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BPS 432: Making Your Own Damn Movies: Inside Dave Campfield’s Troma-Fueled Filmmaking Path · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 6: On this episode, my guest plays Caesar in the comedy
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  Speaker 6: team Caesar and Otto. He hosts the Truemanow podcast, and
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  Speaker 6: he also was a filmmaker himself. We also talk about
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  Speaker 6: he will go into a college that no longer exists,
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  Speaker 6: which again, as you know, I probably find really funny,
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  Speaker 6: not the fact that he went there and it doesn't exist,
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  Speaker 6: but the fact that the college, you know, the college
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  Speaker 6: doesn't exists anymore, because you know, we talk about all
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  Speaker 6: that stuff that we talk about, the worst on set experiences,
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  Speaker 6: including when someone pulled a knife on a first a
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  Speaker 6: d and we talked about getting to work with trauma,
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  Speaker 6: creating his own movies, finding an audience, tons more stuff.
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  Speaker 6: This is a really awesome interview about going out there
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  Speaker 6: and just doing it yourself and finding all the ways
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  Speaker 6: in different connections, and you never know what's going to
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  Speaker 6: happen with guest Dave Campfield.
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  Speaker 4: Actually we got two Daves right here. It's going to
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  Speaker 4: become like that Chieftains Shong sketch. Hey, Dave's not here, man, No,
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  Speaker 4: it's me Dave, your guest Dave. Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, same to you, buddy. Is it snowing where you are?
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I.
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  Speaker 4: Haven't looked at the window today. I'm not gonna lie
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  Speaker 4: to you. Oh I'm a bit of a shut in.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, same here, man.
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  Speaker 6: I just kind of look at my window from time
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  Speaker 6: to time, being like, oh, that's what it's doing outside.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Actually I have a huge window right in front of me,
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  Speaker 6: but you can't see it because we're on a podcast.
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  Speaker 6: But but I swear it's there.
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  Speaker 4: We could swear a lot of things there. That's the
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  Speaker 4: beauty of podcasting. You know. I'm talking to you from
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  Speaker 4: the Shuttle Tiberian out of space and yeah, welcome to
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  Speaker 4: the podcast today.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's great, man. I mean I could just
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  Speaker 6: make up anything too, you know, it's great. It's my
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  Speaker 6: My supermodel wife is actually going in the kitchen right now,
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  Speaker 6: making me some lunch.
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  Speaker 5: So it's great.
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  Speaker 4: You have a supermodel wife. I do too.
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  Speaker 6: It's great, man, it's great. Oh it's a small world.
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  Speaker 6: Both named Dave, both had supermodel wives. It's great, man.
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  Speaker 4: And both those podcasts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah both, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 6: Well we should just make a new show called Dave
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  Speaker 6: and Dave and every week we just come on and
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  Speaker 6: just just whatever whatever stream of consciousness, every any lie,
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  Speaker 6: any whatever comes off the top of our head. No
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  Speaker 6: one would know the truth either way, and they can
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  Speaker 6: kind of like figure out, you know, what are ryan about?
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  Speaker 5: What's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: This is very psychedelic. Let's get back to reality for
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  Speaker 4: a second here.
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  Speaker 6: So, so, Dave, I wanted to have you on the
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  Speaker 6: podcast because we actually met again to the magic of Twitter,
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  Speaker 6: and you host your own podcast, you're a filmmaker and hey,
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  Speaker 6: you know what, you have an awesome first name.
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  Speaker 5: So I figured, you know, why why not, you know,
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  Speaker 5: have you on? We could talk about all this good stuff.
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  Speaker 6: We were kind of you know, missing each other so
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  Speaker 6: to speak, because I know we we trying to make
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  Speaker 6: our schedule sync.
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  Speaker 5: But you're on now.
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  Speaker 6: So so that's why I wanted to have you on.
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  Speaker 6: Also because you know, we both you know, watch a
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  Speaker 6: lot of Troma movies. We both know Lloyd Kaufman. He's
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  Speaker 6: actually been on the show as well. And it's just
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  Speaker 6: you know, again small world. So, you know, just to
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  Speaker 6: get started, Dave, we're going to ask you know about
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  Speaker 6: your whole career and how you got started in the
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  Speaker 6: film industry. And also something really cool you do too is, Dave,
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  Speaker 6: you do what I've been starting to move this podcast
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  Speaker 6: to do, and that is you actually make movies at
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  Speaker 6: the same time do the podcast. You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Like you're actually out there doing stuff at the same time.
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  Speaker 6: I actually haven't made anything since I started this podcast,
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  Speaker 6: which is crazy. But this in your episode one ninety eight,
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  Speaker 6: so it's kind of crazy, man. But so I wanted
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  Speaker 6: to just to get start at the beginning, and that is,
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  Speaker 6: you know, when you finally started making your own films.
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  Speaker 6: So just to start us at the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: Did you did you go to film school?
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  Speaker 4: I went to a college that doesn't exist anymore. They
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  Speaker 4: went to the College Santa Fe in New Mexico, and
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  Speaker 4: I went there because it was the only film college
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  Speaker 4: in the United States, the think college the United States
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  Speaker 4: that had a film studio on campus, so parts of
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  Speaker 4: it basically it was they took their gym and they
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  Speaker 4: renovated it and they shot part of City Slippers there
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  Speaker 4: and other big films. So like I when you go
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  Speaker 4: into this massive facility and in New Mexico where this was,
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  Speaker 4: all of the houses and all of the architecture of
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  Speaker 4: the building is to code and everything looks like in
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  Speaker 4: a to be building. So yeah, I had this visual
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  Speaker 4: land of imagination between like the amber tones of the
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  Speaker 4: of the stand of the you know, there was no
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  Speaker 4: grass there. It was like it was like go to
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  Speaker 4: school on tato Wine in Star Wars. And the film
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  Speaker 4: college was was the renovated gym. I mean, the film
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  Speaker 4: studio was the renovated gym. And you could see and
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  Speaker 4: I'm being pointed to where they shot City Slickers. You know,
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  Speaker 4: this is where they shot at night time fire scene indoors,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like it was it was a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the exteriors at night were actually shot inside, even though
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  Speaker 4: like they were able to transform it into the into
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  Speaker 4: a grand vesta grand landscape. And I could see on
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  Speaker 4: the gone ground too where they shot City Slickers that
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  Speaker 4: the basketball court had still existed, the chalk marks from
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  Speaker 4: the from the the basketball court were still there. But
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  Speaker 4: the appeal of going there was really just to be
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  Speaker 4: able to witness filmmaking firsthand, and you know, I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: I was in school with people who went off to
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  Speaker 4: be pretty successful, like Rockland Dunbar was a classmate of mine,
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  Speaker 4: and now you can see him in a lot of things,
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  Speaker 4: from prison Break to he was in Kis Kiss Bang Bang.
