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March or Die - “You Can’t Out-Give God” | Biblical Finances and the Real Reason to Get Your Money Right · LifeAudio

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Speaker 1: Life Audio. You know, God gives men dreams to do things,
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Speaker 1: but every one of those things fell short because the
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Speaker 1: resources weren't there. Well, I remember we had just enough
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Speaker 1: money to go to church and gas, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: know what I was going to do the next day. Well,
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Speaker 1: we go there, and some lady just, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know who she was, came up and surreptitiously just dropped
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Speaker 1: $ 10 in my wife's pocket. And at that time, that
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Speaker 1: bought us enough gas to do what we needed to do.
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Speaker 1: And there is nothing more satisfying than just laying down
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Speaker 1: money to provide what you know is a need and
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Speaker 1: a good need for people who need it. And God says,
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Speaker 1: try me. You know, there's not any time where God says,
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Speaker 1: test me. But he says in this, test me and
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Speaker 1: you will see.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the March or Die show. Glad
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Speaker 2: to have you joining us again today. And this is
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Speaker 2: the show where we do our very best every single
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Speaker 2: episode to give you both the principles and perspectives you
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Speaker 2: need to march when it would be easier to stay
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Speaker 2: where you are and die. And today is really episode
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Speaker 2: two of a conversation that we began last week with
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Speaker 2: David Holland. David, thank you for continuing this conversation with us.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jeremy. It's a pleasure to be on. I always
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Speaker 1: enjoy talking to you and your fine audience.
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Speaker 3: Our fine audience. We do have a fine audience.
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Speaker 1: We do. You have the best.
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Speaker 3: Some of the smartest in the world.
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Speaker 1: That's right. I'll back that up.
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Speaker 2: We started talking last week about really a lot of things,
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Speaker 2: but financial stewardship and kind of the whys behind even
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Speaker 2: investing in precious metals and those kind of things. You
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Speaker 2: are the founder and president of Alpha Omega Gold.
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Speaker 3: And man, great conversation, helpful conversation.
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Speaker 2: We talked about having peace and what that looks like
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Speaker 2: and why that's important and why we should be good
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Speaker 2: stewards of the financial resources that God gives to us.
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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of us get this wrong
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Speaker 2: as Christians, just I would say maybe like philosophically, we
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Speaker 2: just have the wrong philosophy or general operating knowledge of
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Speaker 2: why we should be good stewards. And so we talked
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Speaker 2: about that last week. For those that didn't watch or
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Speaker 2: listen to that episode, go and check that out. But today,
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Speaker 2: continuing this conversation, and I'd really love to talk today
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Speaker 2: about just some basic principles of stewardship. So someone hears this,
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Speaker 2: maybe last week they were with us. Again, we talked
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Speaker 2: about this last week, but I say last week, the
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Speaker 2: last episode, which we recorded about 15 minutes ago, but
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Speaker 2: it came out last week, right?
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Speaker 3: Time flies. Time flies. All right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But as we talked about that, you look at the
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Speaker 2: world around us and all the things that are happening.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy. And it's funny.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to my dad about this last week.
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Speaker 2: In the past, I've been able to keep track of
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Speaker 2: what's happening. There's a war going on, and that's the
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Speaker 2: big thing. There's a financial issue going on, right? The economy,
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Speaker 2: that's the thing. There's politics.
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Speaker 3: There's this. There's that. It seems like everything is happening
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Speaker 3: all at once right now. And so overwhelming. Overwhelming. and confusing.
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Speaker 2: And again, as we discussed, my response sometimes to that
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Speaker 2: is to just say, fine, I'm just going to grab
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Speaker 2: what's mine. I'm going to pull it in close and
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Speaker 2: just hope it all works out somehow. That rarely ever
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Speaker 2: works out. But certainly when it comes to finances, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't work out. And I think people do maybe now
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Speaker 2: more than they have in.
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Speaker 3: The last 10 or 20 years.
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Speaker 2: Want to understand how to take care of their finances,
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Speaker 2: how to invest, how to steward over those things, even
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Speaker 2: if it's just taking care of what they have, but
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Speaker 2: need good principles. And there are books, there are very
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Speaker 2: popular speakers and radio hosts who talk about how you
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Speaker 2: should handle your money. We've talked about one of those,
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Speaker 2: which you can talk about. So a lot of different
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Speaker 2: perspectives and it gets very confusing. And so again, even
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Speaker 2: when I'm trying to do my best, it can be
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Speaker 2: overwhelming and I can just say, forget it, right? And
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Speaker 2: step back and not do anything. So I'd love to
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Speaker 2: get your thoughts, some basic financial stewardship principles for Christians,
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Speaker 2: things that we need to hang on to. And I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you have a big five, a big 10,
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Speaker 2: a big one, whatever it is, where do we need
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Speaker 2: to start and how do we walk this out?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is where the rubber does meet the road
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Speaker 1: for Christians. Like, At the end of the day, I
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Speaker 1: think last episode we mentioned the parable of the talents.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, if God's setting everything
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Speaker 1: in motion and he and Jesus uses the parable of
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Speaker 1: the talents for a good stewardship of like, what are
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Speaker 1: you doing with what I'm giving you, was the overarching principle,
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Speaker 1: even though that one specifically was about money. It comes
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Speaker 1: down to that. And I think where we've struck a nerve,
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Speaker 1: and in a good way, I think, with a lot
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Speaker 1: of Christians is, you know, a lot of Christians, you know,
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Speaker 1: whether they go to church or not, a lot of
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Speaker 1: them give, they want to be helpful. They want to
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Speaker 1: service with the funds and the money that they have.
