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DIRTY DIDDY MISTRIAL? 'HOTEL NIGHT' MOUTH SORES & UTIs GROSS OUT JURY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dirty Diddy mistrial after all
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Speaker 1: of this, as we learn, hotel night mouth sores and
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Speaker 1: urinary tract infections are grossing out the jury. Good evening.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, joining us an
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Speaker 1: all star panel, but first straight out to the Monahan
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Speaker 1: Federal Courthouse. Standing by special guests, Tissa tells investigator commentator,
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Speaker 1: host of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What's the latest from the courtroom today?
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Speaker 2: The latest on the courtroom today is Diddy's team is spiraling.
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Speaker 2: Why because that motion for mistrial the prosecution let it sit.
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Speaker 2: They came in today and they axig judge, can you
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Speaker 2: let us adjust this tomorrow now? Why are people on
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Speaker 2: the inside of the courtroom saying, and of course the
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Speaker 2: gossip street.
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Speaker 3: Saying why this is a bad thing is because did
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Speaker 3: he want it?
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Speaker 2: To try to weigh a way to slow down or
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Speaker 2: stop Janeo's testimony. A lot of people have been saying
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Speaker 2: it sounds like a jealous girlfriend. He was paying rent.
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Speaker 2: I really don't know what to think today it gets dark.
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Speaker 2: Jane Doe is expected to testify that did he did
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Speaker 2: a Cassie. He brutally assaulted her, bruised her up, blacked
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Speaker 2: her eye, then made her put on makeup, perform and
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Speaker 2: do a freak golf hotel night whatever did He's calling
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Speaker 2: it these days, and to do it, Jane Doe has
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Speaker 2: messages and whatever. Now on the ground did He's team
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Speaker 2: since his pr people on the ground since last Thursday
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Speaker 2: have been trying to connect with bloggers.
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Speaker 3: They've been trying to connect with YouTubers.
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Speaker 2: They've been trying to cozy up the press because it
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Speaker 2: seems like as much as they say that Janejoe's testimony
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Speaker 2: is a non starter, they are waiting for the other
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Speaker 2: shoot job.
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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of tension and Judge Aaron
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Speaker 3: he called.
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Speaker 2: A mysterious bleak counsel on the court reporter. He took
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Speaker 2: them all into his chambers, just the two lead consoles and.
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Speaker 3: The court reporter.
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Speaker 2: When he came out, the prosecution ended defense teams how
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Speaker 2: don't like football players, and they were whispering furiously for
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Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Nobody knows what they actually discussed, but it
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Speaker 2: looks like it has both teams just shocked and a
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Speaker 2: little bit thrown off.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, just a moment. I want to go back
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Speaker 1: over something you said, Tisa Tales joining me from the courthouse. Tisa. Generally,
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Speaker 1: when all the lawyers get together and they start fighting,
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Speaker 1: it's either about a very important piece of evidence, a witness,
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Speaker 1: or the schedule. Like if the judge said we are
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Speaker 1: ending July the fourth, get it together, that will throw
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Speaker 1: them all into a panic. Now I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to what you said. Oh, there's so many things
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Speaker 1: you said. I'm drinking from the fire hydrant here. Number one,
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Speaker 1: what they said about a mistrial, first thing this morning,
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Speaker 1: that kicked it off right, And then I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you about Jane not her real name, being
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Speaker 1: forced to put on makeup and get back in the
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Speaker 1: ring a hotel night. Now, that's putting perfume on the
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Speaker 1: pig a hotel night, and it's more like a twenty
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Speaker 1: four hour sex marathon where she said she had to
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Speaker 1: hold such weird sex positions for hours on end her back.
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Speaker 1: Actually ached this on top of mouthstores and UTI's one jerror.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a lady jeror to look at
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Speaker 1: one of the hotel night or free cough pictures and
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Speaker 1: actually covered her eyes and looked away so much happening
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and we have ditty caught on tape.
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Speaker 1: But first to the mistrial, let me just say continuance.
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Speaker 1: They filed for a mistrial and then they say, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna deal with that tomorrow. Did
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Speaker 1: that really happen?
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Speaker 4: So let me be clear.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the prosecution told them to cool their jets and
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Speaker 2: they will respond for to the misstrial tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: The defense came in very very happy. They were skipping
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Speaker 3: to the daisies.
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Speaker 2: However, I think he expected the prosecution to come back
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Speaker 2: with the bet and address the mistrial, and they said
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Speaker 2: for right now. Jane Do's testimony that they've been trying
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Speaker 2: to slow down and stop.
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Speaker 3: Is one hundred percent happening.
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Speaker 2: And when you talk about all the horrible things, today's
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Speaker 2: testimony is the most gruesome, the most disgusting, and the
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Speaker 2: most shocking testimony we've heard.
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Speaker 1: Okay, to Troy Slayton joining me, don't move TSA tells
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining me is a veteran trial lawyer out
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Speaker 1: of the LA jurisdiction. He's tried a lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: He's at Slaton Lawyers. Okay, Troy, I want to get
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Speaker 1: your legal opinion, because I've seen defense attorney to do
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Speaker 1: it over and over again, and it's a tried and
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Speaker 1: true tactic they try. If you've got a good the
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Speaker 1: state puts up a really good witness, right, they try
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Speaker 1: to slow it down, they try to throw it off.
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Speaker 1: They have motions for mistrial. They you know, knock over
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Speaker 1: their bucket of water on the table. The client acts
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Speaker 1: like he's going to pass out anything to slow damn
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Speaker 1: out the witness, you know, like in a basketball gang
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Speaker 1: time out, time out, time out, right, when the other
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Speaker 1: side's about to score. Time out. Yeah, that's what that is.
