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Joe Rogan Experience _2430 - Jay Anderson · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day. What's happening, man?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, bro?
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  Speaker 1: Very nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe. I really,
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  Speaker 3: really appreciate you taking me out here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a
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  Speaker 1: while now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that
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  Speaker 3: you first started getting interested in what I was doing?
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  Speaker 3: What kind of subject?
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  Speaker 1: What topic? I wish I remembered. Because I know you've.
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  Speaker 3: Followed me for a couple of years. Before the Capra
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  Speaker 3: Pyramid scans and stuff. You know I'm into the UFO
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  Speaker 3: subject and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I wasn't sure. Well, it's all the silly shit
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  Speaker 1: that I love. Silly and serious at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's all cotangent.
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  Speaker 1: It all... I think so, too. We actually played a clip.
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  Speaker 1: We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters. Love him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked to him a couple times.
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  Speaker 1: He was very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy.
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  Speaker 1: But we played, we were talking about, he has a
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  Speaker 1: theory that aliens are human beings in the future.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very strange theory.
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  Speaker 3: Based on like kind of the anthropological theory. view and
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  Speaker 3: the physiology and how that might have happened over time.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also, what was the model? There's the many
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  Speaker 1: worlds theory. And then what was his model? There's a
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  Speaker 1: different one. The concept is you could, if you lived
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  Speaker 1: in the future, you could go back in time and
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  Speaker 1: it would not affect the future because everything that's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to happen is already happening. And you were supposed to
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  Speaker 1: go back anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I tried to get my head. But anyway, during
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  Speaker 1: that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies and
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  Speaker 1: then we played your club. Oh, okay. Yeah, we played
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  Speaker 1: the clip that showed all the scans. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and
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  Speaker 1: actually touched those things and was there with them and
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  Speaker 1: how surreal it was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go and
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  Speaker 3: see the Nazca mummies. I wish I could have seen them.
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  Speaker 3: I was out there to look at all the megalithic
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  Speaker 3: studies and the excavations going on at Sacsayhuaman, which is
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  Speaker 3: an incredible megalithic site in Cusco. But the Nazca mummies,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's interesting about it is that Obviously, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's
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  Speaker 3: so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human
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  Speaker 3: intelligences that are mummified. But when you actually look at
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  Speaker 3: the CT scans and the x-rays, you start to realize
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  Speaker 3: that this can't be faked. You can't fake bone cartilage.
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  Speaker 3: You can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus
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  Speaker 3: inside the body.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them have eggs inside them. Some of them
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  Speaker 3: have fetuses.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like the eggs are big.
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  Speaker 3: Big eggs, like inside them. And these are small beings.
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  Speaker 3: These ones are meant to be like the little kind
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  Speaker 3: of like 60 centimeter beings with like three eggs inside them.
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  Speaker 3: Then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an
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  Speaker 3: actual fetus, like a baby not in an egg. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like, if these are all real, it does feel
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  Speaker 3: like there was some sort of genetic experimentation going on
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  Speaker 3: where they're just churning out prototypes of some form.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's it? Or do you think that
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  Speaker 1: there used to be another type of, for lack of
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  Speaker 1: a better word, primate? Well, the thing is... Is that
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  Speaker 1: a primate? I mean, what is that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian,
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  Speaker 3: anthropod kind of lineage. So like the bigger ones seem
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  Speaker 3: to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with the
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  Speaker 3: eggs are sharing reptilian traits. So it's like there are
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  Speaker 3: all these different variations with these different bodies and different
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  Speaker 3: kind of like physiological characteristics, which is why it's like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: is this one lineage or is this just someone kind
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  Speaker 3: of like tweaking?
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, that one failed.
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  Speaker 3: That one's not working.
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  Speaker 1: This one grew wings. All right, fuck that one off.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's just weird.
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  Speaker 1: So your thought is that these are the products of experiments.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at Jesse, when Jesse Michaels
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  Speaker 3: did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember exactly, um,
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  Speaker 3: where he got this from, but he was saying that
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  Speaker 3: the original translation of the area of Nazca from the
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  Speaker 3: original language was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning.
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  Speaker 3: Or it was like a really strange definition for the
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  Speaker 3: actual area that kind of says experimentation and genetic modification.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something
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  Speaker 3: that he brought up in the documentary.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, huh? Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have all of these various different examples.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you? Yeah. Who said that? Who called
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  Speaker 1: it that?
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  Speaker 3: So when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was
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  Speaker 3: just a scene in it. Now, my memory is failing
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  Speaker 3: me a little bit, but there's a scene in it
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  Speaker 3: where he's talking about the Nazca region. And he said
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  Speaker 3: that in the original language, this translates roughly to the
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  Speaker 3: area of experimentation and genetics of some form.
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  Speaker 1: But how do they know what those terms were? I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just a weird little caveat that he brought
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  Speaker 3: up in the documentary. He'd probably be rolling his eyes
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  Speaker 3: at me now, like, dude, I actually fucking know exactly
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  Speaker 3: what this is. You're making me look like an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: You're butchering it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm butchering it.
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  Speaker 1: I do that all the time.
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  Speaker 3: No, for sure. But just the fact that these things exist,
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  Speaker 3: and they exist in an area of the world which
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  Speaker 3: is full of mystery. I mean, the megalithic sites around there.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, that's what I was out there for,
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  Speaker 3: to see these different megalithic sites and the Nazca Lines. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Sacsayhuaman and in the Sacred Valley, you just
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  Speaker 3: have like incredibly complex architecture. You know, rose quartz, granite, diorite, andesite,
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  Speaker 3: these incredibly hard stones like in Egypt. But honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture
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  Speaker 3: because of just the level of interlocking precision that you
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  Speaker 3: see and the fact that it looks like they've softened
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  Speaker 3: the stone. In Sacsayhuaman, it looks like marshmallows, like all
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  Speaker 3: squished together. And it just invokes a lot of different
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  Speaker 3: theories from people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Like, it does seem like there's some areas where
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  Speaker 1: chunks have been removed from, you know, the quarries. But
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  Speaker 1: when they're all pieced together, when you see those weird, like,
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  Speaker 1: curvatures to it, it's like, what were you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: And perfect precision.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect precision.
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  Speaker 1: And, like.
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you'll see like these corners where just a tiny
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  Speaker 3: bit of stone is jutting up and then the other
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  Speaker 3: two are connecting into it. So this is such a
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  Speaker 3: ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600 year ago,
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  Speaker 3: bronze age, bronze chisels and stone hammer tool wielding civilization.
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  Speaker 3: And also in Peru is what I find very interesting
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  Speaker 3: is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use when
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  Speaker 3: you look at what is the Inca work, which is
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  Speaker 3: the rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls like
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  Speaker 3: this is all present in Peru. next to the megalithic sites.
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  Speaker 3: And the mainstream will attribute all of this to the
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  Speaker 3: Inca of 600 years ago. But you'll see that the
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  Speaker 3: stone walls that are rough cut and use cement and mortar,
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  Speaker 3: they're still standing. They're pretty pristine. They're looking good. Next
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  Speaker 3: to megalithic multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken to
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  Speaker 3: pieces and strewn across the hillside. So it just looks
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  Speaker 3: like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological trauma
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  Speaker 3: in this area. And then these people, the Inca, discovered
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  Speaker 3: these sites, built around them, You can see in the
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  Speaker 3: cracks and corners of all these megaliths that there's stone
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  Speaker 3: walls that they've tried to reinforce. It's very visually obvious, actually,
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  Speaker 3: when you go out to these places.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the
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  Speaker 1: possibility that this is from an older time? It's heresy.
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  Speaker 3: It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man. I think, at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, we're still using models from
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  Speaker 3: 1800s explorers, right? It's like, what the fuck? We've moved forward.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these countries, whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe
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  Speaker 3: in Turkey or the potential infrastructure below the Giza plateau.
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  Speaker 3: And then the incredible megaliths in Peru, like Sacsayhuaman. It
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  Speaker 3: just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same
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  Speaker 3: status quo orthodoxy and it's coming up against a ever
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  Speaker 3: piling higher mountain of evidence. And one of the cool
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  Speaker 3: things that I got to do out in Peru was
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  Speaker 3: go to Saxa Woman, where they've got current archaeological digs
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  Speaker 3: going on through the Chinkana Project, which is an archaeological
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  Speaker 3: team out there, and they're doing digs. And they have
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  Speaker 3: actually discovered below, like 10 meters down into the ground,
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  Speaker 3: precision carved blocks of stone that are coming out of
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  Speaker 3: the earth. And this is where, in this region, in Cusco,
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  Speaker 3: the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth
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  Speaker 3: below ground connecting Cusco to Saxa Woman, connecting Saxa Woman
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  Speaker 3: to the Sacred Valley, all spreading out across the Andean
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  Speaker 3: mountain range. And this is like an old legend. This
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  Speaker 3: is what the shamans and the sacred keepers of knowledge
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  Speaker 3: would say in Peru. We're finding evidence for it. We're
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  Speaker 3: literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually
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  Speaker 3: really precise elements of infrastructure below Sacsayhuaman. And they're just
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  Speaker 3: beginning to uncover this. I was one of the first
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  Speaker 3: to go down there and actually see these blocks myself.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just like, This is happening now. We're actually
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  Speaker 3: getting to a place where we can start to validate
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  Speaker 3: some of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you
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  Speaker 3: want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological
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  Speaker 3: side of things. It's being evidenced now.
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  Speaker 1: That's mad. So these tunnels, what is exactly the structure
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be down there? And what have they discovered?
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  Speaker 3: So it's supposed to be called the Shinkana, the labyrinth.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a few different chinkana entrances.
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  Speaker 1: Around the region. How big is it supposed to be?
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  Speaker 3: Vast, multiple kilometers. It's stretching from down Saxa Woman, down
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  Speaker 3: into Cusco, and then off into the Andean mountain range
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  Speaker 3: to the Sacred Valley.
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  Speaker 1: So it's very similar to some of the stuff they
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  Speaker 1: found in Egypt.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's banana.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks
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  Speaker 3: and signatures that you see in Egypt. So you see
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  Speaker 3: the stone nubs, you know, these little protrusions that you get.
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  Speaker 3: I'm addicted to those, man, because they are all over
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  Speaker 3: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any theories?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories. I
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  Speaker 3: certainly think that the.
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  Speaker 1: We should show an image of it for people that
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  Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Stone nubs.
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  Speaker 1: There's all of these incredible, massive stones that have been
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  Speaker 1: somehow or another moved from a quarry, sometimes that were
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away. They all have these weird nubs
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  Speaker 1: on them. and no one knows what they are and
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of theories like maybe they helped them
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  Speaker 1: move yeah these things you see them all over the
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  Speaker 1: place and no one quite knows.
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  Speaker 3: What those are you see them in India you see
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  Speaker 3: them in um Egypt, you see them in Peru. This
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  Speaker 3: is in Olen Tentambo in the Sacred Valley.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the things that's so infuriating about
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  Speaker 1: people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information and being the
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  Speaker 1: only ones that are allowed to distribute the truth, air quotes.
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  Speaker 1: We're missing so much. There's no way you really know.
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  Speaker 3: Huge gaps of knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: We're missing so much, and more time goes on. As
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  Speaker 1: Graham Hancock always says, shit just keeps getting older. And
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  Speaker 1: now they just push back the use of fire by 300,000
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  Speaker 1: plus years? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, exactly. It just keeps going.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going forward. No. It's going backwards.
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  Speaker 3: And anatomically modern humans, I think, have gone much further
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  Speaker 3: back now in time. They're looking at 800,000 years.
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  Speaker 1: Plus. Plus. Possibly even a million. This is what weirds
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  Speaker 1: me out about these creatures. Human beings have gotten to
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  Speaker 1: the point multiple times where we're almost extinct. The Toba volcano,
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  Speaker 1: I think we got down to... God, was it 7,000 people?
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  Speaker 1: Is that like the low estimate? Damn, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a crazy story. Like super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating
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  Speaker 1: to just all life, you know, because it just changes
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  Speaker 1: the temperature of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get blasted out of the ground by the actual volcano itself.
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  Speaker 1: All the other stuff on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: world gets fucked. Like it just ruins everything. We got
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  Speaker 1: down to like a few thousand people. And then there
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  Speaker 1: was another time where one of these guys, God, I
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  Speaker 1: forget who that was as well, we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the reality of glaciation and about what happens during ice
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  Speaker 1: ages and how devastating it can be. And they were
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  Speaker 1: saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in
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  Speaker 1: the history of the Earth to the point where it
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  Speaker 1: was incapable of sustaining life. Wow. That within a few,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide
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  Speaker 1: are necessary to support plant life, We literally got to
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  Speaker 1: the part where it was almost impossible to support life.
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  Speaker 1: And then it rebounded, and everything's fine. So there's so
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  Speaker 1: much we don't know. Absolutely, man. This is so crazy
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  Speaker 1: to try to pretend you know that people 600 years
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  Speaker 1: ago make this. Because we know people 600 years ago
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  Speaker 1: lived there. We have a lot of archaeological evidence. But
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  Speaker 1: you have weird structures on top of, obviously... much more
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  Speaker 1: intricate and complex structures.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And again, they share the same signatures as places like
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  Speaker 3: in Egypt and India.
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  Speaker 1: But if you bring this up, they think you're a kook.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. It's just a knee-jerk reaction. It's, again,
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  Speaker 3: it's adherence to a status quo. And, you know, you
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it can be a real detriment, actually,
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  Speaker 3: to opening up your ideas and being a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more expansive with what could be possible because you do
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  Speaker 3: get put into a very restrictive format in the traditional
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  Speaker 3: academic sense and then obviously you have, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: pressures of funding and things like this and you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to get the funding if you're talking about this
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  Speaker 3: crazy shit and it's just like a self-fulfilling censoring, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but with the rise of alternative media. We're changing the
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  Speaker 3: game a bit because you can actually put a voice
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  Speaker 3: out there. You can put an idea out there. It's
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  Speaker 3: not completely stonewalled by the academic circle. They can't actually
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  Speaker 3: prevent people from discussing these ideas in an open media
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  Speaker 3: format like this.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And if you put a video like you did
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  Speaker 1: on X or on YouTube, people can like the video
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  Speaker 1: that you did on the aliens, whatever they are. Whatever
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  Speaker 1: they are. People can see the CT scans. Exactly. You
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  Speaker 1: see the CT scans and you automatically go, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: this is 1,200 years old?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me someone faked this 1,200 years ago? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they could fake that now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they could.
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood special effects guys, but then the composition of the
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  Speaker 1: actual bones and everything.
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  Speaker 3: Like cartilage and muscle tissue.
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  Speaker 1: How would you fake that?
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  Speaker 4: Circling back, I texted Jesse to ask him for some
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  Speaker 4: insight on what you asked for. So what he sent
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  Speaker 4: me was a screenshot of a book where he got
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  Speaker 4: it from.
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  Speaker 3: I had to translate.
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  Speaker 4: Translation here shows.
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  Speaker 3: Science of insemination.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jumana, I guess, was the local word.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a local word for what that area is called. Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a book he found from that area,
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  Speaker 4: I think. And it says, yeah, laboratory of insemination and cloning.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: And look at all these terms. They use Yuma, Isu, Semen, Yume,
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  Speaker 1: a verb to inseminate, Yumage, The Science of Insemination, Yuma Paj,
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  Speaker 1: Wise Inseminator, Yuma, Scion, or Clone.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Jumei to Clone, Jumaj, The Science of Cloning, and Jumaj,
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  Speaker 1: Wise Cloner.
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  Speaker 3: So basically- What the fuck, man? You know, it's there.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting, and then obviously- Go back to that, please, again.
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  Speaker 3: You get- Alongside this kind of description, you have these bodies,
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  Speaker 3: you have this.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, this is mad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, this was like one little 10-second clip in his documentary,
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  Speaker 3: and it just made me perk up, like, wait a minute, what?
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  Speaker 1: The name of the place is like a laboratory of
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  Speaker 1: insemination and cloning.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: And you're getting a smorgasbord of different beings coming out
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: of this area, right?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: What?
