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Tucker Carlson’s “Deals with Demons” Episode | Live Reaction w/ The Occult Rejects Part 1 · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What What's going to happen?
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Speaker 3: What I do?
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Magus in the media. Today we get
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Speaker 4: to veer into the strange realms of mainstream podcasting as
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Speaker 4: we are going to dig deep into whatever it means
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Speaker 4: to be somebody called Tucker Carlson, whatever it means to
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Speaker 4: be somebody called Sean Stone, son of Oliver Stone, that
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Speaker 4: we all know who has created those movies, who is
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Speaker 4: trying to help push a narrative.
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Speaker 5: But the other, the other idea is exactly exactly that
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Speaker 5: is that what kind of narratives are being set in
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Speaker 5: this modern day and age where demons, aliens, secret societies,
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Speaker 5: and the occult has finally become mainstream. But first before
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Speaker 5: I get into the deep understanding of why Tucker Carlson,
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Speaker 5: why Sean Stone, and why now we have the great
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Speaker 5: Cardinal Head himself.
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Speaker 3: The creator of the occult.
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Speaker 5: Rejects that place that we all love to go and
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Speaker 5: listen to, to veer into the strange, the higher, the sacred,
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Speaker 5: the great.
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Speaker 3: Nick, how are you doing today, Nick?
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Speaker 2: Good?
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Speaker 3: Good?
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much for that amazing intro. I'm doing great.
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Speaker 6: I always love working with you. I love coming on
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Speaker 6: your show, and I think this was actually a really
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Speaker 6: really good topic to cover because I could just say
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Speaker 6: for myself as we're going into it, I think this
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Speaker 6: is a perfect example of how people get mind fucked
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Speaker 6: with bullshit because it's also peppered with some real shit
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Speaker 6: in there. Just my opinion from listening to about almost
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Speaker 6: all of it, there was a lot of times I'm like, Yo,
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Speaker 6: this is so silly, and then I'm like, Yo, this
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Speaker 6: guy's I'm dropping some deep stuff though. Yeah, So I
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Speaker 6: think this is actually a good way to try to
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Speaker 6: show the listeners. I'm sure a lot of the ones
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Speaker 6: that are probably into this stuff may see it themselves,
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Speaker 6: but you know, I think other people a little bit
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Speaker 6: more than conspiracy minded people, you'll see how you're getting played.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, that's a great way to play it. Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 5: And it is kind of a plade because it kind
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Speaker 5: of all goes along with the same thing that's going
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Speaker 5: on if you open up your ex account and it's
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Speaker 5: just layered with government officials talking about how aliens are
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Speaker 5: actually demons and there are angels in the air and
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Speaker 5: there are these spherical orbs and you better watch out
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Speaker 5: because pretty soon disclosure is coming, and it's not going
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Speaker 5: to come safe from Oliver Stone.
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Speaker 3: But another great counterpart.
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Speaker 5: Steven Spielberg and his Age of Disclosure are fascinating enough.
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Speaker 6: You know, you know, I do think with this stuff
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Speaker 6: that you know, you're mentioning about them, like, you know,
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Speaker 6: the aliens of demons, you know, in the way that
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Speaker 6: I think the right kind of pimps out Christianity.
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Speaker 2: And JD.
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Speaker 6: Vance said that he thought that aliens are demons. And
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Speaker 6: from how I've seen some people, I guess in the
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Speaker 6: political area and podcasting especially. Man, I don't say this
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Speaker 6: to alarm people because I don't want people to get
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Speaker 6: like they are acting, but I do feel that they're
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Speaker 6: trying to radicalize Christians right now. Oh yeah, everything everything
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Speaker 6: is Dixon demons, satanic and evil and everybody.
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Speaker 2: You know, you're horrible. You must go.
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Speaker 6: It's getting danger. And if that happens, I'll tell you
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Speaker 6: right now, we will be pushed into.
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Speaker 2: A dark ages.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 2: It will become dumb as fuck.
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Speaker 6: If we allow that to happen, it will become scared parrots.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's a really important thing to get at,
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Speaker 5: is that in this age of disclosure, the age of information,
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Speaker 5: the age of artificial intelligence. Fear is the mind killer,
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Speaker 5: as the litany of fear, it's in dune. And it's
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Speaker 5: more important now than ever to find a practice, find
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Speaker 5: a way of involving yourself and realizing how to participate
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Speaker 5: and navigate the world instead of being a passive observer.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's more important than ever because once
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Speaker 5: you can participate with the world, you have the ability
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Speaker 5: to then actually be an like, have your own agency
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Speaker 5: instead of just being a possessed pond, so to speak,
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Speaker 5: by influence outside influence, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think.
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Speaker 6: Not to get in in too much, but you know,
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Speaker 6: even just to put this out there in case I
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Speaker 6: happen to touch on this topic again. I don't have
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Speaker 6: a problem with Christianity of the Bible at all, but
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Speaker 6: I think the way if you look at the history
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Speaker 6: and you see how it started. I don't you know
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, but I think where it's camp where
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Speaker 6: it's gone now, it's getting a little uh, it's going
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Speaker 6: to be almost like spiritual censorship. Oh right, We're never
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Speaker 6: going to be able to think outside of a box.
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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm saying, we'll go into a dark
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Speaker 6: ages and be dumb because we'll be told you're not
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Speaker 6: allowed to think with view anything any different than this,
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Speaker 6: or you're bad, you know what I mean. Even Christian
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Speaker 6: mystics who were burnt at a stake by their own people.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go down a list of like Geodoro Brown
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Speaker 5: being one of the biggest one, right as like this
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Speaker 5: man who's like, hey, guys, maybe these things that we
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Speaker 5: think are out there are actually these streaming balls of gas,
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Speaker 5: but they also can have the levels of intelligence if
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Speaker 5: we had the occult mystery to it. But at the
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Speaker 5: same time, guys, maybe there's more planets than just us.
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Speaker 5: And then it's like string them up.
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Speaker 3: Those are that guy?
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Speaker 5: We can't talk about that because then how do we
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Speaker 5: control our little demiurgic black iron prison with this master
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Speaker 5: slave complex, you know what I mean. And it's like
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Speaker 5: him as well as many many other people out there
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Speaker 5: have been you know, uh Boethius being one of him,
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Speaker 5: with his Consolations of Philosophy or Agrippa and his three
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Speaker 5: books of ocult philosophy, Like he came out those books
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Speaker 5: and then he came out with another book right after that.
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Speaker 5: That was denouncing all of the magic he talked about.
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Speaker 6: It because yeah, because at that point he was worried
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Speaker 6: about getting killed or having problems.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, he literally did that to cover his
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Speaker 2: ass because they started getting radical.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's fucking it's fucking wild.
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Speaker 5: So before we get into watching this video, Nick, tell
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Speaker 5: them where they can find you and all the things
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Speaker 5: they're working on right now.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, the Occult Rejects.
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Speaker 6: It's on YouTube, Rumble, old stuff, on bit shoot Old,
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Speaker 6: major podcast hosts.
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Speaker 2: Right now.
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Speaker 6: I am working on working on the Mechanics and Magic
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Speaker 6: series still, I am working on it should be coming
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Speaker 6: out soon. I'm going to try to drop it in
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Speaker 6: rotation and extra shows because it's going to be a
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Speaker 6: long series. And I would never expect people to listen
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Speaker 6: to eighteen because I think it's going to turning out
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Speaker 6: to eighteen parts series that's literally going to cover the
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Speaker 6: Catholic Christian churches as rich technology, and I have a
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Speaker 6: pretty good case to show that. I think that if
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Speaker 6: you already even walk into one of these churches or
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Speaker 6: some of them and don't even really technically even understand
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Speaker 6: the belief the ship in there, is already going to
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Speaker 6: put you into a certain state.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh, you.
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Speaker 6: Know, and again it can be done in a positive
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Speaker 6: way or it can be used to manipulate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you should both keep that in mind, keep both living.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think that's really important. I'm glad you're
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Speaker 5: doing that kind of work because the idea, it goes
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Speaker 5: back to exactly kind of how we're opening this up
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Speaker 5: with this demons and angels types of motifs, is that
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Speaker 5: churches have been like back in the day, real great
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Speaker 5: churches who as much as we always want to lift
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Speaker 5: certain kind of people up and claim that they are
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Speaker 5: the ones in control of things, right, Like this whole idea,
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Speaker 5: a myth of the Freemasons that are satanic and in
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Speaker 5: control of all things. Fascinating enough that just that's coming
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Speaker 5: from these the initial mass soonic builders of a lot
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Speaker 5: of the sacred architecture that we have today that is
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Speaker 5: beautiful and helps people when they go into it call
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Speaker 5: upon a higher force to help straighten their life out
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Speaker 5: with some kind of morals and ethics. Dogma, that's not bad.
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Speaker 5: Dogma's not a bad thing. It just kind of aligns
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Speaker 5: our life. But the idea is that what is the
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Speaker 5: priest at the head of the pulpit doing. Is this
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Speaker 5: a kind of individual who is a vessel for divine
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Speaker 5: knowledge and somebody who wants to speak truth to power
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Speaker 5: to his flock. Is he taking on the actual, allegorical
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Speaker 5: and symbolic understanding of the teachings of say Christ or
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Speaker 5: any of the Abrahamic traditions, or is he building soldiers
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Speaker 5: for a spiritual jihad. That then is like trying to
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Speaker 5: do exactly what we're talking about, the negative side of
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Speaker 5: the Abrahamic traditions, which is the institution that is trying
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Speaker 5: to basically inquisitorially kill off any idea that and follow
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Speaker 5: suit to the way they interpret their sacred scripture. Right, Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 5: And that shit's wild because of it goes down to
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Speaker 5: how one person could be helping speak truth to power
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Speaker 5: like like this Tucker Carlson, for instance, who also then
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Speaker 5: is coming out here and blaspheming against a whole group
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Speaker 5: of individuals who are actually doing the great work, and
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Speaker 5: that is the magi philosophers and occultists esotericists who are
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Speaker 5: out here trying to basically live a good life and
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Speaker 5: not only do that, but they're trying to, you know,
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Speaker 5: make good men and women better with their practice.
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Speaker 2: Yo, you nailed it, man, right.
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Speaker 5: And so it's like, that's such an important thing, is
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Speaker 5: that a lot of these practices doing just that. There
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Speaker 5: are obviously, you know, your idgits and morons out there
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Speaker 5: who are more ego driven and wanting to add on
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Speaker 5: identifiers with their spiritual and material practices.
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Speaker 3: But that's I think that isn't That's not everybody.
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Speaker 5: And that's the same way with the fundamentalist Abrahamic traditions
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Speaker 5: where they add their orthodox brodom on and they're like
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Speaker 5: spewing and projecting out this peacock relationship with Christ or
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Speaker 5: whatever it is, you know, and instead of being a
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Speaker 5: vessel for like compassion and change, they become a vessel
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Speaker 5: for an eggregor that is a really negative one that
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Speaker 5: has caused many wars throughout history, right, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: I think it's just such a fascinating thing. And so
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Speaker 5: it goes back to, you know, with the sacred architecture,
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Speaker 5: is that this architecture is beautiful and we need to
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Speaker 5: know what is going on, just like why we need
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Speaker 5: to talk about the signs and the symbols and the
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Speaker 5: motifs and the mythologies of these things, because without understanding
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Speaker 5: these things we become we basically become an Agent Smith. Oh,
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Speaker 5: that's that's the name.
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Speaker 6: That's what I've almost like saying, like, that's where I
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Speaker 6: think if the if they can push the Christians radicalize
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Speaker 6: to where they want them to be, they'll turn.
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Speaker 2: Into agent Smith's yep, yes, yeah.
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Speaker 6: They'll just go around hunting everybody they think is satanic,
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Speaker 6: demonic or a proverb.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and little do they know they're hunting their
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Speaker 5: own brethren and sisters, you know, the soroers and freighters
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Speaker 5: of this world as in us, who are trying to
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Speaker 5: become magi, not even become magive, but live in a
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Speaker 5: worldview of harmony that the three pillars of things, as
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Speaker 5: we're going to talk about with masonry, is that it's
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Speaker 5: a strength, beauty, and wisdom, very platonic in its right.
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Speaker 5: Is that like, those are the three pillars of living
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Speaker 5: a virtuous life, you know, having you know, you.
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Speaker 6: Know what I think it is sometimes the ones that
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Speaker 6: always raw rawn a lot.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it real. I think they want
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Speaker 2: to remove.
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Speaker 6: Temptation because they know they're interested in the same shit,
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Speaker 6: and if there's less people around who are like that,
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Speaker 6: they don't have the temptation to.
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Speaker 2: Act like that.
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of things is actually either fear
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Speaker 6: or there's actually some lack of you know, it's I
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Speaker 6: don't know how to explain it, but it's almost like
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Speaker 6: they as wish they could be that person, but they
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Speaker 6: don't have the bulls to do it, so then they
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Speaker 6: should on them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's good.
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how to say it the
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Speaker 2: right way, but.
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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree.
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Speaker 5: And everyone out there, thank you for joining Nick and
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Speaker 5: I'm Hags in the media and the Occult Rejects. A
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Speaker 5: great integration, a great collaboration. I won't be here. I'd
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Speaker 5: be here, but not as doing it. It is great without
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Speaker 5: the great cardinal head himself. So as always, I appreciate
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Speaker 5: you Nick, And then everyone who's hanging out. Thanks jugs,
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Speaker 5: it's nice to see you, Howard, my boy, Casey, Aris
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Speaker 5: Noctrin and everybody else listening for this fine evening who
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Speaker 5: we got here, conjure up. Nice to see you today,
12:42
Speaker 5: and yeah, get that dictionary out because we're fucking going deep.
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Speaker 3: That's what.
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Speaker 5: Get your chatty out and chat gybt. You're geminis. It's
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Speaker 5: it's gonna be a great show. And again, I think
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Speaker 5: it's really important. It's something that when I spoke about
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Speaker 5: with Scarlett Imprints months ago, is that we are. And
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Speaker 5: the thing is when it comes to those of us
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Speaker 5: who choose to dabble in the dark, is what the
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Speaker 5: what the fundamentals think? We're doing the same as the materialists,
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Speaker 5: but that's not truly. It's about trying to walk ourselves
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Speaker 5: out of the cave and integrate the light, integrate the forums,
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Speaker 5: integrate the highest version of ourselves while doing it while
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Speaker 5: living the embodied experience. Instead of living for heaven after,
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Speaker 5: we're living for heaven here now. And I think that's
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Speaker 5: a really important differentiation because technically our battle isn't with
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Speaker 5: the Abrahamic traditions. It's not with the scientific materialists. Technically
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Speaker 5: it's with the ideology.
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Speaker 2: Hmmm.
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Speaker 6: Yo, that was even a lot of shit with the Gnostics.
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Speaker 6: If you're still looking about why they got condemned, A
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Speaker 6: lot of it was just the way that they viewed now, yeah,
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Speaker 6: that was a problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this in the I completely.
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Speaker 6: Agree, Like what you're even saying, like we're worried about
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Speaker 6: heaven now, not afterwards.
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Speaker 3: Not afterwards.
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Speaker 5: No, it's about making this planet and realizing that it
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Speaker 5: is its own intelligence, and we live in a plasmic, electric, living,
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Speaker 5: organic universe, and that we want to make sure we
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Speaker 5: live the best life for now instead of being either
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Speaker 5: this patriar the oligarchic parasitic class who are trying to
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Speaker 5: rule over us.
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Speaker 3: Thinking that they are connected to.
