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17,000 US Troops Are Heading to Iran – This Is Vietnam All Over Again | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Silk and
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  Speaker 1: Steel Podcast. I'm your host, Carl Za. Today we have
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  Speaker 1: the crowd's favorite Pengan senior fellow from c ig I
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, Einar, Carl.
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  Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to be here. It's just surreal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know we were talking. Are we living
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  Speaker 2: in an episode of South Park? I mean you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't find somebody to invent this stuff. They'd be like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy, you know, Okay, no one would ever say that. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, listen, I started this war. I didn't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 2: It's turned into a fiasco. So I'm leaving. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, if you guys want oil, you should figure
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  Speaker 2: it out. And oh, yes, GCC, you should pay for
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  Speaker 2: this war. I come over to your house, I start
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  Speaker 2: a fire and then I insist that you should put
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  Speaker 2: it out. The insurance company should pay me.
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  Speaker 1: And he's telling Europe to buy American oil, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: first he cuts Europe from the Russian oil and gas,
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  Speaker 1: and now that you know you's oil, he's got like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you can buy American but but go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: One small problem, Carl, we don't have enough oil to
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  Speaker 2: sell them. You can't take one fifth of the world's
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  Speaker 2: oil and gas away and then say, well, you know
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  Speaker 2: we can add maybe two three up to five percent.
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  Speaker 2: So you take out twenty, you add five. Last I
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  Speaker 2: checked supply, demand, in elasticity, all of these little words.
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  Speaker 2: It means that rices of oil are going up. And
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  Speaker 2: that's that's you know, that's why he's afraid. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he sees.
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  Speaker 1: At the United States actually don't have oil for sale
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  Speaker 1: because what they you know, if you look at the data,
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  Speaker 1: US is a net exporter of petrol products, but what
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  Speaker 1: actually the export is these like liquified some kind of
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  Speaker 1: petroleum gas that was a byproduct of the jewelling, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not really oil. And so United States is actually
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  Speaker 1: a net importer of the crude. Oil imports like I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think I saw like sixty sixty six million barrel
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  Speaker 1: per day and then export three million barrel per day
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  Speaker 1: because because United States they have the wrong they produce
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  Speaker 1: the wrong kind of oil for the US refineries. So
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  Speaker 1: the exports a shell oil and import the heavy crude
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  Speaker 1: that's actually the US refinery. Except so, so US is
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  Speaker 1: actually a net crude oil importer. Europe can buy oil
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  Speaker 1: from the United States. There's not enough can buy gas.
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  Speaker 1: It can buy gas. We do have a net export
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  Speaker 1: of gas. But let me explain the details in case
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  Speaker 1: somebody is wondering. Right, So, there's basically two kinds of oils,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it's a rainbow. One end you have
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  Speaker 1: this heavy tar like stuff, and this is the stuff
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  Speaker 1: they get from the oil sands of Canada and also
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  Speaker 1: from Venezuela. It's extremely heavy. I mean it's really really
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  Speaker 1: dense and thick and not something I put in your
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  Speaker 1: gas tank. But it has its uses. You cannot make
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  Speaker 1: diesel without it, and you cannot make you know, the
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  Speaker 1: stuff they put on the roads, the tarmac and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, you can't make that without this heavy oil. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the US through fracking, which means you pump stuff into
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  Speaker 1: the ground, and that kind of forces this oil out.
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  Speaker 1: It's what's called sweet or light crude.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really good if you want to make it
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  Speaker 2: into gasoline and things like that. But it's two different
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  Speaker 2: refining processes. The US for some reason doesn't really process
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  Speaker 2: as much and there's not as much necessary when you're
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  Speaker 2: processing this sweet crue, the very light oil, but the
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  Speaker 2: heavy oil you do, but for some reason, in the
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  Speaker 2: south of the United States, they have a tremendous number
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  Speaker 2: of these heavy crude cracking facilities, the processing of them,
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  Speaker 2: and also we have our own internal needs. So there's
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  Speaker 2: this feeling that, you know, he went after Venezuela because
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  Speaker 2: then he's you know, if you're going to attack the world,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to have a little backup. So
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  Speaker 2: he's thinking that, you know, we take over Venezuela, which
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  Speaker 2: has lots and lots of the stuff. Over the over
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  Speaker 2: the years, their ability to produce has gotten less because
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  Speaker 2: the US embargoed them, it was harder to get the
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  Speaker 2: parts that they needed to repair the oil rigs. Also,
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  Speaker 2: they were in fact, you know, you know, eating the
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  Speaker 2: goose that was laying the golden eggs. They weren't keeping
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  Speaker 2: it up to the same level because they had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of eternal you know, issues about money. They were
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  Speaker 2: spending too much and they were bringing in too little.
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  Speaker 2: So when when people are thinking about oil, think about
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  Speaker 2: it is two different types and two different types of processing,
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  Speaker 2: and they have different uses. So this is an area
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  Speaker 2: where people, you know, like yourself, it's like, well, you
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on here? Oil is oil no, unfortunately not.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of gas, yes, US has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of gas, but it's in order to transport this gas,
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  Speaker 2: you have to cool it down to incredibly you know,
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  Speaker 2: low temperatures literally to liquefy the gas that takes energy,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have to load it onto platforms the
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  Speaker 2: ships if you're going to take it overseas, and when
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  Speaker 2: that happens, you know, of course you need very specialized ships.
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  Speaker 2: You'll see them. They have. It looks like they have
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  Speaker 2: these rat They have these round globes, you know, generally
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  Speaker 2: two or three of them, and they injected in there
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  Speaker 2: and it has to be kept cool. Then when it
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  Speaker 2: arrives you can't just use it off the boat. You
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  Speaker 2: then need a special reception plant that gradually warms the
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  Speaker 2: gas up so it deliquefies and then you put it
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  Speaker 2: into the pipes and people can burn it. So it's
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  Speaker 2: about three times as expensive as regular gas. So it's
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  Speaker 2: American gas at three times the price of what they
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  Speaker 2: were buying piped gas from Russia because they weren't liquefying it.
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  Speaker 2: They were just running it through a pipe and going
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  Speaker 2: over But you know, somehow, I don't know how, but
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  Speaker 2: somehow the Nordstream tube blew up. I'm sure it was
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  Speaker 2: just a bunch of drunken Ukrainians and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the US was circling the area and watching it had
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of ships, were hobby boats, some of sailboat,
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  Speaker 2: but you know they there was demolitions X. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these aren't like pipes you just throw into the water.
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  Speaker 2: They're buried. They're extremely heavy and they're buried and they
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  Speaker 2: put a they try to put stuff on top of
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  Speaker 2: them to prevent you know, anchors from dragging on them
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  Speaker 2: or things like that. They have to protect them. So
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  Speaker 2: this is not something so the amount of explosives necessary
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  Speaker 2: to do the damage that they did, know you were
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  Speaker 2: talking a couple of tons. So, I mean the idea
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  Speaker 2: of a you know what was it some sort of
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  Speaker 2: fishing boat carrying a couple tons of explosives and and
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  Speaker 2: and then they're able to find this, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: really dark and deep. How do you find the pipe? Right?
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  Speaker 2: That might be a bit of a challenge if you
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  Speaker 2: just have a wet suit on you're kind of combing
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  Speaker 2: around for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were, and they were doing that in
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  Speaker 1: the most monitored sea lane in the world.