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Jesse does add, I think he's speculating somewhat on the etymology,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: not definitive.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, of course.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. But yeah, I mean, it's there.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: That's why Jesse's better at this than me. I'm like,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: it's clear. Oh, it's done. The proof is there. Wow,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: that is so nuts. But it is interesting.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting. And I think it does, you know,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: leads into what was happening on this planet a long
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: time ago.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It doesn't, at least, like, my point was when I
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: was getting to the whole super volcano thing.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: What if something happened that wiped that species out? Right, right. Like,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: clearly there's no more Neanderthals, right? Whatever happened, whether it
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: was us or disease or whatever killed them off, they
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. We only have evidence of people that
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: are bred with them. What is that thing? Is that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: thing maybe one of us, like another kind of human? Look,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: another kind of primate. You know, look how different we
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: are than rhesus monkeys, right? Like we're all primates. We're
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: so fucking different. Why would we assume that the ones
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that we found so far, including like, what did they find?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Denisovans like 15 years ago or something like that? Right, right, right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: And then Homo Juliens. What was that one? That was
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: just a few years ago. They keep finding these new
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: versions of people. Not new, obviously. No. But long extinct
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: versions of people.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's possible. And I also think that there's
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: a potential. What if a particular sub-root species of hominid
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: decided to opt in for subterranean living? And they escaped
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of the surface world traumas and were actually
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: able to kind of maintain their society. I mean, look
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: at all of the weird evidence we have for these
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: vast underground environments. Darren Cooley would love to go there,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: my God.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Corsetti just released a video on it. It's bananas.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine renovating your house and fucking finding that?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Renovating your house and finding there's room for 20,000 people
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: under your house.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Would you say anything?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to think about where I live.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It depends on where I live. You live in a
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: place where the government can just come and take your house.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be worried about that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I would say it if I was in America. But
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: if it was in America, what if I really liked
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: my house? And now my house is connected to this underground.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: World Heritage Site. But the fucking archaeologists want to come.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, get out of my yard.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly. But like, yeah, I think about this and
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I think about all of these different... Oh, it moved. Good, good. No,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to hear that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking around.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Happy to hear that. But it's interesting. And then you have,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: you know, the strange stories like from the Hopi tribe
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: about the ant people that came during a time of
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: cataclysm and they brought them underground and then they brought
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: them back up. And there's a few like that. There
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: was a really interesting... podcast it was years ago i
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: remember seeing this where they'd brought these two amazonian shamans
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: on the podcast like full headdress they spoke their own
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: tribal language they needed an interpreter in the room and
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the guy asked them what they thought about aliens and
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: they didn't understand the question didn't know what he meant
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: by alien he was like thumbing through this book and
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: he put up a picture of a gray and the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: tribesman went oh that's muck and wobble that's muck and
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: wobble And they had a whole story about how this
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: was a human that became an ant that lives underground.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: And it can appear in the divine light. But you
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: should be very careful with this being because it will
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: take your soul underground. And you need a very good
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: shaman to bring your soul back. And they were taking
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: it real seriously. Like, yeah. Yeah, dude.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So it's.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Like these tribal cultures.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: They know, man.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: They fucking know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they have. I think there's an ancient
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: memory in people. I think it's one of the reasons
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: why these post-apocalypse movies are so popular. There's a lot
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: of post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like people, they figure
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: out how to make houses out of wood again. They're
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: surviving and they make little encampments and they fight off
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the intruders from the outside. You know, real like Walking
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Dead type shit with no zombies. I think there's a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: memory in us of the surviving humans. I think there's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a memory. And I think we probably have been through
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: some terrible moments in the Earth's history where there was
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: an enormous disaster and we are the ancestors of the survivors.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And I don't think there was a lot of survivors.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: No. In fact, I heard you talking about that the
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: other day where you were saying about like the– and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it's something I agree with, the necessity for post-cataclysm, post-apocalypse survival.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: The strong men would inherit the earth.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Monsters would inherit the earth.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Monsters would inherit the earth, right? Yeah. civilization prior to
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: this may be even more matriarchal than patriarchal. It would
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: make sense that when things fall apart, obviously, and now
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you need to survive in the wild, the strong men
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and the, you know, savage guys would inherit the earth
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: because they would be the ones who would be able to,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: you know, push through that type of environment. And then
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: if that is the case and you fast forward to
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive, hyper
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: kind of aggressive culture that we have, it would make
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: sense that this was formed through the seeds of trauma
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and through the seeds of having to fight for survival
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and recovering what was lost.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. Which also makes sense why the past, the further
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you go back, the more barbaric these people are. You're
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: dealing and you're like, well, it took a while for
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: people to learn. Maybe. But maybe you're dealing with people
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that had to they probably had to cannibalize. I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: they probably had to eat everything they could. There was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: only a few thousand of them left. If we really
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: got hit by asteroids, like if the Younger Dryas is correct,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it makes sense that it would take like 5,000 years
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: for civilization to emerge again. Because that seems to be
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: what happened. It seems to be like you have literally
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the scraggliest survivors and then eventually the Earth gets back
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to normal and But even then, it takes thousands of
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: years for people to just have a semblance of what
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: we're experiencing today in terms of civilization.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the Neolithic
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and the Stone Age. Because, okay, so this is a
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: time when we were just basic hunter-gatherers. We had no,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: you know, intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the world,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: according to the mainstream. But this is where you have multi-ton,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: geodetically aligned solar equinox and and what's the lunar alignment
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I've completely just blanked just because I'm a little bit
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: nervous of being on here but like you know like
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: equinox alignment and like alignments to the sun and the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: moon mathematically geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground a lot of these
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: stone hinges and dolmens are placed on places where you
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: have strong electromagnetic concentrations and just the the the package
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: of um mathematics and engineering and stone crafting and the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: knowledge of the sun and the stars and your placement
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: on the planet to create things like you know stonehenge
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: and these other areas in the world how how can
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you do that if you're just hunter gatherers coming out
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of you know animalistic behavior it doesn't make any sense
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and then we kind of regress as we go further
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: into history and you know the stonework becomes less impressive
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the Things become less accurate. And I find that very interesting.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: How is it at the beginnings of our history some
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of the most impressive structures exist?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. No. Just Egypt alone
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: with the conventional timeline of 2500 BC for the Great
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Pyramid doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I think that they most likely settled around those pyramids.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Most likely.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Most likely settled around them. And, you know, the scans,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: if these can be validated fully and empirically with digs
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It changes everything. And you're seeing a lot of people
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: spaz out online. Oh, yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It's been wonderful to watch. It's been wonderful to watch
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: because when people are under pressure, their real character gets revealed. Right, right, right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And they're under a lot of pressure right now because
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: those scans that radio tomography or whatever the fuck it is.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Synthetic aperture radar, yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists. Yes, yes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That's what's a real problem for these people. You want
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to believe it exists when it can map out all
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: these chambers in the pyramids. You want to believe it
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: exists when it can map out things that we know
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that exist 50 feet underground. You're cool with that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: But one kilometer of subterranean.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Also, multiple scans. Multiple.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Like over 200.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's all the same message.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: They're getting the same message. There's pillars. Enormous pillars. They
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have coils around them. What? Pillars with coils. All of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: them have coils. Yeah, dude. And the whole structure is
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like almost two kilometers deep into the earth.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: It's obscene. It's obscene. Like laterally as well, like two
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: kilometers of infrastructure. It's like the whole underground.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Explain.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Help me out, people with copper tools.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Help me out.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And that was my frustration when it first came out
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: because when it came out, Obviously, I did some research
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: into the people involved in the Khafre Pyramid team. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: found Filippo Bionde. I found his Harmonic Tsar website where
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: it has listed the things like the Mosul Dam in
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Iraq and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places that
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: they'd actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: which was peer-reviewed. Their 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: was a peer-reviewed paper. And then you fast forward to
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: now where they've got these ones and you have people like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Flint Dibble on Piers Morgan going, it's bullshit,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: it's pseudoscience, it's never been done before, it's never been tested.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: It's like it has been done. It has been tested.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: It's actually got a patent. It's been peer reviewed in
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: a paper. It's got military applications. It's got military applications.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And Filippo Biondi, he works for the Italian government. Like
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: he's not some idiot. He's a very, very intelligent man.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And he can speak on the science of this like articulately.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It works on top secret projects for the Italian military.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught that little scene in Jesse's... Yeah,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I did catch that. He didn't even say a fucking word, man. Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: not a word.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Can we not talk about that? He just looks at
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: him and he's like, okay, we'll just figure that out.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: That's when you know, man. That's when you know.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But I mean, whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even your
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: field of expertise. It just shows what kind of a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: fucking weirdo you are. Like, what you should be doing
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is going, okay... How many scans do you have? Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You have 200 scans of this? Show me more. Show
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: me more. Tell me what's going on. We should probably
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: figure out what that is. Imagine if the pyramids didn't exist.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Or imagine if it was like, you know, the Sphinx
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: at one point in time was mostly covered with sand.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: structure is covered in sand. And nobody knows it exists.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And then someone comes along and does a scan of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the surface of the ground and says... you're not gonna
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: fucking believe this, but there's some shit under there. Now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: what if everybody goes, that's ridiculous, that's preposterous, and they
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: don't look. And they don't look. We never find the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: thing that we all agree exists, because you can go there,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you can visit. It's there, right? If that didn't exist,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you'd never fucking believe in a million years There's a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and west. And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,000
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: or 500 years ago.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, that sounds like some pseudoscience conspiracy talk to me, Joe.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Sounds like kookiness. Why is it more kooky to say
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: these people not only were this advanced, they were even
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: more advanced. Way more. They were down into the ground,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: two kilometers. It might have been a power station.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Filippo... thinks that. He seems to think
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the Great Pyramid and the plateau itself because what you
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics and
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: rose granite becomes electrical, piezoelectric, under mechanical stress and acoustics
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: are a form of mechanical stress. So there's certainly something
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to be said about the fact that the pyramids are
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: acoustically tuned. They're incredible inside the acoustics. And they've done
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: lots of measurements and experiments on validating that, that it
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: to the King's Chamber. And then the King's Chamber itself,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz, which
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: On top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: between limestone and rose quartz granite, where under the right conditions,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you absolutely could get energetic responses from that. But as
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: really quite impressive. And when you look at places like
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the Osirian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: down temple, we call everything a temple or a sacred site,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but we really don't know, do we? It could be
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: functional sites, could be a power plant of some form,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: like you said. And the Assyrian in Abydos, next to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: it you have the Seti I Temple, which is incredible.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics. And then
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place called the Assyrian,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: So they've tried to pump it out and it just
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: fills back up again because it's connected down into the
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: water table. And there's all these different shafts and hydrological
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: kind of components in this site that they don't understand
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the full function of. And then you look at places
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: like the Great Pyramid where you go down to the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have like the kind
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: of core. And this whole area looks like it's been
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: water eroded as if it was flooded out repeatedly and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: used as some sort of like a pump or some
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: sort of like sequencing area where you push water in
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and then let it out, push water in and let
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: it out. And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: bringing water up, And if you're a thousand meters down,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you're tapping into like ancient aquifers. So you could be
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient water.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And I just wonder if, same with Peru, there's something
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: incredibly important about accessing this kind of water, the real
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: depths of the earth. And they seem to have a
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: real interest in doing that. So perhaps the pyramids are
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in some way like, I mean, if these spirals are real,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: it's like a plug, isn't it? It's like plugged into
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the earth, connected down into these aquifers. Perhaps it was
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, fantastic.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I had him on the podcast and he explained to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: us his theory. He's an engineer. Yeah. And he started
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: studying the structure of the pyramid. And his conclusion was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the entire thing was probably used to generate energy. and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it's like what but when he breaks it down in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: terms of I'll butcher the math if I even try
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: but in terms of the dimensions the way it's made
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and the fact that you could have something that was
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: down in the basement that was somehow or another creating
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a resonance that would have this effect the shafts that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: go out straight out into space and the fact that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: there's Evidence that they would possibly use these shafts to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: pour chemicals in and it would create gases. Well, this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is pretty nuts.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It is nuts. But, you know, when I was, not
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the last time I was out in Egypt, but the
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: time before then, I was out there with a guy
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: called Jeffrey Drum. He's got a YouTube channel called The
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Land of Chem. And he's all about this in terms
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes was going
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: on in the pyramids and these other areas. And we
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: filmed all of the coverage of that. If anyone wants
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to go and see it on my YouTube channel. taking
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you have
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: iron vein networks that are flowing out from the central point.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: And these iron veins are heading down into what are
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: called these boat pits.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: When you say iron veins, so like iron ore. Iron ore.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's on the surface. It's deep in the ground.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some on the surface. So you can
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: kind of rusted out and oxidized. And you can make
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: it out. But surely it must be deeper as well.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: down into these.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Like it's emanating from the pyramids?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: So his theory is that they built the pyramids. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: His theory is that they built the pyramids on top
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: lightning strikes frequently.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It's a giant lightning rod.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Dude, I mean... These things are built in a way
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: and they were gold capped at one point.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Right. And gold is a really good conductor.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Conductor of electricity.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Electronics.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: And the Giza Plateau is covered in these conductive iron
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: vein networks, which the pyramids do seem to be built upon. Now,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: this is, you know, his personal theory. But, you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: he's an American. He's been living out in Cairo now
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: for about six or seven years, I believe. He's been
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: he just decided to up and move out there and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: dedicate his life to exploring these places. And so he
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: took us across all of these amazing areas and showed
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: us things I'd never seen before in Egypt. But his
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: theory on the pyramids is similar to Christopher Dunn in
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: terms of some form of chemical manufacturing taking place. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: if you know, the original name for Egypt was Kemet.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: That's why this guy's got his YouTube channel, The Land
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: of Chem. Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: So this is one of the root words where we
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: then got chemistry and alchemy from. So It is the
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: land of chemistry and alchemy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: That's bananas.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: There you go. Oh, this is one of his videos.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: This is the iron ore?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins. And
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: these iron veins head out into what are called boat pits,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: which they believed in the mainstream interpretation.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You're freaking me out with the land of chem. That
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is crazy. But when did they name that?
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know when it was named that, but it
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: was originally referenced as Kemet in some of the ancient Greek. And,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: you know, there's reference to it being called Kemet, K-H-E-M-E-T.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And it really means the same thing?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It's what people believe is the continuation of alchemy and
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: chemistry because you get so much alchemy from Egypt. And obviously,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: this is the place where you get Hermes, Trismegistus and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Hermeticism and the Philosopher's Stone kind of leaks out from
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: these types of areas. So I think that there is
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: a lot to suggest this. Plus, we actually know in
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the mainstream that they were incredible chemists, regardless of exotic
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: forms of chemistry. We know they were using acids and
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: natron baths and things like this. The Egyptians knew what
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: they were doing, even from the perspective that we understand,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Right. And you're talking about Egyptians like Cleopatra times. Right.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: So we know that they were doing it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Historically. Exactly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That's why it's so strange. Like, if this structure is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: proved to be real, if they start an excavation and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: they have irrefutable proof, like, without a doubt, there's some
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: man-made structures that are beyond description underneath the ground. What
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: happens now? Like, what does everybody do? Like, what do
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: all these dorks that think that that's a tomb, what
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: do you do? What do you do?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: What do you do at that point?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: What do you do to all those dorks that think, like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it makes sense that they built that? It was a
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: national pastime. It's a national project. Come on, bro. Settle
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the fuck down.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I think at that point you have to give in
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand as like an
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: intelligence test because they are so crazy. When you have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: stones that are so large that are taken from quarries
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away. 500 miles away. a lot of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: these people supposedly didn't even have the wheel. So what
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is this? You don't think this is crazy? This isn't like, oh,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: we know they used the wood from these trees to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: build these homes. This is bananas.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whole other level.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: This is something that would take us hundreds of years
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: today to build.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that is said so much,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: but I guess it's kind of shrugged off just because
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: it's said so much, but it's actually a really important
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: point to highlight. There are no hieroglyphs in the pyramids.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Not one.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: There's not a single symbol, not a single element of
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: what we would understand to be dynastic Egypt. And so
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: you have this incredible contradiction when you go to places
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the Queens, gold, and it's adorned in patterns. You can't
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: see a square inch of stone where there isn't something
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: filled to venerate these people. And yet the pyramids are bare.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Bare. Bare.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And, you know, when you go inside them, you're going
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to go to Egypt, right? Eventually, yeah. When you go
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: inside them, it just feels mechanical. It feels functional. It's,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: you know, big portcullises of rose granite and these shafts
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: going off perfectly vertical off into the, you can't even see.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And there's nothing about it that feels spiritual or funerary
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Well, just looking at it, it looks to me like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: An advancement of what we are that's almost indescribable, like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a thousand-year advancement of where we are currently to build
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: something like that. It seems so nuts. And there's obviously
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't seem as nuts. It's just beautiful and impressive. Right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Just like the Colosseum in Rome is. Or like the Acropolis.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: All those things are fascinating and incredible things. craftsmanship and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: engineering and architecture. Amazing. Yeah. But then there's Egypt and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you go, shut the fuck up. Like, what is that?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: That's nuts. Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: And I resent the idea that we're like taking it
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: away from them. It's like, let's just be logical about
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: this and actually assess the toolkit and assess the capabilities
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Also, we're not because it's people that lived in the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: same place. So it's literally just the older versions of them. Right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and they did it all and then they flew back.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: No, that's not what anybody's saying.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: We're just saying it's your more ancient ancestors.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your ancestors. The timeline's off. The timeline seems funky. Clearly,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: there were some amazing things that the Egyptians did during
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the accepted timeline. I mean, they were a fascinating culture
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: all through till the end, right?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: When you go really far back, whatever that is, is nuts.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And when you're saying that you know exactly when it
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: was dated, when there's so much evidence of just today, modern...
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: doing these reconstructions and fixing and all the feet of
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the Sphinx and they're covering it with new fucking rocks.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: They've always been doing renovations. They always do. So all
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this stuff that you're saying, like we got a piece
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of wood from inside one of the cracks, like, bitch,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything. Exactly. You can't date those rocks.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Unless you get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: take a chunk of organic material from deep underneath that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: thing so you can know when the first stones are placed,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you don't know. You're guessing.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's why we're coming to a
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: point now where there's such resistance from the mainstream when
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: you see scans like this because they've built themselves into
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: a wall. You basically have to admit, yeah, we're just
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: fucking wrong. You're also seeing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Them confronted by real evidence. Yeah. Like, real evidence. And, like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just when someone takes you for a walk inside the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: king's chamber and you look up at those stones, that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: somehow they go, like, how high are they in the sky?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: How high are they in the ceiling? How high are they?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Do you remember?
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, no, I don't. Sorry.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: What, 80-ton stones?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 80 tons in the king's chamber. 80 tons.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: How tall.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And that's.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Near the apex.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: That is near the apex.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Jamie, please put this into perplexity. How tall... is the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: ceiling inside the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid. Because
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: these things are perfectly placed in there. Even if you
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: drag those somehow or another across the mountains for 500
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: miles and got it to the pyramid, how the fuck
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: did you get it up there? How'd you get them
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: all to line up? How many people got squished? Chamber
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: itself spans 10.5 meters long by 5.2 meters wide. How
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: tall is the ceiling? 19 feet.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. But it's also near the top
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: of the pyramid. It's incredibly high up in the pyramid
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: as well. They had to lift it to that point.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: You have to get these 80-ton blocks, 19 feet, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: then place them perfectly.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And there's absolutely, again, there's nothing kingly about the king's
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: chamber at all. It's just completely a bare room of
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: rose granite with this sarcophagus coming up out of the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: floor with a huge chunk missing. And actually, if you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: look at where that huge chunk is missing and you
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: turn around and you look at the wall, there's actually
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: a massive impact on the wall. There's like a big
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: part of the wall has been broken off. It makes
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: you wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off at some
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: point from power.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: What do you think is in that, what they call
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the sarcophagus? Do you have a theory?
