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FanDan Talks Sports EP3 · FanDan Talks Sport

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  SPEAKER_02: We'll do it live.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, we're gone.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Fandan Talks Sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Fandan Talks or Aiden.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is my co-host for this evening.
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  SPEAKER_02: Special guest.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might know him from his well-known accolades in the sporting field.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a top reporter for the NFL.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have Hayden Kendall.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the introduction, Aiden.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Aiden.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Aiden's buddy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're here to talk some football.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: We got a lot to go over.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to talk over football.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Let's give the congratulations to the Milwaukee Brewers for the first uh World Series victory.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they just dominated.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: There's no there was nobody else that could compete, honestly.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Once the Dodgers are out, it's over.
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  SPEAKER_02: But again, this is the NFL talk.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got a lot of discussions to go over.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hayden, why don't you give uh background in who you sport, real quick?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh background.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if we could see this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Broncos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Broncos, baby.
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  SPEAKER_01: This champ Bailey right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Love them, that's my team.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Aiden reps Philly.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: I read Broncos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big fan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I got.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, I mean, it's just the way it is, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's a big Broncos fan, he's been for his entire life.
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  SPEAKER_02: But whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're alright.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um they're not bad in their standings.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Alright, you want to go over standings real quick before we really get into awards and discussions?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: How do I pull up the standings on ESPN?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: I just look up NFL standings online and then I can go to the Google and then it shows.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, right here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh just run through.
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  SPEAKER_02: You want to cover the AFC East, I'll cover the NFC?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So AFC, Bills 5-1, Patriots 4-3, Jets 2-5, and Dolphins 1-5.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dolphins just got their first victory over the Jets.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was honestly pretty good game.
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  SPEAKER_01: 28-25.
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  SPEAKER_01: Malik Wills didn't do too bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Geno Smith didn't do too bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Bills are just so dominant, but the Patriots are coming back right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: They started off rough.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: But what this would be their oh no, they just lost to the Bears.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they've been killing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh AFC North, Browns 5-2, Steelers 5-2.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bengals 4-2.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ravens 4-3.
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  SPEAKER_01: Browns 5-2.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Never would have thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pittsburgh Steelers 5-2.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're just the Steelers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do decent enough every year to get in the playoffs.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Bengals 4-2.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're third in the North, which kind of blows my mind a bit, honestly.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Bro's been killing it this year.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the Ravens are four and three.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't have Lamar, and they're only good in the first half.
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  SPEAKER_01: So But Steelers and Browns are about to play, so one of those are about to drop.
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  SPEAKER_01: South Jags four and two, Colts two and five, Texans two and five, and Titans one and six.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jags are probably just gonna run away with it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just to just to just CJ Stroud's having a really good year, so him being two and five.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what is what is going on over there in the Houston Texans world, but they're just really dropping the ball.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Colter just traded away other players, so they're probably about to just beat two and fifteen.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and Titans are the Titans.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, AFC West is what I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chiefs five and one, Broncos five and two, Raiders three and four, and the Chargers are oh and six.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh hopefully the Broncos beat the Chiefs.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think if we beat them, we move up, if I'm not mistaken.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think because you haven't lost anybody in the division.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think we would move up, yeah.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then Raiders 3-4, man.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: They what did they start?
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  SPEAKER_01: 3-0?
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  SPEAKER_01: They were three and oh in a row.
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  SPEAKER_02: They've lost four in a row.
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  SPEAKER_01: Four in a row.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kirk Cousins is doing really good.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Kirk Cousins is doing great.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he takes a lot of the blame.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't get it.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's talking to the media like it's his fault that they're losing.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's better at quarterback.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, but he's been so good.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like you you can't blame him.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: Ash and Genti really hasn't done much as somebody who has him on my fantasy squad.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: He had like one week that was good, and then everywhere else he's just either hurt or just not doing well.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, his his two main targets are Brock Bowers and Trey Tucker.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Trey Tucker should not be your number one target if you want to compete.
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  SPEAKER_02: Especially in this division.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because going into this division, everybody thought the Chargers were gonna be good this year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the Raiders really didn't add any offensive threats besides Kirk Cousin and their obvious rookie quarterback, Fernando Mendoza.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Mendoza hasn't unstarted, and Kirk's been great, but I mean to compete with the Broncos, the Chiefs, you gotta add, and they just add enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their defense, I mean, they're letting up 25 plus points a game.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, they played the Bills, they've played the Rams.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're playing against elite offenses, you gotta at least try to do something on the other side of the ball.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, that's the standings for the AFC.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: Takeaway.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh another thing about the Raiders that kills me is like at the beginning of the season, we're talking about how their defense is so good.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Nicobe Dean, their linebacker, was obviously a front runner for defensive player of the year first couple games of the year.
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  SPEAKER_02: They've fallen off the cliff.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the Browns, they're an interesting case of where their defense has allowed more points than their offensive has scored.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're still number one in their division, and that's fucking nuts.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: That that shouldn't I said the F-word, don't focus on that.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_02: But that's nuts.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's that's unbelievable that a team can allow more points than they're scoring and still be number one.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, Broncos aren't far behind them, but they're 144 scored, 144, 141 against.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, yeah.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Having a positive record like that, especially with three extra wins, and you're drop, I mean, you're letting so many people just in the end zone.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's ridiculous.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the Bengals being 4-2, and they have 40 more points scored than scored against is pretty crazy.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who they've been playing.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: The Bengals' defense has actually been really good this year.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not quite sure.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: You get rid of Hendrickson, who's been your star edge for years, and then all of a sudden you become a good team.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make any sense.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you you lose him and grab Dexter Lawrence.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden you're shutting people down.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is Dexter Lawrence even doing anything this year?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I haven't seen anything about him.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: He must be doing something.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna look this up.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: I have not heard a single thing about him.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: Four sacks.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: He has four sacks, um, eighteen tackles, seven tackles for loss.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's not terrible.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean he's on pace for his career eye.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, there we go.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I couldn't hear anything over you.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: This King Super Zad.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: He has he has four sacks and seven tackles for loss.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a bad season.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's on probably pace for like nine sacks this season.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's actually pretty good.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: I guess when you go from a city like New York, where the media coverage is so heavy, to somebody like Cincinnati Bengals that kind of disappear unless you're Jamar Chase or Joe Burrow.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just they're two star players on your team where they only focus on covering the those two.