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  Speaker 4: He's one of those guys you've seen many many times.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, back then we were both just kids
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  Speaker 4: and trying to fie on find a way. And I
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  Speaker 4: think college tends to be more about the experience you
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  Speaker 4: get working on film sets and meeting other people film
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  Speaker 4: college that it is necessarily even some of the stuff
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  Speaker 4: that you learn in the classroom because that you can
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  Speaker 4: learn hands on. And so that's where I got started.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I met a good group of friends that
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  Speaker 4: I continue to collaborate with over the years and stay
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  Speaker 4: in touch with. And my roommate and I were working
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  Speaker 4: on a production. We're trying to get a production off
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  Speaker 4: the ground, and he secured two meetings, two meetings, one
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  Speaker 4: with a New Line Cinema, one with Universal, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: this is ridiculous. For about twenty one years old. We
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  Speaker 4: got a meeting with these teen major studios. So things
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  Speaker 4: are looking good. The future is looking right so bright
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  Speaker 4: I had to wear shades and so we got the
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  Speaker 4: universal meeting, and I realized there was nothing to lose
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  Speaker 4: because right up front they told us, look, fellas, we're
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  Speaker 4: having this meeting, but to tell you the truth, we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to take your work, but we're interested in
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  Speaker 4: meeting you. Like, all right, Well that takes the pressure off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because however, we have no background. But we make our
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  Speaker 4: best pitch and it was a good meeting and at
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  Speaker 4: the end of which we realized we weren't going to
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  Speaker 4: get anything out of it, maybe other than a contact.
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  Speaker 4: When we went to New Line, that's when the pressure
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  Speaker 4: was on because it was a somewhat i'll be a
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  Speaker 4: tiny chance that they can look at the script and
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  Speaker 4: hire us to make and we got We got prepped
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  Speaker 4: by like an entertainment lawyer that was a friend of
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  Speaker 4: a friend, and they were giving us all the pointers
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  Speaker 4: that you have to sing in your big production meeting.
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  Speaker 4: And he was telling us when you guys go in,
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  Speaker 4: what they want to hear is that you're young, you're
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  Speaker 4: from the streets. You've got a story to tell, and
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  Speaker 4: you've got a dark coming of age comedy, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and and like that the stuff they like in the past,
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  Speaker 4: like Gross point blank or Heathers or stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: Just tell them that's the language they speak. So we're
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  Speaker 4: going to the New Line Cinema meeting with Matt Alvarez
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  Speaker 4: and so Fellows tell us, tell us what you got.
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  Speaker 4: I said, Hey, what, Matt. Where we're young, we're from
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  Speaker 4: the streets. So we're telling a story from heart, a
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  Speaker 4: dark comedy sort of like you know, like a Gross
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  Speaker 4: point blank or like a Heather's. And there's a pause
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  Speaker 4: as he's sitting looking at us from across the table,
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  Speaker 4: and he says to us, you know, I have to say,
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  Speaker 4: this is all very intriguing.
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  Speaker 7: And that began at one of at age twenty one,
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  Speaker 7: like a year long relationship with New Line Cinema, in
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  Speaker 7: which it was the absolute character being dangled in front
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  Speaker 7: of the.
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  Speaker 4: Rabbit and being just out of reach. Because it went
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  Speaker 4: on like I would do little changes for them, and
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  Speaker 4: he Matt would respond and I would do another change
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  Speaker 4: and take a few months for him to respond again,
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  Speaker 4: and there was clearly in touch, but you know, I
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  Speaker 4: saw the writing on the wall. I felt like they
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  Speaker 4: were intrigued enough to keep me on the leash, but
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  Speaker 4: not intrigued enough to make that thing happen. And Matt
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  Speaker 4: went off to the one up producing all the ice
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  Speaker 4: Cube movies, and I decided that I was going to
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  Speaker 4: try to, you know, not become one of those people
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  Speaker 4: that get into that limbo of just waiting for that
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  Speaker 4: big opportunity to happen. You just had to make it
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  Speaker 4: happen on your own. So I began production on a
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  Speaker 4: on my own film called Under Surveillance, later retitled Dark Chamber,
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  Speaker 4: and my attitude going into it is I've seen a
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  Speaker 4: lot of indie film, like straight to DVD movies, and
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  Speaker 4: they tend to fit a certain pattern, and the kind
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  Speaker 4: of emphasis was on the murder, mayhem, destruction and following
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  Speaker 4: the paint by numbers plot, you know, and that's stuff
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  Speaker 4: that against so but that's what they do. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Like when you go into some of these movies, it's
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  Speaker 4: sort of like, Okay, the Friday thirteenth homage number two thousand,
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  Speaker 4: and I really wanted to do something different. I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to take I wanted to make it character based. I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to make it different. I wanted to surprise you,
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  Speaker 4: maybe more of a mystery thriller with some horror in there.
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  Speaker 4: And that was my attitude going into it. And after
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  Speaker 4: like five years for I spent five years on this,
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  Speaker 4: and the things went wrong. This documentary is online if
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  Speaker 4: you type in you know, the release title was Dark Chamber.
