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The Late Debate | 9 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: General, welcome to the late Babe.
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  Speaker 3: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Joe Hildebrand coming
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  Speaker 4: up tonight. Breakdancer Raygun claims legal ownership of the Kangaroo
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  Speaker 4: Hop to stop a musical lampooning her Olympic performance from
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  Speaker 4: going ahead.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that a little later.
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  Speaker 4: Plus, when we look at tomorrow's papers, Peter Dutton has
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  Speaker 4: decided how many flags he will stand in front of
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  Speaker 4: when giving press conferences.
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  Speaker 3: I think you'll be impressed.
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  Speaker 4: Plus The Australian's got a story tomorrow saying that one
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  Speaker 4: in three Australian jobs could be lost to a I
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  Speaker 4: in the next decade. So we'll unpack all of that
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  Speaker 4: when we look at tomorrow's papers. But first, obviously you
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  Speaker 4: know the national anthem. We are one and free, but
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  Speaker 4: increasingly we're divided and out of pocket. I suspect most
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  Speaker 4: Australians have never heard of an Indigenous Protection area. It's
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  Speaker 4: a piece of once public land that the government has
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  Speaker 4: given over to Indigenous people to manage. There are currently
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  Speaker 4: eighty seven Indigenous protected areas covering ninety million hectares of
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  Speaker 4: land across Australia. One of those Indigenous protected areas is
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  Speaker 4: the picturesque Middle Beach near Arnham Land in the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 4: Now it came to our notice when someone posted online
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  Speaker 4: a photograph of the sign that beach goers sea when
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  Speaker 4: they arrive for a bit of sun baking and a
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  Speaker 4: dip in the blue water.
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  Speaker 3: There have a look at this.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the sign that confronts OSSI's when they arrive at
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  Speaker 4: this beach. It says Indigenous Protected Area. You are entering
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  Speaker 4: a developmental recreational area on private lands. A dim RU
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  Speaker 4: visitor access permit.
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  Speaker 3: Is required to enter.
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  Speaker 4: Now to get a permit, you have to go to
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  Speaker 4: the local Aboriginal Corporation website where they offer their fellow
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  Speaker 4: Australians a permit to go to the beach, but for
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  Speaker 4: a price.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's going to cost.
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  Speaker 4: You to go to a once public beach in the
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  Speaker 4: Northern Territory. If you want to go as a family,
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  Speaker 4: it's two hundred and seven dollars for the year. As
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  Speaker 4: an individual one hundred and eight dollars for the year.
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  Speaker 4: The Aboriginal Corporation will charge you eighty nine bucks for
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  Speaker 4: a one month visitor pass, fifty seven dollars for two weeks,
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  Speaker 4: or thirty nine dollars if you just fancy three days
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  Speaker 4: on the beach.
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  Speaker 2: So here's how this works. This is once public land.
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  Speaker 4: It's given to an indigenous organization along with public money
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  Speaker 4: so they can turn it into a private piece of
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  Speaker 4: land that then they charge the public even more money
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  Speaker 4: to access a place that they used to access for free.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, make it make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not entirely sure what is going on here,
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  Speaker 1: but arnam Land has always been a restricted area. Arnham
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  Speaker 1: Land has always been a place where you couldn't go
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  Speaker 1: unless you've got prior approval from the traditional owners. And
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  Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in Kakadoo, which it
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  Speaker 1: is adjacent to. There is a very famous sort of
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  Speaker 1: bit of river that East Alligator River, and if you've
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  Speaker 1: got a permit, you drive back and forth over the
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  Speaker 1: causeway and if you don't, the CROs eat you. And
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  Speaker 1: so so I imagine it is just part of this.
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  Speaker 1: But I just have to read this part of what
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  Speaker 1: the woman said about her indignation about not being able.
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  Speaker 3: The woman who posted this is the woman.
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  Speaker 1: Who made the postal says, looks like a great place
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  Speaker 1: to swim, let's go. I wouldn't do that if I
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  Speaker 1: were you. This is crocodile infested water, including the seas,
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  Speaker 1: including the base. So there is absolutely no way that
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  Speaker 1: you should go swimming in any of these beaches ever,
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  Speaker 1: and not unless you throw a dog in there first,
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  Speaker 1: and that is also animal cruelty.
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  Speaker 3: But if that's the issue, she just.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't find saying crocodiles don't enter the water. But that's
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  Speaker 4: not really the point, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they tell you when you go and
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  Speaker 1: get your permits. So I don't know if this is
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  Speaker 1: somewhere where people recently have been able to go swimming
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  Speaker 1: before and then so suddenly they rock up and it's
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  Speaker 1: fenced off, but it's in If it's in Arnenland, I
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  Speaker 1: think that would always be the case. And anyone who
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  Speaker 1: is planning to swim in a beach on the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory has rocks in their head and clearly doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: anything about how the joint actually works or who actually
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  Speaker 1: is in charge. That's right. Maybe they say, look, here's
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  Speaker 1: except once they give you the receipt and take the
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  Speaker 1: two hundred bucks and by the way. You know you
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  Speaker 1: can't go swimming.
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  Speaker 5: Just take a few photos and leave, please.
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  Speaker 6: But this was quite an education for me, as I'm
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  Speaker 6: sure it will be for you.
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  Speaker 5: Because there's three different organizations that give out permits over
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  Speaker 5: various areas of the Northern Territory. So it's not these
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  Speaker 5: guys only who are making bank. There's also the Northern
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  Speaker 5: Land Council and the a Nindilia Wak Wide Land Council.
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  Speaker 5: So these are different kinds of permits for different kinds
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  Speaker 5: of places. Some of them pertain to the very roads
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  Speaker 5: you might need to travel on in order.
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  Speaker 6: To get where you're going.
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  Speaker 5: So it may be that if you're visiting the Northern
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  Speaker 5: Territory you may need one, two, or even three different
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  Speaker 5: kinds of permits.
