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Tigers Enter Crucial Offseason After Playoff Berth · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, New Digs.
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  Speaker 2: What up?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Karen Steckley with me as always a man who
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  Speaker 1: slays in hammer pants.
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  Speaker 3: He is Cody steven Eggen.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing hammer pants? Did not see that coming? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: That's how we're introducing our first YouTube video of Tiger Territory.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I tried to get a hold of mc
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  Speaker 2: hammer himself for the story I worked on about celebrity
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  Speaker 2: fans of the Oakland A's where I got an awesome
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  Speaker 2: email from Tom Hanks. No response from mc or any
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  Speaker 2: of his raps or you know, they couldn't get ahold
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  Speaker 2: of man.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been a wonderful edition. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: EMC hammer could use all the good publicity that he could.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people our generation probably think of him from
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  Speaker 1: the clip from White Chicks where it's like, am I broke?
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  Speaker 1: Or mc hammer broke? Mc hammer broke? Y.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, we're starting off a new era with
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  Speaker 2: mc hammer and strays.
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  Speaker 3: I like it too legitiquate. All right, So.
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  Speaker 1: This week, Cody, we you know, we we already did
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  Speaker 1: a you know, wrap up of the Tiger season and
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  Speaker 1: shortly thereafterward, you and the rest of the media got
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  Speaker 1: to talk to Scott Harris and AJ hinch uh and
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  Speaker 1: what was I imagine sort of an interesting circumstance for
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  Speaker 1: you because in your all your time on the Beat
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  Speaker 1: had not had to do a season recap that concluded
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  Speaker 1: with such disappointments such as blowing a two one lead
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  Speaker 1: and alds and and then just all the emotions that
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  Speaker 1: come with it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. I.
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  Speaker 1: We do a lot of vibes on this podcast. Those
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  Speaker 1: that listen to us know this, So let's transition a
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  Speaker 1: little bit to tone because a lot of times these
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  Speaker 1: end of season press conferences are you know, they're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to kind of garner interest going into next year, and
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  Speaker 1: that is probably amplified when you have a not so
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  Speaker 1: ideal season or a losing season. So it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we really like these young players, or you know, we
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  Speaker 1: have a plan. You know, it's kind of a selling
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  Speaker 1: job really this time around. Obviously there's still some selling
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  Speaker 1: to do, but this the what you have to sell
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  Speaker 1: looks a lot better than it has in years past.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious from Scott and AJ. You've
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  Speaker 1: had more of these with AJ than Scott, but just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, what was kind of the tone. How
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  Speaker 1: would you kind of classify the overall theme of this
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  Speaker 1: end of season presser that we had this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously it was a hopeful tone, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was interesting to hear Scott Harris kind
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  Speaker 2: of articulate the exact same emotions I think some of
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  Speaker 2: the players were kind of trying to convey after the
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  Speaker 2: game and that, like he called the loss, I think
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  Speaker 2: a gut punch and it was. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: he talked a lot about how proud he was of
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  Speaker 2: the team and the tone that was set for the future.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of funny, you know, Aj We talked
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  Speaker 2: to him so much. He's such a good quote. He
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  Speaker 2: was up on stage with Scott and got like maybe
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  Speaker 2: two questions, like because everything kind of was geared toward,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the president of Baseball operations, where is this
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  Speaker 2: team going? What are you gonna add? Who's coming back?
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  Speaker 2: And in there there wasn't necessarily as much of a
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  Speaker 2: clear tone as probably like some fans would have hoped for,
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  Speaker 2: And maybe I was very curious to see how they
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  Speaker 2: were going to do package things, how they were going
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  Speaker 2: to do message things, and always Scott Harriston an artful
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  Speaker 2: job of like not really saying a whole lot that
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  Speaker 2: was super newsworthy, giving more just general overview thoughts. And
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  Speaker 2: that's also fair because it is, like Scott said, well,
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  Speaker 2: forty eight hours after the last game, they haven't had
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  Speaker 2: exit interview meetings. There's kind of only so much he
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  Speaker 2: can say. But even if if you think back, like
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  Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty one season, I feel like aj
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  Speaker 2: and Alavila were pretty forthright and like this is a
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  Speaker 2: big off season for us. I don't remember their exact
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  Speaker 2: quotes at the time, but I feel like there was
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  Speaker 2: a very palpable hon of like we're going to add
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  Speaker 2: to this team, and that message was a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more unclear Scott Harris, as you can kind of imagine,
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  Speaker 2: or I at least could have predicted he would say
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  Speaker 2: this said, you know, dollars spent is a convenient measure
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  Speaker 2: of activity, but it's not really how we look at things.