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  Speaker 4: If you type in making of Dark Chambers, you will
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  Speaker 4: see everything that could go wrong in five years, because
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  Speaker 4: it usually does. When you're making a film. It's amazing
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  Speaker 4: how many things could go wrong, especially you just don't
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  Speaker 4: because you're always cutting quarters, you're always compromising, things are
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  Speaker 4: always you know, money is not on your side, so
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  Speaker 4: you're constantly working around issues. And so I spent that
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  Speaker 4: time making this, and I was so happy that I
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  Speaker 4: made a film that, as I see, broke the conventions
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  Speaker 4: of the genre. And I'm proud of my little the
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  Speaker 4: young self, and like I go to the studios, I'm
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  Speaker 4: like here, and then their response is we wanted something
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  Speaker 4: that was more familiar, like a sun image. I thought,
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  Speaker 4: like I, you know, so all of those times when
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking at these movies is because they're incouraged to
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  Speaker 4: be familiar and they're encouraged to follow the same things,
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  Speaker 4: and character matters less than does hitting certain beats, of
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  Speaker 4: of course, and other marketable elements. And I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: make that kind of film, but a couple of companies
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  Speaker 4: said we were interested, and what I went with was,
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  Speaker 4: can't most pictures lash Hakarama And he told me right
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  Speaker 4: off the bat, I like this, but to get it
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  Speaker 4: into the marketplace, we're going to have to sell it
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  Speaker 4: as a horror. And at that point, all right, do
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  Speaker 4: what you have to do. And yeah, I got it
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  Speaker 4: to Netflix, and you know, people were expecting saw when
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  Speaker 4: they saw a cover with the pentagram carved into the
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  Speaker 4: back of the of the actress. There was no woman
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  Speaker 4: in the movie who got the pentagram carved in her back,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe they made the film look so gory, and
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  Speaker 4: that was simply what they felt was going to make
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  Speaker 4: it viable in the marketplace, and at the same time
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  Speaker 4: it changed the expectations of the audience. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: if I had this perfect marketed as a film with
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  Speaker 4: the property, like if it was called under Surveillance and
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  Speaker 4: it had a cover that thoroughly that thoroughly representative film,
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  Speaker 4: maybe ten people would have seen it. So that's the
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's the trade off. I guess. If you
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  Speaker 4: if you have a film that doesn't have big stars
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  Speaker 4: and and it doesn't have a content that that looks
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  Speaker 4: like a standard horror, people who's interested? You know? And
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  Speaker 4: and why why see that one? Hollywood's presenting the bigger
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  Speaker 4: budget equivalent to that same thing, with more production values
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  Speaker 4: and more polished so you know, the you live, you learn,
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  Speaker 4: and that was that was a very educational experience. And
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  Speaker 4: from there I began doing my comedy hars because I
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  Speaker 4: want to be different in the marketplace and I want
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  Speaker 4: to tell I also want to tell stories that I miss,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: the kind of story and and the Caesar Nino franchise,
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  Speaker 4: you know, shut it off with Summer Camp, Mascure, Deadly
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  Speaker 4: x Mess and Paranormal Halloween are their comedy horror saptires
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  Speaker 4: wearing you lampoons the genre. And I hadn't seen like
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  Speaker 4: these real comedy horrors other than you know, the scary movies,
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  Speaker 4: but something more kin too Abad and Gustol Met Frankenstein
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  Speaker 4: and those crossover movies where you have two doofy comedy
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  Speaker 4: characters and and they're in the middle of of this
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  Speaker 4: of of a horror film, you know genre they have
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  Speaker 4: no right being in, but somehow when they are, and
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  Speaker 4: it's a lot of fun. And that has sort of
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  Speaker 4: been the path I've had, And more recently I got
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  Speaker 4: into the Truman Now podcast, which was simply Lloyd appeared
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  Speaker 4: in one of the season and out of films and
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  Speaker 4: I saw him at a convention and I said, Lloyd,
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  Speaker 4: Who's Do you have a podcast? You know? He he
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  Speaker 4: noticed me, even though at first he was like, who
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  Speaker 4: are you. I said, oh, Dave, I write to you.
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  Speaker 4: You remember, Oh god, Dave, I'm sorry, sir. And he said,
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  Speaker 4: there's nobody. There's nobody. We want to do you one,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: but there's nobody doing it. I said, I want to
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  Speaker 4: do one. We'd really want to do your podcast. I
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  Speaker 4: think I could, you know, we can have some fun.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, yeah, talk to Levi and they gave
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  Speaker 4: me like some contacts and then we wound up. We
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: wound up making this thing happen. You know. Basically, they
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  Speaker 4: give me a little bit of notes before each episode
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  Speaker 4: and then I send them a final product. They approve it,
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  Speaker 4: and they put it up and They've never yet denied
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  Speaker 4: an episode I've done. You know, I could be like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we don't like this, you know, because I tease trauma
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  Speaker 4: a lot in the podcast, and they're always game with whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and that they've been a wonderful company to collaborate with,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: you know, just because of the freedom that they give you.
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  Speaker 4: And coming next year, you know, like you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm hoping. It sounds like Lloyd's going to be the
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  Speaker 4: first guest of the new year and possibly two part episodes.
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  Speaker 4: So we will we will see about time we got
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  Speaker 4: them on there. It's just podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, it's it's it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of like, where the hell is he?
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  Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's gonna be there's a from Board Game.
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  Speaker 4: Where's Lloyd. Yeah, he's wearing the striped shirt and the
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  Speaker 4: glasses over in the corner in the adult bookstore. So he's, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's set to come on and uh, there's I
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  Speaker 4: haven't actively been making films since I've done the podcast. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, I had another show
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: that I was hosting and I had to go on
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: hiatus while I while I made the film. Well, I
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: made my last feature, so it is definitely difficult to
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: juggle podcasting and filmmaking. It is because like if you're
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: doing if you're filmmaking and you're taking wearing a lot
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: of hats, you tend to you tend it tends to
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: become your life, you know, for that period of five months,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: six months a year.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's so true.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: And just trying to get everyone's schedule to sink and
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: all that good stuffy.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Now I focus on my writing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: When I say I haven't made anything so I started
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: the podcast, that means I haven't actually produced anything, you
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: know what I mean, other than just just focusing on
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: this and and sort of trying to get some stuff
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: off the ground.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: And just just to make it. But but next year,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I'm dead set.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: I'm actually I was actually going to make something this
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: year and just kept getting pushed back just before.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: You've got a day.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, right, I got a data to come
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: up with this. I actually was next year. I actually
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: have already like put the groundwork in now because I
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: haven't made anything, Like I haven't directed anything in a
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: long time, just because of you know, oh well, I
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: mean people who've listened to this podcast.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: No, I've talked about it ad nauseam.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: But basically I want to start doing something next year
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: and just getting back on the horse, so to speak,
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: or getting back on the wagon or off the wagon or.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Whichever wagon it is.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: But but you're making just making sure I'm actually doing
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: stuff now, Dave. I just want to actually backtrack just
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: a second here, because you mentioned something that that I
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: really took note of, which is that the college you
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: went through doesn't exist anymore. Did it just lose all
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: its funding and it couldn't operate anymore?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: No, apparently I did it. You know, I went there
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: and they're like, man, when it's going to close the
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: doors in this place? And it was, it was. It
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: was a small school. I was one of the thousand
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: students went there. And I think some of these privately
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: funded schools sometimes have a hard time staying afloat unless
