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LONDON CALLING EP5 [THE RACE]: Ran to Japan, Jake Smith & Tim Vincent · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another.
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  Easy double, Yeah, from the track to the rodeo, we talk that
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  talk splits on the watch, but we still take the Mick, Dean and
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  Per for the long run. Legs go and break the fire when
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  the session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from Everson to medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down. Hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday. Still chasing peeves while the
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  wheel spins. Run Hello and welcome back to
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  the special Easy Double podcast series London Calling for the
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  finale, the race episode, and we have two races to recap.
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  We have the London Marathon and we have the Amagata Acadine, so
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  I'm looking forward to getting stuck into this, boys.
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  I know maybe Jake Smith, you might be not looking forward to
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  it too much, but I'm sure you'll feel better afterwards.
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  Just get it all out there. Yeah.
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  So, Tim, you're back in Australia.
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  I was the travel bar. I actually went through Hong
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  Kong on the way back and I'd never done that before.
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  So it's probably the most direct path in terms of minimizing
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  flying. And it was a pretty weird
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  experience because you, you know, obviously going to London,
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  to Brisbane and you, I don't know, just randomly end up in
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  Hong Kong for like 4 hours. So like managed to find a few
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  Japanese like convenience stores and got like a Bakari sweat.
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  So it was like this really random 4 hours where I was over
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  tied just in Asia. But yeah, no back and yes,
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  recovering now. And did you fly back with Liam?
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  Are we on different schedules? Different schedules, so we
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  actually haven't even caught up too much.
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  His partner Jazz came over and they're I think he's coming back
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  in the next few hours. They had a holiday so he's had
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  the extra week. Yeah, OK, nice.
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  And now, now that you're back in Australia, does it almost feel
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  like London was a different lifetime ago or is it still like
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  immediately, just there last week?
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  Can you touch it still? No, I reckon it actually does
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  feel like a better go now. I think moving time zones and
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  whatnot, and even just having life distractions and stuff
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  creep back in and, you know, starting to think about, you
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  know, I'm going to be applying for new jobs and stuff now.
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  So that's kind of creeping up and all that jazz.
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  And I think even just that mental shift makes it feel a bit
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  longer ago. And I know you and Jake caught
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  up after the race and probably put the world to rights there.
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  So it was mental state. Now we're all clear and any
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  hangovers are long gone. Now I've I've probably if
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  anything had had that week go too long, had pub golf on the
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  weekend with my mates as well. So much like Jake I think he
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  said he had another Degas or on his socials and I was about the
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  same day as me. So I've had a very nice week off
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  and we, yeah, we had a great catch up afterwards.
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  It was everything I'd hoped after London Marathon to be.
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  And yeah, I've been enjoying my recovery and I don't know if I'm
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  keen to get back into running yet, but I know that ball's
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  probably gonna start kind of rolling soon.
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  Well, if ever there's a time for it.
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  Oh, I have a story about it was it was.
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  It's just the most wuzzy thing. I think we've now come to
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  conclusion because we we finished the race now with my
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  family just in the park in the, like bar downstairs in the
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  hotel. And Tim, you went got lunch and
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  stuff and then you were like just chilling in the room after
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  the race. And he messaged me.
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  He's like, oh, do you want to meet for a few drinks?
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  So I said, yeah, yeah, come down to us.
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  But this is when me and Katie had to go to another hotel
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  outside a Nike event. So it's all my family, friends
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  and stuff. There was like 4 guys there and
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  I said Tim just hang out with these like I left so he has no
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  clue who any of these people are but they are just one of the
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  guys lives what? 10 minutes from your house?
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  10-15 minutes from your house in Australia.
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  Yeah, it turns out about 20 minutes, yeah.
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  And then I get. They come back about two hours
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  later and you wouldn't even need guess.
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  Tim wasn't even part of the family.
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  He was just like, like just hapsi go for it.
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  We get to the pub later. I reckon he must bore 30 shots,
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  probably only one for himself. The whole pub.
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  He started being a waiter in the bloody pub, helping the actual
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  pub guys pick up their glasses. It was phenomenal.
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  It was a blood when it's little. I'm child of the people.
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  Well, it's Japanese football. Top on it was.
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  Very good evening. Because, you know, it's amazing.
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  They all loved, they all loved him to be fair.
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  So the Aussies are very good. I give the Aussies a lot of
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  credit. They are very good.
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  Bunch of people to go out with. Yeah, very fun evening and
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  everything. I actually said you remember you
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  are getting a job. Stop.
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  I'm. Terrible, to be honest, like
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  that. I also see it as like, that's
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  that's why I kind of save my money.
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  I spend it on experiences and people rather than flashy things
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  if that makes sense. So that's exactly how I like
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  spending my money. And then I get a.
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  Message Oh yeah. Yeah, I got a message 3 and I've
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  been walking back and it said it's Google location stuff.
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  That was not fun, going back into that Hilton with a German
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  Donna kebab. Yeah, Anyway for.
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  The UK night out. Yeah, Yeah, we got there.
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  Yeah. So within what like 12 hours
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  you'd gone from run like peak physical condition to walk?
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  Strolling in at 3:00 AM like absolutely bastard with the
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  kebab in hand. So still peak physical
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  condition. Yeah, for the average UK.
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  Man, Yeah, no, it was a bit of fun and I know sometimes you get
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  a little bit of steam off and yeah, it didn't get too crazy,
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  but absolutely, yeah, probably enjoyed myself.
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  Sounds like the the stunt stamina for a nice owl is
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  similar to the stomach. The endurance stamina done well.
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  Actually, to be fair, that's what Jake was talking about.
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  Like I was too lazy to catch the, I don't even know if the
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  tubes run that late. So I just walked home and it was
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  like 5K. Took me about 50 minutes, but I
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  kind of just went for this big walk.
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  And Jake, what's going on over there in Japan?
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  How's the feelings post acadine? As everything settled down now?
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  Is the town been buzzing? It's a big, big come down after
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  that one. I feel like I shouldn't be
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  talking about when we've got the London Marathon just happened,
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  but it was pretty legendary. Just yeah, I was genuinely
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  thinking after it's going to be impossible next year to pick
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  between that and London Marathon again.
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  But before I was kind of joking, you know, there's this is a big
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  event, but this was the most fun race, I guess you could say I've
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  ever done easily just because it's like the team factor.
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  You can't get in any other running.
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  It was like you and your kid playing like football or
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  something rugby. I thought it's such legendary
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  memories because there's a team aspect and it's something you
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  can't get from running unless it's this Ecky then.
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  So yeah, it was, it was legendary.
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  I can't believe I'm saying that. I might have to turn down London
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  Marathon next year to come back for Round 2.
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  So is it like state championships for the acadine,
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  if you would compare it to that or like northerns or whatever
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  and then it's like qualified? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, the thing with most of the regions all around Japan, I
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  think back in the day they had accu dens and stuff, but most of
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  them kind of died out. You just got the big national
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  ones for some reason. This one where I am is I guess
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  the biggest one in Japan. It's still going like 70 years
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  or whatever. And since you just get bigger
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  and bigger each year, like the live streams, they've racked up
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  like 300K views, like over the it's, it's enormous.
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  Like, yeah, within Japan the next day after the race, I was
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  getting stopped about 20 times just around town, random people,
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  like, pulling up. Like, oh, shit, you ran the
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  accident. Like, good.
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  Well, I'm in a ride and you've got this car stopping by.
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  Like, oh, great job. It was a bit mad, but yeah, on a
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  row. Are they saying Jake son?
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  Jake, Son. Hi, I'm on it.
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  Great Japanese practice. You know when you say your name
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  in like the MAD pronunciation? Is that just the Japanese
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  pronunciation? Yeah, sounds like I'm being
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  insanely racist, but Jacob Baracroff, that is my genuine
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  Thanks, guys. Right, let's get into some of
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  the race action then, fellas. Jake and Tim, we obviously
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  caught up on like Wednesday prior to the race, which felt
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  like the race was immediately upon us.
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  But I bet you those 72 hours or whatever it was dragged like
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  anything. So we don't need to go into like
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  actual training. But did you do much running in
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  those like 48 hours leading up to the race Friday, Saturday?
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  I didn't, I think I did one workout, if you want to call it
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  that, like 10 minutes of just pretty much not jogging
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  essentially like a little, not even threshold, just essentially
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  sort of break up the jogging on the don't even know if it was
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  Thursday or Friday. And then I went into the race
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  hotel and all I remember from there is just whinging to Jake
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  at meals about how full I was and how over food I was and just
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  kind of had to keep eating. So that was my most
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  uncomfortable thing. I remember was just the food was
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  delicious but I was pretty overeating.
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  And then your, that was your made major debut.
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  Yeah, first time on a major start line.
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  Yep, Yep. First time running a major so it
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  was pretty like there's a lot more full on procedures and
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  stuff I guess, like uniform checks and all that.
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  Like I don't remember doing that in Tokyo.
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  I'm sure it's maybe just already done in the background with the
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  countries, you know, uniforms, but yeah, all that.
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  And then it just felt like the Saturday, I think the day
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  before, like I was just going from procedure to procedure.
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  So the day kind of felt not busy, but I was always doing
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  something. And that so does it start to
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  feel very real once you get in the race hotel?
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  Yeah, I was glad we kind of went in the Friday.
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  I think Jake went in the same day and it was just nice that I
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  have kind of like that afternoon to settle and have a meal and
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  what, just wake up there and. What about you, Jake?
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  Are you just raring to go full of excitement at this point or
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  you very calm and composed? Been there, done it before.
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  No, I thought I was too excited because I can change pace
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  groups. Yeah, yeah, it was good because
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  on the Friday morning did some photo shoots with the team.
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  I still want it mad. Like you get to the start of
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  London Marathon and they bring up 4 athletes and they aren't
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  bringing up Kamura checked guy. It still goes through me like
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  they're not bringing those two athletes up.
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  And if you look at what they've achieved it, I still would say
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  those two are almost more accomplished than the other
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  three, like in terms of major medals.
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  But yeah, it was it was awesome. Like just hang out with Tim and
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  Liam and Adam. Adam Clarke, who it's just quite
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  a laugh. I don't know if you've met Eve,
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  Charlotte Perdues. Are they married?
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  Are they husband done? He just chats absolute like
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  shit, basically so funny. He's like the perfect person you
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  want before a race. It didn't really start to get
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  real until like the meeting, I'll say in the Saturday
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  evening. So I, I've always, I tried to
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  keep really, really calm. Well, getting to win the race, I
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  felt like I put a bit too much expectation on it because the
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  last five miles I felt like it was more an emotional like cry
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  than anything really. But.
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  It was nice seeing a lot of other people.
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  People came in at different times and my coach came in the
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  Saturday evening just to like go for everything, the pay.
