Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Monday Mini: Why Do People Love (and Hate) Haunted Houses?
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane.
- 0:07Speaker 1: Never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Y'all, I have made a huge mistake, and in the
- 0:22Speaker 2: name of my anxieties and insecurities, I have committed to
- 0:26Speaker 2: joining dear co host Annie and friend of course, in
- 0:31Speaker 2: attending Halloween Horror Night in Hollywood Universal. I swore to
- 0:37Speaker 2: you Annie a long time ago I would never go
- 0:40Speaker 2: to a haunted house, and now here I am going
- 0:44Speaker 2: to ten of them? Twelve of them? How many is there?
- 0:48Speaker 1: There's eight, There's ten in Orlando. There's eight in Hollywood.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Oh okay, wow, really there's less the surprising it's much smaller. Okay,
- 0:55Speaker 2: I would think I knew that, but still that's still
- 0:57Speaker 2: surprising to me. And I have tried my best to
- 1:01Speaker 2: prepare through TikTok videos, Like there's been so many creators
- 1:06Speaker 2: who've actually taken videos inside of them, so I feel
- 1:08Speaker 2: like I'm very thankful for them. I'm sure other people
- 1:10Speaker 2: are like, why are you doing this? But I'm very
- 1:12Speaker 2: thankful to them. So I can at least know what
- 1:15Speaker 2: to expect just a little bit. But in the end,
- 1:18Speaker 2: I guess we'll see if I actually survive.
- 1:25Speaker 1: You know that is a whole genre of horror movies
- 1:27Speaker 1: based on.
- 1:31Speaker 2: I've actually read some incidences and I'm like, oh no,
- 1:33Speaker 2: why And unfortunately we have already gone to this by
- 1:38Speaker 2: the time this episode comes out, I believe, So I
- 1:41Speaker 2: can't even get any advice from y'all. You can tell
- 1:45Speaker 2: me your stories, but I can't get any advice. But
- 1:47Speaker 2: we'll update you when we get back if we get
- 1:51Speaker 2: back dot dot dot. Uh. So all of this when
- 1:55Speaker 2: I say my in securities and anxieties, ay, you are
- 1:58Speaker 2: prepared to go by yourself, an excited to do so,
- 2:02Speaker 2: and in my own insecurities and anxieties, the thought of
- 2:05Speaker 2: you going alone really really really makes me uncomfortable and
- 2:08Speaker 2: very very very upset. So I was trying to plot
- 2:11Speaker 2: where my partner goes with you. Unfortunately he has work
- 2:14Speaker 2: coming up and cannot go, so I'm very I was
- 2:16Speaker 2: like son of up okay, and I plotted in like
- 2:21Speaker 2: I'm gonna come with you. Because again, even though you
- 2:24Speaker 2: are very fine with it, I am not very fine
- 2:26Speaker 2: with it. Like it's all me projecting onto you. So
- 2:30Speaker 2: I'm pushing myself to this point and every time I
- 2:33Speaker 2: think about it, like literally Sunday night, I was sitting
- 2:35Speaker 2: with my partner and I do a deep sigh, and
- 2:38Speaker 2: I've been sighing a lot more. My mummy sigh has
- 2:41Speaker 2: come back and listeners. I think we've talked about this
- 2:45Speaker 2: when I first joined where the mummy that they discovered
- 2:48Speaker 2: does this funky sigh, And apparently I did it and
- 2:52Speaker 2: I didn't know it and Andy would laugh every time I
- 2:53Speaker 2: did it.
- 2:54Speaker 1: Mm hm.
- 2:55Speaker 2: And it's come back because I stopped for a while,
- 2:57Speaker 2: it's come back.
- 3:00Speaker 1: I love it.
- 3:00Speaker 2: And it's because I'm thinking this time, next week or
- 3:03Speaker 2: this time at this point, I'm going to be in
- 3:05Speaker 2: a haunted house, and so there's a lot of terror
- 3:12Speaker 2: ahead of time. But I'm trying. I'm getting there. I'm
- 3:16Speaker 2: trying to prep. My biggest anxiety at this point, outside
- 3:19Speaker 2: of like actually falling out, is that, uh, I'm gonna
- 3:23Speaker 2: panic you and I'm going to ruin your time. But
- 3:26Speaker 2: I think the times that we've had where I've done
- 3:28Speaker 2: something that I was uncomfortable with, it become almost comedic.