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  Speaker 2: That's a small thing. Small thing. And you know the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you know Biden said he was going to
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  Speaker 2: blow it up before if there was a if there
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  Speaker 2: was a war between Ukraine and Russia. I'm sure that
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  Speaker 2: had no bearing on it whatsoever. But you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's you know what, if you want to have some fun,
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  Speaker 2: if you're talking to European and just say, hey, who
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  Speaker 2: blew up North Dream too, You're going to see a
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  Speaker 2: mix of emotions across their face if they know about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Ukrainian, well you can ask the Polish you ass
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  Speaker 3: you know, was it a prime minister of Poland that
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  Speaker 3: that tweeted out the congratulation message with North Dream got
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  Speaker 3: blown up on Twitter?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, try to walk it back after that. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: know I was just saying in a general congratulatory but
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  Speaker 2: you notice he didn't send the message to the Ukrainians
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  Speaker 2: at the event, you know, the games they play. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is a serious stuff, and you know
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  Speaker 2: it's you start putting all the little pieces together, Carl,
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  Speaker 2: it looks really damning. First, you have Europe being cut
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  Speaker 2: off from its cheap energy supply, which of course creates
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  Speaker 2: a mass, mass exodus of companies because they can no
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  Speaker 2: longer be competitive. Then you have Trump. He pursues bombing Nigeria, which, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they have a lot of oil too, don't they. And
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  Speaker 2: then it goes after Venezuela, and all while he's telling
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  Speaker 2: countries you're not to trade with China, don't sell them oil,
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  Speaker 2: don't do anything with them, and then all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden he goes after around which it's not the major
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  Speaker 2: part of China's imports. They kind of eleven million barrel
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  Speaker 2: imports and Iran was about one point five million per day,
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  Speaker 2: so it's part of it, but it's not really the
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  Speaker 2: whole part of what China uses and things like that. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it does kind of lead one to believe
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  Speaker 2: that despite all the kind of weird stuff that Trump
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  Speaker 2: is doing, that there are those around him who are
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  Speaker 2: pushing him in a certain direction. There's always been this
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  Speaker 2: feeling in Washington that if you could cut China off
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  Speaker 2: from its energy, you could, in essence, you know, contain
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  Speaker 2: it without energy. How it is China going to run?
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  Speaker 2: They miss a few things. First off, China has the
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  Speaker 2: largest reserve in the world, somewhere between one point two
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  Speaker 2: and one point four billion barrels of oil and you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the last few months prior to the attack on Iran,
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  Speaker 2: they were building up their reserves, had increased their buying
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  Speaker 2: by sixteen percent, and that was for a storage, not
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  Speaker 2: for use. So this gives them you know, some some time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can take eleven billion, they can eleven
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  Speaker 2: million dollar barrels per day they can probably replace maybe
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  Speaker 2: up to two three at most, and then you take
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  Speaker 2: eight and you put it into you know, eight million
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  Speaker 2: into one point two to one point four billion. They
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  Speaker 2: have some time. China also during the Median term, is
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  Speaker 2: you know, they have you know, factories waitings to produce
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  Speaker 2: you know, solar panels, also windmills. They're largest user of
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  Speaker 2: alternative energy. And I'm sure that while I know, I've
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  Speaker 2: talked to the people who own those factories and they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're going full steam right now. It had been very,
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  Speaker 2: very bad in this olar industry because of the competition
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  Speaker 2: and also because of tariffs and things like that. In
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  Speaker 2: Europe and in America. Now everyone wants it, that they
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  Speaker 2: need it. The battery industry is taking off. But in
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  Speaker 2: addition to that, China has coal mountains of it. They
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  Speaker 2: could literally run their economy on coal for the next
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  Speaker 2: forty years. They don't want to do it. They've been
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  Speaker 2: switching away from it, but if they have to go
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  Speaker 2: back to it, they can, so that produces electricity. Now,
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  Speaker 2: people should also know that in terms of oil, it's
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  Speaker 2: not all going into something that moves. About forty percent
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  Speaker 2: of oil is used in industrial processes, so you know
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  Speaker 2: the chemicals you use in your house, the chemicals that
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  Speaker 2: are used in industrial processes, fabric rayon all of these
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  Speaker 2: artificial pabrics, they're made from oil perfume, so you go around.
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  Speaker 2: I mean about forty percent is what is really necessary
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  Speaker 2: for China in terms of maintaining oil. Now they can
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  Speaker 2: maintaining their ability to produce the energy for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of it. They've had a very high acceptance of evs,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, gasoline, which was but you still
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  Speaker 2: need it for airplanes and things like that. And lately
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  Speaker 2: China has been making their calculations and you'll note that
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  Speaker 2: they have been sending especially diesel oil to hard hit
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  Speaker 2: areas in the global South, especially in Asion, to try
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  Speaker 2: to help those countries who do not have these big
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  Speaker 2: reserves to overcome it. It's because it's not just costs,
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  Speaker 2: it's just you know, if I'm a farmer and I
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  Speaker 2: don't have diesel, I can't run my factory, my fact tractor,
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  Speaker 2: I don't run my tractor, I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to plant my fields in time. And the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the time to plant is the time to plant. You
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  Speaker 2: miss it, you miss the crop. So this is a
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  Speaker 2: case where I can put it off for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of or something like that. So they are real trouble.
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  Speaker 2: They also need diesel because a lot of them run
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  Speaker 2: there the water supply systems, their irrigation systems using diesel pumps.
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  Speaker 2: Now this can be replaced. There are you know, a
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  Speaker 2: couple of solar panels can run a hot half horse
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  Speaker 2: power you know pump and you know, use a battery
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  Speaker 2: to regulate the current that's going in and just save
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit. But you can literally run it
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  Speaker 2: and you don't need as much irrigation at night. So
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  Speaker 2: obviously this this is a solution. And quite frankly, solar
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  Speaker 2: is so cheap now it's actually better than coal, cheaper
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  Speaker 2: than coal, and it's now it's cheaper than of course oil.
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  Speaker 2: So these are things that can be done in medium term.
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  Speaker 2: Over the long term, China has twenty nuclear plants that
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  Speaker 2: are coming onto line. They have a target of about
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  Speaker 2: fifteen percent of their total electricity generation is going to
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  Speaker 2: be done by nuclear. But the really big issue is
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  Speaker 2: that they Chinese don't put things very lightly into their
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  Speaker 2: fifteen year plants. I mean there are five year plants.
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  Speaker 2: This is the fifteenth five year plan, and in that
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  Speaker 2: plan they talk about having a commercially viable fusion reactor.
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  Speaker 2: So the difference between fusion and nuclear is that nuclear,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if it explodes or something, you have a problem.
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  Speaker 2: That life is going to destroy everything. People die of cancer.
