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The Surprising Truth Behind Conspiracy Theories | Sheep Farm Studios · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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Speaker 2: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throuw. I'm a former
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Speaker 2: Rumeries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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Speaker 2: eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port
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Speaker 2: the t Shirt Podcast. Don, Chris, how are we doing?
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Speaker 3: Hey?
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Speaker 2: Christ su al right, we were mid question then Don, Sorry, Yes,
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Speaker 2: I live on the coast. Hence why you might his seagulls.
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Speaker 4: Squawking not Steven Siegufler.
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Speaker 2: Well, I thought this mike was one of those directional
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Speaker 2: ones where it only kind of got what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: So I don't probably why my audio podcast. Probably we
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Speaker 2: can eat a lot and clear there, mate, Yeah, good good.
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Speaker 2: So just to explain friends at home and to domin Chris,
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Speaker 2: if I'm looking over there, it's not because I'm ignoring
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Speaker 2: my guests and you know, checking my bank account it's
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Speaker 2: that I've got another screen over there where I'm showing
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Speaker 2: people at home some of the stuff we're talking about,
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Speaker 2: including these two wonderful gentlemen's YouTube channel. Just going to
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Speaker 2: show that now to give us a bit of to
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Speaker 2: kind of center ourselves. There we go, Sheep Farm Studios.
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Speaker 2: Congrats guys on you know, making the cut because quite
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Speaker 2: a lot of people went by the bye during the
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Speaker 2: medical nonsense, didn't they.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember that, Chris, what happened? Then?
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Speaker 4: Tweet tweet tweet tweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well a lot
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Speaker 4: of them videos aren't on now from the actual time.
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Speaker 4: Most of our videos got They either got taken down
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Speaker 4: or I took them down because we're going to get
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Speaker 4: struck off, really.
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Speaker 2: And now that everyone they struck off, they're letting back on.
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Speaker 3: Strange in it. Yeah, old stuff popping back.
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Speaker 4: We're talking to somebody about that the other day. And
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Speaker 4: I think that Google and YouTube now are actually becoming
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Speaker 4: legacy brands and self. They're not the technology in crowd
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Speaker 4: for the listeners anymore, and probably they're when they do
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Speaker 4: their forecasting, they'll have to have how many subscribers, how
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Speaker 4: many channels have opened down in new channels imagine if
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Speaker 4: they reinstate two three million channels that have been canceled.
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Speaker 4: Thereas they'll be classes new channels. So when they go
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Speaker 4: for more funding, for instance, they can say we're growing,
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Speaker 4: We're you know, we're expanding now.
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Speaker 3: Right right, No, sorry, because I was going to say,
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Speaker 3: I got a weird one. We've got an Instagram for
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Speaker 3: sheet Fan just where to put images up and doodles
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Speaker 3: and stuff I do for the thumbnails. And I received
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Speaker 3: a lot of messages going back about a month from
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, like thirty when we first set up
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Speaker 3: the Instagram. I've got like thirty thirty or forty messages
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Speaker 3: over two days from twenty twenty two. So what I
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Speaker 3: mean is, you know, when they would just set it up,
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Speaker 3: I was expecting, you know, some interaction. People trying interact
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Speaker 3: with me couldn't interact with them. I emailed them all
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Speaker 3: back and said, I've just got this from twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 3: But I thought that was odd. That was very odd.
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Speaker 2: Yes, bizarre stuff happened a lot of people. There's a
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Speaker 2: funny thing with if I say the platform, I'm obviously
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Speaker 2: referring to the one that everyone knows I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: Don't don't want a bad mouth and too much looking
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Speaker 2: a gift as in the mouth and all that kind
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Speaker 2: of thing. But it does make you wonder, especially when
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Speaker 2: you know that the person that owns, you know, a
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Speaker 2: certain platform is all like shackled in with a kebal
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Speaker 2: and that you know they're shenanigans and that and and
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Speaker 2: I explained it to everyone during the medical nonsense. I
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Speaker 2: said that there's probably like a collaboration of advertisers that
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Speaker 2: come under some sort of umbrella organization, and they're so
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Speaker 2: powerful that they dictate to these platforms what they're going
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Speaker 2: to be allowed to talk about and not. And when
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Speaker 2: you think that Black Rock had got their DIBs in
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Speaker 2: each and every single one of them anyway, basically controlling share,
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Speaker 2: it's not easy to see why they have to adhere
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Speaker 2: to the deer to the narrative that said, why they're
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Speaker 2: letting them all all? And and another thing sorry that
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Speaker 2: I said back then is everyone's like, ah, if you're
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Speaker 2: still on YouTube, you're paid opposition. And I used to say, no,
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Speaker 2: it's not. I literally, you know, David Ike, Hello David,
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Speaker 2: if you ever get to watch this one, wonderful gentlemen
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Speaker 2: friend of mine. But I saw David getting closer and
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Speaker 2: closer and closer to the knuckle and then basically coming
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Speaker 2: out and saying these procedures are lethal, and I was like, Dave,
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Speaker 2: you can't say that. It's just in the rule. It
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Speaker 2: literally is in the rules on this platform. You cannot
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Speaker 2: go against the World Health Organization or they'll love you out.