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Speaker 1: They want to like, okay, how can I do this?
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Speaker 1: But when I bring up the ideas, like, well, if
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Speaker 1: you can't take care of yourself, let's just say, you know,
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Speaker 1: the U.S. dollar did a nosedive and, you know, China,
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Speaker 1: who is currently setting up a gold alternative and basically
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Speaker 1: what they call the gold road, which they're going to
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Speaker 1: soon encourage all countries to trade with them in their
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Speaker 1: own currency in the yuan, but they're going to have
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Speaker 1: it settled in gold because no one really trusts China.
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Speaker 1: But if China has a vault that says, hey, I
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Speaker 1: can take this pile of Chinese money and I can
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Speaker 1: turn it into gold, hey, that sounds better. And so
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Speaker 1: they're trying to make that play for what the U.S.
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Speaker 1: dollar currently holds as the world reserve. But if you
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Speaker 1: and I were to wake up one day into a
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Speaker 1: world where the dollar was no longer king, we do
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Speaker 1: not have a context for that. I was not raised
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Speaker 1: by my grandfather. I was raised by my parents, but
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Speaker 1: I happen to live very near to my grandfather, who
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Speaker 1: was a good bit older than me. I think he
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Speaker 1: had my father when he was older, and he was
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Speaker 1: a child of the Depression and fought in World War II. Well,
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Speaker 1: he lived his life in that depression mentality where he
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Speaker 1: saved everything, where everything was set. I mean, you talk
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Speaker 1: about it, it was useful.
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Speaker 3: It had a use.
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Speaker 1: I could probably use it later. We lived on a ranch,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was a ranch owner and he had
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Speaker 1: retired and always had to use for things. But, you know,
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Speaker 1: and so I, I've gotten some of that into me
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Speaker 1: and I saw in the, in the culture that we
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Speaker 1: lived in, that was a really bad way to live
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Speaker 1: because everything is flying by you really quick. Everyone's taking
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Speaker 1: out loans. Everyone's maximizing the potential of the, atmosphere in
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Speaker 1: which they live at the time of what they lived
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Speaker 1: and so you know my grandfather did okay but he
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Speaker 1: wasn't he never like invested for that kind of world
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Speaker 1: well that world flourished from you know the 70s 80s
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Speaker 1: up until i would say even now where we're seeing
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Speaker 1: stock market at all-time highs but based on, you know,
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Speaker 1: the simple biblical principles of, you know, don't be a borrower, right?
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Speaker 1: Be a lender. And, you know, if you were a borrower,
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Speaker 1: there is going to be a slave to the lender. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of talk to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: if your house, it's an increasing asset. I get all that.
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Speaker 1: Like there's obviously stuff. Most of us have credit cards.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm beginning to think if you don't have
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Speaker 1: a credit card, you're in trouble now because there's so
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Speaker 1: much fraud on a debit card system that you really
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Speaker 1: need a credit card to protect yourself. So I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: finding that out here lately personally. But the idea is
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Speaker 1: that the dollar reserve king system that has served the
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Speaker 1: entire world where we were able to live our lifestyle
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Speaker 1: and our standard of living and basically export inflation around
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Speaker 1: the world is drawing to a close. And that's why
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Speaker 1: you're seeing higher prices everywhere. That's why inflation is a concern.
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Speaker 1: And what people aren't ready for is what does that
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Speaker 1: world look like afterwards? And as Christians, if our main
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Speaker 1: goal is to be of service in the kingdom and
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Speaker 1: do kingdom ministry, kingdom work, how are we going to
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Speaker 1: do that? You know, if our money is no longer
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Speaker 1: good or we don't have the lifestyle or the systems
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Speaker 1: in place to protect ourselves for when that time comes.
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Speaker 1: You know, right now, if you see a homeless person,
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Speaker 1: which I mean, there's one, there's probably 20 every block
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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles because I walk to work and
8:27
Speaker 1: neighborhood's not too bad, but it, you know, it can
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Speaker 1: be iffy. And, you know, I could stop and offer
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Speaker 1: every one of them, you know, a peanut butter sandwich
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Speaker 1: and it would probably help their day. But if you're
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Speaker 1: in a place where you're just trying to help out
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Speaker 1: your neighbor and you've got a little extra change in
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Speaker 1: your pocket, you know, what if you woke up one
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Speaker 1: day and the things and the tools you use to serve,
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Speaker 1: whether you give offering at your local church or, you know,
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Speaker 1: sponsor a missionary overseas or something like that, help out
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Speaker 1: a food pantry. What if those things didn't work? And
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Speaker 1: what if your tools that you lived a life by
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Speaker 1: were no longer functional and we would have a really
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Speaker 1: hard time wrapping our brains. It would be a very
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Speaker 1: rude awakening. And so I feel like part of what
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Speaker 1: Christians need to prepare for is what does it look
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Speaker 1: like in America? We've adjusted to different social changes. I'll
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Speaker 1: just leave it there without getting too deep in the
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Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Social changes in America, and we've adjusted as
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Speaker 1: a church, which when I grew up, those were things
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Speaker 1: we never talked about, but suddenly they're the law of
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Speaker 1: the land. So we've adjusted well. how are we going