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  Speaker 6: I did not know this.
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  Speaker 5: I knew that we had native land title for over
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  Speaker 5: forty percent of our land mass here in Australia.
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  Speaker 6: That's enough to blow your mind.
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  Speaker 5: But the fact that in the Northern Territory they have
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  Speaker 5: these exclusive areas where it's lived, they cannot enter unless
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  Speaker 5: you have these permits.
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  Speaker 6: And the fines are extortionate.
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  Speaker 5: There are over ten thousand dollars if in fact you
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  Speaker 5: are found to be on one of these plots without
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  Speaker 5: carrying a permit, which totally would have.
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  Speaker 1: Been plenty of places at Australia you're not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: enter without a permit or without paying some money. I
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  Speaker 1: mean Evie Cinema is one of them.
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  Speaker 3: With the point if the federal government is allocated is.
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  Speaker 2: Not a good ill?
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  Speaker 6: Not all, not all.
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  Speaker 1: Land is publicly accessible to everybody paying for us. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here you're paying for that accessing your base.
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  Speaker 4: This is public land that the public are now being
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  Speaker 4: charged to access because it's been given into the trust
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  Speaker 4: of indigenous groups. And it's not just in the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 4: it's right around the country. And the federal government has
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  Speaker 4: allocated a couple of one hundred million dollars again of
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  Speaker 4: public money to set up more of these indigenous protected areas.
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  Speaker 3: Is this a good thing or.
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  Speaker 4: Is this something that we're meant to be warmer to
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  Speaker 4: be able to access our beaches for free.
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  Speaker 5: And it was just last week we were talking about
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  Speaker 5: the relevant minister in Victoria doing a massive bat track
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  Speaker 5: really disponing those people who are in charge of the
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  Speaker 5: mountain climbing areas the Grampians and him saying, oh well
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  Speaker 5: this has gone so badly. I'm backing off from this
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  Speaker 5: all together. Had the government been in Chipe, this would
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  Speaker 5: never have happened. And we all know any minister in
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  Speaker 5: the Jacina Allen government would one hundred percent be behind
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  Speaker 5: such a move that was locking people out of these
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  Speaker 5: world renowned mountain climbing skates in Victoria. But it was
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  Speaker 5: going very badly, so the government wanted to disst themselves
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  Speaker 5: from it. We all know had it gone well, they
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  Speaker 5: would have been.
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  Speaker 6: The first to take credit.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out we had a road bureaucrat running wild
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  Speaker 1: without us noticing.
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  Speaker 5: That. I was making headlines for a long time. So
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  Speaker 5: we see this happening whereby as long as there's enough
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  Speaker 5: of an outcry, we see something being done about it.
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  Speaker 5: Now it's highly unlikely there's going to be a big
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  Speaker 5: enough outcry. We reguarding a beach in the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 5: which I dare say not many people are accessing, and
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  Speaker 5: indeed it does speak to the fact that maybe that's
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  Speaker 5: part of the point as well. They don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be interrupted. They don't want hundreds of tourists, thousands of
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  Speaker 5: tourists coming their way here in year route they went Astradian,
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to give it pristine etcetera and so on.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they would see, obviously, I.
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  Speaker 5: Would argue by their worldview, they would see Australians as tourists.
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  Speaker 6: This is private land.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that the point?
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  Speaker 3: As indigenous?
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  Speaker 4: As indigenous people, if you were born in this country,
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  Speaker 4: you're not indigenous to any other.
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  Speaker 5: Argument from me, but this is the narrative that government
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  Speaker 5: has backed, and not just that but given it policy.
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  Speaker 2: Starting to be a change legal.
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  Speaker 4: We saw in North Queensland in the Berdican where some
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  Speaker 4: indigenous elders, even when it comes to welcome to country,
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  Speaker 4: are saying, look, we are not going to persist with
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  Speaker 4: this because it's just become an embarrassment for everybody. His
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  Speaker 4: Indigenous elder from the Burdikan, Randall Ross.
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  Speaker 6: The elders said no, enough is enough.
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  Speaker 7: We have to stop, you know, because it is well
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  Speaker 7: and truly being abused.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where people do.
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  Speaker 4: Not understand that by mistreating and abusing culture, there's cultural
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  Speaker 4: ramifications itself. I've got to give credit to Randall Ross
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  Speaker 4: I reckon he's read the room after the referendum last
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  Speaker 4: year and he knows which way the wind is blowing,
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  Speaker 4: as does Peter Dutton and will get to it in
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  Speaker 4: the papers a little later. He's made a decision about
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  Speaker 4: the indigenous flag and how he will regard that, and
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  Speaker 4: so there's a definite shift come in the culture, and
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  Speaker 4: so it's interesting to see the change.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is what he's talking about there is I
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  Speaker 1: guess these kind of you know, woke corporates or people
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  Speaker 1: who are trying to be so right on, who are
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  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly as white as the driven snow, and they're basically
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  Speaker 1: so obsessed with the tokenism of having a welcome to
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  Speaker 1: country that they're basically doing it wrong. So what he's
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  Speaker 1: talking about is saying that you've got so many people
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  Speaker 1: who are having so many welcomes to country at so
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  Speaker 1: many different events and getting often the wrong people to
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  Speaker 1: do it, people who aren't actually traditional owners, aren't the
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  Speaker 1: acknowledged elders of the area, that they're just completely trashing it.
