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The Kenny Report | 22 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Another Australian Islamic state jihad has found alive in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East and possibly heading home. The Middle East war
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  Speaker 2: escalates and the New York mayor attacks the Israeli Prime minister,
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  Speaker 2: the work from home debate. Are our public servants having
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  Speaker 2: a lend of us. We'll check in on the UK too,
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  Speaker 2: the new PM there and the murder of the former
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  Speaker 2: MP and Reform Party spokesperson, and on the Wednesday wrangle
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  Speaker 2: with Justin and James. We'll see whether they reckon. We
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  Speaker 2: should change the Australian flag. With yet another Australian Islamic
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  Speaker 2: state operative found to be alive in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: we are confronted by the question of how to respond,
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  Speaker 2: whether to allow back into our country people who took
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  Speaker 2: up arms against the West, against non Muslims, against Us,
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  Speaker 2: against silviation.
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  Speaker 1: The Australian newspaper has.
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  Speaker 2: Tracked down the foot the Perth born former Adelaide pediatrician
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  Speaker 2: Tarik Kamlay, in custody in Iraq, known across the media
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  Speaker 2: as doctor g Had Camlay, was involved in medical work
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  Speaker 2: for the Caliphate.
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  Speaker 3: These kids are still only here and their families are
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  Speaker 3: only here because they're wanting to live under the law
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  Speaker 3: of Ola.
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  Speaker 2: But video also exists of him in terrorist fighting mode.
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  Speaker 3: To old Trump, we were so happy because for a
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  Speaker 3: long time we have been waiting for your soldiers to
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  Speaker 3: meet us on the ground here, and your effeminatee predecessor
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  Speaker 3: Obama danced around this subject for two longs. We love
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  Speaker 3: death more than you love life.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently the Australian was captured during the dying days of
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  Speaker 2: the caliphate and is being interrogated in the Iraqi prison.
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  Speaker 4: We won't be providing any assistance to this individual or
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  Speaker 4: that cohort, just as we haven't provided assistance to women
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  Speaker 4: and children who've returned recently. And if anyone has done
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  Speaker 4: anything in breach of Australian law, they will face the
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  Speaker 4: full force of the law if they return.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that, of course is what the albineazy labor
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  Speaker 2: government always said about the so called ISIS brides. Yet
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  Speaker 2: they came back into Australia. Some are facing terrorism charges.
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  Speaker 5: We do not facilitate the return of ISIS fighters or brides.
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  Speaker 5: We have no sympathy for anyone who's participated in ISIS.
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  Speaker 5: One of the most evil terrorist organizations the world has
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  Speaker 5: ever seen. He made choices. He's got to live with
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  Speaker 5: the consequence of those choices, including if he returns facing
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  Speaker 5: the full force of the law. Obviously, prosecutors will make
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  Speaker 5: those decisions independently, but anyone who thinks as an Australian
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  Speaker 5: citizen they can go overseas and participate potentially in criminal acts,
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  Speaker 5: terrorist acts, will face the full force of the law
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  Speaker 5: on return if they return again.
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  Speaker 2: All this is hard to swallow and understand given the
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  Speaker 2: ISIS bride and Labors welcoming also of thousands of Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: from the bad lands of Gaza without proper security checks.
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  Speaker 6: They can ensure that this person does not get a passport.
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  Speaker 6: They can use temporary exclusion orders. We have put legislation
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  Speaker 6: in front of the Parliament to prevent third parties from
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  Speaker 6: helping people like him Terris back into the country.
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  Speaker 1: ISIS is a brutal.
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  Speaker 6: Organization and anyone who has been part of it and
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  Speaker 6: has been offshore as part of it should not be
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  Speaker 6: coming back to our country. The Labor Party should not
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  Speaker 6: be rolling out the red carpet for anyone like this.
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  Speaker 2: All this, of course plays into the ongoing national debate
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  Speaker 2: about immigration and multiculturalism. Liberal Party federal president former Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Tony Abbott clarified his comments about multiculturalism last night
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  Speaker 2: on Kredlin. He talked about our longstanding national culture.
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  Speaker 7: That's what attracts migrants to this country, and we do
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  Speaker 7: them no favors, let alone ourselves if we suddenly change
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  Speaker 7: our culture supposedly in order to please migrants. Now, there's
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  Speaker 7: no doubt that multiculturalism as practice in recent years has failed,
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  Speaker 7: and the chief symptom of that was the Bondai massacre.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a fair way to describe the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be absurd to say that multiculturalism has failed overall.
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  Speaker 1: You just look at the.
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  Speaker 2: Success of this country over the past one hundred years.
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  Speaker 2: But the Bondai atrocity, the hatred that led up to it,
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  Speaker 2: and the horrible responses to it all show that we
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  Speaker 2: are dealing with a failure of multiculturalism at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Australia is not the only country dealing with these divisions
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  Speaker 2: and this hatred.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, in.
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  Speaker 2: The United States, the Muslim Democratic Mayor of New York
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  Speaker 2: City has expanded his bilious attack on the Israeli Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 8: Benjamin Nettnia, who is a war criminal, the architect of
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  Speaker 8: a horrific genocide against the Palestinine people. He is responsible
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  Speaker 8: for the killing of more than seventy three thousand people,
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  Speaker 8: For the maiming of tens of thousands of children as
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  Speaker 8: those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. For the targeting
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  Speaker 8: of neonatal hospitals and attorney care centers, denying newborns even
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  Speaker 8: the chance to live. For the countless people he starved
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  Speaker 8: as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them.
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  Speaker 8: For the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists.
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  Speaker 2: Just lies, hateful lies that demonize Israel and its supporters
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  Speaker 2: around the world. As you know if you watch this program,
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  Speaker 2: no one would be alive in Gaza if not for Israel,
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  Speaker 2: the food, water, power, medical supplies that it facilitates. Not
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  Speaker 2: to mention the warnings, safe passages and the like that
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  Speaker 2: are provided to get civilians away from military strikes as
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  Speaker 2: much as possible. Mamdami does not criticize humas the Islamist
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group I believe responsible for every death Israeli and
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian in this conflict, and a group that grotesquely continues
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  Speaker 2: to attack Israel rather than lay down its arms and
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  Speaker 2: seek peace for Palestinians. Instead, the New York mayor grand
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  Speaker 2: stands over his impossible and now abandoned planned to try
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  Speaker 2: to arrest Prime Minister Netnahu when he attends the United
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  Speaker 2: Nations in New York. Never Mind the so called International
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  Speaker 2: Criminal Court war crimes charges against Netnaho are a propagandas
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  Speaker 2: stunt that have no basis in law. Never Mind that
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  Speaker 2: neither Israel nor the US are signatories to the ICC.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind that Palestine is not actually a country, never
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  Speaker 2: mind that Israel is a democracy with the rule of law,
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  Speaker 2: and never mind that Mamdami has no qualms about Chinese
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  Speaker 2: or Iranian leaders, or a range of other dictators, despots
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  Speaker 2: and murderers who have paraded through his city every year.