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the you know, the tuition is egregious, and you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and it was, and so I, you know, I had
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: been other ten years. But when when they when they
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: had closed, and you know, it's funny, is like the
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: college like was military barracks at one point, so it
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: was like World War two, it was rather our our
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: mess hall or what do you call our lund was
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: originally like military barracks from the Second World War. I'm like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: this is a hell of a place to go to school.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: So I think they just actually just became another college.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: They just you know, gave it a cosmetic gloss and
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: turned into another school with less of an emphasis on film.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: With this whole I was talking about college and stuff
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I remember when there were a couple of years ago,
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Sweetbriar College in Maryland was going to close.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 20:03
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• 20:06
  Speaker 6: And Mark Cuban actually said, see this is the beginning
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: of the start of the college apocalypse where all these
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: small colleges are going to close.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: And I think he's.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Absolutely right, Like so once he so I actually looked
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: at all the college closing for like the past like
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: twenty years, and like the most I think I ever
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: saw like on that line, I think was like nine
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: or ten. But like even the college I went to,
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I had an awful college experience, by the way, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: I just I still don't understand, you know, why I
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: even went to college. But and I still, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: everyone tells you you have to have that degree, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: I went.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: For one year, Dave, So that's that's my whole college
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: experience and the rest of the time and I left
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: specifically to pursue this and do it on my own.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: So my mind's not a traditional college experience. It's a
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: very short one.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Well see, but that's the smart idea though, is go honestly, man,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: I've known people who've gone for a day. I've known
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: people who have gone for a year or two and
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: then they said, look, this isn't for me, Like I
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: don't get it. Like I struggled through, you know, all
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: the fluff, bullshit classes and got at the end got
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: that degree, and then you find out it means absolutely nothing.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, what was the point of
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: all that? So, you know, because if everyone has a
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: bachelor's then what does it actually mean? So it's almost
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: like and then now you know, anyways, I'm gonna get
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: off on the top of that high red anyway. So
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: what happened? So with that, you know, I've actually so
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: so when you actually were going to pitch and when
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: they talked about you know, things like you know, hey,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: you know, we want something familiar, you know, I you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: I have a friend of mine who actually pitched a
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: different way. And what he does is when he goes
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: into business meetings, he just says a lot of business
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: buzzwords and it's worked out damn.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Well for.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this much did Are you still there?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: It sounded like there was a little blip, I'm here, okay.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: So years ago I was in California when when we
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: were on the same pitch and by the way that
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: these were for this was for a different movie, the
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: film and a pitch to new Line. But when we
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: were in California, we we got together with another friend
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: who got a million dollars and he was saying that
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: his whole method of securing this money, as he would
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: go to a meeting, was he was a scam artist.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Not that he didn't deserve the money, but like his
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: methods were, like what he's going to have his friend
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: buzz him on the cell phone in the middle of
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: the meeting and say that he has to take the call.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: It's from another investor. And he had all of these
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: little methods planned that would make the investors think that
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: he's more important that he is. And so sometimes there's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: tools of manipulation that are that are used, but I've
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: never been that guy. I really would like to think
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: of myself as on the level, realistic with who I
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: am when I'm capable of and that's it, and not
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: trying to turn myself into something I'm not. And for
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of people, that's how they get their money.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: You know, if I feel like I wasn't I couldn't
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: do something terrific, then I don't deserve it. And you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I continue with that philosophy of mind and if it
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: pays off, wonderful, and if it doesn't, whatever, I'm still
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: the person that I am and I'm still moving forward
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: and making films. And you know, even if something is
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: like this is a great experience just doing podcasts and
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: making indie films. It's nice and hopefully you get that opportunity.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Like I was telling you before we started recording that
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I I was interviewed for a History channel hosting gig
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: and it was a program and that was as a
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: result of staying the course. You know, I have a
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: friend of mine who's done very well and he says,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I like what you do, and I want you to
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: co host a program with me. I want you to
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: audition to a co host with foreign ed dish with
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: me maybe before I show that I was gonna be hosting.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Had I not been doing what I've been doing, that
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: opportunity wouldn't come through. So a lot of times you
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: have to stick to your gun if it's what you
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: really believe in, be willing to to knock to you out,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: but learn along the way and see where it all
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: takes you. And as a matter of fact, that show
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: did happen, and whereas I wasn't the co host, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: was involved with it and I had to like I
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: was one of the reenactors or whatever. This is cool.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: This is all bigger than the stuff I've done and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: the leads that led to more opportunities. So that's why,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: if you really believe in it, you get to stick
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: to your guns.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I find that, you know, and as we
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: talk about just going forward with the podcast and talk about,
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: you know, making movies, at the same time, I find
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: that you have to keep that momentum going because if
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: you stop, it's way too easy just to lose sort
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: of track of everything, A lose sight of everything, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: then suddenly you're like, oh shit, didn't I want to
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: do this by now, you know what I mean, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: it just it's kind of you got to keep that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: You got to keep on that as best as you
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: possibly can.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I've been working on a one script called Awaken the
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Reaper for about on and off for about ten years,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: so like. And it started off as just a fairly
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: generic horror film with a couple of cold twists maybe,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: and has evolved into something extremely personal. And I don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: think I've ever done anything this personal. And that's what
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I've been working on really for the last year, trying
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: to get you know, like fairly full time sure to
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: get this off the ground and find the proper budget
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: for it, because these seas are not of comedy movies
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I've done. They've they've done for you know, between six
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and ten thousand dollars, and I can't do this anymore.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I can't do films. I mean, they're wonderful expirencies for
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: the most part, but I can't keep doing films for
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: so little money where I'm getting criticized primarily because I
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: don't have money. It's an incredibly insulting, theorisipe insult to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: be criticized for. I have to show what I'm more
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: capable of on a bigger budget because you have With
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: a bigger budget, you just have higher production values, you
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: have more tools to play with, you have a wider
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: palette to paint from. And so what started off as
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: this generic film just really became the story of me
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: and how in the story hopefully of all of us,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: where we get to a lot in life, we get
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: into a place where we feel stock and you feel
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: like you can move forward, and you feel like every
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: day is you're not moving forward, and you're regretful of
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: past and afraid of the future, and that's I think
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: where a lot of us are. And I want to