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Speaker 5: Some bloodline, divine right of kings elite that may stem
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Speaker 5: past the fucking Sumerian time frame, back to the on
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Speaker 5: naki of some maybe past civilization, that if we realize
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Speaker 5: these types of things, that maybe our birthright is to
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Speaker 5: be fully human, which means that we are more powerful
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Speaker 5: than we could ever imagine then and then it's the
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Speaker 5: idea is we can shed maybe a little bit of
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Speaker 5: our own individual ego so that we can all live
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Speaker 5: in some kind of harmony, which is what the early
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Speaker 5: Prestocratic and ancient philosophers were talking about, instead of what
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Speaker 5: ended up happening with after Aristotle with Christian thinkers is
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Speaker 5: that all of a sudden, they start fucking changing everything
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Speaker 5: to be seen through a certain model and lens that
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Speaker 5: adheres to them, to the dogma that they're trying to
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Speaker 5: build up and integrate with the Empire, which is the
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Speaker 5: Roman Empire in that timeframe, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: And so it's like you get this Roman Empire with
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Speaker 5: Christianity and the Abrahamic traditions, because it's not just Christianity.
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Speaker 3: It's all three that are now trying.
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Speaker 5: To basically squeeze this planet for all its resources and
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Speaker 5: el's worth trying to make up for something that's going
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Speaker 5: to happen in the future.
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Speaker 2: You know what.
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Speaker 6: I did even notice, And it's really like when I
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Speaker 6: look at it, I'm like, God damn, because I'm so
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Speaker 6: interested in both and I can see how both can connect.
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Speaker 6: But again, a lot of the Platonist I guess maybe
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Speaker 6: just didn't like the way that they did it.
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of.
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Speaker 6: People who were pushing Platonism into Christianity. That was also
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Speaker 6: the ones with the big mounts against Naticism. Yeah, oh,
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Speaker 6: wasn't a fan of Gnostics either, Who was you know,
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Speaker 6: Neoplatonic right after Plato was working, So like you see
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Speaker 6: that and it's just like so weird. It was like
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Speaker 6: almost like yo was there like some kind of a
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Speaker 6: cult like that war but like, nah, man, we want
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Speaker 6: to run this ship.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying like, yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, I can't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Plato was so deep in the occult.
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Speaker 6: I mean, if it's embedded in Christianity, I hate to
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Speaker 6: tell you it's you know, it's not what you think
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Speaker 6: it is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not that. And it's not that Platinism
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Speaker 5: was created by Christianity. It's that Christianity and these traditions
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Speaker 5: were using Platonic thinking, yes, and the amalgamization of these things.
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Speaker 5: And then even your Judaeus, your you know, your Judaic religion.
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Speaker 5: The Abrahamic they Abraham was from fucking or this man
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Speaker 5: was a stellar they were it was the stellar cults.
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Speaker 5: So they were worshiping the stars. And Abraham got kicked
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Speaker 5: out of his own tradition because he was a fucking asshole,
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Speaker 5: he was Abram and so he had to go somewhere else.
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Speaker 3: And so all I'm saying is.
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Speaker 5: If we need to look at the people who are
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Speaker 5: starting these things and kind of like realize, like how
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Speaker 5: much our history can be fabricated through thousands of years.
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Speaker 6: You know what it sounds like somebody who started a
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Speaker 6: cult and it failed and they tried to rebrand themselves.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know, and I know a lot of
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Speaker 7: people are gonna hate this, but it's very Eli l
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Speaker 7: Ron Hubbard, very scientology from the basic frameworks of the
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Speaker 7: Golden Down.
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Speaker 5: There if there would be no scientology, if there wasn't
17:31
Speaker 5: a hermetic order of the Golden Down. And I think
17:33
Speaker 5: that needs to be talked about more. So maybe that's
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Speaker 5: a future episode next on The Rejects, because I think
17:40
Speaker 5: that's really important that most people don't know that how
17:43
Speaker 5: it's like, how to how to design a cult in
17:46
Speaker 5: it in a few days?
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Speaker 3: Is l Ron Hubbard? Quickly?
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Speaker 5: L Ron Hubbard was good friends with Jack Parson. Jack
17:51
Speaker 5: Parson was the head of the OTO and in those
17:54
Speaker 5: timeframes who was trying to basically alis Crowley was like, Hey,
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Speaker 5: I need to pass on your in and a successor
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Speaker 5: in the OTO.
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Speaker 3: I can't do it. I have my health.
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to make the deck, the Felth Deck and
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Speaker 5: all these other crazy things. Can you do it? He's like, yeah,
18:07
Speaker 5: but I got this great guy here. He's a science
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Speaker 5: fiction author Dianetics. Have you heard of it?
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Speaker 3: Cro He's like, I don't, I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: You do you don't do that?
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Speaker 2: No, he told Parsons.
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Speaker 6: He warned Parsons that el Ron Robbert was a fucking
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Speaker 6: scam otis Oh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, super fucking scammar you.
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Speaker 6: No, it's really interesting and I don't want to get
18:23
Speaker 6: too off topic, but you just you brought this up
18:25
Speaker 6: and I was like, yo, just thinking now I even
18:28
Speaker 6: have something perfect to add to that, because there's been
18:30
Speaker 6: this cult for like the last three years of wanted
18:32
Speaker 6: to cover and I just never did it. And I'm
18:34
Speaker 6: not going to say the name of EXA want people
18:36
Speaker 6: to look into it, but they're down in Brazil and
18:39
Speaker 6: they're like lombing like all their shit. I'm telling you
18:43
Speaker 6: right now, if I was to send you the stuff,
18:44
Speaker 6: you'd be like, yo, that is so golden dawn in Oto,
18:48
Speaker 6: just the colors and the way it looks. And then
18:50
Speaker 6: there was a time when I think National Geographic actually
18:53
Speaker 6: did like an article on this thing, because it's a
18:55
Speaker 6: u a focal too, you know, and they're just like
18:59
Speaker 6: taking pictures and like, you know, I guess as an
19:01
Speaker 6: occult is you want to like look at everything and
19:04
Speaker 6: it looks like there's like this this big doorway that's open,
19:07
Speaker 6: and then there's like, you know, these two Egyptian pillars
19:09
Speaker 6: I think on the side, and then inside. It looks
19:11
Speaker 6: like there's this big circular cushion with like a drape
19:14
Speaker 6: hanging over it. You know, just look at something decoration
19:16
Speaker 6: inside the room. And I just happened to be looking
19:19
Speaker 6: at it, and I'm like, yo, looks like there might
19:21
Speaker 6: be something in there. So I zoomed it open and
19:23
Speaker 6: like took a screenshot and looked at it. There's a
19:26
Speaker 6: motherfucker with an astrom argentum fucking robe inside there. And
19:31
Speaker 6: that is kind of where the OTO and the Golden
19:33
Speaker 6: Door meet technically.
19:35
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So I'm like, ah, now we really know
19:38
Speaker 2: who's running this fucking cult.
19:41
Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's like the Golden Down.
19:45
Speaker 5: Aleister Crowley was part of the Golden Down with McGregor
19:48
Speaker 5: Mathers and that whole crew.
19:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he has the AA and and a lot
19:52
Speaker 6: of I had some Golden Dorn. People will not suggest it,
19:54
Speaker 6: but there's Golden Door in orders that do suggest the AA.
19:57
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I suggest the AA. I I mean,
20:00
Speaker 5: especially if you know who you're looking for. I do
20:02
Speaker 5: highly recommend David Shoemaker and his Temple of the Silver Star. However, again,
20:07
Speaker 5: I'm Ronan bro and I'm all about, you know, figuring
20:10
Speaker 5: out yourself. You know, the idea being you can pick
20:14
Speaker 5: up all the books, read The Equinox of the Gods
20:16
Speaker 5: by Crowley, pick up his AA stuff and kind of
20:19
Speaker 5: start going through it yourself, because I think it has
20:23
Speaker 5: such a beautiful you know, it's such a beautiful pathworking
20:28
Speaker 5: for the individual who's trying to truly understand the world.
20:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I.
20:32
Speaker 6: Mean, depending on whose lineage or order you're in, I would,
20:34
Speaker 6: like you're saying, David Shoemaker, I think there would be
20:37
Speaker 6: a solid choice if anybody was to get.
20:39
Speaker 2: Involved in it.
20:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean I do think they it's actually
20:43
Speaker 6: a serious, serious like no games, like you're actually gonna
20:46
Speaker 6: do this shit.
20:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
20:48
Speaker 5: And what's cool about his stuff is I've looked it
20:50
Speaker 5: up with the Silver Stars. They even are like you
20:52
Speaker 5: don't have to be here every.
20:53
Speaker 3: Once in a while.
20:53
Speaker 5: You may have to come here for a ritual, but
20:55
Speaker 5: we can do it via phone. And you know, because
20:57
Speaker 5: the idea is you have your journal, you go through
20:59
Speaker 5: your journal. You're doing this working and just like what
21:02
Speaker 5: I do with my own students is like with my
21:04
Speaker 5: private students for martial arts stuff, it's like we can
21:08
Speaker 5: meet every I meet with you every week, we're going
21:10
Speaker 5: through it. But the only way you're going to get
21:12
Speaker 5: something from this truly is if every day you do
21:15
Speaker 5: it at home as much as you can, if you
21:18
Speaker 5: can train martial arts for at least an hour a day,
21:21
Speaker 5: half hour, whatever it is, because every time you come
21:23
Speaker 5: back to me, now we can build off of that
21:25
Speaker 5: instead of continually having to go and rework everything over
21:28
Speaker 5: and over it once a week. So that's just an
21:30
Speaker 5: easy way to like kind of understand how even through
21:33
Speaker 5: our spiritual practices, our magical practices and mystical practices, because
21:38
Speaker 5: what we're seeking after, and to hit up the idea
21:40
Speaker 5: about the sacred architecture is what we're all trying to
21:42
Speaker 5: seek after is gnosis. And that's what and that's what
21:45
Speaker 5: the institutionalized exoteric church as an issue with, is direct
21:50
Speaker 5: experience of God of knowledge. That is the hatred for
21:56
Speaker 5: the gnostics.
21:58
Speaker 3: Alone, the whole.
22:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, let alone, the whole materiality being evil, the demiurge
22:03
Speaker 5: you know, Yahweh or Jehovah being the demiurge being this
22:06
Speaker 5: evil creator, which you know, if you read the Old Testaments,
22:10
Speaker 5: seems pretty tyrannical myself, you know what I mean. It's
22:13
Speaker 5: like how can you read that without thinking.
22:16
Speaker 6: I mean, the church defined itself just to tell gnostics
22:20
Speaker 6: they were wrong, right, Yeah, I mean no, seriously, I
22:23
Speaker 6: mean there was certain things that actually became a thing
22:26
Speaker 6: because they wanted to say that's wrong.
22:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true. That's funny. That's funny.
22:32
Speaker 5: Yes, because if you're and it goes back to even
22:34
Speaker 5: what the inverted dark republic I always talk about with
22:36
Speaker 5: Plato's republic, which is the him trying to teach you
22:39
Speaker 5: how to phlosophize and how to harmonize the soul, with
22:41
Speaker 5: justice being the highest highest of all virtues. Besides it
22:44
Speaker 5: reflecting the good, is that what happens with the person,
22:48
Speaker 5: the individual person in its state or nation is reflected
22:53
Speaker 5: upon the state, and vice versa. So if you have
22:55
Speaker 5: a sick if you have sick individuals who live within
22:58
Speaker 5: the country, then you're gonna.
22:59
Speaker 3: Have a six date.
23:00
Speaker 5: If you have a six state that's corrupt and doing
23:02
Speaker 5: all these dangerous and stupid things, you're going to have
23:05
Speaker 5: sick people, as we can see in our day and age,
23:08
Speaker 5: And that's because they don't want you to know the
23:10
Speaker 5: truth about anything. Because if you have to know the
23:15
Speaker 5: truth about your history, about what's going on with the world,
23:20
Speaker 5: what it means to interact with the highest of all beings,
23:23
Speaker 5: whatever that is, or what even alien disclosure Epstein, what's
23:27
Speaker 5: in our food?
23:27
Speaker 3: What do we spray in the air?
23:29
Speaker 2: The technology we're using.
23:31
Speaker 5: That's the best way of putting it. What is this
23:33
Speaker 5: technology that we're using? And and you know, I just
23:37
Speaker 5: think no true nosis is exactly what we're looking for.
23:41
Speaker 5: And that's just direct experience of reality, which is why
23:44
Speaker 5: I'm always frameworking it through the phenomenological experience, which is
23:48
Speaker 5: which we're going to try to do. Is we're trying
23:50
Speaker 5: to bracket off our judgments of things and truly experience
23:54
Speaker 5: the world as itself and ask real questions, which isn't
23:57
Speaker 5: like what is reality, but to know that we're or
24:00
Speaker 5: here and so we are already being in the world,
24:03
Speaker 5: and so what we have to truly ask is what
24:05
Speaker 5: does it mean? What is what is world?
24:07
Speaker 3: What is being?
24:08
Speaker 5: Instead of getting caught up in all these traps about
24:11
Speaker 5: all that experience is a demonic experience or that is
24:14
Speaker 5: a satanic or all these little things freemasons are evil
24:17
Speaker 5: and bad. We can get caught up is what they
24:20
Speaker 5: call in martial arts chasing hands but if you get
24:24
Speaker 5: caught up chasing hands all of a sudden, you're gonna
24:26
Speaker 5: get hit.
24:28
Speaker 3: Because the hands can lie.
24:30
Speaker 2: That's true, you know.
24:32
Speaker 5: And so what we're gonna get well, we're gonna start
24:34
Speaker 5: off right here so we can get done because this
24:36
Speaker 5: is a pretty long video. Is this is This is
24:40
Speaker 5: a video that Tucker Carlson did on his show just
24:43
Speaker 5: a few days ago with Sean Stone, where he supposedly
24:46
Speaker 5: sewn Stone is an ex Mason and he's going to
24:48
Speaker 5: talk about his experience with Masonry possessed, the demonic possession,
24:54
Speaker 5: and the government let alons and what they're experiencing with
24:59
Speaker 5: these of occulted world that we're all living in. As
25:04
Speaker 5: Occult has gone mainstream, if you haven't already, make sure
25:07
Speaker 5: to like subscribe and share not only to Magus in
25:09
Speaker 5: the media, but after it's done, head over to the
25:11
Speaker 5: occult rejects.
25:12
Speaker 3: As we're trying to slay one ARCon at a time,
25:16
Speaker 3: and this is where we're at.
25:18
Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of hatred out there and
25:19
Speaker 5: this left versus right dichotomy, but it's time to not
25:22
Speaker 5: fall for the Hegelian dialectic and truly to rise up
25:25
Speaker 5: and to directly listen to these things for ourselves so
25:29
Speaker 5: we can actually parse through all the nonsense see that
25:32
Speaker 5: there is actually truth and a little the things that
25:34
Speaker 5: they're saying. Because Tarker Carlson is coming out with some
25:36
Speaker 5: pretty brilliant conversations over the last year or two as.
25:40
Speaker 3: He himself is waking up to the truth of the world.
25:43
Speaker 5: Yes, he still does things where he talks about the
25:45
Speaker 5: occult as this negative satanic thing, not understanding that he's
25:49
Speaker 5: still stuck in.
25:50
Speaker 3: An Abrahamic tradition framework.
25:52
Speaker 5: However, his last conversation that Kyle and I talked about
25:56
Speaker 5: was he did one with Kevin O'Leary talking about AI
25:59
Speaker 5: data centers. And so that's where we need to put
26:01
Speaker 5: away our prejudices of bow tie liberal, bow tie fucking
26:05
Speaker 5: conservative Tucker Carlson, who was annoying as fuck pushing weapons
26:10
Speaker 5: of mass destruction in nine to eleven as not being
26:12
Speaker 5: the false flag sigeh Off that it was, and then
26:15
Speaker 5: slowly us the understanding that maybe his father and yes,
26:18
Speaker 5: his father was a CI agent, but did he know
26:21
Speaker 5: and doesn't he know?
26:21
Speaker 3: And can he know?
26:23
Speaker 5: Which is all nonsense questions, But we have to actually
26:26
Speaker 5: hear what he's saying so in that Kevin O'Leary interview,
26:28
Speaker 5: it was fascinating and it was brilliant because he's actually
26:31
Speaker 5: asking real questions and how bad are these AI data
26:34
Speaker 5: centers when somebody like the million billionaire Kevin O'Leary, Meta,
26:38
Speaker 5: Amazon and Pallanteer are slowly trying to build our surveillance
26:42
Speaker 5: state and so we need to again put our prejudices side.