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  SPEAKER_02: Alright, let's go over the NFC, and then we'll get into these early predictions and awards and comeback player of the year.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we'll start with the NFC East.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is an abysmal division.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just scrap the whole division, burn it, burn it, send it to hell.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you gotta do.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is terrible.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the Giants are leading 4-2-1.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, the Cowboys are 3-4-0, Eagles are 2-5-0, Commanders are 1-4-1.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's terrible.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: That is terrible.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Rough.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the only team that has, I mean, there's actually two teams that have positive point differential, and it's the Giants and Cowboys, and combined, it's 11-point differential.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's really not great.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: The Eagles obviously started off the season 2-0.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: They lost five in a row, fired Nick Sirion.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's a fucking joke.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: I hate that guy.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sick and tired of him.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'm cussing.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's he's dog water.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's straight dog water.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, he's not even good enough to give to your dog.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's terrible.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: We'll go to the NFC North.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: The Vikings are 6-0.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're the last team that's undefeated.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's impressive what this defense is doing.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're the only team in the league that has not allowed 100 points on the season.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: They're unbelievable.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: 74.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's 74.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: 51 differential.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: Their offense of their offense is obviously not churning up the points, but their defense is allowing no scoring.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: What did they do last week?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like they did something crazy last week.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, walk-off pick, Harrison Smith in the fourth.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they held the Colts to 10 points the week before that, the Saints to 13, the offense 10.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they held the Bears to three points at one point this season.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say those last year aren't very strong teams.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's insane.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: The Bears are 5-2, Lions four and two, Packers four and three.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think although the Vikings are undefeated, they're 6-0.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think the odds on favorite to win is gonna be the Bears.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: They're 5-2.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: They're just so good.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Caleb Williams is awesome.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: The running game is low-key kind of good.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the NFC South.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is also a terrible division, but it's also another division that I support.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: You get the Panthers on top that are three and three, the Falcons three and four, Buccaneers two and five, Saints two and five.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um anybody's game in there.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Anybody's game.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I mean they're all a negative point differential besides the Buccaneers, and I think the Buccaneers are only a positive point differential because of this past week.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: So 41 to what was it, 13?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so nothing crazy like that.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it is not a good division.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: None of these teams are winning the Super Bowl, sadly.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to see, I would love to see nothing more than Bryce Young to hold the Lombardi, but he's not gonna this year.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: This year, next year, I'll vote for him.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: NFC West, you got the 49ers 6-1, Seahawks 4-3, Rams 3-4, Cardinals 2-5.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Seahawks are still my favorite in this division, although the Rams are also there, and so are the 49ers.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: This is a really good division.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: The really good division besides the Cardinals.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you could just put the Rams in the NFC South and the Seahawks in the NFC East, I mean, those those teams will lead those divisions.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the Seahawks are obviously the Super Bowl winner last year.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they just dominated the Chiefs, and I mean it wasn't close.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, their run game was good for the first time this season.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think that's a it was kind of a jab at Kenneth Walker to be like, hey, we can do it without you here.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the Rams, I don't know what's going on.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're a good team.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they've been playing good.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Their defense has surprisingly not been great, and I thought they were gonna be the best defense this year.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: On paper, they I mean, if you were just to look at their squad on paper, you would automatically think they're going and winning it all.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then the 49ers, they're just impressive.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: They're they impress me every year.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they almost have 200 points this season.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're tied with the Bills for the most points in the league, and the Bills obviously give up more points on defense.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think the 49ers are gonna win the Super Bowl, in my opinion.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be somebody like the Bills.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, I would love to see the Jaguars win.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, God Jaguar would be pretty cool.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: God loves Trevor Lawrence, and so do I, so I would love to see that happen.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um those are the standings for the NFC.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do you have any closing statements on the NFC?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um NFC, no, I mean, obviously strongest division is the West.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you got three powerhouse teams down there, and then you just got the Arizona Cardinals.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean I will say impressive victory by the Falcons.
• 13:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: To take the Niners to 6-1.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think I would not have thought that would have been the team to do it, but I mean that's just how it goes.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um Vikings, I think I just don't.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy that their defense is just so good because I can't really think of what they did to do that.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've always been, I feel like, a pretty solid defense, but I mean 74 points allowed, and we're in week eight is just unreal.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is pretty crazy.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that they're undefeated.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: We I mean, we talk about a team that doesn't really have a standout quarterback.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they've had two quarterbacks this season, Kyle Murray, Carson Wentz, and then obviously they got rid of JJ McCarthy, who's doing good in New York, but he's been doing really good.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: The Vikings are doing just fine without him with bad QB play.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I I mean they have 125 points.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: If you look, they would be the lowest points for in the NFC East, who which is a bad division.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: The the Eagles have more points than them.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: The Commanders have more points.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're talking about a team like the Saints has more points.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: The Cardinals, the Cardinals have more points.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's crazy.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: We could look at the Jets have more points.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Jets have more points.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: I that's bad.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Not the Dolphins, not the Chargers.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but teams that aren't even gonna make the playoffs.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Raiders actually having 183 points is pretty crazy.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, nuts.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that they are winning a division and they're have 125 points on the year going into week eight.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's nuts.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's nuts.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: They're averaging what less than 10 points around 12 points a game right now on them.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, something like that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's crazy.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and they're averaging maybe what 20?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: So they're not not even 20.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: I hate to say it.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're frauds.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think the Vikings are frauds.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, if you look at their strength, the schedule, who the hell are they playing?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think they'll lose this week against the Lions.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's who they play is the Lions.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, they do play the Lions.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: I do think they lose to the Lions.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, their first week, they dominated the Packers 39-22, and then you see the defense kick in.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Vikings beat the Bears 9-3, beat the Buccaneers 23-16, beat the Dolphins 15-20, beat the Saints 23-13, Colts 16-10.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, all actually, the only two teams that they've beat that are in playoff context are the Packers and the Bears.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's crazy.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's week one and two.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, it's the Buccaneers, Dolphins, Saints, Colts, and I think all four of those teams have the same amount of wins.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: If you combine all four of those teams, I'm pretty sure they have the same amount of wins the Vikings do.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's terrible.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not for all, yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: At least it's close, right?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 1-1.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly right.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Holy cow.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's crazy.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's four teams combined.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's real.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: That that's I mean, I like the Vikings, I like their defense all right now, but it's not sustainable, especially if they're gonna go play teams that are hungry.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: The Lions obviously are gonna win, I think.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Then they play the Bills, Packers, 49ers, and then they go Falcons, Panthers, but then you go back to the Patriots, Lions, Commanders, Jets, and you close out the year with the Bears.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you have a good first half of the year, you're gonna be happy, and then the second half of the year preset.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they might lose four straight to the Lions, Bills, Packers, 49ers.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then we're talking about a team that's six and four, and if they can get into the playoffs.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's a crazy turnaround.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, they're lucky they played the Buccaneers when they did.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um Baker hasn't been good, and I look at his stats during that game.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: He was terrible.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did not do good.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: He did horrible.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know what's going on with them.