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  It's just a bit of a shame like like you go into a major and
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  there was what me, there was like 6 of us in a group go to
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  like going at like 2A2O9 and there's no one else on the road.
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  And it's just like that's the only negative side of London.
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  I feel like sometimes the marathon they put, they spend so
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  much money on the three people who can basically break 2, but
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  then the actual depth is quite poor.
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  It's like the the sub two guys and then the two of six.
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  There's always a good two O 6 pack, like every single year.
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  There's always a group there. And then after that it's just
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  like Tim will get into it like a halfway.
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  He backed off a bit and there was no one near him.
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  And it's just like how how are we going into a major like this?
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  When you look at the races, like for example, in Japan or the
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  other majors, like there's always groups and I do feel like
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  they should London Marathon should almost put more of an
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  incentive and I want them to OK, now we broke into next year.
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  See how many people they can like Jake has been saying on his
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  on his videos before, like how many people we can see break two
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  O 8. Like just get the like the world
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  record for it would be so cool. But I don't know why why it is.
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  But they always just spend so much money on these top top
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  guys. And it's a bit of a shame
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  because there were points in that race to him where you must
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  find we were in a nomad. There was no one like 0.
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  Yeah, it was pretty tricky and I might even diverge into that now
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  at the first little part of the race.
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  And I think we'd spoken about it at the race hotel and after the
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  technical meeting. So my time in mind, I can say it
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  now that it's afterwards. Like I would have loved like I
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  reckon maybe 2830, like that's, I thought even if that was too
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  hot, it would have still been not hot enough that maybe I
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  could handle it and run to A9 low.
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  So 208. Oh yeah, that's what the pace
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  was meant to be. So that's why at the start we
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  were like, yeah, you know, this should be all well and good.
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  And then obviously, yeah, I think it went a bit quicker in
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  the first part being downhill and whatnot.
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  And even just the group dynamics.
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  Was it five of us, I believe, because I remember thinking I
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  had boots with me. We were kind of floating off the
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  back and I was thinking in terms of a majority to try and swing
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  the paces towards us. So I know both of us wanted to
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  stick more to the 6430. I was in Alfisia trying to get
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  hit because I knew it was his first marathon.
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  I was like, oh, surely you want to, you know, take the foot off
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  the throttle a bit here and, you know, let's just play it a bit
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  safe. He was pretty content to keep
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  rolling and I know Adam wanted to push on.
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  So with that being said, it was like, cool, I'll just kind of do
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  my own thing. And we kind of just floated off
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  the back. But the pace was probably just,
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  as Jake said, it was just a little bit tiny, too quick for
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  comfort. But there's there's no point,
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  you know, going slower. So it's just this really awkward
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  in between, yeah. Can I show you the yeah, you
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  know, in the pre race meeting and stuff, how are the groups
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  set up? Are you having input into that
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  or how? Because you know, different
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  races in different ways, but who who actually comes up with the
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  pace group? No idea.
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  There's there was just a sheet with their names printed on it
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  and I was like, cool, that's me. You're not even saying.
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  So the organisers write down like, so they had the European
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  time in mind, but then it would have been me and potentially I
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  was the only person going with that group.
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  So I was like, no point, let me go to a fast group, try and sit
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  with them and then let them go with a slower pack because I
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  didn't want to. I mean, when you do London, if
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  you're by yourself and there's no one in front of you in Canary
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  Wharf, it is the worst thing on this planet.
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  But they were, they just went off PBS.
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  So they put Chaparreau in the 209 Thirty group.
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  He went off with the 206 around 207.
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  They were just complete going off PBS and what like a bit
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  quicker and but then in a meeting you can like talk like
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  so for example, like we should have liked him saying we should
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  have probably backed off. We'd sat Mohammed to shout out
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  to him. He got us A30K.
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  He's Mohammed, Mohammed's brother, Like he was the last
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  two K he was. He was like he was pushing and I
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  think Adam like he, I thought he had a really good race and I
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  thought he was going to go on for something.
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  Like when I saw him at 30 Ki thought he was on to something
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  crazy but I think he struggled towards because Timmy went past
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  and the new Tour at the end. Yeah.
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  I think it about 41 or 40, yeah. He, I think he sort of, I think
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  he was a bit quite aggressive, but but it's, it's the same
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  dynamics. It's like, like I said before,
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  we those five of us in a major marathon and we couldn't even
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  see the group ahead or behind at any stage, not one stage
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  basically. And it's just a bit like, what
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  do you actually do? And we went through halfway in
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  like 64364 four. So we were like we were pushing,
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  but it was a it was a nice group for for the first UK.
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  I was like Chang, I think I was chatting absolute shit.
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  Basically. I was like, oh boys, we got his
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  sub two away, something like that.
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  Yeah. It was quite.
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  Funny, So what on? On reflection, you were a little
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  bit too energetic early doors. Me and Alfie were comparing
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  heart rate to 5K. And Tim, Tim's probably like
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  just trying to be in his own little world.
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  He. Has he has a lot of spirit and
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  I'm like, I want, I want it. Yeah, I was trying to sit at the
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  back and my whole plan was on and I said this to the guys
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  before, like I wanted to try and you know, like if I needed to
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  drop myself off, like I didn't think I was going to run 2 or 8
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  flat at London. So point being like I was never,
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  ever going to stick to that pace.
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  Like as soon as I got the slightest whiff of this is
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  starting to pinch, I was just going to back off.
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  Meaning like if you want to form a second group, I'll be there.
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  And I did feel things like every Jake might know the part on the
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  course. 10K in the crowd started to build up along the river and
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  every time the crowd cheered, the pacer would pick up not
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  Zack, our other one. And it was just like things like
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  that. It felt very far lucky.
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  Yeah, just a few things around that.
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  And just like the group of five, I really felt like we took
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  almost 10 to 15 K to kind of get settled whether it was just the
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  like the occasion, if that makes sense.
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  The amount of excitement Jake kind of touched on there about
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  even the first 5K and still talking, getting splits like as
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  a group. And we probably needed each
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  other more and just, yeah, maybe we could have done more in the
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  first 10K. Whereas, yeah, I think we
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  probably all expended too much energy too early.
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  Yeah, so through halfway, like Jake just said, use a 64 low and
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  that first half of the races, it all gone to plan in terms of
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  getting your bottles from the drink station.
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  No one had pinched them. You got down what you wanted and
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  stuff. Yeah, I didn't pinched any of
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  Jake's bottles. I got all of mine.
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  Daffo stealing some. What?
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  He was on this African guy, he was terrible.
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  He was they said you're table 5I reckon you kept it.
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  You went Table 2, Table 3 and 1 table 4.
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  He took that score 3 every time at.
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  Least he was switching it off. I got all mine and I got a
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  stitch again at around like I had this in Frankfurt as well so
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  I wasn't too concerned, just a bit of gut discomfort around 10
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  or 12 K. So I'll probably look to switch
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  up my nutrition loading in next time.
• 21:00
  That's for me to workout. But I think also around that
• 21:04
  time is probably where I started to not even drop, but just like
• 21:09
  you, just 5 meters. But it wasn't by choice.
• 21:11
  It was like I just knew I needed to sort my guts out.
• 21:14
  So I was kind of, I was silent at that point between probably
• 21:17
  10 and 15. And if anything, I'll probably,
• 21:21
  you know, where, you know, you're starting to work or hurt
• 21:23
  a bit and you know, it's way too early to be feeling like that.
• 21:26
  So I was probably fighting demons through that part of the
• 21:29
  course. Are you able to take the
• 21:32
  atmosphere in as well during this or are you just like fully
• 21:35
  locked in? I was still trying to block it
• 21:38
  out. My plan was to ideally whether I
• 21:41
  was with a group or not, just get to.
• 21:44
  I had the number like 27 in mind but ±2 K depending how I was
• 21:48
  feeling and wanted to try and lift in energy from that point.
• 21:53
  So I was pretty focused on getting to 27, feeling OK ish.
• 22:01
  It's funny because, well, I was watching the race and then I've
• 22:04
  looked back at the splits to kind of try and piece the story
• 22:06
  together. So you just went through
• 22:08
  halfway, Tim. You were a little bit off the
• 22:11
  back by that point. And then between 20 and 30 K,
• 22:16
  Jake went through the 30K split, 20 seconds ahead here.
• 22:19
  And then by the 35K split you'd actually gone through that.
• 22:23
  I had the Jake. So had you at that point, Jake,
• 22:27
  were you still thinking like, shit, I'm on And you started
• 22:29
  rolling and then it kind of bit quite early.
• 22:34
  I think it like like I've said to my coaching stuff, I'm I was
• 22:39
  21 miles fit at 208. He's like if you told me at the
• 22:42
  start of the it's not a bad place.
• 22:44
  I let it get to me. Like if you look at my horror
• 22:46
  days and stuff, I let it get to me too much.
• 22:49
  So Adam, when the Pacers dropped out of 30 K, Adam was in front
• 22:53
  of me. He was helping me out and he
• 22:55
  basically made a surge. And I like said these words like
• 22:58
  I'm fucked basically. But you know when you say it,
• 23:01
  but you're, you're actually not because he puts like 2 meters on
• 23:04
  you. And then I just like from 3537,
• 23:08
  I picked it back up to pace when Tim went past me, I almost like
• 23:12
  almost closed the gap a bit again.
• 23:14
  But then I just the, the problem I had is yeah, OK, I went off
• 23:19
  too hot. But I put so much like, like I
• 23:22
  said, I wanted that fairy tale ending.
• 23:23
  I put so much belief in men like I train.
• 23:26
  I, I don't think anything went wrong with training.
• 23:28
  I just put so much pressure on myself to get this time because
• 23:32
  it would have been quite a cool story, like from everything I've
• 23:34
  done and help people to run the time.
• 23:38
  So when I saw like the time sort of slipping, I it just got to me
• 23:42
  way too much. So it's like, yeah, I it's one
• 23:48
  of those as well. It's like, I don't want to be
• 23:50
  like rude to myself. But now I feel like a 212 is a
• 23:53
  really like a shit performance on on my level, on the way I
• 23:57
  execute and stuff. So it gives me, it shows where
• 24:00
  I'm at. It's just, I don't know if you
• 24:02
  boys have ever been in the race and it's like, you know, when
• 24:04
  the time's slipping away, just it's so hard to get back out.
• 24:09
  So I really want that British best and I, it's completely on
• 24:12
  me. I, I completely executed it
• 24:15
  wrong, but I kind of wish when Tim went past, I just tried to
• 24:20
  like just sit on it. But Tim made me laugh because
• 24:22
  when he went past, he told me at the end that when he hurts, he
• 24:25
  like, he like does little waves and I didn't, I thought he was
• 24:29
  like chilling. But then he's like, mate, I was
• 24:31
  cooked When I, when I, I like wave at the eagle.
