12: So we must lean in and do what we can
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  Speaker 12: to get that straight open. A ceasefile would be good,
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  Speaker 12: but I'm not sure it's predictable at this point in time.
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  Speaker 12: And obviously there've been very dramatic scenes I've night with
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  Speaker 12: extraordinary rescuing of that dude forty four.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I just want to get you also on
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  Speaker 4: the ndis.
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  Speaker 3: This is a massive problem for this country, the growing
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  Speaker 3: expense of the NDIES. Here's Chris Bowen talking about it today.
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  Speaker 5: Minister mart Butler's been doing a great job getting the
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  Speaker 5: growth in spending down from an unsustainable rate to a
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  Speaker 5: more sustainable rate. But he's also been clearly as more
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  Speaker 5: to do with the States that work is continuing and
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  Speaker 5: no doubt they'll be budget updates.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they keep telling us that work is continuing, but
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  Speaker 3: the cost of the scheme is growing exponentially. We know
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  Speaker 3: it's being roarted. How can they bring it under control?
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  Speaker 12: Look, everyone's got a story about routing now, right, So
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  Speaker 12: it's a blind Freddy situation. Bowen says, we've got a problem.
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  Speaker 12: Mark Butler himself said the systems out of control. Seven
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  Speaker 12: hundred and forty thousand people are on it. Something like
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  Speaker 12: sixteen percent of young boys are on the NDIS. Sixteen
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  Speaker 12: percent of young boys between five and seven are not disabled.
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  Speaker 12: The system was designed to deal with disability, and it
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  Speaker 12: is now being used for many other things and frankly
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  Speaker 12: pushing spending for what were the traditional parts of care,
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  Speaker 12: whether that be education or sort of health services. The
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  Speaker 12: NDIAS has become the panacea for everything. It sounds like
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  Speaker 12: the government might be trying to do something in this budget.
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  Speaker 12: They have our support in trying to do that, but
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  Speaker 12: they must do it in a way that consults with
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  Speaker 12: people and brings them on the journey. The fear in
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  Speaker 12: families when this many families NDIS recipients, of course, there's
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  Speaker 12: a natural fear about what's going to happen and whether
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  Speaker 12: it's going to happen in a knee jerk fashion. So
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  Speaker 12: it must be done with proper planning, grandfathering, transparency and
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  Speaker 12: advice to families so that they can make alternative arrangements.
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  Speaker 13: If they can.
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  Speaker 3: Zoey mackenzie, thanks for making time for us on your
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  Speaker 3: Easter Monday.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks veryz Zoey McKenzie. They're joining us from Melbourne now.
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  Speaker 3: Three and a half percent of Australia's service stations don't
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  Speaker 3: have a drop of diesel at the moment. New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales is the hardest hit, with one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 3: two service stations running drives. Despite all that, the Energy
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  Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bowen was seeing a lot of him tonight,
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  Speaker 3: he's trying to maintain an optimistic tone.
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  Speaker 14: Have a look.
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  Speaker 5: We have secured contracted legally binding supply well into May now.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, as I've always said, we're not going
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  Speaker 5: to overpromise in terms of months ahead. There will be
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  Speaker 5: challenges and concerns which will just continue to work through.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go to Peter Curie from the r AM. Good
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  Speaker 4: to talk to you again, Peter.
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  Speaker 3: First up, just over Easter, a lot of demand obviously
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  Speaker 3: people travel. Do you think people have been traveling as
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  Speaker 3: per normal because the availability is perhaps better than the
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  Speaker 3: people had hoped for a couple of weeks ago, or
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  Speaker 3: have you seen something of a tailman in the amount
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  Speaker 3: of travel being done across the country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 15: We were cautiously optimistic that with a bit of good
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  Speaker 15: news or some sort of census security, that.
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  Speaker 2: Australians would travel.
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  Speaker 16: We expected some to cancel then our may.
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  Speaker 15: Own's fifty odd parts and resorts on the east and
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  Speaker 15: seabord of Australia, and that's exactly what we saw. Most
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  Speaker 15: of our popular parks had no capacity, at least for
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  Speaker 15: that critical easter period that we're in now. There were
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  Speaker 15: some cancelations, some people shortened their trip, stayed not as
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  Speaker 15: many nights, some booked closer to home, But overwhelmingly we
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  Speaker 15: still saw traffic on the roads. We saw Australians going
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  Speaker 15: out in regional areas, the ones who could afforded, of course,
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  Speaker 15: and spending some money in those regional communities, which is
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  Speaker 15: what we wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Them to do.
