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Molly Bish’s mom searches for answers in teen daughter-turned lifeguard death; remains found · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace June twenty seven, two thousand.
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Speaker 1: What happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl Molly Bish?
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a special guest, Maggie Bish
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Speaker 1: and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Maggie. I can't tell
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Speaker 1: you what it means to me to get to speak
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Speaker 1: to you again and to meet your beautiful daughter Heather.
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Speaker 1: Just you know, it's funny. It's funny how you never think.
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Speaker 1: I would never when I was little, I would never thought, Wow,
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Speaker 1: some of the greatest people ever meet in my life
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Speaker 1: are going to be crime victims. You don't think about
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Speaker 1: that when you're planning your future. But there's some kind
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Speaker 1: of a bond between violent crime victims that I can't
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Speaker 1: really explain it. But I'll start, Maggie with telling you.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know how many prayers go
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Speaker 1: up every day about you and Molly and your family.
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Speaker 1: I'll just start with that and then to you. It
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Speaker 1: was Molly's eighth day at a brand new job as
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Speaker 1: a lifeguard. She was just sixteen. It's a hot summer day.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that day, Maggie? Oh, how I do again.
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Speaker 1: We're just cotten out of school. I'm a school teacher
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Speaker 1: and it's cleaned your room. And I had I actually
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Speaker 1: was a special that teacher, and I had some I E.
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Speaker 1: Piece some work to complete, and so we were all
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Speaker 1: kind of buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had
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Speaker 1: a new job. My son had just trained her, and
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Speaker 1: I had taken her to work the day before, and
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Speaker 1: it was kind of a little unsettling. We had seen
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Speaker 1: a car that day parked in the parking lot and
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Speaker 1: there was only one white vehicle. And Molly got out
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Speaker 1: and she was very excited and said, by Mom, I
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Speaker 1: love you, see you later, you know. When just she
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Speaker 1: had to get some supplies ready and go down to
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Speaker 1: the beach. It was the first week of swimming lessons
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Speaker 1: for the town kids. So we live in a very
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Speaker 1: small community, only four thousand folks, one traffic light, beautiful
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Speaker 1: town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off and
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Speaker 1: I see the vehicle on this man and he ends
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Speaker 1: up kind of staring at me, and I get kind
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Speaker 1: of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave Molly here.
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Speaker 1: What is this guy doing here? So I head to
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Speaker 1: the beach and meet her and we sit and it
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Speaker 1: is a very lovely little place and it's kind of
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Speaker 1: again it's down a main street, but it's also kind
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Speaker 1: of isolated. And we sit, we talk and I really
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Speaker 1: we haven't talked a whole lot about danger, but we
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Speaker 1: talked about you know, I said, I noticed there's more
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Speaker 1: men around maybe, and she did spots just fisherman mom,
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Speaker 1: not concerned at all. I talk about how nice the beaches,
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Speaker 1: and then I said, I got to get back and
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Speaker 1: do my reports. So I go to the car and
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Speaker 1: this individual is still there. I am so kind of awestruck,
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Speaker 1: like what is he doing. He's just sitting there smoking
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Speaker 1: a cigarette. There's nothing to view, it's woods. And I
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Speaker 1: get into my car and I'm looking. I had not
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Speaker 1: even taken my purse before, so when I go in,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior to that, I'm
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Speaker 1: walking and he stares at me. And I have to
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Speaker 1: tell you, it's like a mother bear. You just want
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Speaker 1: to protect your child. You just like, what are you
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Speaker 1: doing here? Go to work? It's ten o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: And that just got me so unnerved. So when I
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Speaker 1: went to the car to get my purse, he pulled
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Speaker 1: out so fast that I didn't even think. I just
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Speaker 1: got relieved. It was one of those immediate gut feelings.
