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Patriots Catch-22 9/17: 3 Up/Down from Seahawks loss, Key Matchups Against the Jets · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 2: I'm not ready to claim. I'm he worked for Sean
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  Speaker 2: Well that's good because you were late, so that people
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  Speaker 2: so I want to start while looking back on the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks game, and then we will obviously talk about the
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  Speaker 2: New York Jets the first time against Aaron Rodgers in
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  Speaker 2: the Jets uniform, which is I'm looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of juice. It's a Thursday
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  Speaker 2: night game, it's a primetime game. We don't have a
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  Speaker 2: ton of those this year, so it's nice. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be fun. I'm looking forward to it. But before I'll
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  Speaker 2: spend the first hour here or so talking about the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 2: and I have two big picture takeaways off the top,
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  Speaker 2: one offense, one defense. I want to go defense first,
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  Speaker 2: and then we're gonna talk about each one of them separately. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Defensively, the way I came out of this
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  Speaker 2: game is I know that the big prevailing narrative, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I disagree, We're going to get to it.
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  Speaker 2: On the offensive side of the ball is the lack
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  Speaker 2: of a downfield passing game or really any sort of
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver production. Certainly in the passing game. It's a concern.
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  Speaker 2: It's an issue that needs to be either addressed or
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  Speaker 2: this team is likely for another top ten draft pick.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just face it, like, if they can't find ways
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  Speaker 2: to throw the ball down the field, they are in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: With that being said, I came out of watching the
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  Speaker 2: film from this game yesterday and dissecting this game on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday feeling a little bit more concerned about the defense
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  Speaker 2: when the offense, simply because my expectations on the defensive
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball were much higher and this team's
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  Speaker 2: success or failure rides a lot more on the defense
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  Speaker 2: doing its thing than the offense. The offense, for all
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  Speaker 2: intents and purposes, kind of played their game in this game.
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  Speaker 2: And I know saying that with one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: passing yards is crazy, but.
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're saying this. This is usually the kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing that you hate.
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  Speaker 2: It is, but I have to adjust. I have to
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  Speaker 2: be malleable. I have to adjust to the fact that
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  Speaker 2: this is how they're going to try to win football
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  Speaker 2: games right now until probably next offseason of the season
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  Speaker 2: after that, when they start to get some weapons in
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  Speaker 2: here and some tackle help and Drake may starts playing
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. They hit a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the same notes offensively that they hit in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: The defense just gave up twenty three points. And as
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  Speaker 2: much as I want to sit here and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you should be able to win a game twenty four
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  Speaker 2: to twenty three in the NFL, the bottom line is
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  Speaker 2: is that they need their defense to be what carries
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  Speaker 2: them in these football games along with their running game. Offensively,
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  Speaker 2: the running game did its part. Defensively, you just can't
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  Speaker 2: win a lot of games the way the Patriots are constructed.
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  Speaker 2: Giving up three hundred and thirty passing yards to Gino Smith, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's just not going to really get it done. And
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  Speaker 2: watching the film back, I think two things that really
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  Speaker 2: were concerning to me. One, in the first half, thought
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  Speaker 2: they got really cute, really cute. We talked about this
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  Speaker 2: on the way out actually on Sunday after the game,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd watched it back and felt the same way.
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  Speaker 2: It just seemed like some of the disguising, some of
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  Speaker 2: the rotations, some of the things that they were doing
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  Speaker 2: in the back end that we praised them for in
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  Speaker 2: Week one, they got caught in a lot of those
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  Speaker 2: this week. And the two biggest examples to me are
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  Speaker 2: one obvious the touchdown to Metcalf. So it's second and
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  Speaker 2: five from about the forty six yard line and you
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  Speaker 2: go zero blitz on second and five. Not only do
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  Speaker 2: you go zero blitz, but it's also some sort of
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  Speaker 2: man match coverage that Dugger was explaining after the game,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not even just straight man to man zero
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  Speaker 2: where at least you just hope that nobody gets beat.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mental error that leads to this big play.
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  Speaker 2: And lastly, if you watch the play, Kyle duggers on
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  Speaker 2: the outside because he's got sharbon Ay right sharbon Ay,
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  Speaker 2: it's empty and Sharbonay goes out, so Sharbone goes split out.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle duggers on the outside, a safety on the boundary.
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  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez an outside corner is on the inside where
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  Speaker 2: the safety should be right, Like everybody's flip flopped on
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  Speaker 2: the play. And the one thing that I thought about
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  Speaker 2: it was just you have guys and this is both instances.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up where I felt this way,
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  Speaker 2: you have guys playing in weird spots all to try
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  Speaker 2: to disguise what you're doing, right, Like, that's the main
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  Speaker 2: reason you want Gonzo to travel inside with Metcalf looks
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  Speaker 2: like man to man every single time he does that.
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  Speaker 2: Then sometimes it might be zoned, sometimes it might be man,
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  Speaker 2: And that's how you can try to confuse quarterbacks. Felt
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  Speaker 2: like in this game, Gino Smith was not confused at all.
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  Speaker 2: He was a step ahead. And the last playof'll just
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  Speaker 2: bring up yeah, then you can chime in the twenty
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  Speaker 2: four yard passed Jackson Smith and Jigba on third down
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  Speaker 2: over the middle of the field. They run a simulated
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  Speaker 2: pressure cover to Tampa to defense where Kean White and
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  Speaker 2: Joshua Ouce, your two best pass rushers are twenty yards
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  Speaker 2: down the field in a zone coverage.
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  Speaker 1: And they end up on I think that's what where
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  Speaker 1: they ended up on Metcalf, Right, they end up on
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  Speaker 1: JSN and it was in the field. There was another
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  Speaker 1: one where they ended up on metcalf, Yeah, which is
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  Speaker 1: also you know how I feel about the d go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for a good a good spin the dial,
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  Speaker 2: like I I look, that's what the type of things
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  Speaker 2: that that US nerds like in the film side, like
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  Speaker 2: that's we love to break those types of plays down
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  Speaker 2: when they were right, Like, oh, look at this insane
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  Speaker 2: simulated pressure creeper pressure that the Patriots ran where they
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  Speaker 2: drop their best pass rusher out and that leads to
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  Speaker 2: a free runner for Jabriel Pepper's on the left hand
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  Speaker 2: side and he just comes in unblocked and clocks a
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  Speaker 2: gena Like if it works, it's awesome. Right when it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work, it's not. And the just to wrap it
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  Speaker 2: up the point what I've the way that they're playing
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  Speaker 2: defense right now feels to me like it's the no
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  Speaker 2: risk at no biscuit defense. Like we talk about that
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  Speaker 2: on an offense where when you're volatile with deep ball
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  Speaker 2: versus you know, dropping back and getting sacked or whatever
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  Speaker 2: one hundred times like the old Bruce arians Tampa offenses
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  Speaker 2: with Jameis Winston. Uh, this is that. But on the
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  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, where this is either gonna
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  Speaker 2: work like it did in Week one, and it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: shut down a team doing this, or you're gonna give
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  Speaker 2: up three hundred and thirty yards to Gino Smith. And
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  Speaker 2: there's like no in between on those two things.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say, first off, and I know nobody
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  Speaker 1: wants to hear this, but you gotta, to an extent
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  Speaker 1: just tip your captain Gino Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was good.
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  Speaker 1: He was really good. You know, he gets paid to
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  Speaker 1: not just understanding what the Patriots are doing rotating the coverages,
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  Speaker 1: but he he was under pressure a ton. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he he was great under pressure. He was excellent under pressure,
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  Speaker 1: taking hits, getting throws off through contact, things like that.
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  Speaker 1: He was He was really good in this game. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think they got a little too
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  Speaker 1: complex for their own good. There's the miscommunication on the
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  Speaker 1: big touchdown. I don't need Keon White dropping in the coverage.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. They don't. They don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: too predictable that that guy can rush. They did this
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  Speaker 1: with Judon, they did it going back to Trey Flowers
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  Speaker 1: manning up prime le'von bell in like twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: It felt to me, Yeah, I at a certain point
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  Speaker 2: if you're if you're disguising too much, you're hurting yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Just let guys do what they're good at. Let key
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  Speaker 1: On White, let Joshua get after the quarterback, spin the
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  Speaker 1: dial with the guys on the back end. Clearly it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't working, And yeah, I think they just psyched themselves out,
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  Speaker 1: and then it didn't help that Gino. It didn't help
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  Speaker 1: that Gino Smith had a great game. I will say
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  Speaker 1: in terms of JSN, it felt like to me what
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  Speaker 1: their game plan was big picture was to kind of
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  Speaker 1: force the Seahawks to just nicklin dine their way down
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  Speaker 1: the field with JSN and wait for Gino to make
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  Speaker 1: a mistake. And then obviously Geno never made a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: If they execute that game plan, it might work that
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  Speaker 1: that coverage bust. I mean, it's a three point game
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  Speaker 1: in overtime, you give up a free seven points on
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  Speaker 1: the coverage bus. That changes a lot. Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that the plan going in was they were
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  Speaker 1: okay with JSN having a big day. You just can't
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  Speaker 1: have dk Metcalf have one hundred something yards on.
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  Speaker 2: Top of that, right, the coverage bus is obviously a
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  Speaker 2: huge play in the game, and it wasn't the only
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  Speaker 2: time they busted the coverage on DK. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the pass breakup technically I put it in air quotes
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  Speaker 2: by Jabriel Peppers, that would have been another touchdown fifty
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  Speaker 2: yard bomb the DK if the ball had gotten there
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  Speaker 2: at Dietrich wise had pressure on that play it. So
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  Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I look at with the defense
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  Speaker 2: is that one, I'm still not one hundred percent sure
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  Speaker 2: what they want their coverage identity to be on defense.
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  Speaker 2: If their coverage identity is that, we don't have an identity,
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  Speaker 2: that's a tightrope that you walk every single week. That
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  Speaker 2: no risk and no biscuit thing that I was just
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  Speaker 2: talking about Belichick's defenses, and just it's fair to compare,
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  Speaker 2: I believe on that side of the ball, especially because
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of the same guys and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the same coaches. Belichick's defenses. For as game plan
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  Speaker 2: oriented as they were week to week, the actual schemes
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  Speaker 2: that they were running were pretty simple for all all
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  Speaker 2: the things considered for an NFL defense coached by Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 2: They were a man to man post safety defense. They
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  Speaker 2: had their match zones and things like that, but they
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  Speaker 2: were not overly complex in terms of what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about this in last week with Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Callahan's report that they put in some Baltimore Ravens things
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  Speaker 2: into this defense. That's not a Belichick defense, like Bill
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  Speaker 2: was a very structured defensive coach, and by simplifying assignments
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  Speaker 2: and making things easy on guys in that respect, you
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  Speaker 2: just didn't see them let dk Metcalf run through the
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  Speaker 2: defense on a bust like that too often in the past,
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  Speaker 2: Like that wasn't a ton. You can see that a
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  Speaker 2: ton with this group, So that was disappointing. They cannot
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  Speaker 2: play pass defense like that and win a lot of games.
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  Speaker 2: It's really that simple. That was the big picture on
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  Speaker 2: the defense. On the offense, I'm gonna come to Jacoby
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  Speaker 2: Rissett's defense a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I okay, you're surprising me so far.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm glad just a little bit. The main
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  Speaker 2: reason I talked about expectations. The expectations were that the
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  Speaker 2: defense was going to carry this team, defense, run game,
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  Speaker 2: play clean, and all three pH win like he did
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  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Right, that's the formula. Yeah, that's the plan.
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  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett through two games is mister net neutral, Like
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  Speaker 2: he's doing exactly what they wanted him to do. If
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  Speaker 2: you were expecting Jacoby Brissett to come in here and
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  Speaker 2: win a game in the fourth quarter or overtime by
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  Speaker 2: leading some Brady esque game winning drive, He's not that guy. Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not who he is. He's a veteran bridge backup quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't going to just put a team on
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  Speaker 2: his back and carry them to a victory. He right now,
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  Speaker 2: Berset is eleventh in QBR through two weeks. He's fifteenth
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  Speaker 2: in EPA per drop back fifteenth and success rate drop back.