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  Speaker 1: And so again you get to this thing where if
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  Speaker 1: you have this endless kind of tsunami of virtue signaling,
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  Speaker 1: which is what we saw and sadly part of what
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  Speaker 1: sunk the voice, you actually devalue the importance of it
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  Speaker 1: so you can have, for example, you know, like in
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  Speaker 1: anamine is incredibly important, sight, incredibly important Aboriginal community. But
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  Speaker 1: you get but you have these sort of ridiculous people
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  Speaker 1: wanting to sort of cue up to show how right
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  Speaker 1: or they are and how much they care about Aboriginal culture,
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  Speaker 1: and they're actually killing and devaluing Aboriginal culture so much
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  Speaker 1: and clearly don't understand it because they're getting the wrong
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  Speaker 1: people to do it. That this guy who's the right
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  Speaker 1: person says, well, we're just not going to have it
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  Speaker 1: anymore because you've just it's like sort of indigenous which
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  Speaker 1: one's hat restaurant and respect.
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  Speaker 4: For Indigenous people will not be diminished one jot by
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  Speaker 4: not having No.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's right. I mean again I keep to the point,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, I remember and again Big w is
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite shops. I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 1: the toy sale. They got some amazing bargains and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to hit that like it' h that like a
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  Speaker 1: buffet for your plug. But but you know, I would
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  Speaker 1: go there sort of hanging out for the show or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and you'd hear on repeat a recorded message saying we
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  Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge Indigenous and having in the country.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I'm in Macquarie Park shopping center right and
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  Speaker 1: listening to a recording saying how much they care? Like
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  Speaker 1: that is the most ridiculous, Like it'd be like saying
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  Speaker 1: if someone's relative died and you just sent them an
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  Speaker 1: automated message, I am so sorry to hear of the
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  Speaker 1: loss of your insert name here. I mean, it just
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  Speaker 1: blew my mind. And this was happening throughout the Voice campaign,
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  Speaker 1: and this was when I planes doing it, when they
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  Speaker 1: would land, and you just you could just see the
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  Speaker 1: look on people and everyone's just like, no one's saying anything,
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  Speaker 1: and you can actually see their thoughts. They're just going,
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  Speaker 1: I am so sick of this year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's obviously a change coming, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 4: International news yesterday of course focused on the Middle East
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  Speaker 4: again with the fall of the dictator of Syria Assad.
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  Speaker 4: People celebrating in Sydney and Canterbury, Bankstown and in Rouse
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  Speaker 4: Hill people went out onto the streets waving flags, chanting
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  Speaker 4: and caught on video is numbers of people chanting? Will
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  Speaker 4: show you the footage? Why don't we show you the footage?
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  Speaker 4: Definitely explain what they're chanting. Here's what they were doing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, bear in mind.
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  Speaker 4: This comes just hours really after the synagogue in Melbourne
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  Speaker 4: was fire bombed in an anti Semitic attack, and we're
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  Speaker 4: all like, g anti Semitism has to be dealt with.
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  Speaker 3: And now immediately in the.
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  Speaker 4: Wake of that, we've got lots of people out on
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  Speaker 4: the street in Sydney chanting that Muhammad is going to
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  Speaker 4: come after the Jews. This refers to a battle that
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  Speaker 4: Muhammad waged against the Jews in about I think it
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  Speaker 4: was the seventh century and they slaughtered a whole bunch
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  Speaker 4: of Jews. And now, in response to the Syrian dictator
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  Speaker 4: being overthrown, they're chanting in the streets of Sydney that
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  Speaker 4: Muhammad's going to come after the Jews. Jewish people are
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  Speaker 4: rightly incredibly upset about this. The slogan that they're chanting
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  Speaker 4: was first popularized in the nineteen eighties by Ahmed Yasan,
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  Speaker 4: the founder of Hamas. It's been invoked in numerous terror attacks.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, you remember am Rosi, who was one of
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  Speaker 4: the Balley bombers when he was sentenced to death and
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  Speaker 4: if he was responsible for the death of eighty eight Australians,
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  Speaker 4: he chanted that exact Slowgan during his sentencing the founder
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  Speaker 4: of al Qaeda, wrote a book in two thousand and
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  Speaker 4: nine with that slogan as the title. In Europe, you
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  Speaker 4: can face jail for chanting that slogan. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 4: someone in Belgium was charged with incitement because of that slogan,
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  Speaker 4: and in twenty twenty one a couple of guys in London.
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  Speaker 4: So the police in New South Wales, if they're serious
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  Speaker 4: about doing anything about anti Semitism, should be straight onto
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  Speaker 4: this now. Karen Webb, the police commissioner said, said, wow,
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  Speaker 4: we've got to get the translation and we've got to
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  Speaker 4: make sure its incitement before we take action. Well, I
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  Speaker 4: hope they'll do something immediately tomorrow because I saw this
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  Speaker 4: video this afternoon. Now I can't translate it, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what it is. So I walked across to my
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  Speaker 4: local barber where they're all Iraqis and there are about
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  Speaker 4: four of them in there. They're all nice guys. I said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: can I play you something and can you tell me
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  Speaker 4: if you understand this? And they immediately said it's a
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  Speaker 4: chant calling for violence against Jews. Whoever's doing that, they're terrorists.
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  Speaker 4: They should be arrested. That was before they knew any context.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't see the video. I just played them the audio.
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  Speaker 4: They immediately knew. If the police is serious about clamping
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  Speaker 4: down on anti Semitism, if they're going to stop the
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  Speaker 4: talk and actually do things, they have to do something
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  Speaker 4: about this immediately.
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  Speaker 5: And we are told that this is under investigation, as
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  Speaker 5: it should be, although how are you going to track
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  Speaker 5: down that many people? It's much like what we saw
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  Speaker 5: the scenes on the steps.
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  Speaker 4: We've got photographs of that, they've got video evidence, indeed, but.