• 24:34
  And I'm not gonna lie, I was, I, I went straight after I crossed
• 24:38
  the line. I went and sat by myself by tree
• 24:40
  for 10 minutes, just like so upset.
• 24:45
  I think the worst thing is because I've had, it was my
• 24:47
  first bad race tonight. I've had such consistent results
• 24:50
  and show where I'm at. It's my first bad race in the
• 24:52
  year and it had to be London. That was the worst thing.
• 24:55
  But it is what it is. It happens and we go again I
• 25:00
  guess. Yeah, well, the worst thing is
• 25:04
  when you know yourself. Because.
• 25:07
  It's only those who decide whether you're happy with the
• 25:10
  performance or you're not. And then no matter how many
• 25:13
  times different people tell you like 0212, it's still an amazing
• 25:17
  run. If you're not happy, you're not
• 25:18
  happy. And like, it doesn't matter what
• 25:20
  anyone says because like you said, you, you've almost moved
• 25:24
  to that 209 place mentally. Like you know, you are the
• 25:27
  athlete. So then to not get that result,
• 25:30
  you're just full of like so much frustration because you know
• 25:33
  that that's what you deserve and what you'd almost earned.
• 25:36
  So yeah, I can release, but your day will come for sure.
• 25:41
  Yeah, And it's like it's I put together another plot this like
• 25:45
  maybe it's like I need to get go to the Ranch Japan book and do
• 25:50
  some more longer tempers. I feel like I need a couple more
• 25:53
  of them. Whereas like I think my heart
• 25:55
  shape at then would have been insane.
• 25:57
  Just going through like 64 felt like we were just jogging
• 26:01
  basically. But then I just felt like I
• 26:04
  hadn't done the like I just missed a couple of those longer
• 26:09
  stuff. But like every block you learn.
• 26:11
  So I got through another block. Yeah, it was, it was I, I I
• 26:16
  wouldn't, I don't wouldn't change anything really.
• 26:18
  It's been it's been such a but I've loved like talking about it
• 26:21
  and stuff. But I was in absolute.
• 26:24
  I was so upset. I was so upset afterwards.
• 26:28
  But it's that's a marathon guess.
• 26:31
  And it was so funny because Tim said to my sister after he was
• 26:34
  like, yeah, Jake's complain about 212 party from outside 220
• 26:38
  when you've blown up before or something like that in a
• 26:41
  marathon. So that gave me a bit of
• 26:42
  positive. Reinforcement should have seen
• 26:46
  me run Daegu. I think what year was that?
• 26:49
  Might have been 2024. It was like a hotter day than
• 26:53
  what they're planned. I think it was Gold Label Race.
• 26:56
  So they're trying to get as many guys to the Olympics as well
• 26:59
  they could. And I think the Olympic time,
• 27:02
  what was it, 2? Was it 206, thirty or 207?
• 27:06
  So that was the pace pack. And I was, I was a 212 guy at
• 27:10
  the time. So it was, yeah, that was a long
• 27:13
  day. I think I ran 217 and there were
• 27:16
  a few 340 fives in there. So I, I look back on it, that
• 27:22
  made me a lot tougher. And I hope to never have a day
• 27:25
  like that again. I don't think anyone further up
• 27:31
  in the field dropped out, did they?
• 27:32
  Usually? Like we were joking about people
• 27:34
  getting to tune back and stuff. Was it?
• 27:37
  I got Jake. Was there a British guy that
• 27:40
  dropped back that they were passed?
• 27:42
  Oh no. Past the results, yeah, I got 1
• 27:46
  athlete, but that was half the thing with our group's plan.
• 27:48
  Like I, I was trying to GR Alfie at about, oh, maybe 8K because
• 27:55
  Jake and Adam were kind of at the front of the group, so I
• 27:58
  could only get to Alfie. But my whole plan for all of us
• 28:01
  was like, if we could work together and sit together, we're
• 28:04
  just going to have so many people come back to us.
• 28:06
  And I felt like I started to even execute that myself, like
• 28:09
  not perfectly, but I wasn't, I wasn't dying.
• 28:12
  I was kind of just just staying alive and no one came back.
• 28:15
  It was just. Last year, 20 miles, I passed
• 28:20
  four people. The person you had to pass was
• 28:22
  Phil Sessman. That was the next person.
• 28:24
  I've never, ever seen anything like that in London.
• 28:26
  Like never. It's a first year.
• 28:29
  Yeah, I thought I saw Phil. Right at the end.
• 28:33
  But it was obviously like a minute and it was like as you
• 28:37
  pass Big Ben on that very long straight and Phil was turning
• 28:40
  right to do the penultimate turn before the finish.
• 28:43
  And I was like, yes, wait, that's like that's 300 meters.
• 28:49
  Maybe if the race was another K, you might have got Petrus
• 28:52
  because it cooked. It cooked to him maybe like 40K
• 28:56
  or something and it looked like he was jogging because like Diva
• 28:59
  and Peter Lynch just like flew past them.
• 29:03
  So although he's finished like obviously with a good time and
• 29:06
  stuff, I think he was doing the moonwalk by that point.
• 29:10
  Yeah, I think he can probably run 204 or something on a
• 29:16
  different day. What's he?
• 29:17
  Has he run 205? No, I.
• 29:19
  Was running No 204. He was going for 2:03. 204.
• 29:22
  At least yeah, yeah, he's plus with the the second at worlds,
• 29:26
  like everyone has a bad day here and there and if that's a bad
• 29:30
  day for him is pretty damn good athlete.
• 29:34
  And so, Tim, just to, to cook to your final result, you obviously
• 29:38
  agonizingly missed out on a PB by one second.
• 29:41
  Was it? At what point did you like
• 29:44
  realize your day had gone from fighting for the sub 29 or
• 29:48
  whatever to OK let's try and salvage a PB and like what was
• 29:52
  the kind of last few KS like there?
• 29:56
  From like 25 K when it just or I don't even know.
• 30:01
  It was between 25 and 30 where I started to, I saw the pace would
• 30:05
  kind of drop so it could even be after 30.
• 30:07
  It was all a bit of a blur and I saw the three other fellas had
• 30:11
  broken up and I was just trying to go one at a time and get them
• 30:15
  all back. From that point I never actually
• 30:17
  looked at my watch and that was my whole thinking.
• 30:19
  I was like time is irrelevant. This is the part of the marathon
• 30:23
  where I run, as you know, like you're conserving the whole
• 30:26
  part, first part to run as hard as you can in the second.
• 30:31
  So I just never looked. So in my head I could have been
• 30:34
  running. I knew I definitely wasn't
• 30:35
  running 208. It felt really slow the pace I
• 30:38
  was running, but I was like, what can I do?
• 30:41
  Like I've got, I've got a choice here.
• 30:42
  It's like you foot on the floor or not.
• 30:46
  So yeah, I got through the 40K clock.
• 30:48
  I wasn't worried about any of the other clocks.
• 30:51
  I didn't do the maths for the extra 200 and I was like, oh, I
• 30:54
  could be on for 208 here. And then I was like, Oh no, I'm
• 30:59
  not like 2850 or something. I was like, oh, if I can close
• 31:03
  all right here and then there's a little 1% incline up to Big
• 31:08
  Ben or whatnot. I'm not even sure I was running
• 31:10
  three 20s there. So yeah, it all the wheels fell
• 31:13
  off pretty quickly towards the end.
• 31:14
  But I think the key for me, it was more the mentality, Like I
• 31:19
  was really proud of what I got out of myself.
• 31:22
  Like not in terms of splits or anything, but it got hard and it
• 31:26
  got hard for all of us. I kept myself honest, put it
• 31:30
  that way. Yeah, well, you've done an
• 31:35
  incredibly, like you've literally run a lifetime best
• 31:38
  minus a second, but what's that? And you like coming away from it
• 31:42
  feeling a little bit salty that you didn't run faster, but
• 31:46
  rewind back to Frankfurt when you probably over the bloody
• 31:50
  moon thinking how ever done this.
• 31:52
  Whereas now you've got the same result, different mindset.
• 31:55
  So it shows progress in a different element I guess
• 31:58
  doesn't? It exactly right.
• 32:00
  And one of the big takeaways for me, I'm trying to remind myself
• 32:04
  of is like a, the whole training block and those gains aren't
• 32:08
  lost. But to get like better and even
• 32:13
  run a faster marathon, I'm going to have to go through it 64
• 32:17
  again. And like even the next one that
• 32:20
  probably won't change much. It's probably within 15 seconds
• 32:23
  either side of that halfway split.
• 32:24
  So I think now you just hope for not necessarily different
• 32:30
  conditions, but ideally, you know, I think I like cooler
• 32:33
  weather, me personally. So a few things change and you
• 32:36
  go, you actually probably don't change the pacing.
• 32:39
  It's just can you? Can you do better at that same
• 32:41
  split? Yes.
• 32:44
  So we spoke briefly offline about the weather before.
• 32:47
  How did you both find the temperature and the wind and all
• 32:51
  the conditions, and how do you then comprehend what happened
• 32:55
  off the top of the race? It's really like the wind was
• 33:00
  obviously very favorable for us. I didn't feel it, but I know it
• 33:03
  makes a massive difference because I felt it when we turn
• 33:06
  right off Tower Bridge heading towards Canary Wharf, probably
• 33:10
  in the 1st 5K. Like really the only spots we
• 33:12
  had a headwind so the rest of it's helping us.
• 33:17
  I think warm's the right word, but I felt as if every time
• 33:21
  there was plain water on the side, I think it was staggered.
• 33:24
  2 1/2 KS from personal drinks. I was pouring bottles on myself
• 33:28
  and even just reflecting to the half in Ghent, which might have
• 33:33
  been three to five degrees. I've I personally feel more
• 33:37
  comfortable in that climate, but not at all an excuse because
• 33:42
  there's plenty of athletes that perform well.
• 33:43
  There were two world records that went down, but that's just
• 33:47
  how I felt. So how did you both find out
• 33:51
  that they'd broken to? Like do you get told pretty
• 33:53
  quickly or? Yeah, that was that was my first
• 33:57
  question when I crossed the line what what the winners run.
• 34:01
  It was like, like it was saying like in you couldn't have asked
• 34:06
  them better weather than that in London.
• 34:08
  It was, it was like in terms of London weather, it was, it was
• 34:11
  the best weather I've seen. So like compared to a year
• 34:16
  before and stuff. I think that's what made me so
• 34:19
  upset because it's like when we're going to get that again in
• 34:23
  a London Marathon. So.