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  Speaker 1: At the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: I've literally bumped into Vladimir Putin there myself. But ma'm
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  Speaker 2: Dhani has eyes only to demonize Netnyahu and Israel.
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  Speaker 1: And we wonder why hatred against Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: And Jews is on the rise, And we wonder why
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremists are inspired to continue their terror attacks. This
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  Speaker 2: is a global problem and a civilizational challenge.
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  Speaker 7: When people are being killed in the name of Islam.
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  Speaker 7: There is a problem with Islam, at least as practiced
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  Speaker 7: by some, and we've got to be upfront and honest
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  Speaker 7: about that, and we've got to deal with it appropriately.
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  Speaker 2: As the Israeli ambassador warned us on the program here
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  Speaker 2: last night, Australian needs to get serious about cracking down
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  Speaker 2: on hateful trick and protests.
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  Speaker 9: The more you tolerate these type of demonstrations, the more
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  Speaker 9: you tolerate hate speech, it doesn't go away, It just
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  Speaker 9: increases and accelerates, and then you have in the end
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  Speaker 9: things like Bondai and other attacks. So when I'm saying
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  Speaker 9: this also because it's so important now, when we hear
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  Speaker 9: this hate speech against the state of Israel, we must
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  Speaker 9: understand that this is again a repeat of the same
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  Speaker 9: hatred and we must act against it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as Bondai showed us in such a tragic way,
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  Speaker 2: Australia needs to stand up for its values and against
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  Speaker 2: extremism or we will continue to pay a very high price.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, just on.
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  Speaker 2: National values, what about national symbols. With the ALP national
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  Speaker 2: Conference happening in Adelaide on the weekend, one of the
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  Speaker 2: major left wing unions, the Amalgamated Manufacturing Workers Union, is
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  Speaker 2: proposing a new policy to remove the union jack from
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  Speaker 2: our flag and can you believe it, get rid of
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  Speaker 2: colonial statues across the country. The proposal, to be debated
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend says we need to strip away the
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  Speaker 2: constant reminders of the old ruling class.
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  Speaker 1: And colonial empire.
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  Speaker 2: And it goes on to say that symbols of oppression
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  Speaker 2: like the union jack and our flag on our flag
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  Speaker 2: are offensive colonial Sorry the union jack on our flag,
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  Speaker 2: of course, and offensive colonial statues must be removed from
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  Speaker 2: public life. These people really have hang ups, don't they?
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  Speaker 2: The union jack as a symbol of oppression. Do they
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  Speaker 2: not notice the freedom, democracy and rule of.
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  Speaker 1: Law all around them?
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  Speaker 2: Don't they remember who defeated rampant nationalism and fascism across
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  Speaker 2: Europe not one, but twice in the previous century. Don't
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  Speaker 2: they have any sense of history and about how many
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  Speaker 2: Australians have fought for freedom and died.
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  Speaker 1: Under that very flag.
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  Speaker 2: Yet even labor ministers seem conflicted by this issue.
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  Speaker 10: Would you be up for changing it, Claire?
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  Speaker 11: Look, and that's just not what the conference is about.
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  Speaker 10: So when that one's put up, yes or no, Claire.
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  Speaker 11: Again, Nat, Sorry, it's not something that i've I've had
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  Speaker 11: a moment to think about.
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  Speaker 10: Look if it comes up, it's been in the paper today.
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  Speaker 10: You've got a head sight yes or no.
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  Speaker 11: Genuinely haven't given it a second's thought. This conference, thtes,
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  Speaker 11: I spent my time thinking about the fact that we've
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  Speaker 11: got home ownership rates qumiting through the four for young people.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about out of touch and out of step. It's
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  Speaker 1: a gift for the opposition.
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  Speaker 6: It's extraordinary that Claire O'Neil is out there today and
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  Speaker 6: she can't confirm that we should keep our Australia flag.
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  Speaker 6: She can't confirm that we should keep our Australian flag.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 6: I am proud of our Australian flag. I know all
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  Speaker 6: liberals and nationals are proud of our Australian flag and
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  Speaker 6: we will keep it.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps, if the AMWU is interested in escaping freedom and oppression,
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  Speaker 2: it ought to push for changes that get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the factional control of the Labor Party and the rules
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  Speaker 2: that demand all Labor politicians are members of a union.
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  Speaker 2: How about focusing on a fight for more freedom under
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  Speaker 2: the red banner of the Labor Party, because outside the
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party, we're actually all.
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  Speaker 1: Free and we're not being oppressed.
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  Speaker 2: Let me show you something from the US that shows
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  Speaker 2: the absolute craziness of the WOK agenda, the identity politics agenda.
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  Speaker 2: It starts with a campus police officer approaching a twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven year old student, Jarrett Vic, at the University of
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  Speaker 2: Central Florida.
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem my deal?
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  Speaker 13: Let those kids get away with this.
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  Speaker 12: They're not supposed to be here.
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  Speaker 14: If you don't lower your voice, I am going to
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  Speaker 14: put handcuffs on you and I'm going to take you
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  Speaker 14: to a baker Ac facility.
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  Speaker 12: Lower your voice.
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  Speaker 3: Try it.
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  Speaker 2: Despite the officer making it clear he was there on
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  Speaker 2: another matter, not concerning this particular student, things still escalated.
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  Speaker 14: Can we get another unit to deal with jay Lee here?
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  Speaker 14: He is having a breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: Nah Sy, just say the right road out, say the
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  Speaker 2: right pronoun.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Vic wanted to be identified as female and seemed just
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  Speaker 2: a little agitated about it all talk about lefties losing it.
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  Speaker 12: Alive.
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  Speaker 14: You don't tell me.
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  Speaker 15: Where to go, gel the top.
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  Speaker 13: I want It's too late, It's too late.
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  Speaker 14: Now he's going to be taken away.
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  Speaker 1: It's taken.
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  Speaker 16: I just want to get away from him and sid.
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  Speaker 17: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: There you have it, mis gendering as an insult and
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  Speaker 2: tantrums as a response. Vic was arrested and apparently tasted
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  Speaker 2: after lashing out at another officer. Obviously a troubled individual,
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  Speaker 2: but spa of thought for staff and security.
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  Speaker 1: Dealing with issues like that, it'll be enough to make
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  Speaker 1: you want to go and change your job.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get back to the productivity problem we
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  Speaker 2: discussed last night and the federal public servants working from home.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring in successful businessman Russel and Cogan who's the
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  Speaker 2: founder and CEO of Coogan.
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  Speaker 1: He joins us live from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us, Russeling.
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  Speaker 1: I was very interested to read.