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  Speaker 2: He has been pressured twenty seven times. He has the
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  Speaker 2: second highest pressure rate in the NFL with twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: total pressures. He's only been sacked four times. That pressure
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  Speaker 2: to sack rate ranks eighth in the league. So he's
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  Speaker 2: managing pressure extremely well. He's not turning the ball over
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  Speaker 2: and he's doing a nice job in this offense of
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  Speaker 2: keeping them from being catastrophically bad in terms of turnovers
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  Speaker 2: and just negative plays and things like that. He has
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  Speaker 2: zero big time throws and he is not an aggressive passer,
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  Speaker 2: like we know that he's not going to take a
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  Speaker 2: chance with the ball and try to fit something into
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  Speaker 2: a tight window and risk it being a turnover. He's
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  Speaker 2: just not going to play that type of football. With
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  Speaker 2: all that being said, I really feel as though Jacobi
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  Speaker 2: has done his job through two weeks. Now. Is it glamorous,
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  Speaker 2: is it exciting? Is it any of those things?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: But I don't feel as though he's really at fault
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  Speaker 2: for the fact that they lost this game on Sunday
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  Speaker 2: because of my expectations again of the guy that he
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  Speaker 2: is not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he holds some of the blame, certainly, but
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  Speaker 1: you're not. You know, there's a couple of people we
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  Speaker 1: need to get to, or a couple units we need
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  Speaker 1: to get to before we get to Jagoegberssett. If if
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  Speaker 1: Jakoby Brisset was their worst player on the field Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: playing the way he played, they win that game. They
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  Speaker 1: probably win that game comfortably. The offensive line is just
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  Speaker 1: a it's a problem. And I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: want to get into this right now. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a ton of thoughts under kobber Set other than I've
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  Speaker 1: had some people ask why he's being so tentative, why
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  Speaker 1: he's being so cautious, and some people wonder if that's
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  Speaker 1: like a trust thing with the receivers. One, I'd say
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line isn't giving him that much time to
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  Speaker 1: be aggressive. In two. This is kind of just who
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  Speaker 1: he's always been.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a a It's not like he
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: was going out there slinging the ball all over the
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: yard before.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: This is just kind of who he is.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: On the offensive line, though, there's you know, oh, how
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: do they get a more explosive passing game?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Why don't they do more down the field? You need
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: time for the receiver to get forty yards down the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: field to throw a forty yard pass, and they just
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: don't have that time right now. Think about it. It's
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a even if he need to get thirty yards down
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the field, you're talking about three something seconds. That time
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist right now in the pocket. It really doesn't
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: persents the second most pressure quarterback in the NFL through
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: two weeks. I guess we can start here. There's a
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: number of plays we can start. I guess we can
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: start here. When do we start having the conversation about
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: moving on one new back to guard. I don't think
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we can have it right now because the right tackle
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: is Kayden Wallace who they need at left tackle because
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Vederian Low is hurt and Chooks acor four left So
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: we can't have that converse. Yeah, I'm not gonna take
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the victory lap on that one, but we can't have that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Like as I ask you, when do we have this conversation?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I will also acknowledge we probably can't have it for
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a week or two because the guy that would play
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: right tackle has to play left tackle unless there's something
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: going on with Demantre Jacobs or who's going to practice
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: by Caleb Jones that maybe we're unaware of. Say it
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: takes two weeks to get Vederian Low healthy right, say
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: he misses Thursday night, and then you still just want
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to make sure you have that extra depth available in
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: ten days in San Francisco, especial against a very good
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: pass rushing team. Week five, do we start talking about
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Mike and Wnhu maybe moving back inside to guard.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He's miscast at tackle And I've been saying this forever. Yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: you take the victory. You've been on this more than anybody.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I don't need to take a victory lap on it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But the biggest thing we do on the show, I know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But the biggest thing to me, uh with on when
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Wu is just we need to separate the fact that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: he is their best option at tackle ye to him
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: being actually best off at tackle. Like you understand what
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm getting at. Like so, like the bar is so
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: on the floor with their tackle play over the last
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: couple of years. That yes, mike on Wnu a guard
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: playing tackle is better than some of the backups that
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: they have on the roster playing tackle. But at the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: same time, that doesn't make it the best course of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: action for the line or for on when Wu for
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: him to be playing tackle.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: So my old take was, I acknowledge one win, who's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a better guard than tackle, But I said the difference
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: is minimal enough that I'd rather have. I I'd rather
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: be secured at the more high impact position. Yeah, I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: don't think on When who's playing that level at tackle
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: right now or it makes it worth it?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I want to get to Onenu
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and the technique and some of the things that I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: saw on film with him in a second. But I
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: want to just talk big picture again about the passing
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: game in general. I don't when the quarterback is only
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: throwing for two hundred and seventy yards through two games.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want to excuse Jacoby and be like it's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: not his fault completely and all that kind he's the
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: one throwing the ball.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: He's the one throwing the ball. But I don't if
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we're going to rank the issues with the pass game,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: i'd say the offensive line is number one. I would
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: say Alex van Pelt is number two. Yeah, maybe Jacoby's third.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the there's a big gap
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: between two and three.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's I want to put him into buckets.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Let's do that. Okay, ranking them was probably the smartest
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: thing you like to do your ranking, that's true, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: ranking them just for for the bit was probably the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: best option. But yeah, let's put them into buckets and
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: kind of rank them at the same time. So offensive line, yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to me, is number one. So right now they're giving
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the they're allowing the second highest pressure rate. Everybody's heard
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that stat by now. They're also dead last and pass
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: block win rate they're thirty second in the league and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: pass bock win rate through two weeks. They dropped back
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to pass five times in the fourth quarter in overtime
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: on Sunday, he was pressured on every single one all
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: five drop backs the Seahawks generated pressure.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: On they also had and by the way, his total
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: pressure rate just for the context, forty four point three
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: percent according to next Gen.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Stat Yeah, in Cleveland's number one Watson at forty four
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: point seven Is that pff.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm using next Gen Stats. They have a different
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: They have Watson fifth.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: They have Tennessee number one.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: They have will Levis first to fifty three point four.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But I'll say this too, at least as it relates.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't go back and look up the numbers
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: from week one. I probably should have. As it relates
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to week two, more than half their pressures came on
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: third down, and they were pressured on more than half.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They had fifteen third downs through the ball on eleven
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of those fifteen, they were pressured on seven of the eleven,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: with a total of nine pressures. Because there were some
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: plays where there was multiple guys losing, so third down specifically,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: they're not getting it done.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the number one problem with the team.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: We knew it coming into the season. This in past protection.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This is I wouldn't say it's worse than I expected.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But it's as bad as I expected.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, when you said Cleveland was second, were you
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: going off total number pressures? No, Cleveland was first in
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: terms of rate when I just checked, okay, because they
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: have Cleveland second for total number of pressures but fifth
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: for pressure rate. It's Levis Persett, Caleb.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Williams, Justin Fields, DeShawn Watson in the top five, right,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and a lot of those quarterbacks and Jacoby, I guess
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: is we'll get to this in a second, is maybe
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in this category. But like guys like Fields, like those
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: guys are known to hold the football forever. Like That's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a big knock on their games, is how long they
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: hold the ball. Offensive line, we just rattled off with
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the numbers. The numbers are not pretty. They're not doing
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a good enough job. The biggest thing that I see too,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and I keep saying that's not going to rephrase, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: most egregious mistake that I see right now at the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: offensive line is that they are dialing up some shot
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: plays in certain situations that they just can't even get
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it blocked long enough for the play to have a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: chance to work. And they've actually generated especially in this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: game against Seattle, they had a few chances that receivers
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: were uncovering down the field for them to take a shot,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't there because of the pass protection. The
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: other thing I would just mention is that there's so
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: many dropbacks where Brisset's on his initial read. He looks
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to come off the initial read as soon as he
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: comes from one to two, he's already under pressure, so
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: two doesn't even become an option, not to even calculate, Well,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: what happens if he would get all the way to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: three and three is wide open and now we can't
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: get the ball out. So so much of that is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: happening where his progressions. And I've been nippicky about his
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: progression speed, and I do think that he can speed
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: up his internal clock a little bit to help, but
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: in general, like you see so many times where all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: right in his drop he's looking left, he gets to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the top of his job, left isn't there. He comes
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: back to the middle of the field, boom, and it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: like almost.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: How many times too? And I'll say this, I honestly
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think it could look worse because he's wiggled his way
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: out of a number of stacks.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: He's been pressures, been twenty seven times, only been sacked four.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He's been really good in the pocket, yeah, really good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But part of what comes with that is you start
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: running all right, well, now half the field's out of play.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and are.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: There times where maybe not even just getting through the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: progressions but well, I guess it is getting through the progressions.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But like guys open on the left side, but he
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: has to roll right out of pressure and now it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: just an unrealistic throw for him to make.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not he doesn't have Drake May, Patrick Mahomes,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen arm talent where he's just gonna off platform
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and throw forty yards down the field. So that's a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: big part of it too. But he had a really
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: nice play, two really nice plays early in this game.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I watched the first quarter of the film of this game.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, he's kind of low key dealing for
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit there was playing well yeah, yeah, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: think you know the big part of this, and we
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: can get to this with your AVP PO. When the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: scripted plays, yeah, going okay, once they kind of get
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: out of that script the first twenty to twenty five plays,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it's sustaining it for four quarters. That becomes a real concern.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: The other thing I would just mention with the line
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about on WHENU
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I see with on when wu
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: out at tackle is that he plays with a really,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: really short corner. And what that means is is that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: on his third step in his past set, he doesn't
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: get enough depth in his past set to cut off
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the angle to the quarterback. So instead of making the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: rusher go the long way home, the rusher has got
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a straight or a more straight path to the QB.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And we've talked about this a little bit with Wallace
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: on his college tape in this game against Seattle on
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: when he was opening early with his hips, so he'd
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: kick out with his first two steps. Then his third
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: step is swinging the gate open like he goes straight
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: back and you see his body go from like this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to like this. Right, he just swings the gate open.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And when you swing the gate open like that, now
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you have a soft corner. He just goes right through
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: your outside shoulder and he's in the backfield. That is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: usually something that tackles do when they feel threatened to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: buy speed and like they don't feel like they can
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: get out fast enough out of their stance to get
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: out to a guy to cut off the corner. That
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that speaks to the fact that he just doesn't have
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the tackle footwork to be out in that much space
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: on an island. That's why I've always felt like he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a better guard. This is not This is not the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: worst game I've ever seen him play at tackle. He
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was worse against Khalil Mack last year against the Chargers,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and he might have been worse against TJ.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Watt.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Now those are two really, really good players, don't get
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: me wrong, but this is about par for the course
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for on Wenu when he plays tackle and he doesn't
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: have one of his better games like this is what
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: it looks like in pass protection for him when he
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: plays like this. So I'm not surprised at all by
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this performance by on Wnu. And it seemed like it
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: got worse when the game went on, which might speak
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to conditioning and getting late there in the fourth quarter
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: in overtime. For a big guy at three hundred and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: forty three hundred and forty five pounds to be out
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: there dancing with pass rushers for four and a half quarters,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that that that can take a toll on a guy
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: like that. I felt like a lot of the pressures
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: happened late for him as well.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with all that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm curious because I was gonna go in a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: different direction with my second bucket. Yeah, I'm curious about
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: your AVP buckets, So give me that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's a couple of things. One is
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the some of the decision making in terms of the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: individual play calling the end of the first half. It
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me. Yeah, it didn't make sense.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how much that's on him, how
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: much that's on Mayo yep. But you basically have two
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: options there, right. You either push the ball down the field,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and you understand, all right, if we if this doesn't work, SEEHL,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it's gonna get the ball back with time and so
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: be it. But we want to be aggressing at points
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on the board. The other option is we're just gonna
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: run the ball. Either take this thing to the half,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: or if Seattle starts calling it time, it's timeouts. They
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: get the ball back with either thirty seconds left or
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: with no timeouts and probably about a minute left. Right,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So what they did instead was run on first down,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: then take like twenty seconds off the clock. Everyone for
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: mital gain, take like twenty seconds off the clock, then
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: start throwing. So instead, Seattle now gets the ball back
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: with all three timeouts and with time not to mention
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the twenty five yard punt return. Special teams kind of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: low it. They're like, you need to be more decisive,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you need to be more decisive in that moment. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: didn't like the third and six play call on the sack.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Traditional drop back there when you haven't been able to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: block all game. I not against throwing the ball overall.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It is third and six, but I just keep waiting
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for the jet pass or the end around or something
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: for Pop Douglas to get him going. They ran a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: reverse to Jalen Pulp which went for no yard. It's like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: where's Pop Douglas on that play?