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've been inside it. There's nothing inside of it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You got in it?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I laid down inside of it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: That's kind of creepy.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: With a grandmaster of the Templar order chanting over me.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, fun. Yeah.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: That was my first trip to Egypt.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a video of that and put
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it up on X and no one's ever going to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: take you seriously again. Yeah, right, right. This guy's a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: fucking kook.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I am a kook.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Be a kook to really enjoy this.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And you have to be on the fringe. And also
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think some of the most impressive scientists and creators
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: have been people on the fringe who were laughed at
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: by all their peers.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Well, especially now because the way universities work is essentially
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: there's a person that is the most important person in
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that field at that university. And there's a bunch of
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: people that want grants, and there's a bunch of people
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that want to play nice, and they want their career,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and they want tenure. And you've got to be careful
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: whose toes you step on. And if this one guy
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: is the gatekeeper of it or a group of guys
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like him at various universities are the gatekeepers to this information,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you're going to come up with the current bottleneck problem
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that we see where people are not just unwilling but
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: aggressively attacking people to question this, which is why they
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: call Graham Hancock's show the most dangerous show on television.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: That is so crazy. You have so many shows where
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: people get murdered.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That's the best way to make a show go viral, though,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: isn't it? Best way to make a show go viral.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Don't fucking watch this show.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: They did a great job.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Great job on the PR.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They did a great job.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: of it, just how quickly the mainstream media in various
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: outlets all aligned at once to call him everything from
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: a racist to a pseudoscientist to a conspiracy theorist. Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: You know, it is an alarming kickback that he's taken
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: in his stride profoundly.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Profoundly. He's a wonderful guy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: He's great. I can't wait to speak to him. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: literally missed him by like three days when I went
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: out to Peru. I was gutted.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: He was my first real guest. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: He was, wasn't he?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Me and him and Duncan. We had so much fun. Oh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: That must have been such a.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I need to rewatch that. He flew in right from England.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: We got him to drive to my house.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And then once he got to my house, we ordered pizza.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: We all ate pizza.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I'm hanging out with Graham Hancock. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was so giddy. I bet. It was like one of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the first actual guests.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Giddy moments. Like, you know, you're just like, I can't
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: believe I'm actually sitting with this dude.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the guests before that had mostly been comics. Right.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Or some person that I thought was interesting. You know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: some guy that I met at the comedy store. I'm like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: what do you do? You're a therapist and what do
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you give people? Come on over.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Come and talk to me about it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a lot of those. But he was,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I think, the first real guest.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Was there like a choice, like a conscious decision for
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: you to kind of like evolve it from just, you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: a variety of subjects? Because I know you're a curious person.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You've probably been researching these things even at the point
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: before you were doing that kind of podcast because clearly
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: you were. But yeah, like what was the natural evolution
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: of that for you?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I was always into books about ancient history and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's, you know, like modernly, you know, commonly accepted
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: narrative or Graham Hancock stuff. But I got into Graham
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Hancock stuff, I think in the 90s, Fingerprints of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Gods came out.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And I fucking loved it. I was so fascinated by it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I couldn't shut the fuck up about it. I would
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: tell people, like, you got to see this. Like, I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: think this guy's right. I think we are a history
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: with amnesia or a race with amnesia. Race with amnesia, yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: And then... Of course, I watched Chariots of the Gods,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that film, which I thought was very kooky and fun.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: It's very campy and fun. And here's the thing about that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I dismissed it for a long time, and I said
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: it's nonsense. And I actually had lunch once. Eric Weinstein
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: took me to lunch at Peter Thiel's house where we
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: talked to Von Daniken. Right, right. It was fun, a
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: fun conversation. Like, interesting. I'm talking to him. He's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: full-on true believer. Von Dunican?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fully. Of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And back– see, I've gone in like multiple stages in
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: my cognitive dissonance. And for a while I was all
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: in with the aliens. I hear you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I'm the same though.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And then for a while I was like, no, no, no.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: There was an advanced civilization and we're just a rebuilding
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of that civilization. And that's probably why we're so barbaric.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And now I'm like, why are they mutually exclusive?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: It could be a mix.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they are mutually exclusive.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: At one point, the gods walked amongst us, you know?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Right. And that's when I see the things like the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: tridactyl mummies, and I'm like, okay, okay, okay. What is that?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: What are we talking? Why is Peru so weird? Why
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: do they have artwork that you can only see from
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the sky? Like, there's a lot of weird shit going
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: on here. Like, don't be so quick to jump.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So my point is, like, I have always been fascinated
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: by stories. First of all, any subject that makes you
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: ridiculous for considering it. I'm always like, what's that about? Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Why is that ridiculous?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Scratch that itch a little bit.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Even the kooky ones, like ghosts.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot. All the kooky ones. Like, why? What's the resistance?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Why can't you talk about something? I had a Russian
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: astronaut tell me a Bigfoot story. What did he say?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Pinch of salt, but he claimed that he had been
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: told this by a military guy out in Russia that
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: they were in the rec room of this like Air
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Force base and apparently this is according to this Russian
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and he said that this yeti Sasquatch type being apparently
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: just waltzed in like just walked into their rec room
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: helped itself to some water from the water thing Waved
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: and then vanished.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So this guy, what was his job?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yuri Gagarin
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Space Center in Star City, Moscow.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Bro, they probably dosed him up with so many fucking...
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I bet they did. NK Ultra drugs.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: If you're holding on to that kind of information... It's
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: an interesting story. they probably experiment on you. Mm-hmm. Yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: they probably gave that guy some acid.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I've never given the Sasquatch thing. It's due course in
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: researching it, to be honest. I've been very dismissive of that,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: but maybe it's real. Oh, I have.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, the demographic behind it. I used to have
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: a Sasquatch Bigfoot footprint, like a cast, like a plaster
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: cast on the desk. Rest in peace, Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He just recently died. I had him as a guest
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: on the show once, too. He's so crazy. I told him,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I asked him if he was so crazy, but in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a wonderful way. I said, if you could cut a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: finger off to know that Sasquatch was real, would you
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: do it? He was like, yes.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Instantly.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck, dude? It's your finger.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Don't say yes to that. What if the information just
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: comes out and you don't have to lose a finger?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Just saying that with off a finger.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I think Bigfoot was a real thing.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's why there's something like.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Do you think it was just like some sort of
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: like branch of creature? Because so many people think it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: like an interdimensional being.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: It could be that too, but I think it's Gigantopithecus initially.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Gigantopithecus was an absolute real thing that we didn't even
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: know existed until the, I believe it was the 20s. Yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: around then. That find its teeth in an apothecary shop
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: in China. And then they started researching it and finding
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: where the dig sites were. And, you know, they found
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: jaw bones that indicate that it was bipedal. So this
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: is a bipedal hominid that's 8 to 10 feet tall.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: What is that? That's Bigfoot. That is Bigfoot. And that's probably,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and also this thing 100% lived around modern human beings.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Like what we are today, it lived around us. So
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: imagine you see one of those things. Well, first of all,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you're going to fucking run like hell. You're going to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have stories. This thing lives in the woods or in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the jungle. Stay out of this spot. That's where this
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: thing lives. And that's going to be passed on from
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: generation to generation to generation until even after they're gone,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: now it's just a whisper. Now it's just a thing.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Now it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Are there like antiquated Bigfoot stories like outside of just modern?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, without a doubt. Especially Native American cultures. That's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: what's interesting is like Native American tribes, there's multiple, obviously,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: many different tribes, many different languages, right? They all have
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: a word for this thing, right? Let's put this into perplexity.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: How many different Native American names are there for Bigfoot?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Because I believe Sasquatch is a Native American. I don't
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: know which tribe had that, but there's multiple different names
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: for this hairy creature that lives in the woods. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: they don't have names for a giraffe that lives in
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the woods. They don't have other mystical names.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Animals.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Just this one. Mythical creatures. Just have this one. Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And this one is a fucking weird one.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect. It's
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: treated differently than just an animal. Right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: That might be real too. This is part of the problem.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: It's like we might be dealing with multiple different things.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: It might not even be gigantopithecus. Sasquatch. Skookum. That's right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I've heard that. Oma. That's right. There was a movie
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: called Oma. The guy who did the American Werewolf in London.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: That's just the last words you say when you see Bigfoot. Oh, my.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Chaitanka. Big Elder Brother.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: 70 to 80 names.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Wicked Cannibal. Oh, boy. Windago. Wicked Cannibal. Yeah, Windago. I've
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: heard that one. Windago. Yeah, I've heard that one before.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And Yetishol. How do you say that? Yetishol.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yetishol.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Yetiso?
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Big God.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: And that's the Navajo name. So there's a bunch underneath
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it says about 70 to 80 names when
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: accounting for variants across 50 tribes.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. So what is that?
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And it's the same with the alien greys, like the
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: ant people.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, and then it brings us to the same
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: subject of... What if there is a way to traverse dimensions?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: What if this is not as simple as something gets
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: in a spaceship and it comes here from another planet?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: What if it's coming from another place? And what if
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: that doorway is open to other things? And what if
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: some of those things are a Sasquatch? And under the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: right conditions, this pathway is open. And maybe it's not
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: even something that actually exists, but you can see. Exists
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: in our tangible timeline. But you can see under heavy stress,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: under anxiety. And imagine, what gets you more stressed out
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: than being in the woods at night? The woods at
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: night creates a lot of anxiety for people because there's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: all these sounds and you're looking around. It's dark. You're vulnerable,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: especially if you live in real woods, like woods that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: have predators in them. It's sketchy. And I bet there's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: different states of mind that you would– if there are–
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: If there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a way that an intelligent creature can get to a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: point where it has the technology to access other dimensions,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: it can go into other spaces. Would you even be
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: able to see it all the time? Would you only
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: be able to see it if you were like under
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: a highly anxious state in the woods? You're kind of
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a little freaked out. You're more open to weird things.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And then it senses that. and communicates with you? Well,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we are... Sounds kooky.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: We're dominated by our perception. And we have such a
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: narrow bandwidth of visual perception. You know, you get up
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: the whole light spectrum and look at visible light, just
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: this tiny corridor of visible light that we're able to see. Obviously,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: we've developed IR and, you know, different... And if you
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: film the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: And I think that it is a perceptual thing because...
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: The reason I even started my YouTube channel is because
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I've had my own experiences with UFO-type phenomena that were
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: entirely initiated by me. Like, I asked for them to come,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: and they did.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: See, that sounds kooky. I'll take that clip, and I'll
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: dismiss you immediately. This guy's a quack. But this is
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: one of the things that people have been saying for
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a long time, is that there's actual groups of people,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and there was even some guy who was like, Somehow
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: or another connected to the government that was saying that
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: they lead these people out. They go out into the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: desert and they have like some sort of a secret frequency.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to discuss it, that they can push out.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: They can send out the secret frequency and it'll call
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: them in and that other people have done it simply
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: by willing them in.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: That's what I did.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So sitting there and putting out this message that you're
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: trying to communicate with them and then eventually they show up. Yeah.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all that
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But do you want to hear my
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: UFO story?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: First of all, did you come up with this idea
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: on your own or did you hear about people doing this?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: No, I heard of it from someone who's a quite
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: polarizing figure in the UFO community. I know you've spoken
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: to him, Dr. Stephen Greer.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Polarizing people are right sometimes.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: He's right on this.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could be right on a lot of things.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: He's right on this.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I know that a lot of people have issues with Greer,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: but he was actually my intro into the UFO subject.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: So I'll tell you the story. Sorry about my throat.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Let me just take a sip of water, actually. So
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: this was.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: How did he find out about it?
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. He had a near-death experience, I believe,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: and from that was actually apparently communicated to and shown
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: things that when he came out of that experience, he
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: became a Samadhi-type, you know, teacher and, you know, profoundly interesting.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: That's a great origin story.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Brilliant origin story. Um, my origin story was I was
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: really bored during COVID.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: So like, honestly though, um, it was actually in 2019
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: that I had these experiences and I do think that
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people will recognize this
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: as well. And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: being in a high stress environment in the forest, maybe
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: that changes your perception. And I think that there's a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: degree of trauma and a degree of intense emotional moments
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: that can bring about paranormal experiences. I don't know why,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: but it does seem to be something that a lot
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: of people relate to. Yes, I was in a very
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: dark time. Yes, I was having a very traumatic time.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Or yes, I was going through something. And then this happened.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And so for me, I was in my third year
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: of university and struggling. Just had a whole mix of
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: personal issues going on. So I ended up kind of
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: dropping out. before I finished and was just in a
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: really bad rut. And my dad was worried about me.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And he said, look, I'm out in, this is a
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: bit of a long story, but it's important to lay
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: this foundation, I think, before I talk about what I
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: actually experienced, because it plays in. My dad was worried.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: He was out in France at the time. And he said, look,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: do you want to come out and stay at this
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: place with me and just, you know, kind of relax
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: and bring yourself back to normal?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, okay.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: So I came out and he was like, I've got
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: these books that I've been reading. I think they'd be
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: really beneficial for you. Um, you should read them. And
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, like, you know, I don't see
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: how a book's going to change.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Does he often recommend books?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Not massively.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: In fact, no, no. This was the only time he
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: recommended books, which is interesting. Um, and they were a
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: series of books called conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of them?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: No. Okay.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: So it's interesting. It kind of ties into, I suppose,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: the channeled works, things that people believe they receive.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait a minute. I have heard of this.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: He's quite well known. He's quite well known. Um, He
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: but was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and then apparently woke up at 3 o'clock in the
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: morning and was having voices literally telling him to write
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: things down. So he wrote all of this down, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: this became Conversations with God. It's literally a dialogue of
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: him asking questions and him receiving answers, which he interpreted
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: as from God. Now, that is intense, and I'm definitely
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: not here to say this is a Bible and everyone
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: should read it. However, it was incredibly impactful for me
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: at that time. The things that I was reading about,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud living figure
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that just never made sense to me. So it got
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: me in and I was reading it and it helped tremendously,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: weirdly enough, which I didn't expect. And that put me
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and science
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: and consciousness. And that's where it really started for me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: But then a couple of years down the line, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: found myself in another depression in a sense because I
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: different topics that I thought were like these big questions
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: and big answers and big esoteric things. And I just
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: got to a point where I was like, none of
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: this is actually helping me in my life. In fact,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I'm actually feeling like fucking worse for looking into all
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: of this thing. I don't know how this is going
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: to benefit me. So I was sitting on my bed
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: one night and I just, I guess you could call
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it a prayer. I just sat on my bed and
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: said out loud to the universe, like, I need something
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: that validates all of this. Like if I'm meant to
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: be looking into these big picture questions about the universe
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like I need
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: to know and I want evidence and I'm ready for it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: So give me it. I want that. And then a
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: week later, my best friend at the time, he was like, hey,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I was watching this documentary. You've got to check it out.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: It's called Unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Stephen Greer.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: And this is my first introduction to the UFO subject.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: So I was like, OK, cool. Sit down and watch that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: very good documentary, all of these different high-level officers and
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: missile launch guys talking about UFOs.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: It got me in.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: And then near the end of that is when he
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: brings up this concept of CE5, initiating contact with these.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: You can actually have your own experiences by getting into
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: a particular meditative state. If I hadn't been making that
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: request on my bed the week prior, I probably just
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: would have watched that documentary and gone about my life.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: But it felt Like a very strong message to me
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: personally because I've been asking for something to validate these
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: ideas around consciousness. Now there's a guy saying, yeah, you
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: can actually have an experience by going out and attempting
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: to ask for one.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So talk me through the process of actually doing that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Did you get it on the first try?
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: How many times did you try?
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: It was a weird gradual thing where things were happening
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: in the sky that were enough to keep me going out,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: but not enough for me to be like, okay, this
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: is legit.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: So like how many times did you go out before
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: it worked?
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Before I saw what I really, really saw, probably about
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: a month of going out.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Damn, that's commitment.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: But I was seeing things, but they weren't, it was
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: kind of just enough to make me like, okay.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: What were you seeing?
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Lots of what the contact community call flashbulbs, flashes of
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: light in the night sky in a void of space
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: repeatedly without any discernible object attached to it. Just one
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: flash and then send a thought, another flash, send a thought,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: another flash. And this happened multiple times. I've been someone
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: who watches the night sky all my life. I'm used
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: to seeing satellites. How long would you sit up there for?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe an hour, two hours.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And so you sit down. Are you seated there?
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: No, I'd usually be standing with my neck craned to
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: the sky, but I would be.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Why don't you get a lounge chair? I don't know.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think about things properly sometimes
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: when I do just.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Lay down on the ground just lay on the grass
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you get a better view of the sky yeah but.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: It's cold in england and it was mildewy on the
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: floor it's not get a tarp yeah yeah but but
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: i was um i was essentially because of again being
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: asking asking the universe for something the universe seemed to
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: be giving me some sort of response it kind of
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: lit a fire up under me and i started going
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: outside And honestly, a lot of people, like even Greer,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: has this incredibly complicated method using samadhi and doing various things.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't do any of that. I just breathed in
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: through the nose and out through the mouth until I
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: felt very calm and then began to very clearly model
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: my thoughts around the concept of I want something to
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: respond to me. And then I would essentially visualize that
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: that was emanating from me, that these thoughts were emanating
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: from me. And it didn't take very long before I'd
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: have flashes of light in the sky that just seemed
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: weird because I've never seen anything like that. Or an
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: just at an incredibly high level, which is like, what's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: going on here? And it just felt like a kind
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: of step-by-step progression until in August of 2019, I had
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: four incredibly vivid and real experiences with orange orbs of light.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Really profound.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: What was that? What happened?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: So I was outside at this point, it become my routine.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: It was in the summer of August and it was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: relatively warm. So I was out doing this quite a lot,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky, trying to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing. And, um,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: I was standing at the back of my garden, looking
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: towards my house, night sky, crystal clear. And, uh, I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: saw at the beginning, a flash of light in the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: corner of the sky. So I looked over and I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: saw this flash, another flash. another flash, and it was
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: just blinking, but it was static in space. And then
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: it started moving down. Every time it blinked, it would
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: move further down. And I was observing this. And then
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: it settled above two stars and kind of created the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: apex of a triangle. And it was just flashing above
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: these two stars. And I was watching this for a while.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: And it happened for long enough where I just decided,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm just, thank you, whatever you are. I'm
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: just going to keep panning around the sky here and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: looking around. And as I Pan my head, I saw
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: that there was a cloud, but I didn't really look
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: at it. And I turn around here, come back, and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I see this cloud again. And this time I really
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: look at it. And this cloud, Joe, had, so strange,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: it's like a dark cloud. But when you stared at it,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: it had a staticky appearance. It's very hard to describe
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: other than imagine a light overlay of TV static. There
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: was particles. It was agitated. It was shimmering. Not a cloud.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Certainly not anything I've ever seen in my life. And
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: if we pretend this microphone is my house and this
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: cloud is here, it's drifting this way. So eventually it's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: going to drift past my house and go this way,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: at least according to its natural trajectory. It gets to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: my house and it does a right angle turn and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: it starts coming towards me. So eventually it's going to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: be above my head. This cloud-like formation.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Abruptly. as in 90 degrees, it's going like this, and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: now it's going like this towards you. High up in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: the sky, but it's now in my path, complete 90
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: degree shift from its trajectory. And I saw it, like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: a jarring, now it's going this way. Okay, so at
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: this point, I'm rooted in place. I'm not really scared,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: but I'm shocked at the fact that this thing did
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: what it just did. And I'm watching as it's coming
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: closer and closer towards where I'm going to be. Eventually,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: it's directly above my head, It sounds so crazy. And,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: you know, Terence McKenna said something like this. He was like,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth about a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: UFO experience, you'll be taken for a fool. It's like
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: it's true. You know, if you just tell people what
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: really happened. But this is what really happened. So this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: cloud comes above my head. As it's directly above my head,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: this cloud like sucked into itself as if there was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: a central vacuum, a central point where it just got
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: sucked into itself. And it revealed a triangle formation of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: about 25 maybe 30 orange orbs of light in a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: triangle and this triangle basically the cloud went triangle was
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: revealed it kept moving i had to turn around and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: watch as it went off in this direction and as
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: i was watching it i could see that some of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: these orbs were actually swapping formation swapping position in this
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: formation And that was the first time I saw them.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: I saw them on three other occasions, all within the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: space of a month after this. Weirdly enough, I woke
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: up the next day and this is the only element
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: of the story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: it's the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable. I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: was getting out of the shower and as I was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: drying myself off, immediately, immediately noticed where this tattoo is now.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: There was a triangle mark of three red marks, one here,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: one here, one here. very vivid.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And you covered it up with a tattoo?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Well, it faded. Did you take any pictures of it?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I have taken pictures of it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it clear? Yes. Can I see it?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: I can try and find them, yeah. I haven't got
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: my internet on right now. Jamie, if you go onto
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: my ex account and just type in Jay Anderson marks
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: on arm, Maybe that will come up. I'm sorry. I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: should have really said that ahead of time, but I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: do have images online. People have seen them and I've
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: discussed it many times.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Did it look like a wound?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: This is the thing. So three red marks, no bump,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: no scab, no itching, no feeling of discomfort. There was
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: a slight shine to them as if it was almost
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: like a healed over burn. And this was very vivid.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: It didn't dissipate for over a year. It was on
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: my arm for about a year before it faded away,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: eventually faded away. And then I got home. His Trismegistus
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: tattooed on my arm. But weirdly enough, I got this
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: tattoo and then got invited to Egypt. But yeah, I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: had these experiences. I had another experience where they came
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: down and hovered above my house.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked you this. So these orbs. Yeah, there
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: you go. There you go. Thanks, Jamie.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks for that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: It looks like you burned three cigarettes on your arm.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: That's what some asshole online definitely claimed, but I didn't.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I would say, too, if I was
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: an asshole online.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: But that's crazy.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed it immediately.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Very weird.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not particularly comfortable with it. I don't know what
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: it really means.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I really....