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  Speaker 15: We want people to be responsible with their fuel, but
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  Speaker 15: that doesn't necessarily mean giving up on spending a bit
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  Speaker 15: of time with the family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to say from my little survey, my
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  Speaker 3: little dawned down to the south coast and back up
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  Speaker 3: the Cydney This morning it looked pretty busy and obviously
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  Speaker 3: it's costing everyone a lot extra, but I think there
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  Speaker 3: was at least confidence that people could get the fuel
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  Speaker 3: the head off with a full tank and be able
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  Speaker 3: to get home. Tell us about prices, are you happy
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  Speaker 3: that the exercise cut has been passed through or do
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  Speaker 3: you think there's still still some more more of that
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  Speaker 3: cost you get to flow through to consumers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we think there's more to come for two reasons.
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  Speaker 15: On the unleaded side of things, we think there's definitely
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  Speaker 15: more to come because while there have been cuts of
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  Speaker 15: twenty odd cents leader, the full twenty six hasn't been
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  Speaker 15: passed on. And we also know that leading into the
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  Speaker 15: long weekend wholesale the terminal gay price of the wholesale
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  Speaker 15: price run leaded also fell a of sense, so that
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  Speaker 15: too needs to be passed on. We don't want that
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  Speaker 15: being a substitute for the other, so it's important that
• 18:06
  Speaker 15: those unleaded prices continue to passed on. We think there
• 18:09
  Speaker 15: are still falls there with diesel. Unfortunately it's the other
• 18:12
  Speaker 15: way around as well. It's not going to hopefully go
• 18:15
  Speaker 15: up as high as it otherwise would have because diesel
• 18:18
  Speaker 15: prices globally have just been skyrocketing again. Waiting for the
• 18:23
  Speaker 15: long weekend trade to the next this week's trade to
• 18:26
  Speaker 15: commence after the long weekend to get a proper sense
• 18:28
  Speaker 15: of where we're going to be with diesel, but we're
• 18:30
  Speaker 15: not optimistic with diesel prices. The average price of diesel
• 18:34
  Speaker 15: right now across the country is still well over three
• 18:36
  Speaker 15: dollars a lead of the wholesale price just below it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 15: So whatever cuts to the excise that was introduced to
• 18:41
  Speaker 15: diesel has just pretty much been eaten up by the
• 18:45
  Speaker 15: terminal gate price.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Wholesale price going up just on diesel.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Of course, you're primarily consume with your members who are
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: mainly motorists as I understand it, not the consumers rather
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: than the businesses and industry. Just wondering whether you can
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: tell us what your thoughts are about supplies for up up.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: We've lost Peter, We've lost Peter. I'm sorry.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: What we'll do then is we'll go to a break
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: because we've got plenty more coming up.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: So Peter cry we just lost that connection to him.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But after the break, we're going to talk about the
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: price paint at the petrol bowser.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: How this is going to continue.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: But we're also going to talk about the energy security
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: issues in this country.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: How do we fix them in the medium to long term.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Don't go away.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, more on the energy debate and the war in
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the Middle East, of course, has shown how exposed we
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: are despite how abundance of energy resources. The Page Research
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Center has put together a new report all at sea
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: fuel war and Australia's Achilles heel and their CEO, Jared
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Holland joins me now, Jared, thanks for joining us. So
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: this is a very very timely report. Indeed, the let's
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: just go through some of the key findings and recommendations
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: from it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, the.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: First point, of course, is that you just explained where
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: everybody how exposed and vulnerable Australia is. Despite having massive
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: energy resources, we put ourselves on the end of a
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: global supply chain when it comes to fuels for all
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: our petrol and diesel needs.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 17: This report was actually a year in the making and
• 20:20
  Speaker 17: we had no idea when we set out just how
• 20:22
  Speaker 17: timely it would be when it came time to release.
• 20:24
  Speaker 17: But Australia has had a glaring fuel in security issue
• 20:27
  Speaker 17: for years going on decades now, and the simple fact
• 20:30
  Speaker 17: is that we import over ninety five percent of our
• 20:33
  Speaker 17: liquid fuels now. Our liquid fuels are essential to keeping
• 20:37
  Speaker 17: this country running, particularly diesel. It drives our freights, our agriculture,
• 20:41
  Speaker 17: our mining. We need jet fuel for our planes. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 17: once that liquid fuel drives up, Australia stops. Now, the
• 20:47
  Speaker 17: argument that we were making and set out on this
• 20:49
  Speaker 17: piece of working year ago was that there is nothing
• 20:51
  Speaker 17: more vulnerable than a ship in war, and we put
• 20:54
  Speaker 17: in to ample examples around the world of where once
• 20:57
  Speaker 17: war has kicked off in a region, that the shipping
• 20:59
  Speaker 17: has stop, and that should war come to our own region,
• 21:02
  Speaker 17: which is the worst case scenario we should be preparing for,
• 21:05
  Speaker 17: Australia would be completely crippled and brought to its knees.