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Speaker 1: I just was uncomfortable. And that white car still to
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Speaker 1: this day, we've never found We never found an individual
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Speaker 1: who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved. And anyway,
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Speaker 1: the next day happened. Took Molly to work the same
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Speaker 1: talked to her that night about being safe, even offered
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Speaker 1: her a little Kubaton stick, which my husband had as
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Speaker 1: a probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't need it,
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Speaker 1: it's just fisherman. Don't worry. And that next morning, after
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Speaker 1: I drove her the work, there wasn't a single car
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I love you.
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Speaker 1: Our routine kind of farewell, and that was the last
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Speaker 1: time I ever heard my Molly. And I would have never,
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Speaker 1: ever in my wildest dreams or sadness as imagined that
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Speaker 1: three hours later I would get a phone call from
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Speaker 1: this assistant Chief of police that Molly had not been
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Speaker 1: at the pond all morning. Her things were left on
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Speaker 1: the beach. An open first aid kit, the police radio,
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Speaker 1: her shoes, and her backpack all remained on the beach,
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Speaker 1: and nobody knew where she was at that point. This
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Speaker 1: was an unusual event for us. Molly was very conscientious,
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Speaker 1: very kind of nervous. It's a new job. They told
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Speaker 1: me she probably went with friends. It didn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: She left her shoes, she left her backpack, but she
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Speaker 1: left the job at ten o'clock when she just was starting.
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Speaker 1: It just didn't makes sense at all. So I called
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Speaker 1: my daughter, Heather, and Heather said she would meet me
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Speaker 1: at the beach, and I immediately got in my car
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Speaker 1: went to the beach and I went I'm still in disbelief,
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Speaker 1: and I'm calling her and screening her name on the
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Speaker 1: beach Molly Molly, and people were coming. There was no Molly,
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Speaker 1: and people had said that she hadn't been there. There
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Speaker 1: had been the lifeguard all day, and I knew I
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Speaker 1: dropped her off. I've seen her things. So I was
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Speaker 1: very very frightened. For me, the first gut reaction was
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Speaker 1: something that is really wrong here. I started to go
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Speaker 1: toward the police station. There comes Heather with our new granddaughter,
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Speaker 1: and we'd go into the police station and I say,
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Speaker 1: something's very wrong. I meet this chief, the assistant chief,
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Speaker 1: because he called me and my husband and because he
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Speaker 1: was a probation in the local area at the local court,
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Speaker 1: I said call him. That's how upset I was already.
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Speaker 1: I knew in my heart that this was not how
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Speaker 1: Molly operated. And they told us to go in a
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Speaker 1: little room. It was two young officers and they figured
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Speaker 1: out that, oh, she just went with friends. They weren't concerned.
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Speaker 1: And that's when Heather and I well that that they
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Speaker 1: told you to go in the room, and I took
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Speaker 1: off looking from all my friends. Okay, So I went
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Speaker 1: from there, and then I went also to look for
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Speaker 1: her other friend in the next town that was a
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Speaker 1: good friend, and she was accounted for, and then I
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Speaker 1: got my son, returned to we returned to the beach,
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Speaker 1: and when we got to the beach, we were a gast.
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Speaker 1: I mean, people in a small town heard there's Molly
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Speaker 1: was not at the beach. It was on the scanners
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Speaker 1: and there were people starting to come. And Molly's friend's
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Speaker 1: father was ahead of the fire department and nobody I
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Speaker 1: think this was the hard partner after nobody knew. Everybody
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Speaker 1: felt something, but they didn't know what to do. And
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Speaker 1: I really didn't see the pricess I got there. It
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Speaker 1: was the fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly
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Speaker 1: drowned swimming, and that was very frightful. They had those
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Speaker 1: special dogs to determine if there was a body. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was like you were now really in a surreal,
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Speaker 1: unbelievable place that you've never been. And it's heartbreaking because
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Speaker 1: you don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where
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Speaker 1: she is, and you're just watching this show progress and
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Speaker 1: it was scary and sad, and you worry what she's thinking.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what. Now that you have children, I
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Speaker 1: know you can imagine how hard what would your child do?
