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Patriots Catch-22 11/12: 3 Up/Down vs. Bucs, AFC East Picture, Jets Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Blazarre and Lazar O.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our bar gap.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.
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  Speaker 2: I'll keep saying it to deep man coverage.
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  Speaker 1: When you throw.
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  Speaker 2: Slants, you throw crossing routes, you throw digs, you throw
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  Speaker 2: stuff into the middle of the field. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: not willing to throw those routes and you're only gonna
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  Speaker 2: throw outs and corners and verticals and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: that's into the leverage of the man coverage defender, So
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  Speaker 2: you're throwing it right into the defense. I have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more faith in Baker Mayfield too. Layer throws
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  Speaker 2: into the middle of the field if they're open, because
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  Speaker 2: he's a more experience and a better quarterback than Michael Pennock.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still not an offense that really lives in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Not totally wrong, They're not
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  Speaker 2: totally wrong. I'll take it. Not totally wrong. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that that's kind of how this game played out in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways. Defensively. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: it over the next couple of hours. Here on Patriots
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  Speaker 2: Catch twenty three. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Alex behind the Glass.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to say before we really get rolling here.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's in there, behind there somewhere. Happy Belated
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  Speaker 2: Veterans Day to all the troops, all those who served,
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  Speaker 2: all those who are serving right now. To Marine, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for your service. And Happy Veterans Day. Belated to
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  Speaker 2: all you guys, and especially to our veteran over there
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  Speaker 2: behind the glass and Marine, one of our favorites. So
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  Speaker 2: Happy Veterans Day, Marine, hoorah. I hope you're feeling a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more yourself today. I know a little hungover
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  Speaker 2: yesterday for the Marine, which is totally fair. But anyways,
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  Speaker 2: getting into football, I I'm not superstitious, Alex, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little stiti and so I'm not going to come
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  Speaker 2: on here today and start talking for just talking about
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  Speaker 2: this just off the air a little bit. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to come on here today and start talking about
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowls and contenders and all this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that because I'm a little stitious.
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  Speaker 2: All Right. The Patriots are rolling. They look like they're
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  Speaker 2: a team to be reckoned with in the AFC Drake
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  Speaker 2: may looks like an MVP caliber quarterback. I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 2: am in I'm drinking the kool aid. But I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to go as far to say that I'm not
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  Speaker 2: making any plans because I'm planning to be in Santa
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  Speaker 2: Clara during Super Bowl Week. I'm not going there yet,
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  Speaker 2: but it's really exciting to see what they're doing. And
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  Speaker 2: I think the number one thing just from a big picture,
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  Speaker 2: because we usually start big picture and then we'll go
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  Speaker 2: a little pitic sure starting big picture, the number one
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  Speaker 2: thing to me is just this vibe that is around
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  Speaker 2: this team right now. This is the most what's the
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  Speaker 2: word like? The vibe around this team right now is
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  Speaker 2: the best I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Vibes are It's the best.
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  Speaker 2: I've ever seen since we started covering the team in eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: So we covered the team when they were winning. I
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of people think, well, they're winning, Dug right,
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  Speaker 2: the vibes are great. Twenty eighteen, we covered a Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl winning team and the vibes were not like this.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, they were eight nine to oh to begin
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  Speaker 2: that season, and the vibes are not like this. Twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one They also won seven games in a row
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  Speaker 2: with Mac Jones at quarterback in his rookie year. And
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  Speaker 2: the vibes are not this good. I give a ton
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  Speaker 2: of credit to Mike Rabel. I give a ton of
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  Speaker 2: credit to the leadership and the captains and the leadership
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  Speaker 2: committee on this team. They are bought in, They are focused.
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  Speaker 2: They enjoy and celebrate each other's success. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: if they're catching one pass or they're catching ten. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they're the one getting the sack or
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  Speaker 2: they're helping another guy get a sack or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it. They are. They're playing for each
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  Speaker 2: other right now. And the vibes are immaculate. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that that's a testament to all the things that
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned with Raybel and this whole thing. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a big vibes guy, like that's not my thing usually, Nope,
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  Speaker 2: But listening to some of the stories that are starting
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  Speaker 2: to come out yesterday at the press conferences, you know,
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  Speaker 2: players wanting to attend meetings like meetings for football is
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  Speaker 2: a lot like school was as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: Meetings for football are a lot like meetings.
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  Speaker 2: Further, no, it's different. It's not like more like school,
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  Speaker 2: because like he stands up at the front of the
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  Speaker 2: room and is like lecturing them on things like when
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  Speaker 2: they do squad meetings, like it's literally in the auditorium
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  Speaker 2: that we are in.
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  Speaker 1: You've never been in a work meeting and it's somebody
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  Speaker 1: like explaining no, no, all right. We have different meetings.
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  Speaker 2: I think work meetings are more collaborative, like where like
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  Speaker 2: sometimes a lot of people talk.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in work meetings where it's like one or
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  Speaker 1: two people.
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  Speaker 2: This is like, this is their auditorium is literally like
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  Speaker 2: a college lecture hall, and they and he stands up
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  Speaker 2: there and he said to us yesterday and when I
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  Speaker 2: say he, I mean Mike Rabel. Mike Rabel said that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to cut a Thursday meeting short by twenty
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  Speaker 2: five minutes to give everybody twenty five more minutes of
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  Speaker 2: sleep before they had to be here at the facility,
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  Speaker 2: and the veterans and the leaders on the team said, no, thanks,
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  Speaker 2: we want the meeting. He then said that Drake May
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  Speaker 2: said yesterday it was freezing here in Foxborough's in the
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  Speaker 2: thirties yesterday. Winter is here, folks, And he said that
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  Speaker 2: Drake May said that Mike Rabel offered to move practice
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  Speaker 2: inside because it was so cold, and the players said, no,
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  Speaker 2: we need to get used to playing in the elements.
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  Speaker 2: We want to be outside and practice outside. Like those
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  Speaker 2: little types of things are what you start to hear
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  Speaker 2: when things are are going in a really good direction.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the best vibes I've been around since I
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  Speaker 2: started covering this team.
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  Speaker 1: It a'st that in a spreadsheet you just have just
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  Speaker 1: I know, I was debating whether or not just say,
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  Speaker 1: look going back to January when we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the coach, and that's the kind that that thing does matter.
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  Speaker 1: I know some people like to think it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It matters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you also need to know what you're doing on
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  Speaker 1: the football field and put together a game plan and
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  Speaker 1: make adjustments and all that. But there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: coaches that are good football minds. It's the ones that
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  Speaker 1: are also leaders of men that can make a big difference.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's not just Rabel, that's the entire staff
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  Speaker 1: and the veteran leadership on this team. That stuff matters.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff makes a difference if you ultimately want to
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  Speaker 1: get to the top, not towards the top, to the
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  Speaker 1: top and I'm not saying they're gonna get there this year,
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  Speaker 1: just off that. You can't have a bunch of feel
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  Speaker 1: good you know, if you're not playing well either, you
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  Speaker 1: got to play well at all. One thing feeds into
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  Speaker 1: the other. But it's this is why me and I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of other people were so staunchly in
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  Speaker 1: favor of them hiring Mike Rabel this offseason as both
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  Speaker 1: some of the other options, not just it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he's done a good job when you look at
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  Speaker 1: what they did with the roster construction all that. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: they crushed that, but he's all somebody that can build
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  Speaker 1: a football team and can create a culture, because you
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  Speaker 1: know what happens when you start ingraining that sort of
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  Speaker 1: sense or responsibility and that sort of sense and team,
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  Speaker 1: it becomes sustainable. And even if it's not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna make roster moves year over year, but you
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  Speaker 1: have that core, you have that leadership that this franchise
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  Speaker 1: has lacked for the last four to five years. That's
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  Speaker 1: going to pass that torch on and on and on,
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  Speaker 1: and now that becomes the level and that becomes the expectation,
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  Speaker 1: and you need that because it's not always going to
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  Speaker 1: be easy, and you need people who are and want
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  Speaker 1: to fight through it. So this is why Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 1: is the guy. This is I mean, he's part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason I shouldn't say sorry. This is part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason Mike Grabel is the guy because he can
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  Speaker 1: establish this and I think it's important.
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  Speaker 2: Might just be there here, It might it might just
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  Speaker 2: have that kind of juju. And I give him. I
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  Speaker 2: give him credit because that's like you're kind of laying
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  Speaker 2: out like that's self created. That doesn't just come at it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easy. Not everybody can just walk into an
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  Speaker 1: NFL locker room and it's the NFL. It's not college
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  Speaker 1: where they're kids and they're all looking up to you.
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  Speaker 1: These are you know, guys that have been professionals for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, make a lot of money. It's not
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  Speaker 1: easy to walk into that locker room and command respect
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  Speaker 1: like that and set the tone like that, especially this quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's in alpha he is an alpha male. Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rabel is an alpha male personality.
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  Speaker 1: And he he can back it up like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's freaking huge. Of course he can back.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not just that he's huge, Oh no, it's
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  Speaker 1: part of it, it's part of it. But I think
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  Speaker 1: there's an element of I don't know how much you
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  Speaker 1: want to get into, like leadership philosophy. I think any
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  Speaker 1: good leader, right, if you're gonna lead whatever, if you're
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  Speaker 1: a leader at work, if you're a leader in your
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  Speaker 1: foot whatever, Right, a good leader doesn't ask people to
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  Speaker 1: do things that that he or she would not do.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think about that because like Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 2: never played professional football, but Bill Belichick, this is a
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  Speaker 2: great was a great leader.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he but but I mean that at a
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  Speaker 1: macro like Bill Belichick's obviously not going to go in
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  Speaker 1: there during practice and set the edge on an outside zone.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, hey, we want you guys to come
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  Speaker 1: in here an hour early. We want like, we want
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  Speaker 1: you guys to you know, we're gonna be out in
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  Speaker 1: the cold, We're gonna do this, We're gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: run extra today. He's out there running with the team.
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  Speaker 1: He's in here before everybody else like that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's not He's set in the tone from the front,
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  Speaker 1: not from the back. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he absolutely is.
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  Speaker 1: And you know when he talks about being selfless, I
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  Speaker 1: think he's done a lot of things in this that
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  Speaker 1: have been selfless and and he's you know that's being
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  Speaker 1: passed forward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's look, it's all of it is true.
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  Speaker 2: All of the flowers that they're getting, all of the
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  Speaker 2: flowers that Mike Rabel is getting, are all warranted because
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  Speaker 2: we were covering this team over the last two to
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  Speaker 2: three years, and we were in some not so great
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  Speaker 2: locker rooms, like you know, guys that obviously we're losing,
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  Speaker 2: and you know things that we were not good about
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  Speaker 2: the culture around here. And Mike Rabel and really, what
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  Speaker 2: ten months on the job, not even a full year
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  Speaker 2: yet on the job, has done a complete one eight
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  Speaker 2: on that. Now. I want to get into the football
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  Speaker 2: because that's the most important part. But the football element
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  Speaker 2: of it, let's start with the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do are we going to Tampa now? Or
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  Speaker 1: is this still big picture? I don't know, combination okay,
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  Speaker 1: because we I the other thing about like how you
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  Speaker 1: know how much longer is Mike Rabel's first year gonna last?
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  Speaker 1: That sort of thing. I know, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: get into that take, I don't know what you mean,
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  Speaker 1: like the playoff take and where they're at and are
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  Speaker 1: they because like, look, I said this on some shows
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  Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, like if they beat Tampa, it goes
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  Speaker 1: from you know, oh, they're gonna make the playoffs. That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: They had this turnaround to like, no, like you gotta
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  Speaker 1: take them seriously now in the AFC picture, Well, oh.
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  Speaker 2: You mean like in terms of like talking about the
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  Speaker 2: other teams in the conference and where Yeah, well no,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean it's we're week ten.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just to pick up on what we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about before, I made that sound more dramatic than I
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  Speaker 1: probably needed to. But like, I think part of this too,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because they beat that Bucks team, that Bucks
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  Speaker 1: seem is the real deal. I know they were a
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: little banged up. The Patriots are banged up too, Like
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  Speaker 1: that that Bucks team's the real deal. And I think
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  Speaker 1: part of it too is if they can beat a
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  Speaker 1: team like Tampa, and some of the feeds into the
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  Speaker 1: culture thing too, because I think there's an element of
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  Speaker 1: seeing the results like, Okay, this is why we put
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  Speaker 1: all that hard work in Tampa's if you're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: noise in the playoffs, Tampa's the kind of team you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna need a beat. And they went on the road
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  Speaker 1: and they did it. And you know, I look at
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  Speaker 1: it now, Evan, how many teams are there in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC that you can definitively say any any team any time, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the team, but anytime any place, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: beat the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that. I I think that any team,
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  Speaker 2: I hear what you're getting.