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: tell that story about sort of getting out of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: way of your own fear within the context of a
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: very thought out horror film. And if I can make
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: this work the way that I'm imagining and hoping for,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: if I could touch people on a human level with us,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and it will make for a really unique car experience,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: because it's rare that a horror touches you on a
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: human level and feels real. And that's what I'm hoping for.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And maybe in twenty eighteen we'll really get to make
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: this happen.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: We'll find out, Yeah, you know, money is always that
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: magical thing, but you know, I always you know, now
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: I'm sort of working with the other way where I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: trying to sort of build it up where you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: I build it up again as we talk about the past.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm trying to build it up again to
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: the point now where you know, if I when I.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: Do go to an investor, whatever, I actually have a
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: body of work that's more recent. And I think that's
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: what that's an advantage you have. Again, here's your business
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: term unfair advantage. You know's what's the unfair advantage? And
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: I think that's yours. Is not only that you have
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: the podcast and also you have the body of work
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: and you could say, hey, look I've made this for
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: a few thousand dollars. You know, imagine what I could
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: do for fifty You imagine what I could do for
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: one hundred, and you know, everything would still be profitable.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Well profitable is harder and harder to accomplish these days.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: You just do the best that you can. And I've
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: aligned with Wildie Releasing has been a wonderful company for
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: me and I do a lot of work for them.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: They've released my last couple of movies. They just released
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: my compilation back if you do the Holiday Horrors, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Holiday Horrors Horrors DVD if you type it in, that's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: all of my Caesar Nano comedy horror films which they
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: just re released. And I've been able to to work
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: and work on other indie films and do some a
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff for them. And I've gotten to a
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: point where, you know, my films make something back then
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: will necessarily make their budget back. But it shows you
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: how difficult in this day and age, with with so
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: many movies being made, how how challenging is to make
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a profit. But it can be done. It can be done. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: And that's something too that I talked about too on
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: this podcast with all with at a ton of other guests,
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: is that, you know, with Sony movies being made, how
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: do you stand out? You know, how do you stand
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: out in any which way, shape or form, and how
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: do you get your movie seen? Now, so that sort
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: of becomes the new you know how the distribution method
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: and the marketing for that distribution method. Let's just say
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I decided to make a movie, I put it on
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: YouTube for the hell of it. I make a movie
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: this weekend you and I make a movie, Dave. There's
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: one one day left in twenty seventeen, So let's make
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: a movie. And you and I make a movie. And
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: we decided just to throw it on YouTube. It's a
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: short film, and you know what, we just say, let's
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: just keyword the hell out of it. Let's just hope
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: for you know, somebody discovered, you know, let's just hope. No,
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, let's let's be word. Let's just use it
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: as a plan of long tail keywords and that you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: as longer it's up there, the more.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Chance it has of being discovered. And we just sort
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: of use that method.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and now back to the show.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: And hopefully somebody stumbles upon it again. I keep saying hopefully.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I don't I don't like that word hope. I don't,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It sounds too much like
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: blind fake. But you know what I'm saying, like, that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: that's the way of distribution of marketing, and there's a
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: but there's a thousand other ways to do it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: It's all about trying to get the movie seen.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the uh, the most successful person that
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I worked with on YouTube was an actress named Lauren Francesca.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: She oh, I know her, No, she had a little
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: cameo in one of my films, and I was pretty
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: friendly with her for a couple of years there. We
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: did a lot, I wrote and directed and co starred
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: and a bunch of videos for her. But I found
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: what I think the key to her success was that
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: she understood YouTube better than I know anybody, better than
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: anybody I know, like, and she would show me science
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: of it and the keywords and this and that. So
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: it's two things, you know, do you have the content
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and do you know how to market yourself? And I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: made a film that should have gone I think Gangbusters
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: on YouTube, like because it was sort of made for YouTube,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: and it did okay, like people really seem to respond
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to it, but not that many people who have really
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: seen it overall, And it's because I don't understand YouTube
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: that well. Look at piggy Zilla, pigg y z I
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: l l A you like Godzilla? Do you like Guinea
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Pigs piggy Zilla And it's you know, like a bunch
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: of two minute shorts and they I thought it would
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: be more of a hit on YouTube because it's sort
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: of made for it, short, silly, it's got animals. So
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I got to.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Link that in the show notes. By the way, Dave,
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: I actually just looked that up real quick, so I
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: will link to that in the show notes everybody, so
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: we can check out piggy Zilla. But no, but the
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: uh But like I understand what you mean about like
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: stuff like that, because I actually, you know, I as
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: I've gotten more to YouTube. I actually have a friend
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: of mine who runs one of the top YouTube channels,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: not like it's like the top one percentile, and unfortunately
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: he doesn't.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Do much with it anymore.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: And I've always said, like give it, you know, give
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: it to somebody who could actually use it, and he
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: he just won't won't give it up.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I mean it just kind of sits there, rotting away.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Which is how how often does the post videos? Uh?
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Not very often at all.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: And by that I mean like probably once every six
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: months at most. And I mean like, I mean honestly,
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: I've had him on the podcast and and we actually
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: talked about that, and it's kind of like this where
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: you know, he wants to he wants to make content
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: for it, but he wants to maybe a certain kind
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: of content, and it's just it takes time to make
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: that content and then it's just it's everything sort of
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: keeps going into the back burner.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: So it's one of those situations.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: And but uh, I keep telling him, I said, you know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: you could be making a pretty good amount of money
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: every month from this thing if it was just constantly
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: have being the monster was.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Of course, there are people who make livings off of YouTube,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: and to make pretty good livings off YouTube, and that's like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to me unfathomable, but it can be done, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: so by all means, tell me there's the reason to
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: tell you the truth. The advantage of doing the Trouman
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Now podcast instead of the Dave Camfield podcast is that
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I come out on their channel and they already have
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: it built in in fan base, and I know their
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: content and I like them personally, so uh, you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: teaming with with somebody who's already established themselves and given
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: them product that they're that they like is always a
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: win win. Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: And also too, when you do the Truman Now podcast,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: it's you know, it's branding and and and honestly, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: I that's so.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Important because you know, people know what trauma is.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: You know, maybe I would go back and I changed
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: the name of this podcast because like guys like Alex
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: Ferrari of the Any Film Hustle podcast, you know, Any
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: Film Hustle just kind of rolls off the tongue and
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: you kind of can envision what it is. You know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: you hear my name, you hear this podcast?