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Speaker 2: And that's literally what happens. So a lot of people
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Speaker 2: were kind of yeah, I'm a truper. I got kicked
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Speaker 2: off where it's like, no, you you broke their.
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Speaker 4: A badge oft They've got a badge of honor, and
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Speaker 4: in reality it's their turf looking at the rules of color.
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Speaker 4: If you're go into a pub and start drinking, bringing
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Speaker 4: your own beer and they're going to kick you out.
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Speaker 2: Not unless you're as wildly as I am drinking.
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Speaker 3: Maybe not drinking it out of a boot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, how did you negotiate that? Because the way
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Speaker 2: I negotiated it, I had a lot of guests would
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Speaker 2: come on they say, right, when we talk about that thing,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to use this word like lollipop, And I
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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but that's still kind of like telling
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Speaker 2: the whole world what you're talking about, isn't it. You're
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Speaker 2: just using a euphemism that everyone can understand. I said,
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Speaker 2: why don't you just call it that thing? That's what
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Speaker 2: I do and everyone in the world knows. During a
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Speaker 2: medical nonsense, there was that thing that people, you know.
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Speaker 3: We called it.
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Speaker 4: I called it three dart finish at first, or the
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Speaker 4: Britney Spears and a few of our mites. Then raserbuf
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Speaker 4: said have you been to the Britney Spears concert? So
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Speaker 4: that started that side of angle off. So am Spears
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Speaker 4: started and when it was just two, you'll get this one.
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Speaker 4: When it was just two that the toold you had
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Speaker 4: to have. It was a double tap. Yeah, So that's
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Speaker 4: where that started, didn't it, Chris? And then it were
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Speaker 4: a three dart finish ye remember that one? Rooster booster
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Speaker 4: gibberty jabberies. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: On the plus side, you know, looking at other people's
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Speaker 2: you know, what do you call it? Making making the
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Speaker 2: most of other people's misery. It was a great time
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Speaker 2: to be a YouTuber if you if you, if you
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Speaker 2: didn't get deplatformed, with every everyone locked in their houses
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Speaker 2: on and off for two years, it kind of gave
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Speaker 2: you that kind of ideal start that you really want,
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Speaker 2: aren't on YouTube because otherwise YouTube it's really hard, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean we were looking for viewers for
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Speaker 4: a start. I knew our stuff probably get deplatformed and demonetized,
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Speaker 4: so we'd already set a website up, and we stored
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Speaker 4: all the audio and video in a data center as
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Speaker 4: well as here on privately if you like. So a
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Speaker 4: lot of our videos are privately released, so I don't
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Speaker 4: rely on YouTube. We don't actually rely on YouTube at all.
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Speaker 4: We put stuff on YouTube, but the stuff that we
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Speaker 4: don't think is going to make it, we'll leave off.
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Speaker 4: So the early presentations we did were about Matt, Matt Wangkocker,
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Speaker 4: Chris Wit the Sith, and so I went, we delved
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Speaker 4: into I delved into their backgrounds. I mean, Chris presented
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Speaker 4: it on a on a podcast that went a bit
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Speaker 4: went a bit wild, isn't it, Chris? Yeah, Viral tried.
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Speaker 3: To get me even before the nonsense. Domond tried to
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Speaker 3: get me to do a you know, truth platform, if
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Speaker 3: you like, for one of their word and I was
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Speaker 3: kind of, look, I always wanted to do the drawings
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Speaker 3: for it. I didn't really want to do this, if
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Speaker 3: I'm honest, I didn't. I did I didn't. I didn't,
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Speaker 3: but he kind of dragged He dragged me in by
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Speaker 3: I lied to you. He blatantly lied to me, said
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Speaker 3: we're going to do He said, I've written the script,
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Speaker 3: let's do a test, test run. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: release it or anything. It's just for me and you,
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Speaker 3: just to see how it goes. I'm all right, and
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Speaker 3: I didn't even want to do that. I did it,
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Speaker 3: and then he released it, and then that's it that
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Speaker 3: it then kind of really but he used to really
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Speaker 3: stress me out. I don't mind it, and I enjoy
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Speaker 3: it now, but for the first six months year, even
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Speaker 3: the year, I think it kind of stressed me out
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Speaker 3: a bit. To be fair, I didn't really want to
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Speaker 3: do it.
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Speaker 2: What what what? What aspects of it actually stressed you out?