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Speaker 1: They're trying because they're not going to get a mistrial,
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Speaker 1: all right. That is total BS technical legal term. They're
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Speaker 1: not getting a mistrial, right, or the judge would have
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Speaker 1: already granted it. That's not happening. But this is a
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Speaker 1: way to slow down Jang's testimony. Agree or disagree, Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's possible.
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Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what the defense strategy is, but
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Speaker 5: I know that both sides you tactics to slow things down,
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Speaker 5: and in this case, the defense was really concerned about
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Speaker 5: the jury. Repeatedly seen Jane Doe's iPhone messages and it
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Speaker 5: was showing potentially. Prosecutors argue her state of mind. The
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Speaker 5: defense attorneys argue that it was improperly bolsting her testimony
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Speaker 5: and that it was hearsay. It was an out of
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Speaker 5: court statement being offered for its truth, even though it
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Speaker 5: was the statement of the witness.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me just break down what you just said.
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Speaker 1: You state that it was an out of court statement
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Speaker 1: that is being presented for his veracity or his truth.
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Speaker 1: That's like, that's bad. But when that particular witness is
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Speaker 1: on the stand, there's no objection because the witness can
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Speaker 1: be cross examined on that. If the witness were not
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Speaker 1: on the stand, it would amount to hearsay and it
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Speaker 1: would be disallowed. Straight back out to Tisa Tell's joining
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Speaker 1: US Investigator commentator host of Tisa tells on YouTube, Okay, Tisa,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about him forcing her comes forcing
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Speaker 1: Jane not her real name, to put makeup over her
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Speaker 1: bruises and get back in the ring.
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Speaker 2: Listen, that detail disgusted everyone. Everybody knows what is coming
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Speaker 2: to get back into the ring.
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Speaker 3: And to do a Cassie. The thing is being in
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Speaker 3: the courtroom. There's a lot of legal arguments that can play.
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Speaker 2: But when you saw the jury's fasis, when you saw
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Speaker 2: the up with disgust, when you saw each horrific, you
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Speaker 2: talk about your nation, you talk how about the fact
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Speaker 2: that there were pictures of she demanded that her get
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Speaker 2: pierced and it got infected and because it was pulling
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Speaker 2: on the stripper customs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You
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Speaker 1: kind of like come glossed over that. I believe what
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Speaker 1: you meant to say, Tisa Tails is that Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: demanded that Jane have her nipples pierced. She didn't want to,
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Speaker 1: he insisted on it. They got infected. There's no nice
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Speaker 1: way to say it. There was puss and she removed
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Speaker 1: the nipple piercings, and he got mad and demanded she
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Speaker 1: repierced the nipples. Okay, hit me, tell me the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: And I especially want to hear aside from the nipple piercings,
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Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear about the jury looking disgusted,
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Speaker 1: because there's nothing better for the state than a juror
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Speaker 1: to actually get nauseated during the testimony. All right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning case.
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Speaker 3: So start at the beginning Okay.
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Speaker 2: The first time I saw the juris get visibly disgusted
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Speaker 2: and there was a lot thrown out, was when she
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Speaker 2: talked about the way he demanded lied to her and
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Speaker 2: to sir By frog trickter into going the whole.
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Speaker 3: Tall nights, even though it was supposed to be them.
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Speaker 3: She would show up, he would demand she would put.
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Speaker 2: On these stripper costumes, these seven inch plastic hills slipping
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Speaker 2: around a baby oil, and he even demanded, in addition
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Speaker 2: to fix it getting new veneers, that she'd get her
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Speaker 2: nipples piers. They would get snagged on the netting indie
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Speaker 2: stripper costumes that she had to stay in for thirty
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Speaker 2: six to forty hours. There was infection, there was puss,
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Speaker 2: there was bleeding. When we heard that, we were all repulsed.
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Speaker 2: But to see the effect on the jury, it really
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Speaker 2: took if everybody was just shocked and disgusted.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: She kept on telling about how while this was going
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Speaker 2: she had to take it out and he kept demanding,
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Speaker 2: you've put those back in, when is it coming in.
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Speaker 2: It really hammered home that he had complete control of
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Speaker 2: her mind, her body.
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Speaker 3: It was a performance that was on demand.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that was the first time I genuinely saw the
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Speaker 2: jury saying Okay, this is too much. But since then,
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Speaker 2: in Janejoe's testimony, the jury has been with Jane Doe.
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Speaker 2: The level of brutality that's been played again. There are
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Speaker 2: jurors that are middle age, a few that are younger,
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Speaker 2: a lot that are older men and women rubbing their heads,
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Speaker 2: covering their mouths and looking away uncomfortably.
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Speaker 3: This is not going good with two Diddy.
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Speaker 2: And to your point, I do believe this is why
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Speaker 2: they are throwing spaghetti at the street and mobilizing anything
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Speaker 2: they can to actually get this mistral going.
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Speaker 1: We're hearing a lot from the stand now. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear let me, let get the control and
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Speaker 1: to pull it up. I want to hear Sean Comes voicemail.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to address with you, Tisa, what
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Speaker 1: we just heard from Troy Slayton about Jane's messages text
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Speaker 1: messages to Sean Comes. What did they reveal?
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Speaker 3: Dave rebil that unlike Cassie who you have the violence.
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Speaker 2: So a normal person, a reasonable person wouldn't think that
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Speaker 2: that was consensual, but Jane had an extra level continual messages.
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Speaker 3: I don't like this. You lied to me.
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Speaker 2: You said it would be just us this time. You're
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Speaker 2: making me take pills and show up and perform. You're
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Speaker 2: using me as your own, for lack of better words,
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Speaker 2: a prostitute. I'm just a toy to you. But it
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Speaker 2: was continuing hammering, no, I don't want this, no that
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Speaker 2: I don't want this. You took me, You lied to me.
