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Magic Tricks that shouldn't work.. but do! #292 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, and horses if you're out there, welcome to episode 292 of the Magic Guys.
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  I'm one of your Magic Guys, Josh Norbedo, baldy and ready. And to my left, we have Nick K.
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  That's right half man half horse magic man nick jay must be nice.
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  It's i always make that joke when someone says like oh what star sign are you
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  like i'm the half man half horse what's it called yeah guess which half is horse,
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  wow it's a sagittarius joke yeah yeah like it's the tail you should see my back very hairy,
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  it's so hairy well that's not a,
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  anymore because I moved around my sound effects.
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  It'd be good if we had a sponsor that saved our backs. That'd be awesome.
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  Thank you to Backblade for sponsoring this episode.
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  Hey, I'd take it. I'd take it.
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  What's thomas conga he's practicing his yo-yo-yoing,
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  great this might be a new name great grandpa the great great grandpa the great,
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  nice the nice chat gbt profile pic good to see my friend,
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  and what how long do you wait for the lecture to start is this like back in
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  school it is you know you gotta wait till the uh the the ogs the,
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  old heads as franco pascali calls them come in but we're here,
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  daylight savings time yes it is daylight savings time all right for those listening
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  to this and not watching this live this is me mumbling through the comments
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  that our friends are leaving us,
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  my condolences on that 20 seconds scotty link good to see you nick,
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  we're amongst it all the craziness of the year we are just telling me how you
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  have to now go spend four hours getting turned into a robot how's your yeah i'm doing.
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  I'm doing a lot of cyber gigs right now and because i do the ipad magic thing
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  and i customize a lot of stuff i have had,
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  nights where i'm constantly debugging the apps to create things and pull things
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  out of screen and i'm asking for them to send me the merchandise and things
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  they want me to use they're sending it last minute.
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  I got one client that I'm doing an enormous gig for at the end of next month
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  that they've changed the scope of this thing like four times now.
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  And I've just said, this is the final, get out of my face and don't talk to
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  me until you've paid the deposit. The deposit was a month late in payment.
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  It's just been one thing after another. And so I pride myself on the work I
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  put out there, but it's the kind of thing where it's like, look,
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  we got to talk about your expectations because, you know, could you do this?
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  I got to look with enough time and money, anything is possible.
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  But you know, it's like the less time you give me more money, you got to pay.
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  That's how the game works. Cause I got to start leaning on resources that cost
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  me a fortune to do things, you know, so.
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  It's all coming together. I'm excited for what I'm going to be producing.
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  I got one major cyber gig tonight that requires me to shave my beard and paint
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  my head and look like an Android robot to perform, which is something that Josh
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  has done before in the past as well.
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  You can contest to how fun that is, right?
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  Well, you know what I did was I became the cyber robot before I shaved my head.
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  So I had to go through the gluing down process first.
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  Like an idiot. And that's disgusting to have your hair glued flat to your head.
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  Not just gelled down, but glued down. You know what the worst is?
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  I do a Mad Hatter gig every now and again. I got to do one this Thursday,
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  which requires me to shave the beard once again.
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  But we do the Johnny Depp one with all the ginger.
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  Yeah. And I have to glue the eyebrows.
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  Like they basically cut some off the wig off and they glue it to my eyebrows.
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  And then trying to get that off your eyebrows is torture. They use something
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  gum. I forget what it's called, but it's a super sticky kind of thing.
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  It's, it's the thing of nightmares, but you know, it's a privilege the client
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  pays for. And we were saying this just before the show was like,
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  the squeeze isn't really worth the juice.
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  And what I mean by that is that like, they're paying for an extra three,
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  three and a half, sometimes four hours of makeup and makeup artists and me sitting
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  in a chair, spirit gum. Thank you, Scotty Link is what it's called.
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  They're paying all these extra time for me to sit in a chair to be muzzed up like this thing.
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  And the magic would be equally as awesome if I just wore my own suit and wasn't, yeah.
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  And the question from Grandpa is, wait, why would you do this?
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  I'll tell you why, Grandpa.
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  The privilege they pay for. We charge
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  an exorbitant amount for such a privilege. And we have bills to pay.
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  And we are getting taxed up the wazoo. So we're making less,
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  which means we've got to make more.
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  Welcome to Strya.
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  When you first do these dress-up gigs, there is a novelty to it.
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  And you do feel a bit like, ah, this is fun. But eventually,
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  you're just like, really?
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  I got to glue these on my eyebrows again, you know? And it really should be
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  about what's going to make the magic better, you know?
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  And I know, like, whenever I work with a circus agency, like a circ who loves
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  to theme everything they do to an event.
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  I'll get a message from them saying, hey, you have to dress in these colors,
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  because that's the theme or that's the company logo or whatever.
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  And I recently did an event where they're like, oh, can you dress in black and
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  white? And I'm like, yeah, I have a suit that's split into black and white.
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  They're like, oh, that's awesome. And they kept reminding me about this.
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  And I'm like, yes. And I have like a white tie, but a black shirt.
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  And it's going to be great.
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  Get to the event. And I'm like to the client. I'm like, hey, look, I'm dressed.
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  And they're like, oh, that's a fun suit. I'm like, yeah, because of your black
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  and white theme. And they're like, what?
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  They're like, yeah, they'd said to, you know, it's a black and white theme.
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  They're like, oh, no, I mean, I guess our company logo is black and white.
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  Maybe that's what I told them.
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  And I'm like, oh, come on. No one cares that I'm dressed like this because you
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  just wanted me to look like their logo, which not a single person is going to
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  recognize or appreciate.
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  With the lights for those watching with their ears nick is showing us some leds
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  on his suit yeah so you got these like these other seeds that i had to wire through the suit,
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  um and it's got a it's got a power bank just the head tag tape to the back because you know,
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  sex drugs rock and roll and gaffer tape that's what showbiz is about and so
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  see now i i would argue that that and maybe the one more LED element,
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  like a bow tie or a tie, is enough to say you're an Android magician.
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  Yeah, no, not for them. We got to paint our whole faces and that's that.
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  Right. And also, I've been the Mad Hatter once. So this company does events
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  all around Australia, I guess, and Nick's their main guy, but in Brisbane.
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  Once I've been the robot and once I've been the Mad Hatter and when I was the
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  Mad Hatter it was at the peril of the magic because now I don't have,
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  access to the same pockets I would have in my costume so now my magic is being
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  compromised just so I look like this character that,
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  they're paying for a magician so it is kind of weird and,
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  in the same breath you do a lot less magic because all you end up doing is just
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  taking photos the whole evening that's that's it and for whatever reason and
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  i don't know like you probably won't contest to this because but i i will i'll tell you straight up,
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  chicks love the wonka and they love the mad hatter like they will hit on you like a jackhammer,
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  when you it's insane like i've had nights where i was just like all right I
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  guess everybody wants to go home and say like, oh,
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  I went home with the Mad Hatter. It's like, yeah, things got lit.
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  Like it's, they come for you, man.
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  And that's because the movie came out when they were six.
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  And so they've idolized that character forever. And they're like,
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  oh, does this drink make it bigger? You know?
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  Where the fuck is my sound? Yeah.
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  I've gotten rid of the rimshot sound because i was trying to like come up with
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  other other little things but anyway,
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  i digress funny stuff and yeah that's interesting that people would hit on a
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  character maybe because it's like a novelty and it doesn't feel like they're
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  really hitting on the person but rather that's true like i don't know,
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  i remember i went on a date with a a girl that was secretly me mouse so that was,
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  oh that was cool yeah that is cool yeah and like if you've ever worked for disney
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  you can never say to someone like hey go put the goofy costume on get you have
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  to say hey buddy could you go get goofy to come out,
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  and that's code for go get stupid,
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  yeah right yeah so disney are all about maintaining that magic oh and i love
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  that and And that's the right place for dressing up.