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: I'm a bit of an idiot, Joe, because I should
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: have gone to a dermatologist. I should have actually had
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: someone look at it.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: You got branded like cattle, son. Well, that's kind of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: what I think. And at the same time, can I even.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Be mad at them? I was like, show me, show me,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: give me evidence. I want a sign. Fuck it, fine then.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: There you go, dude.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I would say whatever that is on your arm, who knows?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe a dermatologist could explain it. It's just a coincidence.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: But The actual thing itself is far more interesting to me.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Because one of the things that people always say is
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: if they were out there, what wouldn't we see them? Like, God,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: if they could come here from another dimension or if
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: they can come here from another planet or another solar system,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: don't you think they could probably hide? Like, we're pretty
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: good at hiding. Like, don't you think, like, we have
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: technology right now, like the stealth bomber stuff, that diminishes
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the radar signal. Exactly. You can't. You can't pick them
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: up on radar. So why would it be impossible to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: somehow or another manipulate your visual field, project what looks
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: like clouds on the outside? We know that we can
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: do stuff like that with plasma. They have these plasma
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: things that can spin in the sky.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: It's weird. They can make objects out of them.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that was plasma. I actually do wonder
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: if this was a form of self-organizing plasma. Because that's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: definitely something that people have looked into quite extensively.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe plasma has intelligence. Yes. There's some, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, and perhaps these are a form of individuated plasmic
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: intelligences that can interact. And one thing that's very interesting
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: about that, there was a brilliant paper actually, I did
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: a video on it. It's like 11 different scientific institutes
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: looking at the idea of self-organizing plasma and intelligent plasma
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: and they were using some references like do you know
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: the STS-75 NASA missions where the tether broke and you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: had all these strange things going around the tether?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: where someone actually attached the flight paths of each object
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: so you can see the flight path? No. That's crazy because.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Can we see it?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure if Jamie looks up... That is a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: weird one because it seems like.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Lights are going towards that thing and checking it out.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a gigantic tether. I think it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: like two kilometers long or something. It's absolutely insane. It
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: broke away from the ship. And as it broke away,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: you had these, well, what some people believe to be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: UFOs or plasmic intelligences. Or if you're on the mainstream side,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: you'd say these are ice particles. There you go. If
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: you go slightly further back, slightly further back, there you go.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Just as that green one starting up, this is the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: flight path. So if you just take it back to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: the beginning of that and this is where they've attached
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: the flight paths and you will see complete 90 degree turns.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change. And it's incredible.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just a kind of life that we.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I truly think that's the case.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Don't assume it exists and it just lives in space.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I think so. I really do.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Like, the things they find at these volcanic vents at
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean, they're like, oh, we didn't...
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: even know that something could survive down here. Right. There
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: could be a type of life that survives in the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: void of space. And it just, it wouldn't be a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: biological thing. It would be some form of energy or life.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Well, this is apparently what. All the spooks were telling
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Tom DeLonge when he went to the Pentagon that there's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: amoebas in space the size of whales and that these
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: things were essentially– That's what they told him?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: I remember when he was on Fade to Black and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: he was talking about there are these amoebas in space
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: that are like– But.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Why would they tell him and then he goes on
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: those shows and tells– I feel like that's the type
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: of guy that you tell some things that you want
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: to get out. Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily have to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: be true. No. No. Matter of fact, it's more fun
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: if it's not true. And make him say as much
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: kooky shit as possible so that the stuff that he's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: going to say that's true looks ridiculous.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: And now all of those guys that gave him that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: information are on the Age of Disclosure documentary.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: We should trust them, right?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: We should trust all of these government spooks.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's fun. If you're playing, it's like the world is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: a gigantic escape room.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: You're playing a bunch of weird puzzles and you're trying
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to figure it out, but... Nothing is what it seems.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Nothing's as it seems. I think with Tom DeLonge and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: the UFO subject and Tudor Stars Academy and all the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: things that have happened since like 2017, New York Times,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I have opinions on it because I think I might
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: be the first guest that you've had on that wasn't
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: already quite established. So I've had to work my way
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: up through social media, through the interactions in the community,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: to personal relations with people that aren't big names or
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: anything like that. You know, I've had to work my
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: way up it. So I've seen and been exposed to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: things that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbell and others who
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: are already quite big names haven't seen because they're too big.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: They don't need to be on social media looking at
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: fucking comments or like, you know, what's going on in
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: the X space. But if you are like that, you
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: start to notice things. And so what's interesting to me,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: despite what anyone wants to say about Stephen Greer, and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer. What's interesting
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: to me is that the only person really who was
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: making noise prior to TTSA was Stephen Greer. He was
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries that were
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: getting seen by millions of people all over the world.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: And he was saying, you know, these are black budget
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: illegal programs. This is a anti-congressional crime against humanity. We
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: need to be busting down the doors. This is not
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: exactly what they would want to hear if they were
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: inside the national security state. And there's this guy out
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: there saying this. What do you do about that? Well,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Do you know how Tom DeLonge got linked up at
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: the very beginning to.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: All of this? No.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: So he's always been a UFO guy. And because of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: his background and the money, he was able to secure connections.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: And he was very friendly with Greer. He was best
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: buds with Greer at one point. In fact, there's a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: video of him when he's quite young. And he's pointing
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: out all of the UFO witness tapes that he's got
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: in his library. And he's like, you know, these are all.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I'm holding onto these for a guy. He's got like
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: 50 whistleblowers. He's bringing this all out. And this is
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: before Greer, you know, kind of made the announcement. So
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: it's obviously Greer. And, um, Tom DeLonge is on Fade
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: to Black and I want to say 2015 talking about this,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: where he tells a story of how a friend of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: his at Lockheed Martin calls him up and says, Hey,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: we're having a family and friends meet and greet over,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: over at Lockheed Martin. Would you want to introduce the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: bosses to the stage? And he said, yeah, but I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards. And they were like, okay.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: And so he went and he introduced them on stage.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: And then he tells a story of being taken through,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: you know, these white noise corridors and down into this
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: place where eventually he was chilling with the guys at
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: skunk works. And, you know, these big directors are all
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: sitting in this room.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: What is it you want to talk about? This is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: where he pitches to the stars Academy of arts and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: science and this framework. And what's interesting is on the radio,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: when he's talking about this, he's saying. You have to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: approach these guys like you want to be of service.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I was saying I'm being of service. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: want to help. I want to help. So you've got
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: a disruptive rogue person out there, Stephen Greer, saying all
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: this stuff, causing commotion. What do we do about that?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Suddenly, in walks a rock star.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Use me.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Because that's basically what he said. Use me. I'm happy
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: to do whatever it was. I am your conduit into
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: the public. Now, no disrespect to Tom. I've met him.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: He's a lovely guy and he's very passionate about the subject.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: But I do think he was used. And what you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: get from there is the Tudor Styles Academy platform. Suddenly
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: you have this official kind of green-lit disclosure, very soft
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: disclosure that's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure. And we're all
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: being encouraged to partake in support in this very, what
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: should we say, curated method of soft disclosure for the people.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: I think that they were very worried about what type
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: of disruptive truths might come out before it was time
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: to talk about them. And then suddenly Tom DeLonge was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: a very useful medium for communicating this. And when you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: see things like the WikiLeaks emails between him and John Podesta,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: where he's literally saying this is about bolstering PR for
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: the military industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth and the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: generations of youth today don't trust the government. We want
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: to change that. We want to change the perception of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: the military and the government. He's literally emailing John Podesta
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: about this. So it's very clear that at the very
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: least he was willing to be the messenger of whatever
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: message they wanted to give him. And it just so
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: happens that that message completely counteracts what Greer is talking
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: about in terms of classified black budget programs that have
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: already cracked reverse engineering. We cracked anti-gravity in October 1954,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: you know, this kind of stuff. It's like complete reversal
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: of that narrative.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Well, it makes sense. What's the term?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Useful idiot?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Useful idiot.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they love doing that. Yeah. You know. I've said
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it before. I'll say it again. I know I've had
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: people on this podcast that are doing that with me.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: And I know they were coming on saying a bunch
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: of nonsense. But you have to let them talk because
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the truth comes out in the wash.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting about the age of disclosure
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: is this narrative of the reality of what happened. If
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: it did happen, there's lying to Congress. There's misappropriation of funds.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: You're going to need amnesty. And so this is the narrative.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: This narrative is we need amnesty. It's kind of a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: smart way to do it, right? Do it in a documentary.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Have all these people that are probably implicated in some
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: way say we need amnesty. All these people that say
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: that they know about these programs. Amnesty is important because.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: But what they've been doing really, if they have been
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: doing what we assume they've been doing. We assume they've
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: retrieved crashed UFOs and they've back-engineered them. We assume they've
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: used that technology. We assume they're aware that there's non-human
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: intelligences that are far beyond our technological capabilities and that
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: we interact with them. You've committed a crime against humanity
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: by not telling people that because we all operate under
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: the assumption that we have an understanding of what our
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: role is. in this ecosystem of life. And if our
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: role is not even remotely at the apex, if we
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: are being visited and manipulated, and if we're actually a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: product of experiments, you should fucking tell us. You guys
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: can't be hanging out at Raytheon in the fucking conference room.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Can you believe this shit?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? With your gold Rolexes on.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: You motherfuckers. Right, right?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: But we can't handle the truth, right?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: We can't handle it. They are right with the amnesty thing.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's the pathway. These guys are not going to...
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: What they stole, they stole. What they did, they did.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: The lying to Congress, the lies have been told. Let's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: fucking find out what the truth is. These guys, whatever
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: they did, they did. You didn't stop it then. Let
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: it go. The more important thing is, let's find out
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: if this is real. That's more important than everything. For
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: the race, for the human race, the entire human race,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: And the science and technology to have all this stuff
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: locked down like that and not allow the great young
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: minds that are coming up right now to have access
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to this is crazy. You're wasting one of the most
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: valuable resources that we have with secrecy.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I think there's so many different reasons why they might
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: want to keep this a secret in terms of breakthrough
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: energy and propulsion systems. There's so many different implications to that.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Massively disruptive.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Massively disruptive. And could you imagine some whacked out fucking
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: dude with a zero point energy device?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Or you imagine some guy who's running an oil company
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: who finds out that they're about to do something like that. Like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: the fuck you are. How about this guy at MIT
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that just got assassinated in his home? Oh, dude.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: The wet works in the corporate world is very real.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: This is very real. This guy was– one of the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: more disturbing theories he had was that not only is
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: the shift of the magnetic poles that– here, I'll send
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: it to you, Jamie. But his take on it was
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that the shift of the magnetic poles is necessary in
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: order to maintain– I don't want to fuck it up.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Well, like a natural earth cycle that has to happen.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm trying to think and look it up
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: at the same time. No, you're good. Here it is.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I'll send it to you, Jamie. Sorry for the dead air, folks.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: So it says, the assassinated MIT plasma scientists warned that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: earth requires periodic magnetic reversals to sustain its field.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Reversal equals no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates. The
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: last time this happened, in the tweet it says, Noah's flood.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, Sunweather Man. Oh, I know both these guys.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: This guy who has this.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Google Whistleblower, yeah.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Is that not loading? The clip?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Plasma Physics 101 Fluid Description.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: It seems like the clip's not... Okay, let's hear what
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: he has to say. It's really interesting shit, man.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: You mentioned that the Earth's magnetic field was constant in
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: the last billion years. So, yeah. Is it right that
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: the Earth has lost 10% of its magnetic field in
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: the last 150 years, and how come?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: So, excellent question, Alec.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: So, when I say that the Earth's magnetic field has
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: remained roughly constant, what I mean is, if you look
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: over longish timescales, its magnitude is roughly constant. Of course,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: it varies, right? And it reverses sometimes, right? And those
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: reversals of the Earth's magnetic field. So, you know, reversal
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: meaning the North Pole becomes the South Pole and vice versa.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: So those happen. And there's even interesting stories you can
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: tell about how those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: correlate with many ice ages and things like this. But
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: the idea is that if you average over these periodic reversals, right,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: or fluctuations, the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: And the idea is that if there was no induction,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: if there was no dynamo working, you and I wouldn't
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: be talking. The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: within 10 to the 5 years. The Earth would be
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: left without a magnetic field, and the Earth's magnetic field
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: protected from cosmic radiation. And if you were open to
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: that radiation, well, you wouldn't be here, like I said,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: nor would I.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Wild. And they just put bullets into that dude. Well,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, it could, listen, it could have
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: been a robbery. We don't know. I mean, Massachusetts has
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of robberies.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: They've got a lot of, it's one of them East
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: coast liberal run cities. It's got a crime problem.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: Completely fucked.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure, you know, as a MIT professor, he's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: probably lived nice.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's possible.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: It's possible, but it also is possible that somebody killed him.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: And imagine if they killed him because he's telling us, Hey,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Earth's about to reverse its magnetic poles and we might
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: be fucked. A cataclysm might be coming.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Well, this is what I think there was a knowledge
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: of in deep antiquity. There was a knowledge of cycles,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: of Earth cycles, and they were preparing for it. You know,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: why are these structures built in a way that's anti-seismic,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: that's resistant to incredible force?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: You know, the amount of.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Saxo-Huaman.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: Saxo-Huaman's such a good example of that. It's really an
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: incredible example. I mean, the level of ingenuity and also
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: the fact that they're finding that these walls go way deeper, right?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Because not just the excavation where they're going deep down
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: and finding new blocks of stone, but just the walls.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: There's key excavations going on around the walls. They just
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: keep going now. So it's like this place was buried.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe a lot of earth push up and submerged into
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: the ground. Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: is that prior to the, well, at the end of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: the last glacial maximum, around 19,000 years ago, when the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Earth started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: stable corridors. And Peru was one of those areas which
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: was actually quite climatologically stable. So at the end of
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: the LGM, the last glacial maximum, to the Younger Dryas,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: it's about 6,000 plus, 6,000 and change. Now, we've taken
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers in less than
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: 150 years. So the idea that areas of the world
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: that had stability for about 6,000 years couldn't create something incredible,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: and then the Younger Dryas comes, and it takes it
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: all away for the most part. It's very provocative in
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Peru because of, again, the existence of the Inca structures
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: that are very, quite pristine, actually, and still standing, very simple,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: and yet they are surrounded by broken megaliths and you know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: multi-ton structures that have gone through incredible damage.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: And what I was getting at when I was saying
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: about that area is the way the stones are interlocked
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: would protect it against earthquakes.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dissipate the force through all of these different areas.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: It allows for the force, for the kinetic force to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: dissipate through the structure instead of it being focused and
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: blowing apart one area of it. So it's clearly done
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: for the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of force.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Where would they get that type of a concept from?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: It makes me wonder if they did have a knowledge
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: of great cycles. Like the Adam and Eve story. You
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: know that whole thing that was classified by the CIA
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: for a minute? The Adam and Eve story?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: It was classified by the CIA?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: It was listed on their Freedom of Information Library.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, right. What was that again?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: It was a deep research into cycles, great cycles of
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: cataclysmic destruction on Earth by a guy called... His name
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: was Chan Thomas, but I think that was a pseudonym
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: for a fake, not real name. And he actually had
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of it, like.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: A series of people he had listed who, without whom
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: this book would not be possible. And it was like,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: you know, top five star generals and like, it's like, okay. So,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: you know, this, uh, this guy had the, you know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story. It's all about
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: this great cyclical, uh, cataclysm that does take place every,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: what was it like, uh, 12,000 years or something like that.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: And that the ancients had a knowledge of this. And
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: I think that this is something that we will probably
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: begin to realize is that somewhere in deep antiquity, there
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: was a level of knowledge that is very contradictory to
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: what we understand now. And I think places like Peru,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: places like Egypt and others, Malta, Gobekli Tepe, of course,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: it's becoming very palpable that there was something before this.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: those warming periods, is there a uniform time in between
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: those spikes?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: In terms of?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Is it like predictable? I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a little funky?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: I imagine it's probably not like clockwork.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Lasts for about 12,000 years, comes back. Right. Probably not.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: But this is, again, this is one of the things
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: that people in the conspiracy world would say they're keeping
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: from us. They're keeping this knowledge. Yes, there are 12,000
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: year cycles and we are just not being allowed to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: know that knowledge. But I don't know.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: That seems weird. I don't know. Well, they have models
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: of the past. Exactly. You know, from core samples and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: things along those lines. Yeah. we do know that it's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: never static and we do know that there have been
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: these periods and they do look like, like, you know,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: a strange graph. It's not a flat line. Like it's all,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: it's all getting warmer. No, it's, it's always crazy. So
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like what is causing these dips and these rises and these,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic. You know
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? It's not like there's an immense time
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: of heating and then a small time of cooling. And then, uh, no, it's, it's,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Up and down and up and down.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: You know, you look at the planet as some form
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: of conscious entity. It's certainly capable of producing conscious beings
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: on top of it. So I wonder about that and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: the mycelial network and these kind of elements to the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Well, even if you could look from afar, if you
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: could like have the concept of the earth, like the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: water's moving, the clouds are moving.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's like a live thing almost. Yeah. Obviously,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: that there's not a force that's all connected and working
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: in harmony. Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: interesting because it's this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: could in some way create consciousness inside of it. And
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: we don't understand where consciousness comes from. We still don't.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: So it's very open to the idea of possibility. And
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists scientists like Dr.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: Salvatore Pais. He's the guy that was responsible for the UFO,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: US Navy UFO patents that got put out a few
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: years back, like underwater, undersea, plasmic generators and things like this.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: He was a US Space Force engineer, and he is
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own. But 99%
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: of the observable universe is made out of plasma.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: 99%, okay?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: that's 99% of the universe? Why aren't we taught about
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: that in school?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: That's weird. Weird, right?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: When did they start learning that?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly before
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: my time in school. I didn't get taught it.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So why would they... Are you...