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Speaker 2: And I see why the defense is so worried because
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Speaker 2: it was not playing well with the jury. Everything that
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Speaker 2: they said that Cassie didn't have as evidence Jane actually has.
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Speaker 2: And again with each message, every single message at one
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Speaker 2: time said you lied to me.
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Speaker 3: I just want you. I don't want this, I don't
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Speaker 3: want to do this. Can we stop? Please? And there
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Speaker 3: were messages even to KK, who I'm.
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Speaker 2: Sure you guys are aware the prosecutors named as a
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Speaker 2: co conspirator in court last week. So it was really
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Speaker 2: pulling together the rico and really proving pulling in that
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Speaker 2: it wasn't a grown woman making a grown decision.
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Speaker 3: This was forced.
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Speaker 2: This was brutality, and it literally was when she stopped
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Speaker 2: saying yeah, I'm fine with the party, and when she
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Speaker 2: started saying no, that's when the diddy that Cassie knows
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Speaker 2: actually came forward.
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Speaker 3: So it was a really powerful moment in court.
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Speaker 1: You know, tast the tales. I was thinking about something
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Speaker 1: that Jane not her real name said on the stand.
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Speaker 1: She was dating so to speak, Sean Combs and they
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Speaker 1: were making out and he says, well, I have a fantasy,
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Speaker 1: and she says, well, what's the fantasy? And he describes
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Speaker 1: bringing in a quote entertainer, which is sex a male
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Speaker 1: sex worker, for the sex worker to have sex with
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Speaker 1: Jane while he watches and masturbates and directs, and she said,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I guess a show of goodwill. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: that would be great someday. And he goes, okay, stop everything,
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Speaker 1: and right there on the spot, he gets up, gets
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Speaker 1: on the phone and arranges a hotel night aka freak
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Speaker 1: Cough that night. And she's like, wait, well, what could
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Speaker 1: you describe that?
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Speaker 2: So that was actually shocking to see it play out
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Speaker 2: in front of the jury too. Okay, so you have
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Speaker 2: her saying at first, I was like, where are they going?
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Speaker 2: Because she was painting a love story. She's a very smooth,
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Speaker 2: very sultry, sweet innocent voice at the same time, you know.
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Speaker 6: And she was saying you know Sean and I, you know,
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Speaker 6: we made love.
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Speaker 3: It was so passionate. He was so good to me.
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Speaker 2: At one point, even the jury was like, is this
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Speaker 2: is this happening? However, when she started saying and then
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Speaker 2: the first night, it was so passionate, and he said, hey,
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Speaker 2: have you ever heard a voyeurism? And he started broaching
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Speaker 2: the idea, and she said, I went along with it
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Speaker 2: because I wanted to please my partner. And the shock
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Speaker 2: I think the room actually gasped, and the shock on
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Speaker 2: the jury's face when she said she went to the
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Speaker 2: bathroom after saying that, and he came back into She
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Speaker 2: came back into the room, and he had a.
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Speaker 3: Serious look in his face, and he was on his phone.
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Speaker 2: In a bathroom and said, before she left, she said,
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Speaker 2: I can make this happen if you want. And she said,
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Speaker 2: I mean yeah again, she still sounds like she thinks
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Speaker 2: it's fantasy. And she said, in less than two hours
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Speaker 2: she found herself in the room. A pill popped into
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Speaker 2: her mouth. Okay, a pill popped into her mouth, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, I think the first time gave her
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Speaker 2: that pill, she almost odeed. Okay, but a new pill
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Speaker 2: popped into her mouth and from then she was doing
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Speaker 2: something she never imagined she did do. And even at
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Speaker 2: that time, it says weird disconnect where she was saying
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Speaker 2: in such a sweet sultry voice, you know, like I
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Speaker 2: did it.
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Speaker 3: To please my partner, and I totalim I enjoyed that.
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Speaker 3: And the whole time, the.
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Speaker 2: Prosecution is leading us down this road to hell, because
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Speaker 2: with each time it started off saying, well, maybe she
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Speaker 2: did want it, and then it led down a road
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Speaker 2: to hell. And again the way that she went from
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Speaker 2: saying I'm really enjoying it to the time the testimony
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Speaker 2: had end, she is saying.
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Speaker 3: I don't want this. You lied to me, You think
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Speaker 3: this of me, you think that of me.
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Speaker 2: And he is still at this point not only demanding
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Speaker 2: the hotel nights.
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Speaker 3: He classed it up since the free calls. The free
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Speaker 3: calls were early two thousands. Now he's into the hotel nights.
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Speaker 2: Then it moved into him threatening to throw her out
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Speaker 2: of the house at ten thousand rent and also threatening violence. However,
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Speaker 2: we're now seeing him jump the shark and getting into
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Speaker 2: the Sean Diddy Kombs violence.
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Speaker 3: So it was a lot. It was a lot for
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Speaker 3: the jury to take in.
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Speaker 4: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my friend. I'm in Miami. I don't have
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Speaker 7: a lot of friends out here. Okay. She asked me
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Speaker 7: if she could work out with me. I said, Okay,
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Speaker 7: you gotta believe what you want. It's the last time
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Speaker 7: you're gonna be cursing at me, disrespecting me over nothing
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Speaker 7: like I have. I'm a human being. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 7: lock myself up in a room and have no friends.
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Speaker 7: I don't have a bunch of guy friends. I already
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Speaker 7: told you that. And she's just came over to work out.
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Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna be explaining to you. Don't matter
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Speaker 7: if I just got finished her.
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Speaker 1: The other day.