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Speaker 1: And you know each child has their own personality. Molly
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Speaker 1: was funny and silly, but she was also very shy
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Speaker 1: and if someone would hurt her, but she would also
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Speaker 1: trust somebody because she was a good kid and she
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Speaker 1: had no reason not to. You know, if they dressed
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Speaker 1: like a police officer, or they dressed in some you know,
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Speaker 1: authoritative she would go. And that's how I know that
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Speaker 1: we looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we
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Speaker 1: had everybody that she was, you know, friends with, accounted for.
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Speaker 1: And that was really at the beginning of our horrible
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Speaker 1: idea crime stories with Nancy Grace. Everyone with me is
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Speaker 1: what I consider to be a friend. With me is
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Speaker 1: Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing
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Speaker 1: one warm June morning two thousand to search still on
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Speaker 1: from Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I
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Speaker 1: can't help it. It takes me straight back to when
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Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I
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Speaker 1: felt like a wild animal. This is the only way
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Speaker 1: I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal
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Speaker 1: that couldn't form words. I wanted to break the window
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Speaker 1: with my bare hands, and just how I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know words to say. And I'm thinking I remember one night,
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Speaker 1: right before I was supposed to go on the air,
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Speaker 1: my long time makeup artist she's on, was with me
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Speaker 1: and she got a call. She had her hands in
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Speaker 1: my in my hair at the moment and put it
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Speaker 1: on speaker and her son was missing, Arlington was missing,
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Speaker 1: and everything just went bizarre. And I mean, I've covered
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Speaker 1: all these cases, I know what to do, I know
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Speaker 1: who to call, but when it happens to you, it's
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Speaker 1: a whole whole nother can of worms. In her story,
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Speaker 1: he was found, thank goodness, And I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: you at that pond and they're looking in the water
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Speaker 1: and you see the first aid kid and you see
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Speaker 1: her shoes, and everything's there, everything's right, everything is present.
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Speaker 1: But Molly, when did you find out what happened to Molly?
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Speaker 1: It took three long years before we knew anything, and
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Speaker 1: they were hard, and it was really tough for our
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Speaker 1: whole family, and family suffer. You know. We used to
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Speaker 1: have fragile Fridays. If we made it another week, you know,
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Speaker 1: how are we doing? Checking in with each other? It
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Speaker 1: was tough. We didn't have small children my children. My
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Speaker 1: son was just in this first year of college, and
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Speaker 1: Heather was just had our first child. So we were
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Speaker 1: a little older, which in some ways is easier but
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Speaker 1: still very difficult, because every age has its own difficult
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Speaker 1: except in being a sibling. You're so right about that,
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Speaker 1: And there are so many phases you go through one
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Speaker 1: when you suffer a loss. My father passed away and
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Speaker 1: I'm still a mess. He and I were, I guess
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Speaker 1: soulmates were just. I mean, I love my mother. I'm
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Speaker 1: extremely close to her. I've always talked to her more
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Speaker 1: I guess than I did my dad. But he and
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Speaker 1: I were just two pias in a pod, and you
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Speaker 1: go through It hurts me too much to remember what
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Speaker 1: I went through when Keith was murdered, but the thing
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Speaker 1: that phases you go through when you lose somebody. But
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what I'll have to ask you,
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Speaker 1: because I knew almost immediately who murdered Keith and what
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Speaker 1: had happened to him. But it was two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: almost to the days ju nine, two thousand and three
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Speaker 1: before you knew what had happened to Molly. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember that day? Well, you know it is. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: can tell you it's awful. We actually we had did
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Speaker 1: that Missing Children's Day May at the end of May,
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Speaker 1: and we had come home and John had gotten a call,
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Speaker 1: my husband, and he said, we have to get home.
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Speaker 1: And usually I'm saying thank you to all the people.