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  Like your job is to get dressed up. Yeah.
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  You know, whereas we're the magician, but we're also now being told to dress up.
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  Like this evening, I'm a part of this event that's being themed out as a French
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  cabaret dinner at this heritage theater in Brisbane.
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  But they're awesome. They're like, just dress whatever you feel.
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  You know, you're going to be in a suit anyway. that's half of what a french cabaret would be anyway,
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  all good you don't have to do accents or any of that weird stuff and i'm like
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  okay great this is gonna be fun,
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  you know i did a show i think it was saturday and it was soccer themed for some
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  reason these guys were all in the car industry it was like an awards night super
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  fun really really great group of guys had a great time but they had,
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  you mirrored people yes.
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  So if i'm trying i don't know just to describe it like imagine a person made
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  of mirrors so they're highly reflective whatever else,
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  And they had, uh, two kangaroos, like giant kangaroos, people in these kangaroos.
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  Had everything like giant two meter long tails, like trying to navigate through things.
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  And, and annoyingly the green room was like upstairs and they're like,
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  you know, they're putting on like giant feet, you know what I mean?
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  Because they're, they're in character. So like they can't walk downstairs.
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  They don't fit in the elevator because their tails are like x meters long and
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  then and it takes like 15 minutes just to attach said tail as well so it's just
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  remarkable like the links we'll go to to sort of make that all all happen and
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  i remember because we we arrived at the gig,
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  everyone did their shtick i finished up like it was only an hour like of just,
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  cocktail hour and we're all full muzzed up,
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  and these were all like immaculately fit circus girls that were doing it as
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  well but by the end of that one hour like we get back to the green room and
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  everyone's just dripping sweat like they're all just oh no doubt yeah just like,
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  their hair's all frazzled their faces are bright red because they i mean you're
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  wearing glass dude that's heavy.
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  That's yeah you know what we full disco stew style,
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  yeah yeah yeah human disco ball yeah exactly it's a great idea and everyone
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  started you know emulating it the moment someone did it and you know what we're
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  shitting on dressing up this whole time but as i just spoke,
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  the words that i'm doing a french cabaret dinner tonight i just realized that
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  sitting behind me every every week is this bloody.
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  Wig that maybe i should bloody wear tonight because when else when else will
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  i have a uh French kind of looking dress.
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  You know why they wore wigs, right? Like in that period.
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  I think, I think, I think during that, that period, I believe there was an STD
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  that they were, that everyone had contracted and it resulted in people's hair falling out and stuff.
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  Syphilis. Thank you, Thomas Conger. This is why I love the chat and we're not
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  just chatting amongst each other. They're so helpful.
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  Yeah. And so they all had syphilis and like, you know, things were falling off.
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  And I saw there's a paint, all their face white, and they wore the big wigs
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  to look affluent, but really they were just covering up their syphilis because
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  there were a bunch of horny spazzes. Really?
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  Yeah. So this is your way of saying, hi there, I'm Josh Nabito and I'm riddled
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  with syphilis. High five.
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  How do you do? Please pick a card. It's a good wig though. It's got a ponytail
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  and everything. That's proper.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Energy.
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  Yeah. And I have the outfit that goes with it too. Like Baroque style era.
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  Anyway enough about that like on from like frozen like or whatever it is like
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  he's got the big chest no it's it's kind of it's from that era where everyone
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  was trying to be super fancy in the,
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  1800s and i got sent a deck of cards that is themed out to this the guy mark,
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  stutzman who creates david blaine's card designs he sent me a deck,
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  he'd independently done and i was like oh you know what to do it justice when
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  i make this video i'm going to buy an outfit to also look like this era so it's
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  very excellent yeah and i've talked about this before but,
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  bicycle ended up reaching out and collaborating on the video themselves and
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  wanted to like run ads on this video and stuff and i was like.
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  That's interesting. And of course, I'm not going to be able to find it. But anyway.
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  I just want to, before we go any further, there is a, the chat is lit with contention
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  about having to shave one's beard.
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  And, uh, and you're right. It's totally respectful that you would,
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  uh, want to not shave your beard or go any further. I know I'm,
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  you know, I've had friends that have, uh, mustaches that come out and twirl
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  and they were like, can you shave the mustache for the gig? And it's like, are you tripping?
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  All I can say in answer to that is that like the beard grows back and I need
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  to shave it for two gigs this week anyway. And this is a definitely a privilege
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  that they are well and truly paying for.
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  So yeah, it's not something that I took lightly.
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  And again, it grows, it grows back. It ain't no thing.
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  So, you know, like what will happen is like, I'll, I'll shave it tonight.
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  I'll shave it again on the Thursday and I'll let it grow out.
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  And then you guys can come back next Tuesday when we have an awesome person
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  interview and you will see kind of its progress over the coming weeks and how quickly it grows back.
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  So for me, like, yeah, I wish I was more married to it, you know,
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  but which is a bit upsetting because like, I think beards for men is what makeup is to ladies.
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  I think so too. And just quickly for those who are watching this live, this was the...
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  When it focuses, this is the video I was referencing, then it's still, okay, come on.
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  There we go. We're trying to be professionals here. And there we go.
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  Oh, come on. I've turned it off. It's still giving you a sad attitude.
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  Nope. What a bastard. Okay, I'll hold it back here. Anyway, it's like, you can see like the...
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  Yeah, pop it in the Discord perhaps so the guys can have a look at that one.
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  That'll be fun. That probably makes more sense. Yeah.
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  So grandpa, grandpa is saying that he's only shaved his beard three times since
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  junior high. And judging by the little icon, I can see from his YouTube comments,
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  bro, that is a mighty beard and sick color scheme as well. It's beautiful.
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  I always love when you have a beard. And so for me, like my beard is like,
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  there's white growing here over my chin and white growing just here behind my ears.
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  And I love it because, you know, people go, you got white again.
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  This is what wisdom looks like when white comes through. This is wisdom.
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  So, I listen and I speak. That's where wisdom comes from.
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  That's interesting. And my buddy, Mikey, he's got this one white patch,
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  but it's on the side of his chin here, like just there.
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  And I always make this joke. It's like, yeah, wisdom had to clock you in the
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  chin with like a right hook for you to actually learn something about life. That's funny.
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  It's just a cute little way of putting it. So, we've had a great time already.
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  Look, you know, today's topic is kind of an interesting one because…,
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  I have been in this massive creative space where I've had to create so much
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  magic and I've been customizing it.
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  And when I say customizing, it's like I've had to present ideas to the client,
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  in a storyboard and in writing, explain to them that like, listen,
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  what I have here is not a guarantee because everything that I've presented is
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  between 70 to 80% done in my head.
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  One, we need to make sure that the method can actually be completed.
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  And two, got to make sure the method actually looks good.
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  And that's one of the things that when it comes to me fully customizing routines,
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  that's how it has to happen. So for example, I've got a full iPad magic routine,
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  which I'm performing tonight.
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  And in a month's time, I'm doing this enormous gig, which is fully custom in
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  which I have to perform with a 6.3 meter screen, LED screen wall,
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  and have all these visuals and tell a full story about coming from Hong Kong,
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  to Australia and ending up in a ballroom.
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  So that was the new thing. Now, that wasn't the original briefing.
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  The original briefing was, we
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  want you to do a show based on the power of you, which is a weak premise.
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  And so anyway, it's evolved since then. I like what I'm producing now,
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  but I've had to come up with crazy, crazy ideas.