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Speaker 3: I don't really like talking at all because I'm a
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Speaker 3: doodler and a sculpture sculptures and a draw so I'm
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Speaker 3: kind of I don't really want any attention, A very
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Speaker 3: insull But.
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Speaker 4: You're not, really, are you, because you're actually quite out
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Speaker 4: of both of us.
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Speaker 3: I'm probably yeah, yeah, yes, I'm probably more of a
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Speaker 3: I talked to more people than Donda's. Yeah, very chatting.
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Speaker 3: I mean, but he didn't mean that. I just don't
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Speaker 3: like I didn't. I don't know. I didn't want to.
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Speaker 3: Something made me nervous about it, and I don't know
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Speaker 3: where it was, but I always wanted to do something
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Speaker 3: because even with Missus, I'd drown on at her about
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Speaker 3: you know, all this theories and stuff, and she'd be like, well,
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Speaker 3: you need to do something about it. Then don't shut
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Speaker 3: up and stop telling me you need to do something
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Speaker 3: about it. And when Dom mentioned me and him doing
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Speaker 3: some much, she said, I think that would be really good.
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Speaker 3: I think i'd work. You've got two brothers talking about
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Speaker 3: this stuff. You know, we know what We've got them
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Speaker 3: not saying knowledge, but we've got a lot of because
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Speaker 3: we've been down the rabbit hole for years and years,
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Speaker 3: even longer than I can remember. So miss said, I
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Speaker 3: think it would be good, and stop talking to me
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Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, let's wait, all right, I enjoy it now,
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Speaker 3: sid wet e vent.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, obviously, sheep farm did Where
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Speaker 2: did the name originate or the concept?
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Speaker 4: Our dad were a butcher and we were brought up
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Speaker 4: on a small olding in rural Huddersfield and we had sheep,
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Speaker 4: so sheep fan, we're always a name in my head.
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Speaker 4: And also it's that we're all sheep and we're all
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Speaker 4: being farmed. So that's where it really it stems from.
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Speaker 4: I'd wanted to do it back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 4: had a few few health issues going on, and it
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Speaker 4: ended up where the light, the light or the fire
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Speaker 4: was lit. In twenty twenty, for some strange reason, it
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Speaker 4: became urgent in it. Then, Yeah, it became I think, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I think that called to arms. It were called tom
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Speaker 4: you were a card of arms. Yeah, And Chris I
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Speaker 4: said this often. I've never been in the military like
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Speaker 4: you have, but it was the first time in my
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Speaker 4: life that I thought I'd have to pick a weapon.
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Speaker 4: I thought there was going to be a civil war
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Speaker 4: already to fight and might. Yeah, it was a strange
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Speaker 4: sensation to have that. Fuck it, this is it. I
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Speaker 4: don't know if anybody else thought that I weren't angry.
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Speaker 3: I weren't.
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Speaker 4: I thought, this is why I'm here. I've probably got
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Speaker 4: born aboard shot in first ten seconds.
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Speaker 3: Like, but you put your like you put you put
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Speaker 3: your line in the sand. Don't know, I'm not getting
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Speaker 3: that medical intervention, and if anyone tries to give me
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Speaker 3: that medical intervention, I'm going down, yeah, swinging.
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Speaker 2: It's it's a it's an easy cliche to come out with,
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Speaker 2: and boy, we've all heard it over the last five years,
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Speaker 2: haven't we. You know, they're going to take down the
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Speaker 2: kebar and you know, bring make Rome crumble and all
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Speaker 2: this sort of thing. But there's a lot of realities
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Speaker 2: going on there that First off, you know, I love
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Speaker 2: my family, and if I thought I was going to
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Speaker 2: get locked away in prison for twenty years for you know,
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Speaker 2: taking out a member of the Gendarme just sing to
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Speaker 2: be a bit loose when me work and get some
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Speaker 2: some some YouTube in the Philippines misunderstands what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: But and then they're right, mister throw you know, you're
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Speaker 2: now sentenced to fifteen years hard labor. Inside it, I'd
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Speaker 2: be thinking, oh, I probably should have had that thing,
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Speaker 2: shouldn't I even Yeah, And don't get me wrong, I
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Speaker 2: feel as ardent against it as I think any especially
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Speaker 2: as I know they're futile that if I use the
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Speaker 2: word fiction in that whole area at on. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've had Andy Kaufman on the show dr Andy terrain theory,
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, talk about wake up to the massive,
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Speaker 2: massive scam that's been played globally for the last one
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two hundred years.
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Speaker 4: I've got a slight different take on turin theory because
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Speaker 4: natural health's a big thing in my life. Wen't run
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Speaker 4: a natural health clinic in my life. But so about
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Speaker 4: ten years ago, started studying, I realized that terrain theory and.
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Speaker 3: I call it germ theory.