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  Speaker 2: Some of your comments about the work from home ethought.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's right across the economy and everybody appreciates
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  Speaker 2: a bit of extra flexibility. But what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: of the levels of this in the federal public service.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Look, it's the thing with the work from home debate
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  Speaker 15: that really bugs me is that those who want it
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  Speaker 15: the most and those who care most about working from home,
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  Speaker 15: being our younger generations, is who it's hurting the most,
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  Speaker 15: so especially when productivity and the national economy are hot
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  Speaker 15: topics from the agenda.
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  Speaker 13: I think it's something that needs to come up.
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  Speaker 15: Because when you are young, when you're making it into
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  Speaker 15: the world, when you're starting out, you want to be
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  Speaker 15: seeing you want to be in discussions with managers, in meetings,
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  Speaker 15: having incidental conversations, debating things, raising ideas, and you can't
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  Speaker 15: do that by.
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  Speaker 13: Clicking a video link.
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  Speaker 15: You need to be you need to be in a
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  Speaker 15: team environment for that. It's the equivalent of if a
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  Speaker 15: footy team said that's it, we're all going to just
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  Speaker 15: you know, we've got a gym at home. We can
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  Speaker 15: do our work. We can just do a weight session
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  Speaker 15: and go for a run each and then rock up.
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  Speaker 13: And play on Saturday.
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  Speaker 15: That's not how productivity works. It's not how teamwork works,
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  Speaker 15: it's not how collaboration is done. And those that are
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  Speaker 15: the future of our nation, the young graduates, people making
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  Speaker 15: it into the workforce, who are doing a lot of
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  Speaker 15: the work from home. It's really negatively impacting them and
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  Speaker 15: the future of our country.
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  Speaker 13: So I think it's a debate we need to have.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a really good insight and I think
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  Speaker 2: your analogy of a sporting team is a ripper because
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  Speaker 2: I've spoken to people across a range of industries. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: I know the media industry, but I've spoken to people
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  Speaker 2: working in law and consulting, in retail. It's the same everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, people want that flexibility. It's fantastic if people
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  Speaker 2: can do some work from home when they need to.
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  Speaker 2: But you pick up so much in the office, the
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  Speaker 2: incidental contact, you learn a lot more. You get the ability,
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  Speaker 2: as you say, for young people to impress your seniors,
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  Speaker 2: learn from them and impress them and take on new
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  Speaker 2: opportunities or new responsibilities. That isn't going to happen when
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  Speaker 2: you're sitting back on some sort of teams meeting at
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  Speaker 2: home one.
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  Speaker 15: Hundred percent, And it's you know, the things that can
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  Speaker 15: be done in isolation. Like, yeah, there's some tasks where
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  Speaker 15: you've got a repetitive process or you've got you know,
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  Speaker 15: things that you can do from home in isolation. But
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  Speaker 15: most of the things we're in knowledge economy, we're an
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  Speaker 15: advanced economy. We need collaboration, we need people working with
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  Speaker 15: each other. Things that are repetitive tasks that can be
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  Speaker 15: done from home, they're the things that we are more
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  Speaker 15: likely to ship to a overseas office or you know,
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  Speaker 15: ship it to where labor is cheaper.
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  Speaker 13: But the skill sets that we're developing.
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  Speaker 15: In our advanced economy are the knowledge worker skill sets
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  Speaker 15: are the ones that need debates, that need collaboration, that
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  Speaker 15: need people sitting in a room discussing ideas, agreeing, disagreeing,
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  Speaker 15: challenging each other. And a lot of the learning's done
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  Speaker 15: through ausmosis by the younger generations in those rooms.
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  Speaker 13: So they're the things we're really.
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  Speaker 15: Missing out on if work from home becomes more prevalent. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 15: we all want flexibility, and flexibility is great, and we've
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  Speaker 15: all got those little tasks for certain parts of our
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  Speaker 15: work that we can easily do from home.
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  Speaker 13: But I think that it's very.
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  Speaker 15: Important not to forget the value of getting into a
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  Speaker 15: room with your teammates and really collaborating together, because lots
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  Speaker 15: of people collaborating and debating and discussing ideas, that's how
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  Speaker 15: you make great things happen. Great things don't happen when
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  Speaker 15: people sit in isolation in their bedrooms.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we focused on the Australian Federal Public Service last
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  Speaker 2: night because of astonishing numbers that came out.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how they were teased out. Incentive estimates.
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  Speaker 17: Have you got figures between say some national office and
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  Speaker 17: corporate roles versus frontline customer roles in terms of the
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  Speaker 17: staff granted approval to work from home?
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  Speaker 12: And if what percentage that is.
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  Speaker 16: The overall number of APS staff working from home?
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  Speaker 7: Fifteen eight hundred and fifty nine, which is forty seven.
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  Speaker 14: Points we have been working from home arrange or haven't
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  Speaker 14: worked from home arrangement?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, rustling.
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  Speaker 2: So this is for the Australian Services Division. And because
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  Speaker 2: this is a customer serving agency, the biggest agency dealing
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  Speaker 2: with taxpayers with customer complaints, with nearly half of their
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  Speaker 2: workforce working from home. Now you and your business would
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  Speaker 2: know all about customer service. Is it possible to actually
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  Speaker 2: deliver efficient, effective customer service servicing when half of your
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  Speaker 2: workforces is at home?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah?
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  Speaker 15: Well, you know what we just heard explains why governments
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  Speaker 15: function how they do and why a lot of people
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  Speaker 15: say things become a lot more efficient with private enterprise.
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  Speaker 15: So if a customer contacts us, it's either on live
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  Speaker 15: chat where we're getting back to them instantly, it's on
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  Speaker 15: the phone where we're getting back to them instantly or
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  Speaker 15: they're lodging a ticket where you know, if it takes
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  Speaker 15: us more than an hour or two to respond, our
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  Speaker 15: internal metrics are saying that we've done a horrible job,
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  Speaker 15: like we want to improve that and are constantly monitoring
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  Speaker 15: that in dashboards and improving it.
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  Speaker 13: So as well as the questions.
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  Speaker 15: That Dave Shama asked there, I'd love to see questions
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  Speaker 15: along the lines of what do your dashboards look like,
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  Speaker 15: what do your service levels look like, what's your slas,
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  Speaker 15: what are the KPIs against which your staffer judged.
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  Speaker 13: Because you know, we've all been there with email.
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  Speaker 15: The government department and we get an email back saying
• 20:05
  Speaker 15: thank you for your inquiry. It's very very important to us.
• 20:08
  Speaker 15: We'll get back to you in twenty eight business days. Now,
• 20:12
  Speaker 15: which private enterprise with business if they told their customers
• 20:16
  Speaker 15: will get back to you in twenty eight business days
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: would have any customers left. But obviously with the government,
• 20:22
  Speaker 15: it's not really a choice. If you need to contact
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: VIC roads, there's not really competitive organizations.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: No contact with no competition.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: That's sort look just briefly, we'll take some of those
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: good ideas for extra questions to Dave Sharma.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: He's coming up later in the program.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: But I just want to quickly get your thoughts because
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you've been outspoken on these capital gains tax changes.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to do to the economy.