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: I expect the Buccaneers to bounce back.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, especially if Bucky Irving keeps doing good.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean the Vikings are going down.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think the NFC South, I don't think there's a single team that is better than the others.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: I would like to say the Panthers, and that's because I like Bryce Young.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: But besides Bryce Young, what does that team really have?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they have a good run game, but their defense is not great.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're obviously they're giving up more points than they're getting.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then on top of that, their offensive line is just not great.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know they they spent so much money on the offensive line this year, and it's done nothing.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it doesn't look like it really changed much.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, it doesn't change.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: I it's gotta be an issue with their offensive line coach or something that's going on in the building because it's terrible.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: They spent the most money on their offensive line this past offseason, and it's still bad.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's still really bad.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: The NFC is kind of a wash.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think, besides like a couple teams, like I think the Bears have a really good chance of winning the Super Bowl, the 49ers.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Seahawks haven't looked good enough, and they don't have that run game that like makes me feel good without Kenneth Walker.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then the Rams, I just is it too late?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: They're three and four.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know what's really going on with them.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: They can't win at home, they're one and three at home.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I wouldn't say it's too late.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, looking at their schedule, you got Chargers, Commanders, Cardinals.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Those are your next years, so should be should be through a clean three sweep right there.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then you got Packers, then you got Chiefs, Cowboys, Seahawks, Bucks, and Seahawks.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So really you're only worrying about one, two, three, maybe four teams.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: So um you're hoping that they go nine and six, really.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Not as wait, that doesn't make sense.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Ten and six, they could go ten-six or ten and seven, ten and seven.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that wouldn't be bad.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: I also think you know they're not really utilizing Howard Williams as much.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, even though it's a little bit more of a Blake Corm kind of stepping in and taking it.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um But it's just it's just crazy to me.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this whole offseason, all you've heard is talks about the Rams.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean sure, sure run front runners or whatever you might say.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean you look at them, they've lost to the Niners, the Broncos, the Bills, and then they lost to the Cardinals.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I think that really took the wind out of their sails.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: But then even their wins, I mean, like you got 28 and 6 on the Giants, cool.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: You got 24 and 20 against the Eagles.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna put my opinion out there.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I leave that for you.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: The Eagles are terrible.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then 20 35 to 21 against the Raiders.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, the the three teams you're playing that you won against, which the Eagles, I'm just like, uh feel bad for the Eagles right now.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: They're terrible.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: The the main thing with the Rams is they are if they're losing, it's close games.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Broncos 30-26, um, Bills 37-34, Cardinals 18-16, which the Cardinals are terrible, but you're losing by two points.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, if they're losing, it's typically pretty close, besides the 49ers who beat them 27-7.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: But that that was a bad man managerial decision to come to Australia late.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you can chalk it up to a lot of things.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Donald wasn't playing like that was a bad week one for them.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: They flew in late to Australia, they get their butt spanked.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: But everything else, a lot of the these losses are really close, but their wins, they're kind of blowing everybody.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Out besides the Eagles, go Birds.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it they're an interesting team where they're either close to winning or they're dominating.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean they're they're just right there.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to go into predictions on awards?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: So uh going down from the list, MVP.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: MVP, or should we save that one for last?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: I won't save it for the last one.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Save it for last.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Save it for last because I think that's more of a discussion.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know who my MVP, my MVP would be at this point, so I think I want to talk about that.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know either, but I do know who my offensive player of the year ward is.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, there's no other person to put besides JSN up there.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy has the guy has more receiving yards than quarterbacks have passing yards in the league right now.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like you go from uh, you know, 6-0 Minnesota Vikings, right?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: You got Kyler Murray, has 812 passing yards.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty sure JSN's at the cusp of 900 receiving yards.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: He has three touchdowns and two interceptions.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: So JSN has more receiving yards, more touchdowns, and the guy can't throw an interception, so that doesn't matter.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, you're you're you got a guy up there who's just outperforming everybody.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean everybody in those positions.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I agree.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's who I have as my odds on favorite when offensive player of the year.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he has 867 yards.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he leads the league in yards, he leads the year uh in touchdowns, he has eight touchdowns in the year, and he leads in first downs.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: He has 43 um yards per game.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: He has 123.9.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: What is that pace over 17 games?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: 17 games.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is he gonna get he might hit 2,000 yards, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh at an average of 124 for 17 games, it's 2,100 yards.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's insane.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: We've never seen anybody do that.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: So he's coming off of a year where he already led the league with a hundred and 1,793 with 10 touchdowns.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: He only had 10 touchdowns last year in seven games.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's eight.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he is just he is just so even second place.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's 200, 200, and what is that, 16 yards above CD Lamb, who's in second place with two more touchdowns and an average of 30 yards a game higher.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the the guy is just elite.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he is just I mean, no matter where he goes, yeah.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, every game he's played, he's just tore up that defense every game.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a lot of discussion on his drops right now.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: He leads the league in drops.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: But when you're doing so much with the football and you drop it, I don't know, one out of ten times.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm okay with that.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: As somebody who watched the Eagles and watched them last year, we dismissed a lot of AJ Brown's drops because when AJ Brown was right, he was right.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: JSN, he's always right, he's always balling out.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like he he's dropping these balls, but then the next play, he's catching the ball five like a five-year comeback route, and then he's going 40 yards down the field.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like he's so good, he's so shifty.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: His hands aren't the best in the league, but everything else is the best in the league.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, he's he's my clear favorite for offensive player of the year.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think Bijan and Jameer Gibbs are good discussions if you want to give it to a running back, but JSN has more yards, I think more touchdowns than both of them.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's it's just impressive, especially because we're talking about JSN who played with a backup quarterback earlier this year, too.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and Drew Locke.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so still put up 120 plus yards a game.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like the another whole different quarterback comes in, a whole different thing, and you still are just producing that right such an elite level way and just so far above the competition.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean, if if you don't have him in your offensive player of the year, I mean you're you're wrong.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're wrong, you're you're you're wrong at this point.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, uh I mean the only other player close to him for yards a game is say flowers, and he has 101.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he has 22 yes less yards.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, 22 less yards is a lot.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, that's crazy.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: So he's just really good.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know if he's the best wide receiver.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I'd still have Jamar Chase in that discussion.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would too.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: But he's clearly the best wide receiver this year and was last year.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I think he's I mean he's clearly the the number one guy for offensive player of the year.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean if you're trying to if you I know you mentioned talk about the running backs and stuff.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, top five guys are Bijan, Kenneth Walker, James Cook, Jameer Gibbs, and Jonathan Taylor.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: And like Bijan, yeah, freak athlete, Kenneth Walker, came to Kansas City and just started tearing people up.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: James Cook, um, really good.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Jameer Gibbs.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh, I mean, they're all unreal players, but I mean, you're looking at this.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all four of the top guys are above a hundred yards per game.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's still less.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: That is crazy.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's crazy.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Still less, and the highest one with the yards per game is Kenneth Walker at 116.8.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Seven touchdowns, or no, no, no, no, no.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Six touchdowns on the year.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Bijan four, James Cook four, Jameer seven, and Jonathan Taylor eight.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's crazy looking at this being like oh a wide receiver has more yards than all the top running backs, has more touchdowns.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I understand if you said yards, I think that's like yards are pretty iffy with running backs to wide receivers, but more touchdowns, that's crazy.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's yeah, but you're also talking about running backs that also are like receiving backs, too.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're talking about dual threat back there.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Jameer Gibbs, Bijan.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all these guys are I mean elite elite running backs, but then I mean they could go torture defense in the pass game, too.