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Speaker 1: We have two bustlads of people that we take with
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Speaker 1: us to Boston, and so I'm very grateful. We put flowers,
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Speaker 1: We forget me that you don't go out there. We
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Speaker 1: do a big, beautiful program. So we are coming home
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Speaker 1: with all this stuff and John is saying, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: get home, we're going We're going and he was pushing me.
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Speaker 1: I was getting a little agitated. But what happened is
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Speaker 1: one of the news reporters came to our house and
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Speaker 1: they had the pictures because somebody did not believe. Well,
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Speaker 1: how it went is there was a hunter that had
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Speaker 1: spotted something that he wasn't familiar with, but he mentioned
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Speaker 1: it to this person who to be a police officer,
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Speaker 1: and so they went and they were kind of on
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Speaker 1: their own doing this. And then I guess this police
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Speaker 1: officer didn't believe that the um you know, he's afraid
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Speaker 1: the police would take credit for his fine, I guess,
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Speaker 1: and so he wanted some of them take pictures and
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Speaker 1: he called them the press, and the press did it,
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Speaker 1: and so guess what they do. They show it to
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Speaker 1: us before the police even called us and told us anything.
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Speaker 1: So while I'm in my driveway and you know how
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Speaker 1: in the press scout like the vans, they have all
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Speaker 1: the TVs. Oh there's Molly's. Yeah, this is how Molly's.
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Speaker 1: I've seen her bathing suit in the rust in the leaves,
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Speaker 1: the old leaves, and John didn't remember, you know, my husband,
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Speaker 1: he you know, it's so funny. I actually went out
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Speaker 1: with her to buy this special bathing suit because they
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Speaker 1: didn't have the colored one to the recreational person who
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Speaker 1: was going to order them. So I knew exactly what
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Speaker 1: it was. It was a blue one, but it was
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Speaker 1: a special one and I knew then and there my
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Speaker 1: knees almost crumbled and I ran up the stairs and
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Speaker 1: to our home. And I mean there was three days
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Speaker 1: that I could say. And when you were talking earlier,
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Speaker 1: you do it's like a primal cry. It's it's from
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Speaker 1: the depth of your soul. I knew and I didn't
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Speaker 1: want it, you know, you want to find Molly, but
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the way we had hoped, you know, and
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Speaker 1: my I mean I cried and it just that was
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Speaker 1: one of the worst I have to say days. And
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Speaker 1: I howled, and I every piece of me was spent.
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Speaker 1: And say, you know that you say it was a
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Speaker 1: special swimsuit that in the moment you saw you knew
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Speaker 1: what it was. What was it that you knew beyond
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Speaker 1: a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit? No, I really I
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Speaker 1: don't know to analyze it. I think it's just that
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Speaker 1: I was the mother. I picked it out. It was
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Speaker 1: the color, and they think there was a little bit.
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Speaker 1: She was going to the training for the lifeguards and
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Speaker 1: she needed a certain kind of you know, a tank
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Speaker 1: suit type. So I knew that material, and it was blue,
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Speaker 1: but it had some you know, it had to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit cool, so it had some mixed colorings
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Speaker 1: in the middle of different things. And I seen it.
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Speaker 1: I knew, I just knew. And you know, again, they
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Speaker 1: had to send the police in, they had to send
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Speaker 1: the search party, and they had and I mean that
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Speaker 1: began a really another whole experience because the first day
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Speaker 1: they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a shin bone, but it could possibly be
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Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had
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Speaker 1: rib bones, and then by the third day they had
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Speaker 1: her skull. I mean what mother sees. You know. We
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Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but
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Speaker 1: we only had plenty four bones that were found. But
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Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get our dental records,
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Speaker 1: you know, so that's they had to certainly make sure
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Speaker 1: it was Molly's and I think that was the only
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Speaker 1: way we were able to They were able to say
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Speaker 1: the police. But I Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to a beautiful, beautiful
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Speaker 1: young girl, Molly bish Heather Bish is Molly's sister, Heather.