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Speaker 1: to adjust when our currency fails or the stock market
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Speaker 1: crashes a bunch because AI is kind of a pipe
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Speaker 1: dream and the Chinese can do AI much cheaper than
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Speaker 1: we can. And all those valuations aren't really real. And
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Speaker 1: your stock portfolio goes down the tubes and suddenly you're like,
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Speaker 1: I don't feel as rich as I used to. And
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Speaker 1: maybe my mortgage, I can't buy a house. Basically, how
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Speaker 1: do we prepare for the transition time that I believe
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Speaker 1: is coming on America as Christians? And I think using
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Speaker 1: the sound principles of sound money that are found inherently
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Speaker 1: in the Bible of saying, hey, this is a unit
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Speaker 1: of measurement. This is a gold shekel or this is
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Speaker 1: a gold ounce. And, you know, what's odd and not odd,
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Speaker 1: if you've done this as long as I have, is
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Speaker 1: you look at an ounce of gold, look at an
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Speaker 1: ounce of silver, roughly, and outside of a few outliers
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Speaker 1: like the Hunt brothers in the 80s where they tried
10:21
Speaker 1: to corner the market and there was a physical play
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Speaker 1: and a paper play. And there's a lot of manipulation,
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Speaker 1: which we won't have to get into here. But generally
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Speaker 1: over time, and you take that timeline and you stretch
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Speaker 1: it out, an ounce of gold will buy the approximate
10:35
Speaker 1: same thing year over year over year. So as things
10:39
Speaker 1: cost more, they always use the fine Italian suit. So
10:42
Speaker 1: back in the 30s, an ounce of gold would buy
10:45
Speaker 1: you a fine handmade Italian suit, 35 bucks. Now we're
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Speaker 1: coming to about $ 4, 500. If you're a fine handmade Italian suit,
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Speaker 1: an ounce of gold will buy that for you. So
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Speaker 1: that level of purchasing power stays intact. Now, gold and
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Speaker 1: silver typically will buy a lot more When you're in
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Speaker 1: those transitionary times, when people are offloading assets, think of
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Speaker 1: like post-World War I Germany, the Weimar Republic, seeing all
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Speaker 1: those pictures of people with wheelbarrow loads of dollars. Like,
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Speaker 1: this is a buy a loaf of bread. And in
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Speaker 1: those times, people are offloading assets and gold and silver
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Speaker 1: by much, much more than they normally would. So those
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Speaker 1: are opportunities that people can capitalize on. But because of
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Speaker 1: a debt-based system that we have, and we don't have
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Speaker 1: to go down the hole of the Federal Reserve and
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Speaker 1: all of that, but we have created a debt system
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Speaker 1: that it only has to expand to stay in existence.
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Speaker 1: God never created that. That, to me, is a thief.
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Speaker 1: They say inflation is a silent theft. If you were
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Speaker 1: to take 100 years ago, or let's just make it easy.
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Speaker 1: Let's say 40 years ago, you would take $ 100, 000 in
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Speaker 1: $ 100 bills and put it in a safe. And at
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Speaker 1: the same time, put $ 100, 000 of gold into that same safe.
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Speaker 1: You know, 40 years later, we've opened both of them up.
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Speaker 1: One of them is going to buy a lot more
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Speaker 1: than the other one because the value of the dollars
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Speaker 1: have lost their purchasing power over time where gold has increased.
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Speaker 1: But really what you're seeing is that gold is staying
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Speaker 1: the same and the dollar is just losing its purchasing power.
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Speaker 1: So that is a unit of measurement that I believe
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Speaker 1: absolutely God created. And it's universally recognized, universally understood. So
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Speaker 1: Good principles, to me, start with sound foundation of how
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Speaker 1: do I prepare for what's coming? If we stay here,
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Speaker 1: we're going to die, so we have to march. We
12:38
Speaker 1: have to march toward the future with a plan of economically,
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Speaker 1: how am I going to be useful to my neighbors?
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Speaker 1: How am I going to bless my church? How am
12:48
Speaker 1: I going to help out? And how am I not
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Speaker 1: going to be the inverse, which is basically a drag? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're not a heavy-duty prepper family. Again, we live in
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Speaker 1: a big city, but we have extra water filtration stuff.
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Speaker 1: We have extra food, even though it probably wouldn't last
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Speaker 1: that long with, you know, six children in the house.
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Speaker 1: But we have a little bit of that because you
13:09
Speaker 1: never know if there's going to be an earthquake, is
13:10
Speaker 1: there going to be a power outage and things like that.
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Speaker 1: So there are preparations that you should make. But there's
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Speaker 1: also a thing you have to prepare for, which sometimes
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Speaker 1: is not like, do I wake up when the power
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Speaker 1: goes out? Do I have enough food? Well, that's an
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Speaker 1: immediate need. But what happens if you know, the crumble
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Speaker 1: starts in, I don't know, 2026. And, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: crumbling all the way to 2028 and it's a slow crumble.
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Speaker 1: And suddenly you wake up one day and you realize, man, I've,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've missed my opportunity. Getting prepared now for
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Speaker 1: what you see in the future, I think is something
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Speaker 1: that Christians really need to get into their Bible and
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Speaker 1: kind of parse through and see what does God approve of?
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Speaker 1: What does he say is a good way to do this?
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Speaker 1: And then what is ways that we do currently that's
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Speaker 1: probably you know, not long for this world because it's
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Speaker 1: a more break.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: I honestly, I think probably most people who are trying
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Speaker 2: to get through one pay period after another. And so
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Speaker 2: when you say we need to prepare for what is coming,
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Speaker 2: we can see it.
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Speaker 3: We understand it. We need to start getting ready.