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it doesn't really matter.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're all so good, and I'm still below him.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just don't think there's anybody else who could even play.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Bijan, if you do all-purpose yards, he's got 907 uh because he has 203 receiving yards and one touchdown there.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that's great.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then if we look at Jameer Gibbs, Jameer Gibbs has 270.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: There's much more American than played.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he has 270 yards receiving in two touchdowns.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he has more touchdowns on this season, um, but he's close to having all-purpose yards to JSN if you add that.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think JSN just kind of runs away with it.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, especially if he keeps this up.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: I could see Bijan and Jameer Gibbs really pushing for it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: I honestly think Kenneth Walker's gonna start falling off a little bit.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think a lot of this has been like get back towards Seattle for just like kind of letting him go.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I think he will kind of fall off, especially after losing to Seattle last week.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be it's gonna be hard on him mentally to bounce back for that.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: I like Kenneth Walker a lot.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: I hope he continues to have a good season.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's just something I'm kind of worried for.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um but and then obviously Jonathan Taylor could only get better.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's rumors that he's gonna get traded to the Broncos, so that would be pretty crazy.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: The Broncos obviously need a running back because you have JK Dobbins, who's dog water.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I mean the guy's uh he's just not really doing good.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's super injury prone.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's 25th in the league in rushing right now.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean with all seven games played.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I I I Coleman, I like him a lot.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I like him a lot.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's a I think he personally is a better rusher.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we've haven't really seen much of him yet, but I feel like once he maybe gets the ball rolling, he might start doing pretty well.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna say amazing, but I think when you're a rookie running back, you know, on on a team with a pretty difficult record.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how well could you do?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I think he's gonna start doing good.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: RJ Hari's good good running back as well.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think we utilize him a little bit more in the passing game.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'd be cool if we got Jonathan Taylor.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I there's a couple teams that would need him, but preferably I'm the Denver.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, I mean, what do you offer?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like uh I mean they're selling everybody, and so far their trades have been really bad.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like they haven't gotten anything.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, you offer up like a second round pick and a six, does that get it done for Jonathan Taylor?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't I I don't think so.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's like really their best player on the team.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean You think they need a first?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I think they would probably need a little bit more than a second and a sixth for sure.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think maybe like a second, two seconds, and like a fourth or something.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think a team's giving up a first for him.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's there's I just don't think that happened.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: As good as Jonathan Taylor is.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what's his contract looking like?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: Did they just re-up him?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think they might have.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: That would really suck for them.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so okay, he's only he's got one year after this.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, okay.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, that doesn't make any sense.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's a free agent after 2028.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you got two more you two full years of Jonathan Taylor.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: He's 27.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: He's at the age where running guys kind of fall off.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think anybody gives up more than a second for him.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just based off of trades going on.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think Jonathan Taylor is worth a first-round pick.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't see a team trading a first-round pick.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: I just it's just not likely, especially for a running back.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: The only teams I could picture actually giving up a first-round pick would be uh maybe Minnesota.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was just about to say that.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Jones Sr.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: and Mason uh Jordan Mason.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jordan Mason.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was just thinking that.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, come on, dude.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then I mean Dolphins know you got HM when he comes back.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Jets, you got Brees Hall.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean the Seahawks.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Seahawks.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, but you just invested, you know, Jadarian with price period, whatever his name is.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: But he hasn't been good.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he hasn't even injured.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: He has been like you got Emmanuel Wilson who's been doing pretty good.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: You got Charbonnet in the back waiting to get cleared and stuff.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean what are the Bengals now?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Chase Brown.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you take Jonathan Taylor over Chase Brown any day.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even an injured Jonathan Taylor might be better than Chase Brown.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, yeah, hopefully we'll see what's going on with that.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: The Steelers would be kind of interesting.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Steelers going to get Jonathan Taylor because Aaron Rodgers has been playing good.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's been playing really well.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I think the Steelers being 5-2.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they really it sucks that they're in the toughest, I would say the toughest division in football right now.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the AFC North with the Bengals, Ravens, and oddly enough, the Browns.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: And they all have a winning record.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's gotta be hard for these teams to invest in somebody at this trade deadline.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because one thing falls apart.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Ravens, Lamar Jackson, if he becomes injured long term, obviously they're not in the race to make the playoffs.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they might as well chalk that season up.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Bengals scare me because Jamar Chase has been hurt, but T.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Higgins has stepped up.
• 35:12
  unknown: T.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Higgins is carrying it, yeah.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had a great game last week.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then the Steelers, I mean, this is crazy to say, but if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt, Will Howard comes in.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Will Howard hasn't he's started one game in the NFL, I think.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: So like that's a scary situation, especially post-acquisition of like somebody like Jonathan Taylor.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because then you you know that they're just gonna run the ball.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like at that point you just gotta focus on one person because you know everything else is gonna shut down.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, I think we get into the next topic, and I think we come back for comeback player of the year.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Who do you have?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's where we're gone.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's where we're gone.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's where we're gone.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: This one, I I've kind of been having a hard time, but there's one person that I think I have a feeling I don't know if you're gonna have the same one.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: I think we might.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Highly drafted and didn't really do much ever since he's came in.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this year he's second second place in sacks.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm interested to see where you're going with this actually.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know if this could be considered a comeback player of the year.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um but Chase Young.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Chase Young?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's I mean, he's a good player.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that is considered comeback player of the year.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is comeback player of the year somebody who's just been really bad and then started doing really good?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Or I think it's typically injuries or like I think Kirk Cousins won last year.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think Kirk Cousins also is a good good comeback player.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Kirk Cousins is actually a really good one.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think I think Chase Young could qualify.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, let's look at his because I feel like he was also hurt last year at some point.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um so let's look.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he he only played 12 games last season.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think he does qualify.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: He did have 10 sacks last year, so it's not like oh he had a bad year.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: He's actually pretty good since he's got to New Orleans.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but seven sacks in seven games.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's on pace for 17 sacks on the season.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: That would be amazing.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: I could see it.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it I think it is kind of a weak year for comeback player of the year.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's not a lot of people that I would be like, yeah, that's it.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I don't really know like who to pick.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Kirk Cousins would be a good one.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um what do you want to hear mine?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Mine is not Kirk Cousins.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I might be looking at who it is right now.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's Deshaun Watson.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, that's who I was just looking at.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because I as soon as I seen that name, I was like, oh damn.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like I do not like Deshaun Watson.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta clear the air.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: He is playing well.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: He's been playing well.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's a good pick, actually.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wish I would have thought of that.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: He's 5-2 as a starting quarterback this year.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um he has almost 1,200 yards passing.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: He's only got I mean, he has 1,500 yards passing already, so pretty good.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: He only has seven touchdowns to three interceptions, and he averages 211 yards a game, which isn't crazy.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: He has the most sacks in the league, um, with 25, but he's leading in game-winning drives, fourth quarter comebacks, uh coming off of a terrible season la he didn't even play last year, and the year before that, he was one and six.