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: Well, I think as a business person, we look at
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: tell me the incentive, and I'll tell you the outcome,
• 20:54
  Speaker 15: and I'll explain the behavior if you tell me the incentive.
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: So I think that where are country is heading, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 15: we're starting to hear more and more of this around
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: the traps is not a good place from a perspective
• 21:05
  Speaker 15: of what sort of immigration are we attracting. Are we
• 21:08
  Speaker 15: attracting people who are builders, risk takers, wanting to start businesses.
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: Wanting to employ people?
• 21:14
  Speaker 15: Are we incentivizing that sort of behavior amongst the leaders
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: of our communities.
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: And our country.
• 21:22
  Speaker 15: And I think that, you know, a lot of our
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: policies are starting to point in the wrong direction when
• 21:27
  Speaker 15: it comes to that. So I love our country and
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: I want to see it prosper and I want to
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: see it create policies that mean that in ten twenty
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: thirty years time, we have more businesses, more employment, the
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: economy is better, more opportunity, people really taking risks and
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: striving to build things rather than saying, you know what,
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: I really want to immigrate to Australia. There's some great
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: NDIS scams on offer, or they've got a really goog
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: welfare system, or you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: Know, things like that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 15: So we really have to, like we do the corporate world,
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: say that your true culture is who you hire, fire
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: and promote. And we want to make sure we're attracting
• 22:08
  Speaker 15: the best talents to Australia and we want to make
• 22:10
  Speaker 15: sure that those that work really hard and create a
• 22:14
  Speaker 15: lot of value for our society are the ones we progress.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Russell, and I really appreciate it. Russelling.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Cogan there, who's the founder and CEO of Cogan.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: First time I've spoken to him.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He was a breath of fresh air with his common
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: sense attitude.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: There wasn't he.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go on to global affairs now and Donald Trump
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: has hosted his Lebanese counterpart at the White House, with
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the US President vowing to help with peace efforts with Israel.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: He is the latest from Fox News.
• 22:41
  Speaker 19: Today speaking with the President of Lebanon about ways to
• 22:45
  Speaker 19: rid that country of Hesbalah terrorists.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: Thank you me doing such a great president like yourself.
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: That's a very nice thing, so he knows.
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: How to get to me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 19: Still, no pleasantries between Iranian and US negotiators, as President
• 22:58
  Speaker 19: Trump puts our peace talk indefinitely. Pentagon planners are giving
• 23:02
  Speaker 19: President Trump options to hit Iran's Pickaxe Mountain, a possible
• 23:06
  Speaker 19: hiding spot for Iran's nuclear program, according to Israel. The
• 23:11
  Speaker 19: Wall Street Journal reports Israel passed along the intelligence findings
• 23:14
  Speaker 19: to the US, saying centrifugees were transferred to the Pickaxe
• 23:18
  Speaker 19: Mountain state last fall.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Tom Switz, columnists with the Australian joining
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: us live from Melbourne. Tom, another update on the Middle
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: East war. Of course, it's important to point out when
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you talk about Israel and Lebanon, there's there's no war
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: with Lebanon. It's about Hezbalah operatives in the south of Lebanon,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: which according to the UN, they shouldn't have been there
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: for twenty years. But also when you see that the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: latest focus of the US military it's still on this
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: nuclear capability, the nuclear capability that we were told last
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: year had been destroyed.
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: Well, we've been here before, haven't we.
• 23:52
  Speaker 16: Christ I mean back to October twenty twenty four, Israel
• 23:55
  Speaker 16: launched three waves of precision attacks against the Iranian military
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: and uranium targets.
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: There was the twelve.
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: Day War in June of last year, which we covered
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: at the time. That was a war on Iran's nuclear facilities,
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: and then, of course there has been the war since
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: February twenty eight, which has, among other things, set out
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: to fully obliterate Iran's nuclear capabilities. None of that has worked,
• 24:22
  Speaker 16: so it's not clear whether the attack on Pickax Mountain
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: would work.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I would have thought that what we're seeing both in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: military attacks and rehtric from the US now shows that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the US is in this to completely knock over the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Iranian regime. I mean, they can't do anything else, so
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: they've given up on negotiation.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: This is all out war. Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 16: Well, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, which we both
• 24:49
  Speaker 16: read every day, Chris, they make the point that this
• 24:52
  Speaker 16: site is actually the Iranian regime's dreams. It's the perfect
• 24:58
  Speaker 16: place for a nuclear breakout. That's why it's.
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: Imperative for the administration to do everything it can to
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: take it out.
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: But whether or not it works, the reality, as we
• 25:07
  Speaker 16: discussed last week, is that from tay Rhan's perspective, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: rulers might feel that control of the strake of hor
• 25:13
  Speaker 16: moves is even more powerful than having a nuclear weapon.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Well we'll come back to these issues again, no doubt, Tom,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to move on to something slightly different,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: because I think your ears must have burning, must have
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: been burning last Thursday night when I had the ABC
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: chairman Kim Williams on the program and he proffered your name.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: But if it's okay to have a prominent host who's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: avowedly green, left no problem with it. You, I've got
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: no problem with that, as long as you can also
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: have some right of center hosts, which you don't have.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: Well, we have had people of an avowed conservative persuasion
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: on the ABC guests, no as from.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Time to time. In I mean you remember when Tom
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: was there, Tom Switzer, Yes, for his one program a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: week on Radio National. Well it was a pretty good program.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: There you go, Tom, four thousand staff at the ABC
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: pumping out material on about sixty five radio stations and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: five television networks and social media and online. But your
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: one hour was the one that proved the place wasn't biased.
• 26:28
  Speaker 16: Well, it was a joy to present and as I
• 26:30
  Speaker 16: said to you before, I always enjoyed my ten years
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: at the ABC, and I worked.
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: With some terrific colleagues.
• 26:35
  Speaker 16: But the reality is, this gets back to your question
• 26:38
  Speaker 16: about bias. I think that's probably too strong a word.
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: I think it's a group think. It's a sort of
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: left liberal group think that all too often clouds the
• 26:48
  Speaker 16: editorial output, particularly in the Sydney, Melbourne.
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: And Camba bureaus.
• 26:53
  Speaker 20: You might get more diversity in regional New South Wales
• 26:56
  Speaker 20: or Queensland and New South Wales and other parts of
• 26:59
  Speaker 20: the country, but let's fa the main part of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 20: ABC and that trifecta of the the troika of Sidney,
• 27:04
  Speaker 20: Melbourne and Canberra.