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  And what I've sort of spun me out is how simple methods are to look good and
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  how complicated I get sometimes or how complicated people show me things.
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  And I'm like, that looks like orange.
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  So it got me thinking where I was like, I was creating some stuff and I'm like,
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  that shouldn't work, but it looks so good.
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  It should not work. And so I wanted to talk about that.
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  So question for Josh, as we kick this off, you ever bought something where you
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  like learned the method and went, that's disappointing.
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  Like looking at it, that was sick. But then you see the method And you're like.
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  That's not going to fly. That's never going to fly. And I think we've all...
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  We've all been guilty of that. And if there's any tricks that you guys have
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  had this experience with yourselves, please let us know what those tricks are
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  in the comment section because it's totally worth chatting about.
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  So the first one that comes to mind is there was an amazing trick by,
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  I think it was Sean Fields, that I was hanging out with Eric Jones and he showed me this ring vanish.
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  And this ring vanish was basically a series of fishing wire,
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  and stretchy stuff attached to your elbow where you would hold,
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  a ring at your fingertips and it was gone like gone and then,
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  just by dropping your hand down you would be able to retrieve it it was this
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  crazy thing to the point where in the tutorial he would say open your box and
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  have a look and then he pauses for a sec,
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  And after pausing for a couple of, like about 15 seconds, he goes,
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  okay, now that you're done swearing for what you've got, let me show you how it actually works.
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  That's class. Yeah. That was funny, man. I think there's so many effects that
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  when we read it on paper or when we open up the box and we're like,
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  what, it's just thread or whatever.
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  It, it, yeah, it's that exact moment. We're like, this shouldn't be a fooling
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  effect until you learn it and you actually give it a go.
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  Totally agree. One that comes to mind is even the, you know,
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  double cross, which is a worldwide phenomenon now.
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  The idea that people come away from that going, and it's on my hand and he never touched my hand.
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  It's such a funny statement where, you know, to us, we're like, what?
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  You don't remember me asking you if you're left or right-handed you know,
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  but it but it just works you know the time delay and when they think the effect
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  starts compared to when it does start you know and they misremember all these
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  things we don't take into account because you're like on paper you're like,
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  you're gonna stamp their hand and then they're gonna think you magically made
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  it appear on their hand you're like what doesn't make sense you know and there's
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  a couple of things the guys are mentioning in the chat like one that i wasn't
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  really thinking of was like card on ceiling.
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  When people learn the secret to card on ceiling, they're just like, what?
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  You know, that's interesting. Thomas Conger was saying that like scotch and soda blew his mind.
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  And then after learning it, he was like, I like it. But it did open his mind
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  up to how crazy things can be.
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  And for me, there's a small handful of things that are so simple that truly
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  blow minds. And so I'm going to shoot out some examples and I want us all to
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  chat about it, both Josh and the folks in the chat.
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  And what I was thinking about that works so well and really shouldn't,
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  I think the pinnacle is Spongebob's.
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  Spice balls is amazing. We're talking about little red balls.
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  Like it looks like a clown nose, you know, you put them in a hand,
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  they vanish, they multiply.
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  And, you know, when you get somebody to hold the 10 of them and then they all
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  explode, they're like, how did that happen? I'm like, you don't think they can squash down?
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  They just, it just doesn't, doesn't go through.
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  And it's just remarkable how they're so effective. and magicians were so quick
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  to dismiss them because it's kind of like that's a stupid kids trick bar but bro,
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  there's people who will never let it go there's some people that i you know
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  will probably go like no it's amazing i'm gonna put sponge dong at the end of
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  it and it's going to be the greatest thing ever i get it,
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  yeah it's got everything's got its place you know what also doesn't sound like
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  a good trick on paper what cups and balls,
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  Oh, yeah, what's the method? Oh, yeah, you just put the oranges in the cups
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  when they're not looking.
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  And they're going to not know where they came from. Yeah, okay.
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  Oh, linking rings. Oh, yeah, how do they link? Oh, one of them has a hole in it.
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  Oh, right. But, yeah, they'll never think there's a hole in it.
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  Yeah, okay. But they're going to know somehow it's going through.
• 23:11
  But actually. Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:13
  Yeah, I remember I was at the bacon stand, the bacon magic stand,
• 23:16
  magic live and he was showing us these amazing locking rings that like hand
• 23:22
  them out they're fully locked and then in the action of like tapping them you're
• 23:25
  like showing that they're locked,
• 23:27
  they actually unlock in the action of being like chink chink chink and you could
• 23:31
  just bang and then lock them up again and hand them out like it was i'd never
• 23:35
  seen that locking system before but that was staggering,
• 23:38
  but there's just that example of that you know that like it just shouldn't work but it does.
• 23:43
  And I think that's worth sort of exploring. So we've got some great examples.
• 23:46
  Another great example is like the invisible deck.
• 23:49
  If you explain someone on paper,
• 23:50
  how it works, you're like, I can't see it working. That makes no sense.
• 23:54
  Well, you got to make it at the 13 and you got to do that. What?
• 23:58
  And then you show it and you're like, that's sick.
• 24:03
  And the premise This is so simple.
• 24:05
  It's so direct as far as the plot goes.
• 24:08
  And it is undoubtedly one of, if not the best card trick ever invented.
• 24:16
  Yeah.
• 24:19
  It's so funny. I think, you know, everything relies on the idea that the audience
• 24:24
  assumes so much about the universe that we can play with, right?
• 24:28
  That they don't think a deck is going to be stuck face to face between the even and odd cards.
• 24:36
  Absolutely. And here's the thing. The premise of the invisible deck is simply
• 24:40
  that thought of card is reversed in the deck, right? That's it.
• 24:46
  If you were to do the exact same effect i just mentioned but with a more technical
• 24:52
  handling it wouldn't get the same reaction,
• 24:56
  it's true you know it wouldn't and and i say this you know because i look at
• 25:01
  someone like blaze sierra who who literally did a deck behind his back and was
• 25:07
  like name a card and then he goes through the stack,
• 25:10
  reverses it and brings it out like this,
• 25:13
  the very fact that like it's behind his back and you can't see something that
• 25:17
  to me is more impressive because we as magicians love the method and sometimes
• 25:20
  method is so much more impressive than the actual effect but when you just,
• 25:24
  open a deck of cards and spread through and it's the it's just that one it's
• 25:27
  just that one dude that's staggering.
• 25:31
  I wonder if we were able to do a split a and b test with enough variables to test it,
• 25:37
  if you performing invisible deck or you performing your make any card appear
• 25:45
  out of thin air would get a bigger reaction.
• 25:48
  Like if you did it to enough audiences that were split, I wonder,
• 25:53
  because to us, it appearing out of thin air is just the bomb diggity.
• 25:56
  But I wonder like to a layman if they're just like, yeah, but in the deck,
• 26:00
  it couldn't be manipulated.
• 26:02
  Whereas you're just, you can make any card appear. I don't know how,
• 26:06
  but this could only have had that card reversed. You know, like I wonder,
• 26:10
  or if I'm just assuming what layman will think.
• 26:14
  So, so here's one that, that I wanted to mention with regards to like method
• 26:18
  that, that it shouldn't work because it's, there's like this whole category
• 26:23
  of like illogical moves and it shouldn't work, but you can get away with it.
• 26:26
  And I do a lot of these, these things, but this is like the one that I think
• 26:30
  was the pinnacle of the illogical moves. And it is simply the cross cut force.
• 26:36
  We're all very aware of what it is.
• 26:39
  Oh yeah. You split the deck, marking where they fairly cut to in the middle,
• 26:46
  wink, wink, and it's their selection.