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the call in overtime on the third down.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I was okay with them punting it, especially because you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: know Ivan, I always say this, I don't care about
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the math.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: On fourth down. The decision to go for it is.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Only as good as your play call going for it
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: just because you think it's the moment to go for it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: If you don't believe in your play, doesn't make sense.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: They come out with something really unique on third and one,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: they try to go off balance line, can't line it upright,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: try to go on balanced line, can't get one yard
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: on a day they were running the ball, well, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: can't imagine they felt good in that situation, which I'd understand.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But also, do we have something better on third and
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: one than an unbalanced line on a day we're running
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: for five and a half yards of carry and Ramandra
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Stevenson's feeling it? So some stuff like that, and then you,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I actually want to ask you this because you would
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: understand this better than me. And you talked about the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: progressions before. Yeah, who in this offense? Who sets the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: order of the progressions? And how are they set? Is
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it predetermined? Is it predetermined by Brissette? Is it predetermined
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: by Van Pelt? Does do reads maybe pre snap impact
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the way that's done? Because I feel like Pop Douglas
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: is late in the progressions a lot right now and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: they don't have time to get through the progressions. Is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: there a way to maybe change those progressions to move
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: things up for Pop Douglas? And if not, again, where's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the end a round. Where's the Jets sweep? Where's the screen?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: This offense, they're not gonna be able to throw the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: ball down the field a lot. They're just not They're
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: not gonna have the time with this offensive line. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: what's the next best thing to create explosive plays? A
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: guy that can catch a five yard pass and turn
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it into a twenty five yard game. That's Pop Douglas.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying forcing the ball, because when you start
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: forcing the ball to one player, the defense is pick
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: up on it. You create turnovers. But yeah, there are
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: things you can do within the scheme to maybe emphasize
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the player's role in the offense. And they're gonna need
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to start doing that for Pop Douglas, and if the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: progressions are maybe a way to do that. But again,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it's kind of more your area of expertise than mine.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's there's I agree with you that he
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: hasn't been the initial reading the progression. He actually was
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: on the initial side of the progression on the third down,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Zack Late.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Prisent never looked over there. Yeah, no, he's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he's running the out. There's like it's like an out
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and then like a deeper out with kJ Osbourne. He
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: was holding the ball for Osborne. I think Douglas is
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: open if you you know, a Brady like throw, like
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a pinpoint throw to the sideline, He's open. But you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: do see the corner there, and you know, if you're presett,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you're probably thinking, if this isn't a perfect throw, it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be a pick six in the other direction, I'm
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: gonna lose us the game, right, So instead I'm just gonna,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you know, pass that up and try to keep us
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: on with a field goal. Here. The biggest thing that
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I see with the progressions or the answer your question, Yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: there's progression reads and there's coverage reads. So progression reads
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: is literally just one, two three, right. Those are usually
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: predetermined based off the play call. Then there's coverage reads.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Coverage reads are they're in split safety, so where I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: gonna look left, If they're in single high, I'm looking
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: right because my beaters are on those sides of the field.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: They do a little bit of both in this offense,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: as every NFL offense does. But that's like the simplest
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: way of putting that in terms of how the progression start,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Like where the quarterback's eyes are starting and things like that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's pre snap indicators that that go even
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: beyond like what I could tell you without knowing exactly
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: what they're telling you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess the point is, is there a way
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to move Pop Douglas up in the progression?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Certainly, but I have some theories on Pop that I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: want to get to. But yes, in it's as easy
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: as just saying like this is we're running dagger, We're
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: now running this.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't Again, I I kind of felt that, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. It almost felt too too easy to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: be true. I'll say one other thing on on Van Pelt,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of as an overarching take before we get
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to that, because you ask my My big take is
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you're you're seeing a lot of the stuff that you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: see with these other I know it's gonna drive you
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: up a wall. With the other Shanahan coordinators, that just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: kind of caps the offense and the reality with Van
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Pelt is the designs aren't there. Because as much as
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I not Kyle Shanahan, Matt Lafleur, right, these guys, Mike MCDA,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Mike mcdaniels's own issue, but like they do design. They do.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: They are great at designing place I've alway I said
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that there were lead play designers, to which I would say,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: then go be an offensive coordinator because you can't do
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the rest of it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But just had to get that in there.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't want to sound like I'm going back
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: on my take, but you are seeing some of the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: refusal to adapt some of the clock management, the game
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: management issues, things like that, but you don't have some
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of the bells and whistles that come with it. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think Van Pelt did a great job this summer
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: in terms of working with Drake May and Joe Milton
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: on their development mechanically, and we'll kind of see where
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: May's at, I'm sure at some point sooner rather than later,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and kind of see how that progression has gone. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I said this before the season, everybody was criticizing Alex
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: van Pelt, and I said, well, all we have to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: go on right now. We can't really go off of
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: play calling because the preseason it's not the real book.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Let's wait and get into the season and see what
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it looks like. I haven't been I haven't been blown
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: away by him as a play caller. I think it
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be the offense leaves a lot
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to be desired so far.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I would agree with the sequencing of
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: plays maybe, Yeah, And Jacob said.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Sequencing is another good thing, Like it feels like they're
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: just calling individual plays. Yeah, and there's not a ton
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of all Right, we've hit them with a couple of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: wide zone runs in a row. Let's play action off
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that and try to get some behind it. I don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: know if it's the offensive line that's making be tentative.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Or what, but yeah, yeah, I hear you on on
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: some of those things. I think the overall design of
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the run game is really good and they've gotten better,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Like in terms of you know, last week or against Cincinnati,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, I felt like they were really
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: just that was like a high school offense, Like they
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: were running duo right at Cincinnati. It wasn't anything really
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: elaborate or anything. They added some wrinkles into the run
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: game this week, a little bit more motion. They were
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: using like the wide receivers as like wing blockers on
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: duo and kind of inserting those guys up to the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: second level so that they could kick out the ends
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and get up to the corners. Still. I really liked
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: like they were doing some little things like that that
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to get this run game a little bit more difficult
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to defend, and I enjoyed that. I thought the outside
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: zone game was probably the best I've seen the Patriots
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: block outside zone in three years of trying to install
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: an outside zone run scheme that Patricia here certainly did
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: never got to this. Like they they hit some real
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: outside zone runs where I was like, that looked like
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: a forty nine ers play, Like that looked like what
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to look like. You know, the nineteen yard
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: ar to Gibson in this game was an outside zone
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: week off the tackle that will hit exactly how it should.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So that's good, that's nice. The usage of certain personnel.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Did you mentioned the the end around to Jaalen Polk?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: To me, it's not even pop Like where's Taekwon on
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that play? Like that's a Xavier Worthy end around right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Like that's like all you're looking for on a play
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: like that is a guy that just hit twenty two
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: miles an hour coming through the defense like Xavier Worthy
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: did on that opening.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Game, and they had it it it It worked in
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: terms of like up to get him the ball, like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the edge was there, The edge was there to be had.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I if that's a faster player, not to pick
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: on Jalen Polk, but if that's a Taekwon Thornton. Uh,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Jalen Rager, a Jalen Rager, a
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas like someone like that, then that has a chance.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what I'm saying. And that's not
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not Polk's game. That's not why he's here. Yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that's not how that's not what you drafted him to.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It felt like when the Patriots in twenty two started
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: doing that with Jacobe Myers and it was like, what
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: do we do it? Like, this is the slowest guy
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: on the field, I understand what we're doing here. Uh,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the the third down play call in overtime. I actually
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: didn't hate the design of the play. They were running
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of gap or duo just right at the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: line against Seattle and against Cincinnati, like to dress it
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: up a little bit and show a little bit of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a different look like there. My biggest reason why I
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: really didn't mind it was because Taekwon doesn't really necessarily
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: have a role at the point of attack in that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: play anyways, so all you're only pulling him out of
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: blocking you know, a.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Car so much that and I actually like that because
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: if it had worked, they could have built off of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it where you fake that handoff to Stevenson, you toss
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it to Taekwan on the pitch and he's gone. But yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: one again, get it lined up two And I.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Don't obviously the penalty not right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if some of this was was just
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Seattle getting a really good initial surge. But you have
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Leyden Robinson, Mike go and Winu Kane Wallace all lined
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: up next to each other on the right side. Those
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: are three best run blockers. Yeah, right, Why does Stevenson
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: try to hit the hole at left card when you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: have those three on the right side. Now, some of
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: it I think might be in credit to the Seattle
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: defensive line. They blew that thing up on the right side.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: They got the initial push which you cannot let happen
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: there again if you have those three guys next to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: each other. But I almost feel like they loaded up
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: on the right to run left as kind of like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a disguise and no, just go strength on strength. That
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you have that, you should have the advantage there go
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: strength on strength.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that. I just they probably
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: were trying to catch Seattle sleeping on Taekwon a little bit. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: because if the corner on that side of the field,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I think it was requal and, Like if he crashes
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: down and Jacobe can just pitch that, it's like a touchdown, right,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Like he's literally there's gonna be nobody there to keep
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: him from an acre of green grass in front of him.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: So maybe there was a little bit of element of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: let's let's see if they cover it into their credit.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Seattle's credit requal And is twenty seven. I think that's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: equal and right. He did cover it right, So it
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: was taken away there by the defense. But I overall
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: with van Pelt, the biggest maybe nitpick that I would have,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I hear you, and I allowed you to go on
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the situational football thing because it was a part of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: this game and that's not my thing. I'm glad you
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: covered it. The biggest thing with Van Pelt that I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: see is that a lot of his shot plays are
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: these longer developing play action plays, and that's just the offense,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: like that's just the way that this offense builds in
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: these these deeper throws down the field, and it doesn't
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: really seem like he has another thing in his bag
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: to get the ball downfield.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess getting the ball downfield is different than this.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But like I said before, right, you don't have time
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: in the pocket for those plays to develop. Are there
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: other ways you can set up explosives and I go
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to just scheme touch plays. Can you get the ball
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: in the hands of your most explosive playmakers. Didn't he
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: say something this offseason about wanting to be the best
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: screen team in the league. Yeah, where is that?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Well, they've tried to run a handful of screens and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the one to Henry's the only one that's worked. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I when you're a team that's limited down the field,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen this all the time over the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: last couple of years. When your run game, quick game screen,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: like that's your offense. These defenses just sit on the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: screens like they know they're coming. I feel like there
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: are screens and build off the run, right, you know
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that worked perfectly, kind of have the counteraction with the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: motion going in one direction.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: But like also like a play action bubble screen, Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: something like that, Like you can you can build some
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: screens off run success rather than pass success.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've tried a handful of them, and they, like
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I said, the only successful one they've had so far
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: is the one to Henry on Sunday. I'm sure they'll
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: keep trying, but I have to bring it up because
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it just makes me almost tear up a little bit
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that they ran leak and they couldn't block it and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: they had it. Like Henry is wide af open, right,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: He's he's literally naked, there's nobody around him. He's gonna
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: walk in for a touchdown. And they they dressed it
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: up with emotion by Pop Douglas and they have Leyden
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Robinson pulling out to the unblocked edge. Henry kind of
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: gives him a little bit of a of a chip
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to hold him up first second to help Robinson get
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: over there. He releases into the route and Jacoby is
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: just like running around like a crazy person because there's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: like three guys in his face. He does get the
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: pass somehow to Henry for an eleven yard completion, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that should have been a walking touchdown on my favorite
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: play call in football. But they just didn't have it blocked.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe next time when you go into that, just thinking
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: out loud, like don't have a puller, Yeah, like just
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: block it as outside zone, right, They just like kind
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of fake it as outside zone and then have the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: quarterback roll.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Now, right, happens there so Laighton Robinson doesn't get over
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in time on the pole. Yeah, and maybe you saw
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: it differently than me, mike O. And when who ends
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: up one on two and kind of looks like he's
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: not sure what he's supposed to do, it just lets
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: both guys run by him.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of looked to me like Robinson and
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit on when Wu too, But Robinson
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: in particular looked really tentative on the poll, like he
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: didn't know where he was going. And he's rookie, it's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: his second game in the NFL. I'm not trying to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: pick on the guy necessarily, but that's a pretty simple
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Like you have that guy like you're pulling to this
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: guy that we're gonna leave for you to come and hit,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you know, ear hole, Like that's your guy. Like it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: not necessarily like we're scanning for like you know, it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: not a like dual read or something like that. It's
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: literally just like, this is the scheme, this is your guy.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I thought he was a little bit slow to get