26:44
Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson's helping that, helping question our government, who is
26:50
Speaker 5: coat tailing and slobbin on the knobin of that Israeli forces,
26:55
Speaker 5: you know, of the government that putting us into these
26:57
Speaker 5: war in the Middle East. But then Tucker Carlson does
27:01
Speaker 5: things like this where he brings on Sean fucking Stone,
27:04
Speaker 5: Oliver Stone's son, which then supposedly I.
27:07
Speaker 3: Just where is it?
27:10
Speaker 5: So doing it live? Thank you SMS just joined in.
27:16
Speaker 5: Is that Sean Stone in the thumbnail? Does everyone know
27:19
Speaker 5: his real last name is Silverstein? Silver Benjamin not gonna
27:25
Speaker 5: fact check it sounds right, I believe you, And so
27:30
Speaker 5: it's just fascinating. And so Nick and I are going
27:33
Speaker 5: to start this conversation listen to this, and we're gonna
27:37
Speaker 5: stop here and there just so we can kind of
27:39
Speaker 5: set the record straight. Both of us are practicing magicians, mystics,
27:46
Speaker 5: philosophers and scholars here and just regular everyday Joe's trying
27:52
Speaker 5: to understand the world.
27:54
Speaker 3: And so are you ready for this one?
27:55
Speaker 5: Nick?
27:56
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
27:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's get it started at the start, at
27:59
Speaker 5: the beginning. Here we go, we're doing a live.
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Speaker 8: Don thanks for doing this.
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Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 1: It dawn him the other day.
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Speaker 8: Years after it dawn on you that there are no
28:12
Speaker 8: secular leaders of anything, and that people pose as you know,
28:17
Speaker 8: science based and non religious, but everyone who has power
28:21
Speaker 8: in the world is religious. I have noticed, they just
28:24
Speaker 8: have different religions. And you've been on this for a.
28:28
Speaker 5: I already want to stop at that statement itself is
28:32
Speaker 5: a farce. There's a large group of people that have
28:35
Speaker 5: infiltrated the Masons as well as many other groups, and
28:39
Speaker 5: they call themselves the Bavarian Illuminati, and that but Marian Illuminati,
28:44
Speaker 5: created by Adam Wishop in seventeen hundreds. They were a
28:48
Speaker 5: bunch of scientific materialists, Enlightenment thinkers.
28:51
Speaker 3: Who believed in nothing.
28:52
Speaker 5: We's of bezieves and nothing Zabowski and as they were
28:56
Speaker 5: believing in nothing, trying to move our world through the
28:59
Speaker 5: scientific Enlightenment period, they infiltrated a bunch of actually, you know,
29:02
Speaker 5: religious or mystical traditions and to try to push their
29:07
Speaker 5: agenda on these things. I also think that Zabatan Francists
29:11
Speaker 5: are also those who believe in nothing even though they
29:13
Speaker 5: are say they're you know, believe in Judaism and Jewish
29:17
Speaker 5: mysticism or you know, then infiltrate Islam and infiltrate Christianity
29:21
Speaker 5: and so already high power people, most not all of
29:26
Speaker 5: them are religious thinkers, right.
29:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, no, I would even say when it
29:33
Speaker 6: comes to this stuff, like you would even get somebody
29:37
Speaker 6: like all right, if somebody who's maybe more actually into
29:39
Speaker 6: the kabbala or Kabbalist, they'll just say they're Jewish.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying.
29:44
Speaker 6: Or like even like we know me and you know
29:46
Speaker 6: plenty of people and I'm not just is what it is,
29:48
Speaker 6: and I'm not using them purposely as an example, but
29:50
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people in the Golden Dorme that would.
29:52
Speaker 2: Say they're Christian. Yes, So like you could have people that.
29:57
Speaker 6: Are maybe have not a religion but belief and they're
30:01
Speaker 6: just using a religious, you know, way to categorize it.
30:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly. It as models to experience reality or.
30:09
Speaker 2: Just tell people what they are, because it's you know.
30:12
Speaker 5: A lot easier than trying to describe whatever. Mysticism and
30:16
Speaker 5: magic are exactly.
30:18
Speaker 8: Very long time, So let's just start as big as
30:21
Speaker 8: we can. What's the purpose of communing with the supernatural
30:27
Speaker 8: for leaders? Why the leaders do it?
30:30
Speaker 9: I think there was some maybe this is a quote
30:33
Speaker 9: or someone said this to me. They are not power.
30:37
Speaker 9: There are non powerful people who are Freemasons, but there
30:40
Speaker 9: are no powerful people who are not Freemasons.
30:44
Speaker 5: And I'm going to stop right there because that was
30:45
Speaker 5: one of the big ones I heard beforehand, and that's
30:48
Speaker 5: also not true. Actually a large portion of our presidents
30:50
Speaker 5: weren't Freemasons. A lot of them were skulling bones out
30:55
Speaker 5: of Yale or Bohemian grove or.
30:58
Speaker 3: A lot of these things.
30:59
Speaker 5: And so this is another straw man to kind of
31:02
Speaker 5: build up a boogeyman in this of Mason's. You know,
31:07
Speaker 5: masonry is one of those things which is fascinating.
31:10
Speaker 3: They state that they're trying to make good men better.
31:12
Speaker 5: And I actually believe that, especially because of you have
31:15
Speaker 5: your hometown lodge of a bunch of just old men
31:19
Speaker 5: or men trying to like meet other men, and then
31:22
Speaker 5: they have, yes, they're rituals in the lodge time that
31:26
Speaker 5: they go into. But the idea is like masonry is
31:29
Speaker 5: declining at a drastic rate, and esoteric masonry is declining
31:33
Speaker 5: even faster than that, and so it's like it's hard
31:35
Speaker 5: enough to get people to come to lodge meetings, let
31:38
Speaker 5: alone to initiate people, let alone to even join, especially
31:42
Speaker 5: because most of the time they're just a bunch of
31:44
Speaker 5: dudes having coffee and so, you know, fascinating.
31:49
Speaker 6: No, I know, I even think, you know, just my opinion,
31:53
Speaker 6: Like I'm also one of the people who were just
31:55
Speaker 6: like you can't blame the.
31:57
Speaker 2: Jews for everything either, Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying.
32:00
Speaker 6: Like, I think there's just multiple ideas of thought, orders
32:05
Speaker 6: or whatever that have their own idea of what they
32:08
Speaker 6: are trying to accomplish, and some of them might align,
32:11
Speaker 6: some of them might go against each other. But I
32:13
Speaker 6: think it's a hodgepodge of like people trying to control
32:15
Speaker 6: the world. Yeah, there might be some higher up that
32:18
Speaker 6: are controlling more, but I don't think it's exactly specific
32:21
Speaker 6: to like one one order one. I don't know how
32:26
Speaker 6: to explain it.
32:27
Speaker 5: No, you're completely right, and conclusive evidence only confirms fourteen
32:30
Speaker 5: US presidents have been freemasons, and so we're just going
32:33
Speaker 5: to debunk that right away. Like out of all the presidents,
32:36
Speaker 5: what we've had forty eight forty seven, right, isn't it Yeah, yeah,
32:40
Speaker 5: forty seven with Trump or whatever it is, And so
32:42
Speaker 5: fourteen of them, like that means everyone that's that's a
32:45
Speaker 5: And we already know that the president isn't the president.
32:47
Speaker 5: The president isn't the president Sampson. You know that he
32:49
Speaker 5: doesn't control Dick, and so it's a lot of we
32:53
Speaker 5: have to realize who is in control. It's not even
32:54
Speaker 5: the Roth Trials and Rockefeathers, which they control a lot.
32:57
Speaker 5: It's a yes Oracle and pallanteer. But really need to
33:00
Speaker 5: go down to the people who are not who we
33:03
Speaker 5: don't know names of these families that have bloodlines that
33:07
Speaker 5: move through not only just hundreds of years, but thousands
33:10
Speaker 5: of years playing this long game, and that have the
33:14
Speaker 5: actual history of where we come from.
33:16
Speaker 3: And so really important point.
33:19
Speaker 1: Freemasons.
33:20
Speaker 9: Freemasons, if you think about the nature of an initiatory
33:25
Speaker 9: group that's been around in its current form for a
33:28
Speaker 9: few hundred years since the seventeen hundreds, right in the UK,
33:31
Speaker 9: but and likewise in France. But it's you know, they
33:36
Speaker 9: say its origin or they believed its origin precedes it
33:39
Speaker 9: to the Knights Templar, right, who were a very powerful order.
33:42
Speaker 9: As we know from my understanding of the Templars. It's
33:45
Speaker 9: not the idea of like nine knights showing up in
33:48
Speaker 9: the Middle East during the Crusades right to guard the roads, right,
33:51
Speaker 9: it was really more about excavating under the temple of Solomon.
33:57
Speaker 5: Okay, So this is so fascinating how fast they move
33:59
Speaker 5: with it is like he just said, Freemason's origin Knights Templar,
34:04
Speaker 5: Knights Templar excavating underneath Jerusalem, excavating underneath the Solomon's temple.
34:08
Speaker 5: So let's let's hit with that one. Freemasonry has a
34:13
Speaker 5: metaphorical and symbolic connection to the Knights Templar in the
34:17
Speaker 5: York right or in the Scottish ripe. I can't remember
34:19
Speaker 5: which one, but there is a Scottish ripe. There is
34:21
Speaker 5: a Knights Templar degree, of course, and so you get
34:24
Speaker 5: this gentleman, right, now, what's his name going around talking
34:27
Speaker 5: about the connection between the Knights Templar and the Freemasons.
34:30
Speaker 5: I don't remember what his name is, Timothy Hogan.
34:33
Speaker 3: I've I've been trying.
34:34
Speaker 2: I've tried to get him on.
34:36
Speaker 6: I met him, No, I met I met him in
34:39
Speaker 6: Scott Walter a Cosmic Summit twenty twenty five. I mean
34:41
Speaker 6: I got books from them. I spoke to them, shook
34:44
Speaker 6: their hands. They both said they'd come on the podcast.
34:47
Speaker 6: Neither one of them.
34:48
Speaker 3: No, okay, okay, no, I was.
34:51
Speaker 6: Going to bring them up. So when you're done, just
34:53
Speaker 6: let me. I want to bring up they actually said
34:54
Speaker 6: some wild shit.
34:55
Speaker 2: At that event.
34:56
Speaker 5: Okay, beautiful, okay, nice, And so the idea of be
35:00
Speaker 5: that that's not true. So it's a symbolic connection, ritualistic connection,
35:05
Speaker 5: but not an actual connection to the Knights Templar. There's
35:08
Speaker 5: no actual proof that masonry is one string line from
35:12
Speaker 5: the Knights Templar towards the masonry that we have today.
35:16
Speaker 3: And so that is one of.
35:17
Speaker 5: The problems of a mistaking causation for correlation. There's definitely
35:22
Speaker 5: a correlation between them because of the rights and the
35:24
Speaker 5: degrees and the initiations that they go through. Symbolically, mythologically
35:29
Speaker 5: and metaphorically, but not facticity or historicity, not factually a
35:35
Speaker 5: connection to them. And then the idea that's knights templar. Yeah,
35:38
Speaker 5: they were excavating and going around the known world at
35:42
Speaker 5: that time, from the Middle East to the Hellenistic world. Right,
35:46
Speaker 5: the Hellenism had already been started to become destroyed at
35:49
Speaker 5: that time frame, but the Mediterranean, Northern Africa, all around
35:54
Speaker 5: Rome and Europe. So yeah, they were because if they
35:58
Speaker 5: were gathering up all the secrets and going to war
36:02
Speaker 5: with these places, and upon doing so, realizing that the
36:04
Speaker 5: Vatican at that time frame, the Roman Catholic Church actually
36:07
Speaker 5: was doing something maybe not so great, and so they
36:11
Speaker 5: started learning the mysteries and the traditions, and they started
36:14
Speaker 5: waking up and finding true nosis. And then there has
36:19
Speaker 5: been a massive propaganda to dispel the Knight's templar into
36:25
Speaker 5: being goat Baphomet worshiping Heathens, which it wasn't true whatsoever,
36:31
Speaker 5: because we as we understand, Baphomet was a sigil slash
36:35
Speaker 5: symbol of the highest of all great of the great
36:38
Speaker 5: work and amalgamation and something that when meditated upon, you
36:42
Speaker 5: can see that how that is the divine Sophia coming
36:46
Speaker 5: forth to us, and so just nice to dispel that
36:49
Speaker 5: Nick what he got.
36:50
Speaker 6: Well, one thing when you go with the bathroom met
36:52
Speaker 6: just to iterate on you know, there's even there's at
36:55
Speaker 6: least one, but I think there's like maybe two or
36:57
Speaker 6: three of the versions kind of of that before elev
37:00
Speaker 6: Levi's yes, So you know, people should also understand like
37:04
Speaker 6: maybe that one's just an edgy or you know, uh,
37:07
Speaker 6: what's that word I'm looking for.
37:08
Speaker 2: I guess edgy or.
37:09
Speaker 6: Gothic goth the way to try to put that concept,
37:12
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, it's you know, giving it
37:13
Speaker 6: some edge there some darkness. But with the Knights Templar,
37:17
Speaker 6: you know, it was really interesting. First off, when I
37:21
Speaker 6: was at the Cosmic Summit, I didn't realize how many
37:24
Speaker 6: people there were actually Knights Templar, And it's kind of interesting.
37:30
Speaker 6: They had boots set up and when I was there,
37:32
Speaker 6: I was supposed to be like filming and helping out
37:35
Speaker 6: this guy who had a booth and he had did
37:37
Speaker 6: something on the fuck there was a certain mountain I
37:40
Speaker 6: already forgot the mountain name. It was kind of like
37:43
Speaker 6: something that was like an idea being covered by Randall
37:46
Speaker 6: Carson at this event, so he had a booth and
37:50
Speaker 6: then like I happened to realize that like where we
37:53
Speaker 6: had our boots, then against like a different wall a
37:55
Speaker 6: little bit follow over was just like a line of
37:57
Speaker 6: other people and it was sky Out Walter, Billy Carlson,
38:03
Speaker 6: some Indian guy forgot his name, Timothy Hogan. Then there
38:07
Speaker 6: was like a Knight's Templar itself booth with Timothy Hogan,
38:12
Speaker 6: and then there's like one I think one or two
38:16
Speaker 6: other people I can't remember. Yeah that I mentioned Billy
38:18
Speaker 6: Carlson too, Yeah, he was there. They were actually they
38:23
Speaker 6: were all Knights Templer and that's where they're together.
38:26
Speaker 3: Wow, even Billy Carson. Yes, of course it was.
38:29
Speaker 6: Even this is funny when they were trying when I
38:32
Speaker 6: was talking to them at the table, I shit you not.
38:35
Speaker 6: The lady there was trying to push me to like
38:37
Speaker 6: join their school and their ship.
38:39
Speaker 3: And that was that. Is that separate than the Masons
38:42
Speaker 3: or are they the Knights.
38:43
Speaker 6: Well, they have like their own ship that they try
38:46
Speaker 6: to pimp out like on the side. But like when
38:49
Speaker 6: when I saw Scott Walter and he got into the Templars,
38:52
Speaker 6: he was saying it is in her Order of the
38:55
Speaker 6: Freemasons that he So she was trying to pitch it
38:59
Speaker 6: to me and I was like, I was like, listen,
39:00
Speaker 6: I said, I was already in the OTO, already went
39:02
Speaker 6: like an order route.
39:03
Speaker 2: That's that I left. Yo.
39:05
Speaker 6: Then she's like, oh, well, you know even Jay Anderson's
39:07
Speaker 6: in it. Like, Yo, you're just throwing other motherfuckers under
39:10
Speaker 6: the bus now.
39:11
Speaker 2: And this is the kid that's presenting.
39:13
Speaker 6: This is the kid that's presenting this shit underneath the
39:15
Speaker 6: fucking pyramids.
39:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:18
Speaker 6: So now you're so wondering, like, yo, who's all involved
39:20
Speaker 6: in this little club right here, like at the template?
39:23
Speaker 6: Because why I'm even wondering, like there's the templars involved
39:26
Speaker 6: somehow with that shit underneath the pyramid is because where
39:29
Speaker 6: I'm going with this.
39:30
Speaker 2: Next.
39:31
Speaker 6: Timothy Hogan and Scott Walter did like a three hour
39:33
Speaker 6: presentation and Timothy Hogan basically covered gnosticism like that was
39:38
Speaker 6: his whole thing, and then Scott Walter went into like
39:40
Speaker 6: archaeological shit and cipher's and stuff, and they made this
39:44
Speaker 6: claim that they broke some cipher and that by twenty
39:48
Speaker 6: twenty six, which is now at twenty twenty seven, they
39:51
Speaker 6: are going to be coming out and announcing that they
39:53
Speaker 6: have found one of eight arcs, Jesus's bones, Mary Magdalen's bones,
39:57
Speaker 6: and a baby's bones.
40:00
Speaker 3: That sounds Dan Brown.
40:01
Speaker 2: I'm in yeah, they said, they said, that's amazing.
40:04
Speaker 5: I hope, I mean, I hope so I I mean,
40:07
Speaker 5: these are things that I really think. Uh, you know,
40:11
Speaker 5: the young teenage Brandon was like, oh my when Dan Brown,
40:14
Speaker 5: da Vinci CoDeeN this ship comes out, We're like, oh
40:16
Speaker 5: my god, please this the Merovingian line, all the different
40:21
Speaker 5: sacred coding, you know, cult symbols in all of our
40:23
Speaker 5: art and things like that.
40:24
Speaker 3: This has got to truly lead to something.
40:26
Speaker 2: The mystery right that will rock religion.
40:28
Speaker 3: It would rock I would, and I will state I
40:31
Speaker 3: I like Scott Walter's work, Timothy Hogan's. This seems a
40:34
Speaker 3: little strange, seems a little weird.
40:36
Speaker 5: But Scott Walter, actually, you know, he comes around my
40:40
Speaker 5: area actually interesting enough.
40:42
Speaker 3: And so I am thinking, I've always actually.
40:45
Speaker 5: Wanted to join the Masons, and so, you know, just
40:47
Speaker 5: to put it out there, if there is any organization
40:49
Speaker 5: I ever joined, that would be the only one, especially
40:52
Speaker 5: because of the idea of trying to make good men
40:56
Speaker 5: better and this idea of these these this how much
41:00
Speaker 5: actual mysticism and esotericism is involved, and how much charity
41:03
Speaker 5: that Masons actually do give to the world anonymously instead
41:07
Speaker 5: of being one of these big charity organizations that are
41:10
Speaker 5: you know, just want name only. It doesn't matter about
41:13
Speaker 5: the people that they're hurting. And I also want to
41:15
Speaker 5: state how interesting it is throughout the years, hundreds of
41:18
Speaker 5: years of Masonry being around, how easy we also must
41:21
Speaker 5: remember that people can can lure other people. You know,
41:26
Speaker 5: you can't. Masons don't ask people to join, You ask them,
41:30
Speaker 5: and then they put you through a period and to
41:32
Speaker 5: see if you're actually worthy. And then the idea from
41:36
Speaker 5: there is that there have been a lot of as
41:40
Speaker 5: the CIA and three lettered agencies do and wherever they
41:42
Speaker 5: stem from, they infiltrate groups so that they can cause
41:50
Speaker 5: cells to offshoot, and they take these these individuals who
41:55
Speaker 5: either have money or other powers or things like that,
41:57
Speaker 5: they take them outside of Masonry and then they formulate
41:59
Speaker 5: their own little groups. And so, you know, I think
42:02
Speaker 5: that's a really important thing to know. Like Paid Douet
42:05
Speaker 5: was a group in Italy and Sicily that was integrated
42:08
Speaker 5: with the mafia, and that timeframe, integrated with the Vatican
42:11
Speaker 5: at that time frame. Even though the Vatican goes around
42:14
Speaker 5: saying that Freemasonry is heretical, yet the Jesuits and the
42:21
Speaker 5: mafia and this, you know, and the paydue this offshoot
42:25
Speaker 5: Masonry group seem to be in high control because the
42:28
Speaker 5: Vatican Bank is also really huge, with a bank of
42:32
Speaker 5: international settlements and all integrated. And I can only imagine
42:34
Speaker 5: then the military industrial complex and dart and all these
42:36
Speaker 5: things are integrated with it too. And so all I'm
42:39
Speaker 5: saying is we can't paint big swats of like masonry bad.
42:43
Speaker 5: It's like no, masonry actually good, and it holds keys
42:46
Speaker 5: to our Western esoteric traditions. And there are a lot
42:49
Speaker 5: of good men that I've interviewed, that you've interviewed who
42:52
Speaker 5: are Masons, you know, and so these initiations are important.
42:57
Speaker 5: It's just let's not you know, lose the map for
42:59
Speaker 5: the territory when we're doing these things. Is that individuals
43:02
Speaker 5: and humans are imperfect, and that means that we become
43:05
Speaker 5: corrupted if we don't truly do the practices. And most
43:09
Speaker 5: Masons aren't mystics.
43:11
Speaker 6: So you know what, that's interesting that you said that
43:15
Speaker 6: because I've even said before. I think it was on
43:17
Speaker 6: somebody else's show, and I was trying to make a
43:19
Speaker 6: point and I was kind of insinuating somebody else.
43:21
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go there. Yeah, but I've even
43:25
Speaker 2: said before.
43:25
Speaker 6: I said, listen to some of the people that claim
43:27
Speaker 6: to be Masons over in the conspiracy community and see
43:31
Speaker 6: what they're talking about and what they're selling, I said,
43:34
Speaker 6: And then come look at the Masons on my show
43:36
Speaker 6: that are ocultists and see what the fuck they're talking
43:38
Speaker 6: about and how they present themselves.
43:40
Speaker 2: Totally fucking different.
43:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, one's actually trying to teach you some short of
43:46
Speaker 6: shit with spirituality, and the other ones trying to sell
43:48
Speaker 6: you degenerously.
43:50
Speaker 2: Right, like it's literally night and day.
43:53
Speaker 6: And I was like, do you see the difference between
43:55
Speaker 6: the piece of shit ones and the good ones?
43:57
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, yeah, he said.
44:00
Speaker 6: What that wanted like literally like bring you to have
44:02
Speaker 6: an experience with God and then other ones trying to
44:04
Speaker 6: like sell you some sort of sexual shit like in
44:06
Speaker 6: a weird way, just like what the fuck?
44:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, strange.
44:11
Speaker 5: Uh, we live in strange times, sir, We live in
44:14
Speaker 5: strange times.
44:16
Speaker 3: All right, let's uh back to it.
44:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was you know what they were interested where
44:21
Speaker 1: the ancient gets the well of souls, the well.
44:24
Speaker 9: Of souls, the ancient texts, the things that were you know,
44:27
Speaker 9: written into like grimoires and hidden you know, incantations, things
44:31
Speaker 9: that you could basically call upon the spiritual realm. Because
44:34
Speaker 9: that's the lore of King Solomon. King Solomon, as remember
44:37
Speaker 9: from the Bible. You know, he had wisdom and he
44:41
Speaker 9: was a powerful ruler over what was in Israel.
44:45
Speaker 1: But uh richest man in the world. Yeah, well he
44:49
Speaker 1: had the goal.
44:49
Speaker 9: But why did he have the power was because he
44:51
Speaker 9: could call upon what they called jin genies and he
44:54
Speaker 9: could command them with his ring, the Ring of Solomon,
44:56
Speaker 9: the Ring of power, and that's what he So the
45:00
Speaker 9: real lore of like masonry, right, was that he had
45:02
Speaker 9: this builder, Hiram, a biff who could you know, who
45:05
Speaker 9: architected the temple, the Temple of Solomon. But they had
45:10
Speaker 9: gin that they called upon to actually do the work
45:14
Speaker 9: and to build it. Now that's all metaphor.
45:16
Speaker 1: And what are gin.
45:18
Speaker 9: Genies what we would call genies in Aladdin's lamp, they
45:22
Speaker 9: are the beings.
45:23
Speaker 1: And so I went to Iran.
45:24
Speaker 9: The first time was curiosity, but I went to go
45:28
Speaker 9: meet with some of these guys that communicate to them
45:31
Speaker 9: to the other side, and I would talk to them about,
45:34
Speaker 9: you know, what's going on in the world, and they
45:36
Speaker 9: would say, yeah, I mean the Gin and Islamic lore
45:39
Speaker 9: is very similar to like angels and demons or the
45:42
Speaker 9: watchers in the Book of Enoch, right, who are not
45:46
Speaker 9: they're both dark and light, some some serve God, some
45:49
Speaker 9: serve the dark side.
45:51
Speaker 5: And and again we're moving really fast through things. Right now,
45:55
Speaker 5: We've got the Temple of Solomon. We've got King Solomon
46:00
Speaker 5: being somebody who then has the ability to control the
46:03
Speaker 5: Gin or the Goetia, right, the lesser Keys and the
46:06
Speaker 5: greater Keys of Solomon that Krolean Mathers then have wrote
46:09
Speaker 5: from these which is actually just an amalgamation of Renaissance,
46:14
Speaker 5: grim Mars and from the Islamic metamatical traditions.
46:20
Speaker 6: I don't think people know that too much, that some
46:22
Speaker 6: of that stuff is literally pulled from multiple sources. Yeah, yeah,
46:26
Speaker 6: And you just how you do find it interesting how
46:28
Speaker 6: it's like he did go from somewhat I'm not saying
46:32
Speaker 6: that that was like any shocking history, but like he
46:35
Speaker 6: I thought that was somewhat of a like decent like
46:37
Speaker 6: he was kind of maybe putting some truth there two
46:40
Speaker 6: about it, and then just straightforward jumped into the whole
46:43
Speaker 6: demonic ship. Yeah, it was just like, like you said,
46:47
Speaker 6: it's like, all of a sudden, we dropped that and
46:49
Speaker 6: now we're going to fast forward into the fantasy bullshit.
46:52
Speaker 5: It's it's crazy because it's like how quickly they ran through.
46:56
Speaker 5: It's all metaphor, yeah, and somembolic. It's like, yeah, it's
47:04
Speaker 5: like and the idea of being like how important is
47:06
Speaker 5: it to know? And something that Peter Mark Adams is
47:08
Speaker 5: continually talking about is like when you take on the
47:10
Speaker 5: magical world view and understand that all of reality is
47:13
Speaker 5: in that In David Beth interview, I just dropped David Beth.
47:16
Speaker 5: Everyone go check it out after this brilliant man, brilliant book.
47:18
Speaker 5: One of the best, I think one of the greatest
47:20
Speaker 5: books to come out in the esoteric world as of late.
47:24
Speaker 5: Is this idea that we live in. I don't like
47:27
Speaker 5: the term animism, but we live in a pandemonic world
47:30
Speaker 5: and we're seeking this cosmic gnosis and that means daimonic
47:35
Speaker 5: as in d A E.
47:36
Speaker 10: M O.
47:37
Speaker 3: And I see not demon but daimonic.
47:39
Speaker 5: This daemonic relating to genius, genius relating to again what
47:43
Speaker 5: he's talking about jin or genie. Is this higher mind
47:48
Speaker 5: or lower mind like gin can be good or bad,
47:51
Speaker 5: just like Daemon's can be good or bad. These trickster,
47:54
Speaker 5: these just lower high ourselves, lowerselves, these things that are
47:57
Speaker 5: symbolic narratives of a guy conscious, which is, as Socrates
48:02
Speaker 5: talked about his genius or his damon, was something that
48:06
Speaker 5: he was born with. He was born with and then
48:09
Speaker 5: you know, you could also deem it to being some
48:10
Speaker 5: kind of conscience, this objective moral structure and force that
48:16
Speaker 5: moves through us to help guide us upon our journey.
48:20
Speaker 5: And if you understand it also as the left brain
48:22
Speaker 5: talking to the right brain and the Julian James's kind
48:24
Speaker 5: of ways that there wasn't the corpus colossum yet that
48:27
Speaker 5: united them, so we didn't know the difference between the
48:31
Speaker 5: creative forces of God and the logical structures of us.
48:35
Speaker 5: Trying to understand is it and in me as an individual,
48:38
Speaker 5: or is it a higher force moving through us? Then
48:40
Speaker 5: we can kind of start to understand the frameworks we're
48:43
Speaker 5: working with. With something as vast of a topic as
48:47
Speaker 5: Solomon's Temple, and who was Solomon? And what does it
48:50
Speaker 5: mean to build the temple?
48:52
Speaker 6: I would even say, you know, I know this can
48:56
Speaker 6: be h I guess controversial a little bit in the
48:58
Speaker 6: magical community, but I do even still want to put
49:02
Speaker 6: in there. How Originally Crowley's opinion of the goatia was
49:07
Speaker 6: that this shit is in your head.
49:10
Speaker 10: You know.
49:10
Speaker 6: He did think, you know, and I could see how
49:12
Speaker 6: maybe it's not fully maybe it's a little bit of both.
49:14
Speaker 6: But I do think, like when they were saying even before,
49:17
Speaker 6: like our allegorical like, well, maybe explain that a little
49:20
Speaker 6: bit more, because like I do think, like again, like
49:22
Speaker 6: you could be taking the word temple that could mean
49:25
Speaker 6: multiple things right there, You're actually be talking about your
49:27
Speaker 6: head again, yeah, or could it actually be like you know, uh,
49:31
Speaker 6: symbolism on multiple real layers, you know what I'm saying, Like,
49:35
Speaker 6: you know, like that idea was then put into physical
49:38
Speaker 6: reality as a symbolism for somebody here, you know. But
49:42
Speaker 6: I just do think like people should also look at
49:44
Speaker 6: like sometimes like oh I wanted to add this in too,
49:47
Speaker 6: Like you're talking about the damon who knows how it
49:50
Speaker 6: was done? Maybe it's allegorical too. But like even back
49:54
Speaker 6: in the day. I think Plutonius is a good example.
49:57
Speaker 6: People would expose their damons to other people to show
50:00
Speaker 6: them if they're actually a good or bay.
50:03
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's that's good.
50:05
Speaker 6: That's good, you know, if they were actually intelligent, or
50:08
Speaker 6: if they were being kind of controlled by something negative.
50:12
Speaker 6: You know, all China showed that he was like his
50:14
Speaker 6: his holy guardian angel almost kind of something like that
50:17
Speaker 6: is like kind of what showed up in representation. I
50:19
Speaker 6: guess to somebody that he was trying to prove that,
50:23
Speaker 6: you know, he was he was a gangster, I guess,
50:26
Speaker 6: and you know that's how we proved it. But it's
50:28
Speaker 6: just like, you know again, like could that just be
50:31
Speaker 6: even just showing your where you're really at and what
50:35
Speaker 6: you're doing, you know, what your true self is?
50:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And the idea that you're
50:40
Speaker 5: always bringing up is the oracular the vision that I
50:45
Speaker 5: and how important that is is that that's connected to
50:47
Speaker 5: the brain nervous system slash connected to the operating system
50:51
Speaker 5: of the internal external and I'm always trying to bridge
50:53
Speaker 5: that gap. Is that we don't see the world as
50:56
Speaker 5: a subject perceiving an object. We view the world as
50:59
Speaker 5: as we're intending intentionality, intending and perceiving this thing, and
51:07
Speaker 5: so it's a two completely different ways of viewing reality.
51:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
51:11
Speaker 6: When you started even like looking into like even though
51:14
Speaker 6: just for myself, even through the Mechanics and Magic series,
51:16
Speaker 6: once you start seeing like just a relationship between your eyes,
51:20
Speaker 6: your brain, your skin, I mean with pressure and your
51:24
Speaker 6: ears and all your senses in your nervous system, it
51:26
Speaker 6: is like such a wild, insane relationship we have going
51:31
Speaker 6: on with the way we decode and decide what our
51:35
Speaker 6: reality is.
51:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I completely so see ye.
51:40
Speaker 5: And to get back to the Solomon's Temple and something
51:43
Speaker 5: that Lon Milo Duquette came out with that book Taro Architecture,
51:47
Speaker 5: becoming you know, your own builder of your own temple,
51:50
Speaker 5: the master builder of your temple. That's what the story
51:54
Speaker 5: that the Masons are going through with the killing and
51:57
Speaker 5: slaying of higher mabief by this three low desires or
52:00
Speaker 5: as three workmen. And when you're rebuilding the temple, it's
52:04
Speaker 5: trying to rebuild basically the spiritual vessel and apparatus of
52:11
Speaker 5: you being the master who makes the grass green. You
52:14
Speaker 5: becoming the highest level of human that you can be,
52:17
Speaker 5: not transcending humanity, but truly being the best person you
52:23
Speaker 5: can be by by by alchemizing your lowest three your
52:30
Speaker 5: lowest desires, that animal desire of yourself. So instead of
52:34
Speaker 5: getting mistaking the map for the territory, like we are
52:37
Speaker 5: fighting current wars in the Middle East about because people
52:41
Speaker 5: are trying to build the Third Temple because of some
52:45
Speaker 5: people think the same people that were here thousands of
52:47
Speaker 5: years ago are the same lineage to today. It is
52:50
Speaker 5: out our fucking nonsense, because we are all humans and
52:53
Speaker 5: this entire planet is our birthright and we are stewards
52:56
Speaker 5: to it. And so if you can get your temple
52:59
Speaker 5: in order this because of your trying to bring the
53:03
Speaker 5: light and integrate it with everything else, then you can
53:07
Speaker 5: you can thus control all the elements of nature. And
53:11
Speaker 5: as he was talking about with Solomon, being able to
53:14
Speaker 5: control the jin, the jin or the goetia or the
53:17
Speaker 5: howling is related to the clip loft of the tree
53:19
Speaker 5: of life. Then you're being able to control the lowest
53:23
Speaker 5: desires of humanity. Yes, and so it's fucking wild that
53:29
Speaker 5: that's like and and like I know that I it's
53:31
Speaker 5: this rolls off my tongue and like and you understand
53:34
Speaker 5: and a lot of you understand out there. That's a
53:36
Speaker 5: hard concept because of first you have to realize that you.
53:40
Speaker 3: Are a monster.
53:43
Speaker 5: And that it's time to stop being a coward and
53:45
Speaker 5: realize the monster within, so you can put it at
53:48
Speaker 5: bay and not allow it to control you, thus not
53:52
Speaker 5: being possessed by it right there, and so, and I
54:00
Speaker 5: do want to comment on one of this comments here,
54:02
Speaker 5: and I don't like it, SMS. Sometimes you do this
54:07
Speaker 5: thing where Mason slash Luciferians.
54:09
Speaker 3: Worship the inversion.
54:10
Speaker 5: That's not what No, I don't I'm not saying that,
54:13
Speaker 5: because what you're what you're mistaking, is whatever this Lucifer
54:17
Speaker 5: character is. That's why it's really important to read Peter
54:21
Speaker 5: Gray's book princeps and Praxis, Uh Precepts and Praxis. It's
54:26
Speaker 5: really important because to know who Lucifer is is to
54:29
Speaker 5: know that actually there was a mistranslation in Isaiah that
54:33
Speaker 5: Lucifer is like Ben schil Halami or Harem or something.
54:37
Speaker 5: He's talking about the second, like king of Babylon in
54:43
Speaker 5: that timeframe. What's his name, Sarta, Sargon the second.
54:49
Speaker 3: And so Lucifer was never actually put into the.
54:51
Speaker 5: Bible as a as as a satan like figure or
54:55
Speaker 5: a watcher, even though it was we have the watchers
54:58
Speaker 5: in the Bible. It was then John Milton who then
55:01
Speaker 5: helped corroborate this, and thus the Lucifer figure became a
55:05
Speaker 5: Promethean figure because of the dying of the king in
55:09
Speaker 5: Milton's time frame, and it got away from him because
55:11
Speaker 5: Milton was a Christian thinker, and so all these people
55:15
Speaker 5: around them were like, no, look at Lucifer rising up
55:17
Speaker 5: against the tyrant God, very gnostic, and upon rising up
55:21
Speaker 5: against the tyrant God, Lucifer being a mistranslation of the
55:25
Speaker 5: evening star Lucifer means morning star talking about Venus. And
55:29
Speaker 5: so now all of a sudden you get a bunch
55:31
Speaker 5: of inversions by the Abrahamic tradition trying to trying to
55:36
Speaker 5: corrupt the feminine.
55:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, at one point in the Bible, Jesus coach calls
55:40
Speaker 6: himself the morning stars. I mean, that's that's right there,
55:42
Speaker 6: should screw it all. Also very interesting, exactlycause at that point,
55:48
Speaker 6: if you want to go along with what he thought,
55:49
Speaker 6: Lucifer was the fus who Now.
55:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that's exactly it, and so interesting enough
55:54
Speaker 5: you get the right hand on the left hand and
55:56
Speaker 5: God does use the idea of Lucifer also as we
56:00
Speaker 5: can see as kind of like a district attorney type
56:03
Speaker 5: character sitting on this one side testing people. And so
56:06
Speaker 5: I think it's really important to know that a lot
56:08
Speaker 5: of these things we can deem it as instead of
56:11
Speaker 5: Lucer being this evil like dualistic, all evil.
56:15
Speaker 3: Thing that is then.
56:19
Speaker 5: Unified with whatever Satan is, which also just means adversary,
56:24
Speaker 5: you know, light bringer and the adversary. Now we can
56:27
Speaker 5: start to try to understand what people, how like exoteric
56:32
Speaker 5: Abrahamic tradition thinkers are trying to do when they invert
56:37
Speaker 5: reality and try to make devils out of nothing.
56:42
Speaker 6: You know, I also want to throw any here too,
56:43
Speaker 6: and it's just a kind of opinion of mine, but
56:45
Speaker 6: I think maybe you'll understand where I'm going with this
56:47
Speaker 6: too well.
56:48
Speaker 2: One, when you get a lot of a lot of.
56:50
Speaker 6: Angels always seem to be able to go back and
56:52
Speaker 6: forth between here and the other, you know, the other
56:54
Speaker 6: higher realms. But normally I feel in an occultism when
57:00
Speaker 6: there's a character as somebody who has has that in
57:03
Speaker 6: their story, if you want to look at it in
57:07
Speaker 6: a occult sense or like maybe like kind of turned
57:10
Speaker 6: it into like the hero's journey. You got to undo
57:13
Speaker 6: or maybe kind of reverse what caused that to get
57:18
Speaker 6: back where you're going, Like there's when a person has
57:21
Speaker 6: that in this story, I think it has the polarity
57:23
Speaker 6: and it's a little bit more of actually trying to
57:27
Speaker 6: show you how to write your wrongs. Oh, I like
57:30
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like like the magician isn't
57:32
Speaker 6: looking at it as the full They're looking at it
57:35
Speaker 6: as the rise.
57:36
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I like that.
57:38
Speaker 5: And I think Peter Newman put it in his Theogy book,
57:40
Speaker 5: which I actually really love that book. I mean he
57:42
Speaker 5: talked about how Kabbala mysticism true of life and these
57:47
Speaker 5: things instead of you know, is a kind of about
57:50
Speaker 5: reading Genesis backwards. It's about going back into the garden
57:56
Speaker 5: and unifying with.
57:57
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to go backwards to
57:59
Speaker 2: time almost yeah.
58:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:01
Speaker 5: And so just like we always talk about the lightning
58:03
Speaker 5: both path that stems through Kether all the way down
58:05
Speaker 5: to ten Malcouth, the Kingdom, we have to talk about
58:10
Speaker 5: the ainsulfour, that initial impulse that moved through all things,
58:14
Speaker 5: and then as magicians what we're trying to do or
58:16
Speaker 5: as what the myth of Solomon in his temple is
58:20
Speaker 5: trying to rebuild the temple, rebuild Malcouth with the rest
58:23
Speaker 5: of the spheres and path the ten and the twenty two,
58:26
Speaker 5: thus unifying the tree and slaying so to speak. Even
58:33
Speaker 5: though I love dragons and I don't believe in dinosaurs,
58:35
Speaker 5: we don't here at Magus in the media, we don't
58:37
Speaker 5: condone dinosaur lore.
58:39
Speaker 3: We condone dragon lore.
58:41
Speaker 5: But the idea as being that we want to qualm
58:45
Speaker 5: the edom, the lower clip flo entities and bring like
58:49
Speaker 5: they talk about Lurinana Kabbala, the shards up from the
58:53
Speaker 5: cliploff and unify them back with the light itself, back
58:56
Speaker 5: with Kether and the Ain or Ain Sofa and sofour.
59:00
Speaker 3: Again, really important stuff to talk about. Yeah, yeah, I
59:05
Speaker 3: like to it's beautiful.
59:07
Speaker 9: And so the idea of like the power of Solomon
59:09
Speaker 9: was to be able to have a relationship and mastery.
59:12
Speaker 9: And some people say that he actually got overwhelmed by
59:15
Speaker 9: the power and that's why he fell, right, He ended
59:18
Speaker 9: up with the love affair that sort of sank his
59:22
Speaker 9: his his rulership because he it's a very it's a
59:26
Speaker 9: very dangerous gambit.
59:28
Speaker 1: Once you start committing with that side.
59:29
Speaker 5: It's a very dangerous gambit to start committing, like committing
59:32
Speaker 5: with your love affair right the feminine, So another inversion
59:35
Speaker 5: of the feminin right there. The check na is a
59:37
Speaker 5: really important concept in kabbala, which is you know again
59:41
Speaker 5: you had Angel Miller on we're talking about a supernatural
59:45
Speaker 5: woman in the male initiate. I'm interviewing him on Saturday.
59:50
Speaker 5: But that's a big thing and how important and what
59:52
Speaker 5: we see is without him even knowing he's he's crucifying
59:56
Speaker 5: the feminine as well as talking about how he fell
1:00:00
Speaker 5: for Solomon, fell for his lower desires, which she did.
1:00:02
Speaker 5: And I think that's really important because Solom we that
1:00:05
Speaker 5: is us, that is us succumbing to the lower desires
1:00:09
Speaker 5: and not using higher reason, which is then harmonizing everything
1:00:13
Speaker 5: and connecting us to the forms or to virtues.
1:00:17
Speaker 6: Yo, if we if we were to go back like
1:00:19
Speaker 6: twenty or thirty years from now and actually look at
1:00:21
Speaker 6: the way the world is now compared to then we'd
1:00:24
Speaker 6: even be like, yo, what fucked? Like even spiritually religiously like,
1:00:30
Speaker 6: and it's like, Yo, how did we how did we
1:00:32
Speaker 6: tiptoe all this shit into like being okay? When it
1:00:35
Speaker 6: wasn't back then. It is fucking wild if you really
1:00:38
Speaker 6: want to think about it, it's I think we're pretty
1:00:40
Speaker 6: spiritually fucking sick at this point.
1:00:43
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I do actually agree with that.
1:00:45
Speaker 2: It's sounds so fucked up.
1:00:47
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, but where where we at that our
1:00:52
Speaker 6: parents like, oh, don't listen to that metal satanic music
1:00:56
Speaker 6: because they end up like X, Y and Z. Yeah,
1:00:58
Speaker 6: unfortunately they're kind of writing that since we're there. Yeah no,
1:01:02
Speaker 6: and it wasn't even from the metal music. It was
1:01:04
Speaker 6: from the fucking TV and politics and all this other ship.
1:01:08
Speaker 3: No, no, that's no, that's that's you.
1:01:10
Speaker 6: If you actually listen to the metal music back in
1:01:12
Speaker 6: the day that had the satanic image, if you listen
1:01:14
Speaker 6: to what they said in the lyrics, they were telling
1:01:16
Speaker 6: you what the fuck was coming.
1:01:18
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I complete, I complete.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: They're almost conspiracy theorists. If you listen to their ship,
1:01:22
Speaker 2: you're like, oh fuck, yeah, Slight.
1:01:24
Speaker 6: And megadath wars, vaccines and religions are going to fucking
1:01:28
Speaker 6: kill people around this world.
1:01:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, not wrong, not wrong, not wrong, And then that
1:01:35
Speaker 5: is that is what we're here to do. Is we're
1:01:36
Speaker 5: here to slay those those arcons because those are egggres
1:01:40
Speaker 5: that have taken mass amounts of control and taken the
1:01:42
Speaker 5: power away, are stolen the people's looche. And so what
1:01:45
Speaker 5: I find interesting is I was listening to a Mark
1:01:47
Speaker 5: Estavish's Freemasonry book, which is fascinating and really good I
1:01:52
Speaker 5: and he's talking about how the idea of being within
1:01:56
Speaker 5: the Colie Yuga or the Dwarf of Yuga, the like
1:01:58
Speaker 5: the lowest of all ages that were in were enlightenment
1:02:02
Speaker 5: and the darkness pervade and spiritual sickness. However, there, as
1:02:08
Speaker 5: he talks about in there there is that means there
1:02:11
Speaker 5: is a subset of individuals who can speed run through
1:02:16
Speaker 5: basically like levels of enlightenment or initiation in this world,
1:02:20
Speaker 5: who can come to realize the shadows on the wall
1:02:24
Speaker 5: and the matrix around us, the concentration camp, the simulation
1:02:28
Speaker 5: and the panopticon that we're all in to help then
1:02:31
Speaker 5: guide us through into the next age. And so I
1:02:33
Speaker 5: think that's something that we are seeing is I'm not
1:02:36
Speaker 5: talking about myself. I'm just talking about there are people
1:02:39
Speaker 5: out there who are trying to help us all see
1:02:42
Speaker 5: the kind of facade that people like Sean Stone, a
1:02:46
Speaker 5: puppet and a mouthpiece for whatever people or his own
1:02:51
Speaker 5: lower desires to come on, Tucker Carlson, like, he's this
1:02:54
Speaker 5: man has only maybe reached three degrees of masonry. He's
1:02:59
Speaker 5: a master mason maybe, but now he's an ex mason,
1:03:01
Speaker 5: so he you know what I mean, he's not even
1:03:04
Speaker 5: he hasn't gone through the Scottish rights or the York right,
1:03:07
Speaker 5: or any of these other rights to reach thirty thirty
1:03:09
Speaker 5: second degree, thirty three degrees or any other degrees, which
1:03:12
Speaker 5: are all just offshoot games in the RPG game of masonry,
1:03:16
Speaker 5: because technically, once you're a master mason, that's as high
1:03:19
Speaker 5: as it goes, and then everything else is a playing
1:03:21
Speaker 5: ground like this, you know what I mean, It's like
1:03:25
Speaker 5: there's only this and now you're a mason. It's not like,
1:03:29
Speaker 5: oh my god, now I run the world because I'm
1:03:31
Speaker 5: in the Scottish right. It's no, it's you get high.
1:03:34
Speaker 5: Those are that's an those are esoteric degrees. Yeah, that's
1:03:37
Speaker 5: actually going inward instead of out.
1:03:40
Speaker 6: Yes, I would even say that is some of Yeah,
1:03:44
Speaker 6: a lot of the the sometimes inner order is really
1:03:47
Speaker 6: kind of actually going into a specific Lenus study.
1:03:52
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's exactly it. Yeah, I think that's really important.
1:03:56
Speaker 5: And so you know Sean Stone again all over Stone
1:04:00
Speaker 5: or Silverstein, you know, trying to push a message and
1:04:03
Speaker 5: trying to be he's kind of peacocking to show his virtue,
1:04:07
Speaker 5: which shows that he.
1:04:08
Speaker 3: Doesn't really have any maybe or maybe some.
1:04:11
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know the bush, but all I believe
1:04:14
Speaker 9: all the initiatory paths, free masonry is just one of them,
1:04:18
Speaker 9: the most famous one lead you to that realm, to
1:04:21
Speaker 9: the understanding that there's spiritual forces invisible to us that
1:04:27
Speaker 9: are working through people in this world.