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Speaker 7: I'm saying I could do whatever I want to, but
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Speaker 7: I didn't. You're straight flipping out on me. And I
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Speaker 7: told you that you had one more time to do
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Speaker 7: this flipping out of me. If somebody came to work
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Speaker 7: out with me at my house, your nuts so be sad,
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Speaker 7: go crazy, do whatever you want to do.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 7: I don't deserve you. I don't deserve being honest with somebody.
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Speaker 7: And then every time they see somebody around, they like
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Speaker 7: I'm doing something something working out?
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Speaker 1: What a big fat lie? Joining us at the Manahan Courthouse,
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Speaker 1: TISA tells with US an investigator and commentator host of
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Speaker 1: TISA tells on YouTube what seawan COM's actually trying to
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Speaker 1: tell Jane not her real name, that he has a
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Speaker 1: girl over in workout tights and a workout bra at
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Speaker 1: his house and all they're doing is working out. And
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Speaker 1: when she rightfully gets angry, he says, you're crazy. I'm
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Speaker 1: leaving you. I'm not putting up with you. And then
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Speaker 1: the earlier message that was played in court, Troy Slayton
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Speaker 1: was pointing out messages from her to him trying to
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Speaker 1: get out of hotel nights. He says, get on your job,
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Speaker 1: because that's really all it is. Okay, describe these two
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Speaker 1: messages we just heard.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So that first message I think was the first moment
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Speaker 2: that Diddy's defence team said we need another misschall motion.
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Speaker 2: Because when that message was played and he said you
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Speaker 2: need to get on your job, I believe everybody's mind
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Speaker 2: flashed the Cassie when Cassie said, this was my job.
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Speaker 3: But at that moment, there was one.
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Speaker 2: Jurd and I think this gentleman encompassed with the courtroom
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Speaker 2: felt he literally put his hand on his head rubbed
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Speaker 2: the top of his head and just took a deep
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Speaker 2: sigh and dropped his hands.
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 2: It literally hit the courtroom like a bomb again, the
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Speaker 2: prosecution and I think at that moment everybody said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is Rico, this is sex trafficking by fraud.
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Speaker 3: But when it descended into the gas lighting, where.
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Speaker 6: She's still saying in her sweet honey voice, you know,
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Speaker 6: I tried to be everything he wanted, and I wanted
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Speaker 6: to be everything for him, and then I see him
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Speaker 6: get this girl everything she I didn't have.
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Speaker 3: She was in a thing.
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Speaker 2: The level of gaslighting, the level of manipulation, and the
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Speaker 2: level that even the men on the jury and I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna lie, I was worried about the men on
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Speaker 2: the jury when they looked at him. Everybody was just
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Speaker 2: looking and had the same thing, like you are just
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Speaker 2: horrible through and through. But this is a pattern, it
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Speaker 2: is a game, and why this girl is so in
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Speaker 2: love with you. You are literally doing the pimp Romeo tactic
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Speaker 2: of love bombing and grooming her and then pull her back.
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Speaker 3: It was really, really.
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Speaker 2: Bad, and I think at that time they said, we
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Speaker 2: need a mistrial, we need to try to derail this train.
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Speaker 1: So taste the tails. Joining us at the courthouse. I
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Speaker 1: know you're not an actress, but could you just display
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Speaker 1: from me some of the disgusting looks the jury is making.
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Speaker 1: I gotta see this.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so one juror which I'm not gonna lie before
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Speaker 2: she seemed to not be buying anything the prosecution was
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Speaker 2: putting down. I looked at her and looked at them
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Speaker 2: as ground zero of this might be the nullification. When
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Speaker 2: she saw the pictures, okay, it was this, she literally recoiled.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to renounce. Psycho Alice joining us from Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's the author of deal Breakers. You
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Speaker 1: can see her now on Peacock and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. When
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Speaker 1: I heard his words is a job, that's all it is.
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Speaker 2: That sealed it.
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Speaker 1: He is sex trafficking. He's luring these women, as Tisa
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Speaker 1: Tel said, in the pimp Romeo style, and then using
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Speaker 1: them for sex shows, even when they are unwilling.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, what's the difference between this and some guys standing
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Speaker 9: in a trench coat on a street corner looking for
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Speaker 9: little girls walking by and then pretending to love them,
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Speaker 9: and then then gaining control over them, and then giving
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Speaker 9: them gifts, and then threatening to withdraw their love if
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Speaker 9: hit their love if the little girl doesn't go along
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Speaker 9: with them, and then saying, well, now you've you've taken
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Speaker 9: this on as a job, so you can't stop doing this.
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Speaker 9: It's the same tactic, whether it's from a pedophile, sex
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Speaker 9: trafficker on the street p ditty, it never waivers or changes.
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Speaker 9: And when we think of the domestic abuse hotline, I
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Speaker 9: was looking at the science of domestic abuse, possessiveness, control, belittling,
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Speaker 9: humiliating you in front of other people. I could go
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Speaker 9: on and on, but this is this is domestic abuse, yes,
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Speaker 9: but at a more serious level, it is sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Join me now, host of Naughty but Nice podcast. You
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Speaker 1: can find him at Robshooter dot substack dot com. That
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Speaker 1: sh ut Er, author of the Forward Answer, and more
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Speaker 1: importantly for tonight, the former PR guru for Sean Comes.
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Speaker 1: I was concerned that when you heard his voice on
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Speaker 1: those messages it might give you flashbacks. But see he
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Speaker 1: would show one side, the side that you orchestrated. Rob
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Speaker 1: Shooter to the public. The glam Diddy, But now we're
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Speaker 1: learning about pimp Diddy. That's what we're learning. This woman,
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Speaker 1: Jane had mouth sores, urinary repeat urinary tract infections, and
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Speaker 1: would be forced to hold weird sex positions for hours
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Speaker 1: on end to where she actually developed a back ailment.