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  Speaker 1: At now, there's some I would like say that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying the Patriots are definitively better than some of
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  Speaker 1: these teams either, but it's you know, I maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: if they really started, was.
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  Speaker 2: Not ready to have this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think this is the week you have it,
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  Speaker 1: because they beat a really good team in Tampa.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I just it's we're still it's not even
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  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving yet, like and on top of that, I just
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: when I look at the AFC landscape, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: but I only fear about this, if we're going to
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  Speaker 2: go here, is that Kansas City, Buffalo, and Baltimore are
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  Speaker 2: probably going to be your three wild card teams in
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  Speaker 2: this picture, which means that even if you get.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that one of them, one of
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  Speaker 1: them is probably gonna get left out. The Chargers got
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  Speaker 1: off to such a hard, hot start.
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  Speaker 2: But the Okay, I mean, I guess you know three
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  Speaker 2: NFC AFC.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get three, two or three unless
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  Speaker 1: right now the Chiefs are out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But like they're the Chiefs will figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Like the chief the Chiefs are are.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna But if the Chiefs, Chargers, and Denver all
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  Speaker 1: make it and one of them is obviously the division winner, right,
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  Speaker 1: that leaves one of the bills of the Ravens out.
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  Speaker 2: Why you have the Colts in the South, you have
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots in the East, you have whoever wins the
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  Speaker 2: Steelers probably right, and then you have the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: So you're gonna have your three wildcard teams, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: somebody has to win the West. If the Chiefs and
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  Speaker 1: Chargers both make it, that's two wild cards. If the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs and Chargers, that's what I'm saying. If the Chiefs are.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: You think the Chargers starting seven and three aren't gonna
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  Speaker 1: make it.
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  Speaker 2: They might not. They're falling apart, their injuries are all.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a pretty wild slide. They gotta basically win.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, I don't know, I'm not. This conversation is
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  Speaker 2: like premature to.
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  Speaker 1: The point being like, I think coming away from this game,
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  Speaker 1: like that's the kind of team the Patriots who need
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  Speaker 1: to beat in the playoffs. And sure you go from
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  Speaker 1: all right, they won four games the last two years
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  Speaker 1: and now they're going to make the playoffs. That's great
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  Speaker 1: improvement to Like, I think the level of expectation steps
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit. And it's not to say super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: but like it twenty twenty one, and yeah, there were
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  Speaker 1: some bigger issues at play there, but twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: we all kind of felt like, oh sick, they're in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs and we knew they were gonna go up
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  Speaker 1: to the Buffalo and get thumped. Maybe not that badly, right,
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  Speaker 1: and they were also their entire starting defense at COVID.
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  Speaker 1: But like, I don't think this is that. I think
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  Speaker 1: we are now a step beyond oh fun, They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and it's like and and then what happens?
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  Speaker 1: Kind does that make sense? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: No, I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I just a wow. Charge schedule is stuff like that's
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  Speaker 1: the way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they just still have seven games left and
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: they're gonna win this game tomorrow night, so they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be nine and two. Yeah, but it just we'll get
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: to those permutations and who do you want and.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do that the byway. Yeah, we'll do that when
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  Speaker 1: time comes really quickly. Everybody's got it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm excited too.
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  Speaker 1: Because you talking about Dard's take.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like everybody is excited too, and
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  Speaker 2: I get it, like their super Bowl h that the
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: super Bowl is not a crazy outland just take anymore
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: right to say that they could go on a run
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  Speaker 2: here because they won seven straight games, like obviously, but
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: like right now, you know, let's just let's just enjoy
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the ride. Let's enjoy the ride once we get to January,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, once they are are really solidifying where
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be at and we can talk about playoff
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  Speaker 2: matchups and who would you rather face and all that
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  Speaker 2: good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but I do think there's an element of, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we get to do again. We did
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: this for twenty years. Patriots played Thursday night Sundays off.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: By the way, great great Sunday for your team not
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to be playing this this schedule, this is the most
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: excited I've been about an NFL slate in a while,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Like Broncos Chiefs, What which outcomes better for the Patriots?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: You know there there could be some debate there you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: want you won't stop. We did this, Why can't we
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: do this.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Because it's it's week eleven.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have to keep winning. Nobody saying the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Patriots don't have to.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But it's not even just about that. It's just like
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I like, I don't know what's going to happen with
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: the rest of these teams, Like I don't know.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So you get you how if the playoffs started today,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs wouldn't be in. Do you really think the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: No, let's say this is it's it's Look, I'm just
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: so glad we don't have to do this watching the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Titans and the Jets and hoping they win for I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: understand to do the flip side by the way Chargers
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the rest of their schedule. You might be honest on now,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I know there's seven and three, just I don't need
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: this Jaguars, I'm not actually in the playoffs. Chargers catch Jaguars.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you credit for being right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Oars.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Currently the playoffs, then the bye, then the Raiders, who suck? Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans, Broncos.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: That's tough. Yeah, that's tough.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: All right? Can we can we talk about real football
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: now and not talk about playoff seating in November twelfth?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Are we good?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It's going to be part of the conversation around this
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: team now. It's just like, you know, and it's annoying, like,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: can we just again we have fun looking at It's.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. Let's just
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: let's just play the schedule out and let's see what happens.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Like trying to sit here and say who would you
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: rather play in the playoffs?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: That's not what i'm saying. I don't know yet. I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: just saying because all these teams could change, like you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: any one of these teams could.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody's denying that. I'm saying, it's it's fun to watch
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that with the Patriots being in the mix and they're
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: being stakes in these other games about the Patriots that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: don't have to evolve draft position.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely have you seen.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: The schedule this week on Sunday? It's awesome.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I know I did not look at this.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's Bill's box.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Good game.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Vikings Bears could be a good game. Can we
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: talk about Jacks? Two playoff teams? Hang on, Holme's done,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: rams Seahawks. Huge game. Doesn't matter for the Patriots, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: huge game. They're both seven to two. That rules Broncos, Chiefs.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Gonna find out which one of those teams is for
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: real and Line's Eagles on Sunday night. That's a good slate.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'm done.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about Let's talk about the games that have
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: been played or they're going to play in the near future.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's do that. Let's talk about
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: this Bucks game a little bit. But I want to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: do the good, the bad, and the stuff that gets
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: you beat in real for real this week. I feel
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like some weeks we do it kind of half hazardly.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it kind of goes off the rails a little bit.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to stick to the to the script here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I want to start with Drake May and start with
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. I just there are three or four plays
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even call them just throws. I would call
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: them plays a game that Drake May makes that make
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: your jaw drop, that are just unbelievable, high level of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: difficulty plays. And it's every single week, like he does
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: it every week. Yeah, and it's unbelievable to watch. It's
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: so much fun to watch. And I'm not trying to say,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make these comparisons, but I do
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a different style at least in what
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: we saw with Tom Brady. Tom Brady was a efficient machine,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like he was a consistent, efficient, smart, accurate, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: a competitive clutch performer like that was what Brady was.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Drake May is a he is a heavyweight that stands
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the ring and just throws haymakers
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: like that's what he is. And he might not be
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: play to play. You know, he's not going to be
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: quite as consistent as Brady was. He's going to have,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you know, like early on in this game, he had
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of sprays in the rain early on. He's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: going to have some interceptions that in turnovers that you
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: don't love, like late in this game. But those three
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to four throws man like that is freaking unbelievable. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the seventy two yard er to Kyle Williams is one
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of the best throws that I've seen him make, and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I know that when you look at it, it's like
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a seventeen yard throw in the air, but it really
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't do it justice just putting it in terms of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: like how far down the field it was, or the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: situation of the game or anything like that. When you
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: watch that throw from the end zone angle and you
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: watch how he's pointed towards the middle of the field
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: where MATC Collins is and at the last second kind
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of decides, all right, the safety is coming down to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: jump MATC. Collins' route. So the one on ones actually
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to Kyle Williams on the backside crosser and he throws
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: with his momentum in his throwing hallway pointed at MATC.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Collins and he throws looking left. He throws right, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: like breaks like all sorts of rules of quarterback mechanics,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: takes a huge hit in the pocket and could not
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: have thrown the ball better, like just an absolutely perfectly
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: placed pass. You know you have that one.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You know, that throw reminded me of a little bit
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and I've said this on a couple other shows. Twenty
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: sixteen Bradi of Malcolm Mitchell in San Francis a little
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: bit like the way he kind of perfectly gets it
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: over the defender's shoulder in a way that not only
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: clears the defender but also perfectly sets the receiver up
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to run after the catch. The angle like the angle
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that throws, because that Malcolm Mitchell thro alway stood out
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to me. It's like the angle's weird. You watch it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: it's not entirely clear, like the first time you watch it, like, wait,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: what how did he get that in there? Where's he going?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: How did he run away? And then you see it
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: from that end zone angle and it explains a lot.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of that throw.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Uh the obviously the bomb to Hollands, you fifty six
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: yards in the air in terms of air distance on
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that throw, just an unbelievable throw. I've said this a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: couple of times, Like Zion McCollum, I don't think that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he had horrible coverage on the play. I don't think
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: there was no chance. He thought there was no chance
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that ball was going over his head. Like and if
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: you're a cornerback in the NFL. You know, you're he's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: in his pedal, like he's backpedaling, back pedaling. He's looking
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: up at the ball and he's like this thing is
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: still going, like how far? Like he runs like thirty
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: yards back in a dead sprint with Mac Collins, and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the ball just kept going. And at some point, you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: as a corner like you're gonna end up not being
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: able to drop fast enough. And he basically, Drake May
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: his ability to just outthrow the coverage is a rare trade.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Like that type of arm strength is is big rare,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Like you don't see that in the league very often,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that you just flat out outthrow NFL coverage like that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily happened very often. The other throws, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: obviously the fifteen yard of the Hollins, I don't think
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that you really draw it up to have the quarterback
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: holding the ball above his head with two hands on it,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, rip through a tackler that's trying
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to sack him in the backfield. I think it was
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Vita Vea, but he did it. He does it every
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: single week, staring down the blitz and throwing to pob
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Douglas on that twenty six yard play was one of
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: my favorite plays of the game, just because of the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: way it unfolded with the blitz coming right through the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: middle of the field. Levante David just comes right through
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: center and he's just staring it down and just makes
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a throw on time in rhythm onto our target. Probably
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: should have been a touchdown. Bob Douglas got tripped up
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: by the dropping end, which you know, I thought was
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you know, really could have been a touchdown. And then
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the fourth down throw to Digs on the touchdown, I mean,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a hard throw to make, that's not
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a high percentage that Yeah, all of these things, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you just see consistently with Drake May every single week
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: is incredible quarterback play. And I understand that he has
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: there are some and we'll get to him, like there
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: are some things in this game that he did that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: was not so good, especially the interception, But they don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: win these games without these big time plays that Drake
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: May is making. And that to me, if you want
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to talk about future and you want to talk about this,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I think, to me, the argument right now for Drake
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: May being the NFL as MVP is that he's doing
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: these things on a weekly basis where you can encapsulate
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: him putting the team on his back. And he's doing
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it throwing no offense, but not throwing to Jackson Smith
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and Jigba or Puka Nakua or behind running behind that
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Colts offensive line. He's doing this with what most people
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: coming into this season thought was what a middling supporting cast.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think with Diggs, I don't think
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: people gave gave the cast enough credit coming into the season.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I will say that, like, and I understand people are
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: maybe worry about where Diggs was at thirty one years
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: old coming off the torn ACL Diggs being the guy
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: he has changes a lot. It's not taking anything away
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: from Drake, but Diggs being the guy he has really
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: changes the way that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Sure, but he's not That's not Jaya center Pukani.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, fair enough.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys are on a different level. And that's
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not a knock on Stefan Diggs. It's just where Diggs
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: is in his career right now to you know where
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: those guys are in their primes. It's just different. It's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: just different. So Drake may just continues to just be outstanding.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like, and you know I thought in this
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: game too, and you know, this might be a little
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: bit towards you know, the bad side of things, but
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Todd Bowles, I thought, showed an ultimate sign of respect
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: for Drake May. You know, I'm really big on like
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: how do they defend the Patriots and how are teams
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: defending Drake May and looking at trends in terms of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: coverage and pass rush and things like that. So Drake
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: May comes out in this game and Todd Bowles blitzes
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: him a couple times in the first half, and he
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: just rips him apart. You know, twelve yards per pass
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: attempt against the blitz huge plays, you know, when the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Bucks bringing pressure and so Bowles, who is a notorious blitzer.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked all last week about the pressure
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that the Bucks like to bring. Thirty five percent blitz rate.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: They were only twenty seven percent blitz rate in this game,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: so way below their seven season average. And they used
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of drop eight coverage in this game, where
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: they're dropping out seven guys and then a quarterback spy,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: so they're really only rushing three pass rushers on the play.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: For Todd Bowles to say, I am, You're too good
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: for me to blitz you, and so we have to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: go Basically, that's like a fastball pitcher saying that I
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: need to throw only off speed stuff to this guy.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: That's what that is. So he changed up. He threw
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: changeups at Drake May. Now they were pretty successful with it,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Tampa was, and that might be something that we can