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Speaker 1: What do you recall of this time? Well, I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, I again, it was still that it couldn't
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Speaker 1: be possible that Molly was abducted at you know, I
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Speaker 1: thought that in the beginning that it had to be
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Speaker 1: a mistake, and you know, sort of the same thing
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Speaker 1: that this company, right, there's there's got to be an
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Speaker 1: explanation for this. And then as the moments in time
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Speaker 1: kept passing and Molly didn't pop out in it anywhere,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's when we realized her her peril. She
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Speaker 1: was in a great day feel of peril. So you know,
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Speaker 1: we became increasingly anxious. I think when even when we
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Speaker 1: found the bathing suit for me, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: it just kind of just hold on to hope, like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe he stripped her and threw
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Speaker 1: the bathing suit in the woods or or something. We
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Speaker 1: just want want to believe something as terrible as as
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Speaker 1: her loss isn't isn't going to be what the final
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Speaker 1: end of the story is. And for me, I can
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Speaker 1: remember the day that the State police actually came up
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Speaker 1: to the house on June ninth when when they did
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Speaker 1: find LESCo, because people were coming over to my mom's
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Speaker 1: house every day and I had been living in Western
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Speaker 1: mass at the time and driving out every morning with
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Speaker 1: my three year old, and it was about a forty
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Speaker 1: five minute drive and for a three year old to
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Speaker 1: have to go potty all the time, that's like two
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Speaker 1: potties stop never never easy, easy trip. But we were
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Speaker 1: doing that daily to to um ensure that we were
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Speaker 1: we were all together. And I remember we had just
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Speaker 1: gotten there on June ninth and there are people in
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Speaker 1: the driveway and my mom was talking and UM. In
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Speaker 1: the distance, I could see the district attorney and the
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Speaker 1: head of our investigation UM walking up the driveway and
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Speaker 1: they were wearing suits, and it was, you know, the
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Speaker 1: beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's a real,
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Speaker 1: really a hot day to be wearing a full suit
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Speaker 1: like that. And then it just I just knew. I thought,
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Speaker 1: I just knew like this that this is this is
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Speaker 1: the final they're gonna tell us. Now. You know what's
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Speaker 1: interesting that you're saying and I hate to keep projecting,
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Speaker 1: but what you're saying is like striking so many chords
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Speaker 1: in me. You just when you saw those guys in
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Speaker 1: the suits, you knew, yeah, And I'm just I really,
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Speaker 1: I just I just really wanted to run away, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't even want to hear
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Speaker 1: what they were going to going to say. I just
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Speaker 1: thought if I could run, I would be able to
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Speaker 1: outrun the truth or the reality or you know. It
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Speaker 1: just felt like everything's going to change now, our whole life,
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Speaker 1: everything we'd ever feel face again that you your mind
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Speaker 1: tries to get around it or or or bend with it.
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Speaker 1: Because I remember I would wake up in the mornings
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Speaker 1: and I would think that Keith was still alive and
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Speaker 1: this had been some elaborate ruse, and I would a dream.
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Speaker 1: I would dream and this is so I don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly what this means, because I never saw a shrink
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Speaker 1: about it. Probably should. I would dream that Keith wanted
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Speaker 1: to get out of the engagement, and so he had
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Speaker 1: faked the whole thing, because you know, this close to
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Speaker 1: us getting married, he had decided that. In my dream,
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Speaker 1: and I'd wake up and I got, oh, thank god,
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Speaker 1: he's alive, and it's just you know, and then I'd wait,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, I would have it. I would have
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Speaker 1: dreams that Molly was still alive, but she would be
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Speaker 1: you know, she would have gone off with her friends
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Speaker 1: to Florida, or she went on you know, she went
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Speaker 1: on a trip and she was just back and she
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Speaker 1: was going to see her old boyfriend. And I would
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Speaker 1: be I remember in the dreams feeling like, no, you
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Speaker 1: can't go on. I definately want to be with you
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Speaker 1: and hang out with you, And generally that's not how
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Speaker 1: twenty year old to feel about their teenage sisters. So
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Speaker 1: I've always sort of thought about those dreams later now
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Speaker 1: in life and thought, chief, you know, maybe Molly was
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Speaker 1: trying to tell me in some capacity that she was okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, and it was just me feeling of desperate feeling.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish.
