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How to KNOW If a CURSE Is Affecting Your FAMILY · Adrian Milag Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: He sees the sage bushes start to shake and he hears this awful sound and this wild boar comes running up to him.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like on a dead run.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's nowhere to run.
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SPEAKER_00: He couldn't run up.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no trees.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no structures.
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SPEAKER_00: So he stood and he puts his hand out.
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SPEAKER_00: And as it as this this creature had a dead run, this wild boar comes running at him, he puts his hands out and says, Stop.
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SPEAKER_00: In the name of Jesus, I command you to stop.
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SPEAKER_00: And as soon as he did that, the this this, I don't know, 150-pound, 200-pound creature stops right dead in his tracks in front of him.
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SPEAKER_00: And so and he's panting.
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SPEAKER_00: And about this time, another priest comes running over and and he gets his phone out because he realized things are under control.
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SPEAKER_00: He pulls his phone out.
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SPEAKER_00: And the priest says, It is not I who command you, it is Jesus Christ who commands you.
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SPEAKER_00: And as soon as he prayed that, the the the the the wild boar dropped his front legs and knelt down before him.
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SPEAKER_00: And the priest, the other priest took a picture of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And he says, Now in the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to go.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: And he leaves.
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SPEAKER_00: And then this priest, um, he becomes, he actually suggests that the bishop becomes a very very good exorcist.
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SPEAKER_00: And later goes back on his father's deathbed.
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SPEAKER_00: And so in his life as a priest and his exorcist, he offers his life, his suffering for his father, who rejected him and abandoned him.
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SPEAKER_00: And he goes back on his father's deathbed, his father asked for him.
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SPEAKER_00: He goes, hears his confession, reconciles his father as a spiritual father, reconciles him to God the Father.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and it shows the effect of the sin if obstacles are placed and how the how satisfaction is made, and now the father now comes back and dies a holy death through the intercession of his son.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a really and it shows you the effect of that.
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SPEAKER_00: That the effect of sin is talks about the case of an infant.
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SPEAKER_00: I and I cite that in my interview.
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SPEAKER_00: We talk about that in the interview in the at the epilogue in the book.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've seen cases of of young, young children well below the age of reason being afflicted by demons that have a response.
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SPEAKER_00: When I say they're afflicted, they're not just they're not just little mean kids.
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SPEAKER_00: Some kids are just little mean kids that need discipline.
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SPEAKER_00: We're talking about a reaction of bodily change at the presence of a priest, of bodily changes morphing, their facial features, turning, teeth change, shape, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what we're talking about evidence, visible evidence at the application of the skull or the crucifix.
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SPEAKER_00: So we see this.
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SPEAKER_00: Now that's very rare.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very strong.
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SPEAKER_00: Anywhere the Catholic Church is strong, anywhere you're going to have this infiltration of this Luciferianism of Freemasonry.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we see we see a lot of one of the patterns we see, for example, in families that have Freemasonic lineage, we see curses because when you're doing these rituals for Freemasonry, you're in a sense pledging the generations after you.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it's generational in the sense of inheritance, an inherited guilt that that is that comes down through the family lines.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we see distinct patterns.
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SPEAKER_00: Patterns, lung disorders, stomach disorders among descendants of Freemasonry.
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SPEAKER_00: Father Ripperger has noted that in probably 50% of the cases where child sexual abuse took place, of 50% of the cases that he's worked with, there were sexual uh sexual trauma as a child.
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SPEAKER_00: 50% of those cases had Freemasonic backgrounds.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: And the Father, Son, and the Father, your God is read.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: Heavenly Father, we ask for your mercy.
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SPEAKER_00: We ask for your kindness upon us.
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SPEAKER_00: We ask for the graces of a good and holy land for each and every one of us.
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SPEAKER_00: We ask for the precious blood of Jesus to be upon us, and we ask the intercession especially of the Holy Virgin Mary, Mother of the Word incarnate, to be to intercede for us and our angels and Saint Michael as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
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SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us, tenors, now and at the hour of our death.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: Our Lady, seat of wisdom, pray for us.
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SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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SPEAKER_03: Welcome, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dan Snyder, one of the clearest boys in authentic Catholic spiritual warfare.
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SPEAKER_03: What an honor, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dan.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you again.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me on again.
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SPEAKER_00: It's great to see you.
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SPEAKER_03: And when Krista emailed me about your newest book, I'm so excited to discuss about generationalists.
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SPEAKER_03: This topic is a common question, especially in our country.
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SPEAKER_03: So maybe you can share your knowledge and your study about this topic, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dan.
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SPEAKER_03: I would like to first ask why you wrote this book, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dan Snyder.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I started with, you know, it started out to be a chapter in the follow-up book to the Libra Cristo Manual.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the more I researched it, the more I realized it there's there's much more there.
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SPEAKER_00: And it needed to be a free load freestanding chapter.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a chapter just on the boy possessed, uh the father who brings his son, a child that was possessed.
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SPEAKER_00: So as I as I read that, um I I was going to look at a chapter and it just it started expanding into much a much deeper topic and that I wanted to really go into.
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SPEAKER_00: So I need it needed its own freestanding book.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, both both the experience, field experience um of dealing with children and even infants that have been possessed, um, which is which is something that transcends theory, if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have real experience in the field of gener of patterns among family, uh within family lines, but also there's a lot of misunderstanding.
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SPEAKER_00: You have those that that the the and I get into this in the opening chapter, and how our understanding of generational uh curse, sin, spirit, all that has been kind of confused and and meshed with a with a Protestant understanding that came in through uh through charismatic Catholic charismatic circles, through, through the um he was a m, I think, Methodist psycho psychologist, and a missionary.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so his background was psychology, and he was starting to see patterns as a missionary in in I think China and other countries.
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SPEAKER_00: And so he started seeing some sort of transgenerational sin or something in the field.
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SPEAKER_00: So it is a phenomenon de facto, but um, by his own admission, McCall's not a theologian, and so um some of this gets entered in and then um I think misused in Catholic circles, where we're starting to have masses said for the the you know, the gen, you know, the tr the generational sin of this family, you know, so and as opposed to mass said for family members who are suffering in purgatory.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I I I what I started off was understanding the New Testament very clear, Mark says very clearly, and when Jesus asked the father, how long has this been happening, the father says to him, Ek ek paidiothan is the Greek.
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SPEAKER_00: So paidiothan means from from childhood, birth, since the smallest age.
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SPEAKER_00: And the ek, which is the the which would what is an ep is a Greek use of emphasis since since he was a little child, which is which is a double emphatic of the reality, the realism of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Saint Jerome in the Latin translates it translates it ab infancia since infancy.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, and so combine that with some some I think bad theology uh that that has come in through through certain circles in Protestantism has led others in the church to totally reject the concept of a gener of some any any kind of generational um spirit or curse, if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was what set me out.
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SPEAKER_00: And and so working with you know close with Father Ripper, we discussed it and I said, yeah, let's let's get this done.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, so you collaborate with Father Ripperger in writing this book, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dyn.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, in the end, I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Um in the end, I bring it back to the pastor.
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SPEAKER_00: I try to, I try to work, I go a, I want to do a good deep dive theology in both scripture and in the tradition of the church.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so theological, but I also bring it back to the practical in the end.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, it's not sensational.
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SPEAKER_00: It's, you know, it's but I want to go from why to how.
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SPEAKER_00: We can get into that later once we lay down the principle.
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SPEAKER_00: Then we can understand why to how.
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SPEAKER_00: How do we move?
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SPEAKER_00: This is why it happens, and and this is the correct understanding of this phenomenon, which is something that's been discussed from the earth.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, going back to St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine and his debates with the Pelagians and Julian of Clannum, I put in that parts of that debate, and and and I show you Julian, the Pelagian, Julian of McClellan, who was who was a bishop and spokesman for the Pelagian, the heretic Pelagians, and St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine.
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SPEAKER_00: And and this is part of the hammering out of the doctrine of original sin by St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine.
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SPEAKER_00: We even get the word original sin from Augustine, and part of it is Augustine actually uses the the um the concept of a generational curse and the principles to prove an original sin, which was denied by the Pelagians.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that's what kind of set me out on it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I put in in the last chapter in the epilogue, I put an interview with Father Ribberger, his own experience as well as ways to determine and how to militate and crawl and climb your way out of this if this is something that's that's happening.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, particularly in different parts of the country of this country, I'm not sure how prevalent that Freemasonry is in in the Philippines, but over here it's very prevalent.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's prevalent also here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Anywhere the Catholic Church is strong, anywhere you're going to have this infiltration of this Luciferianism of Freemasonry.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we see we we see a lot of one of the patterns we see, for example, in families that have Freemasonic uh lineage, we see curses because when when you're doing these these rituals for Freemasonry, you're in a sense pledging the the generations after you.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it's generational in a sense of inherited, it's an inherited guilt that that is that comes down through the family lines.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we see distinct patterns.
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SPEAKER_00: Um pattern, you know, lung disorders, stomach disorders among descendants of Freemasonry.
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SPEAKER_00: Father Rippergir has noted that in probably 50% of the cases where um child sexual abuse took place, of 50% of the cases that he's worked with, there were sexual uh were sexual trauma as a child, 50% of those cases had Freemasonic backgrounds.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we see these patterns coming out in the field.
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SPEAKER_00: And so this this is what really brought me to the topic is like how how can this be?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, we had I I had I had two cases, okay, two cases.
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SPEAKER_00: Um they were both again unrelated to each other, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: Um but the patterns were the father and then the grandfather were Masons and Freemasons.
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SPEAKER_00: And so they had the third generation, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: So grandfather, father, in this case, one was the father, one was the mother.
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SPEAKER_00: And now the fourth, the remember from it goes back to the the giving of all Sinai, I will curse, I will visit.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, we'll get into that next, but I will visit between your daughter and the children.