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  Speaker 2: This is what they use in bombs. But fusion doesn't
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  Speaker 2: create any kind of bad effects. It's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: you fuse these these atoms. It caruses a lot of
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  Speaker 2: heat and then you run the steam generators. But there's
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  Speaker 2: no nuclear contamination. And because it's almost limitless in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the amount of fuel that's available, you really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have something that is for thousands of years, could
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  Speaker 2: power the United the world, and if that happens, it
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  Speaker 2: changes everything. You still need oil as a feedstock for
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  Speaker 2: chemicals and things like that, but electricity a right to
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  Speaker 2: run pumps. You can even pull water out of the air,
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  Speaker 2: if you have enough electricity. You know, just think about
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  Speaker 2: a refrigerator. What was to do it it produces condensation.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the same kind of idea. You can produce water.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, you can produce water in the desert because
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  Speaker 2: even in the desert, in the driest ones, you're thirty
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  Speaker 2: five to forty percent of moisture in the air. It
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  Speaker 2: feels dry, but the fact is there's plenty of moisture
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  Speaker 2: there and it can be brought out, so that that
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  Speaker 2: really changes things. You can now have irrigation in areas
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  Speaker 2: that you know we're too dry before. You're not dependent
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  Speaker 2: on bringing water out of the ground, and obviously you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to depend on rivers and streams and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, so agriculture would change. So this is the
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  Speaker 2: long term plan for China. And you know, all of
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  Speaker 2: this happens not because of a crisis. It happens because
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  Speaker 2: China has been thinking about these issues long term and
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  Speaker 2: they were preparing for them. Yes, they have put money
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  Speaker 2: into creating this industry, supporting the science and the technology
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  Speaker 2: necessary to get to a fusion reactor. But if that happens,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to just be China that benefits it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the entire world really changes so much.
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  Speaker 2: You with a fusion reactor, if you can get it
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  Speaker 2: small enough, you can run your boats forever. You just
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  Speaker 2: have to clean them up every once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so many different aspects to that that people
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to keep track of it all. But the
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  Speaker 2: fact is there's different kinds of oils, there's different kinds
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  Speaker 2: of uses for oils, and the future is not about
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  Speaker 2: oil for energy as much as using other alternative forms
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  Speaker 2: of energy. And China's on top of it, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: many other countries are not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but right now, the longer the straight o' hormos
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  Speaker 1: is closed, uh you know, I know, I know. Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump claimed that he already reopened it. The tongues of
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  Speaker 1: shifts that's going through, which is completely non sense because
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  Speaker 1: naturally open.
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  Speaker 4: Naturally.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a flower. It's just moving just.
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  Speaker 1: Because because we have the marine traffic data and so
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  Speaker 1: so far there's about seven ships that have transitated straight
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  Speaker 1: oh horror moods through the Uranian side, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Uranian territorial water. And they most of them all had
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  Speaker 1: to pay a toe to Urran in and and pay
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  Speaker 1: in our be you want, because Uran dun't don't trust
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  Speaker 1: any US dollar denominated a bank account that can freeze.
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  Speaker 2: They can't use it since they're outlawed and sanctioned from
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  Speaker 2: using it. Kind of controls the swift system, which is
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  Speaker 2: the bank settlement system. They swore that they would never
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  Speaker 2: never weaponize it. Oh well, I guess that promise didn't
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  Speaker 2: work out. Yeah. No, they can't use dollars at all,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't want to use dollars because they see
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  Speaker 2: that as propping up the US economic system and this
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  Speaker 2: enormous debt to thirty nine trillion dollars and growing, especially
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  Speaker 2: because of this war. You know, two hundred billion here,
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  Speaker 2: two hundred billion there, it adds up soon it's like
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  Speaker 2: real money.
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  Speaker 3: And that's then, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And Besson openly said he's gonna jiu jitsu Uranians. We
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  Speaker 1: theyre oh oil by by lifting the sanction on Rani oil.
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  Speaker 1: So if the Uran and now go rush out to
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  Speaker 1: southern oil to other US partners, we as the US Treasury,
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  Speaker 1: we have visibility to see where the money goes into.
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  Speaker 1: Now we can't freeze their bank account, so you run, don't.
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  Speaker 3: Get that money.
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  Speaker 1: He sat down television. Everybody now know a plan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a secret plan until he let the
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  Speaker 2: secret out. You know, the problem with Besant is I
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  Speaker 2: think he's smart enough to know what's going on, but
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  Speaker 2: for some reason he's able to suspend his disbelief and
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  Speaker 2: say nonsensical things. First off, the Iranian's oil output has
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  Speaker 2: been severely curtailed. Yes, a very important part of its economy.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But with the island under attack cart Island, all right,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: how much Iranian oil is getting out? There's some, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it's a trickle even if they attack. They if they
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: do attack the island, it means that loading and you
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: know through that area is going to be impossible. So
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the Marines can sit there if they can, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: stand all the missile barrages and things like that. But
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: quite frankly, Iran will look for other ways pipelines, et cetera,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to get their oil out. But in the meantime, what
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is Iran's plan? And you mentioned it, they're collecting tolls,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: so as these ships pass, as they go out, they're
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: paying tolls. And if you start looking at it, even
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: if they only let out twenty percent of you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the two million barrels a day at the rate they're collecting,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they will make up all the revenue that they're losing
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: because they can't export oil themselves, so and that it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: all being paid in rem and B they don't need
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to do anything, so, you know Scott Bessen is saying
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is nonsense. A. They can't export the oil in large
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: measure through there, so saying that you can export oil
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: is kind of nonsensical. And then this idea that somehow
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: we're going to jiu jitsu you and take your money
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: because you're too stupid to understand what I just told
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you I was going to do. That doesn't work. Iranians
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: are not stupid. It's a long, long history of civilization
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: there and extremely you know, sophisticated businessmen, engineers. They're not
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: fooled by Scott Besson at all. So it's kind of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a it's a head scratcher. Why why is he telling
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: them the plan that doesn't even make sense? And the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: only thing you can think of it's for public consumption.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Once again, keep the headlines away from the the Epstein Files,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: which continues to have a life of its own despite
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: all of the things that are going on. I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it just seems to me like almost daily there's another
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Trump you know, MAGA supporter who's being arrested for diddling
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: little children or exchanging child pornography. And these are the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: people screaming about pedophilia, accusing Democrats of you know, drinking
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the blood of babies and running you know, child sex
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: operations in the basement of a pizza parlor. Of unfortunately,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the pizza parlay does not have a basement. But you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: these are the kind of nonsensical things they're saying. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: now we understand that the people saying it, many of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: them were in fact involved in pedophilia themselves. So it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it's very strange stuff.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I think if they work drags an longer, I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: this whole you Wrong War fiasco might even hit him
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: harder even than Epstein Viles because you can see now
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: even JD. Vance is quietly distant himself. You know, he
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: hasn't appeared in many places. You know, he hasn't said
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: anything about the Yarrong War because he know, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he will jeopardize his his wrong for twenty twenty eight
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if you've seen too close to trump position on they
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Wrong War. So yeah, I think I think Trump knows this. Uh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: but you know it's Trump. It's hard to tell because
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: one one day he will tweet out he has you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he he wants us out, we're watching our hands, it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: not our business. And the next day he will say,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like today, he just said, we're gonna bomb them back
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to Stone Ages.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I don't think it takes a day.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I think his record is two hours he switched from
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: we're out of here too, I'm gonna blast them. Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: They're not consistent in terms in terms of JD. Vance.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I mean, he's when he did campaign for president,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and he campaigned on this issue that these are stupid
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: wars that were costly and that we're ruining America. It's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: very hard to bring him to go back on that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Of course, he said the same things about Trump, that
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: he would never be a never Trumper, that this was
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a you know, a con man, the worst character ever,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: habitual liar. Uh, you know, anything you want to say
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: bad about Trump, he actually said. But you know, the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: lure of power for many people and his backers. Remember
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Peter Thiel has put about two hundred and fifty million