• 21:08
  Speaker 17: And of course we have on the other side of
• 21:09
  Speaker 17: the world at the moment, further up the supply chain,
• 21:12
  Speaker 17: a war that has closed off the stradah homs that's
• 21:14
  Speaker 17: stopping that crude getting to our refineries, and we're seeing
• 21:17
  Speaker 17: the pain Australians are already feeling and it's going to
• 21:20
  Speaker 17: get worse. But should this be in our own region,
• 21:22
  Speaker 17: the results would be absolutely disastrous.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Well, of course, it's just extraordinary that we would live
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: ourselves in such a vulnerable position. Of course, we're supposed
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to have ninety days of reserves. We have about a
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: third of that, and everybody can see both in price
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and supply terms, how vulnerable we are just with this
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: trouble in the Middle East at the moment.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: If there was a war in our region, we would.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Have shipping lanes closed off in the South China Sea,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: probably in the Malacca Straits. I mean, Australia would be
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: isolated from our fuel supplies. We would be on our
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: own effectively, wouldn't we absolutely?
• 21:58
  Speaker 17: And thirty days I don't think there's any agreement that
• 22:00
  Speaker 17: that is nowhere near enough reserves to have in a country.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: But the point we really wanted to.
• 22:05
  Speaker 17: Stress is reserves are a bridge to get your supply
• 22:09
  Speaker 17: back online. And so if we don't have any domestic
• 22:12
  Speaker 17: production in country, whether you have thirty days, sixty days,
• 22:15
  Speaker 17: ninety days, that simply isn't enough. Should the conflict be
• 22:19
  Speaker 17: in our own region, we have the war in the
• 22:21
  Speaker 17: Ukraine that is still rumbling on many years on. Now,
• 22:24
  Speaker 17: you've still got conflict in Palestine. Who knows how long
• 22:27
  Speaker 17: this conflict is going to take. In Iran, to only
• 22:30
  Speaker 17: have sixty or ninety days just means that your adversary
• 22:33
  Speaker 17: waits you out. And as we've seen in the Middle East,
• 22:35
  Speaker 17: we've got the strongest military power the world has ever
• 22:38
  Speaker 17: seen in the US, you've got the strongest power in
• 22:40
  Speaker 17: the region in Israel, completely held hostage in that strait
• 22:43
  Speaker 17: because ships are vulnerable, drones are cheap, missiles are cheap,
• 22:48
  Speaker 17: the threat of mining submarines. Once these threats come out,
• 22:51
  Speaker 17: you just do not have operators. We're willing to take
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: that risk. But Australia doesn't have to be in this position.
• 22:57
  Speaker 17: We have everything we need in this country to have
• 23:00
  Speaker 17: our fully fledged domestic supply chain. As recently as twenty ten,
• 23:04
  Speaker 17: around fifty percent of our liquid fuel was produced in country.
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: This has been a political choice and a lack of
• 23:10
  Speaker 17: seriousness taken by our leaders and it actually could change
• 23:13
  Speaker 17: and we need to get on with that as soon
• 23:15
  Speaker 17: as possible.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you only have to go back a few
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: decades when most of the refining was done in this country, right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: But then we were relying for most of that crude
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: oil to come in to be refined in Australia.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't we go the next step?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Shouldn't we actually be refining or producing fuels here where
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we can supply the raw materials as well?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And I suppose that. So the question is twofold.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Could we be exploiting more oil ourselves, Could we actually
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: be drilling and getting more oil here and refining it
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: in Australia, or could we be looking at these other
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: methods where you can produce diesel, for instance, from coal.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So it's yes to both.
• 23:54
  Speaker 17: So our historic deposits and known resources in this country
• 23:57
  Speaker 17: are a lighter condensate tilted towards producing petrol.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Now, this was when we made these discoveries in the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: sixties and seventies. Most of our.
• 24:05
  Speaker 17: Refineries were built around that lighter condensate and we used
• 24:09
  Speaker 17: a lot of petrol back then, so that worked really
• 24:10
  Speaker 17: well for us as a country. But as we've moved
• 24:12
  Speaker 17: towards a diesel heavy economy, it now makes up sixty
• 24:16
  Speaker 17: to seventy percent of our demand slate. Our known resources
• 24:20
  Speaker 17: haven't quite been up to scratch, and so we have
• 24:21
  Speaker 17: been dependent upon importing that heavier crude.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean we can't produce.
• 24:26
  Speaker 17: Crude here and as you alluded to, the cheapest way
• 24:28
  Speaker 17: we looked at all the options on the table for
• 24:30
  Speaker 17: us to produce our own synthetic crude here would be
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: by utilizing coal to liquid technology. Now it might not
• 24:37
  Speaker 17: be commonplace here in Australia, but this is a very
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: common technology around the world. South Africa produces about thirty
• 24:43
  Speaker 17: to forty percent of their domestic oil from coal to
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: liquid technologies and have been for decades. What many people
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: are surprised to know is China burns about four hundred
• 24:52
  Speaker 17: million tons of coal a year just producing synthetic crude
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: and the downstream petrochemicals. Now, to put that into context,
• 25:00
  Speaker 17: that's about the total amount that Australia exports annually. So
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: this is done at scale around the world. We haven't
• 25:07
  Speaker 17: touched it here.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 17: We do have companies that have tried, but of course
• 25:09
  Speaker 17: they've run into red and green tape and that's been
• 25:12
  Speaker 17: bundled up and they've been pushed towards doing other less productive,
• 25:15
  Speaker 17: less scalable fuels such as recycling plastics. But for us
• 25:19
  Speaker 17: to really have that domestic supply chain in country, coal
• 25:23
  Speaker 17: to liquid or gas to liquid are really the only options.