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SPEAKER_00: And so in these two cases, you know, to the third and fourth generation, she had the grandfather, father, your generation, and then your children.
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SPEAKER_00: Now you're to the third and fourth generation.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we had these two different cases: an oldest son and two daughters in each case.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how it went.
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SPEAKER_00: Son, daughter, daughter.
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SPEAKER_00: In both cases, and they had they all they were members of the exact same lodge.
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SPEAKER_00: They made the same levels of entry and master masons, third degree, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_00: In each of these cases, you had generational Freemasonry.
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SPEAKER_00: Now call it phenomenon de facto, call it coincidence, call it whatever you want, but you have two cases unrelated to each other, have no idea.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not even from the same area of the country.
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SPEAKER_00: You have the the oldest son in both of these families of the fourth generation was on the autism spectrum.
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SPEAKER_00: The second child went completely, completely godless rejection of the Catholic faith.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the third child was a daughter that that was transgendering from female to male.
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SPEAKER_00: And they they all went through the exact same, uh, they had the exact same familiar pattern.
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SPEAKER_00: These are certain things that we see in the field when you work in in the field of liberation and exorcism as we do, assisting priest with Father Ripper and local diocese, you begin to see these patterns pattern out.
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SPEAKER_00: And so what I wanted to do in this book is put down a theological and biblical and scriptural defense or an understanding, I should say, of what happens and how this happens, and then ultimately how we militate out.
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SPEAKER_03: You mentioned the effect of the sin of the father.
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SPEAKER_03: And is there hope through Christ's redemption?
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SPEAKER_03: In this case, Dr.
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SPEAKER_03: Dunne.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Not only is there hope, we should we should cling to hope.
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SPEAKER_00: We have to, you know, a Christian always has hope, and it's not deterministic.
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SPEAKER_00: Both I I examine Augustine and St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas, and both of them are very clear in some cases, in some families, to some d to a lesser degree.
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SPEAKER_00: This is Saint Augustine, God will visit the sins of the Father upon the children and his providence.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint Thomas Aquinas says is more is stronger about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint Augustine says it's in God's providence.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas Aquinas says it's not deterministic in the sense that if this happens, then this will happen to your children.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint Thomas puts an act of agency upon the children if there are no obstacles to grace, if there are no obstacles, I mean, uh not obstacles put forth.
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SPEAKER_00: And by obstacles he means a living the life of grace, a state of grace and virtue.
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SPEAKER_00: By living a life of virtue, you break any generational curse that may be present.
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SPEAKER_03: And how does the church father, especially Saint Augustine, help us understand inherited guilt, original sin, and the lingering effect of evil across generation without contradicting personal responsibility?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's this tension, and when in his debate with Julian of Acclanum, Saint Saint Augustine really shows uh he he does a couple of things.
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SPEAKER_00: One, he shows it's not deterministic.
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SPEAKER_00: He also changes the language.
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SPEAKER_00: It's generational in the sense of inherited.
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SPEAKER_00: What is what is inherited is not the is not the sin itself, it's the it's the effect of the sin.
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SPEAKER_00: That's very that's a very clear distinction we have to keep in mind.
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SPEAKER_00: So the the effect of the sin is what's inherited, the guilt.
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SPEAKER_00: It's inherited guilt.
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SPEAKER_00: So the the the opposite position of that is kind of you hear this entering into some theology in Catholic circles today, and that is I have a generational sin.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's in that that terminology, we have sin, generational sin, generational curse, and generational spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have to kind of parse those three things out.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I use the I've used the phrase generational sin, but it can cause confusion.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I prefer generational curse because the others can use the phrase generational sin, means if I generate the sin in my child, that means I generated his soul, that I created his soul, and my sin is now his sin.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is a that is a that's an error that St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine militated against and defeated called traducionism.
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SPEAKER_00: I produce the soul of my children, and therefore my personal sin is their original sin, if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: Their sin is now my sin.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's not true.
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SPEAKER_00: God alone creates the soul.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we collaborate in that creation, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But God creates the soul.
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SPEAKER_00: And the only sin that is inherited that is generated in that sense, in the active sense, is original sin.
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SPEAKER_00: And but we have to see original sin, not necessarily there's this active generation, but original sin is a privation of the original goods, of the original goods.
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SPEAKER_00: And so by generational, we mean, we mean generational as in inherited.
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SPEAKER_00: We understand this in inherited wealth out of Adrian.
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SPEAKER_00: If you and I were had inherited wealth, we wouldn't be having to podcast or write books, and we would just sit sit on the beach and uh and live a good life, live with our soulmate and my inherited wealth.
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SPEAKER_00: This is this is a guilt that is inherited, that is, that is, that is inherited.
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SPEAKER_00: And so this is how Augustine says, and this is why he says that some natures, not destined, even if married parents commit many sins, St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine says, but for the sins of certain these parents, there is a punishment that is far different and far less.
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SPEAKER_00: In some ways, some sins of certain parents are passed on to their children, not by imitation, but by generation.
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SPEAKER_00: And the parents are punished in them.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a key distinction.
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SPEAKER_00: The parents are punished.
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SPEAKER_00: And so even when you go back and he cites Exodus 34 to the third and fourth generation, not imitation.
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SPEAKER_00: So some sins are imitated.
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SPEAKER_00: You sit around and watch TV and drink beer and you beat your wife and live live the life of a general scumbag.
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SPEAKER_00: Your your kids are going to pick that up and they're going to either act that way or marry a guy that's that acts that way.
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SPEAKER_00: That's imitated behavior.
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SPEAKER_00: But God, he's talking about something different.
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SPEAKER_00: When and even the Latin word visitance, you hear this in the language and the in the in the in the the Jerome, you know, Jerome's translation, uh, the Latin translation, I will visit the sins, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, it's like, you know, I hear that Adrian's saying some bad things about me.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna have to pay Adrian a little visit, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You see that in the English, we hear that visit is not just, hey, I'm gonna go visit Adrian, my friend, I'm gonna be in the Philippines and I'm gonna hang out with him.
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SPEAKER_00: No, visitons is a word that means to punish.
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SPEAKER_00: To punish.
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SPEAKER_00: So God punishes the sins of the fathers in the children.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not the sin itself that carries down, it's the effect of the sin.
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SPEAKER_00: And so this is what St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine says.
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SPEAKER_00: Here's what he tells, uh, here's what he tells the Julian of Eclanum.
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SPEAKER_00: It annoys me to state the truth so many times, even though it does not embarrass you to utter nonsense so many times.
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SPEAKER_00: God says that he punishes children for the sins of the parents.
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SPEAKER_00: God says, but to human beings that they should not punish children for the sins of their parents.
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SPEAKER_00: We should approve that both statements, since God says them both.
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SPEAKER_00: And so on one hand, God says, I will punish to those who hate me.
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SPEAKER_00: And by hate, that was the real debate in the early church and among the rabbis of pre-Christian rabbis.
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SPEAKER_00: What does it who hates God?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it only those who commit idolatry?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it also include grave sins, um, um, you know, such as such as murder and other grave sexual sins?
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SPEAKER_00: This was some of the early rabbinic and early patristic debates leading up to Augustine.
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SPEAKER_00: But we know that that w there's two laws Saint St.
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SPEAKER_00: Augustine really distinguishes.
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SPEAKER_00: We have God's law that God punishes to the third and fourth generation, the effect of the sin that it will carry down.
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SPEAKER_00: And in that suffering, the father is punished when he sees his children suffer.
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SPEAKER_00: But also there is a second law that unjust for man.
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SPEAKER_00: So it later in Deuteronomy it says in the civil laws, communal laws, not in the divine law at Sinai, in the communal laws.
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SPEAKER_00: A child should not be punished for the sins of his father, nor the father for the sins or crimes of the son of the children.
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SPEAKER_00: So in a criminal system, right, and civil law, it is unjust to that that the punishment that I commit a crime and my children go to jail.
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SPEAKER_00: That happens in in North Korea, for example.
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SPEAKER_00: That's an unjust authoritarian system.
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SPEAKER_00: That system is unjust.
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SPEAKER_00: That you can you get caught with Western literature and music in North Korea.
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SPEAKER_00: Not only you go to prison, but your children with you.
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SPEAKER_00: That's an abuse.
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SPEAKER_00: That is not that's not just laws.
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SPEAKER_00: And so you and sometimes, ironically, to the third and to the third generation, they'll let you bear three generations in prison for those who rebel against the state.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a wicked thing.
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SPEAKER_00: But we know that the effect of the sin, there's two effects.
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SPEAKER_00: Um there's a s a spiritual effect and a temporal effect.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is where Saint Thomas really um expands upon Saint Augustine.
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SPEAKER_00: He says, St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas Aquinas says, it should be known that there are two punishments that follow sins.
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SPEAKER_00: One is the in his earlier writings, he calls it the essential punishment and the the incidental punishment, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Or temporal punishment.
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SPEAKER_00: The essential punishment pertains to the soul, both in the present, such as the loss of grace, the troubled conscience, and things as that, and in the future, such as the punishment of hell.
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SPEAKER_00: A child is never punished with this kind of punishment for his father's sins, since the punishment does not regard him insofar as something of his he is of his father's.
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SPEAKER_00: The punishment that follows sin, as it were, is incidental, bodily infirmities and other temporal punishments.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, and so later he calls it the punitive or spiritual and the medicinal or temporal.
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SPEAKER_00: That the punitive is proper to the soul, it's a spiritual punishment, but there's a temporal effect.
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SPEAKER_00: And in that temporal effect, because the children are, as Thomas calls, inasmuch as they are the property of the bodily goods of the father or the parents, they can, under God's providence, suffer some temporal punishment as the effect of the sin of the father.