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: over there. It just did. The blocking upfront just didn't work.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It didn't work. We're on multiple levels, and those are
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the issues that they're having. Like you can even have
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the perfectly time play call and scheme a guy wide open,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: which like doesn't happen very often in the NFL, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you can get all these things to go right. But
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: if you just can't block it for more than two
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and a half three seconds to let the quarterback get
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the ball off, then it can all go for not
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And this team right now, as we get into the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: third bucket that I have with the receivers, they don't
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: have the outside receiver talent to just have somebody run
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: by somebody and create it. Like you have to scheme
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: it up. And in order to scheme it up, you
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: need time. And if you don't have time in the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: pocket and you don't have the receivers to get open
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: on their own and you can't scheme it up, this
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: is how you don't get the ball down the field.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Like these are all the sort of dominoes that go
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: into play the receivers in Jakobe and sort of their
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: fault and all this. I look at it more of
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: like a timing or a trust thing. He doesn't have
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of trust in anybody. It doesn't seem
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to me outside of Hunter Henry right now to throw
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the ball and just anticipate that the guy is going
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to be in a spot. And he did it a
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: couple of times with Henry into some zone structures and
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: it was nice and it was a well, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: well executed play a couple of times there in the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: first half. But just in general, there's not a whole
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: lot of trust of like, oh, I'm just gonna put
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: this ball up on a on a on the high
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: shelf for Austin Hooper in the red zone and he's
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: just gonna go ahead and high point the ball and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: make a play like that. Just that type of stuff
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: just doesn't exist in their offense right now. I mentioned
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: earlier that he's got zero big time throws. Big time
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: throws come when you try to fit the ball down
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the field in some tight coverage, Like you don't just
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: get a big time throw for throwing a wide open receiver,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: you know, a touchdown like, that's not a big time throw,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: so you're gonna have to try to throw the ball
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: into some tighter windows or tighter coverage and man coverage situations,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and he just doesn't do that a whole lot. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: do think that he could be a tick faster through
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: his reads, and that's probably part of it too. You
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: watch Jalen Polk's touchdown, really good quarterback play, Like he
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: starts on the left, he's got sticks like two, a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: little outs on the left hand side, gets to the
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: top of his drop, cancels it out right back into
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Bullet Like. That's how it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: got to look in terms of the timing or the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: pacing of the play from the quarterbacks perspective. Sometimes I
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: do see him hold the ball a little bit, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: he's got the third highest time to attempt right now
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: in the league. Some of that's because he's running for
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: his life and he's extending plays. But I don't feel
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: as though there's enough rhythm throws to this offense right now,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: where it's like come off the initial get to the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: second or third hit the ball, you know, ball comes
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: out on the first hitch, second hitch, Like it's all
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: of it is either quick and out like quick game style,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: or it's extended play. I'm running for my life trying
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to make something happen. Yeah, there's no in between of
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: just this is rhythm within our offense, and that's difficult
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to make plays in the passing game if you have
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: no instructure rhythm throws, and next Gen actually tracks those
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: types of plays quick game, rhythm extended and he just
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: look at his numbers on rhythm situations and it's not pretty.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: So that's the biggest thing that I would say as
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the third bucket here. It's never one thing. I know
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: everybody always wants to say, like, what's the one thing
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that we can all point to, But I feel like
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: we just described the whole puzzle and why it's not
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: fitting to the quarterback. Could be a little bit more aggressive,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: could be a little bit faster through things. The offensive
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: line is obviously a mess and a train wreck, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: pass protection and there might be some design, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: receiver route riding elements that could be improved as well.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Hopefully they can at least improve some of it. You
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: can't fix everything right, so hopefully there's like a few
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: things that they can tweak here and there to try
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to improve it. I do want to get to three up,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: three down or did you have anything else?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah? One more thing on that game of just back
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to the offensive line. Yeah, and we talk about moving
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: mikeel and Winno inside to guard potentially down the road.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So now you have Leighton Robinson City So at left guard.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I throw Michael Jordan into that competition too. Michael Jordan's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: quietly been one of their ben finast offensive linemen and whatever.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Like City Show is going to come back, Cole Stranger
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: is gonna come back eventually, Michael Jordan should continue to
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: be allowed to compete for the starting guard job because
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: he's been really good.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Andrews, who wasn't great on Sunday, but I thought he
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: was fine as well. I would say Michael Jordan might
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: have beat might be their most consistent guy. Like, you
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: know exactly what you're getting out of Michael Jordan. He's
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: not a people mover. He's got a little bit of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a tardy anchor in pass protection, but on the whole,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: he is not going to be a liability. Like he's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: kind of just a solid, fine veteran guard. I think
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: he's been more than adequate at left guard.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Just want to throw that in.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Wallace playing on Thursday night's big for me.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I just if he can. He's probably not a left tackle.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: If he is forced into playing left tackle for Darien
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Lowe on on Thursday night, we'll have to adjust for that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But just you can still see if he can block guys.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: You know, even if he's playing at a position. If
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: he looks good or just even passable at tackle against
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the Jets, I would probably think about putting him in
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: the starting lineup permanently at right tackle.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only reason I would, The only reason I'm
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: not saying do it this week is because again, you
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: need him at left right once Vanarian Low's back. As
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: soon as that happens, I think you have the conversation
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: about it. Even honestly, even if Kinen Wallas doesn't look great,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I still have the conversation because here we go again,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we were taking a career right tackle with very few
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: reps on the left side in practice and putting him
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: at left tackle. I'm not expecting it to look good.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's indicative of what he'll be on
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the right side. Even if he struggles, I'd still consider
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: putting him at right tackle as soon as you can,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: as soon as Vederian.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Lowe is back, Yeah, as long as The biggest thing
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to me on just watching him play on Thursday night,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: if he does play, which I think we're all kind
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of expecting, is just his play strength and his anchor,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: like if he doesn't get pushed around in pass protection
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and he's able to hold his ground against pass rushers.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Like that's the baseline for every single offensive lineman you, rookie,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: young offensive lineman in the league is simply can you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: handle the power of NFL pass rushers. If he passes
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that test, then the technique stuff for the footwork stuff
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: of him with him flipping sides, like does you can
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: kind of excuse some of that And maybe he's cleaner
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: on the right side than he is on the left side.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm just that's what I would be looking for
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: if you're watching the game on Thursday night, is just it,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: can he hold his ground right against these pass rushers?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: And if he can, then you can kind of work with, okay,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: his hand placement or his feet or whatever. Moving forward,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Let's get into three up, three down, and then we
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: can open up the line. Phone lines eight five, to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: five Pats. Five hundred is the phone number. Web radio
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: at patrons dot com is the email address. Let's start
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: with the ups. We'll start on the up. Well, who's
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: your number one up from this game?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: That's gotta be ke On White. He was so good again. Yeah,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and he's He's doing it from all these different alignments.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He's rushing up the middle, he's rushing off the edge,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: he's doing it without help. He's doing it on different downs.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Dynamic pass rusher. You know, I'm high on ke On White.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think he was this.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another level. He's been something through two games. Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I wasn't particularly I was late to this party. I
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: will fully it was the only pick in that draft
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: you didn't like. I didn't. I know this is gonna people, don't.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Some people make fun of me for using this term.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: His twitchiness is a lot better on the inside than
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: it is rushing outside. And when they let him just
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: kind of rush inside and go with his best move
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and get around guys, he is an explosive, twitchy mover.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And that was the thing that I didn't necessarily see
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: from him before on his college film or like early
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Patriots stuff and some of that, I believe is probably
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: just because he's trying to rush within the structure and
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to get out of his gap and
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: he wants to be you know, structurally sound and keep
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the quarterback in the pocket and like all that Belichick
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: stuff right where it's like so much of it is
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: like about setting the edge and the trash compactor and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: making sure you're not out of your gaps and things
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: like that. Now the Patriots coaching staff has basically turned
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: him into Christian Barmore and they're like, we need you
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: to get after the quarterback, so you just go with
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: your best and rest of us will worry about keeping
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the quarterback in the pocket. Like that. That's sort of
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: been the approach his his swipe rip move like that,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: he just swipes the guy out of the way and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: then rips under. It's it is a go to rush
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: move like that is a go to, you know, top
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: end rush move like some guys like von Miller has
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: the ghost rush, you know, Aaron Donald had the arm
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: over swim like that. Everybody has their go to rush,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and that's his, Like on the inside, you can build
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: off it, obviously, and I'm sure he will. I think
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: he tried that he did beat a block with a
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: spin that that's gonna be very very nice if he
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: had that. You know, there's there's a lot of really
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: good elements to his game. I had as him as
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: my number two up, two sacks, three quarterback pressures, set
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: the edge on that fourth down stop and just you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: uh press the tight end right into the backfield and
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: gave the runner nowhere to go. Like Dugger doesn't run
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that down from behind. If Keon White doesn't just dent
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the edge of the of the line to let him
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: make that play, He's been phenomenal. Like the only thing
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that I would say is now, I'm just worried that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: this is on film and other teams are gonna like
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: start double teaming.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: That will be the question. Well, so that's my thing,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: is ke On White had a good game. How would
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you say the pass rush was as a whole.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Not good enough? Still? I mean, like Joshua is like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the only other guy that brings any juice in the past.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: So this is my thing.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Dietrich, I should I should mention who doesn't play a
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: time for whatever reason.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing less. He's also one of the few
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: guys I didn't realize he's in a contract year. Yeah,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: it's one of the few guys who didn't get an extensions.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So maybe that, you know, the pieces coming together tell
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you how they view the new regime views him. But
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: so this is my thing. Keon is gonna start getting
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: double teams? Yeah, that's just gonna happen. Who's going to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: step up? So other guys are gonna get one on
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: ones now? Yeah, who's gonna step up and win there?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: One on ones? Is it gonna be Josh Uche? I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: know Zamenez just got hurt. Uh, I mean who Maybe
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: they start rushing Tavai a little more, they start bringing
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Peppers from the second level, but I might I wonder
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: how much Pepper's gonna be playing at the second level
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: now because Duggar's gonna have to play there more because
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: he's the green dot. Yeah, we can get to the
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: juwant Bentley injury. I think there's a lot of fallout
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: right that comes from that. But somebody else is gonna
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: have to step up now. In long term, you're gonna
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: have him next to Christian Barmore and that's gonna be
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a ton of fun. Yeah, that's gonna be a whole
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: lot of fun, but still got games to win this year.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Barmore is not gonna be part of it. Somebody else
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: is gonna have to step up when teams start giving
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: key On White that kind of attention.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder you know, Whise I think has
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: been solid. You know, they're playing a lot of their
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: two four five defense where they have like two true
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: d tackles. Yeah, and they're Wise is just not a
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: very like big or like Stout in that sense. He's
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: a big dude, but he's he's like taller and has
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a higher center of gravity. So they're going with guys
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: like Farms a quality next to Godshow. I think that's
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: cutting into his playing time with Wise, Like they've used
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: him a little bit more standing up than they have
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: in the years past, just trying to get him on
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the field. But he's been effective when he has the
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: opportunities to rush the passer. Uh, So maybe they can
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: find ways to get him more involved than other than
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: it's it's a quality, like a quality is the other
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: guy that can bring something to the pass rush and
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: win some one on ones for you on the interior.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: But if there's any negative to come out of the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Keyon White thing. There really aren't any true negatives. But
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the negative is that now every team is going to
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: circle key On White on Tuesdays. Yeah, now he's gonna.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: This goes back to is we and we're not doing
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: it now? But we get near the draft and nobody
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: wants your tackling wide receiver, don't do it. I think
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: not in the first round.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Second round, but second and third day two pass right
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: have an extra third round pick.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Now, I feel like we always have like top three
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: needs and then everything else. I think pass rusher is
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that third need next to tackling receiver.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Agreed. I agree with that.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty clear through two.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Games because they can't right now, they you know, they're
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: they're towards the bottom of the league. I haven't checked
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the updated numbers after last night. I want to say
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: they're thirty first in the league in pressure right on
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: defense and they're towards the bottom of the league and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: four man pressure rate as well. So they've gotten some
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: pressure by blitzing, but right now, when they just rush
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: four guys, it's really Keyon White and a little bit
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: of Joshua Ucha and that's it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: They are. Next Gen stats has them third to last
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: twenty four point one percent. Yeah, Chiefs and Falcons are
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: behind them.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, the Chiefs are down there. Yeah, so they
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: have to be able to generate some more pressure, especially
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: with four guys. Like it's one thing to be able
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: to bring a zero and you get a hurry, Like
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: that's everybody gets a hurry when they bring a zero,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: but like you have to be able to pressure a