• 25:25
  Speaker 17: But when it comes to cost competitiveness. Really our Brown
• 25:28
  Speaker 17: cole in Victoria, you can't get a cheaper feedstock than that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Well, as a country, we've spent hundreds of billions of
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: dollars trying to switch to renewable energy when it comes
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to the electricity grid. The sort of independence for liquid
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: fuels you're talking about would not come cheaply. Obviously private
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: enterprise would be involved, but you'd need some sort of
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: government to support to get it started. You'd have to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: pay a premium for this energy independence. What sort of
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: cost do you think we're looking at?
• 25:58
  Speaker 17: So, I actually don't think the cost is as bad
• 25:59
  Speaker 17: as many you would suspect. So since the Ukrainian invasion,
• 26:02
  Speaker 17: the crack spread, that's the money you make out of
• 26:05
  Speaker 17: taking the crude and then converting it into a diesel
• 26:09
  Speaker 17: or a petrol, has been quite elevated. So the business
• 26:11
  Speaker 17: case for investing in your refinery capacity, particularly one step
• 26:15
  Speaker 17: removed from these conflict zones, I think is actually quite
• 26:18
  Speaker 17: lucrative at the moment. But of course, with any large
• 26:20
  Speaker 17: capital project like this, especially when you have had a
• 26:23
  Speaker 17: decade plus of the government trying to shut down these
• 26:26
  Speaker 17: kind of projects, wrapping them up in green tape under
• 26:29
  Speaker 17: the safeguard mechanism. I think it would be more about
• 26:32
  Speaker 17: incentivizing capital to move towards these industries, to give them
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: that security that another government isn't going to come in
• 26:38
  Speaker 17: and pull the rug out from under them, and some
• 26:40
  Speaker 17: with cult to Liquids to get a pilot plant up
• 26:42
  Speaker 17: and running, starting to produce these products at scale. You're
• 26:45
  Speaker 17: looking at about a billion dollars, So i'd say capital
• 26:47
  Speaker 17: expenditure to really get these industries going. A billion dollars
• 26:51
  Speaker 17: for your cult to liquids, probably ten to twelve for
• 26:54
  Speaker 17: your refinery. But how much government incentive would actually be needed,
• 26:58
  Speaker 17: I'm not convinced that it would be necessary.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It would be more about.
• 27:02
  Speaker 17: Giving private capital the confidence to invest in a technology
• 27:06
  Speaker 17: that does produce emissions, given the green tape that we've
• 27:10
  Speaker 17: been putting around these technologies in the past.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Great stuff, Jared, thanks for joining us. Jared Hollow there
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: with the page center. They're all over us. You heard
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: him thoy were looking at this a year ago timely report,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: and gee, don't we need it now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: It is a crime that this country is so vulnerable.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: We are an energy rich country and we've made ourselves
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: energy poor. We've got to get to a break and
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: talk about the Middle East and ceasefire talks. With President
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump drawing another line in the sand, We'll cross
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to the UK next, Homer vers. Minister Tony Burke is
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: under fire again after two Islamist hate preachers regarded visas
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to speak at events in Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: One of the men who pray is Hitler, was deported
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: last week, while the second preacher, Sheikh Ahmadala, fled the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: country before his visa could be canceled.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I have never listened to some.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Of the repugnant remarks he's made in the past.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: The busb.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: A.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Joel Bernie from the Australia Israel and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Jewish Affairs Counsel.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you again, Joela. Look, this is.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Just shocking that hate preachers like this were given visas
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to come to Australia. Good that the visa has been
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: canceled and they booted out. But but, but how could
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: they have been granted visas in the first place.
• 28:53
  Speaker 16: Well, thanks for having me Christ And on the one hand,
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: it is incredibly shocking is that a quick Google search
• 28:59
  Speaker 16: of these personalities would have found exactly what the journalists,
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: good journalists and other community members were able to find
• 29:07
  Speaker 16: and tipping off the government authorities. But then not so
• 29:11
  Speaker 16: shocking that over the past two and a half years
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: this government has presided over an explosion of anti Semitism,
• 29:18
  Speaker 16: where on the one hand, it talks tough, it says
• 29:20
  Speaker 16: that there's no place for antisemitism, we have no patience
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: for this. We're going to change legislation like they did with.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: The Migration Act.