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I think that there's things within plasma physics that are
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: so novel and exotic, like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: and the science that they're studying. Have you ever heard
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: of the SAFIRE project? No. It's kind of gone quiet now.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Hal Puthoff got involved with it for a minute, where
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: they're claiming to bottle the stars, and they're creating these
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: transform metals from one metal into gold or transmutation of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: elements and complete revolution of propulsion and energy. Then it
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: just fizzles out.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I always wondered about that. Why were people really trying
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: to make gold? That seems so crazy that you think
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: you could make something like that. And I always wonder,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: did maybe somebody used to make it and they have
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: like this story of how people used to make gold?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Like if there was, like imagine... The caps of the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Great Pyramids are in gold, right? What if they made
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: that gold? Right. Right? What if they had gotten to–
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: it's not impossible to assume– like if the earth creates gold,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: it's not impossible to think that we could take the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: elements of the earth and create gold as well. There's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: got to be a way to do it.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: There's got to be a way to do it.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to create gold currently? I don't know.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Let's put that into our sponsor. How do you make gold?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, let me show you what I asked first. The
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: alchemy history of gold automatically brought up ancient Egypt metallurgy,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: blending four classical elements.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: So there is some sort of process.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Earth, air, fire, and water, and you make gold?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: It spread to Greco and Roman texts via the Islamic
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: world in the 8th century.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Where they made.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Experimental methods, sulfuric, I mean, gold plating is maybe what
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: they're getting at.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's... Unless they were trying to
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: create gold.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of alchemy is also kind of personal alchemy,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: alchemy of the soul. And so it's not always necessarily
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: meant as a physical thing, turning base metals into gold.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: It's more about turning you, base human, into a golden person.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of the times in alchemy, it's more
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: about the personal... development of your spirit and your soul
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: mixed together with science.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: They're clearly talking about metallurgy here.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean like right here.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: But I mean if gold was a valuable part of technology,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: which it is, and it had conducting aspects to it,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: it's very conducive or it's very good at conducting. Highly conductive, yeah.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: And you can make it. Modern methods. Particle accelerators like
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: CERN's Large Hadron Collider achieve this by slamming Lead nuclei
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: together in near-miss collisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields that eject
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: three protons from the lead, 82 protons, to form gold,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: 79 protons. Wow. The ALICE experiment detected up to 89,000
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: gold nuclei per second during lead lead runs. totaling, or
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: lead-led runs, I'm not sure which one, totaling 29 picograms
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: over years, trillions of times less than needed for visible amounts. Whoa,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Trillions of times less than needed for visual amounts.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Early 1980, Glenn Seberg transmuted bismuth into gold isotope using
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: carbon and neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley Lab.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe they used the pyramids for lightning strikes to create
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: gold with iron ore streams, and next thing you know,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: you get gold.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: That's why they had so much gold.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows? Who knows what they figured out?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: But we should be able to ask these questions and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: not be completely dismissed.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly fascinating. It's certainly fascinating that people have
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: been obsessed with the possibility of making gold. Obviously, it's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: because gold is rare and very valuable. But here's the question.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Why is gold very valuable? You can't make a weapon
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: out of it. How did it rise to prominence?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Isn't there like some like translations that are, you know,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: from like the old Sumerian Babylonian texts, where it's kind
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: of like we were made to mine gold.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: For these beings. That's all Zachariah Sitchin stuff. It's like
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Zachariah Sitchin, right? Zachariah Sitchin though is very controversial. I'm
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: too stupid to know who's right. But I do know
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: that I always, when I talk about Zachariah, I always
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: talk about the website, Sitchiniswrong.com. So there's a website where
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: it seems like he was the only one that was
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: buying into that. And, you know, when I talked to
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Wes Huff, He doesn't even think that Zechariah Sitchin could
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: actually read Sumerian.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Just fucking guessing.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it might be, you know, I don't want to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: disparage the great man because he's not with us anymore.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: But he might not have been totally honest or he
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: might have been convinced. You know, some people just become
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: true believers. Yeah.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: No, for sure.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: What he's saying essentially is that he tried to learn
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: Sumerian and Wes knows many different ancient languages. Like he's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant guy. He's like, I couldn't figure it out.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't do it. Now, obviously,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: there have been translations of Sumerian. There are people that
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: can do it. It's incredibly difficult. And it's also apparently
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: not related to any other languages because it's so ancient.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: It's weird. And then the cuneiform and all that stuff.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, good luck. Right. Good luck figuring out what
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: they were saying.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: I know. I always wondered how you'd actually kind of
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: come to those positions on it.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: It is incredibly complex. And the only people that really
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: know are the people that are that deep into it
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: that they can read it as well. and they don't
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: seem to agree with him. But at the end of
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: the day, whatever was going on over in that part
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: of the world, they had a lot of discussions of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: things that came from the sky. They had a detailed
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: map of the solar system, which is very weird. A 5,000-plus-year-old
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: detailed map of the solar system with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's that?
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. How are you achieving this?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: What are these giant people with monkeys on their laps?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: And like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a lion like it's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: a little cat.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: And loads of statues.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Why do all these dudes have wings?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: Very, very typically dismissed as kind of like, you know, oh,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: it was just a, you know, an intellectual giant or
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: a giant of power and regality. And it's like, okay,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of them. There's a lot of
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: references all across the world to these giants. So, you know,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: I find that very interesting and.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Then there's the reality of fossils. This is the reality
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: of fossils. There is a tiny, tiny amount of all
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: the things that die that leave a fossil. Most things
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: don't leave a fossil when they die. They get absorbed
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: by the earth, eaten by scavengers, bacteria. You rot away.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: The sun bleaches your bones, and it's over.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Within a few hundred years, there's nothing left. Occasionally, you
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: get lucky. and someone or a dinosaur falls into a bog,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and you get evidence. But if you don't get that evidence,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Exactly. The giant one
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: is a weird one.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: It is a weird one.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: It's a weird one because there's so many depictions in
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: ancient literature of giants, of giant beings. And you've got
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: to wonder, okay, are we talking about men from Iceland?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about giants that are just enormous human beings?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, big chads.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: But those dudes that do those strongman competitions, like the mountain.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Those guys all live in Iceland. They're all from Iceland. Right, right.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is that about? Exactly. Yeah, what is
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: that about? Vikings. Right. They were the Vikings. And that's
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: what's left. But is it that? Are we talking about that?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Or are we talking about another race of human that's
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: even larger? And if they found it, do they tell us? Like,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: they tell us about certain things. They tell us about Denisovans,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: similar to us. They tell us about Homo Juliens, similar
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: to us, just a little bit bigger. Have they found
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: a fucking four-foot skull? Do they tell us?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: There's like snippets, isn't there, from the black and white days, 1920s,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: where the Smithsonian kind of very quickly covered things up.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: And like, this is very much the Smiths.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: They had giant bones, bones from a giant human.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there seems to be.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: And there's all these Native American stories about giant right-headed humans.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: And, you know, in the burial mounds, supposedly.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing is like, This is the real question. Would,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: if archaeologists stumbled upon a four-foot head and they were
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: under the guidance of the university, would they shut it down?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: That's such a good question.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Would they release it? I am fascinated by the fact
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: that I have to ask that question. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Because I would assume that if archaeologists found... Of course not, right?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Of course they would release it. We have found evidence
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: of a giant, like a giant human being, and this
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: might be one, the first one we find. It might
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: have been a whole race of them that existed 20,000
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Would they tell us?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Joe.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: That's what's weird is we don't know if they would
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: tell us.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they would tell us.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: They might not. The government might step in and say,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: you are not allowed.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is it might supersede just academic
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: circles and archaeology. It might get a little bit more serious.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: The implications of our ancient history and, you know, what
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: exactly was taking place. I am fascinated by some areas
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: that seem to have a level of kind of like
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: theologic reference to them. So, you know, the Book of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Enoch and the Watchers. And they descend down on Mount
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Hermon in Baalbek, right? So that's Baalbek, which is Baalbek,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: the lord of the Beka Valley, and Baal, the storm god,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: like the one that everyone, you know, talks about the
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: sacrifices to Baal.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: It's also the place that has these insane trillion stones.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: I was just about to mention them. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: The trilithons.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: The trilithons. 800 to 1,000 tons.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: 800 to 1,000 tons apiece.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: And they're not even laying on the ground.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: No, they've been lifted up. They've been lifted up quite significantly.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: And this is the thing, man. It's like, you know,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: somewhere like this. So you've got this weird story about
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: this is basically 30 miles away from there is Mount Hermon,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: where the watches apparently came down from the sky.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: And then you've got these impossible blocks in this. And
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: the quarry there as well. The quarry there, you have
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: like the Stone of the Pregnant Woman, which is like 1,250 tons.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: And there's another one there that's, like, 1,500 tons. Like,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: and they've just been documented in situ. But then, yeah,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: 300 meters up the road or less is the Temple
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: of Jupiter, which, again, mainstream academics will attribute to 1st
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: century Romans. But the 1st century Romans had, like, wooden
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: pulleys and, like, little wooden cranes. Like, this is insane.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: This is an 800 to 1,000 ton block, three of them,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: that were lifted up, I think it's, like, at least, like,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: 20 meters or something, you know? It's like, yeah.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: But, Jamie, can you please show us a photo of it?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I always love looking at these.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Especially if you can find one with the human beings.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: in it, like Corsetti, if he's, like, he took some
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: great ones. Yeah, this is a good one, Corsetti. Like,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: it's phenomenal how big these are.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: It freaks me out.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy to think that they, we believe, they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: used some sort of stone.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Tools or copper tools.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: It's fucking stupid, man, like, And pulleys? It's stupid. And
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: you got it out of the quarry how? Well, then. Yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: That's a brilliant place. That's Olient and Tambo in Peru.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Fantastic area, which I'll be showing in my next episode
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: of Ancient Technology.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: It's the Trillium Stones.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Trillithon.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Trillithon. I keep saying it wrong. The Trillithon Stones.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: The Trillithon Stones.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Baalbek. And one of the interesting things that Corsetti
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: was saying is like that's not even a place where
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: they take a lot of tourists to. No. So there
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: it is. So you see the person and then look
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: above how big those stones are.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: This is not sensible to attribute to first century Romans.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: No, go back to just the Lebanon ones. That's it.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: They are so big.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: That one. And then there's a good black and white one.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: We see with the yellow. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Two little dudes sitting on top of them.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, the smaller blocks on top, that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: is first century Romans. Absolutely. Without a doubt. There is
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: obvious evidence. Yeah, they built it on top of an ancient,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: ancient foundation. which they were not capable of doing.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Probably a landing pad.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: That's what so many people say that, you know, whenever
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: I post like any, it's like, here's a landing pad.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: For the spaceships. Landing pad for our ships.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: But what's crazy about that as well, just a real
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: quick aside, well, not even an aside, it's an addition
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: to that, is that, okay, so the mainstream attributes is
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: the first century Romans, but then the Romans liked to
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: brag about all the things they did. And third century
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: Romans bragged about Lateran obelisk that's now sitting in Rome
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: and the Lateran obelisk is about 350 to 400 tons.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: That's the heaviest recorded lift in Roman history. These are
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: 800 to a thousand tons. They never even mentioned them.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: So it's weird that we attribute it to Romans, but
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: it's because we, within our model for history, we can't not,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: if we're going to listen to academics, right? So you
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: have to then invoke fringe theories.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: I had Rep Luna on the podcast. Oh, yeah. And
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: she was the one who really got me to read
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: Dude, she's digging in.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: She's digging in.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: She's all in on the UFOs. I know she is.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they tell her.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, is she useful to them? You know, the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: whole thing is weird.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: It's hard to know.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: But when I started reading it– If that was included
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: in the Bible, if they had... Because it really was
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: rabbis that decided that it didn't jive with the Torah, right? Right, right, right.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: And so they said, no, no, no, this one's too crazy.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: If that was in the Bible, then that's what we
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: were taught.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: Things would be different.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Sunday church, the watchers came down. But meanwhile, that is
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: in the same area of Qumran written down as the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: book of Isaiah. So all these things that are included
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: in the Bible, that's... That's there. It's all in the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: same word. Why are we ignoring some of it? Like,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: that's really crazy. Why ignoring the stuff that seems the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: most kooky?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Again, I think that there's probably maybe disagreements because, I mean,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: you know, there's so much change for the biblical canon
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: from all of these different, you know, councils at the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Council of Nicaea, all these different censorings and changing of
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: the Bible. It's probably different. personal issue it could be
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: something as simple as just someone who personally did not
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: believe that it was like that's bullshit remove that that's
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: not real there's no way they were giants but i
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: love how at the beginning of the bible it's like
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: there were giants in those times and the times before
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: yeah anyway all over moving on never mentioned it again
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: like in any sort of real context other than like
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: you know david and goliath in a few situations but
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: no i i Really, I'm starting to wonder if there
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: was a giant race that was.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: On this planet, dude. I think there was.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: I really do.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: The Native American depictions alone.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: There's too much story, too many stories of enormous men
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: that they had to kill. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: And their history, their oral tradition goes so far back.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, imagine we're talking 10,000 people. Now that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: we know that human beings lived in North America 22,000
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: plus years ago. Right. So the... fossilized footprints that they
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: found in New Mexico. So that's 22,000 years. So imagine
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: if 22,000 years ago, these things were a real thing.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: How many of them have you found? You haven't found
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: any bones of humans from 22,000 years ago in North America,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: have you? No, right? So why? Exactly. Does the Smithsonian
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: have them, these motherfuckers? If they really do have a
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: giant down there, do you imagine?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: I think they probably do, Jeremy.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if there's a tomb that you have
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: to go into? It's like a vault. The guy cranks
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: open the vault.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: It's like the history version of Area 51.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: You see a fucking head the size of this table,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: That's what we're dealing with. That's what we're dealing with, yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got to kill him off. Maybe. Which
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: totally makes sense. Why would you let that motherfucker live?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: You've got a 10-foot tall, 12-foot tall.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 2,000-pound human that eats people.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: That is a problem. I wonder, you know, we always
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: get this because, like, the Watchers themselves are never described
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: as giant beings.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: I wonder where the giant came into the equation genetically.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Well, isn't it us compared to them?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Let's look at this.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were slight aliens, like alien greys or something. And,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Well, look at the description of the Nephilim, how they
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: destroyed everything. Yeah. Like, they created this thing that consumed everything,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: destroyed everything, including mankind. Mm-hmm. What does that sound like?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: It sounds like us.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: It sounds like us.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: It sounds like us.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: And also, you're saying mankind. Mankind, what are you saying?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Are you saying aliens? Who wrote this?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: What is mankind? For sure. What does that term mean?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: I bet you're not saying man. I bet you're probably
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: using an ancient language to describe whatever the dominant force
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: was at the time that's writing all this down. What
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: are we talking about? Yeah. What is these watchers? They
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: mated with humans? So what are they? And they created
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: something that destroyed everything? What? So, okay. What is that?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And doesn't that sound exactly
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: like humans? Like, what do we do? We fucking destroy everything.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: We destroy everything. We light things on fire. We suck
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: all the fish out of the ocean. We throw our
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: garbage in it. We are so destructive.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: And we're so consuming. We consume. You know? We're one
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: of the only animals that dies because we eat too much. Yeah. Right, right.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: We're one of the only animals. Yeah.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: And we're one of the only... We are the only...