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: little bit. My number one up because I'm an offensive
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: guy was Hunter Henry.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him too.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Your career day sets a new career high and receiving yards,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of it early came against zone, some man
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: on third down, ran some really good routes on against
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: man coverage. Had the thirty five yarder on the screen.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: It's more of a scheme thing, but goes in the
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: box score as his thirty five yards. The biggest thing
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: to me with Henry is that there's a clear trust
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: there between quarterback and tight end, and he doesn't present,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't have a whole lot of other guys
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: that he trust fully right now, it doesn't seem so
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: if you take Henry out of that equation, I just
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: don't know where the passing game is gonna be at all.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: So I've been impressed with Hunter Henry really going all
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the way back to the spring in the summer, and
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: he's had a nice start to the year and he
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: was great on Sunday.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: And I would say in addition to trust chemistry, yeah,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: what I was really impressed with with Henry was Brissette
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: was having a run around and break the pocket and
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the play was breaking down, and he just did a
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: very good job of quickly recognizing that was happening, breaking
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: off his route and getting himself to a spot where
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett had an outlet. So he wasn't just running
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: away to throw the ball away, but was scrambling to
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: actually make a play happen. You need somebody on the
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: other side to be able to open themselves up to
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: get the ball. That was what stood out to me,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and I had a Hunter Henry on there too, but
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: his ability to react when the play was breaking down,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and that's something that will translate one Strake Magens and
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: as well. They're gonna need guys that can improvise. There's
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: a certain heard of this offense that just needs to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: be improvisational and it's not gonna be schemed and it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: going to be up to the players on the field
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: making snap decisions. Hunter Henry was really good in that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: regard in this game.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I actually think he did
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: it a little bit with Mac even though Mac like
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: didn't have a ton of improv skill. Yeah, like there
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: was even flashes of it. With a quarterback like Max.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Some more athletic quarterbacks, you can certainly see that more
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: with him. I thought Brissett's maybe his best play of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: this game. They set up like a post wheel to
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk and Tarik Wollen. It was really similar to
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the interception Bo Nicks through in Week one against his
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Seattle defense, where Treik Woollen was like carrying the post
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: but he was baiting. Yeah, he was baiting Brissette to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: make the throw, and as you know, a veteran savvy,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you know, Brissette pulled it down and then he was
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: like okay, but now, like now where am I going
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: with this? And he gets outside the pocket and the
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: zone defender in the middle of the zone comes over
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: to try to tackle Brissette on the scramble and as
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: he's coming over, it opens up a huge void for
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry Henry just sits right there and waits for
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: the ball. Persette gave it to him and got him
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: all the way down inside the red zone. So some
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: really good play there by both the quarterback and the
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: tight end. To your point, who is uh? So we
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: both had Henry and Kean White who's number three?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson, Yeah, we had kind of the same right, Yeah,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: needed to see this from Antonio Gibson. Good game, finally healthy.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Ramandra Stevenson excessive workload, especially on a short week now,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: but good, do do it?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Do it? Do they? Remondra Stevenson excessive?
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I think already didn't already do it? Did you earlier
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: in the show? All right, I did. We'll get to it,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: or maybe I did it on on Patriots Beat this morning.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: But fifty to seventeen shows fifty one touches.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: He leads the NFL.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I know he can he give your Gibson take, I
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: was only okay, Well.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: No, The take is that as good as Stevenson's been,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: he's been good, He's not going to continue to be
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this good if they run him into the ground. And
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I think that the coaches need another back that they
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: trust in order to be able to give Stevenson a
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: breather to Yeah, to give Stevenson a breather. Gibson was
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: on the field more in this game, you know, came
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: off the endo report, was on the field more in
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: this game, and I think gave the coaches reason to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: keep going to him on a short week this week,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: specifically to be really telling to see how much they
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: use him and what that split is. But I don't
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you know, you still got to be able to move
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the ball at Gibson in the game, especially for a
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: team that runs the ball as much as they do.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I think Gibson proved in this game that he's a
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: viable option.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had the running game as a whole as
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: an up, but Gibson was obviously a huge part of that.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: The two biggest things to me with him are just one.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got some explosiveness, Like I really feel
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: like they had the thunder and lightning thing going with
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: those two guys on Sunday, even more so than against
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: the Bengals, when it just kind of felt like it
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: was all Remandre on his shoulders. He has an explosive gear,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: like the forty five yarder he breaks a couple of
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: tackles and pulls away from the defense for a minute
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: there and was in the open field. I would like
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: to see them even feed him the ball a little
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: bit more in those types of space, you know, type
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: of situations, because they just don't have a whole lot
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: of eyes that can break big plays off like that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I think he is one of them. Like I said
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: earlier in the show, I put the whole running game
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: because this was again the best. They ran a lot
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: of downhill duo and stuff like that. Against the Bengals,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: they kind of ditched the outside zone. They ran a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: zone running scheme on Sunday, and they ran it well.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Like that was the first time I've seen a Patriots
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: offense run outside zone outside zone week strong, lead, pin, pull, zone,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: wind back, which is one of my favorites, like all
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: of the zone family. They ran them all and they
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: ran them all well, and that is very very good
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: to see in terms of like building on things moving forward.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I really have felt like they've run the ball. I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: thought the yards after contact numbers in Week one, not
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: to take anything away from Vermandre where a little deceiving.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: They've ran the ball well in two straight weeks. They
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: are one of the better running offenses right now in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Nash Football game in their fourth and rushing yards, total
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: rushing yards top ten in EPA, top ten, and success rate.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: They're running the football well and that is going to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: be their foundation. Now they have to go out and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: scheme some stuff off of it, but that has that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: had to be the foundation. Like if they were gonna
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: come into these games and average two yards to carry,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: then they would have gotten shut out in the first
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: two weeks of the season. So their running game is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: doing something to liven up this offense is actually I'm
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: into it. It's been fun to watch. The way that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: they've designed it, the way that they've blocked it has
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: been interesting and it's been very very you know, forty
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: nine ers esque. We're getting there. There's been some more
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: motion this week, some interesting blocking angles, you know, a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: wrap blocks and you're kind of putting those guys up
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: to the second level and things like that. It's they
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: ran the ball well. This was not Remondro Stevenson broke
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: fourteen tackles and they've grained two hundred yards after contact
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: like no, this was. They actually opened some holes, especially
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: in the zone running game, and got some things going
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: in the run game. That's good. Now, if they can
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: just pass block, they'll have an offer.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll just say that to go back to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about Gibson, I wouldn't hate seeing them
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: use some some twenty one personnel and little Pony well
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: either traditionally, like this is a guy that played receiver
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, and just as a way to get
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: another like you said, explosive ball of Carrer on the field.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: This is a guy that ran a four three nine forty.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Line him up in the slot. They did a couple
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: of times. Line him up, you know, as a receiver,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: as a slot receiver. If you could do that with
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Stevenson in the game, I feel like you can maybe,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you know, if you have them both on the field,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: defense kind of packs the box and then you put
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Gibson out. I've been I mean, I've been trying to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: get them to do this for yeah, I mean going
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: back to time Montgomery, right, I want them to do
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: this where put your running backs on the field to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: use one as a receiver. I guess I'm calling for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: it again.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's see him split out, like if you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: get a matchup against a linebacker, out there, right, maybe
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: he wins on a vertical or wheel or something like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that from the backfield. Like also, you know if you
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: get that matchup out there and maybe they'd zone and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: you have an indicator now and you have a receiver
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: on the inside against a safety or a linebacker type like,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: now you have a matchup on the inside of the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: feel like this is what the Patriots used to do
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: all the time with Brady James, White Veren, you know
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: all those fulk you know all those guys, Like that's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: how you kind of play that chess match in that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that formation game. All right, let's get to the downs.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, let's get to the downs number one. I mean
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: we're see, we like discussed the game and then we
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: do this and it's all discussions we've already had. That's,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I guess is good because it makes a segment move quicker.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Just see offensive line as a whole. You can't really
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: single anybody out again, Michael Jordan was fine, Yeah, so
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: if you want to take him out, but rough rough game.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: If I had to pick one, Mike on Winno, Mike,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: when Winno really struggled in this game.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: So Mike I went. It was on my list, mainly
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: because he's the eighteen million dollar man, Like I'm not
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: gonna sit here and put the offensive line struggles on
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: a rookie in his second career start, or on Vederian Low,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: who's Elliott Wolf's fault, Like I'm not gonna do that,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Like this is this is your eighteen million dollar offensive lineman.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: This is your the guy that's supposed to be the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: anchor of this line moving forward. He's playing out of position.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: All that excuse making is totally fair if you want
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: to play that card, but just in general, like he's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: got to be better than that, especially with the game
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: on the line. Like I thought that was the biggest
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: part of it was. It wasn't just like okay, you know,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: he gave up some hurries early on in the game.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: He got beat in key situations late in the game, right,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: and that they just can't have from the guy that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: they're paying sixty million dollars a year or two over
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: the next three years. So I had on Winu. My
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: number one down though, was actually the defensive coaching staff.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I put Covington and Meyo on this card. I think
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: both those guys are irresponsible for the defense as a whole.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I just thought that they got a little too cute,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: a little too exotic. Yeah, I part of me feels like,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: and this is like a half big take, but part
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: of me feels like they just want to put a
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: bunch of cool shit on film and just like see
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: what happens. Like, sorry, I swear. I was like a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: little swear. Does that count?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of and honestly, I think they to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: a different extent sort did that on the offense set
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of the Yeah, my number two is to play calling
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: on both sides. I think there were there were play
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: calling gaps on both sides of the ball.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: My concern going in was that Covington was gonna be
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit too aggressive with blitzing. Now, my concern
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: watching the way that he wants to run the scheme,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: because we all always have to have a concern, right,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: So my concern with the way that they're running it
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: now is that he's just trying to do all this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like McDonald bravens, like exotic rotations and disguises, and we're
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: bringing guys from every and it's just like trying to flex,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: you know, like I have all these tools in my toolbox,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: whereas like Bill would have just been like, well, they
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: have DK, they have Lockett, they have Smith and jigba. Uh.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: These are our matchups in Manta man coverage. You're gonna
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: have help here and help there. Go get it right.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Especially against the veteran quarterback. It's gonna be a lot
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: harder to fool.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'll get to that in the second with
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: with the Jets. When we start previewing talking about Aaron
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Rodgers number three down.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Special teams, Yeah, two big special I.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Know that you're going to hit these notes, so I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: just don't even need to.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: So Obviously the blockfield goal, I put more fault on that.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I think if that's a thirty nine yard field goal
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: instead of forty eight, they hit it. Yeah, it changed
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the trajectory of the ball, but you always blocked the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: inside man. Austin Hooper went for the outside guy, allows
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Julian Love a free rush. I don't know what happened there.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: We'll see if Austin Hooper's back in that spot this
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: week or if they replace him the other gaff allowing
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a twenty three yard punt return. Yeah, at the end
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of the first half which led to three points. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fault Bryce Bhinger for the kick,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: but he did OutKick his coverage a little bit. But
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: you had O'Shane semen Is missed on a tackle. He
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: had a couple other guys that didn't think they were
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: space well coming down the field and coverage. Barger's gonna
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: kick it a long way. You got to adapt and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: adjust your coverage to compensate for that. So, whatever it is,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be along with twenty three year punt returns,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: especially not in that spot.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a both fair gripes. Like when your margins
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: are as thin as there there as are, you can't
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: be missing field goals and giving up big punt reachers.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: This is how they lost games last year to it,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: you know, Chad Ryland missing field goals and them having
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: gaffs on special teams. Like when you're winning, you know,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: when you have to win on the margins and you
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: have a very very narrow path to victory, you can't
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: be one of those teams that's having those things happen.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Like I hate I let you talk about special teams
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: in game management. That's like your side of the street, yea,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: But when you're talking about these narrow paths to victory
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: with this football team, Like these are all fair gripes,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Like the details need to be buttoned up like they
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: were in Cincinnati. Like that's the way that I viewed
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: at least, all right, So you you gave your three, right,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: it was my.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my three.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, my last one, just to go back to the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. Then I have one like
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: kind of one like last week of fourth one here
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: in a second, just Kyle and Christian Gonzales just together.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know who to blame. I'm not gonna point fingers.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know the call. I don't know the scheme.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: They didn't give us a ton after the game. But
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: you just can't let DK Metcalf run by you for