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: And you're right, Chris, the broadcross section of the presenters
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: and the journalists and the editors and producers overwhelmingly Vodie
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: the Green or labor or probably tell these days, who knows.
• 27:18
  Speaker 16: But nothing demonstrates better this whole notion of the mindset
• 27:22
  Speaker 16: than the ABC's coverage of The Voice in twenty twenty three,
• 27:25
  Speaker 16: which was very much one sided.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Indeed, as I pointed out to Kim Williams, it was
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the only time they invited me.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Back there is because.
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: They liked you, Chris, but just wanted you're back.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Now you and I have chatted about this stuff over
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: a beer, so I don't want to lead you into
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: saying and I thing you don't want to say.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But apart from the hosts and where their.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Political perspectives are, what was it like as a host
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and presenter wanting to get some conservative voices onto your program?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Was their resistance?
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: It depended on the subject.
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: I met the most resistance when it came to, intriguingly,
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: the Voice. I remember in April of twenty twenty three,
• 28:06
  Speaker 16: I invited Peter Krelin, our colleague from Sky News, onto
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: the program, and that caused considerable angst because her argument
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: was that she'd seen internal advance polling showing that the
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: Voice vote was very soft. At the time the vote,
• 28:19
  Speaker 16: the Voice was leading convincingly in the polls, and she
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: came on the program and I asked the tough questions,
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: but there was a lot of angst. The amazing thing
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: is when there was an audit of the ABC's conduct
• 28:29
  Speaker 16: of the Voice referendum, that interview was used as an
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: example that the AVC.
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: Wash ballace.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Fallas.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tom, I appreciate it, Tom Switzer
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that you can read his stuff in the Australian And
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: as you'll appreciate, Tom and I have quite different opinions
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: on the way the US is engaging in war in
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. But that's why I like to have
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: these chats and these discussions. The more people we have
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: on with different points of.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: View, surely the better. We will take a break.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll check you in on the UK where
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the new PM, of course is in Downing Street. Also
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: want to follow up on the murder of that former
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: MP and Reform Party spokesperson.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: With a new UK Prime.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Minister, Andy Burnham has pledged to take on the cost
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of living crisis as he began his first full day
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in the nation's top job. He's the latest from sky
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: News UK.
• 29:24
  Speaker 21: Burnham conveneing his very first cabinet I expect this every meeting,
• 29:32
  Speaker 21: at the height of his power and with a very
• 29:35
  Speaker 21: clear message.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: We need to be a cost.
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: Of living government.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Life's hard out there, isn't it at the moment.
• 29:41
  Speaker 21: Burnham using his fast full day in office to make
• 29:45
  Speaker 21: a down payment on his pledge to give people a
• 29:48
  Speaker 21: bit more breathing space with a cut to vat on
• 29:52
  Speaker 21: energy bills from October the first, saving you forty five
• 29:55
  Speaker 21: pounds a year and costing the government eight hundred and
• 29:59
  Speaker 21: fifty million.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all a little predictable and scripted, isn't it
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: that sort of pickfac and what he's done, let's bring
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: in writer and broadcaster is the correct in London.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us this straight away.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So hands over some you know, tax cuts if you like,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to the electorate. But of course it's just going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: hurt his budget even more, and it doesn't address the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: fundamental problem that they're making electricity too expensive to begin
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: with exactly.
• 30:28
  Speaker 18: I mean, you know, the idea that saving forty five
• 30:31
  Speaker 18: pounds a year on electricity is what the public is
• 30:34
  Speaker 18: actually looking for is laughably out of touch. And unfortunately
• 30:38
  Speaker 18: this is what Andy Burnham clearly is and serves his government,
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: his current government. I mean, really, when you saw when
• 30:44
  Speaker 18: I saw his cabinet appointees, it just looked like he
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: was rearranging duck chairs on the Titanic. He has. His
• 30:49
  Speaker 18: new chancellor, for example, recently resigned as Defense Secretary because
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: he wasn't happy with how much the Ministry of Defense
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: were getting reasonably so because of the heightened tensions in Europe.
• 30:59
  Speaker 18: He's beeping on Shabana mcmoda's Home Secretary, which I'm not
• 31:02
  Speaker 18: sure how I was going to play with the labor
• 31:03
  Speaker 18: base because she's quite she's much stricter on immigration than
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: most laborer and peas are, so I don't know if
• 31:10
  Speaker 18: he's trying to, you know, stave off some infighting there.
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: And then he brought back a convicted fraudster to lead
• 31:16
  Speaker 18: the Ethics Committee in Cabinet. And then I think the
• 31:19
  Speaker 18: biggest joke is Angela Reyna, who resigned Deputy Prime Minister
• 31:24
  Speaker 18: and Housing Minister because she had about forty pounds in
• 31:28
  Speaker 18: underpaid taxes for a second property or I believe third
• 31:31
  Speaker 18: property that she bought without a fine by the way,
• 31:33
  Speaker 18: which is incredible because I don't know people that can
• 31:35
  Speaker 18: get away with underpaying one hundred pounds the tax without
• 31:38
  Speaker 18: a fine. And now she's back as Housing Secretary. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 18: then to add insult to injury, his maiden speech in
• 31:45
  Speaker 18: Parliament was basically blaming Margaret Thatcher, someone who was Prime
• 31:48
  Speaker 18: Minister over forty years ago, for the current ills of
• 31:50
  Speaker 18: the country is facing. So this is clearly someone who's
• 31:53
  Speaker 18: not going to change the country, and I despair for
• 31:55
  Speaker 18: the state of the country over the next few years
• 31:56
  Speaker 18: that he will probably be Prime minister. And it just
• 31:59
  Speaker 18: shows that the people are actually running this country not
• 32:01
  Speaker 18: only don't get it, but are being run by pulling
• 32:04
  Speaker 18: and by the prospects of them losing their qushy jobs,
• 32:06
  Speaker 18: as opposed to stable, long term government that's really thinking
• 32:09
  Speaker 18: about what's in the interest of this country and what's
• 32:11
  Speaker 18: actually going to progress us and take us out of
• 32:13
  Speaker 18: This is a new economic situation that we found ourselves
• 32:17
  Speaker 18: and over the last twenty years.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I saw his speech outside Downing Street, which
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: was impressive. He was confident and unscripted, no autocu but
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: obviously rehearsed the lines. But the plan was a typical
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: leftist plan, very much like our own labor government. Here,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: every problem, every ill can be tackled by more government programs,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: more government spending, no understanding that this is actually a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: large part of the problem. You need to free up
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the economy and the population. I just want to go
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to something that was written by Linton Crosby. It's been
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: published in London in The Times. It was republished in
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Australia today in the Australian Linton Crosby. Of course that
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: is not a picture of Linton Crosby, but he is
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: a very successful Australian political strategist and also went to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: London and was very successful for the Tories there. He
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: makes the key point that he says this government could
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: survive if it and get re elected if it learned
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to change that. You can't just change leaders and have
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the same approach. You've actually got to start listening to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the electorate and doing what people want.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Did you read the person? Do you think he's on
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the money there?