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  Speaker 5: They had video evidence of that, and yet we still
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  Speaker 5: don't know that any single person on the steps of
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  Speaker 5: the opera house got a knock on the door from
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  Speaker 5: the police either so so far or we've seen is words,
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  Speaker 5: which is very much in line with what we seem
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  Speaker 5: to see under the men's government with regards to these
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  Speaker 5: kinds of outbursts by big crowds in New South Wales
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to these acts of anti Semitism. But
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  Speaker 5: don't you love the cultural enrichment. Don't you love the
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  Speaker 5: cultural enrichment, the cultural diversity. We're told diversity is our
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  Speaker 5: strength your government, and ladies and gentlemen have absolutely no
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  Speaker 5: problem importing hundreds of thousands of people who do not
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  Speaker 5: love the West and by extension hate israelis as well
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  Speaker 5: as of course the Jewish people, not just over in Israel,
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  Speaker 5: but here in Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Every time hundreds of thousands, Yes it is this over billion,
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  Speaker 8: all of those, but I come hundreds of thousands.
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  Speaker 1: So how many we know exactly.
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  Speaker 6: What these cultures stand for? Okay?
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  Speaker 5: And we're now seeing time and time again large crowds
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  Speaker 5: displaying this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: That was not thousands of people. And again if it was,
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  Speaker 1: if it was really hundreds of thousands, there would be
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  Speaker 1: many more incidents in this and much bigger.
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  Speaker 5: Let's be more specifically, test there's at least ten more
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  Speaker 5: things crowds ideas.
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  Speaker 4: Don't we just call it for what it is, because
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  Speaker 4: I think you've got it slightly back to front. It's
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  Speaker 4: not they hate the West and by extension Israel. Islam
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  Speaker 4: is antagonistic, aggressive towards Jews and by extension the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the West.
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  Speaker 2: That is the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly, that is not a bug in Islam.
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  Speaker 3: It's a feature.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly, there proves that, certainly.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty clear.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about certainly among among its extremists and fundamentalists.
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  Speaker 1: That is absolutely true. But among the vast majority of
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  Speaker 1: Muslims that is not true.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, and there is no difference if you.
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  Speaker 1: Read them, if you read the Kara, there's no where,
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  Speaker 1: no word, there's no way to tell the difference between
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  Speaker 1: a homicidal maniac Christian and a non homicidal maniac Christian.
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  Speaker 1: If you take the literal words of the Kuran, obviously
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  Speaker 1: they're pretty disturbing. There are some disturbing words in the
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  Speaker 1: Bible as well, particularly in the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 4: Very different, very The Bible is telling historical stories of
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  Speaker 4: things that happened. The Koran is not telling historical stories.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: It's just giving this is the word of God. It's
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: very different. The context is very different.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Job Jesus said.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: His was a war lord.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: They're totally different.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, now do the talmud, Now do the talent
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: and just serving passages in the talmot. Why why are
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: you just singling out the Christian Let's comes the same
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: as the Jewish text.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That's the let's come back to the main point.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: The boss, Mike Burgess, the boss of ASO, Mike Burgess
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: today he said that when talking about the fire bombing
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: in Victoria, he said, we need to watch our words
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: very carefully, and he was talking about people just being
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: measured in the way they talk about what's happened in Victoria. Well,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: if it's true that we have to watch our words
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: carefully because they inflame tensions and could lead to violence,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that's what Mike Burgess said. Well, then the words chance
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: on the streets in Sydney yesterday about Jewish people need
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to be investigated thoroughly and action needs to be taken
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: if they're serious. And if they do nothing about this,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: then it's just more waffle. Why would you ever believe
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: their assurances that they're taking.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: It's only going to get worse as the war in
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: the Middle East, it continues to become a larger.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Reachon get by tackling the extremists, arresting the extremists, charging
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the extremists, not a whole culture people.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: I never said that, Joe.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: People here, yes, because they come from those cultures. And
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: like I explained, I've been very clear, you're being disingenuous.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: There is no way to tell the difference on an
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: application form. Okay, So the problem is we are just.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: We just have a ban on a morning the Jews
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: about on.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: About the impot people who share our values period.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you would think in a terrorist attack,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: and this has been designated a terrorist attack, that the
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Would be there immediately.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a terrorist attack, and it was declared
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: a terrorist attack officially today. But Chris Min's, the new
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: South Wales Premier, said I think on Friday that this
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: was a terror attack. So did many others. Anthony ALBANIZI.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Of course he was in Perth and well a terror
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: attack had taken place Friday morning. He had a game
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: of tennis to play on Saturday afternoon. He had drinks
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: with labor donors on Friday night, and he's planning on
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: visiting the synagogue on Tuesday. Never mind, pretty much everybody
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: else has been there the PM.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: He'll turn up when he's good and ready.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: He was asked why it took him so long to
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: make a decision to visit the site of the terror attack.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: He explained that he was pretty busy tennis included.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't playing tennis on the Saturday morning. Yeah, that
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: is wrong.
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: I had I had six appointments on Saturday after they
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: had concluded.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: In the afternoon, I did some exercise.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I just got to point out when the journalist said,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: is it true you were playing tennis on Saturday? And
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: notice the Prime Minister's response, He said, I was not
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: playing tennis on Saturday morning. Was the phrase, No, he
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: played at about two o'clock in the afternoon. That's how
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: sneaky Anthony Elbanezi is being with this, I'd say, match
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: point Peter Dutton.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's not a good look. I mean, I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: think yet again Albo's got himself in trouble, not by
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: sort of breaking the letter of the law, if you like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but the spirit of law. So it's not that he's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: actually done anything wrong, but it is just not a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: good look to have a picture of a sort of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you know, a day of mourning and a day of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: reflection at the synagogue that Peter Dutton's there and meanwhile
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he's in his tennis whites. I would say that, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we do want our polities to be fair. And I know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like I run no, but it's true, like tennis is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: his big thing. So tennis, tennis is his like absolute sport.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It is what he does. It is the thing that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: keeps him saying and.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: More than anything apparently No, But I mean I.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Know people who I mean, I'm one of them. Like
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I if I you know, if I want to work hard,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: if I've got a big dayhead, I make sure I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: go for a run and it actually resets the Brian you're.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Not the prime minister in your nation, hasn't just experienced it?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. Again, it's a bad look. But again I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: think anything, you know, anything in that scenario, I'm given
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the way that he's handled you know what you might
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: call the sort of anti semitism with question. Anything he
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: does that isn't completely and utterly devoted to that and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and devoted to the seriousness of that, that is not
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: going to it's going to be a bad look.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: So so why did he do it?