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: a fifty six yard touchdown. If he mosses you, that's fine,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that that happens. It's he's a really good player. It
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: is what it is, like the assignment breakdowns and the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: mental lapses. I can't have it, like this team cannot
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: afford to give up explosive touchdowns like that.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: And that goes to my point, where like did that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: happen because the play calling was too complex? It might
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: have so that's kind of where ill that.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: It also did sound like Dougar said after the game
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: that he checked into it. Maybe it was too late
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: of a check yeah, and that sort of thing. But like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: can we just go back to their playing cover zero
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and they're in mant to man and you have this
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: guy and I have that guy like for maybe a week,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Like let's let's take I look, I love a good
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: match coverage, all right, I love it. I think when
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: it works, it works beautifully and it looks awesome and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But clearly they have some
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: issues with those coverages of like you know, carrying verticals
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: and who's you know who guys who and things like that.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: You can't have both guys jumped the route underneath and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: then have the best player on the field for the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: opponent just wide open. Like at least they can't happen,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: just can't play.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Fourth and final thing here on my downs list, take
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: them to the hill. They they had an opportunity to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: take them to the hill. They had an opportunity. It
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: was what first and down from the twenty five yard
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: line twenty one? Take them to the hill? Like what happened?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: What did the bam ball.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: What did I say last week? The Seahawks are mentally
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: tougher than the Bengals. They were not going to tap
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: out the way the Bengals did. Yeah, you saw that.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: If you're girod Mao, because it's our job to an
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: extent to come on here and talk about all the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: big picture of like they don't have the personnel to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: do this, they don't have the like all that kind
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: of stuff. But if you're gird Mayo, what's got to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: keep you up at night after that game against Seattle
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: is that you had first and ten from the twenty
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: one yard line with about four or five minutes to go.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You have to take them to the hill mantra, and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: you just you couldn't get points there. You know, like
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: if you get points there, the game's probably over and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: you probably win the football game. Even if you get
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: a field goal out of that drive. I don't know
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: if they're scoring a touchdown against your defense, Like the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: field goal is one thing. A touchdown, I don't know.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: So those are those are our ups and downs. Let's
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: take some of these calls and people have been waiting,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: and then we'll talk a little jets before we wrap
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: things up. Here Patty, if you're still there. You were
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: an aguam and you were on the line. What's up, Patty?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: What's up? Guys?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: How you doing? Sorry to keep you on hold for
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: so long. We had a lot to talk about.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: Hey, come on, you say that every week and every
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: we got it. I tell you, I don't care, it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. I want to bring up a couple of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: things to you guys. The first thing I watched I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: watched a little bit of the Jets game this past weekend,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: and I'll tell you who really impressed me was was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: brailing out. And I wanted to get your guys thoughts
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: on that two headed snake of him and Breeze Hall,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: because I mean, this is probably gonna be our toughest
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: test for a run defense this coming week. And the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: other thing I wanted to bring up and get your
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: guys opinion on was I heard John zana Stay on
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: the postgame show on Sunday night that you know, he
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: understands that Drake may may not play for a long time.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: But he said, and I'm one behind him on that,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: that if he's not gonna play, you've got to get
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: you got to start getting some of these guys like Polk,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: I know he's it is this his Rooki year, but Polk,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: Pop Douglas and Taikwan, you gotta you have to see
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: what you have with those guys. And I just wanted
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: to get your guys thoughts on that. And I'll take
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: it off here. And Evan never apologized to keep me
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: on hold, buddy.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Patty, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: The first point. Sorry he said that. He just said
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of things. Running back, Yeah, we we were.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: We definitely could pull the archives of us talking about
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Braylen Allen during the draft. Wisconsin running back six one
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: two thirty five, like the exact bowling ball that you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: would picture a Patriots back of old Lagarrett Blunt if
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: he will, like you know, type of running back, explosive downhill,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: sturdy runner, like just run run through a you know
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: what's face right type of guy.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a really good run game. That was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: the thing that stood out to me too, Patty, just
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: watching the Jets film, like you always you think about
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and like he's an MVP quarterback and a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer and all this kind of stuff,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: But it really felt like breese Hall and then like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: the complement of Allen, like that was sort of the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: straw that was stirring the drink. Like they the first
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: like three or four plays at the game against Tennessee,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: it's Bresall, Bresall, Bresaw, breese Hall, right, Like they're just
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: trying to feed this guy. We talk about Rogers, we
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: talk about Wilson obviously on the outside, but to me,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: this is the run game and not just the run
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: game with these two guys. They threw touchdowns to both
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: these guys too. You know, Brandon Allen on a screen,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Bresall flexed out on a go route that I was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: talking about earlier with Gibson gets a linebacker matchup, Rogers
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: puts it on him for a touchdown on a on
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: an empty formation. So good running game, good running backs.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Brisall is a stud. He's an explosive back. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: what do you like about Braylen Allen?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I kind of talked about this last week, Just the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: combination of power and agility.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Big downhill runner. But if you just try to square
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: him up and say all right, I'm gonna take the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: hit and bring him down, he can run around you.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: So he's a guy you got it. It takes multiple
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: people to tackle him. And in the modern game, especially
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: when when there's two high safeties a lot and there's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: there's fewer players in the box, he can do some
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: real damage. He can do some real damage. He's also experienced.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: He played a ton even though it's only twenty years old.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I think he's the youngest player in the league.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: He is played it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I think he had over two hundred carries a Wisconsin
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, a guy that that is. He's a challenge
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Classic Wisconsin Big ten football. Yes, this is a Wiscon
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: like Melvin Gordon. Yeah, James White was a little different.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: But they went through all these backs who was John C.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Taylor, Monty Ball, like another one from Wiscon. Not to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: say James White isn't great, but like they had all
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: these just big, powerful downhill runners, and then James White
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: kind of supplemented all of it. He was there with
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon. And there's a third guy in that backfield too.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like Brylen Allen's game from the draft
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: when we were talking about that third running back spot,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and maybe he went higher. I went third round right,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: he went pretty high.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had him as the second best back
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: behind Corum.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a he's a good player. Was the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: other thing? Oh, the receivers. Yeah, look, we all would
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: agreed that I Corey Clement was the other back in
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: the oh yeah, by the way, Oh yeah, they kind
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: of more like a James White type.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Also he was out of bounds, Melvin Gordon, James White,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Corey Clement was a freshman, and Adam Bounds. Yes, yeah,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: h the biggest thing, I yeah, we would all like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, these young receivers. Yeah. I don't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: know if we put Taekwon still in that book. I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: guess it's year three, it's still relatively speaking. But Baker, Pop, Douglas, Oh.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: James White, Melvin Gordon, Monty ball together the year before too.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: That's a been Derek Watt, that's a backfield.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, uh, Jalen Polk, I he's been opened a couple
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: of times. You know you obviously calmed the touchdown. I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: thought he was open on the crossing route, drifted a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: little bit on the route. Would have liked to have
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: seen him level it off, little little like route running
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: thing quickly when you run a crossing route on like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: post cross and those these these bootleg schemes. If you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: get man to man coverage, they want you to stack
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: the corner like they want you to level it off
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: coming across the field so that the corner can't undercut
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: the route. If you're running the route on a crossing
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: round against against zone, then it's just running to the void, right,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: like just take it's a straight line route right into
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: the void on the crossing route that that Jacobi threw
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: at his feet, that wasn't a good throw. But if
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: he levels it off a little bit more coming across
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: the field, it just makes the throw a little bit
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: easier for the quarterback because if Jacobe misses that throw inside,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: now it's a pick right because the corners trailing him
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna undercut it, so he's got to kind
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: of lay it out in front of him, which makes
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: it a harder throw. Just like have the rookie just
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: level it off. He did such a good job of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: it on the play that on Drake May's won in
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: the preseason against Washington. You know that that that's just
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: a little coaching point there, all right, ganesh is in Cambridge.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: What's up, gesh, can.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: You hear me?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, go for it.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: Thanks for taking me call. Yeah, I joined this a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: little bit late, so sorry if by bringing up something
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: that you already talked about. But my point is kind
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: of a two point discussion. So the first thing is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: Coach Mayo keeps stressing after these games and they push
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: the ball down the field, and right now, obviously we're
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: stan at least for the next week. So like, well
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: from at this when in his career, I don't think
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: his you know, actually down the field is that great anymore.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: And his arms trends also was a little suspect during
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: the preseason and he was trying to make some of
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: these throws down the field to Taekwon whatever.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: So I just hope that.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: You know, they don't force him to any make any
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: down the field throws on Thursday, kind of if it's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: in his head or you know, the play call and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: he's kind of he's kind of feeling the pressure to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: make you know, these push the ball down the field.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: And this kind of relates to my part second part,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: which is like, you know, I want to get your
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: y'alls thought on the situation in Chicago that Kile Gilliams
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: is in and personally I feel like the experience that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: he's getting from the first two games, you know, with
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: that situation's offenses and that whole line and some of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: their receivers banged up. But he's still I think, even
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: though his members are not statistically great, I think he's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: still getting a lot of great experience, whether you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: on the on the interceptions, like he's used to making
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: those off platform platform off cuture throws and he's you know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: realizing that what there was he can make and cannot make.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: So I think that relates a lot to you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: May and his game as well. So kind of want
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: to know your thought on Like obviously I don't think
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: he should be they should be put in like this
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: week or next week, but like you know, sooner than later.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: He can only get so much from learning under you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: from seeing from Brissett more get gets more and valuable
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: experience from actually getting these reps on the field and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: seeing what throws he can make and can't make, and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: you know, if it's a quicker or faster or whatever.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks for taking my call and I'm off
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: there now.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the call. So to the first point.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: I agree with the larger point that you don't want
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: it to be like an overcorrection where all of a sudden,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: now they come out Thursday night and their bombs away.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: You don't want to force something you don't have the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: ability to do. That doesn't help anybody.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one thing, you know, I mentioned
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: it when we're talking about a VP is just they
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: did it once in Cincinnati where they came out of
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: halftime and they just threw like an iso go ball
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: to Taikwan.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Which Pulk was open on the other side.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily love that, right, it's not the best.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that I do see with Jacoby
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: that he can do is kind of make those dropping
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: in the bucket like over the shoulder throws. He's not
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: necessarily going to like drive one into a tight window
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: down the field, you know, a post in between two
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: safeties or something like that, or hit a sixty yard
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: bomb down the field, but he can take a chunk
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: out of the defense if he can get you know,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Taekwon or Polk, you know, give him a chance or
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: whatever on one of these vertical routes. Like just that's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: the part of that I don't see them doing a
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: ton of or Jacobi not looking a ton for is
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: like if you have press coverage and you have a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: matchup where you have Taekwon against the corner and man
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: to man and it's clearly pressed on the outside, Like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: just every once in a while, just give him a chance, right,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Like throw a ball that's only going to be caught
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: or going to be out of bounds, Like don't don't
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: turn it over on purpose or anything silly, but just
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: get like every once in a while, once twice a game,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I would like to see them just kind of give
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: them a chance to make a play on it. Like
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I thought the game in Cincinnati was an example of that,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Like it didn't work, but at least they gave it
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: a chance to see if they could take a chunk out.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you said, don't, just don't force it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Just don't. If they come out and force them, gonna
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: be really worried because now it's like, all right, so
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: the fans are calling the plays right right, stick to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Can you make it work organically?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Can can you find ways within your system to help,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: whether that's figure out ways to improve the pass blocking
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: or figure out other ways to create explosive plays where
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not, you know, as much of a factor
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: that they can't work the ball down the field.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's tough, Like they can't block a
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: play like leak right, Like it just takes too long,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Like they can't They're trying to run these bootlegs and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: like hit receivers down the field and Jacoby's having issues
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: making those throws on the move and there's pressure in
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: his face some of the time too, and that doesn't help.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Like you it just seems to me like they're gonna
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: have to just like have them drop back, pop up
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: and throw go ball and like that Taekwon or Polk
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: or someone just makes a play on a ball out
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: there and it's not efficient. Like that's not a good
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: way to live, right, We've seen that over here here
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, like trying to force
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: feed that to like DeVante Parker or something like that,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and it's it's not a good way to live. But
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: that's sort of where they're at with that. William is
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: in Philly. What's up, William? William? You're there, William?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: He lou one.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Two three, all right, give us a callback, William And
• 1:21:31
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  Speaker 2: New England Patriots. I want to talk a little Jets.