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Speaker 1: Yet you heard the way he talked to her, basically
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Speaker 1: throwing her back in the ring thoughts.
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Speaker 8: It's really an alarming, horrifying insight. I've spoke to you before, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: about how did he sees his life like a movie?
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Speaker 8: He plots his life as I think Jane here has
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Speaker 8: outdone her teacher, the pupil has become the master here.
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Speaker 8: What she did on the stand was so amazing. It
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Speaker 8: started as a love story, as a as a rom con,
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Speaker 8: and it turned into this horror movie. It was very theatrical,
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Speaker 8: it was very cinematic, and it's going to be very impactful.
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Speaker 8: I spoke to my Diddy sources, and for the first
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Speaker 8: time during this trial, I'm told they're really, really nervous.
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Speaker 8: They were confident, over confident for a long time, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: That tide has changed. Now they fear, they're real, real
22:43
Speaker 8: fear coming out of team did he.
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Speaker 1: And you know what Rob Shooter, You, with all these
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Speaker 1: years as a PR expert, the jury can very likely
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Speaker 1: smell the stink of fear. You can. Actually it's like
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Speaker 1: a presence in the courtroom. Once the tide turns, certainly
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Speaker 1: the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom. And I want
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Speaker 1: to hear from your point of view, specifically, how Sean
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Speaker 1: Combs is responding to this turn in the time.
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Speaker 8: He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial
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Speaker 8: about it. I've been at a lot of his shows
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Speaker 8: and some of them did not go very well, and
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Speaker 8: he used to say afterwards, I could feel the crowd.
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Speaker 8: I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling
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Speaker 8: right now. He is losing this jury. However, knowing Puffy
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Speaker 8: like I do, he doesn't give in without a fight.
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Speaker 10: He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going
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Speaker 10: to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that
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Speaker 10: suddenly his PR machine is outside the trial trying to
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Speaker 10: influence people to say nice things. They know, they know
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Speaker 10: they're in trouble, but they are not giving up without
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Speaker 10: a fight.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear Rob Shooter that Ray j who I
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Speaker 1: got in a big knockdown here, notckdown, drag out with
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Speaker 1: the other day over. Sean Combs has now threatened to
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Speaker 1: leave the country because of the Didy trial. He should
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Speaker 1: want to stay in the country because of the Diddy trial,
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Speaker 1: because these women are being represented in court, They're being
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Speaker 1: given a voice after years of abuse. But he wants
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Speaker 1: to leave the country. Really him and Alec Baldwin.
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Speaker 4: Bye, I heard this story.
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Speaker 8: I saw your conversation with him. I think into that
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Speaker 8: being a coward. You know, Nancy, I do not have
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Speaker 8: to sit down and get on your show with you,
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Speaker 8: as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy, but
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Speaker 8: I think people that worked with Diddy, people that maybe
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Speaker 8: once defended Diddy, have to nice speak out. You can't
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Speaker 8: be quiet, you can't run away. That is being complicit.
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Speaker 8: You have to speak out. There are a lot of
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Speaker 8: people in New York around the world who made a
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Speaker 8: lot of money by being around Diddy. Editors of magazines,
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Speaker 8: executives at Esta Lorda, the Fragrance Company, Executives at maces
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Speaker 8: where they sold his clothing line. Where are all those
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Speaker 8: people now? I tried to come and call a lot
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Speaker 8: of them, and nobody's returning my cause they are all
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Speaker 8: running away, maybe not leaving the country, but the running away.
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Speaker 1: Running away from Shawn Combs. And also what's concerning for instance,
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Speaker 1: here Ray j is a great example. He seems very likable.
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people think he's handsome and talented.
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Speaker 1: If he is siding with Shawn Combs after all this testimony,
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Speaker 1: that's not good because it's a test for who on
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Speaker 1: the jury could be feeling the same way. Back to
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Speaker 1: Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse, you described one gurrr,
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Speaker 1: a lady gerrar, who you've been a little worried about
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Speaker 1: up front, and then you went to two other jurrrs,
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Speaker 1: I believe you said, on the back left.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,
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Speaker 2: they're sharing a monitor.
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Speaker 3: Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.
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Speaker 3: The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It
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Speaker 3: was like again again and again. So it was rapid fire.
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Speaker 2: And they were leaning in almost as if they were
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Speaker 2: looking at like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one
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Speaker 2: point she looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: They were squirming.
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Speaker 2: They literally had to look away, and the prosecution didn't
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Speaker 2: let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture, and it
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Speaker 2: was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie. At that time,
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Speaker 2: I think mistrial. They started to get the idea of
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Speaker 2: throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed. But again
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Speaker 2: this shock the all leaning in like what is that?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was a lot.
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Speaker 3: Again.
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Speaker 2: We wanted to see what was on those photos too,
26:41
Speaker 2: But I see the point the prosecution was making, like
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Speaker 2: these are very graphic, disgusting whatever it.
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Speaker 3: Is, but it bought it home on what a hotel night?
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Speaker 3: Was a dirty free call?
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Speaker 1: Tason. What about the male jurors are they responding the
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Speaker 1: same way as the lady grors?
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Speaker 2: I gotta go how to say, it was a little
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Speaker 2: bit concerned about the male jervers, but when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were
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Speaker 2: very very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing
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Speaker 2: their heads looking to the side, just being like.
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Speaker 3: Are these size of woof? Like it was a lot.
27:18
Speaker 2: Again the prosecution through all of the smoke screens.
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Speaker 3: You know, they are moving forward now and again.
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Speaker 2: When we heard testimony about the ten thousand rent and
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Speaker 2: whether you know she was a girlfriend or not, it
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Speaker 2: seemed like they might have.
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Speaker 3: Been losing them, but the pictures it bought it home.