• 29:28
  Speaker 16: But somehow these two very clear hate preachers get through
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: the net, and it appears as though that there was
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: no net to begin with. So I think that at
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: a bare minimum expectation as to what the Jewish community
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: has had to endure in this country over the past
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: two and a half years, that Home Affairs would have
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: staffed its positions to a certain degree to make sure
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: that this didn't happen. I'll add this one final thing
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: is that when Home Affairs wanted to frustrate the visa
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: applications from Israel simple tourists wanting to come to this
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: great nation of ours, and asking them to go through
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: their army history, the contact details of their senior officers
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: and also their ten year international travel history. That wasn't
• 30:13
  Speaker 16: a problem for home affairs. But catching these hate preachers
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: who have been such a detrimental impact on the social
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: cohesion in Australia. He really is shocking and battling.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Well, it's just terrible.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And don't forget this is a government, This alban easy
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: labor government has banned a number of mainstream Jewish commentators
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: from coming to Australia for charity events. They've even been
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: serving Israeli politicians from coming here. Yet they've allowed these
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: hate preachers to come into the country now banned. Of course,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: here's Matt fistlethwag the Labor Front benure.
• 30:47
  Speaker 18: We've got no tolerance whatsoever for people who espouse anti
• 30:51
  Speaker 18: Semitic or Islamophobic views. And there's powers within the Migration
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: Act for us to deny versus not used in this case,
• 30:58
  Speaker 18: though we have been. There was another individual who came
• 31:02
  Speaker 18: on a visitors visa last week from Bangladesh to speak
• 31:05
  Speaker 18: at the same conference. When we became aware of his comments,
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: we canceled his visa.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's just terrible this government's record on anti Semitism.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I talk about it all the.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Time and this is another classic example But I want
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to go to a related issue with you, Joel, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: this is what must worry a lot of Australians is
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: because there were groups in this country who wanted these
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: hate preachers here, who wanted them to come and speak.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: So it's one thing now to deny the visa send
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: them out of the country. But here are people going
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: around saying that Jews are despicable and they're the root
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: of all evil in the world, and there are audiences
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: groups in Australia wanting.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Them to speak here.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: What should the government be doing about those groups and
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: what sort of hatred they're preaching.
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: I'm so happy you touched on it, Chris, because this
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: is really the critical point.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Look, I can and I have.
• 31:56
  Speaker 16: Pinpointed very disappointing behaviors of the government that no doubt
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: contributed to the atmosphere that contributed to the greatest loss
• 32:05
  Speaker 16: of life in a terror attack on the fourteenth of
• 32:08
  Speaker 16: December last year. But seemingly the events of Bondi hasn't
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: snapped this government out into actually doing what needs to
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: be done to protect Australian Jews and also protect all
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: of our fellow Australians. But your question is a very
• 32:21
  Speaker 16: important one.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: We are Jewish.
• 32:23
  Speaker 16: Australians, Chris, and this is a message to my Muslim
• 32:25
  Speaker 16: Australian brothers and sisters.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: We are not just.
• 32:29
  Speaker 16: Ethically and religiously or cousins, but we are fellow Australians.
• 32:33
  Speaker 16: This has to stop where in large segments of Australia
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: think it's okay to import this hate to spew onto
• 32:41
  Speaker 16: the streets of Australia, to target what is a very
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: proud and what a high contributing minority that is the
• 32:47
  Speaker 16: Australian Jewish community. Is enough, not enough that our fellow
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: Muslim Australians recognize that even though there has been violence
• 32:55
  Speaker 16: many many thousands of kilometers away, it is not fair
• 32:58
  Speaker 16: to import those feelings in those hostilities to this great
• 33:02
  Speaker 16: nation of ours. We have got to a point now
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: where we're losing our character, that same character that makes
• 33:10
  Speaker 16: people from all part all corners of the earth wanting
• 33:13
  Speaker 16: to come and live to this great land. And we're
• 33:15
  Speaker 16: on a precipice now where we're losing that. So my
• 33:17
  Speaker 16: message is clear, Chris, on that point, we shouldn't be
• 33:20
  Speaker 16: importing this hatred, whatever ill that we have, or whatever
• 33:24
  Speaker 16: is going on thousands of kilometers away. We can work.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: We can work on it together.
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: As fellow Australians, and that's my message. It's just disappointing
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: that groups in Australia still think that it's justifiable and
• 33:35
  Speaker 16: okay to import such hatred to what is such an
• 33:38
  Speaker 16: already very suffered and traumatized community.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Well said Joel, Thanks so much for joining us, John
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Bernie Vance Majack the Australia Roselt Jewish Affairs Council.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: And this is where the government still needs.