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  Speaker 2: We're going in terms of talent added. How do you
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  Speaker 2: gain talent? And that's a perfectly fine and fair way
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  Speaker 2: to think about things, right, but it obviously leaves a
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  Speaker 2: lot of questions open regarding how aggressive are the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: actually going to be, whether it's free agents, whether it's trades,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's making sure that this is the start of
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  Speaker 2: a new era of Tigers baseball and not just a
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  Speaker 2: very strange flash in the pan over the course of
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  Speaker 2: two three months.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's the key, right, because you know, we were
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  Speaker 1: on foul territory earlier this week as are kind of
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  Speaker 1: like our launch, I guess with the new network, and
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  Speaker 1: aj Prazinski is asking us about like, are the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: going to add payroll? And as I'm answering that question,
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  Speaker 1: like like, I kind of have to give it kind
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  Speaker 1: of sounds like a splash of cold water. Normally we're
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  Speaker 1: doing that for Tigers fans, and so now it's like
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  Speaker 1: a national platform where I'm just kind of like, I
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  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of evidence to suggest that that's
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  Speaker 1: something that is going to happen, at least at a
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  Speaker 1: scale that everyone expects. But it got me thinking there's
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  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden like pressure and expectation, not
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  Speaker 1: from the fans in Michigan, but like baseball people in
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  Speaker 1: general are kind of like, all right, well, now the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers are good. Now they have to spend money, and
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of like the national person is gonna kind
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  Speaker 1: of parachute in and have their opinions, and some of them,
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, are outdated. Like if you expect a Mike
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  Speaker 1: Illich type spending, Like, I don't really have any good
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  Speaker 1: news for you.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't paid attention to the Tigers since Mike Kilchro
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  Speaker 2: was owner. I don't necessarily blame you.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so, so the so the thing is is
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  Speaker 1: that like Scott is not like talk about talk radio
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  Speaker 1: points now, it's like national now now, satellite radio points now.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be talking about the fact that the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: like have to spend and Scott not that he cares,
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  Speaker 1: but like that's gonna be like he's gonna get texts.
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  Speaker 1: I just guarantee you he's gonna get texts from the
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  Speaker 1: passings of the world, from the Rosenthals of the world,
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  Speaker 1: from I don't know if mad Dog text presidents of
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  Speaker 1: baseball operations, but like if he did, you would be
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  Speaker 1: getting those texts of like, you know, asking his opinion.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be getting those in his inbox more than
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  Speaker 1: he ever has, obviously as someone who is in charge
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  Speaker 1: of a front office. And so that to me struck
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  Speaker 1: like that is sticking out in my mind right now,
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  Speaker 1: because like that is the first indication I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that the Tigers are on another level Nash conscious wise.
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  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying where it's like now, like
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, Okay, this was fine and good,
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  Speaker 1: but what are you gonna do next? And you know
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  Speaker 1: the quote about he needs to you know, we don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in like adding you know, dollars. We believe in
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  Speaker 1: adding talent. That's a paraphrase. Of course, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times they're the same, not always, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times at the same An example would be like Lorenzen
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  Speaker 1: two years ago, Flarty last year. Those guys didn't sign
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  Speaker 1: for league minimums. Like I know, there are one year
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  Speaker 1: deals and you know overall not that much, but like
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  Speaker 1: those that was you had to there was a dollar
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  Speaker 1: figure that when they both signed, especially flarerty and something
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  Speaker 1: that we were basically wrong about when the sign happened, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like a lot. You know, you talk about
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  Speaker 1: the salary aspect of it and any names that get
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  Speaker 1: tied to the Tigers, and I do only mean like
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  Speaker 1: reports just like oh this guy makes sense for this team.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna come with like an expected dollar amount that
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  Speaker 1: as of now, I just have no evidence to anticipate
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  Speaker 1: that he's gonna match like. One of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I was like, does this playoff run like
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  Speaker 1: make it more or less likely to sign Alex Bregman,
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  Speaker 1: Because I could talk myself into both of them. One
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  Speaker 1: of them is, no, it doesn't, because it's they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: keep doing what they do and they're gonna try to
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  Speaker 1: build it their way makes sense. The other part is,
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  Speaker 1: all right, now we have this window of opportunity and
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  Speaker 1: include Schooble under team control, which we'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: part in a second young team that was all fine
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  Speaker 1: and well, but you still, you know, you lost to
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  Speaker 1: a team with had more betteran players than you.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, So like Bregman, it like the.