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Speaker 1: You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA
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Speaker 1: when a grown man looks away from a photo of
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Speaker 1: a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 5: But here's here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that
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Speaker 5: the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot
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Speaker 5: of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in
28:05
Speaker 5: prosecutorial misconduct.
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Speaker 1: Why do you if they engage in prospect enough evidence.
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Speaker 1: If you're saying the state's putting on too much evidence,
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Speaker 1: it's true.
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Speaker 5: They can't use is one witness to say that Diddy
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Speaker 5: is a liar again and again unless he testifies. So
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Speaker 5: the federal rules of evidence are very specific.
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Speaker 4: All you've got to defend is a liar.
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Speaker 1: Looking away from a photo of a naked woman.
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Speaker 5: Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out, and you're talking
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Speaker 1: what that's what I'm as But you're trying to make
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Speaker 1: me talk about something.
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Speaker 5: They have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence.
28:47
Speaker 5: Why don't they just stick to that? Why do they
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Speaker 5: try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these
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Speaker 5: text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because.
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Speaker 1: The federal rule that's terrible when you have a royal
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Speaker 1: federal rules don't allow it.
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Speaker 11: Jane says. Did he flew her to Vegas on his
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Speaker 11: private jets so they could have a hotel night where
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Speaker 11: Jane says she had sex with an entertainer other men
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Speaker 11: she would have sex with at Comb's direction. Combs uses
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Speaker 11: the term freak to refer to her, sometimes saying he
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Speaker 11: wants his freak, meaning he wanted her to be wild
29:19
Speaker 11: and sexual.
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Speaker 12: Jane asked Diddy on multiple occasions to allow the men
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Speaker 12: he was directing her to have sex with wear condoms
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Speaker 12: during hotel nights, but Didy was dismissive. A conversation was
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Speaker 12: captured on video of a hotel night. Jane can be
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Speaker 12: heard asking don to wear a condom, but did he intervenes?
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Speaker 12: When Prosecutor Comy asks why Jane needed Comb's permission to
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Speaker 12: have the men wear a condom, Jane gets emotional, saying
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Speaker 12: she was still trying to process that.
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Speaker 1: Tasa Tails joining us from the courthouse would not allow
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Speaker 1: her to have the guy. The entertainer sex worker paid
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Speaker 1: sex worker where a condom. He insisted, does she have
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Speaker 1: unpre detected sex with a male sex worker? And you
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Speaker 1: hear it on the audio.
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Speaker 2: You hear it on the audio. You hear her sweet
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Speaker 2: caramel baby boy saying.
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Speaker 3: Can we please, it's on the chair, can you just
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Speaker 3: get it? And you hear Diddy coming in saying, what
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Speaker 3: are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: You already did it once, you already took the d
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Speaker 2: without it. At that point, again, people were on the
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Speaker 2: fence is this a love story because she was painting
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Speaker 2: it as a love story. It actually sounds like she
30:33
Speaker 2: still loves this guy, but she was still telling her truth.
30:36
Speaker 2: And when that happened, the repulsion, there was a gas
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom and the repulsion that you saw on
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Speaker 2: the jurors faces. And that's when the men realize there
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Speaker 2: is not a person on earth that would choose I
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Speaker 2: would hope not to have unprotected sex with a entertainer
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Speaker 2: willingly unless there was something else going on.
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Speaker 3: So it was a very shocking moment in the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: And I think hearing him boy her on camera on
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Speaker 3: tape was a lot. It was a lot to take in.
31:09
Speaker 4: You hear that.
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, the death now I hear it again, is
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Speaker 1: coming from the witness stand in the Diddy trial.
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Speaker 5: For whom the bell told thoughts, Yes.
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Speaker 1: That's your thought. You ripped off the title of a book, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: The bells don't mean anything here. What matters is what
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Speaker 5: happens in the courtroom. And there are rules that both
31:34
Speaker 5: sides have to follow.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think I know somebody that disagrees with you.
31:38
Speaker 1: Her name is Lynn Shaw. She is a founder and
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Speaker 1: director of Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit which means a lot
31:47
Speaker 1: to me because she ain't in it for the money
31:49
Speaker 1: dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls.
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Speaker 13: Thoughts, thoughts, I'm jumping out of my chair here, Triple D, dirty, degenerate.
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Speaker 1: I am so happy.
32:02
Speaker 13: I'm going to use the word happy. I never smile,
32:04
Speaker 13: I never say i'm happy. I am happy that we
32:06
Speaker 13: are in week five of this trial because Jane has
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Speaker 13: brought forth now all of this that I was hoping
32:13
Speaker 13: and praying for. Because I've been involved, Nancy, in so
32:15
Speaker 13: many of these cases with victims sex trafficking, and we
32:19
Speaker 13: can't prove them.
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Speaker 1: I've been so worried.
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Speaker 13: But you know what, Jane put us over the edge,
32:23
Speaker 13: and I'm so glad Tisa is here to lay out
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Speaker 13: what the jury how they're reacting, their facial expressions. They're disgusted,
32:31
Speaker 13: and you know what, real men don't beat women. So
32:34
Speaker 13: I'm happy to hear they're repelling, they're looking disgusted, the
32:37
Speaker 13: women are looking away because again I always maintained Cassie video.
32:42
Speaker 13: Now we have Jane, Now we have all this testimony,
32:44
Speaker 13: and you know what, Jane is a victim of trauma bonding.
32:48
Speaker 13: I am waiting. I am hoping somebody takes the stand
32:53
Speaker 13: that's going to describe what these women go through, this
32:57
Speaker 13: trauma bonding. They think they're in love, but they're just
33:00
Speaker 13: attached to this abuse. And furthermore, in the work we do,
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Speaker 13: sex is not work. So when I hear get back
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Speaker 13: on your job or whatever he said, you know what
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Speaker 13: that says to me. Sex trafficking, that says to me, prostitution,
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Speaker 13: that says to me. Pimp, that says to me, brothel owner.