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Why did he do it? It's not every day we
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: have because again.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: He would be thinking, you know, I've worked you know, Saturday,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I've already worked eight hours.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: You know, you don't get this isn't a nine to Prie.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: You are the pride.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: For a week.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Agogue has just been incinerated. And by the way, it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: now Monday night.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Has he been yet? Has he been or did he.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Have another six appointments today and the next day as well. Sorry,
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I just can't fit it in and are you kidding
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: you read.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: With Jewish community as soon as it happened to visited
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a Jewish community in WL.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: The scene of the crime.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: If not before then certainly after you've had the commission
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: to come out and say yes, this is a terrorist attack.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: We are treating it like a terrorist the notice it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: a terrorist attack on Australian soil, and our PM can't
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: be asked to visit the site.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Oh look, you know, if I was talking about I'd
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: probably say you get on the plane, get to Melbourne.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And again it is not a good look, but it is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: You know, let's let's have a listen to the Police
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Commissioner speaking today talking about the fact they have designated
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: this say terror attack.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: At that time the decision was it did not at
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: that stage reach the threshold to be declared such an incident.
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: I am very confident that we now have had an attack,
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: a terrorist attack.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: The big issue for Anthony Elbanezi, well not.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: The big issue is that as a human being, let
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: alone as the Prime Minister, you don't play tennis when
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the people you're responsible for are not only grieving but
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: in fear. And it's not just one incident there's been
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: more than twelve months of incidents, this one obviously the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: most serious just as a human being, let alone the
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: promise you get there. But if you want to look
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: at the politics of it, news Paul showed forty four
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: percent of people I don't know how it's forty four
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: percent regard Albanezi as decisive and strong. But Peter Dutton
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: is regarded as decisive and strong by sixty percent of people.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And that pol taken.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Before all of this news about Albanezi delaying his response
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: to play tennis. It's not going to help him as
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: a prime minister that someone believe, in his words, has
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: got your back. That's his slogan for the upcoming election.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I've got your back?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Jewish people in Melbourne think that Anthony Albanze has got
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: their back.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Honestly, terrible optics but very fitting for alban EZI, who
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I think will go down in history as the weakest
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: prime minister we've ever had, and when you consider some
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: of the prime ministers that we have had, that is
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: saying something. But now to the future of media potentially,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: is this what it's going to look like?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The man looking after.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: The La Times has said that he's going to introduce
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: AI powered bias meter on news stories. This has sparked
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: a backlash in his newsroom because obviously they're a bit offended.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: What are you saying we're biased?
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what's crazier that you're admitting
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: you're biased by introducing the idea of a bias meter,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: or you're getting AI, who is programmed by also undoubtedly
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: somebody else who's biased, to then be the arbiter of
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: bias in your content.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is just madness.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: But here he is Los Angeles Times owner Patrick Soon,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: who blocks the newspaper's endorsement of Kamala Harris and plans
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: to overhaul its editorial board, says he will implement an
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: artificial intelligence powered bias meter on the papers news articles
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: to provide readers with quote both sides end quote of
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a story.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: It makes you wonder, since.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: This guy did block the paper's endorsement of Kamala Harris,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: is he just reading the tea leaves?
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: We know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: MSNBC's ratings have gone through the floor, so as CNN's
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: mainstream media regime, media is very much on the nose
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: right now in America. Americans feel lied to because you
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: were shit it tuned in it sky on youth. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: so he's simply trying to, i think, disuage people from
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: treating his publication in a similar way, saying, well, firstly,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: we didn't side.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: With the Dems.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: We knew that that would have been backing a losing horse,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: so didn't do that intentionally. Secondly, since people accuse us
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: of being biased, I'm going to put in this meter
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: which will give you both sides of every story from
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: now on. I mean, it's on the one hand, it
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: sounds like a good idea, but on the other you're
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: just like, mate, that's going to be even worse because
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: then you've got the bias in the article, and then
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: the bias of AI layered on top everyone to get.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Journalists are meant to be in touch with their audiences
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and in touch with their communities, and in touch with
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: what's really happening. You know, they're meant to have their
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: finger on the pulse, right, and the reason why so
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: many journalists in the US completely failed to even see
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the possibility that Donald Trump was going to win, let
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: alone absolutely romp it in is because they are living
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in such tiny bubbles that they living in ivory towers.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: They are horrendous cultural snobs and elites, and they simply
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: do not know, do not mix with the sort of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: people who'd had it up to the back teeth with
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: how things were going, and we're going to vote for
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in droves. And so you've got a newspaper
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that is staffed by people who are incredibly elitist and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: out of touch. And the solution they come up with
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to solve this problem is the most elitist and out
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of touch solution you could possibly out to divide it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: because instead of saying to the news all right, guys,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: how did we get this wrong? Why did no one
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: pick this up? I want you to get out there
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: into the communities that vote for don Trump, find out why,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: find out what is happening in America that we missed.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Why is Middle America at odds with California get higher?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: People who come from different backgrounds to work in the newsroom.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Hire people maybe not from the conventional JA schools that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: teach people how to be postmodern Marxist deconstructors of media
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: narratives and actually know how to get in the community
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and write stories about the issues that people care about.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That is the way you fix that problem. But the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: problem is that obviously he and the people around him
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so hopelessly out of touch with what is actually going on.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And again, you didn't, my mate timmy g picked a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Trump women, you don't need AI. But they've said, oh
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: my god, we don't know what's happening. No one we know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Oh wekat AI to fix our bias problem. Like that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is just so moronic. That is just it's like it's
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like saying I haven't paid my taxes. I'll get the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: terminator to blow up the ATO. Like it is just