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  Speaker 1: Fit in theory is higher than when we were speculating
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  Speaker 1: about this in years past. So as I guess you
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  Speaker 1: can kind of take that in whichever direction you want.
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  Speaker 1: But I was kind of talking my way into both
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  Speaker 1: possibilities kind of know which one would ultimately the team
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  Speaker 1: would land on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think just naturally it makes more
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  Speaker 2: sense that the Tigers could be in on Alex Bregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think I mean think back to conversations we
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  Speaker 2: were having in June early July, like, is this the
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  Speaker 2: core is Scott? I said the time, I never got
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  Speaker 2: this since Scott Harris was in any like hurry and
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  Speaker 2: I stand by that. I don't think he was. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's thrilled that this team overperformed and exceeded expectations.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's gonna move incentivize him or
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  Speaker 2: the organization to push all its chips to the middle
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  Speaker 2: in extreme fashion. But if you listen to things Scott
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  Speaker 2: has said, it was always like, you know, we'll supplement
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  Speaker 2: the core when the times is right. Well, now you
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  Speaker 2: have some evidence that you can win with this core
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  Speaker 2: that is here. So if there's you know, is there
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  Speaker 2: going to really be a better time than now? I
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  Speaker 2: just don't think so. I think you have pretty obvious
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  Speaker 2: needs at both corner positions. Scott Harris did outline two
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  Speaker 2: general areas of need, which was a right handed hitter
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  Speaker 2: and more pitching. You know, he didn't get specific beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: and again I don't blame him. He's not gonna step
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  Speaker 2: there and say yes, we're going to sign Alex Bregman,
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  Speaker 2: like nobody says that that would be Z now does
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  Speaker 2: bragmant like so third base. I think Bragman makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: What we don't know the answer to is like even
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  Speaker 2: if they spend, like like how do you define spending?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to even make a call
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  Speaker 2: on onn so tho. Like, I guess I could be
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  Speaker 2: wrong there, I'm not reporting that, but like, like the
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  Speaker 2: Tigers aren't going to be an on want soda. I
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  Speaker 2: think we all live in reality, and most mostly can
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  Speaker 2: accept that is Alex Bregman in the realm of reality,
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  Speaker 2: and what's the market for him coming off a good year,
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  Speaker 2: like we're talking seven two hundred something like that. I
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  Speaker 2: kind of have a tough time seeing the Tigers make
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  Speaker 2: that kind of commitment based on what we know. You
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  Speaker 2: know how this regime likes surrunding an organization. But say
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  Speaker 2: take that down just a little bit. If Christian Walker
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  Speaker 2: is three years sixty million, again, this is just total guessing,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's spending, that's being aggressive, but it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: different level than committing dollars. And more importantly, I think years,
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  Speaker 2: because that's how you get a contract like Ibby Bias
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  Speaker 2: that's completely underwater. So I could see Scott continuing to favor.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're up in the dollar amount and maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: signing multi year deals now, but that doesn't necessarily mean
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  Speaker 2: you're handing out the mega deals. If I just had
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  Speaker 2: to guess, that's probably kind of what I would expect
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  Speaker 2: from the Tigers. And that's why I've pointed to Walker
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  Speaker 2: a couple times as a guy I like, if you
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  Speaker 2: just look at first base in general, like, there are
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  Speaker 2: some guys who can make a lot of sense in Walker.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Alonso is probably not going to be cheap,
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  Speaker 2: but he's he's in that territory as well. Anthony Santander
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  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Probably the low end of
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  Speaker 2: this is like Carlos Santana and I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can get him on a one year deal for
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  Speaker 2: no not that much. So does that make him attractive
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  Speaker 2: to the Tigers. Probably? And he had like a nine
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  Speaker 2: to thirty four ops against left handed pitching. So those
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  Speaker 2: are those are some things to think about there. I'm
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  Speaker 2: as fascinated as anyone to see exactly where the Tigers land.