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: example on this planet of the level of intelligence that
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: we have. I mean, it's just phenomenal. I mean, really
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: quite phenomenal when you consider all of the various avenues
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: of evolution that have been given the opportunity.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: We have a massive leap.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Phenomenal leap, but a leap that has to in some
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: way have been intervened with, in my opinion. I mean,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: it's such a quantum leap in our ability of cognition
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: and the brain size. I mean, I do find the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: stoned ape theory very interesting and the concept of using psychedelics,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: and I think there's a role to play in that
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: for sure. But I just think that when you have
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: such a novel trajectory change from every other creature, every
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: other animal on this planet, that tells me that there
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: is something fundamentally accelerated in humans. And whether that can
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: just be put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think that when you invoke, again, all
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: of these various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: was interfacing with us. And perhaps at one point, we
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: were interfacing with them. And there was a communication and
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: a relation that has since long degraded after cataclysmic outreaches.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: primitive man was the escape from the barbaric nature of
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: our roots. I don't think it's necessarily the development of
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: the human brain. I think it's probably a way to
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: use the human brain. with its primate background, but soften
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: the ego. And endorse a feeling of community. Promote a
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: feeling of community and love and the connectiveness that you
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: get from psychedelics. It will allow you to traverse the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: timelines between incredibly barbaric hunter-gatherers with stone-tipped tools to agrarian
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: societies where people are all living together and cooperating. It
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is the giant
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: leap to being a human in the first place. No.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: It's kooky. It is kooky. And it's in the Bible.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: At least it's in the book of Enoch. It's there.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: That's the crazy part about it is that they literally
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: describe what we're, and not just us, like many people
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: have theorized, like have we been a product, are we
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: a product of genetic manipulation? Are we a product of
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: accelerated evolution?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: Well, again, my own experiences, I just feel like, There
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: is quite obviously a vast intelligence spectrum out there, in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: my opinion. And I think it goes beyond our own
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: perception of space and time. And I think that there
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: are likely things that can come in from, you know,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: realms that we just don't really believe are real, like
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: the astral and, you know, even the realm of the
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: imagination is an interesting thing. What is this place inside
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: of our heads that we can instantaneously create anything we
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: want and all things, including everything on this table, once
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: came from inside someone's mind? Like we are excretors of
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: ideas into reality. We kind of render reality into something
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: that nothing else does. And I think that there is
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: a spark within us that speaks to what people would
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: call a divine spark, for sure. And maybe that is
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: a divine spark. Maybe it's a highly intelligent race that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: intervened and gave us that spark. But we are entirely different.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: And I do think that as we begin to get
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: deeper and deeper into kind of the physics of our
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: reality and our fundamental connection to it, we start realizing
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: that our physiology, our body is like an antenna. It's
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: like a technology. It's an instrument for picking up on
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: signals and perhaps even consciousness itself. I don't know if
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: you're familiar with microtubules and the orchestrated objective reduction theory
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: by Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: How many times do you bring that up to people
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: and they go, oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. Well, I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: hang out with some weird fucking people, but I just
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: thought it might have come up. I definitely have heard
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Duncan Trussell say to you, microtubules, man.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: Microtubules. No, so I did an interview with an anesthesiologist
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: called Stuart Hamroff, and him and Sir Roger Penrose developed
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: a model called the orchestrated objective reduction theory, or ORC-OR,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: looking at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures inside
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: our neurons. And I forget the exact metric, but it's
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: something ridiculous, like 10,000 microtubules per neuron. So it's just,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: you know, this incredible architecture of these tiny little helical
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: structures that apparently are so small that they interact with
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: quantum vibrations in fields. That's how fine and tiny they are.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: And the reason I bring this up is because I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: think that we're getting deeper now with things like the
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Orko-R theory into looking at the structures within humanity that
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: actually seem to be receiving nodes or receptive nodes for
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: energy that could then be translated into consciousness. The old
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: idea of, are we generating consciousness from our brain or
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: are we receiving consciousness and we're just a conduit for it?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: And I think the evidence is getting a little bit
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: more clearer that we're a conduit. And I just wonder
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: if that's, evolution naturally or if that's you know interaction
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: from these others that have come and meddled with our genealogy.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: i come back from peeing you do that let's yeah
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: we'll pause no worries all right.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Well jamie uh brought something up which is a really
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: interesting video that i took when i was out in
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: sakara in egypt again with jeffrey drum he was taking
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: me through and um yeah this is an awesome place
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: so just for context before we play it yeah take
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: it back to the This is inside the Pyramid of
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: Yunas in Saqqara. And this is deep down inside of it,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: inside what they call the burial chamber. Now, you see
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: all of these, you know, amazing Arabic artwork that's been quite,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: you know, relatively crudely scratched in. Now, you see that glow?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: That's actually calcite crystal, and that's limestone. Now, the entire
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: back of this chamber, like this wall, the back wall,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: the other wall, and the ceiling and the floor is
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: made out of a slab of calcite crystal. But what's
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: really interesting about this is that when you... take a
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: flashlight and you put it in a certain angle on
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: this wall something very interesting appears boom huh an otherwise
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: invisible etching of an individual you can see the navel
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: the belly button and the arms and this is completely
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: invisible until you get that flashlight now these have been
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: actually smoothed i'm gonna go promo for my uh for
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: my uh episode but These have actually been smoothed into
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: the calcite crystal itself, and then obviously these Aramaic writings
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: and pictographs have been scratched on afterwards, so clearly this
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: is the original artwork of this chamber, but it's not
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: perceptible without a very specific angle of light that creates
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: the shadows. And these are on the other side of
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: the wall as well. I think in this clip maybe
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: he doesn't show it, but very, very strange. Now this
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: entire pyramid is a acoustically profound i mean the the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: acoustics inside of this are unbelievable the amount of echo
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: that you get and the entire sakara site we went
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: around it and i mean my god it's a weird
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: site man you've got again just incredibly huge slabs of
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: rose quartz granite and there's one area that's like on
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: the other side of the pyramid not even near the
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: entrance which is just this huge portcullis made of granite
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: with interlocking pieces where clearly another piece of stone was
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: slid between them. But this is nowhere even connected to
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: the pyramid infrastructure, and they don't say anything about it.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: granite with drill holes in them. You can see the
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: striation marks going all the way through them. And his opinion, Jeffrey's,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: and I think there's merit to it because in Cairo Museum,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment, like jugs and
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: apothecary bottles that were recovered from Saqqara, including a little plate.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: There's like a little plaque. This wasn't included. This is
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: put into the actual exhibition, but it's tucked into the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: corner of Cairo Museum. You have to find it and
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: you have to really look for it. There's a little
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: plaque saying that the area of Saqqara was a laboratory.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: And again, like this completely contradicts all of the things
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: that they say about ancient Egypt, but it's in the
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Cairo Museum. It's literally written as the ancient laboratory of Saqqara.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, what's going on there? Why is
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: there a contradiction like that that's being acknowledged? And it's
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: truly just an incredible place with these shadow figures and
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: the acoustic resonance of the site. The rose granite.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: So why do you think that it was originally these
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: carvings were in the wall and then they wrote on
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: it afterwards?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just another case of a later
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: civilization coming across an incredibly amazing place and carving on it.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe they didn't even see these figures because you have
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: to have a very specific type of light to actually
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: be able to see them. You have to get it
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: at that angle.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: You can't detect by looking at it that there's some variation?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can see when you actually know what
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: you're looking.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: For, but basically... anything it's.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: Like really hard to perceive so maybe they didn't even
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: know that these things were down there when they went
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: there's another part of this when you're going through the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: chambers where it's rose granite rose granite and then plaster
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: where you've got hieroglyphics put on the top and you
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: can actually see the plaster is kind of bleeding off
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: into the rose granite so it feels like they found
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: it they slapped some hieroglyphs on it they you know
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: put their own veneration around it but it was not
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: an original structure of the Egyptians once again a place
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: that they found and settled around But it's just weird
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: that in the Cairo Museum you have this tiny little
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: shelf full of beakers and measuring jug type things. And
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: it says the lab complex of Saqqara. It just doesn't
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: make any sense in comparison to what they're trying to
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: tell us is the reality of this place. So that's weird.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: It's all weird.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: It's all weird.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: That's why the bottleneck of talking about this stuff is
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: so infuriating.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: This is the same place, by the way, we have
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: the Serapium, you know, the 80 ton boxes that are
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: precision marble top. The ones that Christopher Dunn went down
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: into and was like, these have been machined.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's pull up photo of those, please. They're strange.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, what, what do you think they were doing
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: with those things? Like what, what was the purpose?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, what's interesting is they were, um, so
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: these things are absolutely incredible. And there's a few questions
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: with this. One, if you go onto that image, zoom out,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: just go to that image on the right where you've
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: one here. So this is, you know, this is the
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: entrance into the Serapium or the Serapium, however you want
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: to pronounce it. It's a subterranean labyrinth and these corridors
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: are extremely small. There's actually a half finished, a half
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: finished one sitting in the middle of a corridor and
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: you can kind of really get a scope for the size,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: but these are 70 ton, 70 to 80 ton granite,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: sarcophagi uh they attribute it to the apis bulls they
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: say that there was a you know a cult around
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: this region that venerated the apis bulls and that these
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: were burial chambers for the apis bulls but you know
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: the you know what's funny about that is the only
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: the only thing they have to evidence this is no
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: no bones of bulls or anything like that what they
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: have is a single hieroglyph on one of these um
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: one of these boxes of a bull that's it they
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: have a hieroglyph with a bull on it And that's
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: why they attribute it to the Apis bulls, regardless of
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that these are precision carved 80 to 70
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: to 80 ton granite marble top smoothed boxes with even
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: more precision inside. They're even more precise on the inside,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: which is strange. You wouldn't necessarily need them to be
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: that precise if they're just funerary boxes. But the precision
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: is actually more impressive internally than it is externally.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: How long would it take to make one of those?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: My God, man. Here's the question. Make it, move it,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: put it in place. Make it, move it, put it
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: in place. That bull's long dead. Let it go. Let
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: it go, dude.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: That bull would have been dead for.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Years by the time you finished that thing. That's crazy.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: These things are nuts, man.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely nuts. And this is one of the big things
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: that Christopher Dunn saw and was just like, nah, nah.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: There's just no way.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Look at the people standing next to those stones.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: I've been inside one of these.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Someone moved it there and then put that other one
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: on top of it.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: When?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: Who?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: How? Yeah.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: And again, like, you know, to say that's not a
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: mystery is nuts.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: It is nuts.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: And also, if you go on that image where they're
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: shining a light and someone's leaning on it on like
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: the right hand side. Yeah, that one there. So many
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: of these, the boxes themselves are so precise, but the
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: actual writing is extremely crude. It's been scratched on. It's
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: basically just been scratched on. And a lot of them,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: it kind of feels like, as a lot of these
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: pharaohs did, they just went and slapped a cartouche on it.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: I own this.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: This is mine. And so, you know, the exterior work
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: contradicts the advancement of the actual box itself. It doesn't
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: make sense. There's only one in here that's actually got
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: 3D actual carved in. artwork and that one actually does
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: make sense but these ones are all chicken scratch it's
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: just been scratched on.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Of course which is what people do which is what
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: people do there's i mean a lot of history of
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: human beings doing that to ancient things.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah if you've got a third image actually that's an
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: interesting image because you've got these uh such low quality
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: that's a shame but you can actually see these dimples
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: where they've smoothed out the stone and what's weird about
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: this is that So if these were funerary boxes, you
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: would expect the external to be the most impressive because
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: that's what people are going to see, right? But instead,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: you actually have a lot of mouth on the boxes.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: And one of the theories about this, and this is
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: something that, there we go, it's a good example of this.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: One of the theories about this is one that Jeffrey
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: Drum brought up for me, is that whatever was going
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: on inside of these cases, the exterior had to have
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: absolutely zero critical imperfections. So any cracks, anything that was
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: problematic would have been dissolved out, smoothed away. And you
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: have this weird kind of dimpling on a lot of these.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: And somewhere you can actually see a crack where the
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: crack's been removed and it's been kind of smoothed out.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: And then inside, it's like 90 degree, just perfect. And
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: so it just kind of contradicts the idea of it
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: being for the, you know, a funerary purpose. You'd expect
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: the outside to be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: It's all kind of mal-shaped and as if they were
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: trying to remove any sort of cracks, anything that could
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: cause a structural problem, and then inside they're perfect. So
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: it does make me wonder about the real purpose behind these.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: Why are you assuming that it would be cracks? Why
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a need
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  Speaker 1: to finish the top of it?
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  Speaker 3: Because some of them are finished quite profoundly, and then
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: you have others that have got these big dimples in
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: them where it just looks like they were trying to
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: remove anything that might have been a critical like damage
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  Speaker 3: to the structure. Obviously this is guesswork.
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  Speaker 1: The purpose of that would be to keep it from cracking.
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  Speaker 3: To keep it from cracking all the way through. I
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: just find it very interesting that the inside is more
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  Speaker 3: impressive than the outside for something that's meant to be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, viewed as a funerary box.
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  Speaker 1: Right. An enormous funerary box.
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  Speaker 3: An enormous funerary box.
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  Speaker 1: Does anybody have a wacky far out theory of what
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: they were actually for?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's always some. I mean, one of them
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  Speaker 3: that I find interesting is the idea that it could
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  Speaker 3: be like some form of like a sound bath, like
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  Speaker 3: an isolatory chamber where they would go into and have
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: like some form of experiences.
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  Speaker 1: You got to count on someone to move that fucking thing?
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's such a strong, there's such a strong
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the ancient past, especially
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: archaeoacoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself, like the pyramids,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: they're designed to resonate with Like one of the most, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: one of the most interesting places that I've been to
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: in terms of looking at the acoustics of places as
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: well as Malta, the island of Malta. And the island
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: of Malta is very interesting because when the Bronze Age
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: settlers from Sicily and other areas of Italy came over
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: to Malta for the first time, they discovered an island
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: that was absolutely littered with megalithic sites. And Malta has
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: got the highest concentration of megalithic sites in the world.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: But there were no people. They all gone. No one
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: knows who they were. It was just a land full
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: of these incredible megalithic temples. And one in particular called
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: the Hypogeum of Halcefliene. Now the Hypogeum is fascinating, dude.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: It's a subterranean, huge, huge temple that was discovered by
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: road workers. And they were literally just chipping away at
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: the road and then it collapsed in and they find
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: this huge, what they call a necropolis because they found
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: hundreds of skeletons down here. This thing is incredible. This
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: is all carved out of the limestone, and it is
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: a overlapping geometric series of chambers that is so obviously
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  Speaker 3: acoustically tuned that if you actually, if you wanted to
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: search hypergeum acoustics, it will come up with studies where
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: they've noticed that this is absolutely a deliberately acoustically tuned complex.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: Go on the actual website, not images. That's an interesting one.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: Whether or not it's entirely true, accurate someone's comparing the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: hypergium to the human ear, specifically because of the fact
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: that this place absolutely is acoustically tuned to resonate between
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: 110 and 115 hertz, which is the bandwidth to activate
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: certain brain states like alpha and theta brain, where you
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: can get into more meditative states of consciousness. And only
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: 20% of this site is accessible to the public, 70%
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: of it's locked off, and they treat it like a skiff.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: They take your phone, they take your camera, you can't
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: bring any audio recording devices into it, Nothing. Very curated
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: tour for like, you know, 30 minutes and then out.
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  Speaker 1: Why is 70% of it locked off?
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. They say it's for preservation of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: the site because it's such a delicate Neolithic.
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  Speaker 1: It's prehistoric.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: They believe it's prehistoric. And again, this speaks to what
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: was going on in prehistory because this is a acoustically
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: profound series of chambers that have been carved out of
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute bone antler
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: tools to. They were chipping away at it with bone
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: antler tools, and they made something as profound.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: So when you say prehistoric, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they dated to, I think, about 5,000 years ago. What?
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Mainstream. Mainstream. What?
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: Mainstream.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Carved. Carved. Carved out of the bedrock. Out
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: of the bedrock.
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  Speaker 3: Out of the bedrock. It's a huge, huge thing. And
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: what's even weirder about it, Joe, is that they found
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: all these elongated skulls at the bottom of it. And
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: I've seen one personally. I went to the Museum of Valletta.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: in malta and saw one of these elongated skulls what's
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: very interesting about these skulls is that they actually lack
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: the sagittal suture that we have going down the back
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 3: of the head so you know we have this uh
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: this sagittal suture which pushes the growth plates together as
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: you come through the birth canal um not that one
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: uh the third one the sorry the fourth one That one.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: And then there's other images which are actually the one
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: below it where you've got skulls recovered from the hypergium.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the elongated skull. This only got the
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: horizontal suture, no vertical suture, which is what all humans have,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: a vertical sagittal suture. Now, apparently, hundreds of elongated skulls
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: were discovered in the hypergium, but only a couple of
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: them are on display in Valletta. And I've got a
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: couple of friends who are in, have you heard of
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: the Knights of Malta?
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: It's a kind of a secret order, a bit like Freemasonry.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: It's spawned from the Vatican. The Vatican basically threw these
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: people into Malta and said, fuck off and go do
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: your weird stuff over there. But now it's a very connected,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of like with the Vatican order, the
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: Knights of Malta. Very powerful, a very powerful group, very
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: much in the geopolitical world stage. And A friend of
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring out
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: this book once a year in the Valletta Museum. And
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: it's detailing the skulls of the Hypergeum and apparently tells
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: a story of how the locals would throw bodies down
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: there because there are beings down there that they wanted
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: to prevent from coming up to the surface. And this
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: is the strange thing is the Hypergeum is full of
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: normal human bodies, hundreds, not buried with respect, but just
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: piled down there. And then also elongated skulls. And the
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: story is according to this very ancient book that they
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: bring out and put out once a year. You have
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: to be lucky to catch it. It apparently describes that
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: they were using this as a place to discard bodies
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: to prevent these creatures from coming up to the surface.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: So they were feeding them?
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: Feeding them. Feeding them.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: So when people would die, they would just throw them
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: down that hole? Or were people bad people? Maybe, yeah.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: Throw them down that hole.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: So these elongated skull things were eating people?
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Well, that's... You know, the connections we might make from
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: that kind of connotation from these books. But that's certainly
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: something that is rolled out in the Valletta Museum once
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: a year if you get to go there and see it.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Is that like an ancient version of Scientology? Somebody make
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: all this up?
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: Dude, I don't know.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Very strange that there's that many human skeletons down there.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, they did find a profound amount
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: of them, which is why the mainstream labels it as
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: a necropolis. But there's no burial respect being done. It
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: was just piles of bodies, like piles of bodies, dude.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: And again, it's just so profound.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: This is called the Oracle Room?
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Oracle Room.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is where the sound concentrates, the acoustics concentrate.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: I found here these two paragraphs. I guess it's going
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: to be a little long, but it's not that long.
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  Speaker 1: During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogeum, creating bone-chilling effects.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: It was reported that the sounds echoed for up to
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: eight seconds. Archaeologist Fernando Coimbra said that he felt the
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: of relaxation. When it was repeated, the sensation returned. And
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: the walls. One can only imagine the experience in antiquity,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: standing in what must have been somewhat odorous dark and
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: listening to ritual chant while low light flickered over the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: bones of one's departed loved ones. Holy shit.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: Might have felt like what drugs do to us.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So... Oh, so they made a drug house.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: He goes on to state, yeah, under right circumstances, ancient
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: populations were able to obtain different states of consciousness without
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: the use of drugs or chemical substances.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Or maybe in coordination with.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: This is the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and Binaural
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: Beats way, way before we were around. This is called
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: psychoacoustic architecture. The idea that ancient architecture is designed in
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: a way to propagate acoustics that affect the human brain.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Now imagine. This is 5,000 years ago. And where did
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: you learn that from? How did you do that? Did
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: you fail? Did you learn? What's the science?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: And another interesting element is there are a lot of
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: temple sites in Malta that look weirdly similar to Newgrange
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: in Ireland. And Newgrange is another psychoacoustic temple, if you
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: want to call it a temple. It's a huge mound
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: if you look it up. But within it, they've done, again,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: acoustic studies and it propagates infrasound, sound below the threshold
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: of human hearing. And that's the stuff that reverberates through
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: your chest cavity, through your bone structure. That's what that
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: guy is describing. It's infrasonic sound.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: You know when you're like.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: This is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How old's that?
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: Again, Neolithic. Neolithic.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know the exact date, but it's Neolithic. And
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: these spiral patterns are in the Hypergeum. Those spiral patterns
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: are in the Hypergeum in Red Ochre. This is Ireland.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: The same structure. That's very famous Irish. This, by the way,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: is incredible because it's completely singular. There's no break in
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: the line. That's a very hard piece of geometry to
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: actually create at the time as well. It's extremely complex
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: because all of this feeds into itself. There's no break
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: in that line. It's a very complex geometry. But that
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: same type of geometry is also found in the Hypergeum
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: And it's found in red ochre on the painting, these
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: swirling kind of motifs. So it's very interesting. You have
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: these weird correlations between places that were separated by entire
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: oceans in Neolithic time.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think that represents sound waves? Yes.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics, the
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: flow of movement and sound. And that was perhaps their
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: interpretation or perhaps they had a visual hallucination that gave
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: them the idea of it being this kind of like
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: swirling pattern. But yeah, I find this- This is Ireland. Yeah,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: this is Ireland. And there's just some striking similarities between
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: places like this and places in Malta. So again, it
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: just leads into the idea that there was perhaps a
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: globally maritime connected civilization that was using these psychoacoustic attributions
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: in sites to produce novel effects of unconsciousness, inducing brain
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: hemisphere synchronization, just like they're trying to do in my
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: ass with the CIA.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: And here's the real question. How did they learn how
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: to do that?
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: How did they learn how to do that?
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: And how long did it take before you figured out
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: how to carve that out of a mountain?
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, these are the questions that are
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: absolutely not being answered by our understanding of history. These
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: are the, you know, the red ochre, the more rough
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: ones are the ones in the Hypogeum. Incredibly old. Also,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: also a very good... Yeah, like, it's nuts.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: Other cultures have that as well, right? Those spirals?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. So that right there...