• 34:26
  But yeah, it was, yeah, I'm still trying to put my head
• 34:30
  around it. The splits, like they were
• 34:32
  running and stuff because like London, like of course he's very
• 34:36
  quick and stuff. But then I think the biggest
• 34:38
  thing I take away is he put 7 minutes on chapter guys and I'm
• 34:43
  like, I can't, I still can't understand that.
• 34:46
  Or like he's spending nearly 7 minutes on Patty Devon PLA.
• 34:49
  Like like how like these are like these are guys who you put
• 34:54
  Patty Devon, you're if he did, you're a marathon.
• 34:56
  He's winning it like he can win it.
• 34:58
  So it's like, I just, yeah, I just, I just hope those two are
• 35:05
  one in 4 billion people like the POG of like, you know, just,
• 35:11
  they're just that good. I just really, really, really
• 35:14
  hope. But I still just can't.
• 35:17
  I just don't understand to be honest.
• 35:21
  The Kajal sure one's just the madness.
• 35:23
  It just like changes everything you think you understand about
• 35:27
  Marathon and like how do you do that on debut?
• 35:30
  He'd better not do another. I would stop if I was him.
• 35:33
  I would never do another marathon.
• 35:34
  Like, what is the point? But when he, when he's.
• 35:40
  No one runs their best on debut. It's like literally no one.
• 35:44
  No one nails the marathon on debut.
• 35:46
  So he could only get better then you'd think.
• 35:52
  Yeah. He's scary scary.
• 35:59
  Well, that's London for this year at least.
• 36:02
  You guys, you had a positive experience like Tim, how's how's
• 36:06
  it compare to you obviously run the world champs in September
• 36:09
  gone kind of at the pinnacle of the sport alongside that's it's
• 36:13
  perhaps London Marathon. How do the two experiences
• 36:17
  compare or differ? I really liked London because
• 36:22
  felt like you're running for yourself at the end of the day
• 36:25
  as well. Whereas Tokyo, particularly with
• 36:28
  the like having Liam beside me and the prep that we'd had with
• 36:31
  our injuries and you're both wearing the green and gold in
• 36:34
  the same group that was, we were honestly running as a team that
• 36:37
  day and we're trying to survive. Whereas like out there at
• 36:40
  London, like you, yeah, you run for yourself.
• 36:43
  You can possibly qualify for future events.
• 36:46
  You can, you know, it's it's it's a race at the end of the
• 36:49
  day. The crowds were just as good.
• 36:54
  You had the, I remember crossing Tower Bridge and just looking up
• 36:57
  like I wasn't even worried about the race.
• 36:59
  I was actually just being a tourist.
• 37:01
  So there are a few moments like that.
• 37:03
  And yeah, I, I actually thought I was like, man, it's going to
• 37:07
  be hard to run marathons now. Like I've run Tokyo World Champs
• 37:11
  and then straight into London. So I've spoiled myself a bit and
• 37:15
  I've probably set the bar a bit high for a while in terms of
• 37:19
  running nice marathons. It was, yeah, really incredible.
• 37:22
  There was only one little silence, but I remember which I
• 37:25
  was waiting for around Canary Wharf and apart from that you
• 37:29
  come out of there and there's people everywhere again.
• 37:33
  London as a race because I've watched it a few times oversea.
• 37:37
  I've never done it. I said at the beginning I'm
• 37:40
  going to need some persuading to choose London over the mighty
• 37:44
  Yamagata Reki then. But yeah, what would you always
• 37:46
  reckon that is it the best atmosphere of any race on Earth?
• 37:50
  But how? Yeah.
• 37:51
  How would you rate it as an actual marathon to choose?
• 37:56
  It it definitely is, but it definitely is pretty good.
• 38:00
  But you need so like for example, you know the 211 pack
• 38:05
  there was George Grassley and Andy Fife.
• 38:08
  They're like in terms of marathons you've done if you
• 38:13
  it's unreal atmosphere, but you have to you might be with one
• 38:17
  other person the whole race. That's the only issue with it.
• 38:23
  And it's like like next year, like say if I pace it again, I
• 38:27
  want to make sure I'm pacing a big group of people.
• 38:31
  But like the 214 group, there was like 30 people.
• 38:34
  But like the groups in front, it's just scattered.
• 38:37
  That's the only problem with but they, like Tim was saying that
• 38:40
  the best bits were when you were under the under the tunnels
• 38:43
  because you couldn't hear a thing because it was just too
• 38:45
  loud. But yeah, it's a bit, it's a bit
• 38:49
  nuts. I think Alfie and I were quite
• 38:51
  lucky because we were only groups in our little group so we
• 38:54
  got quite a few shout outs. It's like actually you're
• 38:59
  saying, I almost think the loneliest place on Earth in
• 39:02
  running is if you're running in between about 2:15 and 26.
• 39:07
  It's the only place in virtually any race.
• 39:10
  If you look at the results, there's never really like it's
• 39:14
  the same with all these Japanese races.
• 39:16
  There's two O 6 and then it's maybe top female group or like
• 39:20
  the top subbelite at 2:15. It's a weird place almost where,
• 39:25
  yeah, if you're a bit better, you can guarantee any race you
• 39:28
  go, you're going to be in the front group with the pacemakers.
• 39:31
  It's actually so hard to find. I was looking even like planning
• 39:34
  my next race schedule, just looking over any race in the
• 39:37
  world, it's to find a group that goes maybe 64 to 66 through
• 39:42
  half. It's pretty rare.
• 39:44
  It's like, yeah, it's hard to know how to do it because I
• 39:47
  think it's such a big factor having that group versus running
• 39:50
  solo. Like I mean that could be worth
• 39:52
  2 minutes easily over the marathon, the perceived effort
• 39:55
  there. 6465 How many people did it?
• 39:58
  Like 60,000, like it was a world record and there were five
• 40:01
  people. Five people out of what is that?
• 40:05
  I don't even know what percentage wise that is, but
• 40:08
  like that's the only problem is like you.
• 40:09
  But then you look at Valencia. I paced Valencia before I paced
• 40:12
  A2 a group. I swear to God I had 40 guys on
• 40:15
  the far .40 yards and it's like what?
• 40:18
  What, Like, So yeah, it's like, I honest like Ji, if you will.
• 40:24
  All right. The shouts for you would be
• 40:26
  insane. You may be too much though.
• 40:30
  I feel like I just lose my head. I'd be.
• 40:32
  I'd drop A5 KPV and then absolutely pop.
• 40:36
  This is too good. Yeah, I think my biggest take
• 40:41
  away from London was it was actually the week after I was
• 40:44
  actually quite tipsy in there. British Athletics, like head
• 40:47
  coach Tom Craigs called me just like, well, to tell me I hadn't
• 40:50
  made the tea for Euros. But because I was on the
• 40:52
  rankings from my half and my mark, because, you know, you get
• 40:55
  points and stuff, That's my first one in five years getting
• 40:59
  a call. So I was a positive.
• 41:01
  But again, it was the same call as last time you have made the
• 41:04
  team, so I'm quite good at that. Is that the call you're
• 41:10
  expecting? Yeah, that was the call, right?
• 41:12
  So they're pretty sure that it's only taking 5 out of 6 athletes
• 41:17
  to Birmingham, which are still big nuts.
• 41:21
  And it you have they sent us like what's happening?
• 41:24
  You're staying in a Premier Inn for two days before the race.
• 41:26
  So they will send was it 30 guys, the World Rd. relays for a
• 41:32
  four by one team to drop the baton again in Bahamas yesterday
• 41:36
  and they can't send six guys. And I think the problem is I
• 41:39
  think 6th place, it was like in terms of rankings, there was
• 41:45
  like there was like 10 points between me, Ben Connor, Alfie
• 41:49
  Mantov and Ellis Cross. And of course Ellis Cross ran
• 41:52
  quicker and Seville, but he didn't do it's, it's like, you
• 41:55
  know, it's, it's up to the coach, but I would have put my
• 41:57
  name up there for like a reserve.
• 41:59
  So if someone did get injured, but they are refusing to take
• 42:03
  six guys to a home champ, which is a bit that I think that was
• 42:07
  the most annoying thing. Even if I didn't get selected,
• 42:09
  they're still not taking 6, which I think is a bit.
• 42:14
  You know, now pretty much British athletics is like, if
• 42:17
  there's a time and you've got to run that, that's all they care
• 42:20
  about it. It just seems like pretty much
• 42:22
  that's the way. Doesn't matter about the
• 42:24
  rankings, none of that. They want to make it as
• 42:26
  difficult as possible, send as little people.
• 42:28
  So it's almost like, yeah, you don't hit the time, you have no
• 42:31
  chance with them. So there's that.
• 42:34
  That's what I find. You name those four guys I've
• 42:36
  just named how many like Champs Ben Connor's been to You put us
• 42:40
  in a Birmingham, of course, in a team event.
• 42:42
  I'm pretty sure we're going to be quite a few Europeans all of
• 42:44
  like one of us. But yeah, that that's the most
• 42:49
  upsetting thing about it. Like they're just not taking six
• 42:51
  and like there's no reason why not really, but.
• 42:56
  I think it's it's good that you're willing to be like
• 42:59
  outspoken about it and like just call the spade the spade,
• 43:02
  because there's probably lots of athletes out there who feel that
• 43:06
  way, but probably want to also protect their relationship as
• 43:09
  well. And ultimately that's not going
• 43:11
  to like change anything at the end of the day.
• 43:13
  So could like everyone kind of get together because although
• 43:17
  like some people have been sorted out this time and
• 43:20
  obviously they've got the results to justify, who knows
• 43:23
  that a future championships, they might be on the wrong end
• 43:27
  of it. So it would probably be in the
• 43:29
  best interest of everyone to kind of try and sit down with
• 43:33
  British athletics and come to some sort of mutual agreement.
• 43:36
  Because the Tokyo team there was like they took like half a team,
• 43:40
  didn't they? Like the 10 Ki think that they
• 43:42
  only take Cali thackery and no males.
• 43:45
  And the marathon there was, like, hardly anyone.
• 43:49
  Well, it was. It was funny when in Tokyo when
• 43:53
  Julia Patson in one kept got bronze and she she left Britain
• 43:58
  to go to Uruguay because you couldn't get the time and they
• 44:01
  got third of world. That was the best thing I've
• 44:03
  ever seen in terms towards British athletics.
• 44:05
  I laughed so hard. Because she wasn't a British,
• 44:10
  she wouldn't have got picked like.
• 44:13
  She's the. Perfect, perfect example of
• 44:16
  like, yeah, take your chance on someone.
• 44:18
  You could come over to bronze. Imagine if they sent you that,
• 44:22
  like if you were just like Jake. Oh, I'm literally living here.
• 44:25
  Give me a vest. I.