• 33:29
  Speaker 18: Absolutely? And you know he was part of David Cameron's
• 33:33
  Speaker 18: successful campaign back in twenty ten, so he knows a
• 33:35
  Speaker 18: thing or two about you know, the population and what
• 33:39
  Speaker 18: the electric actually want.
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: And he was spot on.
• 33:42
  Speaker 18: You cannot run a country or make critical decisions based
• 33:45
  Speaker 18: on polling. First of all, it's self serving and people
• 33:48
  Speaker 18: are going to become more apathetic towards politics and more
• 33:50
  Speaker 18: resentful of our politicians because they're basically treating this country
• 33:54
  Speaker 18: and its priorities as a way to just keep themselves
• 33:57
  Speaker 18: in a job, which is not what sensible, stable government
• 33:59
  Speaker 18: is about. But also you cannot just keep being dictated
• 34:03
  Speaker 18: by the polls, because polls always change. I find it
• 34:06
  Speaker 18: absolutely incredible that this government, from all the messaging they're
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: getting from the polls, the fact that this country is
• 34:13
  Speaker 18: moving more towards the right in politics and that Reform
• 34:16
  Speaker 18: have basically solidified and fossilized their lead in the polls,
• 34:21
  Speaker 18: that they think that the solution is to turn left.
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: So the country is moving more right, so our current
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: labor government is thinking, yes, actually most people want to
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: move more left. It's absolutely bewildering. But this is why
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: people aren't getting so angry, because they're comically out of touch.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we do.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Your country and our country are great service if we
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: banned all polls for a year and just force politicians
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to deal with the reality and maybe talk to some people.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts on this shocking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: murder case, ser of in developments in that. Here's the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: lightest reporting on that from Sky and newars UK.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: This afternoon, twenty eight year old Joshua Kerry appeared in
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: court charged with the murder the former Tory MP turned
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Reform UK spokeswoman and Whiddocombe. He has now been remanded
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: in custody. Prosecutors say that Anne Whittocombe was hit over
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: the head twenty one times with a hammer at her
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: home in Devon while she was eating her lunch. They
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: called it a planned and targeted attack.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking details there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to a tweet from Nigel
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Farage as well, where he said the details of m
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Whittocumb's murder revealed in court are horrific.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Why will no one.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Report on Joshua Carey's political views?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Esther?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: There has been some reporting that a certainly hated reform.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Are there any other Is there any other reports around
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: relating to any suspected political motive?
• 35:47
  Speaker 18: So what we've known, what we know now from the
• 35:50
  Speaker 18: twelve days of the police basically feeding us material about
• 35:54
  Speaker 18: this case that it's clear that they knew basically from
• 35:57
  Speaker 18: the time that they actually arrested this man, is that
• 35:59
  Speaker 18: he seem to have sort of hard left communist leanings.
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: Uh.
• 36:03
  Speaker 18: And I think the reason why people are quite curious
• 36:07
  Speaker 18: why it's taken this long is because the political leanings
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: of Joe Cox's murderer, murderer who was an MP who
• 36:13
  Speaker 18: was murdered here were released almost instantly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 19: Uh.
• 36:16
  Speaker 18: And the idea that this person who seems to have
• 36:19
  Speaker 18: allegiance sys to sort of hard left political causes, went
• 36:23
  Speaker 18: into add Wincum's home and bashed her over the head
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: over a dozen times.
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: Uh.
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: And this information is slowly being dripped fed to the public.
• 36:31
  Speaker 18: Would would imply that their different approaches being taken, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 18: they're trying to kind of stave off public anger by
• 36:37
  Speaker 18: by by titrating, basically the amount of information that's available
• 36:40
  Speaker 18: in the public. And these are the kinds of things
• 36:42
  Speaker 18: that fuel speculation because you can't treat these two cases differently.
• 36:46
  Speaker 18: And of course we understand not prejudicing the case, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: this is obviously a life case, so we have to
• 36:50
  Speaker 18: be careful about what we can say about this alleged murderer.
• 36:53
  Speaker 18: But you have to treat these sorts of things the
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: same because there is always talk about, you know, the
• 36:57
  Speaker 18: threats of the far right and how the far right
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: are dangering public safety.
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  Speaker 1: But we are clearly.
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  Speaker 18: Seeing from the evidence, not just here in the UK,
• 37:04
  Speaker 18: but in the US as well, that the people actually
• 37:06
  Speaker 18: carrying out the vast majority of these political acts of
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: violence are people of the hard left, people with hard
• 37:12
  Speaker 18: left convictions, and people who are clearly very mentally unwell.
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: And you fuel speculation and you feel unhelpful public rhetoric
• 37:18
  Speaker 18: when you one don't treat these cases the same, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: also you're not open and honest. It didn't need to
• 37:22
  Speaker 18: take this long for us to learn the horrific details,
• 37:25
  Speaker 18: especially for people who work in this space who knew
• 37:27
  Speaker 18: Ann Whitdocomb, who found actually the kind of initial information
• 37:31
  Speaker 18: that was released about this absolutely bewildering.
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  Speaker 12: Anyone who knew.
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  Speaker 18: An Widomb knew that she was completely shure fitted, she
• 37:36
  Speaker 18: was a very confident woman. She worked extremely hard, she
• 37:39
  Speaker 18: was always on time, and so I find it quite
• 37:42
  Speaker 18: strange the information that we got at the very beginning
• 37:44
  Speaker 18: and how it's kind of filtered now almost two weeks
• 37:47
  Speaker 18: after the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, spot honest, thanks for unpacking that for us. We'll
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: catch you next week. It's the Cracker. They're live in
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the UK. We're going to get to a break. On
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the other side, I'll catch up with Senator Dave Sharma.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I talked to him about small business but also the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: work from home addiction in this country. Let's catch up
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  Speaker 2: with Liberals Senator and Shadow Assistant to Minister for Citizenship
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  Speaker 2: Dave Sharma. He's hosting a forum for disgruntled business owners
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  Speaker 2: in the Prime Minister's electorate of Grainbler. Thanks thanks for
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: joining us, Dave, is small business thriving in the green
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: left sanctuary of Grainbler.
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  Speaker 17: No, it's not, Chris, and I've had an incredible level
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: of interest to come along tonight from local small businesses
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  Speaker 17: in Gramler, in the heart of the Prime Minister's own elector,
• 38:37
  Speaker 17: Who've got a lot of stories that I've heard already
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: and we'll be hearing more later, perceiving about how tough
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: business conditions are and how the government is only making
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: their lives more and more difficult.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Would their complaints focus primarily on the capital gains tax
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: changes or more broadly across things like electricity prices.