• 26:51
  Someone, and exactly, Kevin, he's saying right now, cross cover,
• 26:55
  how does that fly by? And that's my point.
• 26:58
  That's my point of this. And it's like, I wanted to bring these up so either
• 27:01
  one, it inspires you to go out and test it yourself this week and be like,
• 27:05
  hey, man, I did the cross cover force and it crushed.
• 27:08
  Josh was saying that Ben Earl has some beautiful touches on it that are blowing
• 27:12
  his mind. Would you speak to that for a minute, Josh?
• 27:16
  Yeah. I mean, Ben Earl in the family has this whole tangent.
• 27:21
  He goes on where he's like, magicians, stop teaching laymen the crisscross force.
• 27:26
  Stop teaching it to them, thinking it's a throwaway thing.
• 27:29
  He's like, I'm here to tell you, I fool every layman with my version of it.
• 27:35
  And when I teach you it, you're going to wish you hadn't taught everyone you
• 27:39
  know how to do a crisscross force, right? Because anytime we make a little download
• 27:44
  of like five tricks of the deck of cards, crisscross force is like the first one in it.
• 27:49
  And i mean yeah and i'm sure i can kind of mention it but it's worth learning
• 27:55
  his routine but like there's an effect i learned from him which if if i don't
• 28:00
  have a stack or i've broken my stack,
• 28:04
  i can do this effect of his that essentially will achieve the same thing a stack
• 28:09
  would have done so to an audience i've just done exactly the same feeling of
• 28:14
  a thing i would have done with a stack so anyway,
• 28:17
  so crisscross force as we know it a lot of the time is to cut the deck somewhere
• 28:22
  and then sit it down like a cross a bit of time delay and then we reveal
• 28:27
  you know this card and we can either predict it or we can read their mind or
• 28:32
  we can do a trick with it later whatever.
• 28:35
  The one little tip that ben earl has changed is instead of making the force
• 28:40
  card This one, he's making the false card the underneath card.
• 28:45
  And the reason why that becomes a bit more fun is because...
• 28:50
  You can have them deal cards onto the table in clumps or whatever as much as
• 28:55
  they want, and then say, now when you're done, just put the other cards on top, but on a weird angle.
• 29:00
  He doesn't say go like this or
• 29:02
  whatever. He goes, just put them down on a weird angle, and they do this.
• 29:05
  And now you've been able to let them do these extra variables of dealing cards
• 29:09
  on the table, and you can still now, when you show them this,
• 29:13
  you can show that, you know that's a forced card,
• 29:18
  and you can also do things where like so one of the routines i really like is,
• 29:23
  they've like you know peeked at a card or whatever,
• 29:26
  and then you've controlled it and you're shuffling saying i don't know where
• 29:30
  your card is but i don't need to know i i'm able to peek at it,
• 29:35
  they're holding the deck they cut the deck anywhere they want put it down under
• 29:39
  my thumb and then i start to read their mind,
• 29:42
  causing the time delay and then when i'm done i go and by the way not only did i,
• 29:47
  use this sense of touch to know what your card was look at your sense of touch
• 29:50
  and you hold up and show that they've cut directly to their card they peeked
• 29:55
  at before the shuffle all this stuff is crazy and it's all utilizing this crisscross
• 30:00
  force that like we all throw away,
• 30:02
  i mean holy shit does it create some strong magic.
• 30:06
  That's my ted talk but i'm Stick into it.
• 30:09
  And it's just one of those things that like, it's worth, worth talking about.
• 30:12
  And the chats like got lit about it, but here's one thing that I wanted to sort
• 30:15
  of share with the chat because it's, it's a question and I'm going to present
• 30:20
  it to everyone here. And it's just, it's simply this.
• 30:23
  Do you guys remember guys and gals?
• 30:25
  Do you remember the first time you saw a thumb tip or a TT as they prefer to talk about it?
• 30:35
  Like, I mean, I'm not a thumbtip guy. I don't use, I don't rock that world.
• 30:39
  I don't make cigarettes vanish into it. I don't do silk sort of bizzo.
• 30:44
  I'm aware of it. I've played with it. I've tinkered with it. I've studied Silvano's.
• 30:49
  Thumbtip work. You know, I've watched this lecture where you use the giant green
• 30:53
  one where you never saw it the whole time.
• 30:55
  I have. I think it's beautiful. And, you know, one of my favorite people to
• 30:59
  watch work is Tim Ellis, man. Like he does this whole thumbtip bit.
• 31:03
  You never see the thumbtip ever. Like he, he, he does what he's going to do,
• 31:07
  but he transfers it from like palm to this, to all types of like tenkai, you know, sugar pours.
• 31:13
  Great, great point, Tim Askin, you know, and if anyone's ever seen David Williamson's
• 31:19
  hilarious bit with the, oh, you know, so strong with the salt pour mega, absolutely mega. Yeah.
• 31:27
  It's just one of those things that like, when you first saw it,
• 31:30
  you were like, what is that?
• 31:33
  I mean, Thomas Congress this year, I had no clue when I first saw like what
• 31:37
  it was, but he was flawed.
• 31:39
  And when you start to understand that, just that alone, right?
• 31:43
  You wouldn't have thought that works, right? Yeah.
• 31:47
  I'm trying to think. There's so many little things like that where the audience
• 31:52
  just has no idea. Because it's hidden enough, it's completely invisible to laymen.
• 32:01
  But the moment you are aware of it, you can't unsee.
• 32:08
  It. You know what it's like? And I don't want to say the method just in case some people don't know.
• 32:14
  But it's kind of like when you experience the runaround illusion for the first time.
• 32:20
  When you see someone vanish on stage and appear behind the audience,
• 32:24
  you know, and you're like, how the fuck did they get there in two seconds?
• 32:28
  And it's completely mystifying. And then the moment you learn the dirty little
• 32:33
  methods, you're like, oh my God. And now you can never not see it.
• 32:37
  You know, it's good stuff. It's great, isn't it?
• 32:41
  Yeah. So, so that's the other thing where I wonder how many people saw a vanishing
• 32:48
  silk, for example, and went, and then we go, well, here's how you do it.
• 32:52
  And they go like, that doesn't, that's not gonna, no.
• 32:56
  And they walk away from it. I'm just curious how many people have done that.
• 33:00
  Yeah. Like that shouldn't work. And it does. And they weren't, not going to do it.
• 33:05
  And I remember working pre doing magic full time. I remember doing the merch
• 33:11
  demonstrations for The Illusionists when they were touring.
• 33:14
  And I would demonstrate the levitating card or the hover card,
• 33:19
  you know, and people like, Oh my God, that's crazy. What? You can buy it.
• 33:23
  They buy it. And 10 seconds later, they're like, why am I? I'm tangled up in
• 33:27
  bloody fishing wire. What is
• 33:29
  this stupid crap? All right, throw it in the bin. Let's go watch the show.
• 33:32
  Like not interested.
• 33:36
  Once they learn the method, you know. And someone else is mentioning PK touch.
• 33:41
  PK touch is another funny, funny, funny thing too.
• 33:44
  Where like, even if you're using the method that doesn't require any gimmicks
• 33:50
  or any external stuff that Banachek wrote up, like the original one,
• 33:54
  the idea in your head that like,
• 33:57
  that person's feeling you touch them when you're 10 feet away.
• 34:01
  And everyone's like, he never touched you, never touched you.
• 34:03
  But I'm like, you know, you idiots.
• 34:06
  Obviously, I touched you.
• 34:10
  You know what I mean? Like, obviously, in my head, I treat it as I really am
• 34:14
  touching them from 10 feet away when I do it.