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: What the hell? Who the hell is Dave Bullets? And
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: then too, I don't even care who he is, So
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's the reverse.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: It's almost like that guy just met. Once you've done
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: a podcast with the brain name, then you've got your
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: own name, because what would Lloyd be without Trauma's Trauma
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: came and then people knew Lloyd. So it's sort of
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: like you have to come up the brand name, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: then you get known for your brand name.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Where were you three years ago when I was doing.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: This cull it the Bullets? Your name suns like bullets, right,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you gotta use bullets, film, bullet film man, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: like it's just something something bullet because you know, you
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: had a cool kind of you got a cool edge
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: to your name. So oh thank you, yeah, absolutely, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: uh yeah, let me just have to well too late
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: now Dave, you got to you gotta stick to you
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: today Bullets podcast.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I know we're one hundred and uh, we'll
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: actually we're over two hundred episodes. Now you're you're one
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: ninety eight. But we've actually recorded the other other couple.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: So now I'm a prequel.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're you're actually yeah, so so the through the
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: magic of podcasting, you're actually the prequel to to the sequel,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: which hasn't released yet.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Wow, we're shooting out a sequence here. I like it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just like a a sequest.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Oh man, it's just you know, and and for everyone listening,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: you know, if you're gonna start your own podcast, if
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: I if I can just give you it really quickly
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: before we get to talking about you know, Dave and
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: all this stuff he's up to, I want to just say,
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna start a podcast, here here's my recommendations
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: for right now. The name has to really be unique.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: The the the it has to you know, roll off
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: the tongue, and but it also has to do with
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: so people can win to hear it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: It envisions what they're going to be listening to.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: The format has to be you know, obviously around the
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: the round, the idea of what the core of this
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: is gonna be, and you can make it short, you
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: can make it long as long as it's always in
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: tune with that idea. And I mean there are some
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: podcasts I listen to that are five minutes and it's like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: that's exactly how long it should be. And there's podcasts
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: that I've listened to that are, you know, an hour,
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: hour and a half, and that's exactly how long that
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: should have been because they're they're telling like a murder mystery,
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Like there's story type of
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: podcasts where which have gotten pretty pop. You're on like
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: you know, My American Life and MPR and all that
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: good stuff.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: And and then and then you have the other stuff.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: So always, you know, because I think the interview podcast,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: I think we've kind of reached like max interview podcasts,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: even though this is an interview podcast, but like you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Mark Maron's WTF, Adam Carolla's, you know, Joe Rogan's podcast.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: I think that the more you can stand out, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: the better it is. But I think the reason you
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: stand out, Dave is again you have that unique angle
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: again unfair advantage of going with trauma. And also, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: you sound like a radio host. Like like I said
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: before the pre interview.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Thanks well, I thank you, Dave. Maybe I should push
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: it a little more and become the exaggerated radio host.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: But I was gonna say that when you talk about
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Mark Maren and a lot of these guys just get
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: got started on the when the when it was beginning,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: when when podcasts were really beginning, they got in. And
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: then if Mark Maren tried to come out of nowhere
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: right now, maybe he wouldn't have that luck. It probably wouldn't,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to tell you the truth. So it has a lot
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to do with when he started. He sort of pioneered
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: the you could say podcasting in general. So as one
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of the first he you know, he thrived. So it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: almost like we have to for we have to see
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: where where the next evolution in uh in me is
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: going to be and get in on the ground level,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: you know, which is what a lot of these guys did.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: They saw where the industry was going, or at least
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: took a gamble on it and got it at the
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: right time. So yeah, that now is a million podcasts.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Now is a million podcasts. It's very it's harder for
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: us to stand out.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very very very true. Man, it is just getting
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: in that ground floor then just dominating the industry. What
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: is dominating that niche?
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: You know, when Maren started, it was just in its
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: early days and now he's up to what like over
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: a thousand episodes, and you know the same thing with
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: like Joe Rogan and and Corolla.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: And that's why.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: When a new podcast comes out, they usually have a
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: ton of marketing money behind it. Like what some of
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: these other podcasts that have done well or are doing
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: is because they just have a ton of marketing and
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: they don't market to the traditional way because again that
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: would be foolish. They are, but they market speifically on
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: social media. They market it's all direct marketing.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: It's no more.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: It's like there's hardly any permission based marketing or anymore.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: And it's all basically you know what I mean.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: So, so I want to tell you something that my
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: friend Ethan Wiley, who he's a he's a filmmaker, has
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: made a lot of fun films you might have seen before.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: He made made The House Movies one and two. He
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: made Children the Courrent five. He's done a lot of
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: things and he told me. The problem with hosts these
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: things is that it's almost like having a billboard in
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the jungle. It's like you're surround. No one will see it,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: you know, no one will know it's there because there's
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: so much around us. And it's hard in a world
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: where where you know one out of ten people and
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: make it a guess. Well, like, so when people have podcasts,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: how do you get seen? You know? I have another
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: podcast that do occasionally. I've toil one episode called Production Hell,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: and that's all about the trials and tribulations of indie filmmaking,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: like really getting to the nightmare stories, so what couldn't
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: go wrong and what has gone wrong on film sets.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I made one episode and it's you know, it's not
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: even that one hundred listens, you know, because there's nothing
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: you know. I don't promote it, but it's nothing, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: no buzzwords that people are are tapping into. People aren't
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: finding it, so you know, Therefore, I stick with the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Troma app podcast until people really get a sense of,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: you know, my style, and hopefully check out whatever else
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: I like that, by the way, Production Hell, that's that
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: is a really good good idea for a podcast.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: It's on zad claud find a one episode.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: It's almost like you will be a good podcast is
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: something like that where you have like two people who
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: fell out during the filming of a of a film.
• 39:57
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• 40:03
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• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Like like like the director, producer or the dolt two
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: directors or whatever, and you bring them on there and
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: you almost view that as like a kind of like
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: a film court where each guy gets to tell the
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: side of the story. That would be interesting, man, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: there's a thousand and one things that I you know
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: what I mean, like on film sets where I've had
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: people draw like friendships have ended on a film set.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: I've had people on this podcast where one has the audio,
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: one has the video. You know, even you know what
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, stuff like that that would should be cute.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I have I have somebody a new in college who
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: pulled a knife on his production assystem or something like
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: he so things have things have gone down seriously wrong?
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Why why did he pull a knife on him or her?
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Did you get it? It was her to my understanding,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: there was a fight about and probably maybe it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: an assistant director. So one was a director, and the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: assistant director was probably saying that she's leaving you. She
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: doesn't take this makes sense, he doesn't want to do
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: it anymore, and yeah, apparently this is bad. This is
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: as bad as a film argument can go. So there
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: are countless stories about all of the things that can
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: go wrong, and also I have catless stories about things
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: that could have gone right if things were just have
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: happened a little bit differently, like I'll tell you, I'll
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: tell you this story and maybe, well I'll leave it
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: at this years ago, you know, I think what was
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: nineteen and I dropped out of college and making my
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: own film. And a friend of mine is doing boom
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: mic on a little indie film in New Jersey and
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: he's telling me he's got my script and he's pitching it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: He's showing it through a couple of people on the
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: set and they responded to it. I'm like, okay, cool, cool,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: and tells me about one actor that sounds promising. You know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: I really think you'd be good in this role. But
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I'm talking to this other guy. He's not really big yet.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like okay, but he seems to like the script.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: So far. He says, Wow, this is dark. I'm like, okay,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: tell me who is he rent this film? And I
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: had he had me rent this film that he had
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: a little cameo in a little comedy from Universal Literal,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know if this guy's really
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: right for anything in this movie. He's like totally. It
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: is a total disconnect. No, I don't Yeah, I don't
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: worry about pursuing him. I don't think it's a good match.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: That actor's name was Ben Fleck, and I closed the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: door on Beneflex before he became Beneflex, and the film
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: that they were shooting was Chasing Amy. Another one that
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: really defined him, and the film that I looked at
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: it from his was Malrats. If you look at him
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: in Malrats, you know it's very particular. He's not at
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: his best and he's not he didn't he's not what
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: he became. He's fine, but you know, there was no
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: frole for him. So I mean, what's the truth. I mean,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: if I said, yeah, this guy's great, I mean, it
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: probably would have fallen part anyway because he would have
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: gotten too big and like you know, we would have
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: lost touch. Like it's the same thing that happened with
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: my new line cinema experience. But but still to think
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Benefleck was reading my stuff and saying this is cool.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I like it, and before he became famous, is pretty funny.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's that's the door to close.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just funny. With Maul Rats.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: I remember that Kevin Smith told a story about Maul
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Rats when he showed it to uh, Rob Rodriguez and
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: Quentin Tarantino, and he said, you know, what do you
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: guys think?