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Speaker 2: Now we need to buy the right financial instruments or,
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Speaker 2: you know, buy precious metals or whatever it is. This
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Speaker 2: is the best way to get ready for what's coming.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people may agree to that intellectually, and
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Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I should do that. But I'm
14:33
Speaker 2: trying to get through this part of the month so
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Speaker 2: that I can get my next paycheck and then get
14:37
Speaker 2: through that part of the month. What do you say
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Speaker 2: to someone that is kind of in that in-between where
14:43
Speaker 2: I know I get it, I want to do that,
14:47
Speaker 2: but I can't? I think that would apply even to
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Speaker 2: people who.
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Speaker 3: Are charitable people. They have a heart of charity. They
14:53
Speaker 3: want to help others.
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Speaker 2: But I can't because I'm just not in a position
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Speaker 2: to do that. I'm struggling to get through on my own.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make it.
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Speaker 3: How do you, how do you have that conversation with someone?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we, we do. I mean, we have people saying
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Speaker 1: I'm on social security and disability and I only have
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Speaker 1: a small monthly income. How do I get prepared? So
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Speaker 1: that is a conversation we have. I generally will, will,
15:17
Speaker 1: this is where, you know, our, our kind of our
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Speaker 1: first leading conversation of, you know, I'll just pray about
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Speaker 1: it and God's going to take care of me. That
15:25
Speaker 1: is where that does come into play because there are times,
15:28
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to tell you, there have been
15:31
Speaker 1: many times in my life up until, you know, where
15:34
Speaker 1: I was just down and out. And I'm like, it
15:36
Speaker 1: was by the grace of God that I kept going.
15:38
Speaker 1: I was working hard. I was trying to provide, but
15:41
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything there. So those situations, I believe when
15:45
Speaker 1: you kind of just keep building on the principles, God
15:47
Speaker 1: will open those doors and But there's going to be
15:49
Speaker 1: times everyone's going to be there. And I think, well,
15:51
Speaker 1: you know, most of us are going to be there
15:53
Speaker 1: if we're walking that way because God needs to work
15:56
Speaker 1: with us. But I would say, you know, take a
15:59
Speaker 1: good look at where you're at. You know, if you're younger,
16:02
Speaker 1: I talk to young people all the time who, you know,
16:06
Speaker 1: are in a position of like, well, you know, I've
16:08
Speaker 1: been to a couple of employers and I'm still in
16:11
Speaker 1: my 30s. I can't, you know, do whatever. And I say, well,
16:13
Speaker 1: do you have an IRA or 401k from a previous employer? Like, oh, yeah,
16:16
Speaker 1: I got like 20 grand. hey, that's a perfect place
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Speaker 1: to start. You can take that and put that in
16:20
Speaker 1: gold and silver. And you may still be building on
16:24
Speaker 1: your foundations, but that is a good way to start.
16:28
Speaker 1: Some people just have a small monthly stream that's like,
16:31
Speaker 1: I have an extra three or $ 400 a month. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it makes sense if you can maybe
16:37
Speaker 1: every two or three months, collect as much money as
16:40
Speaker 1: you can. Give me a call. We'll find something that's
16:42
Speaker 1: a pretty good deal at the time and I'll get
16:44
Speaker 1: it to you. And then that's something you can do.
16:46
Speaker 1: I have a guy who's, in his fifties and he
16:50
Speaker 1: has all of his assets paid for, but he has
16:52
Speaker 1: zero retirement. So he's a, I think a firefighter of
16:56
Speaker 1: wildlands firefighter or something. And he, um, he's great guy,
17:01
Speaker 1: but he, he just, he paid all this debt off
17:04
Speaker 1: and his wife and wife was a stay at home
17:06
Speaker 1: mom with the kids. And I think they did homeschooling,
17:09
Speaker 1: which is, you know, what we do. And I'm like, Hey,
17:11
Speaker 1: this all makes sense. He's like, I don't have retirement.
17:13
Speaker 1: I was like, well, cash flow it. So get a
17:15
Speaker 1: little bit of money together, send it. We'll get you
17:17
Speaker 1: some gold and silver and you can start stacking it. Personally,
17:20
Speaker 1: for my family, I have had a varied career to
17:25
Speaker 1: where I had had to use the retirement when I
17:27
Speaker 1: was younger to do start a business back in Texas.
17:30
Speaker 1: That didn't go so well when God was trying to
17:32
Speaker 1: get my attention. That was part of it. But nowadays,
17:35
Speaker 1: what I use is I just when things are better,
17:37
Speaker 1: I buy some gold and silver and I set it aside.
17:39
Speaker 1: And if I need it, my family has some needs
17:41
Speaker 1: that are unexpected. I take that and I can convert that.
17:45
Speaker 1: So gold and silver for me, our family acts as
17:48
Speaker 1: a savings account, a buffer, if you will. And I
17:51
Speaker 1: can keep it at home. I don't have to worry
17:52
Speaker 1: about if the bank's going to be shut down or not.
17:56
Speaker 1: But there are many ways to do it. And I
17:59
Speaker 1: would say just take a look at what you have often.
18:03
Speaker 1: there's only small times in our life when we're in
18:06
Speaker 1: a position to where we can't do anything, to where
18:08
Speaker 1: we're just like, I'm leaving it in God's hands. And
18:11
Speaker 1: that's okay. I am there. And I always tell people, look,
18:14
Speaker 1: if you need someone to talk to, call me. Or
18:17
Speaker 1: when things turn around, call me again and we'll see
18:19
Speaker 1: what we can do. So if you're in the position
18:21
Speaker 1: to where you can't do anything, have the extra time
18:24
Speaker 1: and pray. God will take care of you. He's not
18:28
Speaker 1: requiring you to bring really anything to the table. But
18:31
Speaker 1: if he's giving you something, That's when you have to realize, okay,
18:35
Speaker 1: how do I make use of what he's giving me?