1:04:30
Speaker 3: Yep.
1:04:30
Speaker 9: And just because someone is the so called Christian doesn't
1:04:33
Speaker 9: mean they're serving God. And just because someone is a
1:04:36
Speaker 9: Muslim doesn't mean they're serving the devil.
1:04:38
Speaker 2: Yep.
1:04:39
Speaker 9: That it's very important across the entire planet that there
1:04:42
Speaker 9: are forces of darken light working through every religion, every people,
1:04:46
Speaker 9: even through our own our own lifetime, our own souls.
1:04:49
Speaker 9: You know, at any point when you grow up in
1:04:51
Speaker 9: Hollywood or whatnot, you realize, like it does seem that
1:04:54
Speaker 9: people can sell their souls, and.
1:04:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, people can sell their souls. Yes, there are spiritual
1:04:59
Speaker 5: beings all around us. Going back to Peter Mark Adams
1:05:01
Speaker 5: and how he talks, is that if we can view
1:05:03
Speaker 5: reality as these beings as like alive, that we will
1:05:07
Speaker 5: realize that not all Christians are good, not all Muslims
1:05:11
Speaker 5: are bad, and that people suck and people are great,
1:05:14
Speaker 5: and that we can interact intelligently in the world. Frader
1:05:17
Speaker 5: says Sean Stone is shockingly ignorant about as an angel
1:05:22
Speaker 5: of death.
1:05:23
Speaker 3: Calling him on the.
1:05:23
Speaker 5: Phone or quick Google could have told him Azzel from
1:05:27
Speaker 5: Leviticus and he knock.
1:05:28
Speaker 3: I thank thank you. Frader completely agree.
1:05:32
Speaker 5: I think our CIA is more famous than Masonry, as
1:05:34
Speaker 5: and De Troy Pathro's Christian. Yeah, I would say to no,
1:05:39
Speaker 5: I would completely agree with that.
1:05:41
Speaker 3: That's good.
1:05:43
Speaker 9: And maybe not even be aware of it, because to
1:05:48
Speaker 9: me it's not. Satanism is like can be incantations, it
1:05:53
Speaker 9: can be blood sacrifices and rituals. They can also just
1:05:56
Speaker 9: be worship of the material realm. Yeah, right, So when
1:05:58
Speaker 9: you get into that realm of like, oh I want power,
1:06:01
Speaker 9: I want worldly power, I think that's the Satanic path.
1:06:06
Speaker 9: They they don't, they don't think of it as such.
1:06:08
Speaker 9: But materialism at his heart is worship of the earth,
1:06:13
Speaker 9: and that's why people talk about the earth.
1:06:16
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nice fact checked Freighter. Thank you.
1:06:18
Speaker 5: R CIA is the Roman Catholic right of Christian initiation
1:06:21
Speaker 5: for adults. Thank you, freder see megs in the media.
1:06:25
Speaker 5: We can tell you when we're wrong. I don't know
1:06:27
Speaker 5: all the things, nor do I know some of these
1:06:29
Speaker 5: new acronyms.
1:06:31
Speaker 3: I'm totally honest with you.
1:06:32
Speaker 2: Because it was associated with I just assumed there was
1:06:34
Speaker 2: probably resecrusion.
1:06:36
Speaker 3: That's yeah, me too, I agree. I agree.
1:06:39
Speaker 5: It's the same way with like when Jin is throwing
1:06:41
Speaker 5: down all his gin knowledge, a shout out to Threshold Saints,
1:06:44
Speaker 5: everyone out there, to the Gray Lodge and everyone make
1:06:48
Speaker 5: sure we help push them out there, shouting out to
1:06:50
Speaker 5: right now Aros, make sure everyone out there, she's part
1:06:55
Speaker 5: of the occult rejects.
1:06:56
Speaker 3: She's part of the Gray Lodge, Threshold Saints and all
1:06:59
Speaker 3: the like.
1:07:00
Speaker 5: Aos has got her own stuff. Make sure once you're done,
1:07:02
Speaker 5: we're done here, head over to Aros's YouTube channel subscribe.
1:07:06
Speaker 5: I can share she is her own brilliant right a platonist.
1:07:11
Speaker 5: If I may say that, Arros also loves astrology, So
1:07:15
Speaker 5: definitely shout out to Arros. Thank you for all the
1:07:19
Speaker 5: platonic priestess herself. And she's coming out with more content
1:07:24
Speaker 5: as of recently, which is great because interviews.
1:07:27
Speaker 2: Check out her interviews.
1:07:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's interviewing people from the Gray Lodge and everything,
1:07:30
Speaker 5: and it's brilliant and so we uh we do love
1:07:33
Speaker 5: that Jin is putting out an episode tomorrow night.
1:07:37
Speaker 3: I believe with.
1:07:38
Speaker 5: His threshold saints that can be fact checked as well
1:07:43
Speaker 5: as he's putting out all kinds of stuff with his
1:07:45
Speaker 5: gonzo style radio show. But what I was saying is
1:07:49
Speaker 5: is he's got fucking he's got all the lingo. And
1:07:52
Speaker 5: I'm always like Jin, I have no idea what that
1:07:55
Speaker 5: it means. I don't, and so I it's always good
1:07:58
Speaker 5: to have those who understand acronyms and the new age
1:08:02
Speaker 5: slash Internet lingo.
1:08:04
Speaker 3: I think it's like gen Z lingo.
1:08:06
Speaker 2: But whatever.
1:08:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, Platonic Priestess Frader says, more famous as an destroy pathos. Yeah, yeah,
1:08:14
Speaker 5: who even is this dude?
1:08:15
Speaker 3: Howard?
1:08:16
Speaker 5: This guy is Sean Stone, the son of Oliver Stone,
1:08:20
Speaker 5: the famous director who did the JFK movie as well
1:08:23
Speaker 5: as many many others.
1:08:26
Speaker 3: He runs.
1:08:27
Speaker 5: Uh, he's saying some okay things, some true things in
1:08:30
Speaker 5: a lot of nonsense. Yeah, Jin speaks tantric Yes, Jen does, Yes,
1:08:35
Speaker 5: Gin does it's like, you.
1:08:37
Speaker 9: Know, it's kind of Lucifer's domain, right, because if you worship,
1:08:41
Speaker 9: if you become start worshiping money, and you know, and yourself,
1:08:44
Speaker 9: your own ego, well you've lost sight of the transcendent
1:08:49
Speaker 9: power of God.
1:08:50
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna say it again, Lucifer does not mean Satanic.
1:08:53
Speaker 5: And this is a common misconception, and it's been a misconception,
1:08:56
Speaker 5: not just from him, it's been a misconception Biblical s
1:09:00
Speaker 5: collars for a long time and a lot of people.
1:09:01
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's best just yes, to amalgamate them.
1:09:03
Speaker 3: I get it.
1:09:04
Speaker 5: But at the same time, Lucifer light bringer, promethea fire bringer,
1:09:09
Speaker 5: Luciferian spirit is somebody who is trying to bring the
1:09:14
Speaker 5: light to the world, not in an inverted way, but
1:09:17
Speaker 5: to rise up against the demiurgic tyrant that we all
1:09:21
Speaker 5: see we're living in it in today. We have our
1:09:23
Speaker 5: own tyrants. You can call them the United States government,
1:09:26
Speaker 5: you can call them the World Economic Forum governments, or
1:09:29
Speaker 5: you can call them the eggregre that is running them all.
1:09:32
Speaker 5: Whatever the name is, the names change. But the Empire
1:09:36
Speaker 5: never ended and Rome never fell. And so I think
1:09:38
Speaker 5: it's really important to know that, like lucifer Luciferian spirit
1:09:43
Speaker 5: is not the Satanic one or the adversary, nor is
1:09:46
Speaker 5: it technically what he's trying to say.
1:09:48
Speaker 3: But I get it.
1:09:49
Speaker 2: For I get it.
1:09:51
Speaker 8: There's no question about that. There's no question, and I
1:09:56
Speaker 8: think all of us experience that in our own lives.
1:10:00
Speaker 8: But just to back to what you initially said about
1:10:02
Speaker 8: the Masons. So we're about one hundred feet from Masonic Lodge.
1:10:08
Speaker 8: They're all over rural America. They're kind of a vestige
1:10:11
Speaker 8: of the past. This is how I think of them.
1:10:13
Speaker 8: A bunch of elderly guys ceremonial swords.
1:10:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have one. I have one right over there
1:10:22
Speaker 1: from that lodge.
1:10:25
Speaker 3: Oh did Tucker just tell us that I had one?
1:10:32
Speaker 3: Is amazing.
1:10:33
Speaker 2: That might have been the way to do it. Alisten,
1:10:36
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep me totally honest with you.
1:10:38
Speaker 6: Even if it wasn't for some way of manipulation or
1:10:41
Speaker 6: getting him anywhere, just the type of person he is,
1:10:44
Speaker 6: I don't see why he would not even be in
1:10:46
Speaker 6: all right, I completely like, you know, like just even
1:10:49
Speaker 6: for the whole like if he really thinks all of
1:10:51
Speaker 6: this is good men trying to be better, like you
1:10:53
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying like if just on a which
1:10:56
Speaker 6: is like what we were saying before, but just on
1:10:58
Speaker 6: the most basic levels.
1:10:59
Speaker 2: I can't see how this guy wouldn't be like your
1:11:01
Speaker 2: fucking face for that almost.
1:11:03
Speaker 5: No, completely, And I think ceremonial serves are great. I
1:11:06
Speaker 5: got two swords right here. I use them for ceremony.
1:11:09
Speaker 5: I also use them for cutting shit, and I also
1:11:10
Speaker 5: use them for practice, right And so I I it's fascinating.
1:11:16
Speaker 3: That was fascinating. I didn't know. I didn't know he's
1:11:18
Speaker 3: slipped up like that.
1:11:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't notice that when I watched it earlier.
1:11:22
Speaker 6: I totally because I was even like thinking, like, come on,
1:11:24
Speaker 6: took her. I'm pretty sure you're amazing anyway.
1:11:26
Speaker 3: Yeah. And if he's not amazing, he's a Knights of
1:11:27
Speaker 3: Columbus or something.
1:11:30
Speaker 5: I know, I don't I can't remember. If he's not Catholic,
1:11:33
Speaker 5: he just calls himself Christian, so I don't. I think
1:11:35
Speaker 5: he's non denominational if anything. And the idea of Masonry
1:11:39
Speaker 5: is that you just have to believe in a higher
1:11:40
Speaker 5: power so you can be you know, a Muslim, a Christian,
1:11:45
Speaker 5: a Jew, a Buddhist, a Hindu. All that matters is
1:11:48
Speaker 5: you believe in a higher power, and that is very important.
1:11:50
Speaker 6: I even think that's even like part of like one
1:11:52
Speaker 6: of the like, because I could be wrong, but I
1:11:54
Speaker 6: do think like at some point like they almost kind
1:11:56
Speaker 6: of like not skip but like condensed degrees or something
1:11:59
Speaker 6: like that. And I think like even like one thing,
1:12:02
Speaker 6: one of the major things of one of them is
1:12:04
Speaker 6: even acknowledging that the other religions and beliefs out there.
1:12:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is.
1:12:09
Speaker 3: It is.
1:12:09
Speaker 5: And the idea is that when you go into temple,
1:12:11
Speaker 5: you don't talk about religion or politics. And I think
1:12:15
Speaker 5: that's really important that most people don't know is that
1:12:19
Speaker 5: that it's not like they go in there to You're
1:12:22
Speaker 5: not going in there and formulating how to commit the
1:12:24
Speaker 5: downfall of a government or religions.
1:12:26
Speaker 3: You're not.
1:12:26
Speaker 5: No, you're going in there to basically bring an individual
1:12:30
Speaker 5: through initiation of trying to make them better. And so
1:12:34
Speaker 5: they go through the different initiations that hirem of Biff
1:12:37
Speaker 5: went through. And so one of the greatest books to
1:12:39
Speaker 5: read for it, and it's one of my very first
1:12:41
Speaker 5: live stream series I ever did, was The Lost Keys
1:12:44
Speaker 5: of Freemasonry by Manly P.
1:12:46
Speaker 6: Hall.
1:12:46
Speaker 5: That book has brought me to tears before in really
1:12:49
Speaker 5: hard times for the power that it has had over
1:12:52
Speaker 5: my own life, and that once I read that book,
1:12:55
Speaker 5: that's when I made the decision of like I'm not now,
1:12:57
Speaker 5: but when I settled down, which I haven't finally settled
1:12:59
Speaker 5: down into a spot I want to become a Mason,
1:13:02
Speaker 5: just because of that Manly P.
1:13:03
Speaker 3: Hall book. And so I, Nick, have you ever read
1:13:05
Speaker 3: that book? No?
1:13:08
Speaker 5: High, I do highly recommend everyone out there Lostky's a
1:13:10
Speaker 5: Freemasonry by Manley PA Hall.
1:13:11
Speaker 2: It's a it's a fantastic.
1:13:13
Speaker 8: Book them as a threat or even a meaningful player
1:13:19
Speaker 8: in current events. But then I should say, I don't
1:13:22
Speaker 8: know much about it. Yeah, I don't so really at all.
1:13:26
Speaker 8: You joined the Masons.
1:13:28
Speaker 3: Why did you do that?
1:13:29
Speaker 1: And what what was it like?
1:13:32
Speaker 9: So it was it was it was a journey of initiation.
1:13:35
Speaker 9: I think that I was going through in that time,
1:13:39
Speaker 9: right out of college, because you know, in my college
1:13:41
Speaker 9: years started getting deep into studying history and and you
1:13:47
Speaker 9: and even in the Procopius was writing the history of
1:13:50
Speaker 9: Justinian right, the Roman Emperor Byzantine Emperor, and he described
1:13:54
Speaker 9: him as a shape shifting demon basically in that book,
1:13:58
Speaker 9: in the Secret History, and that was bare maried for
1:14:00
Speaker 9: a long time. And you know, again there's all types
1:14:04
Speaker 9: of histories that King James was was it James's Bible,
1:14:09
Speaker 9: but he also wrote demonology book, right, I mean this
1:14:11
Speaker 9: was the way that it was. The world was perceived
1:14:13
Speaker 9: and understood for centuries as we know, as a battleground
1:14:18
Speaker 9: between dark and light. Yeah, I mean as forces that
1:14:20
Speaker 9: were unseen. I mean Socrates talked about his his dame
1:14:24
Speaker 9: on like his you know, but be called genius. But
1:14:27
Speaker 9: you know, they say, like in the old world, there's
1:14:29
Speaker 9: a theory that when Homer is writing about you know,
1:14:32
Speaker 9: the Iliad and and about you know, all these different
1:14:36
Speaker 9: gods having a play in human life. The a lot
1:14:39
Speaker 9: of people believe that we were in communication more readily
1:14:43
Speaker 9: with beings, right, unseen beings, and it may have been
1:14:48
Speaker 9: a real real factor in our in our consciousness back then.
1:14:51
Speaker 9: And then we you know, obviously, we get to this
1:14:53
Speaker 9: place of the Enlightenment when all that becomes relegated and
1:14:57
Speaker 9: we say, oh that's all, you know, hocus pocus and
1:15:00
Speaker 9: not real. We can only focus on the physical realm.
1:15:03
Speaker 9: But you can't understand how life begins through the physical
1:15:06
Speaker 9: realm alone. You can't understand how the universe is formed? No, right,
1:15:10
Speaker 9: I mean what, okay, how does a big band start?
1:15:12
Speaker 1: You know, just just happens. Okay, spontaneous time.
1:15:17
Speaker 5: Give me one great miracle and I'll explain the rest,
1:15:20
Speaker 5: says Terrence McKenna. That's both the Big Bang theory of
1:15:23
Speaker 5: the scientific science physicists and scientists, and also the fucking genesis,
1:15:28
Speaker 5: the beginning of genesis for the Christians.
1:15:30
Speaker 3: And so either way, it's fascinating.