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: So like I think he's a perfect option for this.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he this year he has more than he's already played more games.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: This is the most games he's played since 2020.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: In in 2020, he almost had uh 5,000 yards.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he had 33 touchdowns, seven interceptions.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: He was a pro bowler.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he was, I mean, this was the guy that was in Houston.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Cleveland acquired him.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: He went to Cleveland immediately bad.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: He has turned that around.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's 5-2 on the season.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's not really turning over the ball, which is interesting for him.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I think he's a good candidate for it.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, any any player that's leading a team like the Browns to a winning record, I mean, that's insane.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: They lead the division.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: They're five and two.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I think if they win, I'll say if they win 10 games this season, Deshaun Watson wins comeback player of the year.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: If they do not hit 10 games, I don't think he wins.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think obviously the voters hate him.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll say that too.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like him.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's not a good guy.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, there's a lot of stuff with his history.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um but if he leads the Browns to 10 wins and he keeps up the touchdown to interception rate, I mean, he would go 14-6-21-9.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if he keeps up that progression, I think he's the odds-on favorite to win.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, although I don't like it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: He's I think he's kind of clearly that guy.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's come back to the Deshaun Watson of old, maybe.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy is just, I mean, when he was on the Texans, I mean that guy was he was unbelievable.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: He was unbelievable.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: He was so good.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was so good.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then even, you know, even for this guy to get traded, you know, not play for an extended period of time, and then still come into the Browns and then start leading them to winning in their division.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it is also something of note, like coming to preseason, he wasn't the odds on starter for the team.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was discussing to Suder Sanders and him having a QB battle in preseason.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: He obviously wins that.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: They're a playoff team right now.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um they're a playoff team.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: The Browns are the playoff team right now.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's yeah, they're that's a sentence that I haven't said in when was the last time they were a playoff team?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know when the last time they made the playoffs.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say it's in Oh, well.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: 2023.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what happened then?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think that's the um Joe Flacco year.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: When Joe Flacco came in and did good.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: But before that, uh, there were 2020, and then before 2020, it was 2002.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like they have had recent history.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: One of those years is 2020, which 2020 is 2020, and then a year where Joe Flacco led them to the playoffs, and they got smoked 45 to 14 in the wildcards.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they got yeah, they got them all, or something like that.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, the Browns being a contender is crazy because 2002, I was just born.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you were just born.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I wasn't even born when they were in the playoffs.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: True, you're born right after their playoffs.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: But like that's that's insane that the Browns have a chance to be a serious contender.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I think Deshaun Watson uh give it to him, even though he's a bad guy.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I retract my Chase Brown statement after seeing that.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as I looked at this, I kind of just immediately gravitated towards seeing it.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean the guy, I mean, the guy's playing good.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's he's winning games, he might be a horrible person, but I mean he's a football player, so he's doing what he needs to do.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then did you want to go over your offensive rookie of the year?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because I can I s I still really couldn't come to one, so I'm excited for it.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: One, so I have two written down.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: One of them is Carnell Tate.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I don't know.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's he's at what I think he's at 400 yards.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: 400.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's at, let's see, where is he?
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: One touchdown.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 400.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: 413 receiving yards, one touchdown.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I had one game where he had like 153 yards or something.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have looked at every not every single rookie receiver that's came in, but he leads He does.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: He leads the rookie receiver.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not maybe buying touchdowns, but I mean right now he is played seven games at 413 yards.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's you know doing pretty good, doing pretty solid with your I mean your quarterback's Cam Ward, who is just not no terrible.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's terrible.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Cam Ward's terrible.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's discussion that they might draft a quarterback this year.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I mean they could probably use one because he's not doing too hot.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, he could be doing better.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you got and you got more yards than Michael Wilson, Roma Dunze, DK Metcalf, Jamar Chase, even, but Jamar Chase has been injured.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Nico Collins.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so I mean, I feel like for a rookie receiver, he's doing pretty solid.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: But my second pick, Lamar Cooper Jr.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now this one is just kind of a hopeful scenario, but he was basically injured all the way up until week six.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: And in both of his games he's played, he has dropped over a hundred yards and has a touchdown in both games.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Which is crazy to think about when you have Garrett Wilson.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: You have got you got you got a guy like Garrett Wilson, one of the most athletic wide receivers.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that guy could catch anything.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you're you're in two games averaging what is like 103 yards a game and a touchdown as of in two games.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so he's already at 200.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's technically played three.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: He's technically played three.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was week one, but then he went out for injury.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, if you look at the full three game, he has two hundred and forty-eight yards in three games.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: Which I mean over full year, that's that's that's great.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I got I got him up there as a candidate, just thinking future tests.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's a good one.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: If he keeps up this pace, I mean that's a good one.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: Especially going to him.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they're thinking about trading uh Garrett out.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a good pick.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really good pick.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the only ones that I thought about were the obvious uh wide receivers in the Browns organization.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh KC Conception, that guy's awesome.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: I love KC.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: I love that guy.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's so cool.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he had a huge week last week, too.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he had like 128 yards.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: He missed a he missed his opportunity to score a touchdown, but yeah.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then you got Denzel Boston.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Denzel Boston's been doing solid as well.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: I guess that's just another accolade for Deshaun Watson, is he's got two rookie wide receivers, and they're both doing fairly well.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they're doing pretty good in the grand scheme of things.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: I like the Omar Cooper one.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a really good pick, considering he's played three games and he's already almost halfway there to somebody who's played the full seven.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: I like that pick a lot.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a really good pick.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: I would say Carno Tate is the odds-on favorite to win, but he's got a bad quarterback.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I just I just don't think Cam Ward like Carno Tate's route running is so good.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: He gets open.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: I see him open every time I watch the Titans.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: And he just never gets the ball.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I think Carnot Tate would be rookie of the year if he had a better offensive quarterback.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Cam Ward's still young.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I hope he does figure it out.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I like those picks.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think those are really good picks.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go defensive rookie of the year.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Who do you got?
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: I got two.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I got two as well.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I got two as well.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, go ahead.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: We got David Bailey.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: And Jacob Rodriguez.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we got the same two.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: We got the same two.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Jacob Rodriguez is so good.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: He's tackling everything that's fucking moving out there.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like that one week in Minnesota where they lost 18 tackles.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, the guy's just a ball hawk.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's he's all over the field.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's playing really, really well, I think, before the draft.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: And when they got when he got drafted, you and me uh talked about him and you informed me about who this guy is.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's so good.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, were you right?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's very good.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's very good.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it sucks to see him on such a terrible team, but this is a guy that I could see.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is it crazy to say that he's like a Bobby Wagner-esque?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like he's just getting tackles, he's all over the field.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, he's so good.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think um he was probably my favorite to win right now.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but and then you do have David Bailey, who has five and a half sacks and 21 tackles, and is that three force fumbles?