• 34:16
  But what I, you know what I mean? Like, the method is, if they knew the method,
• 34:20
  they'd be like, that's, what do you mean? You're going to touch me and then
• 34:23
  pretend you're touching me from over here and I'm going to think,
• 34:26
  you never touched me? Like, that doesn't make sense on paper.
• 34:29
  Like, even when I read it, when I, because he put it out as a booklet.
• 34:32
  And when I got the booklet, I'm like, this is not going to, do shit.
• 34:37
  But then I saw David Blaine do it and Darren Brown do it on specials.
• 34:40
  And I'm like, this is insane. And this is a miracle. Thank you, Scotty P.
• 34:48
  There is something that wasn't on my list, but it's been mentioned a whole bunch
• 34:51
  of times in the comments. So I think it needs to be brought up.
• 34:54
  And it brought me back to a memory. And I just want to share this.
• 34:58
  Do you remember the very first time you saw the color changing knives?
• 35:03
  Because for me, I was introduced to that, that type of thing,
• 35:08
  watching the Bill Malone DVDs on the loose, those four, four volumes where he
• 35:12
  had the, the pocket knives and he was changing them from,
• 35:16
  you know, black to white and using the paddle move as we all know.
• 35:21
  And it's, it's remarkable. And, you know, Doug, Doug's a pig for the paddle
• 35:25
  move, man. Like he loves it, you know?
• 35:26
  So it's, it's one of those things that I just, I get so curious, like.
• 35:32
  Do I, do I use it that much? I have used it. I have used it.
• 35:36
  I've been, I've done impromptu versions of it where like, I was drinking a cocktail
• 35:41
  the first time I decided to do it impromptu very early in my career.
• 35:44
  And I was, they, they left like this stirrer inside the cocktail.
• 35:48
  So I took it off and then I, I kind of colored in the very top of it.
• 35:50
  And I was, which got rid of this particular sticker that was on it.
• 35:55
  And I would go like this and like vanish it and then like throw it back on by
• 35:57
  doing the paddle move and just like tinkering with that type of thing and so there is,
• 36:02
  i mean i would i would argue that you use the paddle move a lot more than you
• 36:07
  think because you use it every time you make a phone vanish in that routine,
• 36:12
  i i i use the paddle move like when the balloon goes around the phone oh you're
• 36:17
  right when i do the uh phone in balloon i actually want to show both sides of
• 36:21
  the balloon so i do a paddle move,
• 36:23
  to to show it because as we know like it doesn't quite cover the phone in its
• 36:27
  entirety but the fact that you turn it over showing both sides,
• 36:30
  that's a nice little convincer you're right you're right i do that so inadvertently
• 36:35
  you're using the technique in in a different variation but for the same idea
• 36:40
  of not showing one side yeah.
• 36:43
  Yeah you know what's i what i also wanted to talk about is just bold moves in
• 36:50
  magic as in bold methods if you felt if you will you know so like some of the
• 36:54
  strongest stuff I've seen is just criminally bold.
• 36:57
  Like there is no real method to putting a card under someone's watch,
• 37:00
  like other than having the skillset to do a mercury card fold,
• 37:03
  for example, but ultimately putting it under, you know, and Oh,
• 37:07
  a great grandini said the, the bluff pass, the cop. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:11
  These are just like bold, bold ass moves that I do quite frequently, dude.
• 37:17
  And I was just curious, like what's, what's the, what would you say is your
• 37:22
  boldest method using your performances, Josh.
• 37:28
  Like, I think the top change is a very bold move. It is a bold move.
• 37:32
  It's, you're right. I don't treat it as the bold. Like, I try to treat it as
• 37:38
  I'm not doing it and I'm doing real magic, so I don't even think about it.
• 37:42
  But the top change, yeah, does create so many miracle moments from,
• 37:47
  yeah, from such a bold move. You're right. I'm trying to think like sort of
• 37:51
  a bit more off the ordinary path here. And I want to say...
• 37:57
  I mean, things like when we do deck to pocket, right? Card to pocket.
• 38:01
  Like we're literally just like shoving the deck in our pocket.
• 38:04
  And then later on, they're like, how the fuck did it get in your pocket? You know?
• 38:09
  We're just like, you did not see me, but I did it.
• 38:14
  So that's pretty bold. Also, so lately, it's kind of an interesting thing.
• 38:20
  You know, with technology being so crazy these days, I'm using,
• 38:25
  and we can, I'll just put it in the discord later i don't know why i'm not saying
• 38:28
  it on air i just feel like i should not say the full thing although we all kind
• 38:32
  of know what it is there's there's an effect out there where you can have an object,
• 38:38
  be revealed on someone's phone via google where like it looks like their google page,
• 38:43
  is skitsing out and then searching for the word and then bringing up the results
• 38:48
  in front of them on their phone and it's left clean right and normally you could
• 38:53
  do that effect by using some crazy technology,
• 38:57
  before that leading up to the effect where i'm going with this is the method
• 39:02
  i use to learn what they've thought of is like an old school billet peak,
• 39:07
  and then the reveal is this crazy electronic reveal so i go from analog method,
• 39:14
  to then crazy digital shit and it's been it's been working out really well because
• 39:20
  now my phone never has to come and play at all.
• 39:22
  I just do a bold peek from a billet and then I get their phone and Google searches
• 39:28
  the thing and they freak out over here.
• 39:30
  But what's so funny is, you know, the bold, I'm doing the craziest thing where
• 39:35
  I'm going, they're like, how did you know what word I wrote down?
• 39:37
  And I'm like, boom, I don't know. I have no idea.
• 39:42
  Like that, that like the simplest, like I obviously look at it,
• 39:47
  but like that is quite a bold move where just no one assumes that,
• 39:52
  You saw it somehow, you know, that might be the funniest, boldest thing I'm
• 39:57
  doing at the moment, which is just like, yeah, I just look at it.
• 40:00
  But then it becomes all about this crazy electronic reveal that has nothing
• 40:05
  to do with that, what they wrote, that they physically wrote something.
• 40:08
  Anyway, you know, if I could speak to one of my boldest things that I do,
• 40:12
  that I love doing, and I was reminded because I was complimented by my hero,
• 40:17
  James Brown, who saw a clip of this being done.
• 40:21
  And he was complimenting which is his card in the box routine,
• 40:25
  and he was what i did was i i there's a portion of the routine in which you
• 40:29
  put the entire deck under the box and you make like it's like a one card goes
• 40:33
  into the seemingly deck you snap,
• 40:35
  one card remains the entire pack reappears and what i do in that effect is i
• 40:39
  try put that on top of something,
• 40:42
  because the reaction just triples or sometimes quadruples in reaction,
• 40:46
  i aim to put the empty box and the entire deck,
• 40:51
  on top like this onto someone's drink that is my favorite thing to do don't
• 40:55
  have to be their drink could be just be a empty glass you're just going to be
• 40:57
  on top of something i'll put on top of a lamp sometimes i'll put on top of anything
• 41:02
  as long as it's elevated and it's like how did i get there,
• 41:05
  staggering it really adds up to that and so.
• 41:08
  In the method is you just do it bro like that's it but one of the things that i do well is,
• 41:14
  is the framing of it and drawing the attention when i drawing the attention
• 41:17
  it's like i don't say misdirection i say directing the attention i think that's
• 41:22
  the important bit when it comes to framing,
• 41:25
  I've done this most recently to a guy who was such a dick, I want to say firstly, right?
• 41:32
  But I was treating him with love and he was just testing me because most guys
• 41:36
  have that ego in which I need to prove myself to them. And I respect that.
• 41:39
  He's paid for the privilege in the same breath, but he was holding his wine.