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Speaker 13: So you know what, this is a great week. We've
33:18
Speaker 13: started strong. Let it continue. Dirty Diddy going down.
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Speaker 1: Tisa tails joining us outside of the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa,
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Speaker 1: I asked you about the yours reactions, which is really
33:29
Speaker 1: important to me. At the end of every day during
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Speaker 1: a trial, not at the end of the trial, but
33:34
Speaker 1: every day, I would stand in front of the jury
33:37
Speaker 1: box after everybody had left the courtroom, typically with my
33:41
Speaker 1: longtime investigator of ten years, Ernest and we would go through, Okay,
33:45
Speaker 1: jerr one sits here, blah blah blah, and go through
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Speaker 1: each one and describe what we observed their reactions to
33:51
Speaker 1: be during the trial. Because it matters if one gerror
33:56
Speaker 1: is not responding to the testimony, I would argue directly
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Speaker 1: to that gr or ask my questions to the witness
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Speaker 1: over here while looking at that GRR to get the GURRR.
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Speaker 1: So now I want to hear about the defendant Sean comes,
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Speaker 1: how it comes, and or his defense team, which is
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Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar ensemble. How are they responded.
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Speaker 2: So the defense team Tenny Garrigos and Mark Agnofilio, Okay,
34:24
Speaker 2: they seem to always be in a constant huddle.
34:27
Speaker 3: But here's the weird part.
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Speaker 2: I firmly believe Sean Diddycombs is a complete control of
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Speaker 2: his legal team. He's always furiously writing notes, telling them,
34:35
Speaker 2: interrupting when they're doing their questioning passing notes for them
34:39
Speaker 2: to pay attention are they have been furiously huddling to themselves,
34:44
Speaker 2: but then also looking at Sean to actually see how
34:48
Speaker 2: he's taking it. Brian still is also very casually, always
34:51
Speaker 2: looking over and testing, tacking the waters. He the last
34:56
Speaker 2: few days of the Jane do trial, he has been
35:00
Speaker 2: up set. He has not been happy, even his minions
35:03
Speaker 2: that he has trying to make nice with all the
35:06
Speaker 2: bloggers in the media. There is an urgency and I'm
35:09
Speaker 2: not gonna lie a bit of desperation that's going going down.
35:14
Speaker 2: How's he behaving oddly? Also, I think that's when you really.
35:17
Speaker 3: See his his issues, what power and control.
35:21
Speaker 2: After the judge yelled at him last week, he's been
35:23
Speaker 2: oddly staring at the judge, deciding to get up for
35:26
Speaker 2: no reason in the middle court so he could pour
35:29
Speaker 2: himself a glass of water, doing all these weird games
35:34
Speaker 2: for lack of better word. But but it's starting to
35:38
Speaker 2: wreak of desperation. It started, and that's why it's so
35:41
Speaker 2: odd that when you hear about the mistrial on the outside, yeah,
35:44
Speaker 2: it sounds like they might have something, but in that court,
35:47
Speaker 2: Jane is having them in a meltdown and Diddy seems
35:50
Speaker 2: to have a constantly angry and kind of defiant look
35:55
Speaker 2: when his mask slips, and he keeps trying to keep
35:57
Speaker 2: us cool.
35:58
Speaker 3: But they're looking at him. I think the real Who
36:00
Speaker 3: song Colmbs is starting to come.
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Speaker 4: Out crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 11: Jane sniffles on and off, and Comy asks about the
36:18
Speaker 11: time she cried after hotel nights. Jane says the first
36:22
Speaker 11: time was early in her relationship with Combs and Beverly
36:24
Speaker 11: Hills at the Waldorf. She thought they were going to
36:27
Speaker 11: have a one on one date night, but Diddy said
36:29
Speaker 11: they would have an entertainer, but it would be quick.
36:32
Speaker 11: The entertainer was there for eighteen hours, and once they
36:34
Speaker 11: were finished with the entertainer did he told her he
36:37
Speaker 11: had to leave. Jane began to cry and Combs looked disgusted.
36:41
Speaker 11: The second time, Jane was having sex with Paul. Then
36:44
Speaker 11: she remembers being in the shower with Combs and she
36:46
Speaker 11: starts to cry. Combs tells her, don't do that right
36:49
Speaker 11: now because he was too high. She stopped crying.
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Speaker 1: Okay to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse a
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Speaker 1: store off, Tisa tales on YouTube, I'm just imagining how
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Speaker 1: the jury is responding to her crying on the stand.
37:04
Speaker 1: We can't see a picture of her, just those horrible
37:07
Speaker 1: sketches that come out of the courtroom. What does she
37:10
Speaker 1: look like? What is her demeanor? I mean, is she
37:13
Speaker 1: making the jurrs feel protective of her?
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Speaker 2: Listen, I felt protective of her. Her demeanor is very
37:21
Speaker 2: very feminine. Okay, not seductive, just very feminine, very pleasing.
37:26
Speaker 3: Her voice sounds like warm sunshine.
37:29
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you about those cries, and it's hard,
37:34
Speaker 2: and I think the defense realized she was going to
37:36
Speaker 2: be a problem the first time her voice broke. When
37:39
Speaker 2: I say, her cries sound like the way I imagine
37:43
Speaker 2: a bunny rabbit being tortured sounds, they are gut breaching,
37:48
Speaker 2: they are heartbreaking, and it literally does something to convey
37:51
Speaker 2: the level of pain. Again, my eyes teared up when
37:55
Speaker 2: I heard her voice crack and when she said it.