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: so so dumb and so so dangerous because of course,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: what does then happen if someone gets hold of the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: AI algorithm makes that bias too or against.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Well, we already know how biased the AI algorithm is.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: We did plenty of stories on Earth. Say something good
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: about Biden, and it would wax lyrical, say something good
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: about Trump, Sorry, you can't do that. Nothing good to
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: say about that guy, and so on and so forth.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: So we already know that this is more.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: This is a problem that is very very obvious and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: very very easy for human beings to solve. Throwing their
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: hands in the hand, said there's nothing we can possibly do.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: We better hire a robot to be that. The bias
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: ometter is just the most knuckle draggingly stupid, prehistoric Neuanderthal response,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And that's insulting to the Anthals because are actually a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: lot more advanced people think and into bread. Homo sapien.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: The easiest way for him to solve this would simply
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: be to sack almost all of his stuff.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Some actual journalists.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Along with the Democrats, other than people who are.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Trying to turn the La Times into a lefty blog.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: If you want to know just how biased the staff
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: on the paper were. When the owner announced they would
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: have a bias meter to ensure balance, a whole lot
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: of them resigned live.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Crying room.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: We have the majority. They can't all leave anyway. It's
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: a bit like our ABC. You know, Jim Williams takes
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: the post and we're not going to be biased anymore.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: There will be no bias in my ABC. Of course,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: absolutely nothing's changed. But yeah, I mean, these things don't
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: work from the top down. You've got to gut the
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: place otherwise it's going to stay the same. Saying in
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the US now forever, chemicals know how much I love
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: to bash on about pfast called forever chemicals, because they
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: don't break down in the environment and they don't break
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: down in your body. There's a good reason why America
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: estimates it spends two hundred and fifty billion dollars a
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: year on the health side effects of people consuming p
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: fast day in, day out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: They're in your franken food.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: They're in your tooth floss, They're in your feminine hygiene products, ladies.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: They are in your band aids, ladies, and gentlemen, they
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: are in your cooking epilimbat So, even if you're doing
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: your best to steer clear of p fast, if you're
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: cooking a nutritional meal in.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: That beautiful teflon coated.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Pen, guess what pea fast anyway, America is getting ahead
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: of the game now. The EPA has changed a very
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: important rule earlier this month, and under the updated rule,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: manufacturers must provide detailed info regarding a chemicals uses, exposure potential,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and health side effects before approval, which begs the question,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: how was this not a thing already we read?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Today?
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: The Environmental Protection Agency updated regulations on December third that
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: will prevent p fas, often referred to as forever chemicals
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: from being fast tracked for approval through an exemption process
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: pfas a family of forever chemicals. There's actually fourteen thousand
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: chemicals in said family, used in a variety of products,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: are known to resist breaking down and therefore persist in
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: the environment.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: They have also been.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Linked to serious health problems, which is in reference to
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: some cancers, kidney issues, fertility issues, and the list wears long.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: So it's great to see the EPA doing this.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: I have a theory that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: The reason why they're acting on this now is because
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: they know RFK Junior has just been made head of
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the Federal Health Agency and this is the kind of
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: thing that he has knives out for. So they're like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: before the Trump administration gets in and puts their boot
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: on our face, we're going to be seen to do
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: something about this. But I just few things make me
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: as furious as something like this, Because you have known
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: about it for decades, you know it's making people sick.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: You're doing absolutely nothing about it because it would mean
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: pulling rank on the corporates, pushing out products that are
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: using these chemicals they could use something else. This is
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: the twenty first century, As this article says, the EPA says, oh,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: this will force manufacturers to be innovative. Yeah, you could
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: have done that sooner, but you don't give a rip
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: about people's everyday health, do you. So Thankfully the EPA
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: is finally doing something about it, and here's hoping Australia
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: won't be too far behind. I'm literally running out of breath,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: feel the passion.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: If you're right that the EPA are doing this in
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: response to JFKR JFK.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: That'd be amazing.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Experim taking all of these issues. Then it would be
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: another example of how the Trump presidency is not just
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: going to be good for America, but maybe even for
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the rest.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Of It's Madden and diplomacy. It's like, these guys are
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: so crazy, we better all just behave ourselves and do
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: what they say.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, crazy, trying to get on with that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But this is why has released HESBLA, has reached a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: sixty day cease fire with Israel. Hamas has been rebelized.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Iran is now thinking, oh, maybe we to just back
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: off a bit. Peuton and Zelensky look like they might
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: actually crack a deal because you know, they know that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you knowing.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: The other the other area too that hopefully Trump will
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: influence and that's energy policy. God knows, we need to
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: get some common sense.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe the APA can crack down on those fossil fuel
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: companies that are Peter Dutton is.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: To announce his nuclear policy later this week, but the CSIRO,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: oh well they've gone early. Dutton hasn't yet released the policy,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: but the CSIRO have decided no, it'll be too expensive
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: and too slow. Peter Dutton is confounded how they could
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: know this when, as I said, he's not yet released
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: his policy.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: The assumptions and the methodology have been disputed before, disputed before,
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: and do you know what, they haven't even seen our
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: plan yet and yet they're out bagging it. It just
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: looks to me like there's a heavy hand of Chris
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: Bowen and all of this.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I like the way Peter Dutton got stuck into the
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: CSIRO and Chris Bowen all in.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: This one head. Chris Muller, Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Right, It's amazing what strong leadership can do. He's not
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: mincing his words here. He's been accused of being Trump esque.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: This is supposed to be a sledge by the mainstream media,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: and I keep going, oh mate, you've already sold me
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I'm already.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Voting for him. It's fine.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: But the more we see of this kind of strong
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: leadership where they're not mincing their words, they're just saying
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: it as it is, people gravitate toward that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Even if they don't like the.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Person, they respect the leadership, and that is not I've