• 41:44
  He was holding his wine. And I made the deck appear on the glass while he was holding his wine. Damn.
• 41:54
  And he looked at that. When I did that and I go like, no, that's the deck that
• 41:58
  goes, oh no, it's in your pocket. I go, dude, it's on your wine.
• 42:00
  And he looked at his wine glass and he just cussed me out because he'd never
• 42:04
  been first in his life. It was like, F you, dude.
• 42:07
  And he's a grown man, probably 60 or 70 years old, wearing a thousand,
• 42:12
  thousands of thousands of dollars suit. Like his tie was probably a grand alone.
• 42:15
  His wristwatch was at least 25K. That Rolex was beautiful.
• 42:18
  Yeah. But that was his reaction. And that's when he just went,
• 42:21
  you're amazing. Give me your card. And I was like, booyah. So that is bold AF.
• 42:29
  You know what? I'm going to share this with the audience. This happened by organic
• 42:34
  chance like two weeks ago.
• 42:37
  And since it's happened, it's how I do my routine now.
• 42:41
  So when I'm loathing, yeah. And this is something I actually kind of,
• 42:46
  I remember seeing Eric Leclerc teach this in a different way in his Murphy's lecture back in the day.
• 42:54
  And it's the idea of like of the card to pocket routine where you,
• 42:59
  the card keeps jumping to the pocket and then the whole deck ends up going to the pocket.
• 43:03
  And for me, I particularly love doing their Etienne Pradier version that he
• 43:08
  teaches in his penguin live lecture, which is just so commercial and so magic.
• 43:15
  The idea that he uses a top palm as a vanish, so he's like, look,
• 43:18
  I put your sign card on top, and look, it'll go back in the deck,
• 43:21
  you'll see it go back, and everyone's like, oh my god, I just saw it go back
• 43:24
  in the deck, and now you can reach and pull it out of your pocket, such good stuff.
• 43:29
  Anyway, normally that routine ends with the whole deck coming out of my pocket,
• 43:35
  but it just so happens that there's a moment in the routine where you make a
• 43:40
  joke about the card being somewhere else, like in their pocket or whatever.
• 43:45
  So that they, it gives you a bit more misdirection to shove the whole deck in your pocket.
• 43:49
  But the guy was like, that would be so impressive if it was in my jacket pocket.
• 43:56
  And in my head, I was like, oh, shit, why don't I just try shoving the whole deck in his pocket?
• 44:03
  So I'm like, no, no, I couldn't do that. Well, if I could do it,
• 44:06
  it would look like this. And I reach into his pocket, his inside jacket pocket,
• 44:11
  and I dump the whole deck, but I pull out the signed card, because that's what
• 44:15
  creates the misdirection.
• 44:16
  And it did get a reaction enough that it warranted me doing that.
• 44:21
  Like, of course, they thought I somehow magically made it produce from his pocket,
• 44:26
  but it was enough that it was an effect. It wasn't like, ah,
• 44:28
  yeah, you palmed it or whatever.
• 44:30
  They were like, oh, wow, that was so quick. How did you do that?
• 44:33
  But then I'm like, but look, if I was really magic, I would do this without
• 44:37
  going anywhere near you.
• 44:38
  And then I went bang, made the whole, you know, just their card stays.
• 44:42
  And I'm like, and now I'm at the point that normally we make a joke,
• 44:46
  right? And we go, now imagine the whole deck reappears in your bag or in your
• 44:50
  pocket, except this time it fucking actually was.
• 44:54
  So they're like, yeah, yeah, that
• 44:55
  would be crazy. And then he feels his jacket and he's like, oh my God.
• 44:59
  And then he pulls out this whole deck out of his pocket and people lose their mind.
• 45:03
  And now I'm like, how come for 10 fucking years, I've thought this routine was
• 45:10
  at its completeness and couldn't be made better.
• 45:13
  And now I've just found a way that's way more fun and better that I've just
• 45:17
  happened by accident from them kind of challenging me.
• 45:21
  And now it's the new way I do it. So now it's like 51 cards to their pocket,
• 45:25
  and it's, I couldn't recommend it any higher.
• 45:29
  Like I've done versions of it at theater of magic in their back pocket and stuff.
• 45:33
  And I have videos already, but in their inner jacket pocket,
• 45:36
  they can't feel it. It's so good. But that is genius, dude. Cause I've only
• 45:41
  ever done that with like a, with a double where you show their car,
• 45:45
  you go, I'm like, I'm putting this into your pocket.
• 45:47
  Right. And then you take out the, like, you know, so the one behind it,
• 45:52
  obviously. So you put a dupe in there, right. And you take it out and they can
• 45:55
  see it go, watch close. It goes here.
• 45:57
  And now it's back in your pocket. And they're like, no. And that's,
• 46:00
  I've never thought to do it where like with the whole deck or anything like
• 46:03
  that. That's great. You got to try it, man. Try it when you're a robot tonight and then let me know.
• 46:10
  I don't want to touch people because I'm covered in paint. Even on my hands,
• 46:12
  dude, they paint me white. Yeah, true. I hate it. And then I got to get in my car.
• 46:18
  And then what happens is when I'm driving, my head, my headrest touches.
• 46:21
  And then I get like a big white spot in the back of my leathers.
• 46:24
  You know, that's why I have a leather seat.
• 46:26
  Not to flex, but the Tesla has leather pink. Can I ask you a question,
• 46:30
  does your Tesla in Australia self-drive?
• 46:34
  There is, well, yeah, mine's like an auto drive thing. Like you can pay for the privilege.
• 46:41
  I'm kind of upset. The original self-drive was 10 grand, which I wish I kind
• 46:45
  of did before they changed it.
• 46:47
  Now they've changed it to a subscription service. It's 300 bucks a month.
• 46:51
  Okay. So it's an add-on if you want that feature.
• 46:55
  That's how Tesla's work. Yeah. I did have it. Like when I first bought the car,
• 46:58
  you get it for 30 days for free, which was amazing because I was doing a drive
• 47:02
  to a place called Yachuca, which is a four hour drive.
• 47:05
  And I just had to go bling, bling. And the car fully drove itself there. Like bully.
• 47:11
  Yeah. Like, I mean, you got to like keep your hand on the wheel and stuff like
• 47:13
  that. There's, you can't like take a nap or anything, but it fully drove all
• 47:18
  the way through slowing down for corners, like getting on and off the freeway,
• 47:22
  changing lanes, did all of that.
• 47:24
  So yeah, but there's a level of it that that's for me enough.
• 47:28
  So I could just like, you hit the stalk twice and then it just fully drives
• 47:31
  itself. It'll slow down for traffic. It'll sense the cars in front of you.
• 47:35
  I have it on all the time. And it stops me from speeding as well.
• 47:37
  Like it just keeps the speed limit to everything it's supposed to be.
• 47:40
  It's detected animals running out, you know, long before I even saw them and
• 47:44
  slowed the car down. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's, I love doing long
• 47:48
  trips in the car for that reason, because you can literally just go take the
• 47:51
  wheel for a sec. I'm going to enjoy this view.
• 47:53
  And you can just look at the site, you know, and while it's detecting animals,
• 47:57
  damn you name it like it's real handy yeah i mean i hear the stats it's like,
• 48:01
  eight times safer than humans driving yeah.
• 48:07
  You know yeah it's it's it's real good i'm pretty stoked on that
• 48:11
  because i wondered because in the u.s you hear people talking about how it self-drives
• 48:16
  and stuff but it i was wondering if it's like an unwritten rule that you don't
• 48:19
  talk about it in australia
• 48:21
  that like it can self-drive, but we don't want to promote that cars can do that
• 48:27
  already. I don't know. But I guess...