23:12
Speaker 1: Does June twenty seventh, two thousand mean anything to you.
23:17
Speaker 1: I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home,
23:21
Speaker 1: we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived
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Speaker 1: at the pond. The sand truck was there. We watched,
23:27
Speaker 1: mesmerized like little children as the sand fell gently to
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Speaker 1: the ground. Molly and Mom for the last time Molly
23:36
Speaker 1: said goodbye, I love you and ran off. It was
23:39
Speaker 1: her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard.
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Speaker 1: That was the last time I saw or heard for
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Speaker 1: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my
23:50
Speaker 1: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces.
23:55
Speaker 1: Her remains were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side
23:58
Speaker 1: three years later. The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation.
24:04
Speaker 1: We're constantly getting tips and leads on it. We're moving
24:09
Speaker 1: forward and going through the beginning to now. We started
24:13
Speaker 1: talking to some of the original investigators, just bringing them
24:16
Speaker 1: in as a group, and we also have a disc
24:18
Speaker 1: attorney assigned to the case. So they came in and
24:20
Speaker 1: we just started going over there observations that notes their feelings,
24:24
Speaker 1: you know, things like that Maggie bish could never imagine
24:28
Speaker 1: a moment that she'd never see her daughter Molly ever. Again,
24:33
Speaker 1: Molly could be very shy and she could be very silly.
24:36
Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone.
24:39
Speaker 1: She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We
24:44
Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, So
24:48
Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to
24:51
Speaker 1: have known her as an adult with me is Maggie Bish.
24:55
Speaker 1: This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm
25:01
Speaker 1: June morning, two thousand, the search still on from Milly's killer.
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to imagine your your v you know,
25:15
Speaker 1: you pull up and you at a distance see all
25:19
Speaker 1: these guys in suits and your driveway, and I'm trying
25:22
Speaker 1: to imagine what Maggie, what that? What that was? When
25:28
Speaker 1: press A van pulls up and they run up. What
25:32
Speaker 1: did they have a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well,
25:36
Speaker 1: you know what, I guess this, Like I said, this
25:38
Speaker 1: person didn't believe it. So they had six TVs going on.
25:42
Speaker 1: There were six TVs in that van, and there was
25:44
Speaker 1: every vantage point that they could take the picture. I
25:47
Speaker 1: mean it truly was a small piece of bathing suit
25:50
Speaker 1: that was peeking out from underneath twigs and old leaves,
25:56
Speaker 1: and it was just taking in different rooms views and
26:01
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take me a second to gather
26:04
Speaker 1: that information to you know men, the seconds to night,
26:08
Speaker 1: I ran up the stairs because I knew I closed
26:11
Speaker 1: my door in my room and I began to howl.
26:13
Speaker 1: I was on my knees, and you know, John was
26:16
Speaker 1: down there talking and I just like Ford this the
26:19
Speaker 1: I mean because again we adjusted missing Children's Day for
26:22
Speaker 1: the folks from Massachusetts. It was a beautiful day of
26:25
Speaker 1: great We were coming home feeling at least we're doing
26:28
Speaker 1: something positive, and you know, we always will miss Molly.
26:32
Speaker 1: That's but to see this was it was too close
26:36
Speaker 1: to knowing that this was not good. Crime stories with
26:54
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace with me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly
27:01
Speaker 1: Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two
27:10
Speaker 1: thousand to search still on for Molly's killer. We are
27:17
Speaker 1: now hearing rumblings that DNA, DAX, arrivo niclay acid tests
27:27
Speaker 1: are stirring little seeds of hope. What do you know
27:33
Speaker 1: about a potential DNA test? You want to talk d Yeah, sure.