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  Speaker 2: But here's also why it's always difficult to talk about
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  Speaker 2: talk radio wants to say, like you have to spend.
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  Speaker 2: You have to spin spin, spin, and that is kind
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  Speaker 2: of the laziest possible take in terms of building a
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  Speaker 2: baseball team in twenty four. At the same time, like
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  Speaker 2: I get why front offices don't want to spend, but
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  Speaker 2: like front offices are also like very cheap and risk
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  Speaker 2: averse these days, Like that's just factual too. So where
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  Speaker 2: are the Tigers going to land on this spectrum? Everyone
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  Speaker 2: likes to view it through one end or the other,
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  Speaker 2: and there's got to be a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: a middle ground that I think a lot of good
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  Speaker 2: teams strike.
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  Speaker 3: Well for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much they talk about spending, like
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  Speaker 1: in the Cardinals organization, for example. I do know that
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  Speaker 1: spending is brought up a lot with both New York teams,
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  Speaker 1: uh even even though they tend to spend a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but that's brought up. It's brought up with the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox a lot. I mean, every every fan base wants
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  Speaker 1: their team to spend, you know, to to get better
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  Speaker 1: players and thus, you know, in theory, have better teams.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been concerned with dollars because you know, no
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  Speaker 1: salary cap right years are are what always get me.
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  Speaker 1: And of course you know, we'll talk about them here
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  Speaker 1: a second, but the hobby or bias conversation is definitely
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  Speaker 1: part of that.
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  Speaker 3: But stick with the first base for a second. I
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  Speaker 3: still this is not my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: This is just like what I anticipate, like what I
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  Speaker 1: like anticipate, like an organization trying to do. It's still
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to get over this, like we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: sign somebody for sixty million dollars to more or less
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  Speaker 1: take Spencer Torgelsen's job, Like like, I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 1: the wrong move. I'm just saying it's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to envision a France doing that, even though again Torque
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  Speaker 1: was not one of Scott's draft picks, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: with the Santana element there, like you know, the one
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  Speaker 1: year thing.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: That's another reason why the Bregman part like appeals to
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit more, because then it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you address the right handed hitting, you address one of
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  Speaker 1: the corners, and then you try to do the thing
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  Speaker 1: that you claim as an organization that you want to
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  Speaker 1: be known as, which is that like players improve here,
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  Speaker 1: young players get better. We build around young players, like
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  Speaker 1: tork is a guy that in theory should fit that mold.
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  Speaker 1: There's also an agent element to this that doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: talked about, and is that, like agents aren't putting their
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  Speaker 1: clients up against each other, especially clients that are of
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  Speaker 1: high profile. So like that's something that ought to be
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  Speaker 1: considered as well when you're thinking about it. And another
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  Speaker 1: thing in regards to first base, is there a world
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  Speaker 1: where you upgrade third for you know whatever, even'ab Bregmann,
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  Speaker 1: but you make a considerable upgrade the third. You keep
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  Speaker 1: veer laing in this kind of super utility role, and
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  Speaker 1: then you more or less platoon Jay Hen and Torque
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  Speaker 1: at first base. And I don't mean like a lefty
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  Speaker 1: righty platoon, but like you make that the competition at
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  Speaker 1: first base is that, like, you know, all right, here's
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  Speaker 1: your hitting competition. You got to hit better than Jay
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  Speaker 1: Hen if you're going to be playing a special turtlesen
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  Speaker 1: like as opposed to signing somebody for sixty million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out possibilities here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really interesting take, and I
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  Speaker 2: do want to clarify what I said. Like, although it's
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  Speaker 2: very easy and lazy to just say spin, spin, spin,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Tigers need to be aggressive on some
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  Speaker 2: level this winter, whether that's a trade, whether that's looking
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  Speaker 2: at Brent Rooker, who's really only kind of a DH now,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe he doesn't make as much sense as we
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  Speaker 2: once did. Like, like, they have to add to this roster,
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  Speaker 2: they have to get more hitting. The reason I leen
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  Speaker 2: first base, look, if they're willing to spend seven two
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  Speaker 2: hundred or whatever on Alex Bregman, I think they should
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  Speaker 2: do it. I think proven winner experience, like do it,
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  Speaker 2: but let's operate under the world in which they're not
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  Speaker 2: comfortable with this. The reason I lean more toward first base,
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  Speaker 2: I think comes down to, like, which do you feel
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  Speaker 2: better about Matt Vierling and Jace Young platooning at third
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  Speaker 2: or Spencer Torkelsen being really your only real option at
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  Speaker 2: first base. I would take Vierling and Young a thousand
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time. You know Vierling is a solid player,
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  Speaker 2: You're still very interested to see what Jace Young can be.