• 48:29
  I've just never asked a Tesla driver, but it can in Australia.
• 48:33
  So that's good. I've never really.
• 48:36
  Yeah. Look, I had it for a while. I really enjoy it. I can recommend.
• 48:39
  I mean, my Toyota kind of did the same thing, but not to that effect. Like that is crazy.
• 48:44
  Yeah. Like I can go full hands off. Like it has like this lane departure thing
• 48:47
  that keeps you in check, which is great. But like the Tesla is just,
• 48:51
  yeah. I mean, you can't like do your hands and have a nap because there's a
• 48:54
  camera that watches you.
• 48:55
  So it knows you're tinkering. Yeah. and and if you do that it'll give you a
• 48:59
  strike and then after like x amount of strikes it's like no more self-drive
• 49:03
  for you dick and you're like ah and you gotta like yeah you get a strike and
• 49:07
  it's like there's a whole there's all these legalities to make sure that you're
• 49:10
  yeah but what about what about that um,
• 49:13
  i'm gonna tread lightly here genre of videos where people are,
• 49:18
  doing sporting activities while they're driving yeah i don't know i've never
• 49:22
  really given that me neither i've
• 49:25
  never seen them either but i'm just you know you know what i mean yeah.
• 49:30
  Yeah i think that's a thing i do not know anyway,
• 49:34
  i just yeah tesla i'm sold on it and and also my my fiance she has her license
• 49:40
  but is a nervous driver like to to try and venture out somewhere long distance
• 49:44
  but like the idea that she could just get in a tesla and it drive her wherever she wants,
• 49:50
  Sign me up, baby!
• 49:55
  Anyway back to magic yeah my dream someday is that like i get home from the
• 50:00
  airport and the car comes to pick me up that's the dream like that is the dude
• 50:05
  oh my oh my word yes and that doesn't seem that far-fetched,
• 50:10
  yeah it's i mean there's nothing else about it like i gotta park it you know
• 50:15
  somewhere it's like 150 bucks for over the weekend will i fly somewhere to do
• 50:19
  a thing overnight and come back whatever it might be depending where i park it
• 50:23
  i don't want to park it where like i get back i wait for the bus the bus takes
• 50:27
  me to a thing it's a six minute drive i go to another thing i wait for them
• 50:30
  to bring my car out i'm like no i just want to get off get my car go to the
• 50:33
  next gig or go home wherever i need to go
• 50:36
  but i think that that for me is the dream that i get to
• 50:39
  get to do that like where it's just like my car is rolled up and i'm like yes,
• 50:44
  i mean thomas congo saying it like yeah that's just like a waymo right which
• 50:48
  does exist a selfless a driverless car and so,
• 50:53
  yeah i mean i think they were taught i mean all.
• 50:55
  Right we'll stop get talking about this on a magic podcast in a second but it's just so fascinating,
• 51:01
  you know magicians and technology we you know are a fiend for it but like,
• 51:05
  didn't they say like eventually they see cars being a thing that you don't own
• 51:11
  but you have a subscription to so So you're going to drive somewhere,
• 51:15
  so you press the button and your car turns up and you go to where you need to
• 51:18
  go and then it goes off and it does its own thing.
• 51:20
  Or you'll own a car, but you'll put it out into the pool of earning you money
• 51:25
  doing Waymo rides for people.
• 51:27
  So once you get to work, instead of parking it at work, it goes off and earns
• 51:32
  you money doing rides for people and then comes and picks you back up at 5 p.m. and you drive home.
• 51:37
  Like that, that's like a futuristic approach that they're saying is like pretty plausible.
• 51:43
  Yeah, it's crazy because even our government's saying that they were going to
• 51:47
  tax people having spare bedrooms in your house because we have a housing crisis.
• 51:51
  And so if you were someone who raised three children in your house and they're
• 51:54
  all grownups, they want to tax you for having three spare bedrooms now. Oh, okay.
• 51:59
  Let people live in there. Go yourself. Moving on. Anyway, double lifts.
• 52:03
  Double lifts will always fool people.
• 52:06
  I remember the first time I saw a double lift. I thought that was the best thing I'd ever seen.
• 52:10
  And all I did was he did a double lift and just flicked the card with his second
• 52:14
  finger and then showed it. That blew my mind.
• 52:16
  But I think what's coming down to is these cheeky methods is that there is a
• 52:19
  level of confidence and method, which makes me think. Confidence versus method.
• 52:27
  I built my career on doing confidence moves like they're very bold moves require
• 52:33
  confidence and that's what i did and i did it because,
• 52:37
  i was so early in my career that i was like i caught you i'm like what do you
• 52:40
  want i've only been doing magic for six months give me a break and because of that mindset,
• 52:46
  i just had all the confidence to do stuff before i did it and a part of me was also like,
• 52:51
  bro like i've done i've done this like i've gone mountain bike i've done whatever
• 52:55
  like this can't be as hard as like i always do this like confidence comparison
• 52:58
  to talk myself into doing things if that makes sense so yeah this is something to consider where,
• 53:06
  one gets caught constantly doing something and one gets never gets caught what's
• 53:11
  the difference doing these bold moves is it the confidence is it his timing
• 53:14
  body language the way they speak,
• 53:17
  the ability to read the audience or all the above?
• 53:21
  Yeah, I think it's all the above. I think it's how cool, calm,
• 53:25
  and collected they are while doing it, right?
• 53:28
  I just heard Darren Brown talk about the idea that within five seconds of someone walking out,
• 53:35
  you can get a pretty good gauge on if you feel like we're going to be looked
• 53:40
  after during, like, if we're in safe hands with this guy, or do we have to worry
• 53:44
  that he's going to stuff up and nervous energy?
• 53:47
  Yeah, if people know that you know your shit, then they're relaxed.
• 53:51
  And you and and i think that's when the magic happens but that's such a good
• 53:55
  point i was reminded of a conversation that a lady said that what she enjoyed
• 53:59
  about my performance the most is that she loves to get involved in magic shows
• 54:03
  but she's so fearful that she's going to ruin the trick and she didn't have.
• 54:08
  That experience when we were performing with each other and i thought that that
• 54:11
  stuck with me ever since and it was nice to be reminded of that it's so true
• 54:15
  man yeah yeah and because every now and again,
• 54:19
  sorry i was just going to say that like one of the things that gareth thomas
• 54:21
  says is that when people heckle they're not doing it to be rude they actually think they're helping,
• 54:25
  and a lot of the times when you're performing they don't like do this do that
• 54:29
  no no do this i go buddy whatever your thinking is so simple compared to what i can do let me cook,
• 54:35
  let me cook all right that's it's my new thing now i'm like shut up and let
• 54:39
  me cook is a polite way of saying let me cook and if you don't like the meal
• 54:43
  then you can order then i'll take your order right and then i let them and then
• 54:47
  and they go all right because let me and they go let me cook let me cook,
• 54:51
  and then i do it and they go that was amazing yeah it's way better than anything
• 54:54
  you could think of dick wad you know,
• 54:57
  I've only been doing this for 18 years and you've seen, oh, I saw YouTube is,
• 55:00
  oh, you're a freaking expert now for watching YouTube. I get angry at audiences a lot.
• 55:08
  And that should be Nick's t-shirt. 2026 Nick K. I get angry at audiences a lot. A lot. A lot.
• 55:18
  I think you got to educate an audience. I think a lot of people who live on their socials,
• 55:23
  keyboard warriors, especially IT people, which I've been entertaining a lot
• 55:26
  at the moment so it's this type of thing was like you guys work in it huh and
• 55:30
  this is my favorite line you guys work in it huh they go yeah we do i go yeah
• 55:34
  i can tell because y'all are talking to me like you're behind your keyboards
• 55:36
  right now but i can headbutt you.