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SPEAKER_03: What is the biblical meaning of Ebon Abot and how does it connect to divine justice and mercy in the Old Testament?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Avonavad is the Hebrew word that's that that is the sins of the Father.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: And that it's hearkening back to God's giving the law at Sinai and this proscript this this the proscription against idol worship and those who hate God and abandon God and the law, that that that there will be an effect.
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SPEAKER_00: Um Avonavad is just a Hebrew word for the sins of the Father.
21:20
SPEAKER_03: And and in Ezekiel, Proverbs about fathers eating sour grapes and children's teeth being set on edge.
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SPEAKER_03: So how does God shape the focus to personal repentance?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great I go deeply into that because that's often cited as that's often cited Ezekiel 18 and Jeremiah.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: That's often cited as as as evidence that um that this this prescription, this, this, this law of God no longer pertains.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: And and that was something that Julian Oclawnum also claimed.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Ezekiel says this.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: And and Augustine says, no, wait a minute, what what what part of God says do you not understand?
22:00
SPEAKER_00: God says this, not mediated through a prophet, not mediated through the words of a prophet.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so in the in the Ezekiel passage, I I go into detail that this is that in Ezekiel in particular, he's laying out they're claiming to be this those three generations.
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SPEAKER_00: The man is virtuous, what is right and just, if he does what is not eat on the mountains or raise his eyes to the idols.
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SPEAKER_00: And so he's laying down, again, hearkening back to the idol worship that God hates.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: And he's and this is this is a juridic priestly trial.
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SPEAKER_00: And Ezekiel is laying out three generations: the wicked grandparents, the wicked fathers, and the righteous uh children, right?
22:41
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so in these three generations, he's laying this out.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: And this generation is saying to Ezekiel among Ezekiel, saying, Hey, we're innocent.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: We're the innocent children.
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SPEAKER_00: It was our fathers that were wicked.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Why should we have to suffer for because of our fathers?
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SPEAKER_00: And Ezekiel is it, this is not God changing his mind and removing this concept of a sin that is that the temporal effect of the sin that could pass down to the children in punishment.
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SPEAKER_00: He is saying, No, wait a minute, let's look at this.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: You are the wicked, you are the wicked children of wicked parents.
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SPEAKER_00: The righteous, the right, your righteous children, that generation will suffer and do penance, and there they will find liberation.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: And so it's a misuse of that passage.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: And it's also a misuse of our understanding of God.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a subtle process theology to say that God changes, to say that God changes.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: We know this belief is is even carries into the New Testament.
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SPEAKER_00: If this were, this, if this were no longer believed, why did the Jew, the Jewish leaders say to Pilate, May his blood be upon us and our children?
23:44
SPEAKER_00: Why did they ask Jesus, who sinned?
23:47
SPEAKER_00: This boy, the blind man or his father, right?
23:50
SPEAKER_00: They knew even in that generation of Christ, his generation, in this period, they still had an understanding that goes all the way back to Avanavat and the giving of the law.
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SPEAKER_00: And so in those proverbs, the prophets are not are not denying that God doesn't punish the sin.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: What the proverb, what they are saying is, yeah, you guys are claiming to be innocent, but you're not.
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SPEAKER_00: You're claiming that your teeth are set on edge.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: They're standing there, the walls of Jerusalem are being seized.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: They're being taken into exile.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: They're being, they're getting ready to be taken into slavery, and they're blaming everybody else but them.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: And so, well, we do the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: We we want to, you know, this is part of the errors of this transgenerational sin concept that we say, I'm suffering, I'm suffering this evil, I'm suffering diabolical affliction, oppression, I'm suffering physical evils.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's because of, you know, and and what the way McCall would answer, what his solution was we bring in a mystic, the mystic prays, she gets an insight into the past.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's the it was your third generation grandmother that did witchcraft.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: And I saw that in the spiritual realm.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: And therefore, let's have a Eucharist, because he was not Catholic, let's have a Eucharist said for the healing of that transgenerational sin.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: And God in that will break the sin so that you can now live free.
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SPEAKER_00: In that, the subtle understanding of that is no, I haven't done anything.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm just an innocent victim here.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: And if I have this Eucharist said, then I can be set free.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: And we see the same thing in being coming in with a subtle, a subtle modernist or Protestant bent when you have healing masses.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, every mass is a healing mass.
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SPEAKER_00: This idea that I have masses said for the for the for healing that the family tree, it's it's saying the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: The family tree, there's wickedness in my tree, and therefore I have to have mass said, and that will heal the family tree.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: No, we don't heal the family tree, we heal family members.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: And so we we have to be careful about not appropriating and taking um actively militating against this, you know, against this and claiming the innocent victim.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: The innocent victim is very rare.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes, you do have cases.
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SPEAKER_00: Father Rippinger talks about a case of an infant, and I cite that in the in my interview.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: We talk about that in in the interview at the epilogue in the book.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: And I've seen cases of of young, young children well below the age of reason being afflicted by demons that have a response.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: When I say they're afflicted, they're not just they're not just little mean kids.
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SPEAKER_00: Some kids are just little mean kids that need discipline.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about a reaction of bodily change at the presence of a priest.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, bodily changes, morphing their facial features, turning teeth change shape, et cetera.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: This is what we're talking about evidence, visible evidence at the application of the stole or the crucifix.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: So we see this.
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SPEAKER_00: Now that's very rare.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: It's very rare.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: The norm is we participate.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's some vulnerability.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: We participate in the wicked, in some sinfulness, and that appropriates the sin, or the effect of the father's sin.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Makes sense, Dr.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: Dun.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: So thank you, of course.
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SPEAKER_00: St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas says it this way.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: He says, um, hence it is also not the case that such punishments are always inflicted on those who sin.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Rather, this takes place in accord with the direction of divine providence, which governs all things.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: As a child is sometimes punishment, punished with this type of punishment for his father's sins, unless there is an impediment on the child's part, such as being contrary to the father's sin by way of a good life, right?
27:24
SPEAKER_00: So by living a virtuous life, we put impediments against us.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: And we know this.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: We see sometimes parents coming to the divorce, abortion, all sorts of problems.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: And you see this child, uh, you know, we have these devout Catholic families that have children drifting into homosexuality, abandoning the faith.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: And then you have families that are come that are coming from divorce or harsh backgrounds, and these children are getting the calls to religious life and the priesthood, right?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: What is that?
27:51
SPEAKER_00: What is going on?
27:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, we know that there's a familial fact, but St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas points it to the this idea of a that there must be impediments.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: And so by putting impediments of grace, the curse breaks.
28:02
SPEAKER_03: And Dr.
28:02
SPEAKER_03: Dalmeny Pinois here about generational curses from non-Catholic sources or superstitions.
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SPEAKER_03: So how does your book clarify the authentic Catholic and biblical approach, especially distinguishing effects, consequences from personal sin?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's a key point, is noting that you're not a victim.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: You're an you you you know, that if God if God is allowing this, it's for him to make satisfaction.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: This is our understanding.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: We have to go back to the Catholic principles.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, that last year with Pope Francis, we had the Holy Door, year of indulgence, and now Pope Leo has given us a new indulgence for the for St.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Francis.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: And what is an indulgence?
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's get to know the Catholic faith.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: Let's get to know the understanding uh of the sin and its effect.
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SPEAKER_00: Catechism 1471 to 1473, that that sin has a twofold effect.
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SPEAKER_00: There is that that there is satisfaction that needs to be made even after, even after um sacramental absolution is given, even after the spiritual effect has been remedied, there is there is a temporal effect of sin in which, through which, and for which satisfaction must be made.
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SPEAKER_00: Temporal satisfaction for the effect of that sin, right?
29:20
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the analogy that I use is, you know, you and I are hanging out, uh, we get, you know, after our interview, I'm like, you know what?
29:28
SPEAKER_00: He asked me some bad questions.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: He made me, Adrian made me look bad, and I get mad at you.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: So I go over to your house when you're sleeping, and I and I and I break in the windows and all your and your car, right?
29:39
SPEAKER_00: And I huff off in a rage.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: And then the next day, I feel really bad.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh man, I lost my temper.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: I probably shouldn't have done that.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: I go back to you, I say, knock on your door, and I and I, you're standing there and you're looking at the glass on your driveway, and I say, Agent, I'm really sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: I apologize.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: I went to confession, then the priest told me to come see you and make amends and and and to tell you I'm sorry.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: And so I've been, I've I confess the sin, you've forgiven me.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: You say, you're a good believer in Jesus Christ, you're a good Catholic man, you forgive me.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Dan, I forgive you.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: And I say, okay.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: And I start to walk away.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: And what do you tell me?
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, Dan, you might want to get your checkbook out.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: Someone's got to pay for the broken windows.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: Still have to make satisfaction, but on the temporal side, even though I've been forgiven, you've forgiven me, God's forgiving me.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: I've been given absolution.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: There's still temporal satisfaction.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: And that's what the catechism said: that even after a sin is forgiven sacramentally, there is a temporal punishment.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: And so the whole concept of indulgences that we take advantage of, this is why we can apply indulgences to ourselves and to the souls in purgatory.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: And so it shows the effect of the temporal effect.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: And what is purgatory?
30:46
SPEAKER_00: But making satisfaction for those sins, right?
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Satisfaction is it's it means to make amends, to make right, to bring balance back.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: This is you know, and so and so in that punishment, you know, the effect of the sin, we're making satisfaction for the sin.
31:03
SPEAKER_03: What role does baptism play in breaking the power of original sin and any lingering concupiscence or family patterns?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if we look at generational, uh the the baptism washes away the the washes away original sin, but the effect still remains.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: All sin follows that pattern.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Um that all sin uh follows that same pattern of a spiritual and a temple effect.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Adam and Eve were deep, they were deprived of the graces, right?