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  Speaker 2: And at first the ceiling's pretty good, but that floor
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  Speaker 2: is also very very low. I like your Jay hinn
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  Speaker 2: idea too. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if coming
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  Speaker 2: into camp Torque and jayhen Or like competing for the
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  Speaker 2: same roster spot. Very curious to see if either of
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  Speaker 2: them will try a different position as I've suggested for
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  Speaker 2: maybe Torque outfield, as we suggested a million times jahin
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  Speaker 2: first base, so right handed corner type DH type. They
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  Speaker 2: seem to fill a very similar role. I think it
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  Speaker 2: would almost be hard to have like both of them
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: on a roster. I mean, I guess unless you're getting
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: like the thirty homer version of Tork, But even that
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: version of Towrk like needed to get on base more
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and needed to play better defense. So it's tough. But
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: just because you're signing a first baseman, especially if you
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: do it on a shorter term deal, you're not necessarily
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: giving up on Torkelsen. You're basically looking at you're basically
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: extending the timeframe to figure out what the heck to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: do with him. And I think if you're trying to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: make the postseason next year, just running it back with
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Tork as your only real guy at first seems very
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: very dangerous to me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Well it is, and you know, to Scott's credit, he
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: did lay out there like you know, obviously at a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: turbulent season and like he's gonna have to put in
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of work this offseason. That's really the age
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: old question with Torque because we didn't really get like
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: as much tangible evidence of changes made in Triple A
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: leading to his call up. Like there's some things you
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: can kind of look at, you know, you can try
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to diagnose his swing if you wanted to. I did
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: make note that he had much differently.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Way better going to his his uh back end side.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the heck they did differently, he
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: suddenly went from very bad to like pretty good at it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Well, he also became a better hitter in the batter's box.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: What I mean by dad is he started walking at
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a clip that was astronomically higher than he had before.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: You know, he got sent down, So again, was that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: worth I don't know, Uh, but I have to imagine
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that there's a huge, huge, like amount of data and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: work and coaching that they're going to have to go.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: You give him in this offseason and he's gonna like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: this is kind of like a not take it or
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: leave it. But in terms of how the organization views you,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of look at it as like a little
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: bit of a take it or leave it off season
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: for Torque, Like, take this coaching, take this instruction and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: make something out of it. There there's a long list
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of guys that they have like given a plan to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and when they adhere to the plan, they improve. So
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they're not the interest of trying to get you to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: do something you can't do. That's the whole point of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: this organization. So if you can take it, then your
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: solidify your stance in this in this organization is a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: hell of a lot higher. If you can't, things could
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: get really uncomfortable be.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: For you really fast.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree with that assessment. It's also
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a lot easier to give those plans, and like this
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: organization is great at developing pitching because pitching just the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: nature of it. It's easier to give a guy a
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: plan and you have tangible metrics and pitch design and
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: pitch labs, and like it's just harder for hitters, like
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: across the game, every organization, it's just hard. And the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: reason I cannot be that optimistic about Tour because he
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: has fourteen hundred Major League play appearances, Like what more
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: data do you need than that? You know there's some
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: good in there, but uh, there's not enough good that
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you can risk basically making the playoffs again next season
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: on In my opinion, no.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I mean that's it's probably the most uncomfortable element of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: this organization right now because again the uh, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: one of the front facing guys. If we rebuild number
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: one overall pick, you know, people can just kind of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: cling to the county numbers from two years ago. Like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it's one of the more like uncomfortable aspects of the organization.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Right out there with Casey Mies and Matt Manning.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That as well, and Hobby or Bias, who was also
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: like talked about, which actually you know there was there
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was some conversations like why is he with the team stuff?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You know, the people that were just kind of mean
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: spirited on X by Way, Cody's at Cody, David Hagen,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I am at Kieran underscore Steckley. Uh, I thought it
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was I like, I don't I understand having a problem
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with him kind of being in the clubhouse. A lot