18:37
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of that, but there's plenty of
18:41
Speaker 1: people and almost everyone has a little bit different variation
18:45
Speaker 1: on that. Some of them are widowers. Some of them
18:48
Speaker 1: are just the randomest type of thing you could imagine.
18:52
Speaker 1: I come across it. So I think there's an answer
18:55
Speaker 1: for everybody if we can kind of like go through
18:57
Speaker 1: maybe some of their history. So that's what we're here
19:00
Speaker 1: for is just to talk to people and see- How
19:02
Speaker 1: can they take advantage of what they can look at?
19:05
Speaker 1: And it takes a lot of the fear away. They
19:06
Speaker 1: can either just be at peace like, hey, I don't
19:09
Speaker 1: have a lot of options now, but I'm not going
19:11
Speaker 1: to worry about it because I feel okay where I'm at.
19:14
Speaker 1: And so that's what we want to leave people. I
19:16
Speaker 1: don't want them to leave with a sense of not peace.
19:19
Speaker 1: I want them to have a sense of, hey, I've
19:21
Speaker 1: done what I can do. I'm in a place where
19:23
Speaker 1: I can be taken care of. That's good.
19:25
Speaker 2: And I think one of the keys there, just like
19:28
Speaker 2: so many other areas of life, is getting help. You
19:31
Speaker 2: don't have to have all the answers. It is very complex.
19:34
Speaker 2: It is very confusing. And this has been a lesson
19:38
Speaker 2: for me, and I'm still learning it, is it's okay.
19:43
Speaker 3: Call it humility. Call it whatever you want.
19:45
Speaker 2: But you need to put more value in the potential end.
19:50
Speaker 2: the upside then you do the embarrassment that you'll feel
19:53
Speaker 2: for 15 seconds when you ask for help of people
19:56
Speaker 2: who are there to help you i mean that's that's
19:59
Speaker 2: the point too and so don't feel like you have
20:02
Speaker 2: to figure this out on your own and and again
20:05
Speaker 2: you know and i and i obviously endorse alpha omega
20:09
Speaker 2: one of the reasons it's funny so when we when
20:12
Speaker 2: we met we started talking about having these conversations and
20:17
Speaker 2: we talked about what we talk about and talked about
20:19
Speaker 2: your company and talked about what i do and how
20:22
Speaker 2: we do it and why and all those things because
20:24
Speaker 2: it's very important to me that if someone needs help
20:28
Speaker 2: they can talk to someone like you who's going to say, well,
20:31
Speaker 2: this is what the Bible says. This is the perspective.
20:33
Speaker 2: This is why we're doing this. Maybe that's not for you.
20:36
Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't do that. And helping the client or
20:41
Speaker 2: the customer is more important than kind of your bottom line.
20:45
Speaker 2: And so that is important. So find the right people,
20:48
Speaker 2: but also find someone to help you.
20:50
Speaker 3: And that's okay.
20:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it totally is. And I have those conversations
20:56
Speaker 1: all the time. People are halfway through and they're like,
20:58
Speaker 1: You know, I got to pray about this. I need
21:00
Speaker 1: a sense of peace. And so I'll generally ask, OK,
21:03
Speaker 1: so you've prayed about it. And then I'll say, what
21:06
Speaker 1: are your concerns? Because lots of times you with a
21:09
Speaker 1: lot of people, they have unanswered questions and maybe they're too.
21:14
Speaker 1: They're too– they think, you know, what is the old–
21:17
Speaker 1: the only stupid question is one not asked, right? And
21:21
Speaker 1: so they feel that way. It's like, hey, how do
21:23
Speaker 1: I do it? So I'll start asking questions like, what's
21:25
Speaker 1: really your concern? You're afraid you're going to send me
21:27
Speaker 1: your money and I'm going to run off with it.
21:28
Speaker 1: That's an okay concern. Let's talk about that. Where does
21:31
Speaker 1: the gold and silver store it if it's in an IRA?
21:33
Speaker 1: Or how do you ship it to me? Or, you know,
21:35
Speaker 1: how does all this work? If I get it at
21:37
Speaker 1: home and the world melts down, how do I use it?
21:40
Speaker 1: I can't go to the store.
21:41
Speaker 2: Right.
21:42
Speaker 1: We talk about all that, like real questions. And so
21:46
Speaker 1: we answer those because those are real questions where people
21:48
Speaker 1: really are. And that's important at the end of the day.
21:52
Speaker 1: You need that clarity. And at the end of the day,
21:54
Speaker 1: clarity is, as someone said, clarity is currency. Like it
21:58
Speaker 1: gives you the ability to make decisions. And I believe
22:02
Speaker 1: that's what God intended. That's why we have the Bible.
22:05
Speaker 1: I mean, the old basic instructions before leaving earth, you know,
22:09
Speaker 1: the Bible acronym. it's what it's for. Like if we
22:12
Speaker 1: were just showed up here, if I just was born
22:14
Speaker 1: one day and if I didn't have the Bible, I
22:16
Speaker 1: don't think I really truly don't think I would be here.