- 3:33Speaker 2: So that's what I'm hoping for.
- 3:34Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. It is very like a
- 3:39Speaker 1: more intense version of like the Haunted Mansion, which.
- 3:45Speaker 2: I don't love. Like, it's not my favorite, but I'm
- 3:47Speaker 2: not screaming at it, but I am.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Holding on to people. Yeah it's Oh, I could go
- 3:55Speaker 1: into the science about hanted houses, but it's every fourth
- 3:57Speaker 1: person they kind of try to scare. It's mostly jump scares.
- 4:01Speaker 1: It was one that I don't think they have at Hollywood,
- 4:04Speaker 1: and it wasn't scary at all, but it was cool.
- 4:06Speaker 1: We had like like pumpkins growing out of bodies and stuff.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Set design was really good.
- 4:16Speaker 2: I'm hoping that by the time I come out of it,
- 4:19Speaker 2: I'll be okay because jump scares doesn't really bother me
- 4:22Speaker 2: and I think they're funny. But at the same time,
- 4:24Speaker 2: like being in presence of people made up or large
- 4:28Speaker 2: objects freak me the hell out. So this is this
- 4:32Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting. I've already warned Ay that I'll
- 4:36Speaker 2: probably be tugging at her and at the very least
- 4:38Speaker 2: I could at least wait outside of this whatever haunted
- 4:40Speaker 2: houses for her if it gets too stressful. At least
- 4:43Speaker 2: I'll be there with her at Hollywood, Like that's the
- 4:45Speaker 2: biggest point. But yeah, I'm doing this for you, I
- 4:49Speaker 2: love you. But also it's projection. I absolutely take it
- 4:52Speaker 2: on to myself.
- 4:52Speaker 1: I was very confused when you offered. I was like, what,
- 4:57Speaker 1: But I.
- 4:58Speaker 2: Think it's gonna be fun stories tell Yeah.
- 5:01Speaker 1: Well, and I said in my recent happy hour, you
- 5:04Speaker 1: might be laughing at me because I do the most
- 5:07Speaker 1: like gone scream. It sounds very goofy, and I do
- 5:13Speaker 1: it a lot, so.
- 5:14Speaker 2: Well, that's exciting. So because it's quite funny, I purposely
- 5:18Speaker 2: tried not to scare you because I know you get
- 5:21Speaker 2: really traumatized by that. But you enjoyed this. So I
- 5:25Speaker 2: thought it'd be interesting to see what kind of data
- 5:28Speaker 2: was on who loves and hates haunted houses and whether
- 5:32Speaker 2: it was a gender thing. But it turns out there's
- 5:34Speaker 2: really no data for that. But there is that on
- 5:37Speaker 2: the sexism within the industry, which you apparently already did
- 5:40Speaker 2: when I was sick. Apologies I missed that one. And
- 5:43Speaker 2: there's a lot of depiction of it being texast i e.
- 5:47Speaker 2: Domestic violence being used in haunted houses, and apparently recently,
- 5:50Speaker 2: as in like a day or two ago, haunted House
- 5:53Speaker 2: in Alabama came under fire for its depiction of the
- 5:57Speaker 2: domestic violence in their haunted houses. It's not the first
- 6:00Speaker 2: time that a haunted house has come under fire in
- 6:03Speaker 2: the United States, so that apparently is a thing. And
- 6:06Speaker 2: I actually think that I've seen this in hell houses,
- 6:11Speaker 2: which are Christian haunted houses trying to convert people to Christianity,
- 6:15Speaker 2: and they use things like that, which I find even
- 6:18Speaker 2: more horrifying.
- 6:19Speaker 1: But yep, I believe I have as well. One thing
- 6:22Speaker 1: I talked about in this episode, the episode I did
- 6:25Speaker 1: about sexism in the Hanted House is was this movie
- 6:28Speaker 1: that I like, but is it very good called Haunted House. Well,
- 6:31Speaker 1: I don't say that. I won't say it's like a
- 6:33Speaker 1: decent found foot of Torent movie, but it's about a
- 6:37Speaker 1: hanted house and it goes wrong. But I rewatched it
- 6:40Speaker 1: after I did that, and I was like, oh, this
- 6:41Speaker 1: is even more It had even more bad things that
- 6:44Speaker 1: I forgot.