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: not seen Alban easy speak that definitively to anything in
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: his entire term, except for maybe trying to berate everyone
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: into voting yes for his hobby horse, the Voice.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: The other irony here is Frontier Economics, who costed the
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: government's current energy plan and said it's going to be
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: five times more expensive than what the government have claimed.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: And then Chris Bowen is like, ah, Frontier Economics, they're
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: just you know, working on behalf of the Liberals. Then
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: it turns out that the government themselves, in fact, Chris
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Bowen's own department has used Frontier Economics on two occasions
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: and paid them will over a million dollars report.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows the economic model, and you can basically just
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: ask the model what you or tell the bottle of
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: what you want to get, and that will achieve it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: And that's how they get business. And you know it
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: all depends on your input. So you know what you
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can put in, and you can sort of, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: estimate things at the higher end here if you want
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: them to be too expensive. With the lower end here
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you want it to be more cost effective. So that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: happens all the time. But I do just I just
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: love the fact I reckon they've done a massive favor
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to the government by saying it's going to be five
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: times more expensive, because eventually the cost will blow outs.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: See it's only twice as expensive. Good point.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: including warnings that AI risks one in three Australians losing
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: their jobs in the next decade.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: That's coming up in just a moment.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: We'll start with the front page of tomorrow's Herald's Son.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: It's a pretty good front page tomorrow. There's a few
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: good stories there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Now because the Daily Telegraph, we'll get to your paper
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: for the second Joe.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: But on the Herald's Sudden the main headline says evil
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: has nowhere to hide. Counter terrorism detectives are hunting three
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: sus all considered flight risks over Friday's arson attack on
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: the Addas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne's Inner Southeast. Now, police
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: aren't giving too much away, other than to say that
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: they are aware of three people. They're not saying whether
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: or not they know who these people are, though they're saying,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: as I read, there are flight risks. They're not ruling
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: out foreign interference in that attack, nor are they ruling
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: out that the arsonists may have had guns. Although the
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: bullet that was found at the scene is not believed
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: to have been connected with the arson.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: We've talked about already.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Bullet casing was rusty, which is an indication that perhaps
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a particularly recent piece of correctistics evidence.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where that investigation has headed. Listen, do
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: you want to comment or shall we move on?
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: Let's move on. We've got lots of stories, all right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Dutton Unified on Flag is the other headline on the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Herald's sun front page. Peter Dutton says flying the Abriiginal
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: flag and torres straight on under flags alongside the Aussie
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: flag is quote dividing our country unnecessarily and the opposition
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: leader has said he will only stand in front of
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: the Australian national flag when giving press conferences social functions
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: if he is elected Prime minister. Now I've got to
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: give credit to our Sky News colleague Peter Credlin because
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Dutton made these comments on sky News this evening. It's
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: making front page tomorrow. So as always if you want
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to know tomorrow's news, what Sky News today.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Good move by Peter Dutton.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I love this.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: The amount of times I see those three jolly flags.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: It chafes my soul. We are one nation.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: This is a government who didn't they start this is
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: the whole three flags thing. This was not a Morrison
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: government thing. They're the ones who has gone from two
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: to three. This has got to stop. And I love that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: This is a guy running for the highest office in
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the land and he's saying it will end with me.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Know he's not going to stand in front of them.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: He's not going to I don't think he's going to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: change it anywhere. Know that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: You don't know that if he's just open.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: The door for the chaser or whoever does this is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: nowadays that would just be following him from press conference
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to press conference, holding other flags and try to.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Create people care about the chaser. We'll find it hilarious.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: The third great story on the front page of tomorrow's
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Herald's son fifty nine VCE exams leaked.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Two weeks ago it was reported that there were fifty
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: six Victorian Year twelve exams that have been leaked. Now
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: that number is up to fifty nine. I should point
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: out that's fifty nine out of one hundred and sixty.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Exams that as compromised.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: How does the Education minister in Victoria still have a
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: job after a debarker.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Like that, Well, I believe the minister is feeling very testy, very.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Good, hilarious. That is a file start to the front
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: page of the Odds.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Now one in three jobs at serious risk in a
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: revolution tell us something.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: We don't already know.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: More than thirty percent of the workforce could be disrupted
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: by the rapid uptake of artificial intelligence over the next
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: five years without policy intervention, says a new report that
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: warms that warns rather that the Australian economy was poorly
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: equipped to deal with the next industrial shock.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, the fact checker at the La Times
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: must be pretty nervous. Sorry, the fact checker at the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: La Times. Let's be pretty.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: If you weren't here earlier.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: We were talking about the fact that the fact checker
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: at the La Times is going to be AI. But
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: certainly there's any number of jobs that even now can
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: be replaced very easily by AI. I noticed Elon Musk
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: was trophing his driverless car today and talking about how
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: this is this is just going to be common. There's
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: going to be millions of these buzzing around twenty four
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: to seven. You need a lyft, you need a ride,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: you need an uber or taxi, et cetera, and so on,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: or you just want to own one yourself, jump in
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: your car and spend the time reading instead of driving.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: And my immediate thought was these would put millions of
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: people out of work just like that. And it's like
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: no thought is going into that whatsoever.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: And that's just one industry.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: That's to say nothing of the comms jobs that the
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: list wears.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Long and the already for trains in Sydney. Yeah, the METROC.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: The article goes on to say Australia in particular is
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: ill suited to the AI revolution because so many of
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: our jobs are in the service industry, which can be
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: done by AI, or in the knowledge industry, which can
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: also be done much quicker by computing very than by
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: human mind, journalism, jogulate and interventions.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Thank god, No, I will never replace jirals.