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mean, the guy is the guy is playing out of his mind.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: He is so good.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um grown men.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's he was a second round second overall pick this year.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think these are both really good players, and they both have a case.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think David Bailey will win because the edge is more of a premium position opposed to like a linebacker.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think so too.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: Which sucks.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think Jacob Rargers is very good.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: I would I would die to have him on the Eagles right now.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: I bet.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: I would I would trade Jahad Campbell for him.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: I would.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think I would.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he's so good.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's all over the place.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's all over the place.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and he can cover, like, he's not even a bad cover linebacker.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: He moves pretty well for his size, which he's 6'1, 235.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like he's hulking strong, but he moves well.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: He hits ya.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's just really good.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you got the ball, he's gonna be there.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: If you basically is what it is.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: If you're throwing it over the middle, uh, he's meeting you.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna hug.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh something.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: David Bailey.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: It is interesting that both these teams are so bad.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they got like electric players.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're both all over the place.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: These guys are both so good.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was actually looking up like who are the odds on favorite um to win it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think David Bailey is front runner right now, if I'm not mistaken.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um let's see.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Two win defense.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh rookie there.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: Bang.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I mean let's do Fox Sports.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see who they got won.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: David Bailey is number one.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then it's Arvel Reese.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: Number two.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then Jacob Rodriguez.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then Sony Styles.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sony Styles is another guy that I considered.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I mean Arvell Reese might have more of a conversation than we're talking about because the team's good too.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like, what's his stats?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's Arvell Reese doing?
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the Giants are kind of stacked in the I mean Arvell Reese is leads uh second place in solo tackles.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he got 39, 17 assists.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, he has a sack and a half.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and he's the only person he's behind is Alex Singleton right now in terms of the linebacker position.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um So he's just not getting the quarterback.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is he considered a linebacker right now?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Have they fully moved him to the linebacker position?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Then I think he's more of a conversation then.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think I mean, yeah.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I now that he now that we're talking about that, I mean I definitely I definitely think David Bailey is number one.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Jacob Rodriguez, I mean, Reese is doing a little bit more than I thought he was actually doing.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I he does have an interception too.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: Five tackles for loss.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good year.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he wins it.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think David Bailey does win it.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: He's just been so good.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I think we agree that David Bailey, Jacob Ragas are probably the guys to do it.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think we have one one award left to give.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think both two defensive and MVP.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, defensive player of the year.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get that out of the way.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, um who do you have?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: See, I don't really have one written down for here.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um Okay.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I'm just going based off QP pressure and tackle for loss and stuff, I mean Will Anderson.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's I was gonna say Will Anderson is seven and a half sacks, twelve tackles for loss.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's leads the league at both.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, the guy is just chasing that quarterback down, which is crazy to think about because the Pexons defense is just like letting everybody score.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't really know what's going on with that.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: They're supposed to be like a top three defense, and I mean they're letting people 25 points a game to the opposing team.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I mean second place would I know.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think I think Will Anderson is pretty much just the front runner right now.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think Will Anderson's it.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: Another guy we forgot to talk about on Defensive Rookie of the Year, Josiah Trotter.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: He's been great.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was just looking at linebackers, he's seventh in tackles, he's 62 tackles, 30 solo, one sack, um, three tackles for loss, an interception.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's having a really good year for a guy who wasn't highly drafted.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good year for him.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I don't think he wins it because again, it's a linebacker position.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I think that's a good good player there.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think, yeah, Will Anderson's I I I just don't see anybody really arguing with that.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's unless it's honestly like David Bailey, does he win Brooklyn year and defensive one of the year?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like that would be interesting to see.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: If David Bailey could pull that off, that would be especially if he keeps playing the way he is right now.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I definitely think there's a chance.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um a pretty good one, too.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's fifth place.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's tied with TJ Watt, uh Elijah Ponder, and Carl Granderson.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, it's just unreal.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he's I mean, I know you're saying all the linebacker position this and that.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: David Bailey is a linebacker.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Greg Rousseau's here too.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Greg Rousseau's an interesting linebacker, Dallas Turner.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I mean, like, yeah, you got you got two DNs leading one and two, Chase Young and Will Anderson Jr., but you got a rookie linebacker who's who's kind of creeping up and it could give you guys a run for your money.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think there will be a big change towards the end of the year.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of these players will get grilling.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um Max Crosby hasn't been good.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think he starts to pick it up.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um Nick Benito, I would like to see pick it up a little bit.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he'd be great.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's a player that will pick it up towards the end of the year.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Jeffrey Simmons, newly traded Jeffrey Simmons, um, already having a really good year.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, especially for a defensive tackle.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I see him kind of getting into this conversation a little bit.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Aiden Hutchinson, I think it'll make it better.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: He's really good.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's a dog.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: But when you talk about Will Anderson, I I don't know if there is a better defensive player.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: Not a not just taking this year, but just in general.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think Will Anderson's like I mean, he's JJ Watt 2.0.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, like JJ Watt, you saw him on the field, like he's like suffoc his presence is suffocating, and I think Will Anderson has that presence.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know if there's any cornerbacks in this discussion.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: Is there any cornerbacks that are like just lighting it up?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not that I could really think of.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um like I feel like it's kind of been an off year.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sertan's out, Christian Gonzalez, I mean, is doing Christian Gonzalezing.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Denzel Ward's doing good.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't how has Trent McDuffie been doing?
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't really heard anything about Trent McDuffie ever since he got to the top 10 corner in the league.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um Quinyan Mitchell has been hurt, so I don't think he's in the discussion anymore.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Cooper DeGene's been uh partying a little too much for anybody to like him right now.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I think it's just Will Anderson.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think you brought up Chase Young earlier.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think Chase Young um he needs to get the tackles up.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um sacks, but right.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um he's got even the past deflex.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um but forced fumbles, yeah.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think he just needs to get tackles in general up.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: But it is crazy that we're talking about Will Anderson and the Texans not having a good defensive year.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this guy has seven and a half sacks, seven games of the season.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: He has 33 tackles at that end position.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's just ends don't typically get tackle.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I think which is crazy because I mean you look at the offense, you got CJ Stroud at almost 1900 yards, 11 touchdowns, one interception.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, like what this should be a good team.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's not been a good team.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it is interesting to see Will Anderson, but also like Daniil Hunter.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: He also has four sacks, uh, 17 tackles, uh, four tackles for loss, a forced fumble.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is it their cornerbacks that are doing bad?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, are they just bad down the middle?