• 33:50
  Speaker 19: To step up.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: You heard there from that, this or what you'll hear from.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Tony Burke and others have banned these visas after they
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: granted them, but they need to root out the hatred.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: There were groups in Australia who wanted.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: These hate preachers to come out here and spread their
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: vile message here.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Now our government, the Prime Minister, needs.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: To go to these communities and say that's not on.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: That's not how we operate in Australia. We don't have
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: hate preachers preaching bile against Jews in various groups around Sydney, Melbourne,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Brisbane and Canberra. The government's got to go there and
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: tell them it's not on. Instead of just canceling a visa.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: How many more Bondai massacres do they want before they
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: actually take action against hatred in our midst.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Now I want to go to the UK.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: There are reports, as we said earlier, that the US
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and Iran are discussing via mediators a forty five day ceasefire.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, the clock is ticking on Donald
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Trump's latest threat, warning Iran they've got until ten o'clock
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Wednesday our time to open what he calls the effing Strait,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: or all hell will rain down on the cun Tree's
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: power plants and infrastructure. Over the weekend, the President shared
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a video of strikes on military leaders in Tehran.
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: Have a look.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Let's go to News Corp Europe correspondent and Skye News contributor.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So for your's worth in London. Good to talk to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: you again, Sophie. This latest deadline from Donald Trump, it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: really an affirmation or reaffirming of a deadline he'd set earlier.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: But he will follow through soon, will he not?
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, I don't want to predict what the US
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: President Donald Trump is going to do. I think that
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: would be a very tough challenge. At the moment. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: sometimes I do wonder why he's repeatedly putting out these
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: pretty bulshy statements on social media, and some would argue
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: not following through. I wonder when he's tweeting these things
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: or posting them on truth social is he thinking clearly,
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: because the ramifications come back to bite him when the
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: deadline passes and it hasn't arrived to the resolution that
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: he has said that it will. So I think the
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: day and age now where presidents and prime ministers have
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: social media is a worrying thing, Chris, because they're making
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: these people like him and making statements like this, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: then they can't follow through when the deadlines are not met.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of Barack Obama and red lines in
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Syria that he laid down and never followed through on.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: And Donald Trump.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: That's why I say he has to follow through at
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: some stage otherwise the whole of the US authority in
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: this conflict is lost. We'll see, hopefully there's a ceasefire.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: We'll wait and see what happens there. I want to
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: get to the net zero debate because it's so important
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: for Australia and it's mirrored in many ways in the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: UK more closely than most other countries. Let's have a
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: listen to Ed Milliband, who's the Energy secretary.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: He's the Chris Bowen of the UK. Have a listen every.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: Seller, pannel wind school, every wind turbine we build, every
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: piece of grid that we construct helps protect us as
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: a country. And we are going to drive this forward.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: This is just such nonsense, Sophie.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's like we hear here in Australia that you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: all this renewable energy, it's cheaper and it's going to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: make us a renewable energy superpower. I mean, it's cod'swallet right.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: We can all see, especially at this current energy crisis,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: how reliant we all are on fossil fuels.
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: Chris. It is remarkably similar what you see here in
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: the UK to Australia, where we have here in the
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: UK these net zero ambitions to be pretty much completely
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: reliable on renewables by twenty thirty. Now there's new data
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: published today that shows in twenty twenty five, seventy five
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: percent of the energy generated here was from fossil fuels.
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: So they're not even close to reaching that one hundred
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: percent entirely renewable energy target by twenty thirty and also
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: the Energy Secretary Ed Miliban said that power bills here
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: would come down by three hundred pounds a year and
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: he's had to throw that out the window because they
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: can't meet these targets. It seems eerily similar to what
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: we hear in Australia that we're going to going to
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: be reliable on renewables and our power bills are coming
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: down and neither are occurring.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, we'll keep an eye on those issues for sure.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on the former Prince Andrew.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: The Royals got together for Easter as they want to do,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: but there was no sign of the errant Prince.
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: No Chris, and we wouldn't have expected to see him
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: yesterday at the Easter celebrations that the Royal family held
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: George's chapel on the Windsor estate. He was nowhere to
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: be seen. Reports here in the UK was that he
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: was spending Easter on his lonesome in Norfolk, because as
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: we know, he remains under police investigation here in the
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: UK on allegations of a misconduct while in public office
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: when he was Trade End Voice, So he is definitely
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: persona non grata with the royal family. And we did
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: not see his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson all their two
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: daughters yesterday, so your household is very much, very much
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: on the outer here, Chris.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what comes of
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: all those police investigations.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, so Fik appreciate.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: It, Sophie, yours worth all over it in London for
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: us as ever, we better get to a break. On
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: the other side, our panel has got plenty to discuss,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: including the issues at the serious issues of the day
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: when it comes to war and the energy crisis.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: But have a look at this. We're going to check
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: in on the.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: US Olympic star who dazzled every one at this stall gift.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the panel now, and I'm joined on
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the desk by JB. Johnson, who's the co host of
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: the Double J podcast.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Do you call it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: Double GIANTSJJ podcast? Say Double J every time I'm.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Here a double J? Yes, maybe I'm an old Double
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: J listener. I call my mate.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: JJ the JJ podcast Johnson, you named it after John
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Jonas the JJ Podcast. And we've got Steven Senta Tiempo
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Breakfast morning host at two double C and Canra.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Good to have you both on board. I want to
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: start off by.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Getting your thoughts both on One Nation. This analysis fight
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: by The Australian is not new polling, but it looks
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that everything has happened over the last three months and
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: it shows that One Nation are surging in every state
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: and they're ahead of the Coalition in every state except.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Victoria, where there are only one point behind. Jamie.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: This is changing the political landscape fundamentally.