27:38
Speaker 1: Every so often they'll take pieces of evidence and submit
27:43
Speaker 1: them for DNA testing and they'll try to compare it
27:46
Speaker 1: when they have a few years ago, they had a
27:48
Speaker 1: really quote unquote good person of interest down in Florida
27:53
Speaker 1: and they you know, had taken some DNA from there
27:56
Speaker 1: and submitted it and then nothing was sort of a hit.
28:00
Speaker 1: Um so as so I guess our hope sort of
28:03
Speaker 1: lies in the science and technology that you know, sort
28:07
Speaker 1: of helping investigators solve these older cases. And UM, so
28:12
Speaker 1: last year they took twenty four pieces of evidence UM
28:17
Speaker 1: to retest and so they don't exactly tell us what
28:21
Speaker 1: what they took or where it came from, but we
28:23
Speaker 1: know it was twenty four pieces of evidence UM, and
28:26
Speaker 1: they resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they
28:30
Speaker 1: like I said that the technology increases in the touch
28:33
Speaker 1: DNA becomes available, UM, they they will continuously keep keep
28:40
Speaker 1: resubmitting for particularly these older cases because they've had they've
28:45
Speaker 1: been able to UM, you know, solve cases based on
28:48
Speaker 1: this DNA. I mean the Siege of Hope. Are that
28:56
Speaker 1: taken and they're being re examined with new TECHNI except
29:00
Speaker 1: were not possible at that time. I mean that is
29:03
Speaker 1: a huge big deal because I recall trying rape cases,
29:08
Speaker 1: murder cases, you name it, with no DNA. You know
29:12
Speaker 1: what I'd have. I'd have blood, blood sample and I
29:16
Speaker 1: could say, well, the suspect is a positive and the
29:20
Speaker 1: perpetrator was a positive. That was it, or maybe a
29:25
Speaker 1: hair and I could say the rapist or the killer
29:30
Speaker 1: is a Caucasian male with ex hair. I mean that
29:34
Speaker 1: was it. There was no nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing.
29:41
Speaker 1: So this is a major development that they are doing this.
29:45
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this UM deep ground
29:51
Speaker 1: sonar test that's being done. What do we know about that? Yeah, so,
29:59
Speaker 1: you know, over the years, we've you know, because law
30:02
Speaker 1: enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work on
30:05
Speaker 1: their own and and you know, they don't necessarily report
30:08
Speaker 1: to victim families. That can become very frustrating for victim families.
30:13
Speaker 1: UM And because we you know, felt very strongly that
30:17
Speaker 1: we wanted this to be solved. We wanted our community
30:20
Speaker 1: to feel safe. We wanted our friend's kids to feel safe.
30:23
Speaker 1: You know, we've we've all grown up here where you know,
30:26
Speaker 1: and some capacities, family to each other. What do you
30:29
Speaker 1: think they hope to find heather with a ground penetrating
30:34
Speaker 1: radar and it's on a private property in an undisclosed
30:40
Speaker 1: location in Worcester County? What what does that mean? What
30:44
Speaker 1: was that where the swimsuit was found, Maggie in Worcester County? No, No,
30:51
Speaker 1: it was where we received it. A So, so I'm
30:55
Speaker 1: just trying to put the backstrore here. We um from
30:59
Speaker 1: FA friends in the area. Person who has a PhD
31:03
Speaker 1: in criminology, and I sort of formed this sort of
31:06
Speaker 1: investigative team. It kind of came off to our fundraisers
31:09
Speaker 1: and things like that. We developed this little team. This
31:13
Speaker 1: little team developed these um campaigns. So one year we
31:18
Speaker 1: did billboards, another year we did ads. Each time we
31:22
Speaker 1: do one, we do a tip campaign. And so we
31:25
Speaker 1: had a just one Piece campaign because the state police
31:28
Speaker 1: that always said we're one piece away from solving this crime.