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: is also in Newgrange, in Ireland, like pretty much the same.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Right, but not just those two places. There's some other
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: places in the world.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, the swirling motif is one of the oldest. I mean,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: it is one of the oldest.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: But the implication of it being about sound is very
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: interesting when you find it represented in places that are
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: absolutely acoustically tuned from prehistory.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Like, you know, it's weird.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: There's another one in Peru called Chavin de Huanta, which
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: is a, there's a temple built above it. This is
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: another thing that you find. I mean, this one in Malta,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: they haven't done this, but you do definitely seem to
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: find layering like Gunung Padang in Indonesia, where you have
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: like the original structure below and people are just piling
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: up on top of it over time. So in Chavin
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: de Huanta in Peru, you have this amazing temple site,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: but below ground is a labyrinth of corridors and that
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: also propagate acoustics to the point where it brings up infrasound.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: So below this is an infrasonic laboratory, essentially, of labyrinthian
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: passages that were used for ritual acoustics. And they actually
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: found inside of this conch shells that had been purposefully
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: re-engineered to produce a new harmonic when blown into them. Like,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: they'd actually change them into a different type.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they'd go in the acoustic chambers and.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: Blow conch shells. And someone would obviously be walking through this,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: perhaps as a form of rite of passage.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine going back in time and seeing what
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: these fucking people were up to? I know, man. I
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: really want to. Just being a fly on the wall.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: I wish we could. Yeah, so, you know, it's not
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce infrasonic reverberation. They
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: have proven that and looked it up. And yeah, the
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: conch shells were found there that have got all of
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: these designs on them and have been purposefully changed to
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: produce a different sound. So there is a clear lineage
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: of acoustic science way before acoustic science was acoustic science,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: you know, at least to our terms. So brings up
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: big questions. And the fact that it was influencing consciousness.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: I think that we just had an incredibly intelligent but
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: shamanically orientated society at one point. You know, we were
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: using our human ingenuity, but we were using it. To
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: create effects more spiritually aligned than anything else. And, you know,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: these are all chambers for inducing expanded states of consciousness.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: for the construction? That's the real question, especially when you
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: get to the megalithic stuff. Yeah. What were they doing? Like,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: what is this? Because this is not what we're saying
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: it is. There's no way this is stone tools. There's
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: no way this is copper. This is something nutty.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why the nubs are interesting because it almost
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: seems like the stone was being softened. And perhaps like,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: you know, if you were pulling a spoon out of
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: hot toffee, you'd get that pullback, right? You'd get like
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: a little kind of protrusion.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to smooth that down though?
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: But they do. And then they don't. That's what's really
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: weird about it, especially in Peru. Peru has so many
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: stone nubs that... There's a place in Peru called the Coricancha,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: which is like the kind of main temple in Cusco,
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: the Sun Temple. And, you know, these precision, there's various
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: layers of architecture in Peru, albeit it's all being attributed
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: to the Inca, which is weird. Rough cut stonework, then
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: the weird megalithic kind of smushed together stones. Then you
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: have what's called Ashlar stonework, which is where it's like
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: a bunker. If you look at the, it's spelled with
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: a Q. Q-O-R-I-K-A-N-C-H-A, Kori Kancha. If you look it up
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: and look in, yeah, so you have to go inside
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: it really to really get this, the bunkers inside of it.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: Look at the wall on the outside actually real quick
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: before you do that. If you click on one of
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: these images and just enlarge it. The first one is
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: probably the best one. Yeah, so that's Ashlar stonework, that
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: bottom bit, that is original. This was built by the conquistadors, right?
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: The rest of it's been built up by the conquistadors
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: from Spain. But this original stonework is also represented inside
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: with these incredible bunkers. So if you type in like bunker,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: it's got, yeah, like this image here.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: The level of precision on these is absolutely phenomenal. I mean,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: we're talking just complete, precise fitting stones, not globular like
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: saxe woman, like marshmallows, but just precise blocks like these
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: bunkers here. Yeah, like down here. This is all original work.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: And then they built a, you know, Spanish inspired temple
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: over the top of it.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: So what you're asserting is that this was here first? Yes.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: This stuff, it was here first. Like this stuff was
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: absolutely here first. And if you look up, there's a
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: little nub, little stone nub right at the top there.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: And they, but some of these walls have like 10
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: knobs on them, like one here, one here, one here,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: and then there's none. So it's like they were smoothing
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: out some of them leaving others. Some have speculated that
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: it's a form of language because in Peru, the Inca,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: do you know what the Inca language was? They're like
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: written language. It was called Kipu and it wasn't written.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: It was pieces of string with knots on them in
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: different colors. That was, that was the historical language. So
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: it was literally like a line of different strings. different lengths,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: different colors with little knots in them, which corresponded to data.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: And most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadors
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: because they went over there and was like, burn this shit,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: burn this pagan nonsense. Yeah, this was their language. This
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: was their language. And it just made me wonder, obviously
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: this is a complete guess, but it just made me
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: wonder if like the stone nubs are stone khipu. Is
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: it a stone version with all these different nubs on
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: different places and different areas? Because it just feels like,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: especially in the Coricancha, which is a temple, it's a
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: regal temple, why would you leave the nubs on? Like
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: you said, why wouldn't they smooth these down? So it's
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: almost like it's meant to tell us something, and they're
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: left in very specific areas. Then, in Peru, you get
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: stone nubs protruding straight out of bedrock. That's what weirds
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: me out, is that it's not just on the crafted stones,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: but like a sheer rock face that's been obviously kind
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: of quarried down by some unknown technique without any chisel marks,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: just straight. And then you have like a group of
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: nubs coming out of the stone so peru is is
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: just full of contradictory architecture and i think that you
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: know the spanish went over there and they saw places
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: like saxo woman and they attributed to the inca you
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: know they attributed the inca the andean shamans say it's
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: not the inca you know the inca themselves to the
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: spanish conquistadors said is we found these places but we
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: take the words of the spanish conquistadors and we apply
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: it to our knowledge set and we teach that And
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: it's just like I was saying to you before, we're
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: basing so much of our history off of the word
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: of people from the 1800s, when clearly we're seeing contradictions
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: of that, even in, as Graham Hancock would certainly say,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: the oral traditions of the local region. The people are
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: saying differently, but we're listening to the foreigners who went
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: over there and destroyed things and burnt things and burnt
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: the Kipu and went back and taught us what their
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: civilisation is all about. It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Peru's fascinating, dude. Peru's one of the most
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: interesting places I've ever been.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: And has it had the same level of discovery of.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: Not like Egypt.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: No? No.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are areas in Peru. In fact, shout
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: out to my friend Raul Bilecki from Pillars of the Past.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: He's a guy who's out there in Peru, literally just
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: going out into the middle of nowhere. He's found pyramid
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: sites in the middle of nowhere that have absolutely zero recording,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: no excavation, no study, no name. They don't exist in
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: the record. but they're out there in the middle of
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: nowhere in Peru. And so like Peru has- How many?
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: He found a pretty impressive complex, actually. He found a
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: pretty impressive complex. He's got videos of it, like drone footage.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: So it's one of the places where you could actually
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: still be a real explorer and.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: Find things for the first time. Yeah, if you want
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: to go off into the Andean mountains, he's finding stuff
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: in the Andes, high up in the mountains, that nobody's documented.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: Nobody's seeing it. He's a real adventurer, but it just
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: proves that, like you said, there are still places like
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: this where you can do discovery.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: That is really nuts.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: And then, obviously, you have the Amazon rainforest and, like,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: you know, all of the things that could be in
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: there through LIDAR. We're already seeing so much geometry, so
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: much evidence that there was a massive amount of civilization
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: going on in that jungle. So, you know, this is,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: you know, getting very interesting to me. And, again, this
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: weird climatological stability through the last glacial maximum to the
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: Younger Dryas, this period of about 6,000 years where they
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: had access to development without being disturbed. So, you know...
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: You have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earthquake, megalithic structures in Peru
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: using multi-ton stones. That's an interesting area, although I will
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: say that it's made out of tuff, which is volcanic rock,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: very easy to cut because it's actually compressed ash. So
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: that's a really cool place, but it's not as mind-blowing
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: in terms of how they cut the rock because it's
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: extremely soft rock.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: So this is doable.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: This is doable. This is doable. But there are other things.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: In fact, if we could, could you go on my
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel real quick? There's an area in Saxa Woman
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: which has got, there's a diorite outcrop, which is an
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: incredibly hard stone. There's a measurement of hardness scale that
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: goes up to 10 with diamond being the hardest, and
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: diorite sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: whereas bronze sits at 3 to 3.5 out of 10. So,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a discrepancy with the hardness of the
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: material to start with. But yeah, yes, there's if you
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: go back to the beginning. Sorry, I wish I could
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: see the screen. It's going to be difficult, I think.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: Keep it plain. I'll talk about this and it will
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: come up in a moment, I'm sure. But all across Peru,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: you have these incredibly precise cuts into bedrock with very
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: little evidence of any sort of chisel marks and no
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: real understanding of how they were able to excavate it.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: You know, these incredible just voids into the rock. But
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: there's one area in particular, this is just the beginning
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: of my video, but there's one area in particular in Sacsayhuaman,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: which is this gigantic... In fact, you could probably just
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: type it in if you typed in Sacsayhuaman diorite steps
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: or something like that. Sacsayhuaman is not the easiest word.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: I know. S-A-Q-S-A-Y Sacsayhuaman.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: W-A-M-A-N.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sacsayhuaman diorite steps. Diorite spelt, sorry, mate.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Diorite.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, D-I-O-R-I-T-E.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: Damn it. It's all right, brother.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I think we're actually getting.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to listen while I'm typing.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: And it's... No, I know. Sorry, dude.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so yes, that's the one. So this is diorite.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: This is incredibly hard stone. To give some context, you know,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: the stones at Saxa Woman are extremely impressive, but they
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: are made of limestone, a little bit softer, a bit
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: more workable. This is impossible. If you can find a HD,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: I've got a 4K video of this. Like, that's why
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: I wanted to see it in that video. But if
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: you can find a HD image, it's shined like a
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: marble top. Like, these are just precision cut into this
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: huge outcrop of diorite, which they actually believe was a
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: magma burst. So a huge blob of magma came bursting
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: out of the ground and formed into this huge stone
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: mound that's adjacent to Saxa Woman. And you've got cuts
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: like this where it's just insanely perfect. And this is
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: not possible with a Bronze Age toolkit. This, to me,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: is actually more interesting in some ways than Saxa Woman
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: itself because it's just a complete contradiction of the Bronze
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: Age tools. You shouldn't be able to do that on diorite.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild. I mean, how long did that take?
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: And it's smoothed down to a point where it's, like, shiny.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: Like, what did they do?
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: And what's the purpose of it? Why? And there's all
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: these weird little cuts.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: The amount of effort involved in doing something like that.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's all these weird little cuts into the stone
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: like that. And across Peru, you just find, like, you know,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: these voids where it's just, like, a 90-degree cut into
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: And the weird thing is the back is smooth, too.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: And the back is also smooth.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: So how did you get it out of there?
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: Dude, this is the thing, man. I just find that so... fascinating.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: This is what really fascinates me.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: It clearly seems like there's a lost technology.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: These ancient people had figured something out. They probably existed
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: for thousands of years. They're probably really advanced just in
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: a different pipeline.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: They went in a different highway.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: that I'm bringing him up. There is one guy out
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: there who's trying his best to prove how they were
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: liquefying stone and then bringing it back. And I only
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: know his ex-handle, which is Fomahon, like F-O-M-A-H-U-N. I can't
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: remember his actual name, but I've been talking to him.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of actually going out to visit him and
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: film him doing this. But he's been demonstrating making teddy
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: bear casts of rose granite and things like this. And
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: for a long time, he wasn't revealing how he was
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: doing it. So I kind of just was like, whatever, dude, like,
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think that you're actually doing this. But he's
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: now actually revealed his secret ingredient, which is a slaked lime,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: like this slaked lime, which was very easy to make
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: for them. and water glass, which again is something that
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: they could have made. I don't know the science behind
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: this to be fair, so I'm just going to briefly
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: say that I think he's got some provocative ideas here
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: because he's actually adding like this water glass and slaked
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: lime to like, you know, mixed up compounds of granite
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: or limestone, like crushed up granite, crushed up limestone, adding
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: the slaked lime, adding the water glass. And then it's
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: solidifying into solid granite, like within six hours.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: What? Yeah.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: And he's got like literal like teddy bear casts and like,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: you know, different like cookie cutter casts of solid granite.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: And so there's a potential that it's really simple, but
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: totally been overlooked. You know, it's just using the right compounds,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: the right components and the right stone mixture. Again, how
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: do they learn this? But, you know, it's not definitive,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: but he's One of the only people I've seen has
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: actually presented actual evidence that could explain how they were
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: doing this, and it's relatively simple ingredients.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: That would account for some things, correct?
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Some things, yes, but not in film.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: The problem is the enormous... Okay, so this guy.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's... I think so, if you go up
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: and make sure he's actually the right person. Yes, yes,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: there we go, Marcel Foti.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: additive to water glass, the latter being the glue between
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: original granite grains.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: Because I realize we need full transparency in order to
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: clearly see the original granite grains like quartz. We need
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: a fake quartz as a binder. Well, nothing did not
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: work because the outside layer prevented the thing to get
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: hard inside. Oh, well, nothing did not work, I guess.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. How are you saying that? Now, what
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: we are seeing is made with a secret additive. Let's
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: call it almost nothing. that did not change the transparency
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: of the water glass, but forced it to set from
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: the inside. So remember, this is the wannabe binder only
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: of artificial granite, not granite itself.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: It's very interesting. And he's revealed that it's slaked lime,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: this secret ingredient. For a while, he wasn't saying what
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: it is. Now he said it's slaked lime. So I'm
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: actually going to go out to, he lives in Budapest.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go out to Budapest and actually film
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: him doing this to see if he's right about this.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: He's actually, I think, one of the originators of the
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too deep into,
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: but it's one of the explanations behind melting the stone.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: So I started paying more attention to him once I
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: was in Peru, and he was messaging me saying, you know,
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: this is what I think is going on here, is
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 3: they were using these ingredients to melt the stone, well,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 3: to solidify crushed up stone and create molds. What? Yeah,
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: one issue I do.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: How did they crush up the stones? That seems like
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: it'd be harder than moving.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe using harder rocks, like, you know, just like smash, smash.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly. You need to, I mean, how much
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: stone smashing would you need to do to create Saksa
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: Waman and all these areas?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 80 tons of smashed.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: Plus, plus, every single block is different. You'd be talking
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: about millions of molds. Like if we were talking about
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: molds here, then every single block is completely different. So
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: you'd need an individual mold for each one.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, compelling idea. Does it answer it? No. Nothing ever
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: seems to fully answer it, but it's compelling that he's
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: trying to actually find a way to solidify the stone,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: and it seems to be working. Whether it explains all
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: of it, I don't know, but there's certainly a lot
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: of people that will say that this is the definitive
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: explanation behind it. I don't think that, but it's compelling.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: Amazing sites have in common is that they are so spectacular,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: no one really has a logical explanation. It's one of
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: the coolest things about the most ancient of sites is
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: that it forces you to go, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Even the best people don't.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: Defies probability.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: It defies probability. It's truly, truly fascinating, man.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: It was a national project. So simple. I get it now. Yeah,
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: I know, man.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: That's the thing is like, You know, this outdated kind
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: of dismissal of everyone on the outside of the academic. Yeah, gatekeeping.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: You know, he wants to say he's not a gatekeeper.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: He clearly is.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: It's not yours, buddy.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: Did you know he came through the Edgar Cayce Foundation?
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: Wonderful. He did.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: Zahi Awas originated in the Edgar Cayce Foundation, so he
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: got funded. And weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: these ideas until about the mid-90s. So there's like a
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: 1993 quote from him at a university in Cairo where
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: he was saying something along the lines of, There are
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: tunnels underneath the Sphinx that lead down into greater structures.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: And when we truly understand this, we will understand the
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: real builders of the pyramids. That was the last time
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: he said anything close to that. post 1993 about 93
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: and be 96 but after that complete polar opposite 90
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: degree change I wonder what happened to Zahi.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: Who knows I don't understand why if you really want
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: that place to get more money more tourism more people interested.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: In it right I mean just be open to all
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: these people that are like yourself and like Graham Hancock and.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you not be open to these people and
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: their ideas? Like they're clearly very well versed. Like Ben
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: Van Kirkwyk.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's brilliant.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: He's incredible.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: Fantastic guy.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: He's an encyclopedia of information about Egypt. And why would
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: you not want that guy exploring publicly and also reaching
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: millions of people, by the way?
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want that? It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: I think there's maybe like a bit of a cultural arrogance.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: Like who do you think you are, Westerner, coming over
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: here and teaching us about our history? I think there's
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: a level of that, at least on a surface layer,
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: before you get into the deeper implications of Freemason secret
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: societies keeping things from us.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: My true fear is that it's people just have this
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: desire to be the one in charge of stuff. Right.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: And the desire to be right.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: They want to be the boss. They never want to
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: be proven wrong.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: And who's this guy? Who's this podcaster who's coming on
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 3: and telling me what my country's heritage is?
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: But the problem with that is even mainstream archaeologists are
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: angry about it. Right.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: Well, everyone gangs together. They all gang together. It's groupthink.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: It's groupthink as well. There's a lot of bitches in archaeology.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've noticed that.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: Bitchy people.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: I've noticed that.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: It's such a bad look for the profession.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: It really is because immature.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: Like snarky, shitty comments.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Aspersions of racism, shut up. It's a
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: really gross field in terms of like some of the
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: humans around it.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 3: I came through the toxicity of the UFO community, which
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: is like so bad. A lot of kooks. Yeah, a
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: lot of kooks, but also just a lot of bad
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: actors and hackers and people that want to, you know, Well,
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: one thing on the UFO subject, actually, which I do
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: think is worth noting, because like I said to you,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: I think I'm one of the first people that you've
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: had on that had to actually make their way through
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 3: the social media interactions. And one of the things that
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of us noticed and have to give credit
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: to a couple of people like Red Panda Koala and
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: Tupacabra on Twitter, two very good researchers that have been
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: highlighting this, is that when the whole kind of 2017
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: narrative and Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon, all these guys
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: started coming out. Obviously we were all extremely excited about it.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 3: Over time, you know, there were some issues, like some contradictions.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 3: Lou Elizondo, especially has contradicted himself quite a lot. And, uh,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: some of us started to get a little bit suspicious
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 3: of these people and just started asking questions. It didn't
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: take long for us to be targeted by a pretty
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: significant network online of people that were trying to hack
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: and doxxed us, and people like, he hasn't put his
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: actual name out there, but people that read Panda Koala
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: was doxxed online, had his family house put out online,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: had photos of his underage sister put out online by
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: a group of individuals who are all very closely connected
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: to Luis Elizondo. And this is something that you would
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: not notice outside of being in the minutia of X,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: because you would see these troll accounts, these really nasty
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: troll accounts, that were all being followed by Lou. And
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: when they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated,
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: Lou was one of the first people following them. Some
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: people have actually come out about this group now and
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 3: revealed screenshots of DMs where they're in private conversations with
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: people like Lou and Gary and some of these other
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: guys who I got connected to early on, very early on.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 3: I got some of the first interviews with these people
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 3: and was very pro it until I started realizing they
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 3: were very much trying to control the narrative and there
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: were things you couldn't speak about, can't talk about you know,
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: reverse engineering or consciousness initiated contact. Anything to do with
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: Greer is completely poisonous. Lou Elizondo was actually, he called
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: Greer and a couple of other people terrorists. He said,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists when asked about Stephen Greer.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: But what people have dubbed this as is the UFO
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: hate group. This is very well known online, the UFO
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: hate group. And it's a group of people that are
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: so savagely in favor of people like Lou and this
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: kind of modernized narrative. That if you even go half
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 3: an inch, like I really gained my accolades in the
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: UFO community. People, you know, really praising me for the
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: interviews I was getting until I started asking a few
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 3: questions about people like Lou. And suddenly I get an
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 3: absolute maelstrom of hatred from people that were once really,
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 3: you know, enjoying my content. And I'm quite lucky I
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 3: haven't been targeted so heavily. Some people have had their
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: lives ruined by these people who are all connected to
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: individuals like Lou. And Lou actually said that he came
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: to burn ufology to the ground. Like he actually said
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: that in an article. He was like, I want to
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: burn ufology. I want to destroy it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: When did he say that?