- 6:46Speaker 2: It's not the one where they all buy a house,
- 6:48Speaker 2: is it now?
- 6:49Speaker 1: So they like set up a haunted house and then
- 6:52Speaker 1: of course you know demons or whatever you know. But
- 7:00Speaker 1: there's like a whole plot where you get to the end,
- 7:02Speaker 1: and this was like the big thing they found was
- 7:04Speaker 1: not only like is it mostly men who are making
- 7:06Speaker 1: money from hunted houses, but like usually the end victim
- 7:10Speaker 1: is a woman who is scantily claud who is being
- 7:14Speaker 1: tortured or heard or whatever. And at the plot point
- 7:17Speaker 1: of this is that same thing. You get to the
- 7:19Speaker 1: end room and here's this woman who's like in her
- 7:22Speaker 1: underwear and raw and she's getting about to be murdered.
- 7:27Speaker 1: But they had a bunch of jokes that were not
- 7:29Speaker 1: jokes because we've talked about this too, about like oh,
- 7:31Speaker 1: he's so rapy around her, and like all this stuff
- 7:33Speaker 1: of oh weeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
- 7:36Speaker 1: oh wow.
- 7:37Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah. So one data didn't show all of the
- 7:42Speaker 2: what who enjoyed it necessarily, but it did show the
- 7:45Speaker 2: age range and at the top of the list for
- 7:47Speaker 2: the haunted houses are teenagers and college students, which he
- 7:51Speaker 2: talked about how they're like, this is one of those
- 7:52Speaker 2: things where they dare each other. Yeah, And to be honest,
- 7:56Speaker 2: I as a teenager wanted to try to find ghosts.
- 7:58Speaker 2: I think it was more of college student. I loved
- 8:01Speaker 2: like the ghost shows. I still I haven't watched them
- 8:04Speaker 2: in years because I'm like, you finally get to the
- 8:06Speaker 2: point they're like they never show ghosts, like they're like,
- 8:09Speaker 2: oh there's one. Oh, They're like, well, son of them.
- 8:10Speaker 2: I want to see it.
- 8:11Speaker 1: I want to see it.
- 8:13Speaker 2: It just becomes like irritating at this point. But I did.
- 8:17Speaker 2: I enjoyed like the real ghost stories, even though I'm
- 8:20Speaker 2: a little freaked out by it. But I'd rather go
- 8:22Speaker 2: to that than these jump scares. But I digress. But
- 8:27Speaker 2: it is mainly teenagers and college students, not mainly. They
- 8:30Speaker 2: are at the top of the list. Don't get me wrong.
- 8:32Speaker 2: Everyone enjoys them apparently or hates them one the other.
- 8:36Speaker 2: But I did find a different source that have talked
- 8:40Speaker 2: about a number of reasons why people love these and
- 8:44Speaker 2: they have a scientific study showing something that I think
- 8:46Speaker 2: explains your love for these houses. And in this it
- 8:52Speaker 2: was a Times article. It says, according to a study
- 8:55Speaker 2: recently published in the journal Emotion, after having a voluntary
- 8:59Speaker 2: scare experience, the researchers found people were in better moods
- 9:03Speaker 2: and had decreased brain activity overall. Quote we think is
- 9:07Speaker 2: very similar, at least at a physiological level and neurological level,
- 9:11Speaker 2: to the runners high experience, where you're really pushing yourself
- 9:15Speaker 2: and your sympathetic nervous system is in go mode, explains
- 9:19Speaker 2: study co author Margie Kerr, a sociologist at the University
- 9:23Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh who studies fear. Once you're out of the
- 9:26Speaker 2: scary situation, when where there is never any real threat
- 9:30Speaker 2: to begin with, the feel good endorphins course through the body.
- 9:33Speaker 2: She says it is a reprioritizing of energy of focus
- 9:37Speaker 2: into your body. You're grounded, not being caught up in thinking.