22:19
Speaker 1: I think I would have faced too many hard things
22:21
Speaker 1: in life with no answers, with no clarity. And I
22:24
Speaker 1: couldn't take it, but the Bible is there to give
22:27
Speaker 1: us clarity. And then people who, use the Bible to
22:31
Speaker 1: understand things and in their relevant field, whether it's, you know,
22:34
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, financial things or talking about, you know,
22:38
Speaker 1: the hereafter, talking about death and life and children and marriage.
22:42
Speaker 1: And I mean, you name the subject, Bible's got something
22:45
Speaker 1: to say about it. It's not silent on anything. I mean,
22:48
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's AI. I don't care if
22:50
Speaker 1: it's technology. The Bible is always talking because it's an
22:55
Speaker 1: eternal thing that God gave for us. So, there's plenty
23:00
Speaker 1: of information for people, but don't be afraid. I mean,
23:03
Speaker 1: even like on Sunday, I saw a friend I hadn't
23:06
Speaker 1: seen since I left Northern California. That was six years
23:10
Speaker 1: ago in 2020. Really hadn't talked to him, really had anything,
23:13
Speaker 1: but he came and he preached at our church and
23:17
Speaker 1: he had a word for me. I mean, that's all
23:20
Speaker 1: I can tell you is that God knew what words
23:22
Speaker 1: I needed to hear and he was there and God
23:23
Speaker 1: had told him what to say and he prayed with
23:26
Speaker 1: me and like I got what I needed because I,
23:30
Speaker 1: I needed someone and I need people and God sends
23:33
Speaker 1: people to me that I need. So he sends me
23:35
Speaker 1: to people that need what I have. And he sends
23:37
Speaker 1: people to me that need what, what I need and
23:39
Speaker 1: they have it and, and everyone. And that's, that's that
23:42
Speaker 1: whole point of the body of, of Christ is that
23:45
Speaker 1: everyone's like, I've got a different strength and a different
23:48
Speaker 1: gifting and they all come together to, to, to take
23:51
Speaker 1: care of one another. And that's, that's the beauty of it.
23:53
Speaker 1: And that's what we want to service is whatever part,
23:56
Speaker 1: you know, we are, We want to help with that
23:58
Speaker 1: and help it faithfully. That's awesome.
24:01
Speaker 2: I think one of the other important reasons, we've touched
24:05
Speaker 2: on this, but one of the other important reasons to
24:07
Speaker 2: really get your hands around financial stewardship is generosity. We've
24:13
Speaker 2: been called by God to be generous. And I think
24:16
Speaker 2: sometimes we see that as kind of a leftover, if
24:19
Speaker 2: we can get there kind of thing. But it's as
24:22
Speaker 2: much a directive from God in scripture as any of
24:26
Speaker 2: the other things we point to is like God said, well,
24:28
Speaker 2: he also said, be generous. He also said, take care
24:31
Speaker 2: of one another, not just your household, but the household
24:34
Speaker 2: of faith. And so there's this understanding in both Old
24:38
Speaker 2: Testament and New Testament that we'll be generous with the
24:42
Speaker 2: resources that God gives to us. And so this conversation
24:45
Speaker 2: is not just about how can I get more stuff
24:48
Speaker 2: and hang on to it so I feel better. It
24:51
Speaker 2: really is how can I position myself to be used
24:53
Speaker 2: in whatever way God wants me to be used. I
24:57
Speaker 2: don't know if I talk about this a lot, but
24:59
Speaker 2: I remember when I was first kind of called into
25:02
Speaker 2: ministry and I pastored for a while and going through
25:06
Speaker 2: all of that, this topic became very important to me
25:09
Speaker 2: because I realized having not spent a lot of time
25:13
Speaker 2: preparing financially for whatever was going to happen in the future.
25:16
Speaker 3: I didn't know what that was.
25:18
Speaker 2: Having not prepared for it, When I did feel like
25:21
Speaker 2: God was leading me into some things, I was not
25:23
Speaker 2: in a position where I could follow.
25:26
Speaker 3: So it wasn't that.
25:26
Speaker 2: God hadn't called or hadn't led or hadn't shown me
25:29
Speaker 2: what the next step was. It was that I was
25:32
Speaker 2: not in a position, specifically financially, to be able to
25:37
Speaker 2: walk that out. And so it took me time to
25:39
Speaker 2: figure that out and to walk through that. But man,
25:42
Speaker 2: I think a lot of our conversation is about that too.
25:45
Speaker 2: Don't limit what God can do with you.
25:47
Speaker 3: Yep.
25:48
Speaker 2: Because you're not taking the steps to prepare right now.
25:50
Speaker 2: So I think about this. A person could say, I
25:54
Speaker 2: think the US dollar is going to be fine. I
25:56
Speaker 2: think things are going to be fine. The economy is
25:58
Speaker 2: going to bounce back. Look at what happened over here. Okay, well,
26:01
Speaker 2: you can also hold that position, but prepare because God
26:06
Speaker 2: has something for you in the future. So let's say
26:08
Speaker 2: the economy takes off and David's wrong and Well, you
26:12
Speaker 2: still need to be financially in a position where you
26:15
Speaker 2: can be generous and helpful because there are a lot
26:18
Speaker 2: of people that need Jesus, first of all, but also
26:21
Speaker 2: need the resources necessary to get that message out. And
26:25
Speaker 2: so generosity is a part of this conversation I don't
26:28
Speaker 2: think we often consider because it's kind of like, well,
26:32
Speaker 2: if there's something left over, sure, I'll be generous. But no,
26:35
Speaker 2: this really fundamentally is about being in a position where
26:39
Speaker 2: you can be.