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not quite sure what's going on in Houston, to be honest.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I think it's just Will Anderson.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: He's just good.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know you mentioned if there's any cornerbacks right now, I gotta pull up.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's three first six first place ties, actually.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Byron Murphy, Xavier McKinney, Javon Holland, uh Bernardo Green, and Jordan Battle, and uh Masses for the Raiders.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: They all have three picks.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: Every single one of them.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: All of them are three.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Byron Murphy leads with pass deflections right now at six.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and Masses also has six.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, and then I mean there's a like twenty players at two picks right now, so I'm not gonna go every single one of those.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the most notable ones are Denzel Ward.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um funga.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: You got notable says Hu Funga.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's just on the Bronx.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Brandon Jones, if you want me to go throw another one out there.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um you got Devin Lloyd, Julian Love, Cam Hart.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, I I TJ Watt has one.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Then TJ Watt might be in the discussion because he's also got five and a half sacks.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's TJ Watt's very good.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think he is getting older.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think the favorites are Will Anderson, TJ Watt, um, Aiden Hutchinson.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that could be that every year for the rest of our lives.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: But um, all right, let's go to MVP talk.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_02: Do you you do you have an odds-on favorite?
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not really.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is open up for discussion.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, okay.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, honestly, after a lot of our talks, JSN.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I was gonna say he could like he could both, and then um another one that I just wanted to be kind of a homer of Bryce Young's having a really good year.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, there it is.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: He is having a really good year.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean he's averaging 285 yards a game, 12 touchdowns to four interceptions.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: His team's obviously three and three, so that I think the record automatically eliminates him.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: And while we're talking about this, the Green Bay Packers are beating them 20 to 10, and Bryce Young is 10 for 19, 66 yards and an interception.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_02: So not having a great day.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go uh while we're talking about this, I'm gonna check out Chuba Hubbard who's doing.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: He is in my starting lineup.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's at 17 points.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I would say, honestly, even though he's not in the top five for yards and stuff, dude, I just love Jared Goff.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love Jared Goffing out of his mind.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's he has 14 inner touchdowns to zero to zero interceptions on the year.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's averaging almost 300 yards a game.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: His average per pass is eight yards, and his completion percentage is almost a 70%.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: The only he is who else is above that?
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a couple players above him too, and I mean but I mean the guy is playing lights out.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, their defense sucks.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Their defense is horrible.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I mean, I could go out there and probably score a touchdown on him.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is it just another year where it's like give it to Josh Allen?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at I mean Josh right now.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I I hate I I think Josh Allen is a great quarterback.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's an amazing player.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: But do I think this season right now he's number one favorite?
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the guy is nine and four.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: That is crazy right now, even even though it's his body's at 1,500 yards.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: Which is like, yeah, cool.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, you guys, you got Matthew Stafford is in first place right now, basically 2,000.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: You got Jordan Love, Kirk Cousins, CJ Stroud, Dak, Jared Goff, Drake May, Brock Birdie.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, CJ, obviously we've already talked about it, killing it.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Jared Goff, killing it.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Stafford could be doing better.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's not doing horrible, but I mean, compared to what he did last year.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I don't know.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: I also really like Joe Burrow up there.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um not only am I just a fan of Joe Burrow, I just think he's just so good.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's just so good.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: He could be comeback player of the year.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't yeah, he could be.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I see Sean Walker.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean he's 15 and 3.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean the guy is just I mean, he's just so good.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he put he'll put a ball wherever he wants it to land.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um Okay.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think I have it narrowed down to two for me.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_02: Just doing a little.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, Joe Burrow's definitely in this conversation, though.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I got it down to three players right now.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, let me hear him.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: I got Brock Purdy.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, I mean he's they're six and one.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's a 69.2 completion percentage.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 1748 yards, 15 touchdowns to four interceptions.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he has a success rate of 56.4.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um his rating is a 110.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: His rating's a 110.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: He is just so good.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he he doesn't like stand out.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't look at Brock Purdy and you go, that is the best quarterback in the league.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_02: He's just so consistently good.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he had a QB rate of 100 last year, the year before that, 96, and then the year before that, he had 113, and then 107.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's just consistently really good.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: Could this be the year where they're like, this is his year?
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: He leads the league in QBR with a 79.6.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think he's gotta be one of them, especially because they're so good.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_02: If they're the number one seed to go in the playoffs, I think he might get it.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: My other one, it's kind of another homer pick.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's Jalen Hurts.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: Just kidding.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_02: Just kidding.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's what I was like.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_02: Trevor Lawrence is so good.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he only has 1,480 yards on this season.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_02: He has 14 touchdowns to four interceptions.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he's averaging 246 yards per game.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's just good.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: He only has 10 sacks on the year.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um what is his rushing numbers?
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure he's gotta have some rushing uh stats.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: He has 70 yards rushing, six first downs, uh his longest is 16 yards, no touchdowns.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um let's actually look at Brock Purdy for that.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think that would be an interesting comparison.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: Brock Purdy's kind of a fucking dog.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: Dog, dude.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: Holy crazy.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that guy went last in his draft.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: He has 161 rushing, one touchdown, and 18 first downs.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: So that kind of eliminated Trevor Lawrence for me.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_02: Brock Birdie is eliminated Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then I also had Joe Burrow.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Burrow, his completion percentage of leads the NFL is 71.7.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's crazy.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: He is uh 1,653 yards, 15 touchdowns, only three interceptions.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's nuts.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: Averaging 275 yards a game.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's so good.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like his his QBR is 77.2, and his QB rate is 110.4.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: So they're very comparable.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if we look at the rushing, he has only 60 yards, one touchdown.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I don't know.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is he's already 30.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean Wow.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's crazy.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Burrow's already 30.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we I think we definitely have a very similar list.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I know you said Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: I said Goff, but I mean the other two basically, I mean, are indeniable.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I hate looking like this list of players.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um But I I mean I think I think it could either be Brock Purdy, Jared Goff.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jared Goff is so good.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think I mean the guy has what does he have?
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: He has yeah, 14-0, only 12 sacks.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: He has a QBR of 63.4, but his rating is he is the highest rating in the league right now at 112.5.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, also obviously averaging 298 yards with zero interceptions on the season.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like six games in the season, you don't you haven't thrown a single interception?
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's pretty incredible.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he doesn't run the ball only 15 yards on the season, but he does have a touchdown.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that's pretty crazy.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: Good for the kid.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jared Duff is really good.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_02: My thing is if what if they don't make the playoffs?
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, does do they give it to him?