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  Speaker 2: I know we got some calls. I'll get you guys
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: in the second, I promise, but I do want to
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: get to some of the things about the Jets before
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: we wrap it up here. Start with Rogers. He's not washed.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but he's a rusty like. I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: think That's where I'm about like comfortable going with it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: for now. I need to see more before I'm gonna
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: say he's washed. He's still got that ability to make
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: some throws from some different arm angles and like feather
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: go balls like over the shoulder and things like that.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Had a beautiful one to Garrett Wilson, and Wilson made
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: a great adjustment almost like wrong shouldered it and then
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: he kind of came back and made the catch. You know,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: he still has that like if you give him that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: matchup on the outside, Roger's gonna pop up and he's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: gonna throw that thing. Like that's right, that's where he's at.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: There were some wonky play in the pocket. I thought
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: from this Tennessee tape like he just missed gett I
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: sent one to you over text actually like just missing
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson wide open and then just kind of seeing
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: ghosts and running into pressure. The stats very early on,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's very very early. His under pressure and under
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: blitz pressure stats are not good. And that sometimes can
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: come with a forty year old quarterback, Like you see
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: them take those hits. He gets hurt, you know last
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: year on a hit like those things can come. Don't
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: think he's like the improviser or the mobile athlete that
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: he once was too, which maybe is part of it.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have that, you know, es capability that
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: he once did. But we talked about it with the
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Seahawks review. The big thing to me with this Jets
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: offense and with Rogers is that what he's good at
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: still is hunting matchups and getting the ball out quickly.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: He has the second fastest time to throw in the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: NFL right now, two point two six seconds. He's barely
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: ever under pressure because he's never waits for the pressure
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: late career.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Brady, Yeah, I think you compared him to that last night.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I'll just say on the offense as a hole and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Rogers is a part of this, it still feels pretty discombobulated.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: It still doesn't feel like there's a lot of chemistry.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: There's still things that look like the Zach Wilson Jets. Now,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: obviously Rogers is a lot better than Zach Wilson, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of Zach Wilson's problem was he
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: he was not concerned with the other ten guys on
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: the field. Zach Wilson would get up to the line
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: and do Zach Wilson. There was no get making sure.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: But he's set making sure. But he's on the same page.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: You know that basic quarterbacking stuff that comes with playing
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the position. Rogers is obviously better about that, but there's
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: still times where I look at it and it's like,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: did these guys all just start playing together last week?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Like they don't look like a team that it's really
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: on the same page offensely defensively is the exact opposite.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to come across what I'm saying that
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: the whole team, but the offense still looks Jets ish,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Yeah, and some of
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: that might just be its early in the year and
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: watch this will be the game that suddenly everything clicks
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: for him and everybody's back on the same page. But
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: really short week, you don't expect them to maybe make
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: a ton of strides. Now it's up to the Patriots
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: capitalize off of that. The thing about an offense, it's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: not on the same page. They're easy to turn over
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: and no turnovers last week? Boy was that game calling
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: for one. The defense needs to take advantage of this
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: turnovers plural this week if the Patriots want to win
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: this game.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Just I said it earlier about all the disguises and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: the exotics and like all this stuff that they're they're
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: trying to run defensively. This feels to me like a
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: week where you throw all that out and you say, Gonzo,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: you got Garrett Wilson will give you some help over
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: there every once in a while, and let's stop the run.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Let's game plan Breese Hall and have some some tricks.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: You know, when he goes out wide. We're not gonna
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: put Jilani Tavai on Breese Hall outside, We're gonna put Dugger.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: We're gonna put you know, a safety type or a
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: cover type over there. Let's game plan Breese Hall. Let's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: get Gonzo on Garrett Wilson like he was last year
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: in that matchup early in the season, and let's just
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: do what we do, Like, let's not try to confuse
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. You are not going to confuse Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: He's seeing everything. And this is not the week to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: just like start to spin the dial and have all
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: these crazy, crazy disguises and coverage rotations and things like that.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: I want to see them get It's a Thursday night
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: game to begin with, so that's a big part of it. Like,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: you're not going to reinvent the wheel in three days.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: You're not going to have a Super Bowl game plan
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: on a Thursday night football game. So get back to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: your basic core stuff and just do what you do best.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: I still come back to with this defense that they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: what they do best is shadow guys and play man coverage.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Like that to me is still there has to be
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: their bread and butter. And right now, I'm not sure
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: if they have something that they are fully trusting that
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: this is like who this is our identity identity defensively,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: like this is what we right now they want their
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: identity to be. We don't have an identity, and I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: don't know if I necessarily love that. Like I'd much
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: rather them have at least one thing. You know, we're
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: a man to man defense, we're a pressure defense. We're
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: this like have one thing that you can just lock
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: in on and say that this is what we're really
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: good at. I hope that comes back this week and
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: then I would you know, normally you would say you
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: don't blitz a quarterback like Rogers, right because polls guys
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: out of coverage and he's going to see it and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: he's going to get the ball out quickly. But I
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: would test it because the numbers, like I said, early,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: you mentioned the chemistry and sort of the rhythm of
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: the offense is a little bit off. It doesn't seem
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: like he knows where his outlets are against pressure, and
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have the mobility that he had five years
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: ago to run away from guys in this league. So
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: if you get to him and you hit him, I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: do think you could rattle him a little bit at
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: this stage of his career. Looked like Tennessee did a
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: little bit early on in that game, like he had
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: some dropbacks are I was like that, where is he going?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: You know, like, what are we doing here? It doesn't
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: look like Aaron Rodgers. So I wouldn't blitz him often,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't come after him fifty percent of the
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: time anything like that. But I don't hate just seeing
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: if he's gonna see some ghost. See what happens if
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: you turn the pressu out, Yeah, turn the heat up
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: on them all. Yeah, Yeah, that's what happens when you
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: turn forty, right, Like it does all of a sudden,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: your mobility just isn't as good as it once was.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Unless yeah, well even him. You know, the biggest difference
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: with Brady then I see with Rogers is Rogers is
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff near the line of scrimmage. Like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: it's just that quick slide of hand with him, you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: know that he's always had, whereas with Brady, he was
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: just throwing bombs. Like he just hit the top of
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: his drop and he just throws. You know, this is
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit different, but the same thing. You know,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: after a while, all these quarterbacks, especially when you get
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: hurtles late in your career and you have such a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: serious injury like Rogers had with his achilles, you can
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: you can see that happening. They're very a sort of
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say one dimensional, because they they
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: do run a pass okay, but like it's very it's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: like two guys. It's Breese Hall, it's Garrett Wilson, and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: then like maybe Brandon Allen's like starting to emerge a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: little bit. But it's the run game and the backfield
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: and all that. It's a kind of similar category. And
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: then it's like nothing else, you know, like they really
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: don't have anything else. Like Lazard is okay, they try
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: to get him involved because he Rogers is in the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: circle of trust with Rogers from the Green Bay days,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: but like there's really nothing that like terrifies me out
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: of this passing game outside of Garrett Wilson and like
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: if you get a bad matchup with Briest Hall, you know,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: like those are kind of the two things. Defensively for
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: the Jets. It's they're playing a little bit more man coverage,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: but it's early, Like I'm not ready to say that
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: that's a true trendsetter. They are a quarters cover three defense.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: They play it really really well. They have not very
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: many bells and whistles. They don't blitz a ton, they
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: don't do a ton of crazy things on their defensive
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: side of the football. They just have three really good
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: layers to this defense.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: So a couple things. You got to be able to
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: run the ball again. Yeah, I'm gonna go back to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: a game playing point I made last year for the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: opener against the Eagles. Tell Hi if you remember this one. Yes,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: for the Patriot to have success comes down to very
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: simple math. I am gonna use math. Oh, good, five
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  Speaker 1: being greater than four. They are gonna rush four guys, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all they're gonna do. Yeah, can your five
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  Speaker 1: blockers stop there four rushers? You're going to have an
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  Speaker 1: advantage in terms of the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: They actually may have an opportunity to get Cobra set
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  Speaker 1: some time. Now. This is also the best secondary they're
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: playing it. I don't think guys are gonna be running
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  Speaker 1: open as regularly as they were in those first two games.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: But this game is set up for you to actually
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  Speaker 1: have some time to throw if you can get it.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna have a rookie right tackle at left tackle
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  Speaker 1: there Michael Win who's gonna be back at right tackle
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  Speaker 1: where he struggled. They're not gonna have a lot of depth.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: First all, everybody's hurt, period, Like everybody's dealing with something,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: even if they're playing. They don't have a lot of depth. Like,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to manage there. But if you can
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: make five greater than four, you might have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: Miss mass Special of the Week the Patriots offensive line
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  Speaker 1: against the Jets defensive front. This is the number one
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: pass in the league against the number pass which blocking again,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: it kills me. You have five guys to block four guys.
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  Speaker 1: I know they're good, but that should be in the
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: offense advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have some injuries, you know, Jermaine Johnson's out obviously,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Hassan Reddick is not playing, but a friend of the program,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Brandon Thorn always posts puts out like a matchup column
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: about the trenches, like offensive defensive line. Usually he picks
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: one matchup where he's just like red alert, like this
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: is not a good matchup for this team. I would
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: have to think that the Patriots offensive line against the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Jets front is going to be number one on his
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: list like that, It is a huge mismatch Quentin Williams,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Like I see nightmares of Quentin Williams at this point, and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're probably gonna line him up right across
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: from lane Robinson. Yeah, he had, say good luck rookie.