26:40
Speaker 1: Yes, that's so true. I mean, I can say being
26:46
Speaker 1: where I believe God didn't intend for me to be
26:49
Speaker 1: in the length of time, you know, early on in
26:52
Speaker 1: my life and after I married my wife for a
26:54
Speaker 1: while and we started having kids, like I always, there's
26:57
Speaker 1: always stuff I wanted to do. There's people I wanted,
26:59
Speaker 1: there's things, there's like, you know, God gives men dreams
27:03
Speaker 1: to like to do things. But every one of those
27:05
Speaker 1: things fell short because the resources weren't there. Well, you know,
27:08
Speaker 1: once you get into the will of God and I
27:10
Speaker 1: had to go through a lot of bumps and bruises
27:13
Speaker 1: on the journey getting there. But I remember many times
27:16
Speaker 1: when we were pretty dirt poor, like I remember one
27:19
Speaker 1: time and specifically we didn't have any money. This was
27:23
Speaker 1: early on like 2018 and didn't know what I was
27:27
Speaker 1: going to do. Maybe early 2019. I think my wife
27:29
Speaker 1: was expecting our first child in California here. And, I
27:33
Speaker 1: just was having a hard time adjusting to a new
27:36
Speaker 1: job and couldn't make any extra money. And I remember
27:38
Speaker 1: we had just enough money to go to church and gas,
27:41
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I was going to do
27:42
Speaker 1: the next day. Well, we go there, and some lady just,
27:45
Speaker 1: I don't even know who she was, came up and
27:47
Speaker 1: surreptitiously just dropped $ 10 in my wife's thing. And at
27:51
Speaker 1: that time, that bought us enough gas to do what
27:53
Speaker 1: we needed to do. And I remember later on, someone
27:55
Speaker 1: else gave us $ 500. And then someone else who I
27:59
Speaker 1: never knew who they were gave us um i want
28:02
Speaker 1: to say it was over a thousand dollars they gave
28:04
Speaker 1: us a nice card and they basically you know gave
28:06
Speaker 1: me a good word to like you know keep you
28:08
Speaker 1: know working hard for your family i know you're trying
28:10
Speaker 1: so things like that were generous to me well fast
28:14
Speaker 1: forward several years you know god has has helped me
28:17
Speaker 1: got me stabilized and i know a couple times it
28:20
Speaker 1: was a one fellow who was you know he never
28:23
Speaker 1: had a lot of money in our church but he
28:24
Speaker 1: would rely on a bicycle um to get back and forth.
28:28
Speaker 1: And he, I think finally got an electric bike and
28:30
Speaker 1: then someone stole his bicycle. And so one of the
28:34
Speaker 1: men in the church is like, Hey, well, we're going
28:36
Speaker 1: to try to get together and take up a small
28:37
Speaker 1: offering for, I think it was brother Bob. And I
28:40
Speaker 1: was like, I'll pay for, I've got enough. I am
28:44
Speaker 1: in a position. We're going to do this. So not
28:47
Speaker 1: only are you going to just get enough to replace it,
28:49
Speaker 1: let's get him a better one, right? Let's get him
28:50
Speaker 1: some extra equipment. And I was in a position to
28:53
Speaker 1: do that. I've been in a position to help, you know,
28:55
Speaker 1: youth ministries to help kids who maybe they didn't have
28:58
Speaker 1: enough money to go on, you know, youth outing or
29:01
Speaker 1: things like that. Being in a position to be able
29:04
Speaker 1: to do that is the one thing. I don't think
29:08
Speaker 1: that the world... could ever possibly understand as far as satisfaction.
29:12
Speaker 1: Like there is nothing more satisfying than just laying down
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Speaker 1: money to provide what you know is a need and
29:19
Speaker 1: a good need for people who need it. And, you know,
29:24
Speaker 1: going back to the homeless population here, it's really hard
29:26
Speaker 1: because I can't just hand out money because I know
29:28
Speaker 1: that's probably not going to go to their basic needs.
29:30
Speaker 1: It's going to go to drugs or other bad stuff.
29:32
Speaker 1: So here you got to kind of do food, but
29:34
Speaker 1: it's different. But when it comes to needs within the
29:36
Speaker 1: body of Christ, and James addressed it when he said,
29:39
Speaker 1: You know, if you go up and you say, hey,
29:41
Speaker 1: be warm and be filled, but you don't do anything.
29:45
Speaker 1: The most frustrating thing I think I can in my
29:47
Speaker 1: life is seeing a need and just being impotent and
29:50
Speaker 1: not being able to do anything about it. So being generous, right?
29:53
Speaker 1: Proverbs says that the generous soul shall be made fat.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I live by that principle. I know One of
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Speaker 1: the men who helped me early on in my sales career,
30:04
Speaker 1: he was the most generous person I'd ever met. And
30:06
Speaker 1: it's like the guy just would give people money, but
30:09
Speaker 1: he never lacked. It would just always come back to him.
30:13
Speaker 1: And the old principle of you can't out give God
30:16
Speaker 1: and those who lend unto the poor lend unto God.