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: talk about moving forward if teams trying to copy that formula,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: but just to kind of spin it in a positive way.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I look at it and say, even Todd Bowles said,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: we can't blitz this guy. And if Todd Bowles is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: saying that and Todd Bowles is kind of changing his
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: stripes to game plan Drake May, that just tells you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: about kind of the ascension that he has made. Because
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you only do that against the great quarterbacks. No one's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like coming into a game against Dylan Gabriel and saying like, oh,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: we can't blitz Dylan Gabriel, right, Like, we got to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: do something different. So the fact that Todd Bowles did
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: something different in this game is just a real testament
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to how far Drake May has come. Like that tells
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: me that he is being viewed by other coaching staffs
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: as an elite quarterback in the league right now.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we talk about the loot sometimes with
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Patriots spending other quarterbacks, that you take a team
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out of their comfort zone, you force them to operate
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the way they don't want to operate, and that in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: itself is an advantage regardless of what they're doing. So
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and I think he's earned it. I think he's absolutely
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: earned that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yep. The other thing that I wanted to talk about
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: here still kind of big picture, is still kind of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the goods here. I kind of see the method, you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: moving over to the defense, I kind of see the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: method of the madness here with the defense a little bit.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I get it. I wrote about this and after further
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: re you watching their early down soft zones give up
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: ten yard outs and have it to look kind of
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: not competitive at times is frustrating, Like it looks too easy,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Like you want them to get up on the receivers.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You want them to take away that space and not
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: give up those yards underneath the coverage and all that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: good stuff, because it just looks like easy money. And
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I do have a tiny bit of fear that a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: great quarterback maybe in the playoffs or something like that,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Herbert and Allen, you know, a Mahomes Well, just on
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: first and second down, they're not even gonna get to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: third down because they're gonna just go right through them
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: on first and second down. But they're starting to limit
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: big plays. Over the last five weeks, they're seventh in
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the league and you know, seventh best and big play
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: pass rate allowed. Yeah, they are fifth on third down,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and they're really good run defense. So when you start
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to add those things up, you know, when you're not
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: giving up chunks, you're good on third down, you stop
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the run. Like now, all of a sudden, you start
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to see a formula there of how they're keeping teams
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: down in terms of scoring as well. You know, top
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: ten scoring defense too. So is it then don't break eat? Yeah? Absolutely,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Like there's definitely that element to it. Is it too
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: easy at times on early downs? Yeah, they're twenty fifth
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: in the league right now in pass EPA on early downs.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It's not great, but they're starting to kind of have
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that formula and it's sort of like first and second down,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: we're gonna you know, we're gonna back off, we're gonna
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: protect the house. Third down, let's party like, that's when
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we're gonna draw up pressure. That's when we're gonna play
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: man coverage. We're gonna put Gonzo on their best receiver
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna play man to man and we're gonna
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we're gonna come after you. So they've done a nice job,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and I think Vrabel and Zach Korrer have done a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: nice job of like sticking to their guns on that
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and not getting super aggressive on first and second down
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and being impatient with it. So that's that's hard to do,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: like when you're giving up, you know, little plays here
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and there on first and second down all game long.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: To kind of stick to your formula and not all
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of a sudden start to get aggressive and get beat
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: over the time is hard to do. But they're doing
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it right now. So I hear it like a lot
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of the frustrations with the defense because I think I'm
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: sure you get it and your mentions every game too.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Whereas the man coverage, why are they playing so far
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage? I think that there is
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: starting to be on both on film and in terms
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of the numbers, they're starting to You're starting to see
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: it come to fruition. What exactly the vision of the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: style of defenses that they're playing. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The interesting factor to me in that is, and you
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: mentioned like against a better quarterback, is a better quarterback
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: going to take advantage. Baker's a pretty good quarterback. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they kept that offense right relatively in check. I mean
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that last drive they're just trying to make sure guys
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: are tackling bounds in the clocks running right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that last drive.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I thought, well, they played they played Josh Allen differently.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: They played Josh Allen like like you just described third down.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: They kind of played that way the entire game. So
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: maybe there is another game plan in there that we
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: just haven't a see because they've played Dylan Gabriel and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they you know, they've played some of these lesser quarterbacks
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that they can go the other way if they need to,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: but they're just not doing it when they don't need
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I you know, I again, I just think
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that there's a clear formula nowt They got to be
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: better in certain areas, and we'll get to that. But
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I just think you can see a method here to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the madness of what some of these coverages that they're
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: playing on early downs, but there are they're playing about
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: seventy five percent zone coverage on first and second down.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: They're giving up a lot of yards on first and
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: second down. But then you look up in the fourth
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: quarter and the point has seventeen points, right, And if
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you do that consistently week in and week out, where
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, limit big plays, good on
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: third down, stop the run. And then you put that
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and combine that with having Drake frickin' May on the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: other side, you're gonna win a lot of football games.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a formula that's gonna lead to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of wins. The other goods here Travon Henderson
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams just basically breaking their GPS trackers and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: their pads was cool to see. So, you know, fifty
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: five yard touchdown, twenty two miles an hour on that
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: play for Travon Henderson, twenty one point seven to eight
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: for Kyle Williams on his touchdown, Another twenty one plus
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: miles per hour play by Henderson on the sixty nine
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: yard touchdown that the three fastest times in the NFL
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: by a ball carrier this week all New England Patriots.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Can't really remember the last time I could know it
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: seem as real speed. I can't really remember the last
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: time I said that two rookie skill players had games
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like this as New England Patriots. So seeing both those
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: guys break out in the same game was pretty cool
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, And I think it's an encapsulation of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: what they are. Like, I don't think Kyle Williams is
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not a guy who's gonna have six seven catches in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a game and be a volume guy and you're going
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: a pump the ball him, Like that's not his role.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be a guy that one to three catches
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a game. But is it three catches for thirty yards
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: or is it three catches for ninety yards? Like that's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: where you're looking at him to make an impact. He
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: only made one catch, but he made a massive impact.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings the same thing. We've talked a lot about
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this Dreel Jennings is not a volume player. Now, he
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: kind of had to be in this game because of injuries.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And some people have pointed to the game as a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: whole and like, okay, well, outside of those two runs,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it's really three runs. He almost broke that other one.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, outside of those three runs, he didn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: do much and there was one stretch there. I think
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: between the two long runs he had five carries for
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: zero total yards. But that's not He's not supposed to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: be a bell cow. That's supposed to be Ramondrae, Stevensoner
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings because those guys are going to do better
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: picking up some of those dirty, you know, hidden yards,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and then when those guys body below the defense enough,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: then Trevon Henderson comes in and breaks one or two
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: big runs. So it's not just both guys succeeded. You
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: saw them succeed in the rape mostly in the role again,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Hendersons was a little different kause the injuries, but you
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: saw them succeed basically in the role that I think
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: expect him to be in this year.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. You know, Henderson or
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: excuse me, like Henderson had the two big runs, but
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Williams basically that was his only target in the game.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Only catching the game was the seventy two yard touchdown,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what you're looking at for him. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: thought the combination of him and Matt Collins replacing Kyshawn
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Boody couldn't vast for any more than that that, you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins had six for one oh six and GeV
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: one for seventy two. Great production out of both those guys.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I it was a great day for the Patriots personnel department,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you know, their draft class last year. And I want
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to get a little bit to Craig Woodson too, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Campbell and Wilson both starting on the offensive line, both
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: skill players on Day two, have big games. Craig Woodson
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: has a big game. Andy Borgalis just continues to be automatic. Yeah,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder on Tristan Wharf's first career sack. A good
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: day for the front office. Obviously, speed was a big
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: part of what they wanted to add this offseason, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: back came to fruition in a big game in a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: big spot on the road. So I'm sure all those
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: guys are feeling pretty good about all that as well.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And speaking of the front office, another one that stands
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: out that we have to talk about, especially on this
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: show like this is right up our alley is Kiris Tonga.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Mister two way, well really three way and a special teams,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: three way, three phase, just star role player at this point,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to put role
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: player on it. He's just been dynamite, dynamite defensive tackle. Honestly,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: one of the better. We were talking about this yesterday
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in the locker room with Taylor Kyle's and the gang,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like is he one of the better converted defensive players
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to offensive players that are in terms of full backs
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: or lead blockers. He's one of the better ones that
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I have seen do it. You know, I have to
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: go back a little wit. You know. We talked to
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Landon Roberts, to Richard Seymour. Mike Rabel obviously was more
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of a tight end than like a full back, but
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of course Mike Rabel at times, Dan Cleco, I know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: we argued about Dan.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you think Dan Klecko was
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like naturally a fullback. It's very weird.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was naturally a fullback. I just
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: don't think he was like a full time player on
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: defense that turned the offense. That's what Kiris Tongka is doing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Kyris Tonga has a full time role on defense and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is then moonlighting on offense. I think Dan Klecko was
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: kind of a guy that bounced back and forth and didn't.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Dan Cleco played defensive line and linebacker at Temple. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he was a came here and started playing fullback.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I get that, but he didn't have a he it
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. This is something. The point is is that
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Kiris Tonga. Now, the short yardage running wasn't great. Yeah
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Edelman the other way, yeahs to shortyarded running in this
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: game wasn't exactly great. But they did have the fourth
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: down conversion early on in the game with him on
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the field, and of course he goes you know, all boys,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I me ends on him on the sixty ninety.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: The block he makes on the second one, Yeah, you
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: mentioned bowling pins like that's that's such an instinctive play
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: where he steals this guy off at the edge, but
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: does so kind of giving up his balance and he
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: knows he's going down, and what does he do. He
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: kind of spreads himself out and makes himself long and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: he ends up taking out like three more defenders with
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: him as he's following. That's like a highly instinctive kind
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of play for a guy that has not had a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: ton of experience in that position kind of knew exactly
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: what to do. That's awesome.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty incredible how naturally instinctive and how quick
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: he is to process as a blocker for a guy
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that hasn't done it a ton. You know, there's a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: lot of times where when the offensive line's blocking in
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: short yardage, usually it's not like a read and react
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: situation in terms of the front. They usually take gaps right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So like when you see sometimes you know, especially the tackles,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: they'll kind of dive forward into a gap and sometimes
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it looks like they're blocking in and it looks kind
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: of ugly, But in reality, that's just the way that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the play is designed because it's gonna be a bang,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: bang car crash, so you're not gonna have time to
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: get push by like sitting back in your set and
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: then like reading where the defensive lineman's going like you
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: would on a normal play. So they just shoot gaps, right,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: They just cover gaps. They just block a gap, And
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: so as a full back or as a lead blocker,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: your job is then to process or read like who
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: do I have to make? Right? So if Will Campbell
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: takes the outside gap, but the defensive lineman ends up
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: shooting the inside gap. Then I just got to take
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that guy. I gotta take first color Like this play
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: might be designed for me to get to the second level,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: but I have to help the offensive line there. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: his ability to kind of like replace the blocks on
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the offensive line is not something that you It is
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: not something that comes naturally like that's that's a hard skill.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: It's like a hard read. And the fact the fact
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: that he's able to do that so seamlessly is like
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a huge testament to him. So he's been great in
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this role. He's been great on defense as well. So
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: what a find Kiris Tonga is there? So another another
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: win for this personnel department. Just a fantastic signing. The
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: other fantastic signing that I thought, uh, you know, just
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: continues to be on a heater in this game. Will too. Actually, uh,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Milton Williams and calevon Chase on and you know I
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: talked about Milon Williams or talked about earlier, the vibes
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and the buying and all that kind of stuff. When
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: your highest paid defensive player, which is Milton Williams at
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the moment, when your highest paid defensive player is Fuld
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: tilt through the whistle on every single play when he
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: is a sidelined, a sideline player, when he is a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: red hot motor guy. It like sets a tone for
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the rest of the defense. The fact that Milton Williams
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: plays like this every single week, it just shows everybody
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: else around him, like I've got to do the same.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Like if he's doing it and he's making thirty million
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: dollars a year, then what's my excuse not to do it?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And I talked to him about this after the game
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and he said that that mentality, that motor, that full
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: tilt to the whistle, that is a non negotiable for
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: this defense. And he was frank about it and said,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: if you're not doing it, we're taking your butt off
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the field and we're gonna find somebody that will like
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that is that's the way we're playing. And he encapsulates
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that completely every single week. He fills up the stap sheet, pressures,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: run stuffs, hustle plays. He is an awesome player to watch.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And then Chase on two six quarterback pressures in this
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: game led the team. I thought he was really good
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: in this game as well, relentless to on that sack.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Both those guys just continue to be on heaters. They've
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: both been great for basically all season at this point.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's they've made a massive difference. And yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: A couple more defensive things and we'll move over to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the bats. I want to give some kudos to this
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: safety tandem. I feel like there was a lot of
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: concerns about Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins being the Patriots
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: starting safeties. Been really good. Greig Woodson, I think has
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: been really starting to come into his own. I had