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: Let's go already have jo already has telegraph, telegraph anything
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: to just you know, brush aside the greatest newspaper on earth, honestly,
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: and this is an amazing day and you would have
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: heard about it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But Dawn Fraser has had a nasty four and she's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: in hospital with some serious injuries, including a broken rib
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and four ribs. And Dawn, obviously there's an absolute hero
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and icon for many Australians and everyone's thoughts with her.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I think this has taken a lot of people by surprise,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: even though she was well into her eighties eighty seven,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the you go. She's so sort of tough, still very outspoken.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: She calls a spade a spade, and the idea that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: she's human and mortal just like the rest of us.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Where does the.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: Media get off though?
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Give an elderly woman some jolly privacy, I don't very much.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: She likes the fact that she's on the.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Front of how many papers tomorrow she might it's a
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: nice photo.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Waited until she was out of intensive care.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So she's on the MIT. It's going to be all right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: So we have thoughts and prayers with her.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: What's wrong?
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: From the basic decency, I don't know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: People care about what happens. That's what happens when you're
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: a public figure. People care.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: We just defending your paper.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Depending every paper in the country that's going to run
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the story, well.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: There's too many of them in my opinion, give us
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: some privacy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: All right, Let's go to the front page of the
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Canberra Times. An extraordinary story there. Extremely disturbing reads the headline,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: and it is the Territory Government is looking into concerning
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: reports that would be an understatement that Legal Aid Act
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: employed a convicted child sex offender despite requirements for a
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: police check. Now this story was uncovered by the Canberra Times.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: They revealed that the government funded legal service had employed
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: a criminal practice paralegal three years after he was sentenced
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: for child abuse material related crimes. Could you imagine if
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: you had gone to the officials with allegations of sexual
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: abuse and found out that one of the people responsible
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: for helping with your case as a convicted sex offender
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: who then has access to personal and sensitive material. It's
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: astonishing even true that this was allowed to happen.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Although this was just legal aid. I mean, how are
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: they supposed to know the legal history of.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Must have been incredibly child check defender.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: It's not like you know either a bunch of lawyers
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: or any thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: There you go, all right, Joe Wright.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Story on Earth and again, these these are the times
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: when you will you will ask yourself in the future.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Why wasn't I told. I'll tell you because you did
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: not listen. You were not watching the late debate on
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Sky News, and you did not realize that the ground
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: is literally disappearing between our feet. Wake up, sheeple, sinking feeling,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: reads the headline of the Gala Coase Building Union urges
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: maintenance boost or worn surfers. Footpath explosion injuring woman will reoccur.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: A footpath explosion. Those two words are not supposed to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: go together. An underground explosion on a busy stretch of
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast footpath swallowing and injuring a woman in surfer's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: paradise above. She wasn't above at the time of the incident.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. We'll reoccur, potentially kill our
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Southeast a Queensland's electricity network. If a union climbs, well,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: obviously ourions are going to Climbion's going to climb. But
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: how on the footpath swallowed her up? Exploder swallower up?
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: The last time I saw that was Superman three? Or
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a sinkhole or a sinkholes? This is the thing. How
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: long have sinkhole's been going on and the government's just
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: been keeping them quiet? Look into that with your pfast inquiries.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Not going to help tourism on the gold goes.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: That's for sure.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Breakdancer Reagun has claimed legal ownership.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Of the Kangaroo Hop that's coming up in a month.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Well, all of Australia will remember Rachel Gunn, the Macquarie
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: University lecturer turned Paris Olympian, for her astonishing breakdancing performance
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: earlier in the year. Of course, she was widely ridiculed
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: for the performance because it was so hilarious. In fact,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: it was so hilarious that Australian comedian Steph Broadbridge thought,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: you know what, it could make a good musical and
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: so on Saturday Gone there was meant to be in
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Sydney the premiere of Raygun the Musical, but literally hours
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: before it was to be performed, Stephanie Broadbridge, the comedian,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: got contacted by Raygun's lawyers saying if the musical went ahead,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: they would be sued because apparently Raygun owns the Kangaroo Hop.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: That's right, the kangaroo dance moves belong to Rachel Gunn.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Here's the performer explaining how her musical was not allowed
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: to go ahead.
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: They also said, I wasn't allowed to do the dance
• 46:44
  Speaker 11: because she owns the kangaroo dance. That one did puzzle me.
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: I mean that's an Olympic level dance. How would I
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: possibly be able to do that without any formal breakdown training.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: So you can't own the Kangaroo Hop, can you?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: No? Absolutely not. No, I can't afford it. I can't
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: afford it. I can't afford the risk.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: She's a little sensitive. Still, this is the thing.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: This is why, like everyone said, ah, she's taking the pier.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So this is some big sort of meta kind of
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: thing about where she'll do something create this huge cultural
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: global moment, which is what she lectures and writes about
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: in there, interminable, impenetrable essays. I think that's I'm worried
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: about it. I do not think there's I think she's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I do not think she's functioning. I think she's really Yeah, anyway,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that's my diagnosis to France.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Now where the handshake battle between President Donald Trump and
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: France's Immanuel Macron has continued now that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: He is president elect.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Check this out.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Here's the footage of them greeting each other at the
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: reopening of Not for Dame on the weekend. You can
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: see that second count in the corner there. This one
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: goes for I don't mean to spoil it for you,
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: but seventeen seconds point, are they just holding hands?
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: That's what That's what I want to know.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: But he's touching over to you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: He has had nothing on their twenty nine second handshake,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: which took place during Trump's first term. I mean, I'm
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: not sure if that's a handshake. That's a hostage situation, right.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I love this power move of dominance he does where
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: he keeps patting mccron's hand like he's a little boy.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for Mark Latham. How do I lose election
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: for the handshake I gave? Howard when Trump does these ones.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: But these are friendly handshakes. They almost their borderline inappropriate handcase.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: So they.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: On to him. That's amazing, all the.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Their previous record, but still seventeen seconds.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Tell you for a fascist and a dictator and a hitler,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: he's very friendly. That's all we've got time for tonight,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: but stick around. Coming up in just a moment is
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: the Reader Penney Show.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Good Night,