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of guys are there that aren't playing, and he is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: someone who has some First of all, he's well liked.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: There's a Russell Westbrook element to Hoveyer biased man. That's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a great analogy and uh and like guys just love him,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, say what, he's got a ring,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but Russ could have had a ring there in two thousand,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: But like, but Hobby doesn't have an MVP. Russ has
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: an MVP. So there you go.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Uh so there's an element like guys in the game
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: love him more than people outside the game. And so
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't understand any pushback to that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But Scott was really trying to cover his bases talking
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about Hobbier where he's just like, you know, he has
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a role on this team, Well he's got to get
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: way better, Like like it was kind of talking talking
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: out of both ways and like basically saying like, look,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we're not cutting him. We're gonna have to figure it
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: out here that he is certainly not penning to the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: starting rotation, but then again, or not starting rotation, starting lineup.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: But then again, it's not like Tray Sweeney's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: As much as we like can admire what he did
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: down the stretch here, it's not like he was tearing
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the cover off the ball. It's not like he was
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: elite defensively, Like that is still a position that could
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: end up being a hole in twenty twenty five.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tray Sweeney was not great there in the postseason,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: but Baia is like, no, I look, I think it
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: was good that he showed up for a while. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: was where he like, is he not going to be
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: there for the playoffs? Because that's awkward. Usually guys who
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: are part of the team on the forty man, like
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: are on the forty man if they're like injured or whatever.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: So sixty day al are are going to be around
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Like Christian Yelich is on you know, the top of
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the Brewers stuck out, and I was very curious if
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Hovey was sure enough. He was even drove himself from
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Detroit to Cleveland, so go to on Hobvey. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Scott's first part of his answer about Hovey was like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know, paraphrasing here big time, but like you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I said, we need a right handed bad and Javey
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: or Bias does hit right handed and he got killed
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: for that. And I think if Scott had to do
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that over again, he just like, I don't I think
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: he just would have not said that, Like, you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that came across probably how how
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: he meant it In his brain, because then he did
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: go on to say, like, you know, if he can
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: rotate like he used to, which is an interesting one,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Like I guess being healthier couldn't hurt, But I don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: think any procedure at this point in Hobby's career is
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: going to bring back twenty eighteen Hobby by as you're
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: hoping you can get league average production out of him
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: at this point, and there's also a lot of data
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: suggests that might be a stretch gap when you're under
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: contract for three seventy three, Like, so you talk about
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the torque thing like you kind of got a try
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: because he's a talented young player, Like when you're paying
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a guy three seventy three, you kind of got a try.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of what Scott Harris, like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: if you read between the lines, that's what you're saying, like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: we don't have much of a choice but run this
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: back and hope he's healthier and hope we can get
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: something out of here. I think the real question is
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: he actually going to be a Tiger all the way
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: through next season? It sure doesn't seem like they're buying
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: him out this winter. Scott said he'll be a participant
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in spring training. Unclear if he's going to be ready
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to play opening day based on the health of his hip.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So what if he comes back and he's had the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: surgery and he gets healthy and he still stinks that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: changed the equation. I don't I don't really know. It's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: still a lot of money, as you've been kind of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the first guy to point out, Karen. But I think
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the question is not does he show
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: up in Lakeland. I don't think there's any questions showing
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: up in Lakeland. But if he comes back from the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: surgery and it's more the same, then could we see
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: some level of action take.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, in the era where they cracked down on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the phantom, I l it's a it's a little it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a little harder to to to hide guys in that situation.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like there was some some talk here that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: was like a little bit like charge, let's let's let's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: go to like a little bit of a of a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: positive uh potentially positive development that would constitute spending. Is
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the potential for a Teark school extension?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I we were we were asked on foul territory. Uh, well,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you were asked, and then you needed but I couldn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: help you at all. It was like, you know, who
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: are the top three extension candidates for the Tigers And
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you were like, you know school Bol and you know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: little Spiel there, and then grain you know little Spiel there,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and You're like, uh, guarantee you got one. I was