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Speaker 4: But the fact is that both theories, all right, so
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Speaker 4: and it's it's and I'm not saying that there's no
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Speaker 4: truth in it, by the way. I'm saying that both theories.
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Speaker 4: But if if let's just say they're running special operations
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Speaker 4: using modified whatever biological things, then that's a different world,
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Speaker 4: is that. And I'm not saying anything was happening, by
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Speaker 4: the way in twenty twenty. I'm just saying that that's
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Speaker 4: a different world. And whether it's a frequency let's call it,
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Speaker 4: that can generate a similar feeling to what they're saying
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Speaker 4: is caused by X y Z or that the spray
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Speaker 4: and everybody and dropping something into the atmosphere that's infiltrating
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Speaker 4: us that creates a look of like something could pass
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Speaker 4: from someone to someone as well. So I think biolog
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Speaker 4: biological weapons had a different sit somewhere in the middle
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Speaker 4: of all that terrain versus germ theory as well.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But there's also you know, there's so much to
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Speaker 2: factor in here before we even really need to go
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Speaker 2: to if we call it conspiracy, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean exactly?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, solar flares, you know, a change in the electromagnetic field.
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Speaker 2: You've got I don't know, let's say thirty trillion cells,
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Speaker 2: all of which operate via energy vibration and frequency. Change
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Speaker 2: in the field puts you into a detox. So you
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Speaker 2: suddenly have this harren. You know, you're discharging whatever it
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Speaker 2: might be, the acid from your body, your toxins, whatever,
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Speaker 2: in a wonner. It feels like you've, you know, come
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Speaker 2: down with this awful thing, and what have we been
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Speaker 2: trained to do? We blame it on Steve in the
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Speaker 2: co op, you know, or Dave down the parb or
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Speaker 2: whatever and some yeah coffee on you. Yeah, And you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff there. There's also the fact
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Speaker 2: that three times I've been seriously ill in my life,
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Speaker 2: and I remember each you know, or on three times
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Speaker 2: not the only three times. Once was uh when I
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Speaker 2: worked at paul in Dorset, which is a Special Forces base,
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Speaker 2: and I don't also special Forces an amphibious warfare and
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Speaker 2: I don't know what electronics they've got there, what they're
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Speaker 2: using to talk to their blokes around the world, yadda, yadda.
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Speaker 2: And then also my first time in Sweden where they
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Speaker 2: had the the ericson phone network, leaders of technology that
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Speaker 2: they are, and we didn't have all that back back
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Speaker 2: here in such magnitude then, and my first time there
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Speaker 2: I went into this I just call it a massive detox.
15:39
Speaker 2: And another time I was in Norway and of course
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Speaker 2: they were all very you know, there was all sat
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Speaker 2: all the teeny boppers would sit in the bus stops
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Speaker 2: doing doing this and I used to think, what what
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Speaker 2: they doing? And you know what they are? They all
15:52
Speaker 2: playing games on their phone or I thought they're playing
15:54
Speaker 2: that Frogger or whatever that you know, the work the
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Speaker 2: worm game wasn't it. But no, of course they had
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Speaker 2: tech messages and staff and which we we weren't that advanced.
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Speaker 4: And guess one's Ericsson Sven he used to do before
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Speaker 4: he got double tapped. The Wallenberg family known as the
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Speaker 4: Rothschilds of Scandinavia, and they also owned astroz Necker.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, everything to.
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Speaker 3: See here, I will say, Chris, I thought, remember when
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Speaker 3: the nonsense was happening, people were saying they've lost the
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Speaker 3: sense of smell and stuff, and I actually thought it
16:31
Speaker 3: was psycho semetic. I thought, that's it's nonsense, Di you'd
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Speaker 3: falling from. But I got really early in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one fight was it?
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Speaker 4: He went in winter twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 3: It yeah, and I got a nose infection as blood
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Speaker 3: coming out my nose. My throat was swelled up. I
16:43
Speaker 3: could hardly even breathe. I had a fever and all sorts,
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Speaker 3: and my sense of smell one it's never been the
16:48
Speaker 3: same since, by the way. But there was something, and
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Speaker 3: I think he was around that red dust time on
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Speaker 3: it fire if we know, that would a bit after that,
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Speaker 3: but after but I don't know if it was spread.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was. But my son was here.
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Speaker 3: He was saying, where you were living in, folks, and
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Speaker 3: he said loads of people got ill, and a lot
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Speaker 3: of them said the felt I had been poisoned. And
17:06
Speaker 3: to me that hit the nail and they had a
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Speaker 3: felt like I had been poisoned. It wasn't an illness.