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: him with like four you know, impactful splash plays in
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: this game. A great pass breakup, you know, coming from
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the split safety zone and breaking up that pass to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and on third down. That was a huge play in
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: this game. It is third and three there and scoring
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: territory and he separates the you know, along with Gonzo,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they kind of converge on it and gets the ball out.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Had another pass breakup in the flat, and then that
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: play that Jalen Hawkins made on the fourth down where
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Baker somehow got the ball out. I think it's to
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Rashad White that was like a miracle, you know, in
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the grass kind of flipped by Baker. Mayfe and Jalen
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Hawkins is playing post safety in the middle of the field.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: He comes from like fifteen twenty yards off the ball
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and makes that tackle.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: When it looked like the play was over, and I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: mean he starts hustling. His other guys are kind of
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: celebrating yeah, or buck Skis are like, like the body
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: language of players on both sides was the play was over.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if they if they don't have that play, like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: if he's not there, then obviously like there's nobody else there,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: so like that might be a touchdown if Jalen Hawkins
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't come up and make that tackle. So for all
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: there's concerns about depth. You know, if either one of
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: these guys gets hurt, then they're in a bad spot
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: at safety. But the concerns coming in about those two
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: guys being your starting safeties. I don't have a ton
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: of concerns anymore about those two players. I think they've
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: been both really solid.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: No, and it's it's another spot where they moved on
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: from veterans somewhat controversially. Obviously Peppers before the season and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: then Duger a couple of weeks ago, and I don't know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I know Hawkins. The first game of the year was
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like weird where he had some big plays, but he
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: also made some big mistakes. And you're just kind of
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: everywhere good and bad. But how many times have we
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: sat here, Evan and been like, man, they could have
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: used Broll Peppers today, and they could have used Kyle Dougerty, Like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: we really haven't done that. Now Again, if guys start
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: getting hurt, we may have that conversation regards to depth.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: But those guys have stepped in and and made the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: plays they need to make.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, really quickly in the chat, I'm not on
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: my phone. This is my rundown is on the is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: on my phone, Okay, okay, I am tied to tech sometimes.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, I want to show that's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a brave move to point your phone towards the camera.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's a Google doc.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: What's gonna they never know what? Notification?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: What I'm married? Man, What do you think is going
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to happen?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: People are weird with this stuff.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Anyways, last one, last one on the goods, and then
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about some of this other stuff.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I split this up into two different ones. Well, he's
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: on the goods and he's on the bat Yeah, Gonzo
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: in man coverage, good yesh, he's on the goods. Two
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: for five in man coverage in terms of you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: catches to target's only twelve yards allowed. He allowed one
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: catch for eleven yards to Mecca Buca and man coverage.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Now to be fully transparent, his defensive pass interference was
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: man coverage. I love the call, but it is what
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: it is. I think that he's still one of the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: best lockdown man cover corners in the league. We can
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: talk about some of the zone stuff and how the
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: teams are getting their best receivers away from Gonzo and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: how the Patriots need to improve in that regard, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: when he goes Mono Imano against their best receiver, whether
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it was Drake London last week or Jerry Judy the
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: week before, now Agbuca a couple third down coverage, you
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: know stops or forest in completions as well. I thought
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that in man coverage, Gonzo really good.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like Christian and I don't know if you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: want to use this to jump to the bad I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's Gonzalez goes as the defense goes
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: or the defense goes as Gonzales goes. However you want
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: to structure that doesn't feel like he gets beat once?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Whatever the concept? Right, he gets beat once early in
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the game, Gonzales sucks, don't better, and then he's just
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: like lights out the rest of it. And obviously you'd
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: rather not get beat the first play of the game
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: or the first time he gets you know, tested. But
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is that just me that feels that way that like
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: To what it is and you know, let's just segue
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: to the bads here. Yeah, So when I talk about
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the bads in these games, I want to be clear.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I am always looking at like, how could they lose
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs? Right Like at this point, it's like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: what is going to trip this team up? What's going
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: to cost his team a you know, a true run
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And I do think there are some
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: areas as good as they are playing that are starting
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to bubble up underneath the surface that they need to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: get corrected. And one of them, and it's not just
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Christian Zalz He's not the only one. But I understand,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and I said earlier, I understand the method of the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: badness in terms of the off coverage stuff. That still
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you need to give like the first
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: like twelve yards for free. Like you can still be
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit tighter on some of these off coverage
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: zone you know, off man type of reps where at
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: this point, whether it's a hitch, whether it's a slant,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: whether it's a comeback, whether it's a you know, out whatever,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: like they're just give They're handing teams ten yard outs,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Like if you want to go down the field on
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the Patriots on first down, just throwing like seven ten
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: yard outs. It's there, man, like they are giving it
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to you. And at some point some team with some
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: good quarterback is going to sit there and say, yeah,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: we'll be patient, like we'll just take I'll take this
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: check down, I'll take this hitch, I'll take this out,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I'll take this you know o route over the ball
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: in between two zones, like I'll take this all day
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: long if you're gonna give this to me. So they
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: have to I think be a little bit more competitive
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: in those situations, and that I think is also you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: part of the thing with Gonzo, like he gave up
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, two catches for twelve yards in
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: man to man. He gave up three catches for forty
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: nine yards in zone coverage, right, So the zone stuff
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: is a little bit murky. They're twenty fifth and early
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: down pass EPA because of their zone coverage and the
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: yards they're giving up in their zone coverages. So this
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: is something that isn't going to get them beat against
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: some of these lesser quarterbacks or Baker Mayfield without his
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: two best receivers. It's not going to get them beat
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: against Michael Pennix. It's not going to get them beat
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: against Dylan Gabriel, cam Ward Spencer Rattler. Will it get
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: them beat against Justin Herbert. We'll get them beat against
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, will get them beat against Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I'm putting Bo Nix
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: or Daniel Jones in that conversation, but we'll get them
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: beat against those great quarterbacks that might So I think
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: some of the things you're kind of getting at are
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: similar to the things that I have concerns about. They've
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: got to be a little bit better in their early
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: down zones, and they got to be a little bit tighter.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes on the outside. I get that they
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: don't want to give up any big plays over their head,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that you just give them the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: first fifteen yards.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's also where I go back to, like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: what are the chances that they play it differently against
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: those quarterbacks? Like they didn't play this at least not
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that regularly. They didn't play this way against Buffalo. Yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's just the way they're going to play
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: against certain quarterbacks.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Sure, other couple of things that just are kind of
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: starting to get on my radar. It's all most of
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: this in this part of the list's kind of defense.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: To be honest. Run defense last week basically the worst
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: run defense performance the year across the board, and this
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: was I know, you know, maybe I'm under selling Tucker
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the running back for the Bucks a little bit.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I think he's like I liked him coming down in
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the draft and they got good depth. I know he's
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: their third string running back. I don't think he'd be
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the third string everywhere. He's a good playing runs really hard.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: So this was their worst run defense performance by EPA
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: success rate, yards per carry explosive runs. Like all across
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the board, they gave up a fifty seven percent success
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: rate on the ground, which is astronomically high for them
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. If that is Bijon Robinson or if
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: that is Breise Hall tomorrow night, you know, Thursday night,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: those eighteen yard runs that Tucker was breaking off might
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: become fifty yard runs against these great backs. So their
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: run defense has been awesome all year. This could easily
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: just be a one week blip in the radar here,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: but I think it kind of goes hand in hand
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: with this next one. I have not seen the Christian
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Barmore that I'm used to seeing over the last couple
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: of weeks, So I don't know if that is bumps
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and bruises catching up to him. I know he has
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: this back thing. I don't know if it's that. I
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's long season, late bye like they
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: might just need some of these guys, whether it's you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: bar More, Landry Splane like these, some of these veteran
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: players might just need the bye week in a bad
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: way because they're just not especially Landry and Barmore. It's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: been two weeks for Barmore, it's really been since that
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: ankle injury in New Orleans with Landry where I've seen
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: those guys play to their potential and play to their ceiling.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've talked about Vrabel's talk out and need
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: to manage some of those veteran guys. So it's where
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the late bye week comes in. They're gonna have the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: mini bye this week, you know, and then what is
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: it two weeks? It's it's this week Cincinnati and then
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the Giants and then the bye, right, yes, so, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: even that Giants game will be a longer week because
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: that's Monday night. So they got some rest coming up,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and it's it's well earned.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: So just something that's a little bit on there on
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: my radar. You know, Barmore and Landry. In this game,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Barmore hasn't logged in. I know he was in and
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: out of this game because of the injury, but he
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: hasn't logged the quarterback pressure in two weeks and that's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: just not normal. Christian Barmore. Like, I'm watching his film
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: right now, and I'm like, this guy looks he looks compromised,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like he looks like something is but like health wise
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: is bothering?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: If just they're still doubling them?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they are, and I kind of chock that up
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: to it last week, but now it's two weeks in
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a row that he's looked this way, so it's starting
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to be on my radar. Last thing on the bags
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: and then we'll get to the stuff that gets you beat.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Only really one or two things there.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: But.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: It's driving me the coverage bus in the red zone
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: or driving me nuts. It's every week. It's like three
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: or four weeks in a row at this point. You know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: fan in on his touchdown against Atlanta, it wasn't a touchdown,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: but they left Beijon Robinson wide open in the flat
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: that led to a touchdown. And then this week of
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: course Agbuca's first touchdown or only touchdown, but the first
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: touchdown on the opening drive just wide open coverage bust.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: It's every single week they are busting a coverage in
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the high red zone, you know that area between the
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: fifteen and twenty five yard line, every single week. So
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: this has got to get cleaned up, like they've got
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: to figure it out. It looks to me, you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: watching back this play from Sunday, in terms of the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Igbuka touchdown, it looks like quarters uh and in quarters,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: like you're going to match verticals and quarters. So I
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: think that Marcus Jones needed to carry Igbuka on that route, Like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: That's what I think he kind of slipped a little bit, right, Well.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: What happened was is, you know, so Gonzo is getting
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: run off on that side of the field by the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: outside receiver and it's a little like delayed wheel. It's
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a nice route, it's a delayed wheel by Buco where
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: he kind of just like lulls you to sleep and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: then he releases up the field. And I look at
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: that one and say, you know, I think Marcus Jones
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: should have carried a Buka on that play, whether or not,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it was a muddied
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: read or or you know, maybe he thought that Abuka
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: was sitting because he did kind of sit to start.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe he slipped a little bit. I don't know what
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the case was. But this is every single week now
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: that they're busting coverages in the red zone every single week. Uh,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and it's it's got to stop. Like it's that's something
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that's absolutely got to be corrected so that those couple
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of things, like I don't think that giving up an
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: opening drive touchdown is a thing that gets you beat
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: because you have three and a half quarters, let's call
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: it to make up for it.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So because they recover.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's on that level, but the
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: red zone stuff is on that level of the busted coverage.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: A couple just quick things on the stuff that gets
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you beat. Don't think we need to blabor this point.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: The Drake may interception.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a interceptions.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It happen.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: It just can't.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, trying to do too much, trying to
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: be a hero, had him in structure. I felt like
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: watching it on tape, I thought he had maccollins open
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: within the play design. It was a little bluff screen,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: you know, fake the screen to Diggs, send maccollins, you know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: vertically up the seam. I think if he just throws
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: that high to the back of the end zone, it's
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: a touchdown to mac collins. Doesn't throw it, doesn't like it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Winfield was kind of in the in the picture in
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field as the as the single
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: high safety. Didn't like it, pulled it down. What I
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: was a little bit you know, small see concerned about.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: He said after the game he'd throw it again, and
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I get his mentality, Like I get what he's saying
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: in terms of the good you know, he wants to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: be aggressive. Yeah, he wants to be a playmaker, and
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I want him to do that too, But it just
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: depends on the situation of the game. Like in that situation,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the Bucks were on the ropes. If you throw that
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: ball into the tenth row and kick a field goal,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: it's an eight point game with like five minutes ago,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: or you know, with the wave, Rabel is like he
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: might have just gone it go on fourth down. So
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: you just don't need it, Like it didn't need you
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: didn't need to try to force it in there. It is,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the throw didn't need to happen. So that's on the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat. And you know that is
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: something that could have easily gotten them beat. Now the defense,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: to their credit, they stepped up right, but you can't
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: have those types of picks from the quarterback.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: One other thing from this game we didn't mention. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: don't know which category you want to put it in.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I'd put it in the good clock management. I know
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it's not your favorite thing to talk about, necessarily, So
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in two things that the clock managed.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Ye, there was one more thing that I wanted to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: bring up quickly about the stuff get gets.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Hid some and they recovered, but they had some bad penalties.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the penalties don't bother me as much.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: A yeah, I know they don't.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. It was probably the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: red zone coverage bus because it's annoying the crap out
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: of me.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Uh what margaus Jones muffing the punt?