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: It's changing it fundamentally.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: But they're not only surging in every status you just said,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but across every demographic. You know, it's not the stereotypical.
• 41:07
  Speaker 13: One Nation followers.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: You know, we've got more women than men apparently following
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: One Nation now and they're surging among immigrants. I think
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: there was a study done on the amount of people
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: that are not speaking English at home or English is
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: their second language.
• 41:20
  Speaker 13: They are flocking to her in droves.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Zoe mackenzie was on here earlier and mentioned that there
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: had been a teal banner in a shop window and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that's become One Nation.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: So I mean that that was fascinating.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Was you think of the tills as being the left
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: and One nation right, and yet it's that they are.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: There's a commonalty there in terms of not being happy
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: with the major parties. Steven, I think the coalition who
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: really got to lift their game and how they deal
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: with this, right, they're going to be having policy arguments
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: with the government instead of just you know, trifling around
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: the edges.
• 41:56
  Speaker 20: But this has been the problem with the Coalition for
• 41:58
  Speaker 20: well over a year now. Probably more than that is
• 42:00
  Speaker 20: their lack of policies. And the problem is is that
• 42:03
  Speaker 20: I think this shift to one nation is not so
• 42:05
  Speaker 20: much looking for an answer, it's literally taking a brick
• 42:07
  Speaker 20: back to the major parties yep, because they're not delivering
• 42:10
  Speaker 20: because the reality is one nation. Whilst they have this
• 42:12
  Speaker 20: policy document and they talk a lot of motherhood statements,
• 42:15
  Speaker 20: they've got nothing in the way of economic policy, which
• 42:18
  Speaker 20: is what we really need at the moment, and that
• 42:20
  Speaker 20: should be the strength of the coalition.
• 42:21
  Speaker 19: But where are they out there talking about these things?
• 42:24
  Speaker 20: You know, Angus Taylor put together a far better front
• 42:26
  Speaker 20: bench than Susan Lee, had no question about that, but
• 42:29
  Speaker 20: where are they out there talking about policies. There is
• 42:32
  Speaker 20: still a void about what they need to be talking about.
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: It's all well and good to say the government's doing
• 42:37
  Speaker 20: a bad job. We all know that, we know the
• 42:38
  Speaker 20: government's doing a bad job. But who is going to
• 42:40
  Speaker 20: deliver the answers? And I don't think it's one nation
• 42:42
  Speaker 20: at the moment, but it's certainly not the coalition. So
• 42:45
  Speaker 20: people saying, well, we might as well just blow up
• 42:47
  Speaker 20: the whole joint.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've really got to be having arguments, and the
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: energy is the number one the issue they should be
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: arguing about. At the point he go hard on that
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: zero and have that fight. Of course, Labor is going
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: to say, you're killing the planet. Have the fight because
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: we're destroying ourselves when it comes to energy security and
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: energy affordability in this country.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, let's talk about electric bikes e bikes.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I hear you get around on one, James.
• 43:13
  Speaker 13: I made the mistake of telling you I'm an e
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: bike rider.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Oh dear, what's good, old metals?
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: What do you know? What? Though?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Like with this story, my husband and I have been
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: riding e bikes for a number of years, so it
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: was long before this fuel crisis, but we actually became
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a one car family because of it, so you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: The story is that with the fuel prices the way
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: they are that we're seeing a lot more people buy
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: e bikes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: They're pretty handy machines, Steve, and they worry me.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: There are too many kids riding them around and they've
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: got no idea. They're effectively motorbikes, electric motorbikes, so they've
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: got to sort all that out. But I can understand
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: why they're pretty popular.
• 43:52
  Speaker 20: Well, here in Canberra we've just signed up apparently for
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: another rental mod. We've had the scooters for years now
• 43:58
  Speaker 20: and they just get dumped all over the place in
• 44:00
  Speaker 20: in Lake Burley Griffin, so it'll now be e bikes
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: as well.
• 44:03
  Speaker 19: But I mean we've got our.
• 44:04
  Speaker 20: Treasure here in the AC two who said, look, if
• 44:06
  Speaker 20: you can't afford to put petrol in your car, go
• 44:08
  Speaker 20: out and buy an electric car. So it makes sense
• 44:10
  Speaker 20: that people are buying electric bikes is they are a
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: little bit cheaper than an electric car. But you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 20: when petrol surging up towards three dollars a leader, is
• 44:17
  Speaker 20: there any wonder the people are looking for an alternative?