31:31
Speaker 1: During our just one Piece campaign, we received a number
31:34
Speaker 1: of tips on a particular person who stayed at this
31:38
Speaker 1: particular campground in Worcester County. This next year, we had
31:43
Speaker 1: another campaign. We called it just one Car because we
31:47
Speaker 1: were trying to identify this light car. Was it tied
31:50
Speaker 1: to this person that we tried? The location right right?
31:55
Speaker 1: So let me understand the location is the campground where
32:00
Speaker 1: a potential suspect stayed. Okay, got it. And what do
32:06
Speaker 1: you think, Maggie, they are looking for with the deep
32:11
Speaker 1: ground search. Well, I understand that it has the potential
32:16
Speaker 1: to be able to recognize metal or rock or anything,
32:21
Speaker 1: and especially if there was something of some size. You know,
32:26
Speaker 1: bearing a car is quite big, you know, how deep
32:28
Speaker 1: could they go? So this radar has a way to
32:32
Speaker 1: analyze how the depths and how significant that you know,
32:38
Speaker 1: if it's metal or something that you know, I guess
32:42
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They do some kind of a
32:44
Speaker 1: you know, computation and it determines. So from what we understand,
32:50
Speaker 1: there were three places that they felt some interest. Now
32:55
Speaker 1: you know, again they have to hand that information over
32:58
Speaker 1: to the state police, and the state police have to
33:02
Speaker 1: you know, decide if it's worth digging or going into.
33:05
Speaker 1: Now again, it could be it's like this whole story again.
33:09
Speaker 1: You always get hopeful, but you have to kind of
33:13
Speaker 1: protect yourself from disappointment. You've got to you know, you
33:17
Speaker 1: don't really you want it if but you're scared. The
33:20
Speaker 1: emotional battle within is unbelievable because you've been doing this
33:24
Speaker 1: so long now that you want it, but we don't
33:28
Speaker 1: get to choose any of it, you know. So now
33:32
Speaker 1: it's tradeful Maggie that other girls similar in age to
33:40
Speaker 1: Molly also we're kidnapped. Yes, we have a girl that
33:45
Speaker 1: was ten years old, a little bit younger in Sturbridge,
33:49
Speaker 1: which is a twenty minute a distance from our home,
33:54
Speaker 1: and she was taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There
33:58
Speaker 1: had been some cases maybe even a little older, that
34:02
Speaker 1: were in northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New York border,
34:07
Speaker 1: and there was a gentleman that they thought was a
34:09
Speaker 1: serial killer up there that might have that involved. I mean,
34:15
Speaker 1: you know, it's so sad. I mean, you hear these
34:18
Speaker 1: horrible cases, but you don't understand. I mean, certainly I
34:22
Speaker 1: wasn't one that you know, really understood any of this.
34:27
Speaker 1: You know, now, I know all these families who have
34:30
Speaker 1: struggled and who keep struggling, you know, to find their
34:34
Speaker 1: loved ones on how they deal with it, and it
34:37
Speaker 1: is very very hard. So you know, again there possibly
34:41
Speaker 1: could be serial killer out there, and that's what worried
34:44
Speaker 1: us because this to me, honestly, Nancy, how does a
34:48
Speaker 1: normal person do something this horrific? And that is so
34:53
Speaker 1: it's like when you throw the rock into the river
34:55
Speaker 1: and the ripples. It has caused so much pain to
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Speaker 1: Molly's friends, our family out into the community, the fear
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Speaker 1: that he's somewhere. Please write this number down eight seven
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Speaker 1: eight seven seven two nine eight five one five five
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Speaker 1: One day this case will be solved. Molly bish still
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Speaker 1: on our minds, still in our hearts than Maggie Heather.
35:37
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, thank you. I can't thank you enough.
35:43
Speaker 1: And you will always be one of my most special
35:46
Speaker 1: people in the world and I appreciate it so much.
35:50
Speaker 1: And you're helping so many people and you're still continuing,
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Speaker 1: and from my Molly, we thank you with all our hearts.
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Speaker 1: By Race Crime, a story signing off goodbye friend.