• 44:27
  Was saying that it's like I'm ready to go, put me in if a
• 44:31
  meal. If a meal gets injured, I'll
• 44:33
  save my house. I'll save my house, just give me
• 44:36
  the rest. Yeah, but then Jake's like, I
• 44:43
  know you've got a partnership with like is GB, Adidas or Nike
• 44:47
  nowadays, whoever they use. You've been getting a Brooks
• 44:54
  Brooks vest printed. Yeah, yeah, whack a sticker over
• 44:58
  the time. Well, on to you then.
• 45:03
  Jake, how was your weekends? Give us a rundown.
• 45:05
  Again, it was a three day event and you're running on the first
• 45:09
  day. Yeah, yeah, that was the the
• 45:13
  biggest challenge was going to be getting through.
• 45:15
  So it was a 20K leg. It's a pretty much half marathon
• 45:18
  on day one. And then coming back, recovery
• 45:22
  day 2, coming back for A13K day three.
• 45:27
  And the Oh yeah, that half marathon was brutal as well
• 45:32
  because it was the whole prefecture.
• 45:35
  So Yamagata literally means in Japanese mountain shape.
• 45:40
  So like the actual preferences he's called that, you know, this
• 45:43
  course is going to be brutal. And yeah, it's just rolling
• 45:45
  hills, ups and downs actually destroys the legs.
• 45:50
  So then coming back for that third day was horrendous.
• 45:54
  I, I surprised myself, I I thought maybe coming in based on
• 45:58
  training, I could maybe knock out absolute best case, maybe
• 46:02
  310 per K. So like, that's about what's
• 46:07
  that 60, 663067 minute half marathon kind of shape.
• 46:14
  I was thinking, yeah, if I absolutely buried myself, I
• 46:16
  could pull that one out. But actually I think maybe, and
• 46:20
  I've always wondered this in the the this weird thing where the
• 46:25
  Japanese national records, all of them actually get smashed
• 46:29
  during echidom races, but they don't count.
• 46:33
  So it's like you have every year plenty of Japanese guys running
• 46:37
  58 minute half marathons, 22K23K.
• 46:40
  And I've never understood it. I'm like, how, how is it
• 46:42
  possible? And I think it's purely just
• 46:45
  because you're effectively running with the pressure of the
• 46:48
  team. So it's like in a weird way,
• 46:51
  obviously in a solo race, a marathon, you're giving
• 46:55
  everything you possibly can, but I felt more pressure in a way
• 47:00
  where maybe it's like you ease off the pace slightly when
• 47:03
  you're hurting, like even you think you can go, you think you
• 47:07
  can't go further. But when it's like you've got
• 47:09
  this support car behind you shouting out the whole way
• 47:12
  telling you the split, it's like Shannon, OK, the gaps this
• 47:14
  you're closing in on the leader. This is this like, let's go,
• 47:17
  let's go. You always feel like, OK, I
• 47:19
  cannot let the team down because for everyone, I guess the non
• 47:24
  elite runners in the race, the non pros, this is pretty much
• 47:27
  the biggest race of the year for all the amateur runners.
• 47:30
  So they've trained effectively as a team for a whole year
• 47:33
  building up to this race. There's like I've got the
• 47:36
  longest leg of the whole thing that I cannot let the team down.
• 47:40
  So I actually killed myself there, managed to get the
• 47:42
  fastest time of my leg. So it came out as it was like
• 47:46
  307 AK. It's like a 65 mid half
• 47:50
  marathon, which is way better than I thought considering how
• 47:55
  little training I'd been doing, how recently I'd sort of come
• 47:57
  back in. So I was pretty buzzing with
• 47:59
  that. And then it was just survival,
• 48:02
  like trying to somehow come back.
• 48:04
  Because usually you imagine after a flat out half marathon,
• 48:07
  it's probably a week before you're even attempting a
• 48:11
  session, like 2 weeks before you're back to normal.
• 48:15
  I was condensing that down to one day recovery and then
• 48:19
  another completely flat out effort on the the Wednesday
• 48:23
  after this Monday half marathon. And yeah, it was, it was like so
• 48:29
  painful. Just the pure DOMS, like every
• 48:32
  muscle in my body was just like crippling pain.
• 48:37
  That was just the warm up. So this is before the race
• 48:39
  actually started on the day. The day.
• 48:43
  In between you do just a little 12K shakeout though.
• 48:48
  Yeah, yeah, that. Was just to.
• 48:50
  Try and get some normality in the body getting moving.
• 48:53
  But yeah. And that that that was a
• 48:55
  struggle on itself. Were you like triple dosing on
• 49:01
  the no? Meal I was.
• 49:04
  On everything the I was. On the bicarb, the beetroot, the
• 49:10
  caffeine, just trying to numb the page.
• 49:12
  Get get me through that second leg.
• 49:15
  Do you find you're going to do that before you're?
• 49:17
  Like so you do a marathon, Why don't you just tell yourself
• 49:20
  like this is an academic lad? Like it's just 42 K The boys
• 49:24
  lead a big run here. I've always wondered all I.
• 49:27
  Need is just a gun because I've always wondered like if you
• 49:32
  tell. If you get yourself in that
• 49:33
  mental head face, like you said, like just think like, you could
• 49:37
  absolutely fly. Yeah, it's it almost doesn't.
• 49:42
  Look like another level because I, I went on that sort of my
• 49:46
  second leg, I kind of, I realised I had a couple guys
• 49:51
  behind me. So we, I picked it up in the
• 49:53
  lead and a couple guys behind you, a sort of 28 minute in the
• 49:58
  28 minute 10K range. So pretty rapid.
• 50:02
  So I knew they were going to be coming at me and I had like a
• 50:05
  32nd gap and I picked it up. So I just go out hard.
• 50:09
  And I'd actually done a track race 2 weeks before I dropped
• 50:13
  that 1459. It's a flat out track race.
• 50:17
  I split the exact same 1459 through 5K already.
• 50:22
  Like my legs are absolutely gone.
• 50:24
  And this is like a gradual uphill as well.
• 50:27
  And I can't, I can't explain how cooked I was at 5K.
• 50:31
  Like nothing left. So then yeah, if that had been a
• 50:35
  solar race, like I think I'd have been slipping to three,
• 50:38
  like three 20s, like completely pop.
• 50:42
  But managed to rally and actually, yeah, average 302 for
• 50:46
  the whole leg, picking up, yes, a few little sub threes at the
• 50:51
  end to yeah, completely bury myself.
• 50:55
  Just new realm of pain. It was yeah, different kind of
• 50:58
  feeling to any race I've done before.
• 51:00
  And it's different type of marathon, which I mean, I've
• 51:03
  basically blacked out in marathons before.
• 51:06
  That's there's nothing new. But this is more just my body
• 51:10
  was just like reaching a point where it shouldn't be out of
• 51:15
  reach like based of all the training recently, all the the
• 51:17
  sessions are done shouldn't have been possible.
• 51:20
  So it's it's quite cool to see that almost you can do more than
• 51:25
  like you. You should physically be out.
• 51:27
  It's like your your body puts a limiter, but you can, I guess,
• 51:30
  override that If if the the the men to side if you really just
• 51:35
  like want to give it everything, which I guess when you've got
• 51:37
  the whole team, yeah, relying and you've got to.
• 51:40
  So is it All in all, great? Yeah, great fun, but horrendous
• 51:46
  storms for an entire week. I'm still feeling the after
• 51:49
  effect now. Even if you if.
• 51:52
  You took those two. Races and put them like 2 weeks
• 51:54
  apart and said you ran A20K at 30 sevens and 13 K at 30 twos.
• 52:00
  The 13 K is almost better by itself, let alone the fact that
• 52:06
  you've run 20K20 like 48 hours prior.
• 52:12
  Yes, it almost doesn't make sense.
• 52:14
  I mean, I'm I'm like the ultimate car always.
• 52:17
  So I think even in my absolute best shape, I'm like 250 fives
• 52:22
  are still very hard for me. So and that's a completely
• 52:26
  fresh, perfect training all of that.
• 52:29
  So it is mad that yeah, I guess, I guess that's it.
• 52:33
  I've. Got to somehow.
• 52:34
  All I need is in my marathon, a support car following me the
• 52:38
  entire way, calling out the splits as we go, telling me to
• 52:42
  stop being a pussy and and give it my hold for the team.
• 52:46
  There we go, job done. You just need to tell yourself
• 52:49
  the children's on your. Part Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 52:55
  They're they're coming for me. I've got to deliver the grids.
• 53:00
  Is that your first proper academic?
• 53:01
  Experience. Then, since being over there,
• 53:05
  I've done a. Couple before I've done actually
• 53:07
  the highest level 1. It's like the pro team, one
• 53:13
  company team. So like against Toyota, Honda,
• 53:16
  all of them as a a club team with my Tokyo club mates.
• 53:22
  So that was actually a funny thing with that one.
• 53:25
  They've got a rule where you can only have one foreigner on each
• 53:28
  team and that foreigners designated the shortest leg.
• 53:32
  So it's basically me and 30 Kenyans who've all ran the 27
• 53:38
  flat for 10K. At least you're like, we had
• 53:40
  Olympic medalist, world champions in there.
• 53:43
  Absolute joke. And I'm running like 30 minute
• 53:46
  10K behind them. So actually, yeah, this, this is
• 53:50
  a bit more chill versus that. So how did the team do?
• 53:53
  Overall, did they like qualify or do what they needed to do So
• 53:58
  this was? This was just a.
• 53:59
  Flat Championship. So it was just purely just all
• 54:03
  in on this one. We managed to 70th year, we
• 54:07
  actually broke the course record by 10 minutes.
• 54:11
  The only sort of problem, another team broke it by 16
• 54:15
  minutes. So we we gave it everything and
• 54:19
  still somehow came away with second.
• 54:22
  Unbelievable. You are the.
• 54:24
  Kajal Chair in this case, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:28
  But all of that, just a second place gutting.
• 54:34
  And usually now the conversation.
• 54:36
  Would turn to like the standard, oh, what's that coming next?
• 54:39
  But I do have the Launceston running festival fields up in
• 54:43
  front of me and I can see two names on there which are looking
• 54:47
  quite familiar. So are we?
• 54:50
  Are we able to confirm nor deny if those names are legitimate to
• 54:53
  be on there? As far as yeah, this.
• 54:58
  Week's going Yeah, this stage, yes.
• 55:06
  And I guess, yeah, the, the big race enhancement has been
• 55:09
  announced by the organizers. Yeah, I'm, I'm on that list.
• 55:15
  Anything from now is just way too hot in Japan.
• 55:17
  So this is Aussie season now. I'm, I'm heading over there.
• 55:21
  Tim, I'll see you there. Will you do Goldie?
• 55:25
  Again, no. No race.
• 55:27
  Announcement. Yeah.
• 55:28
  Well, yeah, it needs to be seen. All I'll say to listeners.