31:34
SPEAKER_00: At the at the commit at the committing of the original sin, the disobedience of God, eating the fruit, it entered in a privation of the goods that God had given them.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Original justice, right?
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Meaning that man was was just in the sight of God.
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SPEAKER_00: He loses the state of grace.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: And but there was also a temporal effect where they were driven from the garden, right?
31:54
SPEAKER_00: And so we see this two effect, the spiritual and the temporal.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: Now, the bottle, the spiritual effect uh of original sin, the original sin is removed, and now the life of grace is restored, but man still has to do battle because concupiscence still remains.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: But the exorcisms that are built into baptism are very effective in prep preparing that uh, you know, and and washing away the temporal effect as well.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: But they do still still linger.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: And here's why.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: We see we see the effect, um, let's bring it back before we go back to baptism.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: The and why is it familial?
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we call it familial sin, familial curse, familial spirits.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, we'll get into the spirits as well.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: But the the the the familial, it's familial because it falls into the concept of the authority structure.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: When Pope Ra Pope Benedict, Joseph Rasner Benedict, he gave several homilies, three homilies in particular, on the year of the priest, and the third homily on the triamunra of the priesthood, to teach, to sanctify, and to govern.
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SPEAKER_00: And the this munus to govern, he likens it to the to Jesus' words to Peter on the Sea of Galilee.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you love me, feed my lambs?
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Do you love me, tend my sheep?
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SPEAKER_00: And these are the two ends of the authority structure: provision, feed my lambs, and protection, tend my sheep.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: And so just as original sin is a privation of the original blessings of God, including original justice, original integrity, et cetera, man's interiority was properly governed and ordered, etc.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, we original knowledge, we now have a darkened knowledge, we now have a disordered interiority, even though the effect of original sin is removed and the life of grace is restored in us, the image of God and the likeness of God restored, it's still somewhat of a distortion.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: And so the authority structure um is has two ends, to provide and to protect.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: And so, just as we see, to feed and to tend.
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SPEAKER_00: And so what we see in this sense, a curse is the privation of the twofold effects of the provision and protection that comes with blessing.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so this is this is how we have to see.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: We uh this is the the clear understanding of curse.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, there are active curses um that are that are you know done by by witches in the occult.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: We see this in the curse of Balaam, Balaam's ass and all that in the Old Testament.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: But largely in the sense in this sense, a curse is the withdrawal of blessing, right?
34:29
SPEAKER_00: The withdrawal of blessing.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's not the active agency of the occult world cursing and a mockery of the liturgical system of the Catholic Church.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: It's the passive privation of the protection and provision that comes with blessing.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: And so Deuteronomy 11, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse, a blessing for obeying the commandments of the Lord your God, which I enjoin on you today, and a curse, which you do not if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your God by turning aside from the way that are ordained to you, and follow other gods whom you have not known.
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SPEAKER_00: Deuteronomy 30.
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SPEAKER_00: If you obey the commandments of the Lord which I enjoin on you today, loving him, walking in his way, keeping his commandments, statutes, and decrees, the Lord will bless you in the land.
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SPEAKER_00: If you do not, he you will perish, and the Lord will curse you.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: So we see living the law, righteous living to the law, means the provision and protection which comes with blessing.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: And the opposite.
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SPEAKER_00: If we reject the law, God says, fine, if you do not want my provision and protection, I will give you what you want.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: I will, I will withdraw that, and that is the sense of curse.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: And so, and this is how we understand that.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: And so provision and protection.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: And so another good analogy, I put it in the book, analogy that I that I think makes sense, is the, you know, a truck driver, he's driving a big truck, a big rig, and he gets into on his way home from work, he stops and he and he goes to the bar, he gets drunk.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: He drives home from the bar and he and he and he gets into a car accident and and some people are killed.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: And he gets he gets uh goes to jail for vehicular homicide, right?
36:06
SPEAKER_00: His children don't go to jail.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: His wife doesn't go to jail, he goes to jail.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: He committed the crime.
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SPEAKER_00: Civil law, communal law, a child shall not be punished for the crime of the father.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: And so the children don't go to jail.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: The mother doesn't go to jail, he goes to jail.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: But he loses his license.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: He no longer is working.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: What happens?
36:25
SPEAKER_00: What's the effect of the sin on the children?
36:28
SPEAKER_00: There is a lack of provision.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: You don't have his father, the father's income.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: The mom now has to go to work and she's now working a two-job, a night shift at the at over at the restaurant, and she's working her day job and she's never home and she's struggling to make ends meet.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: They no longer have that father's provision.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: But also she's gone and he's gone a lot.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: Well, he's gone permanently and she's gone often at work, and so they no longer have the father's protection.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: So there's a provision and protection as a privation in that.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: And that's and that's how we have to understand curse.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: And so when we commit certain grievous acts, God allows the effect of that sin to be to be experienced in the family.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: And the father sits in the jail and he looks at his children's suffering and he makes satisfaction for those sins.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: And even the children in their suffering, when offered to God, make satisfaction for that sin of their father.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: And together, it's familial, they make reparation for the sin, and more grace comes into that family construct.
37:26
SPEAKER_03: Can you share an one example of how generational effects show up today?
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mentioned that other one.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh I mentioned the other the other one as well.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, and also uh one of the ones that I think is a good story is is the the story of the priest and the and the when he was asked to be an exorcist and how he goes back.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: Um it's a fantastic story of a priest that was that could have suffered all sorts of bad things, abandoned by his father, raised by his mother.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Father wanted nothing to do with him.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: He he is called to the priesthood and um later is is asked by his bishop to be to be ordained, I mean to become the diocesan exorcist.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: And so he was very nervous about that because the previous exorcist was was compromised and taken down, not just removed from the from his role as exorcist, but removed from the priesthood.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: And so this priest is is is on retreat with the bishop and um with all the priests of the diocese, and the bishop asked him, Would you be the exorcist?
38:24
SPEAKER_00: He said, Let me pray about it.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: And um, and let me let me let me kind of discern that I'm a little nervous.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: Everybody was nervous because this guy that was taken down was the giant.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: And so that day he's walking in the desert and uh on this retreat, and out of nowhere, he sees the sagebushes start to shake and he hears this awful sound, and this wild boar comes running up to him, like on a dead run.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: And there's nowhere to run.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: He couldn't run up, there's no trees, he couldn't, there's no structures.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: So he stood and he puts his hand out.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: And as it, as this creature at a dead run, this wild boar comes running at him, he puts his hands out and says, Stop.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: In the name of Jesus, I command you to stop.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as he did that, the this this, I don't know, 150 pound, 200-pound creature stops right dead in his tracks in front of him.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: And so and he's panting.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: And about this time, another priest comes running over and and he gets his phone out because he realized things were under control.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: He pulls his phone out, and the priest says, It is not I who command you, it is Jesus Christ who commands you.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as he prayed that, the the the the the wild boar drops his front legs and and knelt down before him.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: And the priest, the other priest took a picture of it, and he says, Now in the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to go.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Right.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: And he leaves.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: And then this priest, um, he becomes, he he actually says, just so the bishop becomes a very very good exorcist.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: And later goes back on his father's deathbed.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: And so in his life as a priest and his exorcist, he offers his life, his suffering up for his father, who rejected him and abandoned him.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: And he goes back on his father's deathbed, his father asked for him, he goes, hears his confession, reconciles his father as a spiritual father, reconciles him to God the Father.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it shows the effect of the sin if obstacles are placed and how the how satisfaction is made, and now the father now comes back and dies a holy death through the intercession of his son.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: It's a really and it shows you the effect of that, that the effect of sin is there, but you can militate against it through through through righteous living.
40:26
SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's an interesting story.
40:27
SPEAKER_03: Is this exorc exorcist how we know uh the third?
40:31
SPEAKER_00: No, he's a he's a quiet, and like most exorcists are very quiet.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: They're just working in a working their work in the diocese, doing parish work, and nobody knows who they are.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: And those those are those are the real quiet soldiers that are doing, you know, doing doing the work behind the scenes.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: You have a few out there that are yeah, that that are teaching.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Father Ripper does a lot of teaching, well beyond just telling exorcist stories.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: He's out there making application.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, if I tell a story of my experience in the field, it's to apply, it's the it's it's it's didactical, it's pedagogical, it's to teach something about the Catholic faith and not just saying, oh, this is what happened in session and this guy crawled up the wall.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: That's exciting, and you can get likes and shares for that, and you can get people to watch your podcast or whatever.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: But it's how do we look at and see this experience in the field?
41:14
SPEAKER_00: How do we bring it back to Christ and the church and the teachings of the church and stay focused on Christ?
41:19
SPEAKER_00: And how do we, and how do we not just reinforce Catholic theology, but how do we help people overcome the evil one?
41:25
SPEAKER_00: Because what the enemy is giving us over here in this sector, there's good intel for other people.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: And and by tapping into the resources of the church and what the church, how the church teaches us to do battle against Satan.
41:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:37
SPEAKER_03: Well, Dr.
41:38
SPEAKER_03: Dan for families dealing with patterns like broken homes, addiction, or spiritual uh oppression.
41:45
SPEAKER_03: So, what practical stuff from the book can ordinary Catholics take to renounce evil?
41:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Let me, before we do that, let me let me just say a couple of things as well.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: As you talk about generational curse, curse is a privation of a blessing.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Another legitimate way of saying is a generational spirit.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: We hear that as well.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so um the fathers have basically explained that the the purpose that God, one of the tasks of the angels, St.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Ambrose, for example, says that the angels punish sin, that God uses the angels to punish sin, and that and that God lowers himself, right?
42:23
SPEAKER_00: This is going back to St.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: Irenaeus, second century, doctor of the church, Irenaeus of Leon.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: God lowers himself to where we are, the divine condescension to descend down into with us.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: God lowers himself to where we are, right?