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  Speaker 2: In two games last year against the Patriots, two sacks,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: twelve quarterback pressures, six and six twelve quarterback pressure. He's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: a menace. He's still on the field. We'll see about CJ. Moseley.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like he's kind of up in the air a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: little bit with his status on the short week. But
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: their defense, it's very sound. They do what they do,
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  Speaker 2: they do it at a really high level. They don't
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  Speaker 2: give up a lot of chunk plays. Not that the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: Patriots are making a lot of those, but they just
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: don't in the passing game, and they are a team
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  Speaker 2: that is designed to make you march like they are
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: gonna make you go in the past game five six yards.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's an advantage for the Patriots here because the
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Jets are set up to take away the thing the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: Patriots aren't doing anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those teams that you know,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: this defense and the way they're built defensively is for
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: the modern game, right like they are built to stop
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: josh Allen Intua in like these high power offenses where
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: they're gonna say, we're gonna make you snap the ball
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  Speaker 2: as much as possible. We're gonna make you go on
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: a ten twelve thirteen play scoring drive. We're not gonna
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: give it to you in one play. The Patriots only
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: go on ten twelve thirteen play scoring drives. Last thing
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: about this matchup on side of the ball, I would
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: say that this is a week where they probably ditch
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: outside zone. Again, this is not a defense you want
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  Speaker 2: to go sideline to sideline against. Run out of speed
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  Speaker 2: right at them, right like, just get on some double teams,
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  Speaker 2: maybe some counter or some draw or something like that
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  Speaker 2: to get those guys up the field, because they will
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  Speaker 2: go up the field like in a hurry and try
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  Speaker 2: to get downhill. On this team, this is a gap
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  Speaker 2: run game. This is not trying to you know, make
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  Speaker 2: it to the corner, especially they you know, big thing
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: about Quarters defenses is that the safeties are freed up
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  Speaker 2: to run the alley in the run game. So even
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: though it's it's a too high shell and you think
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: you have this light box, if you try to get
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  Speaker 2: to the alley, those safeties are just going to fast
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: flo out of the alley really quickly. That's like what
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: makes Quarters actually a pretty good run defense, honestly. So
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  Speaker 2: that's a tough part about it. Just watching their tape
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: last year. Browns played this team in Week seventeen the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: last year, beating them thirty seven to twenty with Joe Flacco,
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  Speaker 2: and they just ran the ball right at them, like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: they ran some jumbo with like two tight ends and
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  Speaker 2: at tackle eligible. They had like seven dudes and one
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver out wide and they just ran it right
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  Speaker 2: at him. And that's exactly what I expect them to
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  Speaker 2: do again this week. They can run on this team.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that they can run on this team. The
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Niners did in Week one. Yeah, the Niners did in
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Week one, the Browns did last year. The Patriots ran
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: on them a little bit last year. The passing game
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be what we've seen for the first two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: But I really do strongly believe that as long as
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  Speaker 2: they don't get married to outside zone and they don't
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: try to win foot races to the corner against this team,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: they can run on this football team, especially if Mosley
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  Speaker 2: doesn't play like that. That's a big part of that.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like there Bentley. So I would say, run
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  Speaker 2: it right downhill at them, and uh and you know,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: just picking yeah, pick it apart in the passing game,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: pick those short zones apart, just thinking dunk it down
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: the field, and it's not gonna be pretty, but you'll
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: shorten the game and you'll have a th team plays
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: scoring drive at some point and hopefully that will get
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: you into a sixteen to ten game like you had
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Really take these last two calls, and then
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: we got to get going here to practice. But William
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: is back on the line. What's up, William? Hey, how
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: you doing doing well? What you got all right?
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  Speaker 6: All right? Okay, so just well one is not really
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: a question though I just want to I got to
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: get you some break, and I can't believe I'm doing this.
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  Speaker 6: All right. You kind of won me over with the
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: tackle name thanks to Alex. He was saying and watched
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: LSU game. I guess when he played South Carolina. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Will Campbell is Yeah, he's legit, man.
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  Speaker 1: That was like his worst game of the year too.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is freaking out about that game. Yeah, sorry, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: sorry not to cut you off with him. Everybody was
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched it, but everybody's freaking out that he
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: was terrible. PFF had him with two quarterback pressures along
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: One of them was like he got walked back and
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: it was like the third play the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's probably why.
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  Speaker 1: Also the other thing, people don't know South Carolina's ends studs. Yeah,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: like neither one of them are gonna be in the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: draft this year. The both two young. One is a
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: true freshman, but future first round probably top fifteen picks,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: all right. Emery Jones, the other tackle, who's a projected
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: first round pick, didn't have as good of a game,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: so I think they got bunched together. But yeah, if
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: you like Will Campbell in that game, you're gonna be
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: really impressed when you see him for the rest of
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: the year.
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  Speaker 2: If that's his worse then right, exact, pretty good shame? Yeah,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: what it else he got William?
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  Speaker 6: Okay? And last or not least since Alex do this
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 6: out there time? All right, you gotta splink manack. You
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: explain it to me, Alex, Like what okay, you're saying
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: their page? Uh if they can go back to DK Metcalf,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: what would a trade or something look like? Because I
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: don't know how him here and you already you got
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: declined two times with Calvin Ridley and Brandon I even
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 6: though we should see their pitchers are not scared to spend.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: But the fact is, how you going to bring him?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: How would that work?
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  Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: Could you give me some type of lamp?
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  Speaker 4: Like what would that look like?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So thanks for the calling.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Here's the call. DK Metcalf is essentially in the last
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: year of his deal. He's under contract next year, but
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: there's no guaranteed money in a thirty two million dollar
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: cap hit, so that's obviously no go for either side.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Like he's not playing on that. He's gonna need a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: new contract, just like all these receivers do, and at
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: some point I'm sure the Niners will look to the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Seahawks will look to move him. Now, look, they're off
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: to a two and zero start, so maybe this kind
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: of throws a wrench in my plan. I didn't think
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be that good. Still a lot of season left.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: They feel like a team that's at a natural rebuilding point.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Gino Smith is not a long term answer. Quarterback Tyler
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: Lockett's aging out. They've got some older players on the
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball as well. Does does dk
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Metcalf want to stick around for that? Do they want
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: him rather than maybe the picks they could get to
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: help the position themselves to draft a quarterback or just
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: reload that offense overall? What does a trade look like?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I think you make the same trade you made with
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Brandon Ayu. It's a second, a fourth, and either another
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: high Day three pick or a player. I don't know
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: how much they want Kendrick Borne, but like you throw
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: in a second or fourth this year, throwing a third
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: or fourth next year on top of that, and then
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: you give him you offer him essentially you're gonna offer you.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be a little more because it'll
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: be a year from now and the GAP's gone up
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to, you know, equate the inflation
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: the league with that. But to me, that's what it
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: looks like. That that's how you get it done. And
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: does he want to come here? I guess it's the
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: last part of that that he was asking about. Well,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: that's where Drake May comes in. Does Drake May show
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: enough this year that you can sell the DK Metcalf?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: This is the guy we're gonna have thrown you the football.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: And DK Metcalf sees that and says, yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to put up some numbers with
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: this guy throwing me the football.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we always look at the list. It's not
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: the guys like Higgins that are going into free agency,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: it's the pre agency guys. It's the guys that are
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: gonna be free agents in twenty six because those are
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: the guys that are gonna start wanting contracts now. They're
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: going to start to run themselves.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I would say, especially Metcalf, because again it's just not
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: realistic for either side. This isn't a thing where like
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: one side's gonna have leverage because it's favorable. Metcalf has
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: no guaranteed money and the Seahawks have a thirty two
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: million dollar cap. I don't know why this year.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Exists in his contract, yeah, honestly, and like it's not
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: as fifty year option, right, No, I think this is
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: his second contract.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know what this is. Maybe Pat's cap.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Miguel could explain this better than me, but he's not
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: playing on that. He's not. There's no way.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's that Mark?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, guys, Evan, I think this might be more of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: a question for you, but I understand. Uh, Pop, our guy,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: Pop Douglas is very you know, discruptled over the last
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: two games, and I see why, and I wanted to
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: get your take on it. Yeah, there's no bunch form
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 7: there's no bunch formations going on. There's no quick crossing routes.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: There's no quicksplan that would.
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  Speaker 3: Unlock Pop Douglas. And you know guys like that, you
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: know Baker, You know those kind of guys can get
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: open quick. And I don't understand when you have bad tackles,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: those are the kind of plays that you want to
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: run because your quarterbacks are not going to be getting
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: killed back there. So what is your guys your sake
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: why they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Doing Yeah, thanks, thanks for the call. Markets. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good point and I wish we had a little bit
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: more time to dissect it, but just quickly on Pop.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I have like three theories on Pop Douglas, and I'll
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: try to be as quick as I can. The number
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: one theory that I have that I really feel like
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: is driving the bus here on this because the other
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: two are kind of a little tin foil hattie. The
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: number one theory that I have is that for this
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: style of offense that they're playing, Alex van Pelt does
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: not view Pop Douglas as a base receiver in this offense.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: So when they're in their base early down offense, they
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: are playing a lot of two receiver. It's a lot
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: of twelve personnel, and it's a lot of kJ Osborne
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: and Jalen Polk, right, because they want two guys. Everybody
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: made fun of me. I'll say it again, Marine, even
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: though they made fun of me. They want two guys
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: that can dig out the nickel on duo, right, Like,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna have receivers guys that can block. Yeah,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: they want two guys that can block. See, he made
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: fun of me too. They wanted a really weird way
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: to put that. Well, I said that in a longer
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: rant about the blocking. Okay, all right, they want two guys.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: They need guys. We got practice in seventeen minutes.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: They need receivers that can block. He's one hundred and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: eighty pounds.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: The one thing that he can do on early downs
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: is motion. Right, That's that's really it. They did that
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: a couple times with him on Sunday. That's those were
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: his snaps on twelve personnel or motion. That's all they
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: got in his bag. Like, he's not going to block
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: at the point of attack, he's not going to be
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: in the run fit. They can't have him on the
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: field for those types of things. If this is the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: offense they're going to be. He is not a base
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: receiver in their offense. The second theory, which I really
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: feel like has some validity to it. I don't think
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Jacob Recept particularly likes throwing him the ball. He's talked
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: about it a lot in the summer. He's a shorter receiver.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think Jacob he has a ton of experience
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: throwing to five foot eight receivers. Do you have to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: be really accurate with the football to throw to a
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: guy like that because he doesn't have a big catch radius.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: He also probably isn't going to box out a lot
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: of guys at the catch point either, so you have
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: to put the ball on them like it's got to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: be a good throw. He doesn't look one hundred percent
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: comfortable in my estimation throwing the football to Pop Douglas. Now,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: is that a fair enough excuse? Probably not. But at
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: the same time, he's the one throwing the football, right
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: So I can't sit here and say, Jacoby, you have
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: to do this because he's the one throwing it. He's
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: the one out there on game they doing it. The
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: third theory I have is pacing, Like I don't know
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: if they wanted to force feed him like you mentioned,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: like jet sweeps and screens and like all that, Like
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: you know, it's week two. I don't know if they
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to do that with him right out of the
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: gate and have him take those shots and take those
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: body blows this early on in the season. My I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: would say, if I had to split up the pie,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: I probably go like sixty five percent that his usage
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: and the fact that he's a base receiver or not
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: a base receiver in this offense and there's not a
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: ton of playing time there for him, I'd go, you know,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: kind of split the rest of it between Jacoby and
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: in pacing. But in terms of like the bunches and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: the slants and all that kind of stuff, I have
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: been a little bit surprised that we haven't seen more
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: of that simply because it's a West Coast offense. When
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: they get into their drop back pass game, and that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: is the West Coast offense, right, Like you know, I
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: remember watching like highlights as a kid of Jerry Rice
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: just taking slants like seventy five yards of the house
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: like that. That's this offense. My guess is is that
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of game planning going in for defenses
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: where they're saying like that's kind of what the Patriots
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: are gonna do, right, Like they're gonna throw quick passes
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  Speaker 2: over the middle of the field and try to get
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  Speaker 2: some guys loose, like Pop Douglas. So my guess is
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  Speaker 2: that they're taking some of that stuff away. But those
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  Speaker 2: are my three theories on Pop Douglas and just quickly,
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  Speaker 2: where do you kind of stand on him?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's all I agree with you
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  Speaker 1: across the board. They want receivers that can block. I
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: wonder if there's a trust a level of trust with Jacoby.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: But at a certain point, if you're Jacober set pop Doug,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna help you win games. It's gonna help you, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: keep your job or not even just keep your job,
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  Speaker 1: but like get your job elsewhere next year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a weapon for you.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta figure out a way to get him involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Dad wraps it up for this show.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoy the fact that we just did a
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: show where we didn't like debate about Drake May because
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's like, you know, should he play?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Should he not? Should he not play? Let's give it
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, folks, and see what it looks
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: like on Thursday night. I'm not ready to go there
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: just yet, but we'll see. I will be back normal time,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: I believe next week. Normal Thursday show next week, and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: we'll get back into the swing of things. And then
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  Speaker 2: for the first time, like little Humba brat the first time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to San Francisco. Going to see a game
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: in San Francisco in forty nine ers Land. I'm looking
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