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Speaker 3: I've had a flu before. It wasn't a flu. It
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Speaker 3: was someone else. And I'm not saying it worth the
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Speaker 3: bullshit either, because I don't believe it was. But I
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Speaker 3: did get weird. Tell us no, well, a lot of
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Speaker 3: the symptoms fat it fitted in with radiation poison. I
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Speaker 3: think it for you that pointed that out, because fever,
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Speaker 3: then you got Betty. He thought you were all right,
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Speaker 3: then you came down with it again. It was very strange,
17:29
Speaker 3: but that was enough to convince not me, but a
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Speaker 3: lot of people. I reckon that there was this mystical
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Speaker 3: green mist floating around and infect everybody. Have you heard
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Speaker 3: of the Have you heard of Operation Cauldron.
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Speaker 4: That they were running during World War two and up
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Speaker 4: to about nineteen eighty nine in the UK.
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Speaker 2: I have a tell me more. These operations always come
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Speaker 2: out of a load of skud doggery, don't they.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean it's quite a well known what
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Speaker 4: they were doing. There was spraying. There were hundreds of
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Speaker 4: sorters on operations run via military planes, spraying the length
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Speaker 4: and breadth of the UK, not just England with zinc
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Speaker 4: cabmium and a derivative of anthrax. Now I know the
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Speaker 4: germ theory. People that are in theater, I won't do
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Speaker 4: you any harm this, But we're talking it coming from
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Speaker 4: Portland down here. We're not talking that. There was you
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Speaker 4: know there smart as that were dropping all over the place.
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Speaker 4: There was spraying it from the military ships, navy ships
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Speaker 4: off the coast of Pool down there in a radius
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Speaker 4: I think it was something like fifty kilometers or something
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Speaker 4: like that. Then they were monitoring what was happening with
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Speaker 4: people generationally and they're findingly there were birth defects, were
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Speaker 4: all sorts of things going on.
18:39
Speaker 3: But they did they did that. One of them was
18:42
Speaker 3: called the large Area particle trials, I think it was called.
18:44
Speaker 3: They did it in America as well the same time.
18:47
Speaker 3: So they did it for about fifty years and you
18:49
Speaker 3: can find the documents are there in effects one village specifically.
18:53
Speaker 3: The were Norfolk.
18:55
Speaker 4: They did a lot in Norfolk and they sprayed a
18:58
Speaker 4: lot of There was Grunny had Island in Scotland as well,
19:01
Speaker 4: where they spirit they had a load of sheep there.
19:03
Speaker 4: They tied a load of sheep up and sprayed them
19:05
Speaker 4: all supposedly with anthrax, but it could be anything. Might
19:08
Speaker 4: even been some beam or something like that, and they
19:10
Speaker 4: said it was anthrax. Who knows, but I know what
19:13
Speaker 4: the found is that zinc academyum causes respiratory issues, but
19:18
Speaker 4: they said it was safe. So it causes respiratory shoes asthma,
19:22
Speaker 4: type of lung cancers, you know, all that type of stuff.
19:26
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't do that to us?
19:27
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, Operation Cauldron and the Large Area Particle Track
19:33
Speaker 4: even spread it down the London Underground and the monitor
19:35
Speaker 4: I think it went down like ten miles down the
19:36
Speaker 4: London Underground and they monitored the effects of what had
19:40
Speaker 4: actually happened, either to passengers and how many people were
19:44
Speaker 4: off work and things like that. They were spraying it
19:47
Speaker 4: in New York as well through brief from briefcases. This
19:50
Speaker 4: is on their own people.
19:53
Speaker 2: There's so much going on in this equation, isn't there?
19:56
Speaker 2: Because as soon as you shout wolve, everyone thinks they've
19:59
Speaker 2: got got the yes, and especially when the test for
20:04
Speaker 2: it is a bit mickey mouse. Well it's totally mickey mouse.
20:06
Speaker 2: Anyway that you know that that that's not helpful. I
20:12
Speaker 2: was the reason why I talk the way I do
20:15
Speaker 2: on my channel and terrain theories just totally makes sense
20:21
Speaker 2: to me. Is that I went pH neutral in two
20:25
Speaker 2: thousand and three, so I started as everyone who watches
20:29
Speaker 2: my channel will no, I'm always championing test your pH
20:33
Speaker 2: with pH strips and find out if your acid or out.
20:35
Speaker 2: You know, at I can give you a clue. You're
20:38
Speaker 2: not going to be alkaline. You're you know, our carbohydrate
20:42
Speaker 2: diets will put us in the acid because of.
20:44
Speaker 3: The uitogenic day I've done for fifteen years.
20:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. So since I've done this, since
20:52
Speaker 2: I've eaten well majority plant based really, or I get
20:56
Speaker 2: on the supergreens. There you go, folks, Supergreens. There's a link.
20:59
Speaker 2: Will I might make a couple of pence off you
21:02
Speaker 2: from Amazon, But.
21:04
Speaker 4: How dare you that's controlled opposition top to feed yourself?