30:19
Speaker 1: It's like God takes careful notes. So being generous is
30:24
Speaker 1: an untapped power source that you have. And in fact,
30:27
Speaker 1: if you go into the scriptures, the scriptures plainly say,
30:30
Speaker 1: God says, try me. You know, there's not any time
30:33
Speaker 1: where God says, test me. But he says, test me
30:35
Speaker 1: and you will see. And I'm telling you, the principle
30:38
Speaker 1: of you cannot give God is true. But you need
30:41
Speaker 1: to be in a position to prepare for that. So,
30:43
Speaker 1: you know, basic, I think basic Dave Ramsey. Dave Ramsey
30:47
Speaker 1: and I disagree on gold and silver. I think it's
30:50
Speaker 1: foundationally stable. that a country has to operate on, let
30:55
Speaker 1: alone you and me, for things to continue well. But
30:57
Speaker 1: the principles of getting out of debt, of having extra
31:00
Speaker 1: so that you can be a blessing, you know, the
31:02
Speaker 1: whole blessed to be a blessing is a very important
31:04
Speaker 1: principle for Christians. Because at the end of the day,
31:07
Speaker 1: when we're talking about gold and silver, it serves a
31:09
Speaker 1: definite purpose here on earth. but you know, up in heaven, it's,
31:14
Speaker 1: it's the building material for, for the streets and for
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Speaker 1: the walls and for the city. And it's like the, the,
31:19
Speaker 1: the purpose is shift, but they're both created by God.
31:22
Speaker 1: So use them for their purposes. But, but you have
31:25
Speaker 1: a purpose down here with your finances and that's beyond,
31:28
Speaker 1: you know, God's going to provide for me and my family,
31:30
Speaker 1: but I got other people who I know are lacking
31:32
Speaker 1: and just want God to lead me to them so
31:34
Speaker 1: I can be a blessing to them as well. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's so good. Yeah. That's so good.
31:40
Speaker 2: Um, I've really enjoyed our conversations. Thank you for just
31:44
Speaker 2: your insight and what you guys are doing. Tell the
31:47
Speaker 2: audience again where they can find the company and get
31:52
Speaker 2: in touch with you and get more information.
31:54
Speaker 1: Or whatever they need to do.
31:56
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
31:56
Speaker 1: Just go to AO.gold, but we have a special ending
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Speaker 1: page set up here for March or Die audience and
32:05
Speaker 1: Jeremy's audience. Just go to AO.gold. forward slash MOD. And
32:09
Speaker 1: then just tell us you heard us on there. We'll
32:11
Speaker 1: send you some, we have different like PDFs we can
32:13
Speaker 1: send over to you. Helps you understand gold and silver,
32:16
Speaker 1: like different products, kind of some different, you know, things,
32:20
Speaker 1: historical stuff. But most importantly, we have a thing called
32:23
Speaker 1: should Christians buy gold? I think most of your audience
32:26
Speaker 1: would find that interesting. Like I thought about it, but
32:28
Speaker 1: I've always heard this. So we answer some like basic questions.
32:31
Speaker 1: I won't gold and silver be, you know, worthless here
32:34
Speaker 1: on earth and things like that, that are, sort of,
32:37
Speaker 1: I would say sort of are mostly out of context
32:39
Speaker 1: thinking why people will always say, because you get a
32:41
Speaker 1: lot of those when I'm doing shows, I get a
32:43
Speaker 1: lot of in the comments, well, it's going to be worthless.
32:46
Speaker 1: And so it's something that we address all the time.
32:48
Speaker 1: And there's a specific reason the Bible says that and
32:50
Speaker 1: why it says that. And it's not in the way
32:53
Speaker 1: that most people use it or pretty much never in
32:55
Speaker 1: the way that people use it. But we have PDFs
32:58
Speaker 1: that people can help. And then things about like the
33:00
Speaker 1: control grid. So we're looking at a digital currency unrolling.
33:03
Speaker 1: that is going to have far-vast reaching consequences that are
33:08
Speaker 1: foretold in the Bible. So we kind of go through
33:10
Speaker 1: the step-by-step of how that's going to affect people. And
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's free. You don't have to pay for
33:15
Speaker 1: any of it. It's just PDFs we'll send you in
33:17
Speaker 1: the email. So, yes, go to ao.gold forward slash MOD
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Speaker 1: and just say, hey, send me some of those PDFs.
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Speaker 1: You can call me. Our phone number is 855-426-8255. 4
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Speaker 1: 6 5 3 8 5 5 4. The number for
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Speaker 1: AO gold. My email address, you can even email me
33:36
Speaker 1: as just David at AO dot gold. Ask questions. We're
33:40
Speaker 1: a service. I don't, this is not just a, a
33:44
Speaker 1: can to like get on that. This is my favorite part.
33:46
Speaker 1: I like talking to people because I feel like I
33:48
Speaker 1: get more satisfaction. Like I like selling gold and silver. It's,
33:52
Speaker 1: it's how we keep the pay the light, you know,
33:53
Speaker 1: pay the, pay the light bill and keep kids fed.
33:57
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I like helping people.
33:59
Speaker 1: And again, there's no satisfaction greater than saying, Hey, that
34:03
Speaker 1: person is, is in a good spot and, and, and
34:06
Speaker 1: laying out the information, especially when they come from it
34:09
Speaker 1: where they don't understand it. They have a lot of questions.
34:11
Speaker 1: I can tell you that the hours and upon hours
34:13
Speaker 1: upon hours I've spent talking to people and, you know,
34:17
Speaker 1: not all of them bought with me, but I can
34:19
Speaker 1: tell you, I always enjoyed explaining it and getting that
34:22
Speaker 1: light bulb to turn on. And that's something we take
34:24
Speaker 1: really seriously and no pressure. Just want to answer those
34:27
Speaker 1: questions and know that if this will work for you,
34:29
Speaker 1: it'll work for you. If it won't, we're happy to
34:32
Speaker 1: tell you that as well. Awesome.
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Speaker 3: Well, David, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome, Jeremy. It's been a pleasure, sir.