• 55:42
  Wow and then they'll just go oh oh shit i'm like yeah i could hurt you real
• 55:46
  bad dude this is the one time they've gone out in a social setting and you're
• 55:51
  already making them fearful you're fucking your box like hey Wilder Warcraft.
• 55:58
  You know, talking about educating your audience,
• 56:02
  this week I literally started a new premise of Rubik's Cube routining,
• 56:08
  which is I start, and I just did this at both shows at Theatre of Magic,
• 56:12
  and I start the routine by saying,
• 56:15
  I'm here to clear up the misinformation going around about Rubik's Cubes and
• 56:20
  these, I don't swear, but in these fucking viral videos that say if you do the
• 56:24
  same three moves over and over, it will solve the cube.
• 56:28
  And then I go, who here has seen this video? 75% of the audience put their hands up.
• 56:34
  And I'm like, yeah. And so the idea being, hey, I'm here to show you how much,
• 56:40
  like how cool these actually are. And it's not.
• 56:43
  So I go, yeah, I'm here to stop this misinformation of this viral video.
• 56:49
  Who's seen it? Most people go, they've seen it. I go, who's tried it?
• 56:53
  Four people put their hand up and did it work? And they go, no.
• 56:56
  And I'm like, no, exactly.
• 56:58
  But what it does is it stops the curiosity of you even trying because you think
• 57:03
  you know how it works. So you don't even try now.
• 57:05
  And we're losing the amount of people that try to solve cubes now.
• 57:08
  And that's like the in. So I'm like, so first, let me show you how one is actually solved.
• 57:12
  And I go through the whole process of really solving one.
• 57:16
  And then I go. And now that you know how that works, let's have some fun.
• 57:21
  And then I go into some magic solves.
• 57:22
  I just did it for the first time on the weekend.
• 57:25
  And just the amount of times that people will come up to me and say oh yeah
• 57:30
  i know how i know that thing of if you do the same three moves it'll solve it
• 57:33
  you know i've i've just had people say that too many times that i'm like they
• 57:36
  really believe this and then i've also had people say you know,
• 57:41
  you're you're using a gimmick rubik's cube right because it looks too miraculous
• 57:44
  so i'm like how do i overcome those two things,
• 57:48
  in the show so i started with pre-show someone has the cube the whole time mixing
• 57:53
  it up and checking it blah blah blah.
• 57:55
  I bring in this premise and then I solve it in front of them and then we move on.
• 57:59
  And it does seem to be getting a more heightened reaction, but I haven't like
• 58:05
  refined it to a great script yet, but it is in the works and it is fun.
• 58:11
  But again, thank you for listening to my TED talk, but it has been fun to play with.
• 58:18
  Oh man. Lately. That's crazy. I wrote six segments for this episode. So over the last.
• 58:29
  We didn't even get to the bottom of the third so that was fun that was really fun you know,
• 58:34
  the whole segment on like how they remember tricks and the premise was never
• 58:38
  like performed a trick and then literally minutes later or maybe like the next
• 58:43
  year or month they might see the guy i remember man i had the box,
• 58:47
  i opened it it was empty i closed it and i was holding it man and then i opened
• 58:51
  it again and then the whole deck was in there and you're like i would love to
• 58:55
  see that trick dude because i i sure as shit can't do that so there is.
• 59:02
  All those all those moments some of the folks are saying next week that's a
• 59:07
  good idea but we actually have we we should have a great interview lined up
• 59:12
  for next week right josh just confirming,
• 59:15
  He's checking. Yes, we do. We are checking. Why? Yes, we do,
• 59:18
  my friend. We are checking. That's a Ferrari joke if anyone picks that up.
• 59:23
  By the way, the F1 movie, I watched it for the first time only two weeks ago.
• 59:28
  It is so much better than I envisioned it was going to be. I thought it was
• 59:31
  just going to be a movie about cars.
• 59:34
  But my God, is it a great movie. Formula One rules. That's why.
• 59:38
  Every other sport by comparison is just.
• 59:41
  Yeah. You want to watch something that can die. that's a sport,
• 59:45
  yes and i i recently watched podcast interview of toto wolf,
• 59:51
  the the manager of ferrari or mercedes i mean i think mercedes and his wife
• 59:56
  susie wolf and just like listening to them talk about their craft of this world
• 1:00:01
  is so great it's made me so listening to them made me,
• 1:00:06
  really love them as people but then it convinced me to watch the movie because
• 1:00:11
  of how highly they talk about the precision and then watching the movie i'm
• 1:00:15
  like oh shit okay maybe i would go and watch a race and actually like.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah man understand it a bit more to appreciate it dude it's so good i mean
• 1:00:24
  even lewis hamilton consulted on that where he was like watching the movie and
• 1:00:28
  he was listening to it going like
• 1:00:30
  yo the car's in the wrong gear that corner is gear four and that's like that's
• 1:00:33
  that's gear five that you're in in the audio and it'd be like yeah
• 1:00:36
  yeah yeah exactly because apparently
• 1:00:39
  they were in f2 cars but they had to make it sound like an f1 car,
• 1:00:44
  and so they had to keep checking right that yeah,
• 1:00:47
  and apparently like in some tracks they're like nah at this part of the track
• 1:00:52
  you would hear an echo from the wall when you're going past of the so there
• 1:00:56
  needs to be a more of a reverb of the engine like that stuff's cool man.
• 1:01:02
  That's cool that's the kind of stuff we would think about in magic i think without
• 1:01:05
  stuff totally dude i totally picked that up yeah f1 drivers are just like super
• 1:01:09
  humans they really are like they are amazing but,
• 1:01:13
  we've talked about so much magic and not magic this episode this was interesting
• 1:01:17
  yeah i think i think this is 40 magic and 60,
• 1:01:22
  tesla and,
• 1:01:24
  and anger and movies well join us next week we'll have an amazing interview
• 1:01:30
  where we talk about not only magic but stomach acid and foot fungus and nose hair trimmers,
• 1:01:38
  and you know what one day you should do the pod as the android like try and
• 1:01:43
  line it up where you have a gig,
• 1:01:45
  like you haven't you're you're an android tonight right tonight you you could
• 1:01:49
  have sat through the whole day surely.
• 1:01:54
  But by the way by the way what an image it would be and what it must be to see,
• 1:02:02
  people watching a tesla drive past and then the window comes down and you're
• 1:02:06
  fucking the android looking at them.
• 1:02:10
  That's so funny. I'll just turn and I'll give them like a really awkward wave
• 1:02:14
  and then go back and just...
• 1:02:16
  Dude, that would be the greatest. I would do that just because that would be hilarious.
• 1:02:24
  All right. Anyway, we're going to go now. I'll get going. But if you guys want
• 1:02:27
  to scope out the progression of myself becoming this Android character,
• 1:02:32
  you can scope out my Instagram, nickkmagic on Instagram.
• 1:02:36
  I'll put it up in my stories. You guys can scope it out and see how ridiculous,
• 1:02:40
  this whole process is. Yes.
• 1:02:42
  Yeah, because it's a long time.
• 1:02:45
  We're going to go do a whole bunch of gigs now and then come back and talk about
• 1:02:50
  it. I'm going to learn how to speak and then I'm going to do a bunch of gigs,
• 1:02:53
  and we're going to come back and talk about it next week with a great guest.
• 1:02:56
  Until then, peace.
• 1:03:00
  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
• 1:03:05
  But we'll see you again on the next episode.