21:11
Speaker 2: I know, how dare I be a grifter? That's why
21:15
Speaker 2: don't I work for free? But the thing is when
21:20
Speaker 2: when when the old nonsense came out, I knew immediately
21:23
Speaker 2: they were lying because if they wanted, you know, why
21:25
Speaker 2: weren't they saying to people the stuff that I teach
21:28
Speaker 2: that means you never get ill. I haven't been ill
21:30
Speaker 2: since two thousand and three and I used to get
21:32
Speaker 2: ill a lot. I was the two colds and one
21:35
Speaker 2: flu man every year of my life, if not extra extra.
21:40
Speaker 2: And as soon as I realized that or you know,
21:43
Speaker 2: according to the theory, none of that shit can exist
21:46
Speaker 2: in an alkaline environment, then that has been my experience.
21:51
Speaker 2: So rather than lock people in their houses, you know,
21:55
Speaker 2: and create domestic violence and alcohol and substances, use issues
22:00
Speaker 2: and children being and all, you know, way better idea
22:04
Speaker 2: to talk to people about supergreens or make you know,
22:07
Speaker 2: give them discount at the supermarket in the in the
22:09
Speaker 2: veggie isle and all this stuff which they weren't doing, and.
22:14
Speaker 4: Freakbab you get a free kabab, a free burger with
22:17
Speaker 4: your arm spear. Or you can get a big bag
22:20
Speaker 4: of chocolates for about five quid or five pence and
22:23
Speaker 4: but an apple cut your five quid.
22:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just funny, isn't it. I Mean there was
22:29
Speaker 2: a time in my life I would have I probably
22:31
Speaker 2: would have been the worst one for it, telling everyone
22:34
Speaker 2: what to do and all that. What what was your
22:38
Speaker 2: sort of waking up process?
22:41
Speaker 4: I suppose living living in the same house me and Chris,
22:45
Speaker 4: he was in he was into uphology, because he had
22:48
Speaker 4: a sight it when it were a kid, So he
22:52
Speaker 4: sort of woke up pretty early, and I was into
22:56
Speaker 4: things like that. I was into JFK and going back
23:01
Speaker 4: into my teens, early teens. I'm not saying i'd fully
23:04
Speaker 4: realized that the whole thing was Shenanigans, but I'm all
23:08
Speaker 4: about everything, not just JFK. But what that got mean
23:11
Speaker 4: to was Quento Pro and Chaos and all these operations
23:15
Speaker 4: that running in America. And I'm thinking, but they're unning
23:17
Speaker 4: them on their own citizens. You know, I'm only sixteen
23:19
Speaker 4: seventeen at this time, and I were actually going to
23:22
Speaker 4: join the Marines at that time.
23:23
Speaker 3: I also wanted. I wanted to join as well.
23:25
Speaker 4: I went as far down as going to the recruitment office,
23:27
Speaker 4: but something told me it wasn't for me. But anyway,
23:30
Speaker 4: that's another another story. But yes, so from a young
23:35
Speaker 4: age were questioned, which is strange because our upbringing, our
23:38
Speaker 4: parents were probably straight down the middle, weren't they?
23:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, straight down the middle.
23:44
Speaker 2: In fairness, everyone had a UFO experience because of that
23:50
Speaker 2: smash advert, wasn't it. Can you remember? Can you remember remember?
23:58
Speaker 3: I can see it?
23:59
Speaker 2: I remember we had the Daralek sort of voice thing
24:01
Speaker 2: going on.
24:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, smash the end of smash like a little skit
24:07
Speaker 3: every every time.
24:09
Speaker 2: So Chris, can you enlighten us then? Because the whole
24:12
Speaker 2: UFO things getting interesting. I'm listening to you know, I'm
24:16
Speaker 2: really kind of into scripture and the the truth lies
24:21
Speaker 2: with insiders and the journey should go this way rather
24:24
Speaker 2: than that sort of way. And with respect to UFO,
24:27
Speaker 2: I'm just hearing a lot about it might be more
24:30
Speaker 2: an allegorical reference to something, you know, some entity that we.
24:36
Speaker 4: I mean, the UFO means it's identified. I've seen something
24:40
Speaker 4: that doesn't look like a normal flying object. That's all
24:43
Speaker 4: it means. I don't mean to said a's green aliens
24:44
Speaker 4: or whatever being around in it or Dad, Well.