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I think if you know he keeps it up like this and he doesn't make the playoffs, I think that will probably just in everybody's eyes completely eliminate him.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um Joe Burrow, Brock Purdy, Matthew Stafford, or Josh Allen.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, once those guys get the the postseason, I mean they're pretty much just it's one gonna be one of those four.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: Unless, unless I mean the only other person we could really put in there is the receiver who's just dominating the league right now.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, they would have to get well, I think they would have to give the offensive to somebody else.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm looking at uh ESPN's odds on favorite to win each award.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh league MVP.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I'm gonna cover league MVP last.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go defensive player, defensive rookie of the year.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: They have David Bailey, Arvell Reese, Jacob Argreas.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: So we were good there.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Offensive rookie of the year, they have Carno Tate, so you nailed that.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_02: KC Concepcion, Love Casey, Jeremiah Love, and then they have Fernando Mendoza, then Denzel Boston, and then Omar Cooper Jr.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you to watch.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: I can't tell you.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Omar Cooper.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Defensive player of the year, Will Anderson Jr., TJ Watt, Dallas Turner, Fred Warner.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I mean we were pretty much on the money with the city.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then they also mention uh Aiden Hutchinson, Max Crosby, Nick Benito, and Jeffrey Simmons.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: So we covered a lot of those guys.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I feel pretty good about that.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Offensive player of the year.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is where it might shock you a little bit.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: They have Jameer Gibbs one.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: They have Kenneth Walker two.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Then they have JSN three.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's not real.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then they have B.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: John Puka, then Josh Allen, Jamar Chase, Christian McCaffrey, Malik Neighbors, Jonathan Taylor.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's a terrible list.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's a no I'm sorry, Puka Nakua, he's good.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Shouldn't it be in the discussion right now?
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Jamar Chase definitely shouldn't be in the discussion.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's not having a good year.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: 300 yards right now in this season.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Jonathan Taylor's about to get traded.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that's an interesting one.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then Coach of the Year, I actually have an opinion on this.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm interested to hear what you say.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they have John Harbaugh one, Todd Munkin, two, Kevin O'Connell, three, Ben Johnson, four, Kyle Shanahan, and five.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's your opinion on that?
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: John Harbaugh, where did he go?
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he's the Giants.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I thought so.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't think that's well, first place.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really ever pay attention to the case.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Neither do I.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: But but once I looked at the list, I was kind of like Todd Munken being two, and then also Kevin McConnell.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Kevin O'Connell.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, Kevin O'Connell's the only team that's undefeated.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Todd Munkins got the Browns five and two with Deshaun Watson at quarterback.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of an interesting.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then this is the most outrageous list for MVP I've ever seen.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go everybody that has favorites.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And number one is Josh Allen.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Number two is Brock Purdy.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_02: We we set him.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good one.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Number three is Joe Burrow.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: We also talked about him.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Then they have Drake May.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_02: He's had a good couple games.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Started off the season really bad.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Not sure if I could agree that he's this high.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Then it's Caleb Williams.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Caleb Williams is good.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Jordan Love.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Jordan Love's had a good year.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Jared Goff.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then they have Matthew Stafford.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think Matthew Stafford.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think Matthew Stafford should be here.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, I don't think Matthew Stafford's had a good year.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's I mean he hasn't had a horrible year, but I mean he ain't having the best.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I would probably say Kirk Cousins has been more valuable than him.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, uh yeah, I mean he's I mean Kirk Cousins is leading a bad team to the same record as the Rams.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's I mean let's see Kirk Cousins.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Kirk Cousins is unless I'm just actually leading in touchdowns.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yep.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: He has like 18 and 16 and 5.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Average is 270 basically, QBR of 57.2 and a rating of 94.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean the guy's the guy's putting up numbers.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy's scoring.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, he I mean he's good.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, almost 1900 yards in the season too.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like not a desirable position to be in.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's already got his replacement underneath him.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I mean he's also 38.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's not young.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's Aaron Rodgers doing?
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I don't know.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Look at that.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Aaron Rodgers, where is this guy even at?
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Rodgers is has 1700 yards, uh averages 6.5 yards a game is 243, um, 13 touchdowns, five interceptions, uh, rating of 49.8, and or a QBR of 49.8 and a rating of 88.9.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, honestly, not bad for a guy who's 43.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um he also doesn't run the ball.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I I agree.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think now that I look at it, Jared Goff maybe should be favorited to win.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I I don't know what it is.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't feel like the voters like Jared Goff.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think you could argue that he's kind of boring to some degree, but I think he is such a good quarterback.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think him and Brock Purdy are very comparable the way they play.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think I do too.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_02: I do too.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't understand what the difference is between Jared Goff and Brock Purdy.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like people love Brock Purdy and hate on Jared Goff a lot.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the fact that Jared Goff went first overall and this is his career, and Brock Purdy went last?
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like is that what we're comparing them on?
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't get it.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I honestly I I mean I do kind of agree to a degree to Jared Goff to Brock Purdy, but if we're comparing, I think I personally think maybe Jared Goff is a little bit more similar to Drake May.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're a little bit more comparable, but we're not talking about Drake May.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think Josh Allen being first.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense, but I mean I I obviously I personally think that's just favoritism at this point.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean Josh Allen's good, yeah, don't get me wrong, but I mean everybody likes Josh Allen.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I also just don't think Josh Allen is having that great of a year.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like just looking at his stats, I don't think he's killing it in anything that he should be the number one favorite to win it.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean nine and four.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you're nine to four with a rating of 102, and I mean 76% QBR is pretty good, actually.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he's having personally.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_02: The nine to four is what really gets me, though.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Is like we're talking about Jared Goff, who hasn't thrown a single interception and has more touchdowns and more yards.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um he obviously runs the ball.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_02: He has 240 yards rushing, eight touchdowns rushing.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe that's where they're getting is the rushing comparison.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot about that.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he has he's had 17 touchdowns in.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Nine throw.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he has 17.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I guess that kind of it's makes a little bit more sense, but still.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I don't know.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_02: I would still say I like Brock Purdy or Jared Goff to win.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think I would be happy with one of those two.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's just a fun story for either one of them to win.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like Jared Goff has kind of been overlooked his entire career, and then Brock Purdy obviously last pick to MVP.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, you and me have talked about this.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Brock Purdy in college.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Good nuts.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he saved so many records, and then you pick a guy last overall, bring him in, goes on an eight-game winning streak and brings you to what was it, the conference championship?
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, he's he's very good.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'd be interested to see if he wins at all this year.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, but I think we're at an hour and eighteen minutes.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think we can wrap up.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you have any closing remarks that you want to give?
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I got I got all of these written down.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I think we should um laminate them.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll put them in a poster or something.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think we should at the end of the regular season we should revisit this and see like how we did.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Cool, you know, and kind of yeah, you know, give our discussion points to there.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I think I think honestly, we're pretty much on the money.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, we still gotta have a season to play, but yeah.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks for joining us.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this has been Van Dan Talks.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I will.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to be a part of it?
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sure.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm already here.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um random verse.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, here we go.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is Psalms 138, verse 8.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_02: The Lord will vindicate me.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Your love, Lord, endures forever.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do not abandon the works of your hands.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, do you have any opinions on that?
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what it means?
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sounded poetic.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's very poetic.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's I'm just taking it as um the Lord, God's love will is never failing and always pursues you.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's almost a warning sign not to just dismiss the the love and the work of God um for god uh for human possessions or human human needs, you know.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think we've wrapped up a good episode.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this has been Fan Dan Talks with the notorious Hayden Kendall.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Again, you guys know him from all of his posts.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he is one of the biggest names in uh football right now.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate him coming out.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he might be back on another episode.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks everybody for watching.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: See you later.