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: dollars into you know, J. D. Bans's career, and you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: this is a group that in essence wants to bankrupt
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the governments so they can privatize it, and they do
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: not believe in democracy. They say that there there courtesy Arvin,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: who is their their you know, main philosophical sage has.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Dark enlightenment, dark doctor light and philosophy.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And then you know, if you doubt anything I'm saying,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: just please, you know, go to volunteer and look up
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the president and listen to anything he's then you'll be
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: convinced that the Satanic cult is alive and well in
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the tech bro area. But the reason I mentioned the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: positioning of Advance is that Rubio and Vance are perceived
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as rivals in terms of trying to run for the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Republican ticket. I don't think at this point there's any
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: real chance that either one of them could do it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: But maybe they weighed out a couple of terms or
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: something like that, and they try to reinvent themselves. But
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: now Rubio is TRD. He can no longer run away
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: from Trump's record or this war, and so he's kind
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: of lost. Now he represents the traditional Neo Khan pro
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Israel military industrial complex, but also this group, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and we talked last time that are this blood and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: soil group. This is blood and soil refers back to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a German philosophy. For his works were then used as
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: a kind of a basis for Nazism, this idea that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the blood and the soil are mixed, and that you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: any kind of foreign blood coming in is wrong. This is,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the basis of the Jews are outsiders and
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: we need to get rid of them, so we should
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: we should burn up five million or six million in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: ovens and kill them. But it was also the reason
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: they they you know, just persecuted Poles. You know, millions
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of Poles died in labor camps and things like that,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: are slaughtered, as well as Gypsies, people who had disabilities.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, this was this was across the board. It
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't just the Jews who suffered under this, It was
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: just anybody. And what they did to Russians when they
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: got them was unspeakable. So you're you're in the situation
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: now where he can't really walk away from that. So
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: his star has diminished. Obviously, JD. Vans is trying to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: position his star to be, you know, somewhat apart from this,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to run outside. What's unusual about this is that I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: think from Trump's perspective, if he can't pardon himself, he's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: certain to pardon his family and probably many of his
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: cabinet members. I mean, he's already, you know, basically pardoned
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: most of the white collar criminals in the United States
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: based on a little consideration here two million here, two millionaire,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: two billionaire, et cetera. They've been able to buy their freedom.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: So I don't think you have any hesitation about pardoning
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: his cabinet members, especially if it's necessary to keep them quiet.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But then there's this issue about what does he do
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: about himself, because there are questions whether the president can
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: pardon himself because in essence says the president is beyond
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the law. The Supreme Court gave him a gift last
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: time by saying that if the president in his official
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: capacity does anything, they cannot be prosecuted criminally. So but
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: this is a secondary question, and I think the Supreme
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Court would say no, you know, everybody, including the president,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: is subject to the law if it's outside his official capacity,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and enriching yourself the way that he's doing and his
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: family is doing is a clear case of violation. Of
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: all every ethic rules that there is. I mean, it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: just incredible. You know, you start seeing these spikes before
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: he makes announcement announcements, there are these spikes in people
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: who obviously have some knowledge about it, and they're not
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: trying to be subtly. You know, they're making millions of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: dollars on these predictions and things like this. It can
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: all be traced back to him and his children. So
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: he needs somebody's I think he's hoping he can get
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: somebody a public and to pardon him. His other alternative
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: is to resign two days before you know, he's he
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: leaves office. Automatically, Vance would become president and then he
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: would have the power just as Gerald Ford did to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: when he pardoned Nixon, uh to in essence pardon Trump.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And this is an area where I'm certain he's thinking
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: about that. He doesn't want to get too on the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: opposite side of of Jdi Vance if he's depending on
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: him for this this pardon. So generally, if he sees
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: somebody who's unloyal, we've seen his tantrums, you know, find them,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: kill them, you know they're traders and all this type
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of stuff. But for some reason he's he's kept vance
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: on the side.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, does the market manipulation is so blatant.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: He will will come up right before the market opens
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: on Monday. He will come out and make a statement
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: about this negotiation. We're talking with your audions, we work
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: out a deal. They're reasonable, and the market rallies, and.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Then Friday after the market clothes, he's like, we're going
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: to bomb the back to stunge ages.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: And every time the wealth market market did not rise
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: after a speech. Yeah, let's talk about the speech. Yes, yes, Carl,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I mean you look at him. I mean, this is
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: not the same a brilliant guy who was you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: on the campaign trays trails, smirking and dancing his little
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: dance and things like this and oh you love me,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I love you, all this stuff.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: It was a defeated man, man who is prematurely aged.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I mean he's already older. But if you start looking
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: at him, he's really haggard, and he was trying to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: do his thing, miss weave. And this is what they
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: actually call it in the White House. They call it
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the Trump weave. Where you take unconnected issues, for instance, inflation,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and you say it's somehow to do with Iran, that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Iron's a terrorist state and therefore there's inflation. Because if
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: you go through the speech, he'll notice that he'll mention
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the war Iran terrorism, and then he'll switch to inflation
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and jobs and you know, all these expectations and things
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: like that. So you can't really if you're not if
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: you're not paying too much attention, you'll get this sense
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: that somehow it's not his fault. And that really is
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: what he was trying to poorsh to to not only Americans,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: but to the world. I mean, as we were talking
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: about this idea that I started a war, I don't
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: tell you. I just go in. In fact, I'm trying
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to you think. I'm working on a peace plan, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the peace plan is going so well. The Iranians that
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: have given up what I said was my problem, which
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was the you know, I said, Okay, we'll give you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: all of our urn rich fuel and you can take
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: them somewhere else. And instead of going forward, he's you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: he has this attack that's been planned a couple of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: weeks before, when bb NET and Yaho showed up at
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the White House for four days and you know, they said, okay,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: we need to attack, so there was no good faith
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in the negotiations, which of course destroys trust. And this
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: isn't the first time he's done it. He did it
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the last time when they were talking peace. So he
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: attacks them, doesn't tell anybody. The world is surprised, shocked.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the world knows about the straits of poor Moose,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and especially in the United States government. Do you go
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: back thirty years, there's white paper after white paper saying,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the problem with doing anything with Iran is
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the straits of porn Moose. They can close it, they
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: can mine it. You know, it's so narrow. They can
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: have a couple of guys and you know, like water
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: speedboats with rocket launched grenade launchers, and they could take
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: out ships. I mean ships are not oil tankers surprisingly
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: are not armored. All right, They're not not there to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: withstand attacks by anything. They're supposed to get the oil
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: safely from one place to another. A couple of rocket
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: propelled the grenades in the right place, and you go boom.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And this is the insurance companies have basically said, we're
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: not We're not going to touch this. You know, you
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: go through there, it's on your own and so he's
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: he starts this war crazy, creates all this problems. All
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the bases in the Middle Eastern countries, especially GCC, of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: course get attacked because Iran says, well, you're complicit, you're
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: helping them the You know, these these countries and the GCC.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I know many people from there, and they always said, well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: an American base is a shield. No one's going to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: attack America. So you know, that was their theory until
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: they realized that their shield had become a massive target
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for an attack by Israel in the US on Iran.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: So they're in this terrible situation now where you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Iran is striking out at them because they say you're complicit,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and it has ruined their economies. We're talking tens of
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: trillions of dollars of investment. Think of all the sports