24:47
Speaker 3: I think I think we said this recently. I said
24:49
Speaker 3: this recently. I obviously saw this thing in the sky
24:53
Speaker 3: and then became obsessed with aliens in UFOs. But what
24:57
Speaker 3: what I've realized in recent years is it's the TV
25:01
Speaker 3: that's telling is the aliens from another planet. What you've
25:04
Speaker 3: actually just seen is a thing in the sky. It
25:06
Speaker 3: could be from anywhere. If you if you watch any documentary,
25:09
Speaker 3: you listen to any eyewitnesses about it's usually the commentators
25:13
Speaker 3: of the documentary that then going to tell you it's
25:15
Speaker 3: a massive, expansive universe. It could be from any of
25:18
Speaker 3: these planets, any light years. Well, but the experience has
25:21
Speaker 3: just seen a thing in the sky. Or even the abductees,
25:24
Speaker 3: if you like, they very rarely say that they came
25:26
Speaker 3: from any stars or anything. It's just that they've they've
25:30
Speaker 3: arrived in a thing from a pier. So then it's
25:32
Speaker 3: just discussed that they've come from another universe. But who's
25:35
Speaker 3: not to say they're not from underground or Antarctica or
25:38
Speaker 3: military military, it could be military. Who knows what they are.
25:42
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really don't know, but I was obsessed.
25:44
Speaker 3: And then you think of all those years of reading
25:47
Speaker 3: about all these alien stories, and then you think there's
25:50
Speaker 3: no there's no proof. There though, is that there's no
25:51
Speaker 3: there's no proof except for these things are sported in
25:54
Speaker 3: the sky. And now the fact it's gone mainstream makes
25:57
Speaker 3: me even more suspicious. Now that that comes is it's
26:00
Speaker 3: been a conspiracy since the fifties. Is now you know,
26:03
Speaker 3: the military releasing this footage of UAPs, Like, yeah, now
26:07
Speaker 3: I'm definitely suspected of the whole Shenanigans. No, I don't know.
26:10
Speaker 3: I really don't know. Chris, what's your opinion on that world?
26:13
Speaker 3: If you like you talk?
26:16
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, interested? So I mean, off the bat, off
26:20
Speaker 2: the top of my head, that the alien abduct tee thing,
26:23
Speaker 2: I would wager there's some connection to childhood trauma in
26:29
Speaker 2: that one, almost sort of definitely, unless we believe that
26:33
Speaker 2: people get taken up and probed and put back down again.
26:37
Speaker 2: I don't you know.
26:40
Speaker 3: The stories of you were You weren't on your own either,
26:43
Speaker 3: when you know they are a group of us who
26:47
Speaker 3: saw this thing in the sky near where me and
26:50
Speaker 3: Dom grew up. But it was quite, it was big.
26:53
Speaker 3: Any approached and and my story has never changed. That
26:55
Speaker 3: was only what twelve thirteen year old I think down
26:58
Speaker 3: to nineteen eighty four, right four around that time. Yeah,
27:03
Speaker 3: because we've been we've been sledging, five or six of us,
27:06
Speaker 3: and we just saw these orange dots over the valley,
27:09
Speaker 3: whizzing around. And I do remember my cousin was a
27:11
Speaker 3: bit older. He started saying they were UFOs and I didn't.
27:13
Speaker 3: I don't think I really knew what UFO was. I
27:15
Speaker 3: was that young, and it was that not in the
27:17
Speaker 3: public thing I think is that before ET, when did
27:21
Speaker 3: E T come out? I saw ET, but I don't
27:24
Speaker 3: even I don't even remember putting ET to aliens. I
27:26
Speaker 3: just remember it being a thing with the thing in it,
27:28
Speaker 3: if you know, with a monster in an alien in
27:30
Speaker 3: it creature. But we saw these dots whizzing around, missed
27:34
Speaker 3: my cousin. There was a bit of a bullshit, to
27:35
Speaker 3: be fair, started telling stories about UFOs. We all got
27:37
Speaker 3: a bit scared, so we started making his way back
27:40
Speaker 3: home up this big banking in the snow, and then
27:43
Speaker 3: as we were walking, there was like a I don't know,
27:46
Speaker 3: a sensation or a light, I don't know, but we
27:48
Speaker 3: all kind of turned around and this disc thing was
27:51
Speaker 3: just approaching us, and it just stopped directly above us,
27:54
Speaker 3: and it was massive, just covered that bit of the sky.
27:57
Speaker 3: But the weird thing was and then I thought, I
27:59
Speaker 3: didn't think about this till years later. But the next thing,
28:01
Speaker 3: we were all lying in the snow and my sledge
28:04
Speaker 3: had taken off down the hill, so it was like
28:06
Speaker 3: ten feet away from me. I ran got my sledge
28:09
Speaker 3: and all I think it's five of us we all
28:11
Speaker 3: ran home, just bolted And you know, I lived in
28:13
Speaker 3: the same like area, and no one spoke. We are
28:16
Speaker 3: well jumped over this fence. My mate was at my
28:18
Speaker 3: my cousin was coming to our house. We ran home,
28:20
Speaker 3: told those parents. Everyone just laughed at us. But I
28:22
Speaker 3: remember thinking the next day, well, I knew the next
28:25
Speaker 3: day that we'd seen it, going to school, telling all
28:28
Speaker 3: my mates had seen it. One of my mates said,
28:29
Speaker 3: I could run faster since I saw it, you know,
28:31
Speaker 3: just like kids doing just make up bullshit. And my
28:34
Speaker 3: cousin we were drawing pictures of it, and I was
28:36
Speaker 3: drawing a picture of this day. You couldn't see anything
28:39
Speaker 3: just the day, but my cousin was drawing guns on
28:41
Speaker 3: it and stuff like Star Wars style kind of gun
28:43
Speaker 3: And I remember looking thinking, that's not what we saw.