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: And they were like, oh, you know, I think you
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: went a little too much. I mean, he said. Both
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: of them just kind of looked dejected.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: And then when he made chasing Amy, he said both
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: of them like, all right, now you found your mark again.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Great, good job.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Once once one is like true Kevin Smith, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: the other one sort of like Kevin Smith's frowning a
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: piece of studio. You know, you sort of lose your core,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: like it, lose your uniqueness, your distinctness, and and you
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: know it's great that he got to I'll tell you truth,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I think up the game, you know from you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: uh Clerks was very raw and very true to Kevin's
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: style and voice and mal Rats was sort of I
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: guess I alluded sort of like, hey guys, you like this,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: and then chasing Amy's kind of looking more but sure
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: not that mature but more mature version of his of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: his voice, and you know, you see, you know, tothic evolution.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: And I met Kevin Smith. It was the funniest, It
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: was most bizarre circumstance because I really so badly wanted
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: him to see you see like one of my Caesarada films,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: because he could think, wow, this is a kind to
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Jane and silent Bob in their own way, like and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: and so I have been trying to get in touch
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: with him, might try emailing. Nothing worked, nothing worked. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: one day I'm on a flight to California to do
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: some reshoots on Caesarado's Didley Xmas. And I looked at
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: my right in Son of a Bitch. He's coming out
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: of the airport terminal. He's he's he's going through bag,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: he's going through he's putting his stuff on a conveyor belt.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I see a hockey jersey, a beard, and a baseball
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: cap on backward. I'm like, that's fucking Kevin Smith. I've
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: got something like what do I do, and I had
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: my I had my Summer Camp Masacre movie in my bag,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: like and I heard him recently talk about sleep Away
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Camp like on a podcast, and he was in my
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: film Summer Camp Spooh, sleep boy Camp has got the
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: actress from sleep Boy Camp, My good friend Pelissa Rose,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: she's she's in there, like okay. Uh So I wore
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: a sachet over to him and I said, can I
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: pay you a compliment? He's like, yeah, sure, man, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: want you to know I you're probably the best verbal
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: storyteller I've ever heard in my life. And he's like, oh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: thanks man. You know well, no, I'm no Jeene Shepherd,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: he says, because you know, I always though at that
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: verbal storytelling is my best gift, because God knows my
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: films ain't worth the shit, Like, oh my god, look
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: at this modesty for a success story, a pure success story.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: And at one point I say to him, you you
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: like the film Sleepowy Camp, right, remember that eighty slasher film?
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: He says, yeah, Sleepot Camp for the girl with a face.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: And I said, I have I made a spoof for
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: that film. Look and I used the same actress. Is
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: it no shit? Man? Like, yeah, yeah, I have in
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: my bag. You want it, sure, man? And I rode
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: up with my bag. I'm like, I'm like, oh my god,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I can't believe this is going so well. And I
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: run my bag and I had to him it was
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: just like just released and shrink wrap, and I said,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: you know, like if you ever had a chance to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: see it, you know, just email me, let me know
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: what you think, you know, And so we give it
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: to him. A few weeks later, I my friend tells
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: me he hears on a podcast that he mentioned the
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: whole interaction. And on this podcast, on the episode called Cannabis,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: he's talking about like how he was in an airport
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: and ran into a guy that was because they were
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: talking about Sleepway camp, and like he just retold the
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: whole experience. So I'm like, wow, you remember, I don't
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: think you ever saw the movie, because I later heard
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: him say that people gave him stuff all the time,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: and it goes into a pile of stuff I'll watch
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: one day when he when he's sick. So it's somewhere
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: maybe in the middle of that pile. And by that point,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: you know, like you know, you're always going as a filmmaker,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: so it'd be like looking at somebody's early really early work.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: So that's uh. And incidentally, that film Summer Camp, which
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: you could see on YouTube, but like it was put
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: on YouTube legally through the first distributor. It was the
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: first movie of have an actor named Trey Buyers. I cast
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: him like, I like this guy. He was an Italian,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: it was an Italian role, but this actor is African American.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: He's got great personality, he's got a great presence. Liked
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: him a lot. Now Trey stars on Empire. So I
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: have this I have this ability of like casting people
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: in their first role and they come to become famous.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: And then I never talked to him again because Peter
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: skin of you know, my first film, Dark Chambery stars
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: on Law and Order now, so I basically my films,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: my first two films cast one of the stars of
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Law and Order and one of the stars of Empire,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm still a nobody.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Well then there you go.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: You find people who are going to become big. So
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: that's that's your gift, Dave. So that way, I want
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: to encourage every actor now just to shoot their head
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: shot and everything else and then you can find out. No,
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: I'm just kidding, but uh no, no, but seriously that
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: is cool though, you see you meet people before they
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: become big. And you can't say it again because one
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: of the podcasts, But I actually have a Kevin Smith figure,
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: a podcast figure. I actually saw it one day. It
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: was like on sale and I decided to get it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: So it's actually him with the beard. It says, puck
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: you on there, and he's got a microphone in his hand,
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: and it's actually just just in front of my desk here.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: It's one of my three figures in front of me.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: But it's just really really cool that you got to
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: meet him like that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, of all, it was almost like I would
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: say Stemine intervention, except for nothing came out of it
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: so other but he did plug, he did he did
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: mention it on the on the podcast, So it was
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: it was a little gift from heaven, you could say.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: So was there anything Was there anything else that you
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: wanted to touch on regarding because I know, like if
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: you really talk to somebody, it's a podcast that goes
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: on forever and people are on the patience for that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: But was there anything that that Elsie were interested in
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: terms of what I was up to h.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Well, just just you know, well two things I know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: I know we are running out of time, but just
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: two things before we before we sort of say goodbye.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: Just just creating, you know, a Caesaron auto and just
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: making films that you do right now, you know how
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: you know, so basically you know, you had to have
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: a time framement of all this stuff in play.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: So you know, we're a lot of these films.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: You know, when you were starting out, did you do
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: you self financed like the first couple of Cason autos,
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: and then you shot it and then you just started
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: shopping for a distributor. And I mean, now do you
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: have like sort of like a set plan in place,
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: Like they come they say, hey, Dave, you know, are
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: you making something else that we can just put you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: just put out.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: The first Caesar or At a film came about this way.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: So when I when Chakra i'ma released Dark Chamber, Uh,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Mike Rosso, the head of the company, asked if I
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: had any uh, if I had anything else that I
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: was working on, and I said, I had this film
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Awake in the Reaper and he said, no, that sounds serious.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I want to a comedy, comedy, horror.