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: teams and that, you know, the in the Middle East
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that they've been buying to try to create an environment
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: which is about sports and living their business environment. You know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: buy condos, how many you know, everyone knows somebody who
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: lives in Dubai, and they were doing trying to create
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: a business environment that was safe. With these attacks, it's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: really hard to see how that's going to recover, at
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: least not until there's total stability in the Middle East.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: So this is a real, real hardship for the countries
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: around them. And you know, and but Iran is saying, look,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: we're alone in the world and our only response is economic.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: The only thing we can do is take down the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: United States, and the only way we can do that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is not militarily. The only way we can do that
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: is attack the understructure of American finance. Attack the area
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: where the US is soft and it's thirty nine trillion
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: dollar deficit on its dependence on the oil dollar to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you know, buy up all these treasury bonds and things
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: like this. So, yeah, they knew that if they increase
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the price of oil, this would have you know, I mean,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: if they close the strait so increases the price of oil,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this would have a horror, you know, a very very
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: sharp effect on the United States. The problem is countries
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that have nothing to do with this, who might even
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: have great sympathies towards Iran, are also feeling the pain.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you have countries that have no reserves and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: they're they're exposed. They they don't have nothing, and you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you look in India, they're trying their best to try
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to keep the the uh, the energy flowing, especially when
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: it comes to you know, tractors which need diesel because
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: this is the planting season and they just you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the farmers are running out. They don't want to discuss
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it too much, or they're trying to subsidize it. But
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: you know, the prices have gone up and these these
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: farmers were not making billions of dollars. They were very
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: much hand to mouth, and now they have increased, you
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: know costs that and also fertilizer because from the from
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: gas from natural gas, there's a process which you strip
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: out the the I'm sorry, the nitrogen. Nitrogen. Yeah, the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: nitrogen is used for fertilizer. And that's about the stuff
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that was coming through the middle through the Gulf. There
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: was about twenty percent of the world's fertilizer. So all
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you don't have the fertilizer need, which
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: is going to reduce your production anywhere from fifteen to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent. And then you don't have the you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the petrol or the diesel to run your tractor to
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: actually do the planting. And if you miss the planting season,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: then you've lost the whole crop. So this is extremely
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: dire form many people the world. We're expecting a food shock.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Regardless if tomorrow all right, the straits of our moves
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: opened up and there is no things. The effects of
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: this will be felt through the rest of the year.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: In terms of food shock, I mean in all sorts
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of areas, is the the supply chain does not recover
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: in a couple of days or weeks. There has been
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: real damage done, and then you start adding up the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: damage that it's being done to the processing facilities. Right,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: twenty percent of the world's gas comes from Qatar. Two
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: out of five of their liquification you know, they have
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a huge liquification thinks, which I was telling you. You
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: have to cool down the gas in order to make
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it into a liquid so you can put it on
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a boat that has been attacked. And two out of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the five notes I believe have been destroyed and they're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: not doing any right now because you know it's under attack.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: So you know, that was the stuff that was going
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to be used for not only heating homes and running things,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: but also for you know, fertilizer. So there are huge
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: impacts all this, but you start looking around the Middle
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: East at the number of plants that have been destroyed,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You're talking about five percent of the world's processing capacity
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: between oil and gas. That doesn't go away, that continues.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So that's another added factor on top of the fact
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that you can't get it out that even if you can,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it's there's still going to be an increase. Now remember
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: five percent right in nineteen seventy nine, and then later
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: with the Ukrainian War, five percent double the price of
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: oil and gas. So this is a situation there were
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: short sparks and spics in Europe were went up six times.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: When I'm saying that overall, if you looked at over
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the year, it literally double the price of those energy sources.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: So I mean, no matter what happens, we're going to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: continue to have a lasting shock. So Trump is, Wow,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: he's all of a sudden, somebody explained it to him.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe they use and I don't know, I don't know
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: how you explain anything. He doesn't read anything, so somebody would,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I guess have to tell him. He says, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you're you started something that you cannot finish, and this
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: is going to ruin your chances in the mid term elections,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you're going to be responsible for a global recession or depression,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: which is even more serious. And you know, you've gosh
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: alienated all of your supposed allies except Israel, who just
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: announced that they're not going to put any boots on
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the ground in any in Iran. They're going to leave
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: that to American soldiers if in fact they do go in.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But I mean, Carl, you know what I don't understand is,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Iran is four times the size of Iraq.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It has three and a half times more people, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: it has these mountain ranges, not one, not two, but
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: three big mountain range which very very very difficult to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: get to get into. It doesn't matter how many bombs
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you have, you know, you have different valleys and things
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like that. It's just it's literally, very very difficult to
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: have a military win there, as Iraq found out when
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: they had the Iraqi Iran War. So to the invasion
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of the Rock the first time around, there were seven
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand American troops mobilized over six months,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and then coalition forces brought that total number up to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a million. So let's see here, if you're going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: invade Iran, and it's four times the size and three
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: and a half times as many people. You're going to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: have to have a lot more troops and that's going
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to take a lot of logistics, and it's going to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: take time. And you know, sending eight thousand marines in
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: there or threatening to is it's either insane. And you've
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: already heard the Iranians say bring it on. We're waiting
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: for them. We have a very warm welcoming party arranged
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: for them. And this is about right. There's no way
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: eight thousand marines, no matter how much they're backed by anything,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: can actually go in and be a substantial invasion for us.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: It's not even clear that they could take carg Island.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But as I said, they have the island. Iran continues
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to have revenue from, you know, basically taking tolls from
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: any ships coming in and out of the of the straits.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: So none of this makes sense to me. That's why
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I said at the very beginning, when people are saying, oh,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: do you think there's going to be a war, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: said no. I said the reason there won't be a
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: real war. I thought he might like fire a few
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: missiles into the air and claim victory and run home
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: again like you did during the last Twelve Day war,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: because there's no way out. Once you light this dumpster
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: on fire, it does not go out, it just spreads.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And that's what we've seen. It went from a war
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: with Iran now to a regional war, and now it's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: becoming international.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: The crazy thing is, you know there are a US
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: planner who are well aware of this, because I just
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: saw on Twitter somebody digged out an interview with Brazinski
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: back in twenty twelve where Brazinski said Iran can hurt
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: us a lot. Can you imagine what consequences would be
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to us? You know, if Iraq was massively destabilized, if
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the Harangue was set on fire, if the northeastern oil
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: fields in Saudi Arabia were attacked, the consequences, the cost
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: would be cumulative. The global economy will be affected. So
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: we're playing with fire here. So they knew there are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: people in the US Upper echlank that knew the conclu
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: They had reports coming out in twenty twenty two. This is,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: like I said, they've gone back thirty years. Coincidentally, about
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: thirty years ago was when Netan Yahoo decided that he
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: did not want to negotiate peace for Israel. What he
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: wanted to do was basically weaken all countries around Israel
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and that you know, the last piece of that puzzible
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: was of course Iran. But you know, because it's a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: thousand kilometers away, they couldn't and there's only seven and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: a half million Juice and the ninety two million Iranians.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: They couldn't do it themselves. They had to rely on