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Indeed.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Now I want to get your thoughts too. On the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Moon mission. The team has said Artemis too, I love this.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I can't get enough news about this because it's just
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: history and the making. And you know, I've had my
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: younger boys Jamie have often talked about, you know, what
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: it was like when the Apollo went to the Moon,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, they thought everything was in black and white.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: They're not just the TV, but everything we lived that
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: we were all black and white. It was great for young
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: kids now to see this unfolding in real time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: Absolutely.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: My son tried to watch Godzilla in nineteen fifty four
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: today and saw that it was black and white and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was like, what is this?
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: So definitely great that it's in color.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not one that you usually follows astronauts and things,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: but the thing I love about this story is that
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you've got the first woman, you've got the first black man.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And I know people have been you don't want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: go I know, but that's been the stories I've been reading.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But on a human level, I just love watching people
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: literally reaching for the stars. So I think the whole
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: thing is very inspirational.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to lead to obviously people back on
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the moon again, but Stephen, there's a first even pretty
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: much overnight our time when it gets to the dark
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: side of the Moon and the particular zenith. I suppose
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: of it's all, but it's going to be the furthest
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: that any manned spacecraft has ever been from Earth.
• 45:42
  Speaker 19: This is absolutely huge.
• 45:43
  Speaker 20: I've had Doctor Brad Tucker on my show three times
• 45:45
  Speaker 20: last week talking about this as we got up to
• 45:47
  Speaker 20: the launch. And there is an Australian connection here too.
• 45:51
  Speaker 20: Without the Tidbinbilla facility here in the act and also
• 45:54
  Speaker 20: Mount Stromlow, this mission doesn't happen. So I mean we're
• 45:57
  Speaker 20: driving this as well. And I think the most important
• 45:59
  Speaker 20: thing to remember three of the four astronauts are wearing
• 46:02
  Speaker 20: Amiga Speedmaster watches, which is what the original Apollo astronauts wore.
• 46:05
  Speaker 19: So I love the nostalgia there too.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Do we expect there'll be a lot of science
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to come out of it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: We know that the technological breakthroughs of the original original
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Moon missions we just took us.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Ahead in leaps and bounds.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I suppose.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I suppose we can expect the same.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Here, absolutely fine tuning every little bit of technology.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Interesting that tidbin Billin. I had a look at the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: dish now to day I.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Was taking my kids, so bring them up again. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: wanted them to show them the dish and that's a
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: great bit of history, a great Australian film, and those
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: space stations still involved in this mission. I want to
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: go to something that happened in Victoria today. The Stall
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Gift is always a great athletics carnival, a great event.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Well there's a bit of star power there today because
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the Olympic gold medalist sprinting champion from the USA, Shaikhari Richardson,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: was there. She ran off scratch. That meant she ran
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty meters. Some of the runners had
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: nine meters start on her.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Have a look what she did.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Allay richards have got out pretty well.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Neilson quickly goes up to car Essentialia behind them and
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: c Sha Kiri's studying the wind up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Nilson's got a big lead.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Sha Kirey's running a down, running her down.
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: It's so close.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: She's got a look, she's come to the clouds.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: You gotta love Australia.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: We even handicap the sprint racist Stephen, but that was unbelievable.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Showed the handicap has got it about right because she
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: just got there.
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: It reminds me of you're saying bold at the Olympics
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: when he sort of, you know, not slowed down and
• 47:36
  Speaker 20: for the camera so they could take that side on
• 47:38
  Speaker 20: shot of him. But the one thing about the Stall
• 47:40
  Speaker 20: Gift is you very rarely recognize any of the names
• 47:43
  Speaker 20: that are running at it, and obviously they're very good
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: at what they do, so to have real star power
• 47:47
  Speaker 20: there clearly shows that it's actually got some street credit
• 47:51
  Speaker 20: on the world stage. But what an extraordinary run.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's an amazing athlete and the biggest name ever
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: at the Stall Gift.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It's great to have that on Australian soil. I watched
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it today and I was looking at the front and
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, what she has come out of nowhere?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It was incredible.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: See you there.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: If you go on YouTube, you can find a race
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: where Kathy Freeman ran the four hundred meters there some
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: years ago and came from nowhere.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: It was brilliant to watch as well.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Jamie and Stephen on this Easter Monday.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Really appreciate it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 19: Thanks.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: She's going to wrap up.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: With some of your feedback from what we were talking
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: about last week when it came to economic management and
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: the energy crisis here in Australia. One viewer says, imagine
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: being a young family with a million dollar mortgage right now.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely tough times. Indeed.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Another viewer says, we had been fabulously shafted by Labor
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: and the Greens. Let's see if they've got the smarts
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to dig us out of this one.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I wonder what the odds are. Yeah, I wonder what
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: the odds are too.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Another viewer says this economic crisis is due to years
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: of mismanagement.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: We cannot continue down this path. We cannot.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: But who's going to fix it? We will wait and
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: see in hope. Thanks for joining me. Here's Peter Quentin.