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't great either. What what did you think
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: of the clock management? Because we kind of talked about
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: this on PE yesterday. I loved the end of the
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: half id awesome. I thought that was awesome. Evan old
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: school BELLICHICKI in masterstroke type stuff.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Seven sixteen. They took seven sixteen off the clock. That is,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I love my shortened game philosophy, right, that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: is shortening the freaking game. And they get going and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I look at the clock and this tray has been
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: going for a wow much times. I'm like, four minutes left.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be last drout of the quarter. There's no
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: way they've already been going. And they keep going and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to make Tampa burn the timeouts down there in the
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: red zone, and you know, whatever you want to make
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of that first down play. Drake may said he was
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: trying to get in. I don't know, but he was,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the goal was to leave
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it for fourth down and literally leave the clock at zero.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And if you look Trayvon Henders, I think it was
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the third down play. Travondon probably scores if Will Campbell
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't get held. Yeah, but he gets held. He's an
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: old somebody gets helt.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: But even if they score on second down. Huge difference
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: giving the ball back to Baker Mayfield with one forty
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: six left versus like a minute left. Yeah, it's a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: massive difference, especially with no timeout.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: So so it's one forty four left in the half
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: when Drake may did the sneak, not sneak like. Yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So now take getting the ball back with under a minute, right,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So that takes forty seconds off the playing clock. Uh
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: So then at what they snapped the ball to Henderson
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: play on second down with one oh three left.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's gonna be left by the time Henderson
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: gets in and then the kickoff like that's gonna take
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: another ten seconds off, right, So.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: You're looking at the difference of giving Baker the ball back. Well,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: let's call it one forty yeah, one thirty five. Maybe, uh,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: let's call it one thirty because by after the kick
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the KICKO, yeah, let's call it one thirty U versus
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: like maybe forty five seconds. Huge difference, huge difference, agreed,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: huge difference. Not that I was surprised that. So you're
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: my clock management expert on this show, Paul is the
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: clock management expert on PU I was surprised.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: You should learn how this works. Yeah, I know you
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: think the clock is irrelevant. I should learn how this.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Is your this is your thing. I don't need to
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: because you and Paul.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I want to say that next time you get annoyed
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: at me for not using analytics.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure, I thought it was another kind of master stroke.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I mean I really did.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Running seven minutes off the clock is just like, forget
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: how obviously managing it at the end of half is
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: great and they need to catch by digs to ultimately
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: get it in. But like, just on top of that,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a seven minute drive, Yeah, that's a beast. That's one
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: of their most impressive drives of the year. Fourteen play
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: seventy eight yards seven to sixteen off the clock. That
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: that's something that's like a college football kind of thing.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: You don't really take eight minutes off the clock in
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: the NFL on a drive. That's pretty rare. And then
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: at the end of the second half, obviously Trevion Henderson,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: they could have run it out. You know, there would
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: have been a handful of seconds left. Uh, he kicked
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the field goal. You know, things can go right. The
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: fact they go up two scores to me, you go
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: up two scores with under two minutes ago, you should
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: feel good about it. And then so.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: There's one forty three, just like you snap the ball
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: at one forty three, Yeah, then there's a touchback, so
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: no time comes off. So it'd be one thirty one
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: that Baker snapped the ball on the bucks next final drive.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: So so with one thirty one, let's call it one
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: thirty one. If the Patriot, if he.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Goes down, if he's gonna go down at one thirty one,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna call time out there. So now it's first
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and ten, they can run it out.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I think they can't run it out, but he would
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: have to have like done that thing where you like, yeah,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: pedal like four yards and then kneel it like you couldn't.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: They couldn't just straight kneel on it. They would have
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: had to kind of like.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: If the touchdown puts them up eight or less, you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: go down. Yeah, if the touchdown puts them up eight
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: or less, you go down, you know, making it a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: two score game. And I do we talked about the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Top show. I do think there's that element of trey
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Van Henderson getting to have that moment and what that's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: going to mean for him going forward. I didn't have
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a huge problem with it, And part of what makes
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: me feel better about it is Henderson knew to look
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and like knew that there was maybe it was a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: decision there and he's fast not which is great. Well,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: but the thing is, I think once it's not taking
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: anything away. Once he rounds the corner, the Bucks are
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: letting him score. I wonder what would have happened if
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he started jogging at like the twenty yeah, and if
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: he could take another ten seconds off the clock because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: the Bucks are going to let him go in. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: it's a goal. It's basically goalie defense, rightw You know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I would have liked to see them be a little
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: more competitive on that drive after.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: So that was the other thing a hot night.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Through butter and then a plus played by Stephan Diggs
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to recover that on sidekick and he took a shot. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and that's a thirty one year old All Pro made
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: his money guy going out there taking that shot for
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the team. Good for him, man, good for him. And
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: that's part of what makes this team special.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm glad that we brought up this sequence
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: because it made me think of the last thing that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I had on this stuff.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Because he beat I forgot to write it down the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Bucks last drive. Hated it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I absolutely hated it from a Patriots defense perspective, Like,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: you cannot give up a touchdown drive in less than
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: a minute in that spot, you can't do it.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: You gotta lock down a little more.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: You have to at least make them earn it a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: little bit more than that. So they go thirteen yard
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: like kind of check down to Rashad White. Then the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: twenty one yard or to Buka that really got them
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: going again. Gonzo gives him like the first like twenty
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: twenty five yards. I like he was in full prevent
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: defense mode on that play. Gives up the twenty one yarder.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I think was it that one. There was one. There
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: was one on that drive where they let a guy
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: get out of bounds and it's like, if you're gonna leak,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: give that up, you have to tackle them in bounce.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: If Sterling, Yeah, the Sterling Shepherd, one of either Tess
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: or Sterling Shepherd is like an eleven yard or than
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a nine yarder. And then they give up the eleven
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: yard touchdown to Sterling Shepherd. So they they were able
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to make it into a one score game again in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: fifty eight seconds the Patriots the first snap I just mentioned,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield snapped the ball with one thirty one left
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: in the game, and they still would have not only
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: did they score to make it a one score game,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: they still would have had like.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: A couple of plays for the on side kick.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: At least thirty seconds yeah, to run offense, like if
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: they recovered the on side kick, because they would have
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: needed another touchdown. It was twenty eight, twenty three, five
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: point game. But Baker Drake may snapped the ball on
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: his kneel down with thirty two seconds left, so they
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: would have had the ball at the fifty with thirty
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: two seconds left, needing a touchdown. That's plenty of time
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: in the league. Nowadays, to score a touchdown, you have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to be better than that.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: That was not at You got to keep guys in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: bounds or play a little more aggressive there.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: All right, that I've gotten it all out of my system,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break. We're going to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: talk Jets. We're going to talk a little bit more.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure about this Bucks game. But we're also gonna
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: take all your lovely calls and emails, so we'll see
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: you guys after the break.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I've got a quick request. I've been thinking
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  Speaker 3: I was happy to see them get mentioned in you know,
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  Speaker 3: after further review with you, because that just means they're contributing.
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  Speaker 3: So I just like to give us a grade where
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  Speaker 3: you think they are for mid term. I know you
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  Speaker 3: might not have time, stakes do want to get the Jets.
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  Speaker 3: My other quick comment is, don't freaking overlook the Jets
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  Speaker 3: because we're tired. It's a short week. We're really entered.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little worried after that. Hey, have a good
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  Speaker 2: Evan Okay, yeah, yeah, don't get what am I getting
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  Speaker 2: away with? Yeah, I'm gonna keep picking on what what
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  Speaker 2: am I getting away with? I don't know. We we
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  Speaker 2: pick on each other equally I'm getting away with It's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: like two brothers bickering at each other. Just is what
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  Speaker 2: it is. Uh, don't see one of the Jets. I
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  Speaker 2: agree with that. Yeah, we'll get a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: of a Jets preview here in a second. The rookie class,
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  Speaker 2: so I think that they grade out pretty highly in
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: my mind right now now. I don't think that it's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: always been perfect, Like these guys have had some.