• 55:32
  It's it's the convenient for the Aussie winter round.
• 55:35
  That's that's probably the next one.
• 55:37
  It seems to be a popular one for the.
• 55:38
  Japanese that that sort of Aussie racing calendar.
• 55:44
  Will you have interest at Gold Coast then?
• 55:48
  Well, it I'm. Just trying to remember the time
• 55:51
  gap. So I got a weird next two
• 55:53
  months. I'd really love to run Sydney
• 55:57
  Marathon. I'm not confirmed yet but I've
• 55:59
  been pretty. I've said that publicly.
• 56:01
  Like I'd like to start it so that then if you get work back
• 56:04
  from there I'd like to run a fast half, whether it be Gold
• 56:08
  Coast or Lonnie. I've also been a bit naughty and
• 56:11
  I've got five days at the World Cup in Vancouver with Dad, two
• 56:14
  weeks before Gold Coast. So all of a sudden it's like I'm
• 56:18
  probably a bit banged up from London, got the World Cup in
• 56:21
  June. I'll get something done
• 56:24
  somewhere, I just don't really know what yet.
• 56:26
  And then Sydney's probably after that.
• 56:29
  So still working it out. I'll probably know more in two
• 56:33
  weeks once I get back training. So where you're flying to?
• 56:38
  Jake, where's the base point? Because I don't think you can
• 56:41
  fly straight into Tasmania, can you for?
• 56:45
  Me no. I can go direct.
• 56:48
  I can go yeah, yeah, yeah. Tokyo straight in easy money.
• 56:55
  Like can you go? Is that actually?
• 56:56
  The thing? Surely not, yeah.
• 57:00
  Unless I've unless I've got my flight run, let me go.
• 57:03
  I'm not sure you're going on one system.
• 57:06
  I really, yeah. Yeah, hang on, Am I going to the
• 57:09
  right place? I've I've booked it wherever it
• 57:11
  is. I can barely get to Brisbane
• 57:13
  Direct. It's.
• 57:14
  Like 1 flight a day. Yeah, the charm not too.
• 57:19
  Fair I may. Have a little, I may have a
• 57:22
  little stopper from Melbourne. I've not plugged it in in a lot
• 57:26
  of detail. The the flight has been booked.
• 57:28
  Who knows, I might end up in Melbourne.
• 57:31
  I might get to Launceston. Either way I'm I'm running
• 57:33
  somewhere in Australia next month.
• 57:38
  Do you know the Japanese? Guys on that start list, Jake,
• 57:41
  because there's a few of them in Launceston, Utah.
• 57:44
  Yeah, yeah. Taruki.
• 57:46
  Shimada. Yeah, it's like.
• 57:49
  I don't know, Joe Brett, Lana, the Japan running news.
• 57:53
  Yeah, he's the agent for all the Japanese boys, So.
• 57:58
  And actually, Ethan Shuli, you know who ran 207, who's also in
• 58:04
  Tokyo, He is a cart horse, that guy, because.
• 58:06
  I know he said he got ill, but like how can he run 1350?
• 58:10
  But 207? It's still goes through me like
• 58:14
  like he's 207, so much better than 13, but it's weird.
• 58:18
  He's almost. Become a Japanese because that's
• 58:21
  almost like them. The Japanese see it as you can
• 58:23
  run 1350 and then they'll translate that to a 207.
• 58:29
  So he's doing 8 times in a row. Yeah, Brian Faye went to.
• 58:34
  Japan around 1330. But then over a marathon surely
• 58:38
  would absolutely smack him, yeah?
• 58:42
  It's they are the ultimate. Quarter Horses, the Japanese
• 58:45
  crazy conversion but yeah, now he's, I think Brett's organised
• 58:50
  all the Japanese boys coming over.
• 58:51
  It should be rapid and they're going for yeah 60 flat something
• 58:56
  course record. Have you run it before Tim or
• 58:59
  not? So the race has been.
• 59:01
  Improved like every year for probably the last five.
• 59:04
  I think last year was the first year it was a gold label and I
• 59:08
  was like still injured or coming back then, so I didn't race
• 59:12
  that. I think even this year I think
• 59:14
  it's slightly changed, like it just keeps getting faster.
• 59:19
  It's not even a problem, but there's a hill at both ends and
• 59:23
  it just like the race is so good.
• 59:24
  They just do everything they can to cut it out and it's now I
• 59:27
  think the biggest hill is just gone completely and they take us
• 59:31
  further out I think on the first side of the river.
• 59:35
  So it's pretty much carpet flat, usually fog and 1°.
• 59:42
  And the tricky thing is it's it's like what you said.
• 59:45
  So whatever they decide, the leaders are going to be going.
• 59:49
  If you're not running that, you're solo on a highway.
• 59:54
  Yeah, so. It's like 60 flat.
• 59:56
  That's what it is, yeah. So it's an.
• 59:59
  Interesting race like that, but I.
• 1:00:00
  Think when you look at the start list like there should be enough
• 1:00:04
  of us around that Hopefully a good second group because I
• 1:00:07
  think the winners, like you said, it'll, it'll be something
• 1:00:10
  pretty silly. Yeah, it's pretty startless.
• 1:00:15
  That's not very, very good. Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  I'm trying to get an entry for Gold Coast.
• 1:00:21
  Jake, so maybe see you there if your itinerary takes you that
• 1:00:25
  way, we'll. See what happens.
• 1:00:29
  Is that for the full or not for the half?
• 1:00:33
  Oh OK, I did. That'd be good.
• 1:00:38
  What else have we got to have any?
• 1:00:39
  Anything else you boys wanted to speak about?
• 1:00:41
  It's it's sad that the the series comes to a conclusion,
• 1:00:44
  really. I've had a lot of fun.
• 1:00:48
  It's. I was actually thinking out of
• 1:00:50
  my job today. It had felt like a while since
• 1:00:52
  we'd all spoken and I was actually genuinely keen to just
• 1:00:55
  catch up and not even chat running.
• 1:00:57
  So yeah, it's been good. We've got some listener
• 1:01:02
  questions. Actually I.
• 1:01:03
  Shouldn't forget that Jake Smith.
• 1:01:06
  We should say what's next for you, seen as the boys have just
• 1:01:09
  spoken. I was going to bring it out like
• 1:01:11
  Jake was. Talking about his he's just
• 1:01:13
  race. We have this thing called Welsh
• 1:01:15
  castles. Relay star of June.
• 1:01:19
  It's 20. Lakes from the top.
• 1:01:21
  Of North Wales down to the South, you go through castles,
• 1:01:24
  the health and safety, let's just say you are running on
• 1:01:28
  basically just, you know, the A roads basically.
• 1:01:31
  Remember, Jake, like just the normal roads.
• 1:01:33
  So you're running over mountains at six mountain stages.
• 1:01:36
  I've got 2 horse records and two Dragons from the last two years.
• 1:01:41
  Let's just say a volunteer died a few years ago, got hit by a
• 1:01:45
  car. They're going 60 mph 1000 on
• 1:01:48
  these roads and you're just running.
• 1:01:50
  It's a big piss off on the Saturday.
• 1:01:53
  That's that's Welsh castles relay.
• 1:01:56
  But I think I'm going to try and chase.
• 1:02:00
  The thing is I was Tim was getting my head about coming to
• 1:02:03
  Launceston because I saw one around the sub 6130 because I
• 1:02:08
  still could get into, you know, the world Half team because I
• 1:02:13
  went to the trials. I just need the time.
• 1:02:15
  But I think it's just a bit too soon because I mean, I have to
• 1:02:18
  give a shout out to the guy, but bad courage I ran with this
• 1:02:21
  morning. Heart rate is still a bit
• 1:02:23
  higher. Legs feel like crap.
• 1:02:25
  It's my third run back. Never take any more than three
• 1:02:29
  days off. I took six days off.
• 1:02:31
  Worst decision of my life, but what I needed.
• 1:02:34
  But yeah, so I ran with Claridge and he wanted me to tell you
• 1:02:37
  all, give him a follow. He's pacing Oslo and Stockholm,
• 1:02:41
  Diamond League. So he's a, he's the Diamond
• 1:02:45
  League pacer. He's very nice.
• 1:02:46
  But yeah, so maybe go to Germany for 1/2 in June, but I was so
• 1:02:53
  close there booking that flight to Australia.
• 1:02:55
  We'll be a Gold Coast Jake before.
• 1:02:59
  You fully throw the idea away with that.
• 1:03:03
  Even traditionally it's probably a tiny bit slower than
• 1:03:07
  Launceston, but only just because of weather.
• 1:03:10
  Just being on the coast, you can sometimes get the wind.
• 1:03:14
  Do you know, Jake, what they wanted in last year 61 low was
• 1:03:17
  actually it's. Always there at 6:00.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah, he's done his research. Yeah, he's.
• 1:03:22
  Interested. It it.
• 1:03:25
  We don't go on through this. Series.
• 1:03:27
  But go on, it's. Maybe run it?
• 1:03:30
  Back. Come on.
• 1:03:30
  It's always first weekend in July.
• 1:03:32
  So even if it's a last minute week before thing, you're always
• 1:03:36
  welcome. It's an error from my place.
• 1:03:38
  First week of July. Stay here.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, that's what I mean. It's it's yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Changes things. Basically the German.
• 1:03:47
  Races end of June and I was one in 6110 and only three guys ran
• 1:03:52
  under 6. I need 18 seconds.
• 1:03:55
  If you guys can promise me there'll be 18 seconds in Gold
• 1:03:58
  Coast, I will look at the flight.
• 1:04:03
  Just don't go through the Middle East I'll.
• 1:04:04
  Probably go through Hong Kong if you do, Andy.
• 1:04:09
  Buchanan won last year. In 6108 and he was followed by
• 1:04:13
  610961116118. And he's also around like. 60.
• 1:04:22
  30 and probably has been in shape to run faster.
• 1:04:26
  So it's like it's quick, but it is probably like add a bit extra
• 1:04:30
  on the European time, yeah. Yeah, just just rethinking.
• 1:04:35
  That bear term, aren't you being responsible for the hard sell of
• 1:04:39
  making them travel across the world?
• 1:04:41
  Yeah, yeah. Don't want to otherwise.
• 1:04:43
  It could be panned for free drinks and whatnot afterwards.
• 1:04:48
  They. Have an elite, elite.
• 1:04:50
  Like elite? What do you call like elite
• 1:04:54
  assistance? Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, very big side of that. And yeah, like all fair, I can
• 1:05:03
  absolutely, you know, link you up with that and you can follow
• 1:05:06
  that up and see what happens up that alley.
• 1:05:09
  Question where is Gold Coast? Australia an hour South.
• 1:05:13
  Of Brisbane, OK, so it's a southern part.