• 50:02
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• 50:08
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• 50:11
  Speaker 4: And I said, that thought occurred to me. I had
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: made a seven hundred dollars feature film called Caesar and
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Auto and it was just about us two dufeball you
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: know characters, and I was insitaneously imagined, like an Abbocco
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: stole me fraktic side, what if I put them in
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: a horror film? Ah? Okay? So And then I was
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: spitballing right off the top of my head. I said, Mike,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: what about you know, Cacarnado in a horror film, maybe
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: like a summer camp film. You know, I know the
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: star sleep Boy Camp. Maybe I can talk her into this.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: And it's a you know, Caesar Nando and a summer
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: camp Masacer and and he says, right. I took thirty
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: days I wrote it and he they approved it. They
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: gave me a little bit of money to make it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: And then by the time that it was made, like
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: I showed him, rough guy, we all love this. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: then by the time it was to release it, like
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: the it was the DVD in Pploy where everything they
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: were selling was less and less, especially comedies, And by
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: the time they were releasing it. It's like Dave, the
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: whole market's falling apart. They had released a few comedies
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: back and back and they all lost money. He says,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So I don't know really what we're gonna do with this.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: We might shelve it for now, put on a compilation DVD,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: like here's your money back. I'm going to find another
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: home and I you know, and that's what we did.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I found another home for it. It did better than
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Chakarama would have anticipated. And then from that distributor, I
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: went to another one we did in Deadly Xmas, which
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: was you know, finance between a friend of mine and I.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: And and then lastly with Paranormal Halloween, it was mostly
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: funded through Indiegogo. You know, at that point there had
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: been enough traction from the previous films to give the
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: audience an idea of what they were going to get
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: and and you know, I offered a lot of perks
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: that I think they enjoyed. Uh, And that helped as well.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so that's kind of you know again, like
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: you you sort of as a touch off the beginning
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: of this podcast, you have that that that it's almost
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: like a method and or plan in place where you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: you can do the podcast, you get your name out
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: there still and then you're still doing the films.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: And I think that's important now.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: Is you have to have almost like a pre existing
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: fan base, you know, you know what I mean with
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: a lot of this stuff now, because if you just
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: go out cold, it's kind of it's a it's a
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: lot harder to only be make people aware of it,
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: but also just to sort of get the attention of
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: you know, the right piece.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Well, my fan base is small but intense. I'm mean
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I can rattle them off on two hands, so you know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: like name by nips. But but it's you know, it's helpful.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: It's very helpful that they're out there too, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: to to champion this stuff. And without them, I probably
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to do any of this. Really.
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like they say, a thousand true fans that's
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: all you need.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Well, it's lotless than that. Maybe one day here, one
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: day a thousand we be good.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: So, Dave, just in closing, I know we've been talking
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: for about fifty minutes now, but just in closing, is
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: there anything we need a chance to discuss or anything
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: that you want to say right now, just to put
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: a period, and at the end of this whole conversation, yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Follow me on Twitter. I'm gonna be doing an interview
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: with Lloyd coming up. So if you have a question
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: you would like me to ask Lloyd at me and
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: uh help but bro hopefully bring it up and yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: just you know, you can see my work cut IMDb,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: get an idea of what I worked on. If you
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: have any questions, you know, anybody canna be up on Facebook.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I'm always receptive to answering questions and all of.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: That, and I will into all that in the show
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: notes everybody. Everything that Dave and I talked about at
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: Dave Bullus dot com. Twitter, it's at Dave Underscore Bullets.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: The podcast is at dB podcast. David Campfield, I want
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: to say thank you so much for coming on. Man.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: Then last thing you called me David Camfield. Wait a man, No, no,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: that's not a problem. But get this, it's an uncommon name. Clearly,
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: David Camfield, Dave Camfield, these are not everyday names. Not
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: John Smith. There's another David Campfield out there who wants
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: to be an actor. Son of a bitch. Both of
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: us want to be actors. Both of us are actors.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: He was in movies, I was in movies. And it's
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: very confusing. So if you IMDb David Campfield to get him,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: you IMDb Dave Camfield to get me. And when it
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: comes to unions and gets even more confusing, all right,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: you can take David, I can take Dave. So there's
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: another David Camfield out there, and he's an actor of
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: all things. I can't believe it. So yeah, yeah, we're
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: friends with each other.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Oh that's good because there's another Dave Bullis out there,
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: and he actually has a Twitter, Dave Bullis, because I'm
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: my Twitter's at Dave at Dave Underscore Bulls. So I said,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: on one day, I said, Hi, I'm Dave, and I said, listen,
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: I think it'd be better for you if we just
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: kind of like swap Twitter names. And I said, you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: if there's something I could do to help you out,
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: I said, because people were killing him, they were tweeting
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: him all the time, and finally he, you know, he
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: finally responded back like I'm not that Dave bull as
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: this guy blah blah blah, and finally he blocked me
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: one day and I said, like, I tried to help
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: you out here, man, like he had like twenty followers.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Now he doesn't even use Twitter anymore. And but yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: he ended up blocking me all because he got angry
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: people we tweeting at him looking for me.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Well, that's an impractical response people this. You know, there's
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: at least one percent of the population that's completely unreasonable.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: So he's one of those. So wonderful talking to you,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: fellow Dave and podcasting. Yeah, hopefully, Well we'll be speaking again.
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: I'm sure we will, man, trust me, I'm sure our
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: pets will cross at some point.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: But where where are you from? By the way, what state?
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: I'm in Philadelphia, which is Pennsylvania.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Well not too far. You know. I just edited a
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: commercial for the Philadelphia Pet Expo, so coming up you'll
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: be able to see dogs and cats looking together in massysteria.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: So actually, seriously, I do I do some uh, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: do some part time editing on the on the side
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: and editing get Philadelphia Pet Extras one of my gigs.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: That's that's the fun thing about being a freelancer.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: It's where are you in Jersey?
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: No, I'm on Long Island?
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Oh Long okay? Cool? So so it is not snow
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: when you are.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Probably no, you you can let me now. It is
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: how it's snowing though. I just as I said, I'm
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: kidding when I said I haven't looked at the windows today.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Oh it's a.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Problem, it's it's it's actually just stopped. Actually during this podcast,
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: the snow has actually stopped.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: It's not doing anything anymore.
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: So uh, probably don't by way, But I've already I've
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: already been outside many times already just to push it
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: all out of the way.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm gonna go do that now.
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: So anyways, just just to get the rest of it
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: out of here. So Dave again, it's been a blast,
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: and thanks again for coming on. And yet well I'm
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: sure we'll talk soon.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: head over to the show notes at Bulletproofscreenwriting dot tv.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Forward slash four thirty two. Thank you so much for
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: listening to guys. As always, keep on writing no matter what.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: I'll talk to you soon.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at Bulletproofscreenwriting
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