1:15:32
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people.
1:15:33
Speaker 6: I've had people like kind of like hugely disagree and
1:15:37
Speaker 6: almost shit on me for this opinion. But I even
1:15:40
Speaker 6: think kabalistically the Big Bang kind of fits in.
1:15:43
Speaker 5: Oh for that's no, not even think if anyone's shitting
1:15:46
Speaker 5: on you, they're a fucking moron.
1:15:48
Speaker 3: That is what we get with the negatives.
1:15:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, ain, ain is.
1:15:57
Speaker 5: The nothingness which isn't actually nothingness. That's that's the big debate.
1:16:01
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like, well, obviously it's not all
1:16:04
Speaker 6: potential actually.
1:16:05
Speaker 5: Full potential of introverted nothingness. And then you get am self,
1:16:10
Speaker 5: which is then that initial ugh that fucking h you know,
1:16:15
Speaker 5: before there is then the rest of things, and so
1:16:18
Speaker 5: that that in the beginning better sheet in the beginning
1:16:22
Speaker 5: was the word the logos that moves through all things.
1:16:26
Speaker 3: So zims exactly, thank you freighter. Yeah, fascinating guys.
1:16:32
Speaker 5: We're not even that far into this, so we'll see
1:16:33
Speaker 5: if we get through the whole thing, because there's just
1:16:35
Speaker 5: so much going on right now, right thanks for fallowing
1:16:37
Speaker 5: along travel.
1:16:38
Speaker 9: I mean, how does it happen? How does it actually begin?
1:16:41
Speaker 9: Exactly from what? And how does our how does life begin?
1:16:44
Speaker 9: So I think a lot of the materialists, actually you
1:16:47
Speaker 9: could say, like you know, people say Darwin and whatnot
1:16:49
Speaker 9: are essentially serving the dark side because they're saying there's
1:16:52
Speaker 9: nothing outside the material realm.
1:16:54
Speaker 1: It's this is all that exists and everything.
1:16:56
Speaker 3: I agree, Darwin serving the dark side. Love that put
1:16:59
Speaker 3: that on a shirt.
1:17:00
Speaker 1: Well, actually all we're interfacing with.
1:17:03
Speaker 5: Actually Darwin stole anthropologist's theory by the name of Cunningham
1:17:09
Speaker 5: and wrote it as his own. Cunningham was actually living
1:17:11
Speaker 5: on the island and doing the actual research of evolutionary biology,
1:17:16
Speaker 5: and then fucking Darwin was the one who was kind
1:17:19
Speaker 5: of in the mainstream and stole it. Very similar to
1:17:21
Speaker 5: what like Tesla and uh what's his name? U? Not
1:17:26
Speaker 5: Benjamin Frand Tesla and Edison. Edison stole all Tesla stuff.
1:17:29
Speaker 9: Right, this is our own minds, our own perceptions, and
1:17:35
Speaker 9: you know they want us to know, as you know,
1:17:38
Speaker 9: a very simplified version of reality. Spontaneous evolution, random evolution,
1:17:43
Speaker 9: random changes, right, take away anything spiritual. I think that
1:17:48
Speaker 9: serves the dark side in a sense because it now
1:17:51
Speaker 9: it elevates our own egos. It makes us you know,
1:17:55
Speaker 9: we're the progenitors of this and you know we are
1:17:57
Speaker 9: the greatest thing in the universe. And we can get
1:18:00
Speaker 9: into that later. But that then serves a transhuman agenda
1:18:03
Speaker 9: that you know, it's all about perfecting ourselves through the
1:18:06
Speaker 9: physical plane of genetics.
1:18:08
Speaker 5: I agree that does actually kind of say that brings
1:18:10
Speaker 5: us through and I think Darwin was one of the
1:18:12
Speaker 5: talking points for moving us into a transhumanist agenda, agenda
1:18:17
Speaker 5: where machine and humans merge and our consciousness is then
1:18:21
Speaker 5: switched from one body to the next, which.
1:18:24
Speaker 3: I find to be utter blasphemy.
1:18:25
Speaker 2: Well it helps with the eugenics to Yeah, yeah, it does.
1:18:29
Speaker 3: It helps with eugenics massively. Right, that's funny. Well, we
1:18:33
Speaker 3: don't laugh.
1:18:33
Speaker 5: About eugenics here, but every once in a while, the
1:18:35
Speaker 5: aristocrat of magazine.
1:18:37
Speaker 9: The media is all like, well, right, genetic tampering and whatnot,
1:18:42
Speaker 9: and you try to basically take the spiritual origin impulse
1:18:48
Speaker 9: of God creating this universe out of the story. Right,
1:18:51
Speaker 9: That's what the Enlightenment did in many ways. But you
1:18:55
Speaker 9: can't take it out because we instinctively, as souls that
1:18:58
Speaker 9: we are in human face, we have this curiosity and
1:19:02
Speaker 9: this desire to know, Okay, where I come from? Like,
1:19:06
Speaker 9: I can't you know, my soul didn't just spontaneously appear.
1:19:11
Speaker 9: How do I have consciousness? Where does consciousness originate from?
1:19:14
Speaker 9: Just from our brains? Well, I think we're understanding that
1:19:16
Speaker 9: our brains are more receivers almost, like you know, computers
1:19:20
Speaker 9: that can receive the Internet that's around us.
1:19:23
Speaker 3: Right, That's yeah, I love that. And then that's exactly
1:19:26
Speaker 3: how I feel.
1:19:28
Speaker 6: I feel like before when he was like kind of
1:19:31
Speaker 6: talking about like things outside of us that are affecting us,
1:19:36
Speaker 6: I really feel like it's more of getting into this
1:19:38
Speaker 6: type of shit.
1:19:39
Speaker 2: Really do too.
1:19:41
Speaker 6: Just I think us multiplying and the way technology is gone,
1:19:44
Speaker 6: there's just so many ways I think that we're actually
1:19:48
Speaker 6: just really controlled and affected by outside stimulus. Yeah, that
1:19:52
Speaker 6: makes us end up reacting or doing the things we do,
1:19:55
Speaker 6: or viewing the way we view the world.
1:19:59
Speaker 3: No, I know, I can completely agree.
1:20:00
Speaker 5: And yes, aeros Darwinist transhuman satanists are making the freaking
1:20:04
Speaker 5: frogs gay.
1:20:06
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they are.
1:20:10
Speaker 1: The way that we do function more in that way.
1:20:12
Speaker 9: And that's why people have near death experiences or they
1:20:15
Speaker 9: have out of body experiences and they this is you know,
1:20:18
Speaker 9: the CIA does this kind of stuff astro projection, and
1:20:20
Speaker 9: they can see things outside of their physical body that
1:20:24
Speaker 9: you can't say, well, your brain knew it. You have
1:20:26
Speaker 9: all kinds of cases and stories of this, you know people, And.
1:20:28
Speaker 5: It wasn't just CIA and what's his name doing all
1:20:33
Speaker 5: these workings, but it's magicians and ocultists and mystics have
1:20:37
Speaker 5: been doing astro projection and remote viewing and out of
1:20:39
Speaker 5: body experiences the mystical experience for thousands and thousands of years.
1:20:43
Speaker 5: And so this isn't just a three letter agency thing.
1:20:48
Speaker 9: Cool you know who are literally on the hospital bed
1:20:50
Speaker 9: and they can perceive things in the next room. So
1:20:53
Speaker 9: consciousness transcends our brain, right, and that indicates again a
1:20:58
Speaker 9: spiritual reality that a lot of mainstream science this wants
1:21:01
Speaker 9: us to ignore. But I was like looking at history
1:21:05
Speaker 9: and saying, no, we've always had this impulse to see
1:21:08
Speaker 9: a spiritual reality or what Plato calls like the ideational
1:21:11
Speaker 9: realm in the world of ideals before before we get
1:21:14
Speaker 9: to the material realm. So let's not try to ignore
1:21:18
Speaker 9: that she's rare these days. The company actually makes things
1:21:20
Speaker 9: here in the US, not just gross.
1:21:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I usually my tracker thing doesn't go
1:21:30
Speaker 3: through this, and so that.
1:21:32
Speaker 2: I surprise that even had commercialism.
1:21:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, this is something I downloaded.
1:21:38
Speaker 9: And so anyway, we're backings, and I ended up going
1:21:42
Speaker 9: into uh, well, I met this guy who was himself Amazon,
1:21:47
Speaker 9: and he was a Jersey kid who was like my age,
1:21:50
Speaker 9: and we started he would he had been exploring these
1:21:53
Speaker 9: haunted places in New Jersey is notorious for being haunted.
1:21:57
Speaker 9: They have a whole magazine called Haunted and Jay right,
1:21:59
Speaker 9: and not just Jersey, but you know the let's say
1:22:02
Speaker 9: the East, especially New Jersey, especially New Jersey.
1:22:04
Speaker 1: They've got some history there. I don't know what it is.
1:22:07
Speaker 9: And so he was exploring these places like Greystone, which
1:22:10
Speaker 9: was a massive mental hospital. Woody Guthrie was there, for example,
1:22:15
Speaker 9: and you saw it in the recent Bob Dylan movie,
1:22:18
Speaker 9: he goes and visits Guthrie at the Greystone Mental Hospital.
1:22:22
Speaker 9: This place was about for one hundred years. It was
1:22:25
Speaker 9: one of the biggest mental hospitals in the country. It
1:22:28
Speaker 9: was the biggest foundation when they built it until they
1:22:31
Speaker 9: built a Pentagon after. So it was a massive Like
1:22:33
Speaker 9: we went to this place at night and even though
1:22:36
Speaker 9: it was shut down, it was still the lights were
1:22:39
Speaker 9: still on, and it's about five or six stories tall,
1:22:43
Speaker 9: and underground there's tunnels and passages that go on all.
1:22:47
Speaker 5: Right, some mess saying yes, Sean's dad, Oliver Silverstein or
1:22:51
Speaker 5: Oliver Stone is a famous director and CIA Asset Yale graduate,
1:22:55
Speaker 5: member of school and bones with John Kerrey.
1:22:57
Speaker 3: So don't need a fact. I believe it. Thank you, sms. Oh,
1:23:05
Speaker 3: I went through a little bit my bat if.
1:23:07
Speaker 9: Everything is let's say, like frequency of fear in the bag,
1:23:12
Speaker 9: A little bit really felt to purging of energy, and
1:23:16
Speaker 9: the house burned down on its own within about a rituals.
1:23:20
Speaker 9: And sometimes you'll feel the energy of that like, oh,
1:23:22
Speaker 9: this is a place where you know, there's a gathering
1:23:25
Speaker 9: that takes place and a certain energy gets created there
1:23:29
Speaker 9: same way as like a building. I mean that's what
1:23:31
Speaker 9: a haunted house is, right, Like, if you're in a
1:23:33
Speaker 9: house and it's you know you, someone gets murdered, it's
1:23:38
Speaker 9: going to have a heavier energy, right because it hasn't
1:23:40
Speaker 9: unless you come and bless it. And really, I don't know,
1:23:43
Speaker 9: do the right energy, do the work to move the
1:23:45
Speaker 9: energy through, to let it pass, right, to let the
1:23:48
Speaker 9: souls go. And I had that experience with one of
1:23:52
Speaker 9: the haunted places I went to. It was like a
1:23:54
Speaker 9: place that was notorious. It was next to them when
1:23:59
Speaker 9: it was next to a mental hospital where kids uh
1:24:02
Speaker 9: were housed. And this was upstate New York. This was
1:24:06
Speaker 9: different from Greystone. And in that house next to the
1:24:10
Speaker 9: mental hospital for kids, the legend has it that a
1:24:15
Speaker 9: priest that was molesting these kids at that property and
1:24:20
Speaker 9: actually killing some of the kids and doing black magic
1:24:24
Speaker 9: and in that and doing black magic.
1:24:26
Speaker 5: We're gonna throw that in there. Killing kids and doing
1:24:28
Speaker 5: black magic. Are those separate? Or was this person just
1:24:32
Speaker 5: killing kids because he's a fucking kid killer and he's
1:24:36
Speaker 5: not actually doing any magic whatsoever. He's just a sick,
1:24:38
Speaker 5: demented individual, maybe integrating with black magic.
1:24:41
Speaker 6: But you know what I mean, it's like, yeah, like
1:24:45
Speaker 6: I sometimes wish like when stuff like that was said,
1:24:47
Speaker 6: it was maybe a little bit more explained.
1:24:49
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, listen, even.
1:24:54
Speaker 6: I would say probably like you know, a huge chunk
1:24:57
Speaker 6: leader the probably say like ninety something scent of people
1:25:01
Speaker 6: that would even say that, like if you are doing
1:25:04
Speaker 6: that ship in the name of magic, like there's something
1:25:06
Speaker 6: to funk wrong with you.
1:25:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying, and like
1:25:11
Speaker 2: and like and like and like. The reason that that's
1:25:13
Speaker 2: black magic.
1:25:14
Speaker 6: Is because you're so fucking far off and your views
1:25:18
Speaker 6: of it is so perverted and actually incorrect that this
1:25:21
Speaker 6: has led you to do it the way you do it.
1:25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I completely agree. Yeah, And it's fascinating enough.
1:25:29
Speaker 5: It's like dark things, dark experience create and so really
1:25:33
Speaker 5: important for everybody to look up Rupert Sheldrake and his
1:25:36
Speaker 5: understanding of the morphogenic resonance or morphogenic fields.
1:25:39
Speaker 2: He's an interesting fellow, that guy.
1:25:41
Speaker 3: Interesting fella, really smart man. Yes, you do, and so
1:25:46
Speaker 3: do I. We have to hit him from all sides.
1:25:50
Speaker 5: Away because because his because his idea is much needed
1:25:54
Speaker 5: to integrate our understanding of how memory works, that it's
1:25:57
Speaker 5: not just something in the brain. It goes back to
1:26:00
Speaker 5: it's just like consciousnesses and something created by the nervous system.
1:26:03
Speaker 5: It's like a tuning fork, like a radio. You tune
1:26:05
Speaker 5: in to the correct frequency and your consciousness stems into it, right.
1:26:09
Speaker 5: And that's a layman's term, you know, because technically your consciousness,
1:26:14
Speaker 5: your soul, and your body have some kind of contract
1:26:17
Speaker 5: so that they integrated kind of perfectly with and you
1:26:20
Speaker 5: to go through karma and trauma and experiences of not
1:26:24
Speaker 5: only this life, but past life and many different things.
1:26:27
Speaker 5: And so the idea of morphogenic resonance and fields goes
1:26:30
Speaker 5: back to what we were talking about before we started listening,
1:26:32
Speaker 5: was with Nick talking about his sacred architecture and once
1:26:36
Speaker 5: you build buildings based upon certain kind of frequencies, resonances
1:26:40
Speaker 5: and proportions, like using sacred geometry and the correct materials,
1:26:44
Speaker 5: which can kind of integrate it into being a ginormous
1:26:47
Speaker 5: talisman has in when created based upon the astrology and
1:26:54
Speaker 5: astro archaeology and the rituals of those timeframes, you can
1:26:58
Speaker 5: bring in energy into a vessel and upon doing so,
1:27:02
Speaker 5: you can create mystical experiences or discover mystical experiences in
1:27:07
Speaker 5: those time frames, or that inverted version of that is
1:27:11
Speaker 5: if you have an asylum or a place where people
1:27:14
Speaker 5: are sick and is creating these negative aggrogores of this
1:27:19
Speaker 5: fear and despair and anxiety and pain, that morphogenic field
1:27:24
Speaker 5: in that space is going to take on the memories
1:27:26
Speaker 5: of all the people who've passed through there, just like
1:27:29
Speaker 5: the positive portion of that is. Then a lot of
1:27:33
Speaker 5: these people like the Sean Stone and Tucker has said it,
1:27:36
Speaker 5: and people he's brought on have talked about how priests
1:27:39
Speaker 5: go in there to exercise possessed individuals or demons or
1:27:42
Speaker 5: individuals have had experiences of the demonic or nightmares, and
1:27:46
Speaker 5: then they call upon the name of Christ. Well, Christ
1:27:49
Speaker 5: has been used to heal for thousands of years, of
1:27:53
Speaker 5: hundreds of years and a thousand years, and so the
1:27:55
Speaker 5: enough people have created an ego gore with this and
1:28:00
Speaker 5: agragoric cymaticism. I fucking love that. Thank you, Howard. That's
1:28:04
Speaker 5: a great term. You're creating a frequency with that independent thought. Now,
1:28:10
Speaker 5: with that independent idea which has created its own entity,
1:28:13
Speaker 5: and you're tapping into a healing source, a morphogenic field
1:28:16
Speaker 5: or the inversion, you're tapping into a demonic or a
1:28:21
Speaker 5: negative or you know, a diseased field which is then
1:28:25
Speaker 5: going to bring people in there, and then you'll have
1:28:27
Speaker 5: nightmares and you yourself will become sick and all these
1:28:29
Speaker 5: different things.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Nick, Yes, that's totally agree.