42:36
SPEAKER_00: And the ultimate condescension is the incarnation.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't stop there.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: He lowers himself to where we are, that he raises us up to where he is.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: And so we have this prosperous procession.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: God lowers himself to where we are, he raises us up to where, to where he is.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: And in that lowering and raising, the fathers unanimously talk virtually unanimously talk about this threefold effect of the angels of their task to purify, illuminate, and transform.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: The three great ways of the interior life has been tasked to the angels in our lives to help us out of the mire of the human condition, the effect of the fall, to transcend and go upward to God.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: This sunkapatis and the on opposis, the raising up to God.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: So Amber says that God uses angels to punish sin.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: To their death, to their um discern to their own dislike, they they punish sin.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: They don't want to punish man's sin, but this is their task.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: Because the greater good, see what good you know, um that God wants to bestow through suffering, through our suffering, we can raise out of the lower condition and grow in that threefold purification, illumination, and ultimate transformation.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: St.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Bonaventure says that God allows a demon to afflict us, for the demon to afflict us, the fallen angels to afflict us for four reasons.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: And one of them is to punish sin, to rebuke the sinner, to educate us, and to bring glory to God.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: And so if God allows Allows this, there's always a greater good.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: We stay focused on Christ and the angels, whether glorified or fallen, are leading us to make satisfaction for our sins and removing us all the obstacles that allow our reunion, reconciliation, and also ultimate transformation through in through God to become children of God in the fullest dignity of that sense.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: And so we are transformed.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: And so this is why God allows it.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: This is why God allows it.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: So for a greater good, right?
44:33
SPEAKER_00: We like, you know, Romans, let me see, you know, Romans chapter, uh, let me see where I can find it.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: I think it's Romans chapter 12, um, or Romans chapter 8, sorry.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: It's Paul is explaining about our dignity.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, for those who are led by the spirit of God are children of God.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: If you didn't receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, you were spirit of the spirit of adoption, for what you caiah father.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: The spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: Now, if I were writing this, I would stop it, because the last verse here, the second half of chapter Romans 8, 17, says, if only we suffer with him, so that we may be glorified with him.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: And so through our redemptive suffering, we make satisfaction for sin that leads us to glory as well as our family.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Because God is not just trying to heal individuals, he wants to heal the entire familial construct.
45:25
SPEAKER_03: So how how so what a practical step would they get in the same way?
45:30
SPEAKER_00: On you in the New Testament, I flesh out what happened in John and Mark's gospel and Jesus, um, Jesus dealing with the father of the boy who was possessed, right?
45:39
SPEAKER_00: How long has it been happening?
45:41
SPEAKER_00: Since infancy, basically.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: Um so some of the ancient manuscripts that aren't recounted, that it's that not the one that we use.
45:47
SPEAKER_00: We use the Nestle Allen 28 for the New Testament for our the New American Bible, but other ancient manuscripts that are equally valid, some of them not, you know, not the ones that we use for this version of the Bible, says that the father of the boy cried out with tears to Jesus, right?
46:03
SPEAKER_00: He tried out with tears.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: So, so when a father sees his children suffer the result of his sins, he's brought to tears in repentance, as David was.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: David cries out with tears, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Is reconciled with God, but the effect of the sin, the death of the child of Bathsheba, as well as the temporal effect and the division in his family is a result of David's infidelity and David's indiscretion as his grave sin.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so um the holy tears of compunction is one thing.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: Entering into a penitential posture is important.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, compunction goes a long way in the spiritual life, right?
46:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, Jesus gives further insight when he he says that it's this type, the Greek word is jainos, this type of gene, this type of gene, uh, this jain us, this type of demon.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: So there's different types and classifications, right, um, of demons.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Jesus works within the authority structure.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: He goes directed to the father, right?
46:54
SPEAKER_00: It isn't like you're on an airplane and somebody sneezes and you're like, oh my gosh, I didn't have my mask on.
47:00
SPEAKER_00: I just, I just contracted a generational sin.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: No, it's inherited, it's familial.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: The effects are familial.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: It is, it is, it is linear.
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SPEAKER_00: Father, son, grandson, whatever.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: It's linear.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: It's not even rolling into the to your aunts and uncles, right?
47:17
SPEAKER_00: It's fall, it's familial and it follows the bloodline.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so uh here's what so we go to the father.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: Jesus goes to the father.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: Um in Mark, Jesus says this kind can only come out through prayer and fasting, right?
47:31
SPEAKER_00: We again, uh different versions have f prayer and fasting.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: Others only have fasting.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: But but the the the the ancient witness in Augustine, for example, um Jerome, Saint Jerome, doctor of the church, who gave us the Vulgate, um, the due remes, prayer and fasting.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so fasting can take many forms.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: This time it comes out through prayer and fasting, right?
47:52
SPEAKER_00: But the mortification of the will, the offering to God, making reparation for sins, bodily fasting.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: This is why we do penance in not just during Lent, but throughout the year.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: In the traditional Latin, Roman Latin mass calendar, we have ember days that remind us that we still have to do penance throughout the year and not just wait till Ash Wednesday.
48:10
SPEAKER_00: If you wait till Ash Wednesday, here we are, what, a week or two in, and I'm like, what did I what did I say I was gonna do?
48:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, you have all these great ideas, but uh but if you're not used to doing penance, this type, this Janos, only comes out through prayer and fasting.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: And Matthew puts it in the negative.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: This kind never comes out except by prayer and fasting.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it so prayer and fasting.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: And so the emphasis also is then in the writings of the fathers as well, and I get into that on this chapter, that prayer and fasting and penance belongs to the father, but also belongs to the minister of the church.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: The ministers of the church who are who are working in exorcism need to be fasting as they assist others in liberation, right?
48:55
SPEAKER_00: This is why in the Predanton of Saint of St.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: Charles Bormoreo wrote the introduction of Predantus to the Rite of Exorcism, said the exorcist must be doing fasting.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: And so Jesus, in one sense, chastises the apostles.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: You're not praying, you're not fasting.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: This isn't magic.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: You you you have to engage in your body to drive out of this body, right?
49:15
SPEAKER_00: And but same thing with the father.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's the minister of the church, and the father should be doing fasting.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: The deliverance isn't just finding this particular formula or prayer, right?
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Or the person with the special charism.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: There must be an ordering of the household.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: So Jesus goes to the Father, right?
49:31
SPEAKER_00: So prayer and fasting in the household.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: This is why in the Libra Cristo protocol, the whole household praise penitential prayers and penitential discipline.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, 6, 12, and 6, this is very effective.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: We even know this, the guys that do Exodus 90, it's very effective by engaging the in the body.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: And also faith, faith.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: He asks the father.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: The father says, if you can help me.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: And Jesus says, if I can help you, I'm God, I'm God.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I was just transfigured in my disciple Saul, who I really am in the transfiguration.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: If I can help anything can happen to him who can who believes, help me in my unbelief.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: And so in the process of this suffering, we grow in our faith, right?
50:13
SPEAKER_00: We grow in our faith.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: In the helplessness of witnessing a child suffer, we grow in our faith.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: And so from Mark's gospel, we have those lessons.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: But then Baruch, who was hired, you want to talk, comment on that before I get to the Old Testament?
50:25
SPEAKER_00: Any comment?
50:26
SPEAKER_00: So that's what we see in the New Testament.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: Prayer, fasting, and faith are the primary and a penitential posture.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: And then Baruch, I pulled out some concepts from Baruch, who's right, who was Jeremiah's scribe, uh, who was present when everybody was saying the green grapes proverbs.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: Baruch also um has some some nuggets for us, but the key from the New Testament is are those three of them.
50:47
SPEAKER_03: And how important are prayers of forgiveness, renunciation, and protection, closing doors open by ancestral sins of the third guy?
50:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, prayers and reparation are very are very important.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: We separate out, I distinguish the difference between atonement and reparation to help us under to break out the difference between making satisfaction for my sins and making satisfaction for the sins of others.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: Um I make penance, I do bodily penance and bodily mortification for my sins, right?
51:18
SPEAKER_00: And and atonement for my sins, right?
51:21
SPEAKER_00: And then prayers of reparation, I make in reparation for the sins of others.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: We offer our sins up in reparation for the sin of abortion, for this, for the for the scourge of unbelief, for for you know, like the angel Fatima telling him, pray, do penance for sins and blasphemies against the Holy Eucharist, etc.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: So making prayers of satisfaction to God on account of the sins of others.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: And so we have atonement reparation.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: And this is this is very important in that we we enter into a bodily, you know, a penitential posture, even with our bodies.
51:56
SPEAKER_03: And in deliverance ministry, so what common doors from past generation allow oppression?
52:02
SPEAKER_03: And how does the rosary, fasting, and devotion to our lady powerfully close them, Dr.
52:07
SPEAKER_03: Dan?
52:08
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so in the past, um I mean in in the ancient baits among the rabbis and then in the early church, until it sort of gets hammered out at the time of Augustine in the fourth century or so, uh, we see we see is it only idolatry, is it abortion, I mean murder, is it grave sin, sexual sin?
52:28
SPEAKER_00: And so it's the effect of the sin passes down.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: And and it's generally in the general consensus after Augustine, it's it's it's not just idolatry, but it's also it's also other forms of grave, grave sins.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: And so obviously, magic, witchcraft, whether it's Satanism or can be Rosicrucianism in the form of Freemasonry, these things all are participation in the first commandment violations.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: I've I my experience is that large it's first and sixth commandment violations.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: Um First Commandment violations, false gods.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: Second commandment viol, I mean, sixth commandment violations, some sexual depravity, homosexuality, abortion, grave, repetitive, grave mortal sin.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: And the combination of those two generally is where satisfaction needs to be made.
53:23
SPEAKER_03: And why has modernism or secular culture blinded many to these spiritual family realities?