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: just like I was going through the same thing in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: my head. I was like, I really think there is one.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's just her reminder of how hard extensions are.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: We're in this age where they're very popular for kind
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of relates to the free agency stuff we just talked about.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: When teams have good young players, they want to pay
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: them and lock them up while they are still young
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and have them under their control. Teams hope that that
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: saves them money in the long run. That also helps
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: them kind of avoid the risk factor of paying a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: guy seven years when he's already thirty or whatever. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: so even though these deals are really popular, they're still
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: really hard to find the right fit. Like it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this cool Keith pre debut extension was kind of creative.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It makes sense the Tigers don't really have a pre
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: debut guy, you know, who's at a high enough level
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in the minors that you would want to pay at
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: least I don't think. And if you're gonna pay like
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Max Clark right now, like you wouldn't. I don't think
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you're gonna pay him, like, you know, a couple mil
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: while he's in eary next year. So as we've discussed,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like Riley Green, great player, had a great year, how
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: do you feel about his health? What does Green's camp want? Maybe,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: like if they were to extend anyone, that's probably the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: most realistic. Even there, they're complicating factors. I said, like
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Kerry Carpenter Eric Kratz to his crazy like, you're not
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: extending a platoon guy, and he's kind of right because
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like why why would you? And if I'm carry Carpenter's camp,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be like, eh, well, we think he's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: more than just a platoon guy, so we're not going
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to take platoon money.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I guess Jackson job who relates to Terreik school, Joe's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a Boris client. And then you're paying pitching, which I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: at one point had come to the decision I was
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: not a fan, like I'm just not paying pictures ever
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: because they all break. I've changed my mind on one
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Trek's Scooble. I think, if you have the best picture
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: in the game, who is still young, has the chance
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to dominate four years to come, yet try to pay
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the guy. So if I'm Scott, I think I said
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: this one felt territory, I make the call. If I'm
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Scott Harrison, make the call it Scott Boris, And I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: don't know if that conversation is going to last more
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: than ten seconds, but I think you kinda try the Godfather,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: like name your price, what do you want? I know
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you think you can get him a lot in two
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: years time. We're willing to give you a lot right
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: now because if you were to move on from Schooble,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: all you're going to be trying to do is replace him.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's all total hypothetical talk. I don't know
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that Boris would still be willing to do it. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: would lean toward probably not. But it's an interesting thought.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Well, there's.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Most of these now it's position players, so it's a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: little bit different. But a lot of these, like massive
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: extensions are kind of formulating the way that it's like
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: all right in year making it up like Bobby Witz
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like in year nine. It looks like a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty favorable deal for the team.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Cole Keith.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: There's an element you look at the contract there where
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if you anticipate this little production,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you're paying for this, like there's a good deal there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: There's also an element of wanting to take care of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: your own guys, which I think is something that Scott
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Harris would like the organization to be known for. Obviously
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: there's a time and place to kind of do that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, but I think that would be something
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that he wants. And in general, you have an opportunity
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: this winter, Cody, to change the reputation or the perception
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: more specifically of your franchise, whether that's how you handle
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: yourself in free agency in general, what you know, the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Bregman type of or whatever, or it's taking care of
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the school ball types because now you have a track
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: record as an organization of winning and developing players. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like that. They talk about things to capitalize. I think
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in some way they have to capitalize on that, because
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you're never going to take the next step as an
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: organization if you don't, if you don't change your mindset.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: To use an example, Cody and I are very familiar
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: with Oklahoma State. My freshman year goes to the Festaval
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: beat Stanford number three finish Cody's freshman year. That recruiting
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: class was the same as if they had been you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: didn't have that success in the years prior. Like, it
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was just kind of the same type of recruiting class,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and the result was struggling to get Bowl eligible you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that year, and then just kind of a circus of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks there after that. So, like Gundhi didn't change his
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: mindset after historic season, this is obviously not a Fiesta
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Ble type season for Scott Harris, but it is an
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: opportunity to change like how people view your organization in