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was like in like a few years back now.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: You could get it up.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: Why did he say it? What was the context?
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: I think it was just about the way in which
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: the UFO community has been misrepresenting the phenomena and like
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives. And he just kind of,
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: I want to put a hard reset.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: But if he actually knew things, doesn't that kind of
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: actually make sense to say?
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: Does he know things?
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: You don't think he knows things? What does he know?
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: Right? They all know something, but none of them can
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: tell us. And they all knew it from someone else
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: and someone else told them and they knew it and
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 3: they know this. I was like, dude, I was so
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: in love with all of this. You have to understand
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 3: that I was truly, I was a believer. I was like,
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: this is amazing. I had my orb experiences. So I
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 3: had a bias already. I was like, I'm ready to
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: believe in whatever you're saying. It took me a while
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: to start actually realizing that this is not going in
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: a direction I think it should be going in that
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: there's a heavily curated narrative. And if you try and
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 3: question the narrative, you will be punished by groupthink, It
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 3: felt like, honestly, I started to feel like I was
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 3: in a COVID cult for ufology, where you just can't
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 3: talk about Luis Elizondo in a bad light, regardless of
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: the fact that this man has gone on stage and
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: presented literal fake UFO photos to the public, which have
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: been debunked in less than 24 hours, and he had
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 3: to admit that they were fake because of the debunks,
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: but people are just happy to forget these things happened. Like,
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: he went up in a congressional setting and held up
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: a UFO photo that was proven fake to just be fields,
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: like agricultural fields. Yes, this is a fake. That's not
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: a shadow. That's a darker field next to the lighter field.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: These are two circles. And this was proven. He had
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: to admit it. This is in a congressional setting. This
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: man apparently ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. I
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 3: call bullshit. I don't believe he did because he seems
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 3: like more of a government stooge. And he feels like
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: someone that would be sent out to do what he
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: admits he was doing, counterintelligence. He's a counterintelligence, counterterrorism, counterespionage guy.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not a UFO guy. I'm a counterterrorism, counterespionage guy.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: He's also one of the guys calling for amnesty, right? Oh,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: how surprising.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Culling me shocked.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he is.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, Culling me shocked.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: Does he say that in the, because a lot of
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: them do say it. I want to make sure that
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: he actually said that.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: In the Age of Disclosure documentary.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 3: I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe. I haven't even
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: fucking watched it because I'm just not interested in that
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 3: element of the UFO subject anymore. I've been burned by
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 3: these guys. I've had Gary Nollett emailing me like, why
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: aren't you on the team anymore? Why don't you like
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: be a team player? It's like, because you're literally telling
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: me that I can't tell my own fucking truth. You're
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: censoring me and saying that I'm not being a team
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: player just because I have questions.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: What are they censoring you about? What in particular? Well,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: I was attempting to get you to stop talking about.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 3: Well, specifically, primarily, there seems to have been a bit
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: of an issue with the way that I've been talking
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 3: about Lou and his association with a tip because I
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: think that a tip was actually a cutout. It wasn't
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 3: a real program and it was a cutout that was
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 3: actually created for to the Stars Academy and or SAP,
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 3: which was more of a kind of, you know, precursor program.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: wasn't being run by Lou Elizondo. That's the Advanced Weapon
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: Application Space Program. I forgot the actual acronym now. AATIP
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: is meant to be Lou's. And I just think that
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: I have to be careful, but a very prominent journalist
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: in the UFO community literally told me that Lou told
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 3: him that this was all created for To The Stars
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: Academy as like a way to, you know, generate an
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: understandable structure. Here's this guy. He's, you know, running AATIP.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 3: I have an issue with the idea that someone like
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: Lou Elizondo can go to the New York Times and
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't being briefed on
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 3: UFOs and I'm the one that was running a program
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 3: when people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are being
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 3: thrown to the wolves for just revealing standard national security issues.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: This is meant to be even deeper, right? It's a black,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: black budget. This guy can just roll out to the
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 3: New York Times? Seems a little bit planned. Seems a
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: little bit curated and forced. So I started asking those
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: questions and especially when things like this were happening, where
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: there were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that are
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 3: being debunked. I was like, who is this guy? You know,
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: who is this guy really? And then his book comes
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 3: out and he's talking about being the torture czar in
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 3: Guantanamo Bay. And, you know, the people there called him
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: the Darth Vader of the United States. This is in
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 3: his book. He admitted they called him the torture czar
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: of Guantanamo Bay because, you know, he ran Camp Platinum
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: at Guantanamo Bay, Blacksite, CIA Blacksite.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, he actually had in his book
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: that he was known as the Darth Vader of the
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: United States by certain people and the torturer of Guantanamo Bay.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 3: I don't really trust people like this who, you know,
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 3: waterboarded people for a living and are now trying to
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: tell me what's going on in the UFO subject.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: Let's ask this question. What purpose would there be to
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: muddy the narrative if you wanted to have a government
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: agent come out and have what you're claiming is like
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: a fake disclosure, like a government-narrated disclosure. What would be
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: the purpose of that?
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 3: What are they all asking for, Joe?
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 1: Money? Amnesty. Amnesty.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: Amnesty. And what was happening before that is you had
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 3: someone like Stephen Greer just saying, these people need to
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: go to jail. And that was the only big voice
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 3: in the UFO community.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're offering a window to possible disclosure, though.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: We give them this fucking amnesty. If we don't, what happens? Nothing.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: It keeps going the same way it's been going. There's
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: no actual disclosure. We keep talking about it. It gets nuts.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: It gets to the point where it's driving you crazy. Like,
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear about any fucking UFOs
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: until you show me one. But if it's a real
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: subject and the only thing that's keeping us from learning
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: this real subject is that. And so they're trying to
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: push out this narrative of amnesty. I'll bite. What are
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: we talking about?
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: I think for me, again, coming up through it and
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: just seeing how these people actually act when you challenge
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 3: them and the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: quite frankly, quite mentally unstable people that were very easily
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 3: misled into believing they're important. who are getting brought into
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: these signal chats, these private group chats. And, you know,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: I'm in touch with Lou Elizondo.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys.
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 3: I've been brought in. And, you know, they try to
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 3: do that. Useful idiots. Yeah, useful idiot. And, like, there's
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of them. And, you know, there's a few
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: people out there that are extremely dark individuals. We're talking, like,
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 3: you know, connected to all sorts of weird Satanism groups.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 3: And Lou's just there with selfies, like, hanging out.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: With these guys.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 3: He's a dodgy dude. I don't care. I'm freaked out
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 3: even saying this on the Joe Rogan. He's going to
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 3: remote view my brain or something. But at the same time,
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 3: he is a dodgy guy.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: But you do believe in the existence of these things.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: Dude, I've had orbs hover over my house.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: So what you think is that there is a clear
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: decision somewhere in our government to muddy the water and
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: to put out this narrative that These whistleblowers are trying
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody. So to slowly trickle this stuff out
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: there and then float out amnesty, which is a big
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: part of the Age of Disclosure documentary, really the first
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: time I've ever heard anybody where everyone uniformly talks about
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: that one particular subject.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that that's the goal is to create
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: a curated soft disclosure that does the very best to
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: paint the government in the best possible light and allows
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: them to actually kind of not face too much punishment
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 3: for what's been going on in the legacy programs. Again,
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there,
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 3: he was offering a completely different thing. We need to
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: punish these people. They are criminals. They've ruined humanity for
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: 100 years of stagnating technological progress. You got a little testy.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: Got a little testy with that. Should have taken a
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: little softer tone. Sorry. No, I'm saying with him. Maybe
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: if he did that, maybe they would have not been
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: so defensive. Like, fuck, they want to lock us up.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's it. As soon as you say you're.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: Going to lock someone up for what they did, they're
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: going to say, I didn't do anything. And they're going
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: to keep saying that.
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 3: But that's why they got rid of him. That's why
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: they got rid of him. That's why Gary Nolan, who
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two Stars Academy.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: And they poached quite a few people from his team
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 3: and brought him over to TTSA. And he became a pariah.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 3: You know, again, he says a lot of things that,
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 3: quite frankly, I don't agree with. But I just think
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 3: that basically they tried to overtake the narrative and they
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 3: needed government representatives to run this. And I just, again.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: It's how they do everything. Why would we be shocked
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 1: that they do it about something this important? Especially if
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: there is lying to Congress, misappropriation of funds, and for
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: sure some fraud. For sure. You're talking about a shit
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: ton of money.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: One thing that does interest me, though, is the ARV,
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 3: the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, the Fluxliner. Have you heard of this?
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 3: You know about Mark McCandlish and the Alien Reproduction Vehicle? Oh,
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 3: that's something you should know. If you type in ARV Fluxliner,
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: you'll get this image right away. This is one of
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 3: the avenues that I would actually pay attention to and think, okay,
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 3: I think something's going on here. Mark McCandlish was an
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: aerospace illustrator for the U.S.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: Air Force. That's the Yeah.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 3: So the actual.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have seen this.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you have. It's very classic. And that
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: one that's blue with the writing all over it, that's
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 3: what was held up at the 2001 National Press Conference
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 3: organized by Dr. Stephen Greer. Again, like, you know, this
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: isn't new. Like, to be fair to Dr. Greer, he
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: brought like over 50 witnesses on live television during the
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: National Press Conference. And one of them was Mark McCandlish,
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 3: a military illustrator who drew this sketch.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine has a version of this framed
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: in his house.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 3: So do I.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: I need to get one. We need to get one
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: for the studio, right?
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  Speaker 3: You can literally get one on Etsy for like $ 100.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 3: Let's fucking go, Etsy. It's like that big one on Etsy.
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  Speaker 3: So this is important. Mark McCandlish, he actually ended up
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  Speaker 3: taking his own life.
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  Speaker 1: Go back to that again? Yeah, what about it? I
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: want to read the heading. It says, according to this documentary,
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  Speaker 1: we had the technology for faster and light travel and
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: zero-point energy for a very long time. Let's pretend this
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: is true. How do we know the UAPs we sent
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: aren't ours and more modern built?
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  Speaker 3: The person who made this documentary died of an aggressive
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: form of cancer not long after making it. He was
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  Speaker 3: quite a young man as well. Documentary filmmaker who made this.
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  Speaker 3: But Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, he had a friend called
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  Speaker 3: Brad Sorensen. Brad Sorensen was a government guy, aerospace engineer.
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  Speaker 3: Lockheed Martin had quite an extensive portfolio. And Brad Sorensen
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  Speaker 3: goes to his buddy one day, Mark McCandlish, and he says,
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  Speaker 3: I was shown something, and I want you to draw it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to describe it to you in great detail,
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  Speaker 3: and I want you to create the illustration. Brad Sorensen
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  Speaker 3: says that, I think it was in, like, the 70s or, like, early,
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  Speaker 3: late 60s or early 70s, that he was invited to
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  Speaker 3: a private air show at Lockheed Martin by an individual
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  Speaker 3: who was a good friend of his in the military
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  Speaker 3: who was higher up than him. And apparently, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't have the, what they call the tickets, the
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  Speaker 3: right classifications to actually get access to this show. private
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  Speaker 3: air show but his friend brought him because he had
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  Speaker 3: the tickets and essentially they bring him into a hangar
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  Speaker 3: in Lockheed Martin where three large sources of varying size
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  Speaker 3: were hovering a few feet off of the ground they
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  Speaker 3: were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems that's the
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  Speaker 3: way that they were actually classifying them had a nickname
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  Speaker 3: for a moment instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems like the
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: idea that you could just instantaneously deliver a nuclear payload.
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  Speaker 1: To anywhere in the world Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Which is, again, one of the reasons why they
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: might keep this stuff secret. The ships were nicknamed Mama Bear,
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 3: Baby Bear, and Papa Bear. Oh, my God.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's really interesting about this is that Brad Sorensen has
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 3: never gone public. But I was in the room when
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 3: he was phoned. And I've heard him say things that
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: have never been on the record before. No one's ever
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 3: contacted Brad Sorensen. Mark McCandlish took his own life. number
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 3: of years ago. His closest friends would say that that
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 3: was not anything untoward. It's hard to know. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know the man. All I know is this is the
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: man that produced an incredibly profound illustration and then eventually
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 3: took his own life. But his friend, Brad Sorensen, has
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 3: never gone public, ever.
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  Speaker 1: Never.
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  Speaker 3: I've got quite a few contacts now because of my
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 3: research and affiliations that I've managed to gain with people
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 3: in the US Navy and Intel. And a good friend
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 3: of mine who was able to actually find his number
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  Speaker 3: and get in touch with Brad Sorensen. I was present
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 3: when he was phoned. And, you know, my friend introduces
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 3: himself to him and he'd never spoken to him before.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 3: And they were just talking shop. First of all, he
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: said that he wanted to reach out to him because
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 3: he'd heard about him through various stories online. But, you know, anyway,
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 3: to cut the long story short, he asked him, my
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 3: friend asked him about Mark McCandlish and this alien reproduction vehicle.
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 3: And Brad Sorensen said, went off on quite a diatribe
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 3: actually uh very angry about mark and how he said
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 3: that i gave this man the keys to the kingdom
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 3: and he went out and told the whole fucking world
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 3: and i will never do that because my employers will
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 3: fry me he said they will fucking fry me if
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 3: i speak out about this but i am capable of
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 3: building and designing an aircraft that can go 210 times
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 3: the speed of light Yeah, he reiterated that multiple times.
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 1: What? Yeah, I... What year was this?
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 3: I've sat on this for a couple of years. It
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 3: was about two years ago that my friend found him. Yeah, I.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can imagine that's how the national security
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: system would actually look at this. Not as an exploratory vessel, but...
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 1: What is this?
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: It's a payload delivery system that's instantaneous.
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 3: That's what they would look at it as, right? Another
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 3: reason to keep it secret probably. Oh, shit. But that was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I would love to get him on record.
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he ever will. Brad, if you're
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 3: listening to this, I would like to get you on record.
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 3: But he, yeah, he said that. He said that he
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 3: can design a craft that goes 210 times the speed
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 3: of light. And this is the guy that gave Mark
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 3: McCandlish the illustrations to create that ARV.
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  Speaker 1: It's just weird.
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: It's weird, dude. This is the real question. What would
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: civilization be like had this stuff not been kept secret? Right.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: If we had access to that kind of energy, whatever
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 1: that thing is operating on. Could you imagine if you
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 1: had access to that energy and you're watching all these
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: idiots burn coal? I know. What are you doing?
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: But you can't say anything? Yeah. Because you have a
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 1: instantaneous I would I would hate delivery system.
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: I'd hate to be these people. I'd hate to be
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 3: these people.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 3: Imagine sitting there knowing that we have access to these
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 3: kind of technologies.
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 1: Also, like, this desire to tell people something that's really
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 1: important to humanity. They can't all be complete sociopaths.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 3: But maybe they do. Like, they screen them for that reason.
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, they have to be
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 3: a certain personality type. I don't give a fuck about humanity.
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think at highest levels of these,
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 1: especially these military corporations... I think you just have to
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 1: become that anyway.
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by force of nature.
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, well, we're going to kill 100,000 people today. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, how emotionally attached can you possibly be in
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 3: that kind of position?
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 1: You just have to be task-oriented.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 3: So, you know, the ARV is a provocative one for me.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 3: And to be honest, man, I think a lot of this,
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's called the ARV, the alien reproduction vehicle.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 3: And maybe we have had alien crashed vehicles, but I'm
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 3: more tempted to believe that Nikola Tesla's work was taken
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 3: by the U.S.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: Government.
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 3: John G. Trump, Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 3: that actually oversaw all of that.
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 1: You know that?
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he actually looked at all that. You know,
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 3: he found a correspondence between Nikola Tesla and British and
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 3: Russian royalty, like the high top levels of British and
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 3: Russian royalty, about them acquiring a super weapon of incredible power.
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 3: There's a video, I actually posted it on X, of
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 3: John G. Trump, a vintage video of him talking about
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 3: coming across these correspondent letters that he never found the
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 3: true method of the secret weapon or what it was.
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 3: But there was correspondence between the king and Russian czars
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 3: about acquiring it from Nikola Tesla. So I think that
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 3: they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies. I think
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 3: people like T. Townsend Brown, you know, these original ideas
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 3: of being able to use field induction to create positive lift.
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 3: This is something that was being looked at by humans.
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 3: You don't need to invoke flying saucers crashing from Alpha
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 3: Centauri for that. Maybe it happened, but I would be
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 3: more on the line that we've done it ourselves. We've
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 3: done it ourselves.
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 1: At least some of it.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it. The Cold War happened, Cold War paranoia,
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 3: and we've never got rid of it. All the iron
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 3: walls came up around that. And it's a case of
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 3: how do we kind of get rid of all this
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 3: legacy program you know, stoving and stove piping because of
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 3: Cold War paranoia. It's too late now because we're in
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 3: 2025 and you've got to try and tell us that
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 3: you've got zero point energy. You know, we've been flying
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 3: around in fucking Wright Brothers planes for a hundred years
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 3: and shit. Are you kidding me? It's not going to
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 3: go down well. So amnesty, right? Yeah.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 1: Amnesty. Fuck, it might be the only way.
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 3: It might be the only way. And if it is
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 3: the only way, that's fine. But like I said, I
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 3: do have.
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 1: It sucks that they're not going to get punished for crimes,
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 1: but so what?
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 3: So what?
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: At least we are not being punished by being... Exactly.
• 2:49:52
  Speaker 1: Information being withheld that I think would change the course
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 1: of humanity in probably a fantastic way.
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like the world would have to
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 3: become a more heavily controlled place for these types of
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 3: technologies to come out. Do you know what I mean?
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 1: I was trying to wrap this up on a high note.
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 1: Digital ID coming up.
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 3: Well, that's all I'm saying. Like, you know, the control
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 3: structures around something like free energy would have to be
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 3: quite profound because of the things we were saying about
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 3: some psycho with a ZPE device.
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 1: Like, look what just happened in Bondi Beach in Australia.
• 2:50:18
  Speaker 1: Imagine if you have access to that. If everybody has
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 1: access to that, especially off the internet, you figure out
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 1: how to design one, it's not that hard.
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 3: The world will have to become a more restrictive place
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 3: for these things to come off of public benefit.
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 1: Now people are going to think you're a Fed. for
• 2:50:32
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• 2:51:01
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