- 9:42Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, that explains any to the core.
- 9:48Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, and we've talked about this. We
- 9:51Speaker 1: did a whole episode on fear that you can check out.
- 9:54Speaker 1: But like, that's the same reason why a lot of
- 9:56Speaker 1: people like roller coasters and horror movies, which I do.
- 10:00Speaker 1: But like when I would go in these haunted houses,
- 10:02Speaker 1: I was with a scream, like scream and then I
- 10:05Speaker 1: would laugh like it was the immediate like oh fear.
- 10:09Speaker 1: Oh that was amazing, Yeah, like because it was just like, yeah,
- 10:13Speaker 1: you feel these emotions and I'm just walking through, like
- 10:16Speaker 1: looking at every corner, I'm looking up. But they're like,
- 10:18Speaker 1: you know, that's just my That's what I'm thinking about
- 10:23Speaker 1: in that moment. Yeah. Right.
- 10:34Speaker 2: So in the same study they talked about the people
- 10:35Speaker 2: they evaluated. So here's some of the findings after going
- 10:39Speaker 2: through the Haunted House. About half of the people reported
- 10:41Speaker 2: being in a better mood, while thirty three percent reported
- 10:44Speaker 2: no significant change and seventeen percent reported worse mood. There
- 10:50Speaker 2: were no significant gender differences. Most people said they felt
- 10:54Speaker 2: happy after going through the Haunted House, while fewer people
- 10:57Speaker 2: reported feeling tired and anxious after the haunted than they
- 11:00Speaker 2: did before. Mood increases were particularly significant among people who
- 11:05Speaker 2: said they had quote challenged their fears and among those
- 11:08Speaker 2: who described the experience as intense and thrilling. Afterwards, people
- 11:12Speaker 2: feel great. It's kind of like the idea of pain
- 11:14Speaker 2: offset you feel better when the pain is removed. Kurr
- 11:17Speaker 2: explains a lot of activity in the body is in anticipation,
- 11:21Speaker 2: and it's in that conclusion where the enjoyment really comes
- 11:24Speaker 2: in this year, So you're going to be in that
- 11:27Speaker 2: like seventy percent sixty seven percent where we'll see for
- 11:32Speaker 2: me okay, okay, or the fifty percent of other So
- 11:38Speaker 2: they go on to explain that brain, the brain kind
- 11:40Speaker 2: of gets to rest during this time that being scared
- 11:46Speaker 2: interrupts their thinking. So the researchers compare this experience to
- 11:50Speaker 2: exposure therapy but fun, and also to meditation. They write
- 11:56Speaker 2: this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Decreased brain activity mean
- 12:00Speaker 2: that people were processing information more efficiently, or it could
- 12:03Speaker 2: simply suggest that they were in a subdued zen state,
- 12:06Speaker 2: almost aChn to meditation Carsas. Considering that quite a few
- 12:11Speaker 2: participants said they felt somewhat dazed after the experience, the
- 12:16Speaker 2: second explanation seems likely carsas did you feel that way?
- 12:19Speaker 2: Do you feel dazed after one of these experiences?
- 12:22Speaker 1: Kind of? I feel like I feel like the Runners
- 12:25Speaker 1: high is a very apt I would say comparison, because
- 12:30Speaker 1: what I do think when I come out, it's sort
- 12:33Speaker 1: of a very like buzzing, like joyous. Oh that was
- 12:37Speaker 1: so fun, like just release and I do I like,
- 12:40Speaker 1: I totally as someone whose brain does not stop a
- 12:43Speaker 1: lot of times, this makes sense to me. But it's
- 12:46Speaker 1: also like when you go with somebody, like there was
- 12:49Speaker 1: one I don't think they have this one at Hollywood Studios,
- 12:51Speaker 1: but it was really fun. There was one where you know,
- 12:54Speaker 1: by this time, we've been through like five hundred houses,
- 12:56Speaker 1: and you're kind of like, I know the tricks of
- 12:58Speaker 1: the Hunt house, but wow. And so my friend Marissa
- 13:01Speaker 1: and I it was a yetie bass haunted house and
- 13:06Speaker 1: right when you came in. It was like this music
- 13:09Speaker 1: and she and I were like dancing like and then this,
- 13:13Speaker 1: yet they jumped out it only screamed so hard and
- 13:17Speaker 1: then we laughed and we like hug each other and
- 13:20Speaker 1: it was just like a really fun because we looked
- 13:25Speaker 1: so goofy, but we allowed ourselves to just scream and
- 13:29Speaker 1: look silly like. I don't know, I enjoy it quite a.