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the US and they've seven presidents said no, why because
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: over that period, every single intelligence and military group has said,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: can't do it. The damage would be you know, outstanding.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, Brazinski wasn't saying anything new. He was simply repeating,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you know, the studies that had been done over this
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: long period of time. And you know, but Donald Trump
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: did it. The only reason I can think that he
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: did it was that he wanted to keep the Epstein
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: files off the front page, which it did do for
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a few days. But you know, the idea of pedophilia
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and there's so many names in there, and you know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: it looks like there's an elite cabal which is running
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the US and as at the same time that they're pedophiles.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is not going to go away. I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: don't know why he thinks it will, even if he leaves.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: You know, he says he's going to leave. It doesn't
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: matter what he does. Iran will continue to use the
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: straight sup poor mouse as a you know, basically as
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a lever, and also to replace the lost economic value
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of their oil. That continues. So you know, his latest thing,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: as we knew even before he went into Iran, is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to take over Cuba. Now Cuba cannot
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: defend itself. It's in blackout, being rationed with you know, oil.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, the the Russians have sent a tanker there
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and they promised to send more. Mexico has sent rice
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, China has on boatloads of rice. Mexico
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: has been sending Indian intermediate goods, spare parts and things
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: like this, and a little bit of energy. But you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: he at any time, the US can go in there
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and they can take over an island that's been impoverished
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: because of the sanctions that we put on them. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it's really a shame. I mean, I don't know why
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: he thinks that will be enough to keep Epstein off
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: file off the front pages. I doubt it will. I mean,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: they can't put out much of a fight. They don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: have any food. Even if they retreat to the jungle,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: they still have to eat. They still have to have
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: armaments and things like that, and they might be prepared,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: but it's just not enough, unfortunately. But it could lead
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: to a very uncomfortable situation where you still have an
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: insurgency which is going against whatever US interests. Basically what
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: happened in Afghanistan, remember, I mean the three hundred and
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand troops that we trained in Afghanistan, local troops
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: plus our own troops were defeated by thirty to forty
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: thousand Taliban people. You know, they didn't have tanks. They
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: basically just had jeeps with machine guns and rocket propelled canades.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: They didn't have a navy, they certainly didn't have an
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: air force, and yet we were traced out. So it
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: gives you the idea of the asymmetry of war. As
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it has developed, drones and missiles technology have replaced the tank,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the submarine, and the aircraft carrier. So it's it's a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: changeing world. But for some reason, the Pentagon hasn't quite
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: caught up there.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Well, this is where I want to maybe talk about
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the recent Pakistan China joined peace proposal. I mean, this
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: comes at this particular juncture when we know, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Trump on one hand really want to look for exit ramp,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: but on the other hand he can't because it's not
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: up to him anymore whether the war and so so
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that first of all, it was Pakistan and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: China's joint proposal because Pakistan, in addition to being very
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: close to China, is also very close to all the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: GCC countries and also United States. So there's a highly possible,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: there's a high like good that before the Pakistan for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: minutes their traveled to Beijing to see Wang Yi, he
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: probably have already convene, uh you know with the GCC
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: heads and even even in form the United States, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: he's an intention of going to Beijing to do this.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So and the fact that Washington hasn't said anything, I think,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you know, can be seen maybe as attack can sort
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of approval, you know, you know, or hoping this this
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: will do something. What what what's your take on this? What?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: What is your take on this piece propose? Okay, okay,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: so the one one thing to happen that people have
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to realize is that China and the US operate differently.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: China doesn't start wars, it's not projecting power, it's not
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: threatening anybody. It does respond. If you put tariffs on China,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: they will put tariffs on you. If you do something
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: against China, they will do it. So it's more a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: tip for tap. You you hit them, they'll they'll hit back.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: But it's defensive in nature. Uh, they China. You know
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of people ask, oh, why hasn't China waiting
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: in Okay? So how would this work? China does not
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: have a clear path. They don't have an army that's
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: geared towards offensive actions. And if they did try to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: do that at this point in an unprepared way, they
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: would be running up against the United States directly to
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: major nuclear powers. That is not going to help the world.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, we could look be looking at a nuclear
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: confrontation that is un you know, an unknown which could
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: be literally world ending. So China, and it doesn't fit
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: with China's idea. They say, they don't say that armed,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: armed conflict is a way to settle this. So and
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: they also they're not in a position to say we're
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: going to pay for everything, or that we're going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: dictate the terms. This would be the US way of
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: doing it. You know, it's this old clause thing. I'm
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: going to tell you what to do and you're going
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: to do it, or I'm going to you know, literally
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: beat the hell out of you and you're going to
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: be sorry. And that's exactly what Trump has been saying
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to Iran. You know, either give me what I want
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: or I'll bomb you even more as if he hasn't
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: been bombing them, you know, took out out their leaders.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to say. I mean,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: how much more can he do? He says he's going
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: to take out all of the electrical facilities. Okay, so
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: everyone's in the dark. I mean, you've destroyed the economy.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You know, you can keep going lower and lower. They've
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: taken on schools. Two days ago, they bombed a factory
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: that made cancer medicines. You know, I mean, obviously that's
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: for psychological effect, but in terms of China's vision, they say, look,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: this only way to have a lasting piece is not
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: to force terms on the parties. First, you have to
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: trust to sit around the table and of course, Iran,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, doesn't trust the US, as the US
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: has used negotiations as a subterfuge for war attacks. So
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Iran if and when it comes, well not if at
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: some point Iran comes to the table, but from their perspective,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: they want when they're at the table, they want the
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: United States that has been severely weakened economically and is
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: in a position where it also wants peace. It doesn't
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: want to continue. Then the issue about Israel, and you
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: know the one hundred and eighteen one hundred and twenty
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: nuclear devices that they have, you know, how do you
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: deal with them? I mean, an ideal situation would be
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: all US bases leave the area, Israel gives up their
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, they all sign a non nuclear proliferation, the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: IAE is given full access to it, the US pays
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: reparations for uh it's uh it's actions uh this unwarranted attack,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and sanctions are lifted. Chances of that happening right now
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: pretty much zero. We haven't gotten to the point where,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: like the Westphalian peace, where the two sides are so
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: tired and bankrupt from war that they are willing to
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: say okay u b u and will be us and
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: we just don't need to fight. We know where the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: you know where the lines are drawn in terms of borders,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and we're not going to interfere with your stuff. You
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: don't interfere with ours. I don't know that we've reached
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: that point, but that at some point that's where the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: world has to be because Iran's actions are affecting the world.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: It's not just affecting us, and there has to be
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: a global reaction. Cannot it's not just Pakistan with China
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: supporting it. It's going to have to involve the bricks.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: The EU would be wonderful. The organizations that represent South America,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Asian and also the stands and Africa. They come together
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: as a group and say, look, this is just one
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: point where we're coming together because we have to tell
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the United States stop with your nonsensical tariffs. If you
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: want to tear if your people find, but the tariffs
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: will be uniform across the board and that's up to you.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: And no more attacking other nations. And they say to Iran,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: you have to open up the Straits of Hormuz. The
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: sanctions have to be to be dropped. Now, what leverage
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: would such a group have the leverage they have as
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: they can say to both is that if you do
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: not abide by this, you will be ostracized from the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: global financial and trade system. The US imports trillions of
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: dollars in the US economy cannot exist without its imports,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and that is the leverage that the world needs to