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for modernism, this is why I mentioned it briefly in the beginning, because um, it's like, what does modernism have to do with this?
53:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, we live in a we live in a modernist world.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: It's in the air we breathe, it's in the water we drink, it's like fluoride, or it's like it's like whatever.
53:43
SPEAKER_00: It's it's just we live in a modern influenced by modernism without even knowing it.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: Pius X gave us some marks of what he called the plague of modernism.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: And and a couple of those apply here.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: One is a rejection of the effects of the fall.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: And so if we reject the effect of the fall, that's a modernist assumption.
54:04
SPEAKER_00: We can just recreate this perfect society because the fall isn't that great.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: That's all just concept, constructs.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we can create a perfect humanist society apart from God.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: We don't need God, right?
54:15
SPEAKER_00: We can create it on our own.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: The fall has really no effect on us.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: Another one is the effect of or the rejection of the redemptive value of suffering, says, says Pius X.
54:30
SPEAKER_00: We reject the redemptive value of suffering.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: If suffering has no value, then God punishing the sins of a father and his children would also be something that we don't need to do that because we don't, we don't, there is no value in our suffering.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Catechism 1471 to 73, that there is there is satisfaction made through our suffering.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: And also the rejection of modernism, one of the marks that Pius X says, the rejection of the authority structure, whether ecclesial, familial, or civil, right?
55:02
SPEAKER_00: And so we reject authority and therefore an authoritative church.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: And so, and so by rejecting the authority structure, hierarchy, patriarchy, we end up with anarchy, anarchy, right?
55:14
SPEAKER_00: And we reject all authority.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: And so by rejecting authority, we reject that if I reject that there's any sort of patriarchal authority, then my father's, the sins of my father have no effect on me, right?
55:27
SPEAKER_00: But we know that that that that, as St.
55:30
SPEAKER_00: Thomas says, inasmuch as the children are the the property, he says, the bodily part of the bodily goods, then, then, then the than if that they can suffer the effects of that.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: No one doesn't punish sin.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: God is loving, sugary Jesus with skinny jeans and a nice groom beard that's a really cool guy.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: That that's a far different picture of our understanding of God that is so holy that our sins are so offensive that there must be satisfaction made for those sins.
56:03
SPEAKER_03: What is your most urgent warning and hope?
56:06
SPEAKER_03: Hope from the book, Dr.
56:08
SPEAKER_03: Dunn?
56:08
SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest warning, uh, it's not really a warning, but a clarion call to live the Catholic faith, recapture the Catholic faith, the beautiful Catholic faith of the Philippines, recapture that beautiful Catholicity, both culturally, but it begins to influence cultures in the church to the domestic church, recapturing the tradition of the church.
56:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I tie it into Baruch and I pull lessons out in Baruch chapter one.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: He reads the scrolls that Eli that Jeremiah gave him, right?
56:39
SPEAKER_00: And he and he and he prays from the scrolls.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: And so there's liturgical prayers, right?
56:44
SPEAKER_00: There's a liturgical element, having masses said for the dead, offering up your own participation in the liturgy, offering up in reparation for the sins of your fathers for your own sins, right?
56:55
SPEAKER_00: The entire people were present, the whole baruk went forward.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: Everybody was present.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: So the whole familial construct is there liturgically, getting the family back to church.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: It might linger, you might be suffering because you're the you're you are Christ to this family, and God is going to allow you to be a little Christ to bring grace into this family through your suffering, to bring your family members that have fallen away from the church back into the church.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Penance, repentance, body mortification.
57:25
SPEAKER_00: So Baruch 1, 5, and 6.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: They wept, they fasted, and they prayed before the Lord, and including giving alms.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: In the times of Lent, prayer, fasting, and almsgiving.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: These things are ways we do battle.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: They confess their sins.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: Each of us went off after the devices of our own wicked hearts.
57:42
SPEAKER_00: He's not, they're not blaming the sins of their fathers, like the Green Grace proverb.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: This same generation says, we went off after the devices of our own wicked hearts, served other gods, and did evil.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: So confessing your own sins.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: And also, justice is with the Lord our God, and we are flushed with shame, right?
58:01
SPEAKER_00: So you're praying prayers of supplication, prayers from the deliverance prayers of the laity book, right?
58:07
SPEAKER_00: Embracing suffering as satisfaction.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: And so Baroque.
58:10
SPEAKER_00: These are hard words.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: And they really, they really sound in a certain amount of dissonance in our modernist ears.
58:17
SPEAKER_00: And so, but we see this as the pathway out for anyone who's suffering, these familial facts.
58:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
58:25
SPEAKER_03: And how can we stand strong against fears or superstition around generational curses of focusing on Christ's victory?
58:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think this is why at the end of each chapter, I give a story, I give a lesson of hope, and then I give a prayer, two prayers.
58:42
SPEAKER_00: One from St.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: I use St.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: Alphonsus Liguri, and then something from Father Rippriger's book, Deliverance Prayers for the Laity.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, some practical prayer, specific spiritual warfare prayer from Father Ripperger's book, which has the impramater, by the way, and also the prayers of St.
58:57
SPEAKER_00: Aphonsus Ligori.
58:59
SPEAKER_00: Not just pray this prayer at St.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: Alphonsus prayed, it's learning how to pray from a doctor of the church, a doctor of prayer is one of his titles, learning how to pray from a doctor of church, a doctor of the church, and recognizing that.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I I was just reading this last week and and uh and it struck me in the prayer of St.
59:19
SPEAKER_00: Augustine in the it's in the old ritual, uh Roman, the the St.
59:24
SPEAKER_00: Andrews Roman ritual for uh the missile, I'm sorry, for the Latin mass.
59:28
SPEAKER_00: It's the pre the pre-64, the pre-54.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: And and it he says in this prayer of act of contrition before receiving communion, Augustine says, You have washed us with the blood of the Lamb and clothed us with the garment of the nuptial garment, the wedding garment, right?
59:44
SPEAKER_00: And so freedom from means freedom for.
59:47
SPEAKER_00: So we suffer, right, even our own suffering through the blood of the Lamb, united with Christ's suffering, so that we and our families are placed with the garment of the salvation, the wedding garment of salvation.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: Understanding the bigger picture makes the details of it, you know, much more understandable, more impractical.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_03: There's uh some few questions here, uh, Dr.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_03: Dun.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's a question here for adult children who become duchwarm Catholics.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: Can a parent like mother cut the generational ties for the children through prayers?
1:00:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, going back to the father wept, the father had a lack of faith, and Jesus says, if you believe, have faith.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh and this type only comes out through prayer and fasting.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_00: So penitential posture, grieving for our sins, grieving for the sins of the child that have left the Catholic faith, how we have participated in, and also grieving our sins, making atonement for our sins, prayers of reparation for their sins, um, fasting, bodily fasting, mortifications, putting all lead down range for the conversion of this child, making a constant daily effort, not in fear, getting beyond all that and focusing your sights on bringing this child back through your prayers.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_00: Look at the life of Saint Augustine and St.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: Monica.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, people always ask, did Monica's prayers make Augustine a saint, right?
1:01:15
SPEAKER_00: We don't know, but her prayers made her a saint, right?
1:01:18
SPEAKER_00: And so we look to St.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_00: Monica and look for the hope that one of the great greatest saints of the church, Saint Augustine and his mother, instrumental in her con in his conversion, but also she died a saint of the church as well.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_00: So going to doing battle and understanding the authority structure, getting things in right order is very important.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_03: And can generational curses be passed between husband and wife if the non-Catholic husband divorced the Catholic wife and she had not sought an annulment?
1:01:48
SPEAKER_03: Will this be a reason for filing or affect generational curses?
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: In a sense, yeah, because the annulment will annul the marriage.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_00: There'll still be a natural law claim of the demon.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, through natural law, the the father is still the father of the children, and that effect is still there, but the annulment process uh provides an ecclesial breaking, if you will, an ecclesial declaration of nullity and will loosen the effect.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: So and it's always just a good spiritual practice to to do that.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're you know um in that situation, it's good to go through that process.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_00: Um and for the, you know, obviously it's just better to try to seek recl reconciliation, but but yeah, then the annulment process does will mitigate the effect to some extent.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_03: And I understand the sins passed by Adam and Eve to us.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_03: But is it it but is it is it not fair that we also inherit our ancestors' sins?
1:02:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_00: It is, and this is why we don't this there is not an inheritance of their sins.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_00: It's the inheritance of the effect.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: The effect of the sins can carry to us in God's in God's God's justice system.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_00: St.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_00: Augustine really, the chapter I go into deeply on that, you can hear Julian's claiming the same thing.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: Isn't it not just?
1:03:06
SPEAKER_00: And Augustine just came back and said, I don't know how many times I have to say, God says.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_00: What part of God says do you not understand?
1:03:13
SPEAKER_00: So in God's system of justice, this momentary light affliction, as St.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_00: Paul says, will, you know, will produce in us an eternal weight of glory.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_00: And so these moments we have to see our suffering as a momentary light affliction, right?
1:03:26
SPEAKER_00: Patiently endure the suffering, doing penance and bringing down as much grace as you can upon the familial construct.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_00: This is this is God's system, right?
1:03:35
SPEAKER_00: And it's modernist to say, no, God doesn't punish sins anymore.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_00: The effect of the sin is only what I think.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_00: You know what it is?
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Philosophically, one of the principles of modernism is called immanentism.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: Imminentism, um, you hear the word, the menere is a Latin word to remain.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_00: So to remain in, right?
1:03:54
SPEAKER_00: So that which remains in me, what I think that is just.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: What I think is true is true.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_00: So truth is relevant to me and and and it's subjective to me.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_00: The subject is the arbiter of truth, what I feel, what I think, this is true.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_00: And so we have to be careful of that because that's that's a modernist tendency that we all have.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, go out on the Philippines, do they drive on the left side or the right side of the road?