• 1:05:16
  Australia E Northern. On the East Coast so.
• 1:05:23
  Just get it back. It's.
• 1:05:27
  Australia, That's all you need to know.
• 1:05:28
  It's it's a long way and it's done on that, but Skyscan has
• 1:05:32
  gone. In the last couple of years.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, if you if. You guys are doing it and I know
• 1:05:39
  there's a group. I would be more keen.
• 1:05:42
  It's like. Though it'll be like the second
• 1:05:44
  one system, yeah, it'll be stacked.
• 1:05:47
  And we got a lot like all our merging Rd. runners that are
• 1:05:50
  like let's say low 28, mid 28, younger fellas off the track,
• 1:05:54
  step up and usually debut there and go quite well, run 102 and
• 1:05:58
  whatnot. So there's always plenty of
• 1:06:01
  people running well. See your boys in Australia.
• 1:06:06
  There we go. Job done.
• 1:06:08
  Series right? Series 2.
• 1:06:10
  Bring it on. Well, whilst we're on it, Jake,
• 1:06:13
  there's. An there's a 50K in Perth in
• 1:06:16
  June which pays 5 grand if you can take Dean's course records
• 1:06:22
  of 327 pace. I actually just.
• 1:06:26
  Heard you talking about. This on the pod was it last week
• 1:06:32
  that did piqued my interest. I feel like that's it's an easy
• 1:06:36
  long run surely? Haven't you?
• 1:06:38
  How is the flight? Haven't you run?
• 1:06:40
  Faster for a 50K? Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 1:06:43
  In training, I've I've probably knocked out and I guess that
• 1:06:47
  wins for life. That's what I was going to say.
• 1:06:49
  That was 67 K. What, 335?
• 1:06:55
  Yeah, I'm. I'm tempted.
• 1:06:56
  I'm tempted. Yeah, a little detour over
• 1:07:00
  there. It's going to happen.
• 1:07:02
  Let's. See, what other questions have
• 1:07:03
  we got people asking about the perfect conditions?
• 1:07:07
  You've spoke to that, Tim. With years like being.
• 1:07:12
  So close to PB, is there anything that you would change
• 1:07:15
  for the next block where you feel like you can easily
• 1:07:17
  convert? It some what I.
• 1:07:21
  Think we spoke about this leading into the race, like I'm
• 1:07:23
  more process driven. So I actually really don't mind
• 1:07:27
  about what that number says on the clock in terms of I did a
• 1:07:32
  few similar sessions which kind of led me with how those
• 1:07:37
  sessions went that had improved and the training block in
• 1:07:41
  general had gone well. I wouldn't mind exploring
• 1:07:45
  possibly higher weekly kilometers.
• 1:07:48
  Like what happens if I go up to 222 thirty, Who knows, it might
• 1:07:53
  cook me or go up to higher carbs.
• 1:07:57
  They're things I'll talk about with my coach.
• 1:07:59
  But predominantly I think things went the right way.
• 1:08:05
  Probably just need to keep trying and you get you know you
• 1:08:08
  might get the day that it clicks.
• 1:08:12
  Makes sense? With the depth in UK running
• 1:08:16
  right now, could the US style Olympic trial race work?
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, that was. That was that.
• 1:08:24
  Was also what I think. They all all the Brits had such
• 1:08:26
  good days and because I had AI struggled, it makes the gap look
• 1:08:30
  so much bigger. Whereas you know, the last year
• 1:08:32
  I beat Phil Jack Rowe, Johnny Mallard because they had tougher
• 1:08:36
  days. I had a good day.
• 1:08:39
  It is exceptional. Like that's like I said brought
• 1:08:43
  up why wouldn't you take 6 guys to European champs when you see
• 1:08:46
  the depth we have? And it I like well in London
• 1:08:54
  this year because like Tim's, Tim and I said we didn't apart
• 1:08:58
  from Wayne and he saw Phil, we saw no one else in front of us.
• 1:09:01
  So it wasn't actually, it didn't feel like we were racing them.
• 1:09:04
  I felt like we were in our own complete different bubble.
• 1:09:08
  I mean, I paced the Olympic trials when I was in Kew Gardens
• 1:09:11
  in 2021 and that was really, really cool.
• 1:09:16
  I mean, America just do it better.
• 1:09:18
  Like that's why they're so far ahead of us because they give us
• 1:09:22
  give them the opportunities. And it does really annoy me
• 1:09:24
  because if you look at that athlete we have now coming up to
• 1:09:29
  the marathon and we're all the same age.
• 1:09:31
  We're all 2728. All the guys you've named what,
• 1:09:35
  how do we make it to the next level?
• 1:09:37
  And like if you look Paddy P or Jack, where do they train
• 1:09:40
  America? No one wants to train in the UK
• 1:09:42
  anymore. Everyone wants to hit the UK
• 1:09:45
  unless you go to Leeds or Batsy. Batsy is quite good for a group,
• 1:09:49
  but if you're not in Leeds, where else do you go?
• 1:09:52
  In the UK? You go elsewhere because there's
• 1:09:54
  better opportunities and that's what is really annoying me
• 1:09:58
  because I do feel like I know the UK is quite shit for running
• 1:10:02
  itself. But if you put like on the Leeds
• 1:10:05
  Canal, if you had Phil, Alex, Jack, Say me, Emil, Jake Ranch,
• 1:10:11
  if you had us just actually going for it on that canal, like
• 1:10:15
  how fit we would get. But so I am thinking of doing
• 1:10:20
  maybe I've already messaged Phil after race, going up to Leeds
• 1:10:23
  and doing a few long runs for them because in order for me to
• 1:10:26
  get better, I need to train with someone better.
• 1:10:31
  So yeah, so, but it's just the opportunities here or that's the
• 1:10:34
  problem. Going back to the.
• 1:10:39
  Like the US trials thing, I know for you guys as athletes, it's
• 1:10:45
  all about athletic performance and like qualifying for these
• 1:10:49
  teams and like doing what you can to qualify.
• 1:10:52
  But from the outside for like fans and spectators, drama sells
• 1:10:58
  and more eyes on the sport probably eventually leads to
• 1:11:01
  more cash in the sport. Because right now maybe it seems
• 1:11:04
  like those at the very top who are almost unrelatable, as we're
• 1:11:09
  talking about with the sub, do maybe they're starting to get
• 1:11:12
  some decent cash and good deals. But be nice if that flowed all
• 1:11:17
  the way through like the elite fields.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah, So like the fact. Tim has to get a job still
• 1:11:24
  confuses me like he's just run at 2:09 and he starts a world
• 1:11:28
  champs last year and I'm not trying like well, I really I
• 1:11:31
  loved him to bits, but how can he not be a professional guy?
• 1:11:36
  That's what that's what infuriates me a bit because you
• 1:11:42
  look at the sport of football, you look at the sport of like
• 1:11:45
  cycling and stuff, it's like how can all.
• 1:11:48
  These League, One league. Two players who are sport
• 1:11:50
  running and that we are shaped, we are so shit and I've seen
• 1:11:53
  I've watched them play football and they cannot play football.
• 1:11:55
  But how can someone of teams level not have to get a part
• 1:12:00
  time like part time job? That's what annoys me and I
• 1:12:03
  think again, it's the same sort of thing, how much money London
• 1:12:07
  Marathon will give it to these top guys just for turning up.
• 1:12:09
  Like honey, Mo Farah got paid 500 K just to do half the London
• 1:12:14
  Marathon. What?
• 1:12:14
  Like OK, he's a great athlete, but why is he getting that much?
• 1:12:17
  Give it to give some money to Tim so he can focus on the year
• 1:12:21
  of running and recover and get to the next level.
• 1:12:25
  But running is just behind which, yeah, I really want to
• 1:12:30
  sort it out what I've done because what is it exact same
• 1:12:33
  things like again in British athletics, like Keely
• 1:12:37
  Hodgkinson. All these top guys.
• 1:12:39
  She she has so much money, she doesn't need funding of British
• 1:12:42
  athletics like all these top guys, Zano Hughes, they are the
• 1:12:46
  top of their level. They don't need any funding
• 1:12:48
  anymore because they have all the sponsors.
• 1:12:49
  Give it to the guys who are coming up and who can't start
• 1:12:53
  with so many guys can't get to these races because they don't
• 1:12:56
  have the money. So like for example, Ines, who
• 1:12:59
  one of my best mates who trains with Gav before she as she
• 1:13:02
  before she got on Nike build Nike, Gav and I, I would drive a
• 1:13:06
  training Gav would take her to every race because she couldn't
• 1:13:09
  afford to get to these races. She's now three times European
• 1:13:11
  champ. Why weren't British Heather Legs
• 1:13:14
  giving her the funds to help her to get to these races?
• 1:13:19
  But it's just who you know who's the best, and it's annoying.
• 1:13:22
  It's really annoying. It's quite backwards in the
• 1:13:26
  sense that. Well, those at the very top
• 1:13:29
  obviously deserve to be paid. But to those who are stepped
• 1:13:32
  down, who are the ones who are going to be making that step if
• 1:13:35
  they have the support, isn't it? And without support, it's hard
• 1:13:38
  to make that step. Yeah.
• 1:13:42
  So. Badly.
• 1:13:43
  Marketed running, it's just like you think the most participated
• 1:13:47
  sport on earth, literally highest participant number of
• 1:13:50
  any sport, yet it's horrendous viewership in terms of like an
• 1:13:55
  engagement in the top level. So like I just think out of any
• 1:13:59
  of any sport you look at, there's so much better
• 1:14:01
  storytelling, marketing, all of that around.
• 1:14:04
  It was like you just don't care about any of the runners.
• 1:14:07
  You know nothing about them. You like, how are you meant to
• 1:14:10
  get behind them? How are you meant to follow
• 1:14:11
  them? So there's just no money in it
• 1:14:14
  that way. I give, I give a lot of credit
• 1:14:16
  to you, Jake, because. I think you are now going to
• 1:14:17
  probably be the reason why stay in a few years, someone of Tim's
• 1:14:21
  level gets money because you're made.
• 1:14:22
  You have made running bigger, like and like you have certainly
• 1:14:26
  made running bigger, which helps people of like of Tim's level.
• 1:14:31
  But if it wasn't say you didn't start this running would still
• 1:14:34
  would probably be even worse. Like like you have just made the
• 1:14:38
  sport bigger and it's like how like how else?
• 1:14:42
  Like the worst thing is a lot of influences in the UK get bad
• 1:14:45
  Rep, but they at the end of the day, they are making running
• 1:14:49
  bigger. They are allowing for people of
• 1:14:51
  our level, like of all of our levels get sponsored.
• 1:14:54
  So why are we giving them a lot of like?