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: use in order to bring this whole thing down to
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: someplace where you can at least gather around the table.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: These other groups who do have the trust of both parties,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: or at least are known to both parties and have
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: some leverage in terms of this economic cloud, can say
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: it's time to bury the hatchet and not in each other.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: And that's the only way I can see this going.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: So China's role here is not to say, okay, we
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: know what's good for everybody. They're coming in and say
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: we need to establish first trust first, stop stop killing
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: each other, stop destroying things. Then we need to sit
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: down and figure out how this would work. But it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: not going to be a situation where China is sitting
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: at the head of the table telling people what they do.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: What they see themselves is we're building a table that
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: people can sit around, but actually settling this is going
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: to depend on, you know, a consensus on cooperation recognizing
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: mutual interest. And this is something which is very very
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: new to us, you know, us colonial powers, they never
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: really did this. They go to war with each other,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: take each other's stuff, where they take stuff from other
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: nations that couldn't defend themselves, and this is the way
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: that they got rich and also maintain their power. The
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: world is too small for that, and it's now multipolar,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: and these developed countries need the resources that the globals
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: now has. Is the leverage point that has to be
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: used in order to create a world that hopefully I
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: can get along and not have all these conflicts and wars.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with everything you said, but
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: unfortunately I also agree with your reading that neither side
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: at this point has reached that point of total exhaustion
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: where they would sit down and try to reach a
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: piece agreement. You know, Trump, they just had come up
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: with an even crazier plan than sending marine to carg Island.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: He now wants to send special forces to extract your
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: own's new clear material. I mean, I've never heard more
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I've never heard a more stupid plan than that. You like,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: if you think sending marines to take carg Island it's
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: going to be hard. Sending special forces deep into the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: mountains of your going to on their ground to retrieve.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: The new clear material.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's that's the disastery that making.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: But you know, you have to understand that this isn't realistic.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe some some idiot who doesn't really have any real
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: combat experience or strategy I should say strategy experience, like Hegsath,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: maybe he says, oh yeah, well, you know, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: well it's like the movies. Well we'll send in the
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: the special squad and they'll run down their you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: mission impossible type stuff. That's not reality. And the fact
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: is if they think that the you know, the Iranians
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: will know they're coming, they're dug in. How is that
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: going to work? What You're going to blow it all up?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Have nuclear radiation all over the place. I mean, Trump
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't think these things out, So the only thing I
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: can come to is that he's gotten game bad advice.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: But he also likes these ideas because they keep the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Epstein files off the front page. And this is his
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: main thing. I mean, every day now they're coming out
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: with where are these files. Why are everything that relates
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to Trump being you know, hidden, especially you know these
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: allegations that he raped little girls, which were found credible.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: You know, why wasn't this included? Right? Why is it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: all the stuff things? And then you know, people start
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: wondering about the other three million pages that aren't being released.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Why the lawmakers you don't have a choice. You have
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to release them. Is you're going against the law by
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: not releasing them.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: You know, like a month and a half ago before
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: the war started, when I had you and you said,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Trump will have to keep on escalating, creating more and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: more distractions to get away from an Epstein file. This
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: is what I'm afraid of, because right now we are
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: entering a very dangerous phase of the war. The Marines
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: and eighty second Airborne are on the way to you wrong,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and according to the latest report, the US is actually
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to point a total of seventeen thousand ground troops to Yuron,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: in addition to the fifty thousand troops that's already in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the Middle East. I mean, this has like Vietnam Ritty
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: all over it. I I'm afraid of.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: No, it has exactly same. You can go back to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: the Iraq war in Afghanistan, every single one of these,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: and they say the same thing will be in and out,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: and you know, a few weeks, most of the month,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and it just goes over and then people
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: start dying and it becomes a forever war and things
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like that. These are just the things that American administrations say,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: it's in, it's in the playbook, promise them anything. But
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, none of it works. And this
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: is really what is strange is having the experience that
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: we've had over these many years with these countries that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: we've invaded. It hasn't worked out. Where have we won,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: right Where has there been a lasting piece that we've
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: created through war? It has happened. So, you know, the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: over again expecting a different result. And that right now,
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  Speaker 2: to the rest of the world, the United States looks
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  Speaker 2: insane and in terms of escalating, unfortunately, that's all he
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  Speaker 2: has left he has to distract people. There was you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of pundits before the speech he gave. I
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  Speaker 2: thought he was going to offer something up to the
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  Speaker 2: American people, you know, the checks and the mail, that
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  Speaker 2: type of thing. He said that a couple of times
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't happened, but you know, maybe that was the
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  Speaker 2: way to promise something to keep things off. But there
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  Speaker 2: was a man who was totally defeated, alternating between I'm
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  Speaker 2: out of here too, I'm going to you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to bomb you back to the Stone ages. It's
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  Speaker 2: just it's not good. He's running out of options. And
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  Speaker 2: the escalation, as you pointed out, you know, where how
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  Speaker 2: do you escalate from here? How do you escalate from
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  Speaker 2: a war that's uh, you know, could have could have
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  Speaker 2: started World War three. So it's it's it is worrying
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  Speaker 2: in terms of what he's going to do next. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, the only thing we know for certain is
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  Speaker 2: as soon as he pulls away from Iran, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to go after Cuba as a diversion. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: hurt a lot of people. It's not going to solve
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  Speaker 2: the problems in Ukraine, or solve the problems in Iran,
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  Speaker 2: or the problems throughout the world. I mean, right now
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  Speaker 2: everyone's talking about Pakistan, but Pakistan is in the actual
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  Speaker 2: war with Afghanistan. I mean, this is not These are
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  Speaker 2: not subtled times. You go to public of Congo they
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  Speaker 2: have a civil war going on there, I mean around
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  Speaker 2: the world. When the supper, those of adults, the great
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  Speaker 2: powers are ignoring all conventions, all laws, all institutions. It
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  Speaker 2: gives a green light for other nations to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: if no one's going to abide by the rules, why
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  Speaker 2: should I. I'm just going to take my chances try
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  Speaker 2: to grab it. But you know, this war is opening
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  Speaker 2: up of a new aspect which is very worrying. In addition,
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  Speaker 2: well it's all worrying but water. You know, some of
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  Speaker 2: the golf countries are ninety percent dependent on desalination plants.
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  Speaker 2: They take the sea water and they make it into
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  Speaker 2: fresh water. If their desalination plants are attacked, these people
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  Speaker 2: have to leave. There's no other alternative. And you're starting
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  Speaker 2: to look at you know what that would look like
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  Speaker 2: in terms of refugees, millions of refugees flooding into to
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  Speaker 2: other areas, other areas, especially in the Middle East, which
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: are already problematic because of what Israel has done and
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  Speaker 2: the US is supported. This is not going in the
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  Speaker 2: right direction. And water is something you can't live without.
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  Speaker 2: And quite frankly, places like Yemen, there are wars over
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  Speaker 2: water in the sub Saharan Africa. There are wars over water.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one tribe will go to another tribe and
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  Speaker 2: take their water and kill everybody. It's just it's something
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  Speaker 2: you can't live without, and no one is trying to
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  Speaker 2: solve the problem. Instead, they think that adding more guns,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: bombs and bullets is going to somehow solve it. And
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  Speaker 2: we know that this is not the way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's puzzling to me always. How you know they
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  Speaker 2: use these same old tired scripts as you were pointing out,
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  Speaker 2: to justify wars that have no point, that will end
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  Speaker 2: over a negotiating table, but under the table will be
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  Speaker 2: the blood and bodies of innocent civilians in addition to combatants.