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, right.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: I know how they drive over there, right?
1:04:21
SPEAKER_00: If an Englishman from the UK comes over here to the US, they will be they will be shocked.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_00: And I've driven in England and it's it's not, I don't drive well here, let alone in a foreign country, let alone on the other side of the road.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_00: If somebody from the UK comes to the US and he and he goes the wrong way on a one-way street and he gets pulled over, what does the cops say?
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: If he says, I didn't know it was, I'm from England, I didn't know.
1:04:47
SPEAKER_00: What does the cop say?
1:04:49
SPEAKER_00: I subjectively didn't know.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: The cop says, you objectively violated civil law, right?
1:04:56
SPEAKER_00: And so we always are driven to say the subjective.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_00: I didn't mean it.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_00: I was in a hurry.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm late.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: This was quicker for me to go the wrong way, I can get there quicker.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_00: But if you get caught, the objective side, right?
1:05:10
SPEAKER_00: And so this idea, even the word justice, right?
1:05:14
SPEAKER_00: The the the symbol of justice is is the the scales, right?
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: The balance.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_00: The word decay means balance, justice.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_00: It means this the you commit a sin, a crime, right?
1:05:31
SPEAKER_00: And there is an imbalance created uh between you and society.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_00: And therefore, in in America, they someone goes to prison, he gets out of prison, he paid his debt to society, right?
1:05:45
SPEAKER_00: He paid his debt.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: And so balance is restored.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_00: And so this is a concept that sin creates an imbalance, an imbalance interiorly, an alienation between us and ourselves, between us and those around us, between us and God.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: And so justice is bringing balance, harmony is restored.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_00: And this is why we have this symbol in civil law.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_00: And we somehow think that when it comes to moral law, God is okay.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_00: God will accept this behavior.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_00: He forgives me.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he does forgive you, but there's still this temporal satisfaction that needs to be made according to God, what he wants.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_00: It's not always.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: I've seen plenty of descendants of Freemasons and nothing happens.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_00: And I've seen others that are living good lives and suddenly they're just beset with disaster.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_00: And so God wants that family to go through that to make satisfaction, to crush that, um, to his glory.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_03: And another question here Are generational curses synonymous with unconfessed or unrepented sins of our ancestors?
1:06:48
SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_00: It's the the sin, the the the confession or non-confession of that sin, um, that's that's between the ancestor and God.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: So it isn't like it's unconfessed, and if I confess it or have a mass set, it'll break the effect.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_00: No, it's the it's the the it's not the sin itself.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_00: That's between the soul and God, but it's the effect, the temporal effect that can, not always, can be experienced in later generations so that satisfaction can be made.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_03: And another question, Dr.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_03: Dunn, is the book available in in Spanish?
1:07:19
SPEAKER_03: And and does it have a recommendation for families whose ancestors had been involved with free masonry and witchcraft?
1:07:28
SPEAKER_03: God bless you.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's not available in Spanish yet, um, but we're hoping to get it translated.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: And it does, it does go through a little bit on Freemasonry.
1:07:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I focus a little more on the why this happens and going back into scripture and tradition and then and then going more into the how and the very end of the book.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_00: So so it does it does address Freemasonry, but not directly.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_00: It isn't okay, this is Freemasonry, and I don't I don't go deeply into what they do, but but just more these are this is the things that we've experienced.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_03: Last one, Dr.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_03: Dan.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_03: There's a uh she shared about personal story about being an extraordinary ministers, minister of holy communion.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_03: Uh difficulties with priests during attacks and asking if she has to stop helping our priests or stop being an extra minister for holy communion because ministers are men and should not be near the altar.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_03: She heard somewhere that altar service should only be male.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_00: A couple of things.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: Um there's some truth to that, but at the same time, you've got to be squeaky clean.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're protesting at the abortion clinic and you're contracepting at home, um, you're probably gonna get hit.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're doing uh extraordinary minister of holy communion, which is allowable and in in the new right, it was allowed for under special circumstances, but it's now it's become normative.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_00: But you had to go to confession as close as possible to to that date.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_00: My recommendation, my personal recommendation, not not outside, you know, there are norms you're allowed to do this, work with your pastor.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to get in between anybody and their pastor.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_00: For me, I go to Latin Mass and uh I do I go to Novus Orta as well at times.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_00: So, but I I think it's safest to just stay in the congregation and stay with your family, pray with your family, and pray together, especially if you're dealing with anything you know spiritual in your life.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_00: Stay, stay grounded with your family.
1:09:27
SPEAKER_00: Remember, there's a distinction we've lost in this collapse of the two priesthoods.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_00: The second Vatican Council gives us principles for understanding the two priesthoods.
1:09:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes, we want more lay involvement.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_00: There need that that was one of the second Second Vatican Council, Sacrosanctum Concilium, 79, more lay involvement.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but it also gives us clear principles that the that the priesthood of the laity is secular in nature, right?
1:09:53
SPEAKER_00: It isn't just functionalism.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_00: The modern church has fallen into functionalism.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_00: Father functions over here in this liturgical way, and then we can kind of help in that function as well.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_00: No, the priesthood of the laity and the priesthood of the of the ordained, Lumengensium chapter 10, differ in essence and degree.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_00: And chapter 31 of that same document, it gives us distinctions that the charism of the laity is secular in nature, and the charism of the priesthood, everything he does is ordained to the sacred.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_00: And so we have we have this idea that if I have a conversion experience, I'm coming back to the faith, I need to start doing liturgical things as opposed to getting more involved into the secular world, bringing the gospel, starting with my family into the secular world.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_00: So I would discourage doing becoming extraordinary minister because they can easily take care of large crowds through through altar rails, quite honestly, um, and a minimal amount of you know of extraordinary minister of the Holy Communion.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: If you're struggling for sure in any way, if you're not under right order in your home and your husband's not in the faith and all that, you need to be focusing on that.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_00: If you got children leaving the faith, you need to be focusing all your prayer efforts on that.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_00: And and it's good to help the church in other ways, but you know, I'm I'm a bit of an old-fashioned hardliner on this stuff when it when it comes to that, because I've just seen too many times.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_00: I've seen too many cases where people come from the occult and witchcraft.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: And then I've got cases where it's like very active parishioners, DREs, Eucharistic ministers, uh, church secretaries.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_00: There's an there is a pattern that I've seen in my experience working local cases of very active people that are also undergoing some affliction.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_00: Better to step back.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_00: That's why in our protocol, if you're getting afflicted, none of that ministries, none of that apostolic work focused on prayer and family.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_00: Jesus didn't say uh to the Father, you need to get more active in the church and and be an usher and and and a lecture.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, he said, have faith, do penance.
1:11:51
SPEAKER_00: This type comes out through parent penance.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_03: Oh, so because uh your family is your first ministry.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, Agent, you know what?
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: The Lord, when I get called home, right?
1:12:01
SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna say, Dan, man, your PhD was spot on.
1:12:07
SPEAKER_00: Let's go to chapter three of the PhD, man.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_00: That was good.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_00: Dan, your book on generational curse, thank goodness you wrote that one.
1:12:14
SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna really get into how you unpacked Ezekiel.
1:12:18
SPEAKER_00: You really did a masterful job.
1:12:20
SPEAKER_00: He's not.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna say, Dan, come on, let's line them up.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_00: Your wife, your children, those I entrusted to you under your care, under your authority, how did you do?
1:12:31
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be called accountable for that.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_00: And the priest for his parish, the bishop for his diocese, we're gonna be called accountable to those under whom through that God has placed under us.
1:12:41
SPEAKER_00: And so we have to stay focused on first things.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_00: The domestic before you go spinning, make sure that you're focusing on the domestic church where God is entrusted to you.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_03: Because they're not sure.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_00: No, because it but we're seeing this blending of the two priesthoods.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_00: Because of this influence of the charismatic renewal from Protestantism, we're seeing the collapse of the two priesthood, which is just Lutheran, right?
1:13:06
SPEAKER_00: Which is just a which is just a one of Luther's concepts.
1:13:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, a priest is no no no no more important in the church of God than the smallest of infants, you know, lay people.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's the problem, is that we have this concept that has been brought in and through modernism that that we now have we now have this modernist collapse of the authority structure in the hierarchs, holy rule, priestly rule.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_00: If you think of the the imagery when you see at the Latin Mass, or at least in the Novus Order Mass, where there's altar rails, right, the priest in persona Christ confects the sacrament.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_00: He offers God to God in persona Christie, right?
1:13:49
SPEAKER_00: He consummates and consumes at the at the end, when he receives communion, when he consumes the host, the sacrifice is complete.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_00: That is a communion rail, but it's also an altar rail.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_00: And we also make our offering in union with his offering of Christ to God, and we can we receive communion at that moment.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_00: We offer ourselves to God as well.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_00: And all of our sufferings, all of our sacrifices, all of our fears and all of our problems with our kids and our spouses and our in-laws and our parents or whatever, we offer all those things, our bodily pains, our spiritual pains.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_00: That commonality between the ordained priesthood and the priesthood of the laity is sacrifice.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_00: It's sacrifice.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_00: And we've lost that.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: We've lost that.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_00: And so we've had this collapse, this collapse of these two priesthoods, and we have to re-re recover that, that we participate, united together the two priesthoods in suffering and and penance.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_00: We have to return to that mindset.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_00: And in fact, uh, Pius X said that the pro he said the previous generation of Catholics had to had to deal with the Protestants, would have to rest some battle with the pro with the era of the Protestants from this generation forward.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_00: So he was a hundred years ago, basically, a little more or less a hundred years ago, will have to do battle with the with the era of modernism.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_00: And the idea of modernism, there is, there's a collapse.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_00: You know, this idea that we are all the same.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: We are all the same in dignity.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_00: But a priest is a priest forever.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_00: When when Moses, um, when when when Moses sets forth the priesthood of Aaron and his sons, right, he says in Exodus 28, you shall, you clothe your brother Aaron and his sons, anoint and ordain them, consecrating them as my priest.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_00: Literally, it's anoint, consecrate their hands.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_00: Anoint, fill their hands, and consecrate them.