1:28:33
Speaker 9: Nice, Okay, good At house, I saw people get possessed,
1:28:39
Speaker 9: and you know we heard the sounds of hell like
1:28:43
Speaker 9: coming from I mean, it's hard to imagine that this
1:28:47
Speaker 9: is what we experience. You know, we'd be upstairs and
1:28:50
Speaker 9: all of a sudden we'd hear how.
1:28:52
Speaker 5: And these moments can cause psychedelic moments, which is different
1:28:57
Speaker 5: than a hallucination. You can hallucinate from these things, or
1:29:00
Speaker 5: it can create moments where we're all in on it together,
1:29:02
Speaker 5: which isn't an hallucination. Then it's more of a vision,
1:29:06
Speaker 5: but you're all experiencing what you think hell would be like.
1:29:10
Speaker 6: Well, you know this is actually interesting. Just not to
1:29:12
Speaker 6: like kind of nerd out on this or take it
1:29:14
Speaker 6: too far, but like there's even something that I was
1:29:17
Speaker 6: like showing, like in one of my episodes the Mechanics
1:29:20
Speaker 6: and Magic shit, where like, let's say we all know this.
1:29:23
Speaker 6: This is a simple, easy way to explain it for
1:29:25
Speaker 6: the listeners to get what I'm getting at. You watch
1:29:27
Speaker 6: a horror movie and if you happen to get into it,
1:29:30
Speaker 6: you shut that shit off. And if your house is
1:29:32
Speaker 6: quiet as hell, every small little sound is gonna get
1:29:34
Speaker 6: a little spooky.
1:29:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's good because you're in.
1:29:38
Speaker 6: That mindset depending on what If you go into something
1:29:44
Speaker 6: with a specific mindset and almost like a specific system
1:29:48
Speaker 6: for your brain to only work around in, it's going
1:29:51
Speaker 6: to feed that.
1:29:53
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So again you could even like, oh, the
1:29:55
Speaker 2: sounds a hell, I mean, what the fuck does that?
1:29:57
Speaker 2: What does that sound like? What's this?
1:29:59
Speaker 3: That's very metal for storyline?
1:30:01
Speaker 6: Yeah no, but I'm just like, you know, certain things
1:30:04
Speaker 6: like hey, yeah, how do you like, how do you know?
1:30:07
Speaker 6: Like it's not just your you're kind of fabricating, but
1:30:12
Speaker 6: like feeding the bush.
1:30:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's feeding fabricating. Yeah, what is the word. It's
1:30:16
Speaker 3: more like embellishing.
1:30:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:30:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely an embellishment to prove a narrative. And
1:30:22
Speaker 5: that goes back to everything I'm always trying to there's
1:30:24
Speaker 5: a narrative being pushed here that then equating and using
1:30:28
Speaker 5: terms like black magic, these full.
1:30:31
Speaker 2: Words that terms with no description all.
1:30:36
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly have dogs and laughter of like
1:30:39
Speaker 9: demonic laughter and things like this that gooing through the house.
1:30:43
Speaker 5: Side note, I remember taking I haven't taken ntheogens for
1:30:46
Speaker 5: a long time. I want everyone to know that when
1:30:47
Speaker 5: I trip, I trip hard, and I'm not one of
1:30:49
Speaker 5: those eye open trippers. I'm one of those people who's
1:30:51
Speaker 5: trying to have vision, do ritual and ceremony and do
1:30:54
Speaker 5: magic while I'm doing it because I'm trying to do
1:30:57
Speaker 5: something and also let it take me. But I remember
1:31:00
Speaker 5: the last time I took large doses of mushrooms in
1:31:02
Speaker 5: my cave like apartment, which I don't really denote anyone doing,
1:31:06
Speaker 5: but with a candle and the great band here's to
1:31:08
Speaker 5: you freighter tool on, because that is how I trip
1:31:12
Speaker 5: into the into the great darkness, which leads me to
1:31:15
Speaker 5: the great light. But I remember a moment where you know,
1:31:18
Speaker 5: I you, your ego holds on and you go through
1:31:22
Speaker 5: really terrible things. But once you have the ability to
1:31:25
Speaker 5: let go, as Maynard says in The Grudge, as he
1:31:28
Speaker 5: continues to scream, let go, let go, let go, and
1:31:32
Speaker 5: finally when you do, and then you reach that point
1:31:35
Speaker 5: of I understood what a witch's cackle was, because all
1:31:38
Speaker 5: of a sudden, if somebody were outside my place looking in,
1:31:42
Speaker 5: they would have thought I fucking lost it, that I
1:31:45
Speaker 5: just went mad if they were to see me, And
1:31:48
Speaker 5: so I started laughing, and then I had the you
1:31:50
Speaker 5: know after like not crying, but fucking being fearful. I'm
1:31:53
Speaker 5: wrapped in a I'm meditating until finally you can't meditate,
1:31:57
Speaker 5: as in sitting in lotus any longer with your candle
1:31:59
Speaker 5: and your ceremony. All of a sudden, I needed to
1:32:01
Speaker 5: get a blanket and cocoon myself so I could like
1:32:04
Speaker 5: like feel some kind of warmth. And then all of
1:32:06
Speaker 5: a sudden, you go through that, and all of a sudden,
1:32:07
Speaker 5: I remember laughing hysterically, kind of like a madman, like
1:32:10
Speaker 5: a joke, like the Joker kind of motif.
1:32:12
Speaker 3: And so it's a lot of these things are really interesting.
1:32:15
Speaker 5: From an outsider perspective, from the perspective of somebody who's
1:32:19
Speaker 5: never done these types of things, how it can be seen,
1:32:23
Speaker 5: just like how Crowley would use certain terms from Christianity,
1:32:27
Speaker 5: and then people would see it as blasphemy when he
1:32:29
Speaker 5: used terms like scarlet scarlet woman or Babylon or all
1:32:32
Speaker 5: these different things. And then somebody from the outside who
1:32:34
Speaker 5: doesn't understand the symbolic language of al chemical traditions would
1:32:38
Speaker 5: be like, well that sounds terrible, and he's all like, well, no,
1:32:41
Speaker 5: you're just not reading it correctly.
1:32:43
Speaker 2: You know what's a good Yeah, this is funny.
1:32:46
Speaker 6: This is I don't know what made me just think
1:32:47
Speaker 6: of this with Crowley. You know, I'm supposed to being
1:32:50
Speaker 6: so blasphemous. This is a good way I think to
1:32:54
Speaker 6: even get a point out, like where the fuck did
1:32:55
Speaker 6: we go in the last twenty to thirty years If
1:32:58
Speaker 6: you took problem the average person honestly, even me, I
1:33:03
Speaker 6: don't want to throw you in there, not really, but
1:33:06
Speaker 6: like other people, if you were to actually put some
1:33:09
Speaker 6: of us, even the listeners in miss population, honestly, I
1:33:12
Speaker 6: hate to say it, especially the influencers, and drop them
1:33:17
Speaker 6: back in the day with Alie.
1:33:20
Speaker 3: We've talked about those.
1:33:21
Speaker 2: They'd be saying, we're shit about you.
1:33:23
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they would you like, we, oh yeah,
1:33:28
Speaker 3: we really.
1:33:28
Speaker 6: If you want to look at the context of that
1:33:30
Speaker 6: time and the people that we are now, like we're
1:33:33
Speaker 6: more fucked up probably than they would think.
1:33:35
Speaker 5: He was, Oh yeah yeah, and at least they were
1:33:38
Speaker 5: well spoken. The jargon that we use to today is
1:33:41
Speaker 5: so childish it's crazy, and like just think of the
1:33:44
Speaker 5: Edwardian period where everyone was wearing suit and ties and blazers.
1:33:48
Speaker 2: Yoh, they'd be like, yo, you're a fucking ignorant piece
1:33:50
Speaker 2: of shit.
1:33:51
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah you yeah, you know saying yeah, they'd be like, yo,
1:33:55
Speaker 6: there's something fucking wrong with you people.
1:33:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Howard agrees, Nick.
1:33:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I just sometimes I think people should put
1:34:03
Speaker 2: that in context.
1:34:04
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
1:34:05
Speaker 6: It's like, yo, look at who you are and think
1:34:07
Speaker 6: of putting yourself back then and what they would say
1:34:09
Speaker 6: about you.
1:34:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:34:11
Speaker 3: No, I know, that's hilarious. I completely agree. Yeah, cha
1:34:15
Speaker 3: Chat says they agree.
1:34:16
Speaker 9: And so we went back multiple times and we blessed
1:34:19
Speaker 9: the house and the final time really felt a purging
1:34:23
Speaker 9: of energy and the house burned down on its own
1:34:25
Speaker 9: within about a month or two.
1:34:29
Speaker 5: So fascinating story. Just so everybody knows, I'm gonna say
1:34:32
Speaker 5: it really quick. When the Knights, Templar and de Molay
1:34:34
Speaker 5: were put up on trial by the Vatican and the
1:34:36
Speaker 5: Church and they were then killed. I believe it's still
1:34:39
Speaker 5: day Molay, and you can fact check that name if
1:34:42
Speaker 5: I'm wrong. The idea was the leader of the Knights, Templar,
1:34:45
Speaker 5: basically put a curse on the king at that time
1:34:48
Speaker 5: frame to say like this is something is going to
1:34:52
Speaker 5: happen like six months from now that is going to
1:34:54
Speaker 5: basically put a bane on your kingdom and your society
1:34:56
Speaker 5: and the fucking kings.
1:34:59
Speaker 3: The king's castle, his king it burnt down. The exact timeframe,
1:35:03
Speaker 3: that don't make Dame mo Ole said it was going
1:35:05
Speaker 3: to at the death of the knights templars. They're putting
1:35:09
Speaker 3: him through trial.
1:35:10
Speaker 5: So I think I that was from McGregor's nice Templar
1:35:13
Speaker 5: book and a few others that people should get. So
1:35:15
Speaker 5: learn your templar history because it's not what they're telling you.
1:35:18
Speaker 9: That's the kind of thing we talk about, like the
1:35:21
Speaker 9: energy that gets trapped in places until you come with
1:35:24
Speaker 9: higher frequency of blessing a place and you know, clearing
1:35:27
Speaker 9: the energy. So again we're talking of a battle of
1:35:30
Speaker 9: dark and light. Those forces that draw upon dark energy
1:35:35
Speaker 9: because they can then invoke spirit, let's say, darker spirits
1:35:41
Speaker 9: that hooks into that. If everything is let's say like
1:35:45
Speaker 9: frequency fear, you know, things that are horrific horror films
1:35:51
Speaker 9: play into the psychology. Right, It's like Freddy Krueger, right,
1:35:54
Speaker 9: he plays he prays upon He's a dream dream demon, right,
1:35:57
Speaker 9: he he infects people with fear, And we think about
1:36:02
Speaker 9: how like demons are what they're scary, right, they're monstrous,
1:36:05
Speaker 9: their shadows, they are things that.
1:36:09
Speaker 1: They create fear.
1:36:10
Speaker 5: Good question, mystic mystic Mama Ae. Did the Templars evolved
1:36:14
Speaker 5: to Freemasonry that was then infiltrated? Excuse my ignorance, always
1:36:17
Speaker 5: trying to learn, you just missed it out. We talked
1:36:19
Speaker 5: about that earlier in the show. The templar symbolism and
1:36:25
Speaker 5: Templar history in mythos is deeply integrated into Masonic initiation
1:36:32
Speaker 5: and going through once you get into the higher degrees
1:36:35
Speaker 5: of the Scottish right and ore yoke right. I can't again,
1:36:37
Speaker 5: I can't remember, but I'm think it's Scottish right. But
1:36:41
Speaker 5: of what I know, it's not a direct historical line.
1:36:45
Speaker 5: So something really important to know is like they're always
1:36:49
Speaker 5: trying to connect those two that the Templars became the Masons,
1:36:53
Speaker 5: but there is no actual history of that.
1:36:56
Speaker 3: Like the Masons were, you know, small independent groups.
1:36:58
Speaker 5: Of operative Mason's, actual stone Masons, people building things, and
1:37:04
Speaker 5: then they created degrees in these Masonic groups so that
1:37:08
Speaker 5: they would know each other as they moved through from
1:37:11
Speaker 5: city to city to gain jobs, and then handshakes and
1:37:14
Speaker 5: signs so they would know each other as they were
1:37:16
Speaker 5: doing these things. And then you get speculative masonry, which
1:37:20
Speaker 5: is then people who weren't stone masons wanting to also
1:37:24
Speaker 5: become making, you know, making good men better, wanting to
1:37:28
Speaker 5: then go through these initiations that then they integrate with
1:37:31
Speaker 5: the story of Solomon and this temple and the story
1:37:33
Speaker 5: of Hi, the murder of Hiram a biff By, you know,
1:37:36
Speaker 5: the symbolic loess hit by the three again three the
1:37:41
Speaker 5: three lowest desires or these three Charlatans who were his
1:37:45
Speaker 5: workers who then killed him because they were trying to
1:37:48
Speaker 5: find the secrets of Solomon.
1:37:50
Speaker 9: But yeah, run us and then it seems to be
1:37:56
Speaker 9: like the frequency match almost.
1:38:00
Speaker 8: Do you think that's one of the reasons that Jesus
1:38:03
Speaker 8: so often tells his disciples not to be afraid.
1:38:06
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right.
1:38:08
Speaker 9: So remember when demon cast When Jesus casts out the demons,
1:38:11
Speaker 9: he sends them into the swine. He's like, yeah, get
1:38:14
Speaker 9: him out, get out of kill the vessel, and they
1:38:17
Speaker 9: go and kill themselves because a lot of the demonic
1:38:19
Speaker 9: I mean again there's different frequency of demonic energy, there's madness.
1:38:25
Speaker 3: Did he just say that the demons made them kill himself?
1:38:29
Speaker 5: Is that?
1:38:30
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:38:30
Speaker 5: Nobody can make you kill yourself, by the way, just
1:38:33
Speaker 5: that's why we do our practice, and that's why we
1:38:35
Speaker 5: have a sound mind, and that's why we use reasons
1:38:38
Speaker 5: beautiful thinking.
1:38:39
Speaker 6: This is even another reason why I would even go
1:38:41
Speaker 6: with its negative aspects in your brain again, in your mind, Yeah,
1:38:44
Speaker 6: you know that's a voice in your head that you
1:38:46
Speaker 6: went with.
1:38:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you shouldn't be listening to any of the
1:38:49
Speaker 5: voices in your head right because those are all made up.
1:38:54
Speaker 5: Every voice, even the one you think you are, is
1:38:56
Speaker 5: made up in an illusion. We are supposed to calm
1:39:00
Speaker 5: our mind, and you'll never be able to make it
1:39:02
Speaker 5: go away. That is one of the new ag woo
1:39:05
Speaker 5: woo yoga spiritual things.
1:39:08
Speaker 10: Close your eyes, look into the darkness, find the blazing star,
1:39:18
Speaker 10: focus on they become the eclipse. Don't feel that the
1:39:28
Speaker 10: show will be doing in death. You show