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  Speaker 2: Just doesn't make sense from a rational point of view.
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  Speaker 2: But we've been doing this as a human race for
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  Speaker 2: far too long. We don't seem to have learned well.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the problem is the decision maker
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  Speaker 1: who led us into those awards. They have never been
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  Speaker 1: held accountable. I mean, like nobody is ever getting punished,
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  Speaker 1: and so they can get away with it. They can
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  Speaker 1: get away with it and make everybody else pay the price,
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  Speaker 1: like Trump is making the whole world paying the price.
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  Speaker 1: For his foolish ward over you run right now.
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  Speaker 2: But the absolute whiles that's that's the weirdest thing about
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  Speaker 2: it is he's attacked another country to cover up the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he is implicated in child pornography or how
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  Speaker 2: to Feel You.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because American president, they don't get you peaceful
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  Speaker 1: starting awards. You know, he might get you peached for
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  Speaker 1: it for epstein filed, but you're not gonna get impeachful
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  Speaker 1: for starting award.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, at this point, Carl, going back to what you
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  Speaker 2: said earlier, it's going to be he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: impeached for just pure corruption.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know what his kids have done. You know, his
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  Speaker 2: net worth has gone up by five billion dollars in
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: the last year. I mean, wait, what can you say?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this hasn't been a good year for everybody,
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  Speaker 2: and yet he's making out like a bandit and his
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  Speaker 2: kids are still running around his His older kid bought
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: a drone American Drone company for a pittance and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, the next day they got these massive contracts
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: from the from the military, from the Pentagon, and all
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, the value you know what he made,
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  Speaker 2: He made hundreds millions of dollars. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 2: it's they're not trying to hide it, which which is
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: the very odd point things And the only conclusion I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: can come to is they just say, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what we do, Dad will pardon us. Will keep the
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  Speaker 2: money because once the pardon kicks in, we don't have
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: to pay it back. That's where you know, there's you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars and medicate fraud. Remember he's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: going after the Somalians in Minnesota and the theory that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: they've taken you know, tens of millions of dollars. Meanwhile,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: people who've been convicted and those are allegations there there
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: is some truth to it. There was fraud there. But
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: you know, guys who were convicted of over one hundred
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars worth of medical fraud not paying their employees
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: have been miraculously after a couple of months in jail
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  Speaker 2: giving full pardons, meaning they don't have to pay the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: money back, no fine, it's done. So, I mean, this
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: is a kleptocrapsy. It's being run for profit, and Donald
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Trump is just he wants to keep it going as
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  Speaker 2: long as he can. Then pardon everybody and you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: from his point of view, whatever happens, uh, the family
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: is going to be rich.
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  Speaker 1: Well on that happy note, we can wrap up this
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  Speaker 1: this episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's this will cheer you up. I'm sorry. I wish,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I wish I could say that there are you know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: good good in the future, but I don't.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Right, I know because this, you know, I mean that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: people talk about Trump is going to pay in the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: coming midterm election, the military elections in November, straight horriblest
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: threemain close until November.
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  Speaker 2: You know this, We're really really deep trouble, deep deep trouble.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: So this is what I am worry about. But if
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: if people want to listen to your you know, follow
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: you for more gym of your wisdom, I in r
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: where would they go?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Well, if the if the, if they if they feel
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: compelled and they're really bored. I'm at Asian narratives sub stack.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: So if I write there occasionally a couple of times
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a week, Unfortunately I can't tell you that it's going
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to be uh a happy uh like you think I do.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Try when possible to point to what I think, uh,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: the possibilities how we can get things out. Try to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: put a little sunlight into the darkness. But uh yeah,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: right now, it's very, very, very difficult. You know, I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: was reading writing a piece about war and the fact
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: that you know, everyone talks about refugees and casualties and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: injured and things like that, and they're absolutely right to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: do that. That's we should give every country pause. But
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: the violence and the you know, the legacy of it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: goes much deeper in order to dehumanize. If you look
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: at how Israeli has convinced their soldiers that Palestinians and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Arabs are less than human and they can be killed
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: like cockroaches. It should be killed, even children. You know
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: that they are going to be long term problems. How
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: do those people return to society, how do they raise
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: the kids, how they become productive members? And that what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: happens when they become these monsters is going to carry
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: on for generations. And unfortunately, the victims who survive this
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: kind of violence, they're going to be looking for revenge,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: and they're also going to believe that the only way
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: to get revenge is war. So you know, every time
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: you have a war, you're perpetuating the next war. And
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't something unique that I've said This
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  Speaker 2: has been said for you know, many many years, going
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: back to the ancient philosophers. They knew that. Uh, And
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: unfortunately we continue. So let's hope, let's hope that we
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: learn at some point maybe AI can make us more
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: cognizant of our of our history.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Well, AI, you wrong, is waging the war against AI
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: right now. They're they're they're targeting Volunteer, They're targeting fall.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: They said volunteers data centers in the golf region are
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: legitimate target which I agree because Volunteer has been deeply
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: embedded with US military, including selecting targets in yourang.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, well, not not only only a worldwide
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Pallenteers supplying information to regular police force. So when when
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: they go and check your car registration, everything about you
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: comes up, including your bank accounts, when you last took
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: money out, how much money went in. Uh, they know
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: everything about you. I mean, there's there's no privacy. In fact,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: if you talk to Palenteer, they'll tell you that they
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: don't believe in privacy, that all data has to be theirs,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: and that they'll distribute it. And this is where I'm going.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Palenteer is Peter Thiel. That's directly connected to advance to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: dark enlightenment and this idea that the government needs to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: be done away with so that it can be privatized
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: by these tech titans who will rule us because we're unruly.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: And if you listen to these tech goo you know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: the tech tycoons and the media outlet they sponsored, they
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: will tell you China is the problem because you know
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: everything they're doing, they're cut China of doing that. And
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: then they tell you you should be scared of China
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: because China, the Chinese ev is gathering your data and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: sending it back to Beijing.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: It's not only there. I mean almost everything that Trump
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: does he first accuses other people of doing or accuses
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: them afterwards. Whoever he's talking about fraud, there's no bigger
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: fraud than him. He complained about Biden giving out you know,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: all these pardons. What is he doing? I mean, it's classic.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: You always know what Trump's going to do because he
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: accuses something of doing exactly what he intends to do. Remember,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: he accused he accused Obama. He said Obama is going
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: to start a war with Iran to avert attention from
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: you know, his economy.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: Ooh yeah, you know if somebody invent a time machine
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: and travel back to twenty sixteen and tell them what
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: will happen in the future, I don't think anybody will
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: believe them.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Simpsons, you know, the ultimate parody was to say that,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Donald Trump was president and we're talking twenty
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: five years ago. This was a joke, and now we're
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: living with a joke. As they say, you elect the clown,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: you get a circus. Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, uh Einar again for making the time
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: to speak to us in this very unsettled times. And
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I love to have you back my audience of you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope I didn't interrupt you too much because
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I receive a lot of complaints last time, say, Carl,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: don't interrupt, and when he's talking.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I think he makes more sense than I do, so
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I think they I think they're just trying to be polite.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much, Einar, and everybody else, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for tuning in until next time.
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  Speaker 2: Bye bye,