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  Speaker 12: To look, it's across the board, Chris.
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  Speaker 17: I mean in New South Wales small business insolventsies are
• 39:02
  Speaker 17: running at about five thousand a year, so that's like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 17: you know, one hundred every week, right fourteen a day.
• 39:07
  Speaker 17: And they've got rising electricity costs, they've got growing costs
• 39:10
  Speaker 17: of insurance. They've got an economy that's weak because of
• 39:13
  Speaker 17: the government's mismanagement, which means consumers aren't spending.
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: They've got complicated industrial relations laws, they've.
• 39:18
  Speaker 17: Got high compliance costs, high bureaucracy and more and more
• 39:21
  Speaker 17: burdens being added. And obviously the changes announced in the
• 39:24
  Speaker 17: budget have only just dramatically deteriorated their outlook, the outlot
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: for the economy, but the outlok for small business as well.
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  Speaker 2: Did you let the PM know that you were dropping
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: into his hood?
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  Speaker 17: I didn't invite him along, but he'd be very welcome
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: to attend. I'm sure people would have a lot of
• 39:40
  Speaker 17: questions for him, probably not very easy ones, but a
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: lot of questions for him about what he is going
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: to do to improve Australia's economic prospects, because at the
• 39:49
  Speaker 17: moment they look very good.
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: Whether you're a household or you're a small business owner.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: You'd have to pop across from procurability, no doubt. Look,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I want to follow up on an issue that that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you flushed out the services Australia and the number of
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: people working from home.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: You flushed it out and sended estimates.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: We talked about on the program last night, and I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: spoke earlier in the program to rustl And Cogan, the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: founder of Cogan, the company Cogan.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: He talks about how.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: People need to be at work to be productive, to learn,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to grow, to share their knowledge.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And pick up experience and the like.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And he suggested some more questions about what sort of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: dashboarding people have when they're working from home, what sort
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: of metrics are in place to make sure Services Australia
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: can actually deliver on the queries they're getting from customers,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: can actually deliver the services that they're supposed to deliver.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Do you think they can do that effectively with so
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: many people working from home?
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: Look, I'm not convinced of that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 17: I mean, you've got Services Australias like the most public
• 40:50
  Speaker 17: facing part of the federal government Christ and one of
• 40:52
  Speaker 17: the most you know, this is the people that run
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: Centeleague and Medicare and MyGov and child support payments. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: the idea that half of their work force are working
• 41:01
  Speaker 17: from home and over a third or have approval to
• 41:03
  Speaker 17: work from home three days or more a week. That's
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: over half the week. I don't understand how they can
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: be doing the job of servicing the public as effectively
• 41:12
  Speaker 17: as if they were in a workplace, in an office.
• 41:14
  Speaker 17: And the point that Rousland made I noticed as well
• 41:16
  Speaker 17: was how to expect younger staff, in particular to get
• 41:19
  Speaker 17: mentored to get professional development, to learn from the more
• 41:23
  Speaker 17: senior people in the organization if they're never physically together.
• 41:26
  Speaker 17: I think this is why when Chris Mins became the
• 41:29
  Speaker 17: Premier of New South Wales he basically ordered all the
• 41:31
  Speaker 17: public service back to the office.
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: I think for good reasons.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Just changing topic again, I want to show you a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: little bit of money in to view with the Israeli
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: ambassador last night.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Has the relationship between Australia and Israel ever been in
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a worse state than it is now?
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Well, I think it's a little secret that their relations
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: have gone down over the past two years, especially we
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: spoke before about the aspect of the recognition of the
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: Palestinian States, which was taken by Israel as an offense
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: and a mistake.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Dave, as a former Australian ambassador to Israel, do you
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: think the relationship is in its worst position ever?
• 42:09
  Speaker 17: It's certainly the worst position in my professional lifetime, Chris.
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: I mean when I was appointed as ambassador to Israel,
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: it was by a labor government and I can tell
• 42:16
  Speaker 17: you the relations between that labor government, the Julia Delad
• 42:19
  Speaker 17: government and the Kevin Drudd government with Israel were much
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: much better than they were under Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong.
• 42:25
  Speaker 17: And that's because they put some value on the relationship.
• 42:27
  Speaker 17: I think Anthony Albanesi and Pennywong have gone out of
• 42:30
  Speaker 17: their way to damage and tarnish and downgrade this relationship.
• 42:33
  Speaker 17: And I think it's it's to the detriment of Australia's
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: national interest, to the detriment of Australia's security interests.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it. That's Liberal
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Senator for New South Wales Dave Sharma holding a forum
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: for small business in the Prime Minister's electorate of Gramler
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in the inner west of Sydney. We've got to take
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a break. After the break the Wednesday rangle. We got
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Justin and James in. I want to find out what
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: they think about changing the Australian flow.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday rangle.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith, columnist and author and broadcaster from Melbourne and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: James Bolt, Sky News contributor and digital guru here on
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the set with me, two bloody Richmond supporters. I should
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: add this Sky News is absolutely infiltrated by Richmond supporters
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: by therapy. You talk about bias the AVC has got
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: nothing on us when it comes to Richmond. Anyway, Sorry,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I'm digressing into footy again. Justin the flag, do you
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: feel oppressed by the Union jack and the Australian flag?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Is that a symbol of all that was wrong with
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: our colonial past?
• 43:42
  Speaker 22: I thanks for the leading question, Tim, and hello James
• 43:45
  Speaker 22: co the Tigers. I didn't feel oppressed by the flag,
• 43:49
  Speaker 22: but and I have no problem with the debate because
• 43:52
  Speaker 22: we should have these debates. But isn't this typical of Australia.
• 43:56
  Speaker 22: We're having the debate about the flag, but we're not
• 43:59
  Speaker 22: having a debate about whether we should become a republic
• 44:02
  Speaker 22: or not. Surely that should be the key debate on
• 44:05
  Speaker 22: if we become should we become a republic? How do
• 44:08
  Speaker 22: we become a republic? Before we start messing we just
• 44:11
  Speaker 22: with this whole debate. We tend to just pitdle around the.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Edges with this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 22: And I would say that, although I'm not afraid of
• 44:18
  Speaker 22: this debate, it's still pitdling around the edges.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I just think it's pathetic James that one of these
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: big lefty unions this is the issue they want the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: ALP to address it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 23: There absolutely like if I'm a member of a union
• 44:29
  Speaker 23: right now, I care about the cost of living. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 23: care about housing prices for my kids and myself. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 23: care about the rise of AI. Yet if I were
• 44:36
  Speaker 23: to google my own union right now, I would say
• 44:38
  Speaker 23: them all wrapped up in a symbolic social justice cause
• 44:43
  Speaker 23: that's going to change anything about my life, and I'd
• 44:45
  Speaker 23: be feeling absolutely ripped off about that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what kills me is they go on about
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: freedom that you know, it doesn't represent freedom and it
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: represents oppression. And you know, you know, I'm from Irish descent,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't just stick up for the pomps normally.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: But that British flag has stood for freedom and it's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: fought for freedom. And the Australian flag people have fought
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and died for freedom under it, Second World War, First
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: World War, and justin these unions, the whole union movement,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: you cannot be in the Parliament for a for the
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Labor Party unless you are a member of a union.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: How oppressive is that? Where's the freedom of that? You
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: must be a union member to represent Labor in parliament.