- 13:34Speaker 2: I did find an article where someone talked about why
- 13:37Speaker 2: they hated it, and one of them was because of
- 13:39Speaker 2: those photos. I was surprised, jump pot, She's like, see
- 13:42Speaker 2: this is what you get. Why would you want to
- 13:44Speaker 2: do this to yourself?
- 13:45Speaker 1: I love those as a famous hont house in Canada,
- 13:49Speaker 1: fear Factory where they have the cameras set up right
- 13:52Speaker 1: when the scary thing happens and if you are looking
- 13:55Speaker 1: to like brighten up your day.
- 14:00Speaker 2: Yes, they talked about how, yes, we as the outsider
- 14:02Speaker 2: will always enjoy these pictures, but you, as a person
- 14:04Speaker 2: who participated, why would you do this to yourself? And
- 14:07Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty clearly Yeah, that's probably it all. Yeah,
- 14:11Speaker 2: besides these scientific reasons, we also have those who use
- 14:15Speaker 2: haunted houses as a dating scheme. Yeah, In fact, one
- 14:19Speaker 2: Haunted House advertised six great reasons to bring your girlfriend. Yes,
- 14:24Speaker 2: they said girlfriend to their haunted house. Yes, it's a
- 14:27Speaker 2: sexist and it's heteronormative, like that's the way they wrote
- 14:30Speaker 2: this up. Number one, you get to see her scared face, which,
- 14:34Speaker 2: by the way, I could get any scared face anytime.
- 14:37Speaker 2: Just I just even if I'm sitting next to her,
- 14:39Speaker 2: I'll have to do singing ah, and you'll be like
- 14:42Speaker 2: what ye Literally, I just grunted she was like two
- 14:46Speaker 2: seconds ago while we were talking to each other over internets,
- 14:50Speaker 2: So and now whatever. My partner and I love scaring
- 14:54Speaker 2: each other because we think it's hilarious, unless something like
- 14:57Speaker 2: if we're holding a knife and don't do that, but like,
- 14:59Speaker 2: outside of that, we do do that to each other.
- 15:01Speaker 1: M hm. You're also seeing me scary pictures, which I
- 15:04Speaker 1: find very funny.
- 15:04Speaker 2: I try to put a new one up and I'm
- 15:07Speaker 2: last thing. I'm logged out, so I have to get
- 15:09Speaker 2: that back from you. I try to send one every
- 15:10Speaker 2: Halloween where it's just like you're unexpected.
- 15:14Speaker 1: I love them. And then the.
- 15:17Speaker 2: Second reason was that it's relatively inexpensive, and right here,
- 15:20Speaker 2: our trip is not inexpensive, So that's a lie. Of
- 15:23Speaker 2: course we're doing something extra.
- 15:26Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a wide variety of costs. I would
- 15:28Speaker 1: say there's some cheap ones and there's some really expensive.
- 15:33Speaker 2: Some in between. I think this is the better, Like
- 15:35Speaker 2: whatever you can, you can find one at whatever rate
- 15:38Speaker 2: you want to go, so it's going to be on
- 15:40Speaker 2: par with what you pay for. I know there's that
- 15:42Speaker 2: one place where you can win like five to ten
- 15:46Speaker 2: thousand dollars more twenty thousand dollars if you make it
- 15:51Speaker 2: through and there's no rules except for don't kill the person.
- 15:54Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Yeah, and they hire apparently like a fin to purposely
- 16:02Speaker 2: do things. Wow.
- 16:03Speaker 1: See there was one in it near Atlanta that was
- 16:06Speaker 1: rumored to do that, and then I went to it
- 16:08Speaker 1: and that was all. It was not scary at all,
- 16:12Speaker 1: and I did not get any money.