• 1:14:57
  Why are we giving it like it's confusing, but this is the only
• 1:15:01
  way running is going to through your YouTube and thank you.
• 1:15:04
  But we need to get it bigger because no, no, no, I'm I.
• 1:15:09
  Appreciate that. I know, I literally.
• 1:15:10
  Did it for that reason, because you see, as in it's so hard to
• 1:15:14
  make a career in it that yeah, nowadays you can run a sub 210
• 1:15:17
  and still be like an amateur runner effectively, like having
• 1:15:21
  to get a job, which is crazy. So I was like, the only way I
• 1:15:24
  can live like a Pro is by going the YouTube route, like
• 1:15:29
  showcasing the training and stuff, build the audience that
• 1:15:31
  way because yeah, it's just. And I think in a way, the reason
• 1:15:35
  my channel is maybe growing so quickly is because running is
• 1:15:39
  so, so badly marketed that it's so easy to stand out with some
• 1:15:44
  bang average videography. Me just chatting away at a
• 1:15:47
  camera like a little GoPro that I've bought.
• 1:15:51
  Somehow it's become like the most viewed running channel on
• 1:15:54
  earth. It's insane.
• 1:15:56
  Like there's there's no way it should be.
• 1:15:59
  I just think that it's so badly done from the top and there's no
• 1:16:04
  investment for any of the the brands and stuff should be
• 1:16:07
  putting money into giving people like storytelling platform like
• 1:16:11
  how the UFC does. It's like it shouldn't
• 1:16:13
  necessarily be on the individual because yeah, it's hard to do if
• 1:16:17
  you're trying to balance full time working stuff to create
• 1:16:21
  that content and stuff and put yourself out of there.
• 1:16:23
  But I think that's the only way it's going to grow.
• 1:16:25
  If you actually care about the runner, you know about them,
• 1:16:29
  therefore you want to watch them race, you know?
• 1:16:32
  Yes. It's mad.
• 1:16:34
  I'm I'm very. Lucky well.
• 1:16:36
  To all those viewers, please eat and don't do what I did and get
• 1:16:40
  red ass because it was a very hard time.
• 1:16:41
  But I'm very lucky because in terms of sponsors, I think like
• 1:16:45
  like I said, for every race I stand to, it's like I did that
• 1:16:48
  thing on Instagram when 23, I was just trying to get to a race
• 1:16:50
  24 making start. Lanes 25 win.
• 1:16:54
  The national medals and this year I've like got a call off a
• 1:16:57
  British culture. I'm very lucky because of my
• 1:17:00
  story. But like, again, it's like you
• 1:17:02
  said, like I just don't get how, like I said, like Tim, people of
• 1:17:07
  his level, like it just confuses me because if we compare to
• 1:17:12
  football where promotion championship, like relegation,
• 1:17:17
  we're like whispers in a minute. We're like struggling, but we're
• 1:17:20
  there. But it's just.
• 1:17:22
  An interesting. Point.
• 1:17:24
  As well, like globally. I did have a quick look, I think
• 1:17:29
  come rank like 400 and 30th or something.
• 1:17:32
  So to be honest, it's it's really nowhere.
• 1:17:35
  So like all these I guess companies?
• 1:17:38
  In in the world scheme. Of running, it's just two and
• 1:17:42
  nine's not what 2 and 9 used to be anymore.
• 1:17:44
  And I'm completely OK with that. Just got to get better.
• 1:17:48
  That's half the challenge, right?
• 1:17:50
  Is the the needles moving like 159's now The world record?
• 1:17:55
  Yeah. Just got to work with the times.
• 1:17:56
  I'm patient and I'll obviously keep, you know, chipping away
• 1:18:01
  and I'm. I'd love to be pro like, you
• 1:18:03
  know, full time running one day. But yeah, I've got AI.
• 1:18:08
  Don't think it's worth getting grumpy about either.
• 1:18:11
  Just got to put a head down. Andy Buchanan, by the way, Andy
• 1:18:15
  Buchanan ran 2/06/22, our national record while working a
• 1:18:18
  job as a school teacher. But then you're OK.
• 1:18:23
  You see your top 4? 100 How many players are in the
• 1:18:25
  Premier League? 400 yeah. 400 Yeah, we're.
• 1:18:29
  Making how much money does the print pull?
• 1:18:31
  A year. If we're the equivalent of
• 1:18:33
  football, it's it's an interesting.
• 1:18:36
  Topic yeah, yeah, but it's it's going to be.
• 1:18:41
  Running will get even bigger. When we all stop.
• 1:18:42
  Running will probably be one of the biggest sports and if you're
• 1:18:45
  in the top 2000, you're probably you're going to be pro.
• 1:18:48
  Yeah, it is catching up. It's just why can't it catch up
• 1:18:51
  quicker? Yeah, you'll, you'll be like.
• 1:18:55
  The the equivalent. Footballers of the ACS going
• 1:18:57
  there was no money in my day all.
• 1:19:03
  Right fellas, that could be. It we've got one more question,
• 1:19:05
  actually, Jake Barraclough. Are Brooks more or less happy
• 1:19:10
  with Jake B results? Wait.
• 1:19:14
  What was the question? Are they?
• 1:19:17
  Or maybe they're saying, are they?
• 1:19:19
  More or less happy with signing you, I don't know over.
• 1:19:27
  Connor, man. I've.
• 1:19:31
  Missed. The question completely that who
• 1:19:34
  are Brooks more happy with signing me or are Brooks?
• 1:19:39
  More. The word isn't more or less, but
• 1:19:42
  I'm reading it as more or less. Are Brooks more or less happy
• 1:19:47
  with Jake B results? I I don't.
• 1:19:50
  Even understand the question. What's it what I mean stupid?
• 1:19:56
  Is it me? Yes.
• 1:20:01
  Do you speak what result? I don't.
• 1:20:03
  I don't. Know what it means the the.
• 1:20:05
  Result of. Signing you or your results in
• 1:20:09
  Yamagata is a tough one. This is what I was missing.
• 1:20:12
  Oh. OK.
• 1:20:13
  OK. You guys poorly wordy question.
• 1:20:16
  Come on, I'll take it as that. I feel like they, when they
• 1:20:21
  signed me, they were keen on breaking into the Japanese
• 1:20:25
  market because they're very, like, very, very small here.
• 1:20:30
  You don't see anyone wearing it. So I guess in that sense, put
• 1:20:35
  Brooks on the map out here. Hopefully.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah, boosted their presence. So I think they're happy,
• 1:20:41
  hopefully. And yeah, yeah, we.
• 1:20:43
  I chat to Brooks. They're very, very good.
• 1:20:46
  Very, like they give me a lot of freedom, which is perfect for
• 1:20:51
  how I want to race and do stuff for YouTube and pick what race
• 1:20:55
  I'm doing. It's yeah, pretty perfect
• 1:20:57
  partnership, so no complaints there.
• 1:21:02
  Well, guys, it's been an. Absolute pleasure.
• 1:21:04
  Thanks so much for giving us. What is it, six weeks of your
• 1:21:08
  lives and just being so open and vulnerable and taking us inside
• 1:21:13
  the build to a major marathon or a major acadine.
• 1:21:17
  Bring on the. Goldie series.
• 1:21:19
  Let's go. That's why I didn't say but.
• 1:21:21
  Yeah, I've I've enjoyed it. May or may not be happening.
• 1:21:25
  It's been great to meet all you. Fellas as well, though I'll miss
• 1:21:28
  this, so yeah, thanks for having me.
• 1:21:31
  Yeah, Goldie, it could be. Like the group chat absolutely
• 1:21:34
  dies and it's one of them. It's never spoken in again.
• 1:21:36
  Or we could be reigniting it in July I.
• 1:21:41
  I think. My coach, a screenshot of it,
• 1:21:44
  Can I do it? He's a hen.
• 1:21:47
  He's a marathon. And Hong do they?
• 1:21:49
  Start the same separate. Day.
• 1:21:55
  I was hoping. Like double up if you want.
• 1:21:57
  No, I was hoping. Someone wants like go.
• 1:21:58
  For two or three pace, I just jump on the back.
• 1:22:06
  All right, that's that's the perfect.
• 1:22:07
  Cliffhanger to take us out. Wait last one.
• 1:22:10
  How long is the fly? Here.
• 1:22:14
  It's 20 hours. Flying time through Hong Kong or
• 1:22:18
  China, like that's the most direct.
• 1:22:20
  It's probably closer to 24 hours through the Middle East plus
• 1:22:23
  then of stop over time. But you, you don't do any less
• 1:22:28
  than a week early. Like you come a week early and
• 1:22:30
  you kind of just hang around and yeah, even 10 days.
• 1:22:37
  We'll see. You could do do some pre.
• 1:22:40
  Negotiating with Nike, because Nike aren't surprisingly all
• 1:22:44
  that big over in Australia. It seems like brands like ASICS
• 1:22:48
  with Tim, they're dominating the marketplace.
• 1:22:50
  So see if you could persuade them that you'll help them with
• 1:22:54
  some market influence over here. All right, guys.
• 1:22:58
  Speak to you. Soon.
• 1:23:00
  Lovely. Thanks fellas.
• 1:23:01
  See you boys. About a Sunday still chasing
• 1:23:03
  peepees. Where the?
• 1:23:06
  World spins round miles in the bank great low big dreams but we
• 1:23:10
  take it slow. If you know then you know the
• 1:23:12
  code Easy pace for the chat goes hard.
• 1:23:15
  Easy double let it roll 3 mates 1 mic one come and go from 5
• 1:23:19
  tapes to the marathon Rd. training talk to the outro close
• 1:23:22
  is easy double every week Runners talking way too deep
• 1:23:26
  here Play lock in your part of the crew.
• 1:23:28
  This is easy double welcome to you this.
• 1:23:36
  Is easy double welcome to you. This is easy on shoes and carbon
• 1:23:47
  plates. Is it threshold or just steady
• 1:23:49
  pace? World champs trials.
• 1:23:51
  Who's in shape, who's peaking early, who's late to the gate?
• 1:23:54
  Stories from sessions that nearly broke us and races that
• 1:23:56
  taught us patients and focus. Serious goals.
• 1:23:58
  But we keep it light because run is better when it's shed, right?
• 1:24:01
  No egos, no smoke, just miles and truth.
• 1:24:03
  From club runners up to the world class music.
• 1:24:05
  You're chasing times. You're just chasing fun.
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  You're already winning if you started the run easy double with
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  your feet. Long run, miles of the commute
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  Blues, we're right there running alongside you.
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  Easy double. Same old crew.
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  Deanie, join Ryan's walking the dude from the first warm up to
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  the final bell. This is easy, double and you're
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  doing it well. This is easy.
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  Double. You're doing it well.
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  Rank enough, Check. Go.
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  Run.