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  Speaker 1: Rookie growin here to expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think Campbell has been exactly what
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  Speaker 2: I thought set in and forget it at left tackle.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, has it been perfect? Absolutely not. You know,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I think there are things in this game too with
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: him that on terms of stunts and things like that,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: that needs to improve, But it certainly hasn't held them
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: back at all. Like starting left Yeah, their top ten
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: scoring offense, top ten passing offense, top ten explosive play
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: rate offense. Like if they had terrible left tackle play
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: and terrible left guard play too. To put it with
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson, I do not think that they would be
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: up there in pretty much every passing category. It took
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Travon Henderson a little bit to get going, Yeah, getting
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: going now, So I think that that's been a positive trend.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams the same thing behind a lot of veteran players,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: so that that's part of it too with him. And
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: I'll say what I said at the beginning of the show,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Craig Woodson, I think has been fantastic. I really do.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited about him. I think he flies to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: the football. I think he plays with great play, speed
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: and physicality. He's an effort and finished kind of guy.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: He can play multiple roles. He had a great coverage
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: rep in this game where they motioned from like a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: three by one into two by two and they motioned
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: a receiver from left to right and he was the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: post safety. Jalen Hawkins was down in the box when
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: they motioned, they flipped Jalen Hawkins went back. Craig Woodson
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: came down and stand played over the slot. They then
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: ran like kind of the same exact concept they ran
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: on ag Buka's touchdown, a sort of like a post
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: wheel type of concept and they're trying to hit a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: big play down the field and Craig Woodson carried the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: wheel and was just there like he was just in
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: the right spot. Like he don't get a box score
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: stat because of that because he didn't get targeted or
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: anything like that, but just like a real heads up,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: like good coverage rep by Craig Woodson. I thought that
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: it wasn't just the on ball production. He was really
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: good away from the ball too. Down the field and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: coverage really excited about him, like he's a kind of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: kudos to them. I was wrong about him, Like I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: thought they overdrafted him and they didn't. I think they
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: they nailed that pick. So what would I rate the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: whole rookie class.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Well, you forget I mean, Joshua Farmer's giving them some
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: good snaps. Yeah, obviously the specialists. Borgalis and I haven't
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: even talked about Borgallis has bounced back after rough first
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Ashby's been excellent. Marcus Bryant is not
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: allowed a single pressure, one hundred percent pass block win rate.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Hasn't played well.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: No, he has one passblock snap because they put him
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: in a couple of those games that will blowouts. But no,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I mean they I mean that's tongue cheek. But even
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: though some of those step guys have been good. Yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I do think we will see Braden Swinton before the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: year's over.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll see him a lot, but
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I do think we're gonna seem at some point before
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: the year's over.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: I think so far, I maybe i'd give it like
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: a solid B plus, A minus, somewhere in that range. Yeah,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say B plus, Like it hasn't been
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: an absolute home run, but they've gotten contributors. They've gotten
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: two starters, it looks like on the offensive line. Yeah,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: maybe Jared Wilson's a center next year long term, but yeah,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: it's hard.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: So something it's gonna come down to, like where does
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson end up long term?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: You know, are they gonna have to Are they planning
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: on Trevia on Henderson being a bellcow or is it
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: going to be him and reminder Stevenson or him in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: another back Like we'll see with that in the big picture.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, i'd say b plus.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other thing, you know, just quickly on
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Craig Woodson too, because I'm just excited about Craig Woodson.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: He made a play in this game too that he
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: was kind of targeted on where he was the post
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field, and they ran
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: again like sort of like a wheel post on to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the right of Baker's mayfield right, and he stayed glued
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: to the post so that he could help Gonzo on
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: the post, which is where he was supposed to be.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: And then Baker worked from the front side of the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: concept to the backside of the concept, and on the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: back side of the concept he had like a seam
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: route that should have been a huge play. Craig Woodson
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: started on the post, stayed in the middle of the field,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: flipped his hips and like ran to the seam and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: squeezed the seam. It was like a great play. I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: was like, wow, now a great throw would have beaten him. Still, yeah,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: but it was one of those situations where he was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: enough in the area that it made it a harder
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: play to make for the offense. And that to me
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: was like, that was Devin mccordy esque, right, Like, that's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: like what you want from a single high safety is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you know, stay on the front side of the concept,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: take away the initial read when he comes back backside,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: can you go from one hatch to the other and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: recover to the backside And he did a great job
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: of that on that play. I just thought this was
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I thought it has been a while now, like a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: couple weeks in a row where I feel like Craig
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Woodson's really starting to come into his own. Let's get
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: back to the phones. Patty is an agua? What's up? Patty?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: What's going on?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Guys? Eight? What's up?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: Not too much? So there's three things that I wanted
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 7: to see happening in this game that I think the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: Patriots have been lacking all two of them definitely. The
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: first one is I want to see some turnovers because
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: if you look at like it's more specifically some picks,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: because our guys haven't got a lot of picks this
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: year so far. I think Splaine leads leads the team
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: with two so far. And this is a good game
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: to do it because you know the Jets that they
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: try to throw the ball, they're going to try, you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: they need to turn it over. Talk about the middle eights.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: One thing I haven't seen the last two games is
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: when the second half, that's number two and number three
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: is keep feeding the rookies. You know, Booty's going to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: be back eventually, but while he's sidelined, you know, keep
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: feeding Kyle Williams, rom Andre is going to be back eventually.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: Keep feeding, keep feeding, trade down. I want to see
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: those guys not necessarily like with good stats at the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: end of the year, but like by the end of
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: the year saying we got two really good friggin players
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: in the second third round of the draft this year.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: That's all I got. I'll talk to you guys, or Alex,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: I'll talk to you on Thursday if you do the
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  Speaker 7: pregame show later.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks Patt. I appreciate the call. So on the second
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: half stuff. Yeah, we got a caller in yesterday that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: on PU that had all the numbers of like their score.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: First time third quarter points since the Bills game.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been a while in the third quarter.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: The fourth quarter is scoring differential, I know, is not great.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I kind of give them a pass on that because
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: there's so many blowouts. Yeah, and so it's like against Carolina,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: against Tennessee, against Cleveland, they put that game away, So
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: like if they needed to keep scoring in those games,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I think they were able would have been able to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: keep scoring. Now last week and they only scored three
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: points in the second half against Atlanta, and then this
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: past week they kind of let the Bucks hang around
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit in this game. Those are fair criticisms,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: and I think that their offense has not necessarily sustained
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: through four quarters every single week, and you'd probably like
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: to see more of like a complete sustainable offensive performance.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of why they flame out like in
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the high twenties every week, Like it's like, you know,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty eight points a game because they're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: not necessarily scoring a ton in the fourth quarter. So
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: fair points on that one with Pat for Patty don
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: is in Philly? What's up Don?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: Hey guys, how are we doing?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Not bad?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: So I have two questions here the kind of build
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: like some of the questions build off each other. But
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: first of all, would you rather JFN or Gonzo? And
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: I know Evan mentioned this a while back, and I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: don't want to speak for him because this isn't exactly
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: what he said. But do you want to PRECFAE by
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: saying I love Gonzo. I think he's a great player.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: I think he's one of the best, you know, lockdown
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: corners in the league. But if he's not a brable
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: guy and they don't want to pay him, you know,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: top market money, would you ever consider trading him like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: the Jets did with Sauce if it guaranteed, you know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 8: a playmaker in a first or maybe two first And
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: then secondly, how many wins do you think we need
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: to win the AFC East and secure the number one seed?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: So you could do that separately, like how many wins
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 8: do we just need to get the you know, to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: win the AFC East? And how many do you think
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: we need to secure the one seat and have home
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: field advantage in the buy take it offer?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks? For the call. Don So Jaysn versus Gonzo is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two draft revisited. They could have drafted
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: either one of those guys in twenty two. I think
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: jays N was still on the board at that point.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to sit here and say
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: that I'm upset that they took Gonzo. Like, obviously, Jayson's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: a fantastic players, probably a top five receiver in football.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Gonzo's probably a top five corner in football. Like, I'd
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: probably give the edges a little bit to j s
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  Speaker 2: N because he's a receiver versus a corner. But like,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not mad that they took No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: And you go back and you look at what their
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: wide receiver development was at that time. Does he become
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that player if he's here? So no, I yeah, Kim Gonzales,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: What was the other thing that, Oh, you're.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Gonna hate this. How many wins to an AFC East
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and how many wins? Well, so here's the.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, before we get to that, he did to ask
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: if we would trade Gonzo if they are not gonna
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: extend him. So this is yeah, I mean, this is sauce,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: like Micah Parson's just had this happen to you, right,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean obviously if yeah, if you're if
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: you're really far apart in contract negotiations and you get
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: an offer of two first round picks and a player
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: or something crazy for Christian Gonzales, then yeah you obviously.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't a guy like that walk, But I'd
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: rather pay him cigarette good player and not they shouldn't
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: be in the business and moving on from football per se. Yeah,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: all right, how many wins? So how many wins would
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: take to win the AFCs. Let's do that first. So
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Buffalo plays a tough and probably angry Tampa team this week.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: If they lose that.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I did see that it is kind of a sneaky
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: hard game for the Bills, but.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: The Bucks have always given them trouble. Yeah, you know,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: they go to six and four, that's now essentially a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: three and a half game lead for the Patriots, to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: two and a half game lead, but they have the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: one in hand. They had to head right swides two
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: and a half, it would be two in the lost
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: column and then you have the tiebreakers. So that's like
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: kind of like they have. So if if you know,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: if Patriots take care of business against the Jets and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Buffalo loses. So Buffalo's next four games the end of
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: their schedule is brutal Tampa. Yeah, Houston has a great defense. Yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Davis Mills, what's up game? I'm sure CJ. Strove will
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: be back? Yeahs Burg yep not. And that's in Pittsburgh,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I think, right in Pittsburgh. And then the Bengals, whose
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: defense is wretched, but they're gonna Burrow back. They're probably
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: gonna have Burrow back.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I think they have to have them back by then.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's that's the Seyboda window. And even if
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: they don't have Burrow, Joe Flacko's that's right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Joe Flack was hanging forty on. So that's four tough games,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: and then you go come here to play the Pad.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: And then after that, I think, is the Eagles, right.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: The Eagles in week seventeen? Yeah, the Browns and the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Jets sandwiched in between whatever.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, how many wins is it gonna
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: take if even if they lose that game to Buffalo
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: and it gets split.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I think if they win twelve games, they win the division.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, does eleven
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: wins get it done? I think twelve twelve death well
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: does definitely, Because to get to twelve, they how many
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: games they've left?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Nine?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm doing math. Nine have seven games, they
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: have seven games left.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: They played ten. This is the easiest math pot.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I forgot because about right, So they have seven games left.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: So to get to twelve wins, they'd have to go
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: six and one. What they have seven games left, they
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: have seven games left. They only need to win four
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: more games to get twelve wins. Buffalo, Oh, buff Buffalo
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: would have to go give me that stretch a sorry, yeah,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: give I'm not that bad at that.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Give that stretch again. I'm not that bad Bucks, Texans, Steelers, Bengals, Patriots, Brown's, Eagles, Jets.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Can they go six and one in that?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I mean they could, Like the Bills are really good teams.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that's not an easy It's not gonna
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: be easy, So it's not twelve I think definitely gets
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it to you. If they beat the Bills. Yeah, if
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: the Patriots beat the Bills, here, eleven gets it done.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I think so, I'm not you probably need another game somewhere.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Earlier in the show. I I I told you I'm
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: not stitious. I'm just a little stitious. So I didn't
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: want to talk about all this, all right, I didn't
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it. But he can get mad
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: at me. I'm sorry.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I just don't you know, well, if they lose to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the Jets and Victors.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh. I did allow myself to think a little bit, Yeah,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: the Bills and fifteen.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: That game's that Probably that game's for the division.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: If the Bills kind of don't recover here, yeah, and
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: they lose a couple more times before they play, they
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: could that could be a hat and T shirt game
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: that literally even if.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: The Bills are good like that could maybe not literally
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: hat and T shirt game, but.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Let me ask it could more or less can like
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: decide the division?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I think Pending made multiple major upsets, which
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: can always happen. It's the NFL's National Football League. Can
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the Bills win the division without beating the Patriots here?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: But I think that really like if you look at it,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: especially the way the Patriots schedule lines up here. You know, Jets, Bangels,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Giants where I gets twice the Bengals are hard I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: think harder maybe.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Bengal is a sneaky trap game. You gotta go there,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: and Joe Flack has just playing their offense is good.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: You can't play that off coverage against that that team.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: So Jets, Bengals, Giants. Yeah, let's just say the good
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: times keep rolling here for the Patriots if they're uh,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: you know, eleven and two going out coming off the bye,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: going into that Buffalo game here at Gillette, like, a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: are the Bills? Are they?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Now? If they have a three game lead out of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: that with the tiebreakers, it's over.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: That is right? That could literally be ahead and t
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: shirt game. Yeah right and all Buffalo loss.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: That's happened, right, Yeah, it's not inconceivable.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: So I look at the rest of the Patriots schedule.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I know you didn't want to get ahead of ourselves,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: but here we are.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Yep. I did it to myself. It's fine.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: They have the Bills, yep, they have the Ravens, and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: again I think at the Bengals is a sneaky tough game.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: They should win it, but it's a sneaky tough game
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: if they If they win one of those, you can't
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: get swept. You can't get swept in those three because
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: everything else is easy. You got the Giants, you get
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: the Jets twice, you got the Dolphins, and I think
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: that's it, right, And ask anybody you can't get swept
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: in those three. If you win one, all right, you're
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be okay. If they can just take two
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: of those three, they're golden. Yeah, they are in great shape.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: They just got to win two of those three against
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: the Bills, the Ravens, and the Bengals. I think that
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: the Ravens game is probably the toughest of those three.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd agree with that or not.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: If you're a Patriots fan and there's not a part
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: of you, no matter who they're putting on the field
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: that's nervous going into Baltimore, you're kidding yourself. So I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: but yeah, Lamar, this is assuming Lamar plays, obviously, But
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: I on this game left, I guess is what I'm asking.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: For the Bills, No, for the Patriots, Buffalo, Baltimore and Buffalo, which.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I'm asking what is the toughest. So I think it's Baltimore.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's sneaky Baltimore because I think Buffalo is
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs. I think they know it.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Baltimore might need to keep winning, right, like they might
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: need to really and it's there. Yeah you haven't. You know,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: they're a little more familiar with Josh Allen. When's the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: last time they played the Ravens be in a minute,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: probably that was it the game that Mac Jones busted
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: his ankle and DeVante Parker like one hundred and eighty yards.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so, uh, the I told you I wasn't gonna
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: do playoff permutations and seeding and matchups. I will do
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: division like. That's that's where you're okay.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: No, I mean that's very relevant.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: And winning the division. I think you know Mike Rabel
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: when he took the job in January, yeah said checkpoint
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: number one, take advantage of bad football. I think they're
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: well beyond taking advantage of bad football. Yes, checkpoint number two,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: win the division host home playoff games. I put those
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: two together because if you win the division, you're gonna
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: hont you automatically host a home playoff game. So win
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: the division, host a home playoff game. That checkpoint is right.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I'll give you one more sneaky important thing in this too. Yep,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: that loss to Miami is massive because of the division record.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's the second tiebreaker if the Bills come
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: in here and win the head division record. Right, the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Bills are now two and two in the division. Patriots