- 16:14Speaker 2: What was the one that's like the thirteen floors? Is
- 16:17Speaker 2: that the one you're talking about? Yeah, and then everyone's like,
- 16:19Speaker 2: if you can make it to the final floor, you
- 16:21Speaker 2: get money.
- 16:21Speaker 1: But nah No. But a clown sneezed in my face
- 16:24Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure that's where I got swine flu.
- 16:29Speaker 2: New Fear Unlocked Okay. Number three is she'll want to
- 16:33Speaker 2: stay close to you the entire time. And I'm already
- 16:37Speaker 2: threatened to Annie with a backpack leage because she keeps
- 16:39Speaker 2: talking about running away. So maybe this is her trick,
- 16:41Speaker 2: trying to get me close to you.
- 16:43Speaker 1: That's what you're figured me out so quickly.
- 16:48Speaker 2: I get you. You'll have the chance to show her
- 16:51Speaker 2: you can protect her, and he's already talked about running away,
- 16:54Speaker 2: so I guess that's not a boy no, which I
- 16:57Speaker 2: find hilarious, Like, really, this is how you're gonna off
- 17:00Speaker 2: you can protect her at fat Okay, yep, you'll get
- 17:03Speaker 2: a chance to show off your bravery.
- 17:06Speaker 1: Okay, I have so many thoughts about this, but I'll
- 17:08Speaker 1: let you finish up, uh huh.
- 17:10Speaker 2: And then it'll be hilarious so you can also make
- 17:13Speaker 2: fun of her.
- 17:13Speaker 1: Okay. So, as she said, this is very sexist, but
- 17:18Speaker 1: also the running joke is it's the opposite. What happens
- 17:21Speaker 1: is this guy invites you on a date, right he goes.
- 17:25Speaker 1: I've seen this happen. It was not a very scary
- 17:28Speaker 1: hunted house in my small town. It was perfectly fine,
- 17:32Speaker 1: and it was very scary. First room, he freaks out,
- 17:36Speaker 1: runs out the exit, leaves her by herself, and we
- 17:38Speaker 1: adopt her into our group. Like it's a running joke
- 17:41Speaker 1: that they all these dudes think they're gonna look really
- 17:44Speaker 1: cool in it. But then there's screams.
- 17:49Speaker 2: I've seen Madia videos where and it also it was
- 17:52Speaker 2: like it can also tell you they didnt abandon many
- 17:59Speaker 2: of them, Like what the hell? Yes, while you're useless,
- 18:03Speaker 2: So I'm doing my own thing type of thing, which
- 18:06Speaker 2: is quite funny. Yeah, so Annie, I see your tricks.
- 18:11Speaker 2: I'm sure this will be the best date ever.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure.
- 18:17Speaker 2: We'll report back to y'all. I think this is going
- 18:19Speaker 2: to be like, so this is our first this is
- 18:20Speaker 2: the Monday Mini after the fact that pre recorded. So
- 18:24Speaker 2: we'll come back and do another Monday many and let
- 18:26Speaker 2: you know how it went.
- 18:27Speaker 1: Yes, we will. And I hope that you have a
- 18:29Speaker 1: good time.
- 18:30Speaker 2: Only time will tell.
- 18:31Speaker 1: The only time will tell.
- 18:33Speaker 2: I want to make sure you have a good time,
- 18:35Speaker 2: so no need to worry about me. I'll figure it out.
- 18:38Speaker 1: I appreciate that I have a ton of bracelets, so amazing. Yes, yes,
- 18:45Speaker 1: so I appreciate it. I think it will be somewhat fun.
- 18:49Speaker 1: It's funny to me.
- 18:50Speaker 2: Too.
- 18:50Speaker 1: Every time we go to LA we have some kind
- 18:52Speaker 1: of date thing.
- 18:54Speaker 2: Every time, and thus far we've been making some good
- 18:56Speaker 2: stories on our travels, so that's true.
- 19:02Speaker 1: Oh one, Well, thanks Samantha. Thanks to you listeners. If
- 19:08Speaker 1: you have I think this might come out before I
- 19:11Speaker 1: think it might be too late for a US.
- 19:13Speaker 2: Yeah.
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