• 45:33
  Speaker 22: Yeah, look, I don't like that, and that's for the
• 45:35
  Speaker 22: Labor Party to figure out. But let me ask you
• 45:37
  Speaker 22: a question though, Chris, though, do you think they shouldn't
• 45:40
  Speaker 22: be allowed to have the debate? I mean, do you
• 45:42
  Speaker 22: really think we should shut down people who wanted to
• 45:44
  Speaker 22: have a debate like that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: We're talking about it, we're to talk about anything.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I just think it's pathetic priorities and they're kind of
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: misguided in their language, especially when they go to statues
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And James, just to get your thoughts on this, just
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to finish up on this.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: It comes at the time when survey shows is that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: seventy percent of the populations worried about the direction of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's more important than a flag.
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: I think so.
• 46:08
  Speaker 23: And you know, we talk about like, oh, where could
• 46:10
  Speaker 23: possibly have Pauline Hanson's rise come from? Why are so
• 46:12
  Speaker 23: many people going too one nation? That is the exact
• 46:15
  Speaker 23: pole that I come to like people. They're not is
• 46:17
  Speaker 23: entirely attracted to the antics that come with her or
• 46:20
  Speaker 23: some of the statements that she makes, but they are
• 46:22
  Speaker 23: absolutely sick of the direction of the nation. Labor and
• 46:25
  Speaker 23: liberal alike are both tainted by just years of inemptitude
• 46:28
  Speaker 23: in leadership, and they are just looking for another choice.
• 46:31
  Speaker 23: So I just think, like you know, we go, Okay,
• 46:33
  Speaker 23: how much damage will this Tommy Robinson interview cause? How
• 46:36
  Speaker 23: much damage can Malcolm Robinson's comments cause. Look, I would
• 46:38
  Speaker 23: love them to cause a bit more damage because they're stupid.
• 46:40
  Speaker 23: They are, but they are going to disappear into the
• 46:42
  Speaker 23: sand because people are just outraged about the direction of
• 46:45
  Speaker 23: the country and fearing for the future.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Spot on when it comes to the Labor Party, justin
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the People's Party, the Workingman's Party. Of course, we had
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: this story in the AFR where Anthony Alberizi had a
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: dinner at a point Piper Mansion will have been just
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: down on the road from Malcolm Turnbull's place to collect
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: a million dollar donation from a Chinese don't people from
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: big business? There also the former Victorian Premier Dan Andrews.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Dan Andrews there obviously well connected to China. This smack
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: of the Working Families Party.
• 47:16
  Speaker 22: To you, Well, what I don't like about this and
• 47:21
  Speaker 22: I love that you're trying to bait me on the
• 47:23
  Speaker 22: Labor Party as though I was their spokesperson. It's always
• 47:25
  Speaker 22: fun for me. But what I love about what I
• 47:28
  Speaker 22: love about theirs? Now, actually what disappoints me about this
• 47:31
  Speaker 22: I should say is they went to the PM's office.
• 47:34
  Speaker 22: So their journalist went to the Prime Minister's office and said, listen, hey,
• 47:36
  Speaker 22: what was it all about? And they said, we're not
• 47:38
  Speaker 22: talking about it. And I think that's bloody outrageous. If
• 47:41
  Speaker 22: you're the prime minister of a country and you're meeting
• 47:43
  Speaker 22: with somebody like this, or meeting with anybody, there should
• 47:47
  Speaker 22: be full transparent seeing. Look, if they gave a million
• 47:49
  Speaker 22: dollars to the party, that's not the first time that
• 47:51
  Speaker 22: a party's received a political donation. But let's you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 22: come on, when you're the prime minister, you've got to
• 47:59
  Speaker 22: be telling people about out these things. It will got
• 48:01
  Speaker 22: to be far more upfront than I don't like. That's
• 48:03
  Speaker 22: Scott Morrison sort of hiding away kind of crap territory.
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: It's not. Let's not get into that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I do recall the Labor Party being more than a
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: little interested in any fundraising dinners that Peter Dutton went to,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: for instance, So it's complete hypocrisy to shut down and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: not be transparent themselves.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I want to go to the price of beer. There's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: some big.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: News on beer prices today and it tells us that
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the most expensive place to buy a beer in the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: country is in Melbourne. Now, James, you're a Melbourne and native.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You've escaped now to.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: The cheaper, the cheaper, slightly cheaper town of Sydney, well
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: slately cheaper for the cheap beer came, Yeah, it came third.
• 48:45
  Speaker 23: I think it goes Melbourne, Singapore and then Sydney for
• 48:47
  Speaker 23: the most expensive places to get a beer. But you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 23: for a nation that thinks of itself, it's like Alaric
• 48:52
  Speaker 23: and culture, you know, the sons and daughters of convex,
• 48:55
  Speaker 23: the amount of syntaxes and just like how much we
• 48:58
  Speaker 23: raise taxes and prices on things that actually we're like,
• 49:01
  Speaker 23: we just don't like that much. You know, I'm thinking
• 49:02
  Speaker 23: about tobacco excise as well. It's wild to me. And
• 49:06
  Speaker 23: I know the government goes, well, you know, people are
• 49:08
  Speaker 23: just gonna always drink beer. But we're supposed to be
• 49:11
  Speaker 23: Ansian of freedom, Like, why are the taxes so high?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Justin your town?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: The most expensive beer in the world and it's supposed
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to be a Liverpool city.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: What are you doing with it?
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: Think?
• 49:22
  Speaker 22: Oh, thank goodness, I don't drink anymore, is all I
• 49:25
  Speaker 22: can say. But it's look, it's the it's the it's
• 49:28
  Speaker 22: James's right, it's the excise.
• 49:31
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 49:31
  Speaker 22: They put the excise up on tobacco, and you could
• 49:33
  Speaker 22: argue that's for good reason, because they don't want people smoking.
• 49:36
  Speaker 22: But honestly, the excise on beer, the way it has
• 49:39
  Speaker 22: crept up.
• 49:40
  Speaker 12: Is that's all just about. We are out of people's pockets.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Are Justin and I want to quit While we've got
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: you arguing against taxation.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a big win for all of us.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, James and Justin. It's time to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: head to Melbourne and catch up with Peter Kredlin. I'll
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: see you tomorrow.