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: my opinion.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in sha one real quick note on the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Schoogle thing, Like I think if there's any structure that
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: could get a deal done, it would require an opt
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: out after like year I don't know four or five.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You pay Schooble more than he's going to make in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: these upcoming arbitration years, but you give Scott borson out
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: basically a couple of years after that to test the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: open market again. That could be something that could make
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: sense for both sides.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think anyone would object to that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: If it's one of those things that gets it done,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: then I feel like that would be a win all around,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and again a win for the fan base, a win
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: for relations with players and agents and so like, I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: don't want us to have the kind of conversations that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we had this summer where it was like, are they
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: doing enough to take advantage of school bulls like team
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: control years that I feel like this season you should them. Yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: can we go a summer without terror school trade rumors?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I think we won't. I don't think we ever will,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: even if the Tigers are the best team in the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: league next year, I think we'll hear about it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, very true, very true.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, fascinating, fascinating to see how they handle it. Like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I say this all the time because he's so new
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: at the job, but it is like another test for
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: how Scott Harris is gonna handle this aspect of organizational building.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And I'll repeat myself in case you know, we have
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: some new listeners. You know, he's a guy that claims
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in two, three, four, five, six year plans.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: The evidence for not believing in quote your plans is like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: what if you unexpectedly make a run to the division
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: series and you arguably could have been in the in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the championship series, then you have to adjust, you have
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to pivot. And this is a pivot moment for Scott Harris.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Pivot moment I think, a huge off season in his tenure.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's kind of like the election,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Like every year, every election is like this isn't the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: country at a crossroads? Like I guess every off season
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: is like a pivotal off season. But this is like
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: this turning point, kind of an inflection point in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: org And how do you push forward to make sure
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that you don't revert to a young team that wins
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: seventy eight games next year? Because it's for me, it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: not hard to see a world in which that happens.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But I also think with a couple of the right
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: key additions, that won't happen, and you can be contending
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: to win the Ale Central.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: There is I mentioned expectations earlier. I'll close with this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: There's like, all right, well you had this young team
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he made this run kind of reminds me of aj
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Hinch's early tenuere det Passing, wrote this minds of aj
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Hinch's early tenure with the Astros, and it's like, could
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: this be a team that's perpetually in the postseason and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: making some kind of run. He wasn't putting the expectations
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of like LCS, you know, seven straight years or whatever,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: but he was like, could this be the beginning of something?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: There's your expectation if you're Scott Harris, You're Riley Green,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you're Tek Schoolvill, your aj Hinch, your Kerry Carpenter, special
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: torlsen To, you know whatever extent, Like, there's the expectation
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: laid out for you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: How are you gonna handle it?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So it will be I'll fasting offseason and we will
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: be here on Tiger Territory, not turning the corner on
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Tiger Territory as a part of the Foul Territory Network,
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  Speaker 1: covering it every step of the way. We'll have multiple
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  Speaker 1: podcasts a week during the offseason. We'll up the ante
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  Speaker 1: a little bit once the season starts, a season that
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody is very eager to see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Cody's got to get some rest, though, all right, we.
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  Speaker 1: Don't have to get the we don't have to get
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five seasons started two soon.
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  Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: And we want to thank everybody for making the transition
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  Speaker 1: from Turning the Corner to Tiger Territory and any new
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  Speaker 1: listeners we might have picked up, you know, as joining
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  Speaker 1: the network. It's it's a great honor. I know Cody
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  Speaker 1: and I are very excited to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: this organization. And it's just I can just tell it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. I can just tell
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun. Aj Prizinski's giving
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  Speaker 1: me bear down as soon as I get on the show,
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  Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a lot of fun being a
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  Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family.
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  Speaker 3: So uh, I want to thank everybody.
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  Speaker 1: For following us along at Tiger Territory, Underscore, at Cody
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  Speaker 1: State under Cody Stavenhagen, I am at Kieran Underscore Steckley,
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  Speaker 1: and be sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, wherever
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  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Tiger Territory for Cody Stavenhagen, I
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  Speaker 1: am Kieren Steckley. Everybody, have a great day,