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: are two and Oh they still have a bunch of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: division games left.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that is right there, and I will
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: also I will also allow for the Umber one seat,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: which I think is also right there for the taking.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna be a three years there.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more going on there. But
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I think this year, like I said, by the way,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, Colts and Broncos and it feels like we're
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: in high school again.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: This is great.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I will tell melcome back to twenty twelve.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I probably I might eat my words on this eventually
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: in January, if the Patriots play the Colts or Broncos,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: I don't care where that game is. I'm taking the Patriots.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I have I don't care PTSD going to Denver and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: it's really I don't care if.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: It's an Indie or Denver. I actually if it's in Indy,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: I really like the Patriots because it's a dome and
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Drake May is gonna throw for three hundred faking yards
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: in that dome. I would take the Patriots. I do
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: not trust the jon.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: From I don't want to get too ahead of myself. Yep,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and here we are seventy five eighty five minutes later.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are going to blow doors against the Colts
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: on the road in the I don't.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Trust that Colts team at all. I watched them in Germany.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: I know it's granted, it's a international game. Those are
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: always tough. They pulled it out. I get that. Uh,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: you know how I feel about teams that are built
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: with their run first. You know that I don't trust those.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Uh kind of well, I just think the Broncos offense
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: just kind of stinks.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I I think I think the Colts are more real
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: than the Broncos. The Colts, to me, there's something there,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: and you may not love the way they're building. I
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: got what you're saying about the dome. They're saying that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Jones will turn back into a pumpkin. So you you
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: said earlier you don't think the Chargers could get it.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: It's even at seven and three. You wonder if the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Chargers would get in.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I worry about that Chargers team. I do their offensive
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: line is decimated, like Joe Halt and Rashaun Slater are now.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: They are either out for the season or Joe Alt
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: is dealing with an high ankle. I think it is
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: like that's never good. Uh, but I I just the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Colts specifically. I would love for the Patriots to play
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: the Colts because I think that's a great I'm not
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: saying just because I think the Patriots would win, Like,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I actually just think that's a great football game. Would
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor against defense this run defense, Drake May against
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: lou Anaumo, Like that's a great matchup, you know, Josh
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: versus lou two, Like that's a great football game on paper.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I just really think just like Minnesota last year with
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, just like the Vikings a couple of years ago.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's twenty two right where they had like
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: that flash in the pan season.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: I just look at the Giants the Daniel Jones breakout,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Like I.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Just look at this cold team and I'm like, I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: think that they'll have the exact same season that the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Vikings had last year. Great regular season, fun story wants
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: it's time to play the big dogs in the playoffs.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones turns.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Back into who's the best AFC?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Right now? Yeah, I work for them. I don't know,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: I'll like that's it like they're ain't and two. I
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: mean like they have their tie for the best. And
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this now, I don't think that they're
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: based off of their resid may. Yeah, they're the best.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Who's been the best team in the AFC through ten weeks?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: That's different than what I'm asking is the best. I'm
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: not asking you he's gonna come out of the AFC.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Who's been the best team in the AFC through ten weeks?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: You have power rank the AFC right now, Patrick Patrisone,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I can't believe I'm saying this. Yeah,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs are a little bit of a sleeping giant
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: at team maybe many And they go into Denver this
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: week and we just talked about that Broncos seam being fraudulent,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: but like Denver's a tough places to play, It's a
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: divisional game they go in.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: That's what it worries me about not getting the number
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: one seed is that you could be the second overall
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: seed in the comment and you have to play Kansas
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: City and have to play Patrick Mahomes and wild card
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: wak if they go in and blow doors against Denver,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: that's such a message to the league. That's such a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: message to the league that like, hey, don't have to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: sit out of the Kansas City is in there two thousand,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: right now, they're in there, twenty eighteen Patriots era, right
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: now they are.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: You're saying it's almost over.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: No, maybe, but I am also saying, well, it's almost
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: over for you know, it's almost over for Kelsey, It's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: almost over for Chris Jones.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Like they're how much long is Andy Reagan?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have to turn over some of this roster
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: around Mahomes even more than they already have. But Kansas
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: City in December and January, they'll turn it on. They'll
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: they'll get into the playoffs and then anything can happen.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Right now because of that, Trevor laur November twelfth, Yeah,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I got to climb back in the rest of the
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: season is not ending today. Who's the best team in
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: the NFC.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: That's a tougher one.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: I I have a take it might be a little
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: crazy and maybe I'm caught up in the moment. Yeah,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: probably is it Seattle they're playing like the best team rules.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: They're playing like they're kind of the NFC version of
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: the Patriots right where I think that the NFC version
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: of the Colts. But no, just what they're doing with
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the deep ball, Like I know we're talking about Stafford,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: and I think Stafford and Drake may Or the two
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: m VP favorites, right, Yeah, Darnald might need to be
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: in that conversation.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Darnald's in the COMMO. I think it's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: might need to be more than Stafford May Darnold, Jonathan Taylor,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like Philly's lingering. There's something about that team that feels
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: a little off to me that like isn't the same
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: as the last couple of years.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Detroit's been better after a slow start.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I like Tampa if they can get healthy. I guess
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: the Rams are good, but I don't know. There's something
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: about they're not just winning. They're like they've won some
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: really intense close games. They've blown some teams out. They're
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: winning every which way again subject to change. I I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: I do like the Seattle team though, Okay, let's talk
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit. And I said that we're doing this
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: instead of draft order, right, you wanted this at the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: beginning of the show. I gave it to you, all right,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Everybody can give me on Sunday.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: With all these great games you have the great Cup
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Montreal Aloette, I.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Haven't actually more relevant than that. I'll get to here
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: in a second. Let's talk a little bit of Jets up.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Than that.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: This one is down near the bottom of relevancy. I'm
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: not gonna lie, but let's let's talk a little bit
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: of Jets before we run out of time. So basically,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: this is one of those games, you know, just big picture,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: it's a sneaky, don't get beat by the schedule game,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: right you've played this will be your eleventh game in
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: a row without a buye. It's a short week. You
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: played on the road in a steamy, hot, rainy game
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: down in Tampa. That was a tough game, physical game
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: against a good team. Coming back on a short week,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: the Jets have a it's kind of like the interim
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: head coach bump. Like you trading saw us getting Quinn Williams.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody just assumes that they're gonna fall apart. They probably
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: will eventually, but like for a short term bump. Sometimes
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: that the power friendship comes together, and like who knows,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: like where those guys, good locker room guys, were they bad?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Quinn Williams seemed really unhappy in New York for a while,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Like you just don't know what exactly was going on
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes that led to those trades. So for one,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: let's call it two to three weeks, I think you
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: can get a little bit of a bump, well in
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: a row, one, two in a row. So there's that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: whole angle. Like if you want to go like superficial
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: power of friendship, you know, non tangible things, I would
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: say that that's you know, where we're at in terms
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: of the way is that the Jets can actually beat you,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: like between the lines on Thursday Night. I think there's
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of things that stand out to me. Their
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: run game. Their run game offensively is very explosive. It's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: not it's weird, like they're not very consistent. It's kind
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: of like last week for the Patriots, where it's like
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: two big runs often skew all their numbers. But Brees
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Hall is an explosive back. I think he's third in
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: the league right now an explosive run rate. They are
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: as a team third in the league and an explosive
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: run rate. I think he has the third most explosive runs.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: It's only like behind like Taylor and one other guy.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: So he's a big play threat out of the backfield.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: We obviously know what Justin Fields can do with the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: design quarterback run that element of it. On a short week.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: It's a physical team up front with the Jets. They
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: can hit big plays in the run game. They can
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: run it thirty three times and kind of control clock
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: like they did against Cleveland. And then you also it's
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: hard on a short week to prepare for a non
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: traditional run team like this is not a team that's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: just gonna put the quarterback under center and turn around
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: and hand the ball off. That's easy. Like you know
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: what's coming at you. This is option. It's like he's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: gonna be in the gun. He's gonna have you read
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: option plays. It's gonna be you know, tackle trap, it's
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: gonna be zone read, it's gonna be RPO, it's gonna
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: be Justin Fields is trying to run all over this
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: field tomorrow night. And back in twenty twenty two when
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Chicago came here with Justin Fields, we saw that it
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: can be effective if you let it happen. So this
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: is one of those games that's a little bit of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: a culture game from a short week perspective. But on
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: the field, I think the biggest thing that stands out
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: to me about the Jets, other than the special teams,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a second, is can they
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: come into this game and just justin fields goes twenty
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: twenty two Chicago Bears and just runs all over the place.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you look at I mean, he had
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: some receivers in that Bears game that you had to,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: you know, keep on you to be honest about. Yeah,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: with Garrett Wilson out their team leader, I forget which
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: way it is, but the next closest guys to Garrett
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Wilson among wide receivers, I think it's Tyler Johnson has
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the next most catches with eleven. Yeah, and Josh Reynolds
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: has the next most yards of one hundred and eighty.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: I might have gotten that backwards, but eight in the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: box kind of game, right, And they did. They did
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: get ad Mitchell, who we both liked in the draft.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: They didn't get him at the trade deadline, so that's
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: a factor. But yeah, we saw teams us to the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Patriots in the early two thousands. You put one corner
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: out there, you put one corner out there, you put
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: one safety deep, and then you dare him to run
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: into the loaded box, or you dare him to try
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: to take a shot with the with the black wide
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: receiver Talwn they had. Now, Mason Taylor hasn't been bad,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: and we know they're struggle against tight ends. That's the
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: guy worry about the pass game. You got to keep
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: him on as he's a rookie, you got to keep
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: him on us. But I think you just load the box.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: If Justin Field's throwing the ball twenty twenty five times
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: in this game, you're in good position for the Patriots.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So he only threw dropped back sixteen times, only
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: threw it eleven, he scrambled five times, or maybe there's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: a throwaway in there or something like that. But that's
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: the way they beat you. They beat you with thirty
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: five runs, you know, twenty five by Brisall five to
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: ten by Justin Fields, and it's just everybody's just running
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: all over the place. That's the formula for the Jets.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: The other part of that formula for the Jets is
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: obviously what they do on special teams. I think Mike
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Rabel called their return unit's sensational. Yes, yea, it is
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: the word that he used. They had two special teams
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: return touchdowns last week against the Browns, one kickoff one
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: punt return touchdown. They're the number one team in the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: league in DVOA on special teams, the best special teams
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: unit in football. So that's again and part of it, right,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: if you run ball well, you get a big return
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: or two, you flip the field a little bit, and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you have a ballgame on
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: your hands. That's another angle of it. You're the special
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: teams guys. So I'm sure you know plenty about the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: Jets special teams.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's they have a couple of different ways.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: They can beat you with their fast that's the big thing.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: They're fast. You really don't You're not going to chase
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: him down. If they get through the initial line, you're
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: not gonna be able to run them down. So you
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: got you got to be solid, you got to build
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that wall.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a good, really good special teams unit. Defensively, I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk a little bit about this from this
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Bucks game, and now we can kind of segue it
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: into this Jets game. So Jets play a lot of
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: man coverage. That's Aaron Glenn. He's an aggressive defensive coordinator,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: defensive mind. Now they play the sixth highest rate of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: man coverage in the league. They played the highest rate
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: of pressman coverage in the NFL, and that has not
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: changed with or without Sas Gardner. You know, they've played
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: two games now because he didn't play the Bengals game.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: He had a concussion sauce, so it's two games in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: a row now. They're still playing a ton of man
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: to man. There are man to man defense. The Bucks
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: ran a lot of drop eight coverage against Drake May
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: you know, three man rush, quarterback spy coverage behind it,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: man to man. Usually it gave the Patriots some problems.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: They only had one successful play against it, and it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: was the circus play to Matt Collins was the only
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: successful play the Patriots made against Drop eight. So does
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: not usually Glenn's m O. He's usually a man blitz guy.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: He's gonna, you know, bring five guys blitz the quarterback.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: You could do it that way too. You know, it's
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: always about gaps. So Yeah, there's six gaps on the
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: line of scrimage. If you put five rushers in five
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: of the six gaps in theory, then you can keep
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: him in the pocket. So you could do it that
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: way playing man coverage behind it, or they could man
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: up and then put a spy on Drake May And
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see I'm interested to watch this game.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Is this sort of the blueprint that everybody goes after is,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: let's we can't blitz them because too good against the blitz.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: So instead of blitzing him, we're actually just not gonna
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: rush him. We're gonna just rush three guys. We're gonna
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: drop aight into coverage. One of them will probably be
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: a spy, and we're just gonna make him sit there
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: in the pocket and consistently make throws. I would have
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: to venture to say that the Jets are gonna watch
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: that Bucks tape and if they're worth their salt, defensively,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: that's what they're gonna try to do in this game.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd like to counter that with the run,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: but they're so banged up at running back. How's that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: gonna work? Yeah, maybe there's some more screens, some more
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: quick hitter stuff. In this game, RPOs get guys going
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing with drop eight, I would say combination
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: of you know, obviously you can run the ball, but
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: usually teams only play it on like obvious passing situations.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Well they had was last week or the Falcons game
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: that they had the third and nine that they ran
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: for the first down.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that. Last week is toss play
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: to Henders. It almost broke that one too. You could
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: do that theory.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I just liken't think they're afraid to do that.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: The spy in general, you know, against the Browns, they
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: spied him a little bit. He threw a pick to
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: the spy.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Carson Sweschinger.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Was spying him and he threw the ball right to him.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Last week, I thought the Bucks had some successful downs
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: of like three man rush plus spy on Drake May
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: So I think that's gonna be it. Now, what how
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: do you counter that other than you know, the run game. Well,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: you got to remember that if they're dropping guys off
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage into coverage, you have like outside
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: linebacker defensive end types that are now covering in space.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: So last week. You know, the Bucks were dropping Anthony
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Nelson their defensive end. If you see ninety eight in coverage,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: like that's a guy. Yeah, the guy's wearing a number
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: in the nineties and he's dropping in coverage, it's probably
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: a good idea to throw the ball at him.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: So like that's forget Trey Flowers man in upon Bell
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: on third down.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like short zones, you know, picking apart the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: short zones and things like that can be helpful. You
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: mentioned the running backs. I want to talk a little
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: bit about that, and and tight end as well. With
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Austin Hooper's concussion, who do you think plays? What do
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: you think they do? They're obviously gonna have Henderson, They'll
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: probably have de Ernest Johnson up from the practice squad,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: So then it's just a matter of can either Remondre
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: or Terrell Jennings.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Go in right, So if you can have one of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: those guys go, you need three backs, especially against this team,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: you need three backs. So if one of those guys
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: can go, then you have Steven Center. And they were
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: both limited yesterday. Trayvon Henderson's a full participant, they're both limited,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: so they feel more fifty to fifty yep. You know,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: then I think maybe CJ. Dupree, and we've talked about
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: him being a blocking tight end and he gives you
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: something else on the line of scrimmage. Now, maybe there's
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: also just some more of Jack west Over playing traditional
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: tight end, especially if Tom is going to take his
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: job as full back. Where it gets complicated is if
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: both Jennings and Steven center out.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Right, they might have to ride with two running backs
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: for a game.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: Do you do that?