1:15:42
SPEAKER_00: The word consecrate is the word forget, sanctify, make holy, hagias, hagiase, says the Greek.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_00: Set them apart that they may serve as priests to me.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_00: So this setting apart, there is a separation.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_00: This is why the the the rail separates the sacred from the profane, the secular from the sacred, from the priestly.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_00: And we have to maintain those distinctions for right order.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_00: And so it's it it so having that separation, I think, is very important and focusing on your domestic church, focusing on making holy there, right, right.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_00: So, so uh in a priestly in a priestly uh ideology, if you will, that separation is of time, space and status.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_00: We have liturgical time separating secular time.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_00: We have liturgical space, we have a tabernacle, we have a church separates from the secular, and we have liturgical status, priestly versus uh the laity.
1:16:39
SPEAKER_00: And so we must maintain those distinctions because it's through ritual that we bring order out of chaos, holiness out of the profane, the clean from the unclean, and life from death.
1:16:49
SPEAKER_00: And so by us being set apart as Christians in the Christian family, we in our priestly role, our secular, universal priestly role, should be doing that first in our homes and into society, bringing order out of chaos, holiness out of the profane, clean from unclean, and life from death, bringing the gospel, because God is ultimately going to call us accountable.
1:17:09
SPEAKER_00: So, so it's not a popular, it's not a popular statement, but for me, when I started focusing less on trying to, you know, be so hyper-involved in the church and just focusing on my family and what God is calling me to do, I'm much more effective in your home and much more effective in culture as well.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for that, Dr.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_03: Dan.
1:17:31
SPEAKER_03: And maybe last question What is the biggest uh lesson or takeaways that you want your readers be to learn from your book, from this from your newest book, Dr.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_03: Dan?
1:17:42
SPEAKER_00: I think the big one is um having hope.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_00: Have hope.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, when I was working on the book, my wife was like, What are you writing?
1:17:50
SPEAKER_00: And I said, Well, I told her what I'm doing, I'm on a generational curse.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_00: And she says, make sure you leave people with hope, right?
1:17:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, she always tells me when I go to leave and give a conference at a parish or at a conference, whatever, she'll say, make sure you don't depress, right?
1:18:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, don't depress, uh, don't try to impress, but bless.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: Bless, don't depress, you know, because it could be very depressing, you know.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_00: It can be very depressing.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_00: So we we should have hope that that even in the midst of suffering, in our sorrows, God is bringing about greater good.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: If you understand authentic discipleship, Jesus says three things.
1:18:26
SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna be my disciple, you must do these three things daily, he says.
1:18:30
SPEAKER_00: Deny yourself, pick up your cross, and follow me daily.
1:18:34
SPEAKER_00: These are the conditions of discipleship.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_00: If this is not Chris Catholicism is not for the weak, right?
1:18:40
SPEAKER_00: It's not for the weak.
1:18:41
SPEAKER_00: I got a buddy of mine who is a Navy SEAL, SEAL Team Six, tough guy, multiple black belts and multiple martial arts, heavyweight boxing champion in the Navy, beast, huge guy.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: And he tells people, you're not tough enough to be Catholic.
1:18:56
SPEAKER_00: You don't know how to do penance, you don't have to fast, you like to eat meat every Friday, you know, you can have sex any way you want, you can contracept.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_00: Catholicism is masculine.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_00: It's difficult, right?
1:19:07
SPEAKER_00: It's difficult.
1:19:08
SPEAKER_00: So embrace, embrace it, the depths of the faith.
1:19:11
SPEAKER_00: But for those that are suffering, have hope.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_00: Do not give in to despair.
1:19:15
SPEAKER_00: God will deliver.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_00: Have hope.
1:19:17
SPEAKER_00: Keep battling it out, keep keep grinding it out, doing battle against these things because God has chosen, you know, you to help, to help bring about greater good in your family through your suffering.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_00: You are, if you are the one suffering, you're the one Christ has asked to help bring grace.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_00: God says, that woman, okay, yeah, she's strong.
1:19:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna let her bear the cross for a while so that grace will pour out into the whole family.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_00: And so never give up hope.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_00: I had a lady walk up to me after a conference.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_00: I was giving a Paris mission, and she said, Hey, I just wanted to come see you.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_00: I live about an hour and a half away, but um, I heard you on a podcast a while back, and it was five years ago, so I I hardly remembered the podcast, but she said you were talking about the authority structure on this podcast.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_00: And so I I just want you to know at that time, our daughter was 15 and she was she was um struggling with gender dysphoria and wanted to transgender, you know, to male.
1:20:18
SPEAKER_00: And we were, as you can imagine, beside ourselves.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_00: And I want you to know that what you're teaching and what Father Ripiger's teaching on the authority structure saved our marriage, and it's brought our daughter back from a very bad place.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_00: So it might take time.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_00: So five years later, they put into practice the authority structure, um, got their home in right order.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_00: The husband starts engaging, and together they engage, overlap their shields, and do did battle with this wickedness of transgenderism that had afflicted their good Catholic family.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_00: This was an educated woman from a good her brother is a priest.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're a good Catholic family, but they got things back in order and it brought their daughter back from a very dark place.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_00: And so it may take time, but you just got to be willing to do the word and lean into it, bear that cross, do as I say and not as I do.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_00: It's very difficult.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_00: But when you do, you see grace pour out.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_00: So never, ever, that's the message.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_00: Never give up.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_00: We are going to do battle until the day we die to bring our family in back into full union and reconciliation with God.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_00: That's what God has called us to do.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
1:21:30
SPEAKER_03: That's very inspiring and very hopeful, especially to our viewers right now.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_03: And I'm sure they're so excited to dive on your about your book and maybe where can everyone follow your teachings, your books, and your work, Dr.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_03: Dunn.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can put it in the show notes.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_00: I've started uh new apostolate with Jesse Romero, a teaching.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do spiritual warfare, catechesis, formation, all this stuff.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_00: Book studies.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do a book study on this pretty soon.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's called the go to the holyleaginstitute.com, sign up for classes.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_00: Jesse's getting ready to do a class on angels and demons starting in a couple weeks.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_00: Maybe go so holyleaginstitute.com, sign up so you can get my books through tanbooks, uh, tanbooks.com, Amazon.
1:22:12
SPEAKER_00: If you're in the Philippines, I think you probably have Amazon there.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_00: It's better to go for the publisher, but Amazon is over there as well.
1:22:17
SPEAKER_00: And any Catholic publishers may have them over there as well.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: So um that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of focusing on writing and I'm working on the next book right now.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_00: I've got I've got my work cut out for me, you know, and no rest for the weary and no rest for the wicked.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_00: And uh so I'm I got a lot of work to do ahead of me, and and uh I'm I'm grinding it out just like you and learning though how to do this safely, effectively, and with hope.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_00: With hope.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_00: That's the big thing.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_00: You look at our world, it's gone mad.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_00: The re the revealing of the Epstein files, the the what's going on in the world and the wickedness behind Hollywood, government, all these things.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_00: But we should have hope.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_00: We should have joy and hope in this, and that God, like Mordecai told Esther when she was she did not want to do what her uncle asked her, what she knew she had to do, go and approach the king to stop this wickedness.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_00: He says, Who knows?
1:23:10
SPEAKER_00: For you were born for such a time as this.
1:23:13
SPEAKER_00: It would have been nice being born in the Philippines a generation ago when it was 90% Catholic and everybody was good and everybody walked to church together, you know, or Ireland, even in my lifetime, have gone when divorce was illegal and abortion was illegal to go to where they've become now.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_00: It would have been nice to live 100 years ago, 50 years ago in simpler times, but we were born for this time to engage with our families in our culture, to bring the light of truth, the Catholic faith, the fullness of the Catholic faith, the traditional Catholic faith, and the light of the darkness within the church itself as well, but also outside the church and into our our families and in the domestic church and into our culture.
1:23:51
SPEAKER_00: This is what we're called to do.
1:23:53
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_03: A big amen, Dr.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_03: Dan Schneider.
1:23:57
SPEAKER_03: And thank you so much for this conversation with you.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_03: And I'm always learning from everything that you share.
1:24:04
SPEAKER_03: And thank you for this interesting topic and very relevant, especially nowadays.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_03: And I'm sure uh you will give hope to those people who will watch this.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_03: And rest assured, Dr.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_03: Glad we are prayers.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_00: And everyone who's listened to your your great podcast.
1:24:19
SPEAKER_00: I really enjoy it.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_00: It's a real pleasure to be with you.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_00: It's a like a like-minded soldier in the Philippines.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_00: So thank you for having me on.
1:24:26
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Dr.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_03: Dan, and hope to uh you visit someday our country.
1:24:31
SPEAKER_03: Uh I would love that.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_03: It would be a pleasure.
1:24:33
SPEAKER_03: I've never been.
1:24:33
SPEAKER_03: Dr.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_03: Dan, uh, before we let you go, maybe you you give us a short prayer to all Philippines.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_00: Ask our angels to intercede for us in the name of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.
1:24:42
SPEAKER_00: Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom God's love and trust me here, ever this day be at my side, to light, to guard, to rule, and guide.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_00: St.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_00: Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_00: May God rebuke him.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_00: We humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of the soul.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_00: Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much, Dr.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_03: Dan Snyder, and thank you for for this opportunity and uh keep in touch and uh hope to see you again.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_00: You bet, stay in touch, God bless.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_01: God bless.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye, Dr.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_01: Bye.
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