37:59
Speaker 2: But there's a thing where you feel somebody's heart is
38:02
Speaker 2: breaking to their soul. It really woke the jury up.
38:05
Speaker 2: The jury was at attention, and you know what, when
38:08
Speaker 2: I looked at the jury, they were starting to take
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Speaker 2: notes after that.
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Speaker 3: Again, this wasn't regular. I was so sad.
38:15
Speaker 2: It was heart wrenching cries of just complete destitute. Again,
38:21
Speaker 2: imagine a bunny rabbit being tortured, and that's.
38:24
Speaker 3: What you felt like listening to her cry.
38:26
Speaker 2: So again, it's hard to hear it in the transcripts
38:30
Speaker 2: and to convey.
38:31
Speaker 3: The way she is swaying the jury. But she is
38:35
Speaker 3: a problem. And let's also not forget the defense.
38:39
Speaker 2: The defense is also arguing that they want to bring
38:41
Speaker 2: doctor Hughes back.
38:42
Speaker 3: I think that's the victory laugh.
38:44
Speaker 2: But also keep in mind with her that the violence,
38:47
Speaker 2: we have, the coercion, we have the fraud, but the
38:49
Speaker 2: violence is coming in. So again I think they have
38:52
Speaker 2: a problem. They have a huge problem.
38:54
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, when she tastes a tale said it
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Speaker 1: sounded like a bunny rabbit, a little bunny being tortured,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. And did you hear that? It was very quick?
39:06
Speaker 1: But Tom says, I'm bringing in an entertainer. There euphemism
39:11
Speaker 1: talk about airbrushing for a paid sex worker, and he says,
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Speaker 1: it'll be quick.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 1: It's like what I would tell the children when they're
39:19
Speaker 1: about to get a big shot, you know, at the
39:22
Speaker 1: pediatrician's gonna be fasking me all over and it lasted
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Speaker 1: eighteen hours, and the woman had back ailments from eighteen
39:31
Speaker 1: hours of holding these weird sex positions.
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Speaker 9: And Nancy, this is why the male as well as
39:36
Speaker 9: the female jurors look disgusted and revulsed. Disgust is sort
39:41
Speaker 9: of an instinctual response to something that we think will
39:44
Speaker 9: harm us or be dangerous to us. It's it's what
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Speaker 9: helps us to survive as a species. So it makes
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Speaker 9: me think about what are they looking at in those pictures.
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Speaker 9: They're not just looking at people having sex, They're looking
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Speaker 9: at people being hurt. That's why they are disgusted. And
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Speaker 9: Shane is fascinating because she has elicited empathy.
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Speaker 1: Empathy is very.
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Speaker 9: Hard for human beings when they're inundated with data, and
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Speaker 9: it's hard for juries. But when somebody cries softly like
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Speaker 9: a bunny and they talk about the experience of being
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Speaker 9: in love with somebody who ends up torturing them, that
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Speaker 9: is very relatable. It's human. We've all gone through that
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Speaker 9: on some level, whether it's just going out on a
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Speaker 9: date and then the guy ghosts you or never calls
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Speaker 9: you again. That kind of pain is heartbreaking. So I
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Speaker 9: think This is our magic moment where the jury is
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Speaker 9: going to really has been grasping the true essence of
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Speaker 9: the sex trafficking and the torture.
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Speaker 1: And then Rob she'ter gaslighting her by having other women
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Speaker 1: over to quote work out. I mean, she goes for
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Speaker 1: eighteen hours with a male sex worker, eighteen hours, gets
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Speaker 1: urinary tract infections, mouth source, and chronic back pain. And
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Speaker 1: then he advice a woman over to quote work out
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Speaker 1: and dares to get mad at her when she's hurt.
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Speaker 4: It's hurritic.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
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Speaker 8: We don't know who this guy is, but he is
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Speaker 8: just a real We know he's a bad guy. But
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Speaker 8: what I think doesn't matter, it's what the jury thinks.
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Speaker 8: And I've got to agree here. This is a turning point, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: I'm telling you all my Diddy sources, all the people
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Speaker 8: I have been speaking to, they thought they were really
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Speaker 8: quite arrogant and confident, and dare I say, last week
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Speaker 8: even a little bit cocky.
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Speaker 9: It's changed.
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Speaker 8: They are frightened. Diddy is scared something has happened in
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Speaker 8: this court and that person that something is Jay and
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Speaker 8: this testimony is a problem.
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Speaker 1: Wen Charge joining us from Liam's warriors, there is no
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Speaker 1: way that an eighteen hour sex session with a male
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Speaker 1: sex worker is consensual.
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Speaker 3: No way.
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Speaker 13: Now you understand from day one, Nancy, why I always
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Speaker 13: called him dirty Diddy. Eighteen hours. I think that's forced coercion,
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Speaker 13: forcing these women to do things like this, this testimony.
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Speaker 1: I keep saying it.
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Speaker 13: Jane has turned the whole case around, because I agree
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Speaker 13: with Rob, because I heard from a few sources. Up
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Speaker 13: until now, it's been kind of that we're worried about things.
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Speaker 13: But now Jane has turned it all around. But eighteen hours.
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Speaker 13: Can you imagine we work with women, their bodies, what
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Speaker 13: their bodies go through, what their minds go through, and
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Speaker 13: what happens at the end of eighteen hours. So I
42:29
Speaker 13: also want to point out what's happening in the court.
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Speaker 13: Do we have there some counselors for somebody like a
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Speaker 13: Jane when she's done relaying all this information. I'm very
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Speaker 13: worried about these women. Cassie included Jane, and so you
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Speaker 13: know what, we have to always focus on victims, victims, survivors,
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Speaker 13: and I hope there's somebody there for them in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just a sun falls, goodbye, Rin