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Do you call to running backs off the practice squad
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: and ride with one tight end?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Do they maybe make a move at the back of
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: the roster for this game where they signed somebody off
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: the practice squad.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: They could sign Deeranis Johnson because he's going to be
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: out of elevations, so if they wanted to, they could
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: cut a player that hasn't been active. I don't know,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: Eric Gregory kden Rawll is something like that, who is
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: probably going to make it back to the practice squad
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: once they clear waivers. So you could do that and
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: then like sign Deeranis Johnson to the fifty three man roster,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: and then you have you basically have created three practice
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: squad elevations by doing that.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: That's if both those running backs can't go, Jennings and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Stevenson can't go, then it gets a little more complicated.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so running back, I think that that's possible. Tight
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: end I think is interesting. C. J. Dupree has been
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: here since training camp. He's been here all season. Is
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie signing. It's been here since May. So
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: in theory, you would think that he has the edge
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: in terms of maybe getting elevated. They do have another
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: practice squad tight any him.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: No, they can't elevate. It's he's the international guy.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they'd have to sign him to the roster. Yeah,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: got it. Okay, so they can only out elevate dupre Uh.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: He could be elevated. They could go six o line
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: in this game, like they could use Vederian low Er
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Marcus Bryan as an eligible tackle.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Well, they could do both, like you might. You know,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: you might need dupre up just have the depth. I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: don't mind having Dupree up because he's a good blocker.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: And if the one thing that you're going to miss
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: the most from Austin Hooper, it's his inline blocking, and
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: that's what Duprees also.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Is that's his m O.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: I've seen some people bring up, you know, do you
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: go essentially four wide receiver and use Mac Collins as
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: a tight end, which.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: But if but if Booty doesn't, so I guess Kyle
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Williams would play right on the other.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: But I think you can do that in some situations.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: I think we maybe see a little more four wide receiver.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Also or you know, three wide receiver that's missing.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Is Matt Collins a better blocker than Hunter Henry?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: So I meant it like four wide receivers probably a
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: bad way to put it. You meant through eleven personnel
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: where it's kind of twelve personnel. Yeah, or if like
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: somebody asks, like what if Henry gets hurt?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: But like there's all you don't want to take Mac
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Collins out of his normal responsibilities too much because he's
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: been good in those. So I do think you need
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: you just need another body at the position. And Duprez
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: pretty much the only guy that can do that.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we have a lot of emails about you know,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: kind of resting guys and maybe you know, given some opportunities,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: some guys that haven't been active, you know, or Brandon Swinson.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people want to see him.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: I still think and you know, again, this is maybe
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: my little stitious side coming out. Yeah, Like I don't like,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: let's not get cute, all right, Like this is a
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: game that they should easily win. Is a bad Jets team,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: they should roll. Like I'm not saying play guys that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: are hurt obviously, right, but if guys are healthy, then
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: like they should play.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: No, this is not Week eighteen. You've already locked up
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: a prece.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Agreed, so that that's where all those things are at.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: A couple of emails here before we wrap it up,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: we got five more minutes. This is an email from
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Okay Anakin on Tato Wine. Nice joke. I like it
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: is Carlton Davis the most disappointing free agent pickup this season.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: I want to make a judgment call, but it seems
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: like he's getting burned week after week, especially in the
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: end zone. So I actually thought Carlton Davis was pretty
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: good in this game. The touchdown that he gave up
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: was on an extended man coverage rep where Baker Mayfield
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: like five or six seconds, you know, and extends the
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: play outside the pocket that has two weeks in a
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: row come up. You know, he gave up a twenty
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: five yarder to Drake London on an extended man coverage
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: rep so you could get on Carlton Davis. A lot
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: of people getting on Carlton Davis. I come back to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: the same thing I said the other I think it
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: was last week with Carlton Davis. It all depends on
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: what your expectations were of Carlton Davis coming in. If
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: you thought that they were getting too number one corners,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: then maybe it's our fault. Maybe we hyped up Carlton
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Davis a little bit too much. Maybe it's your fault
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: for thinking that I'll take some of the responsibility. Maybe
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: it was us, Maybe we hyped it up a little
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: bit too much. He is a really good number two corner,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: which is what he's being asked to do here. Number
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: two corners should not be expected to go out there
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: and shut down their assignment.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Everything, especially when you're opposite a guy like Gonzalez. I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: think people are annoyed with the volume and how much
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: he's being targeted. It's because Gonzalez is on the other side. Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: and teams don't want to throw him. So, you know,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I think he's been fine. He's definitely been a little
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: underwhelming compared to what I expected about that he's been
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a bad player.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: No, I feel pretty okay about where he's He's been fine,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Like there's been some ups and downs, but I'm not,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: you know, totally mad about it. This is a question
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: from Caid. He asked, are you concerned about the fact
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: that we have the Patriots have a negative DVOA despite
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: being eaten too. So the DVOA, you know, obvious see
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Aaron Shatz's stat now, you know on FT and fantasy.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: It's just like a catch all efficiency metric, kind of
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: like your team's like war essentially like in baseball DVA.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: I like the stat. I've always liked the stat. I
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: particularly like the stat because it's schedule adjusted, so it's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: opponent adjusted based off of who you've played. The Patriots,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: I think, are in overall team DVA are like seventeenth
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: right now or something like that, so the middle of
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: the pack. They aren't great. This to me is probably
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: a product of DVA. I think they had a cupcake schedule,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: so a lot of their impressive wins, like you know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Carolina Tennessee Cleveland. They're not going to get huge bumps
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: out of those games.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: Their schedules not just easy, Like it's so much in
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: terms of strength to schedule in terms of opponent's record,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure DVA takes an account more than that. Yeah,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: it's like pretty far down compared to the next closest team.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: That like just be a case of an analytic being broken.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I think, No, I'm not worried about the Patriots. I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: did not know it was negative until right now.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I figured the only reason why I'm not
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: worried about it, and I'm not worried about any of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, I was right seventeenth. Uh is Drake May?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Like what's Drake May's DV.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: If this was twenty twenty one and it was Mac
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Jones with a good defense and propping it up and
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: he's kind of just a system quarterback, I would say
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  Speaker 2: this is probably a little bit of a paper tiger.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that you have an MVP quarterback pulling the
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  Speaker 2: trigger makes you feel a lot better about where they are.
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  Speaker 2: I think it doesn't really do it, Like that's more
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  Speaker 2: of a team efficiency metric. They have defense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's the passing devo good like tenth or something.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, that's yeah, So d y A R
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  Speaker 1: is like yards. We're doing replacement now great asking.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a difference stat All right, here's the last
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  Speaker 2: one I wanted to get to.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I said, Uh, more relevant than the
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  Speaker 1: great who do you got? More?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: This is from my former college roommate. Okay, he asks,
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  Speaker 2: what is your score prediction for the Cordica Jug this
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  Speaker 2: Saturday this week? So both Alex and I are proud
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  Speaker 2: in the college alums and the cord Could Jug is
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  Speaker 2: Ithaca's big rivalry game. It's Ithaca versus Cornell. Called it Cortland,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: I said, Cornell Courtland, Ithaca versus Courtland, the Cordica Jug.
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  Speaker 2: It called that game in fifteen, very like historically big
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  Speaker 2: game in the D three college football landscape. I'm also
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  Speaker 2: need them kid. I grew up in need h Them,
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  Speaker 2: So Needham Wellesley and Itha Cortland is like those are
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: two of the bigger, like small rivals.
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  Speaker 1: They called Cordica the biggest little game in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the nickname for the rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: So who do you have? Don't look it up? Don't
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  Speaker 2: look at like where they're at you this is.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to find which year I I called
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: the game. If you want to see still to this
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: day of the wildest ending I've ever seen a football game.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Look up twenty fourteen quarterca ending. You know I know
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: that is, to this day the wildest ending I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Shutout of any longo on the call, I'm gonna go, ah,
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking about thinking about it. Yeah, I'm thinking whether
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  Speaker 1: or not I want to pick Courtland. I think pick Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going I see all right, I'm gonna take Courtland.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the hometown team. I will never
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  Speaker 2: forget fourteen. We don't have a ton of time here,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: but twenty fourteen really quickly. H the opponent was lining
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  Speaker 2: up to kick a so.
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  Speaker 1: On the Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: I was next your points.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: I was right now.
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  Speaker 2: Now we only have like ten second it Thick.
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  Speaker 1: Is up by three. They kicked the ball off with
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  Speaker 1: about a minute a half to go.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm talking about just the one play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no Courtland comes down the field. They're setting up
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  Speaker 1: to kick the game time field goal, seventeen seconds left,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: no timeouts. Holder doesn't come on the field. Backup holder
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  Speaker 1: runs on botches the snap, peels away from two defenders,
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  Speaker 1: hits the third string right tackle on the back one
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  Speaker 1: of the end zone for the game winning touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Game. Yeah, and you seen me in the replay right there.
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  Speaker 2: Like a muffed extra point or a muff field goal
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: situation turns into a game winning touchdown. They also, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was twenty fifteen, my graduation year, they gave
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  Speaker 2: up like a hail Mary bomb to lose the game.
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  Speaker 1: No, that was the year before the crazy one. Those
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it was one of the years I was in college.
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  Speaker 2: They've had. They had some big game.
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  Speaker 1: They were they were three years in a row, the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: three years that I called the game, and then one
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: year they lost on like a ridiculous safety.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, we got to wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered
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  Speaker 2: will be live in ten minutes. Rob Gronkowski, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: get time to talk about this. I'm sure we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about it on PU signing a one day contract right
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  Speaker 2: around twelve to fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: To or a three favorite Gronk play, one headed catch
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  Speaker 1: against Denver touchdown super Bowl forty nine.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, So Gronk twelve to fifteen Patriots Unfiltered
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  Speaker 2: at noon. I'm sure we'll carry the Gronk Presser live.
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  Speaker 2: That should be a fun one and we'll see you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Then. Hey, this is Alex.
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