28:45
Speaker 3: And now I think did he even know that it?
28:48
Speaker 3: Did even remember it happened, because years later, when I
28:51
Speaker 3: got into me like fifteen yet, well fourteen fifteen, I
28:54
Speaker 3: started to really look at it. When I saw some
28:56
Speaker 3: magazine talking about heliens, I started thinking about it again.
29:00
Speaker 3: Since she bumped into some of them in the village
29:01
Speaker 3: and they don't remember anything about it. I think one
29:04
Speaker 3: of us matester has done it on Spider, one of
29:08
Speaker 3: one of the lads, he remembers it, but he didn't
29:09
Speaker 3: remember it until Dom asked him if he remembered it,
29:12
Speaker 3: so he blocked it had gone. But I remembered it.
29:15
Speaker 3: I remember it all the time. It never never went away.
29:17
Speaker 3: But none of the other guys seemed to recall it
29:19
Speaker 3: like I did, which is odd. But like I said,
29:22
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember seeing any aliens or anything.
29:24
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell it was. But but
29:28
Speaker 3: I've always had slightly and this sounds crazy, Chris, but
29:32
Speaker 3: and it might be just from that point, I've always
29:34
Speaker 3: had slightly psychic dreams or I've had a lot of
29:39
Speaker 3: weird psycho psychic experience should I say, not blow your
29:43
Speaker 3: mind weird, but very very old. I mean, I tell
29:46
Speaker 3: Dom about them. I never really told anyone much about him,
29:48
Speaker 3: but since since being.
29:49
Speaker 4: A kid, dreams we did about We've done several live
29:53
Speaker 4: shows called synchronicities that just.
29:56
Speaker 3: Tappened into the weirdness, and a lot of people, you know,
29:59
Speaker 3: they mess back with their synchronosis that these strange coincidences
30:02
Speaker 3: happened to him. I'm not saying it's tied to that.
30:05
Speaker 3: I don't know.
30:06
Speaker 2: Then you gave us some examples.
30:09
Speaker 3: What's a good example, then tell what's a good example.
30:12
Speaker 3: When we first started his podcast, excuse me. Me and
30:17
Speaker 3: Don were just on the phone talking about the Titanic,
30:21
Speaker 3: of all things Titanic. That was it, talking about the Titanic.
30:24
Speaker 3: We just started the podcast and I said, oh, Dom,
30:26
Speaker 3: I've got a book on the Titanic. It's called Olympia.
30:29
Speaker 3: I'd not read it. Actually, I bought it to take
30:30
Speaker 3: on holiday and I never read it. And I picked
30:32
Speaker 3: it up and I said, I've got this book Titanic
30:35
Speaker 3: Olympia about the Titanic. And he went right, and I said,
30:38
Speaker 3: a guy called John Hammer, and he said, jan Ama
30:40
Speaker 3: lives up here. I've got one of his books. We
30:42
Speaker 3: got chatting about John Hammer and he's telling me that
30:44
Speaker 3: and he emailed him that night, emailed Dom and said,
30:48
Speaker 3: can I call on your podcast? Yes? Simple thing. Yeah.
30:52
Speaker 3: But when we first started our podcast, that happ happened
30:54
Speaker 3: a number of times. And this was twenty twenty.
30:56
Speaker 4: There was something going on, Yeah, downloading.
30:59
Speaker 3: My Senior when when went off the scale, and I
31:02
Speaker 3: think it happened with a few podcasts in it. We
31:04
Speaker 3: discussed someone and then they Elena Freelan. Yeah, I said,
31:09
Speaker 3: I was listening to this.
31:10
Speaker 1: It's a bit.
31:11
Speaker 4: It's a bit like Chris. You know, we've never met.
31:13
Speaker 4: And I'm saying this to Chris the other week when
31:16
Speaker 4: I forget we were talking to now, but we've never
31:18
Speaker 4: we've never met.
31:19
Speaker 3: But yeah, we can come on here and.
31:20
Speaker 4: Talk for an hour, two hours, probably noturrouble, no problem.
31:24
Speaker 4: It's like you've known each other. There's some something changed
31:28
Speaker 4: where that that sort of spiritual connection.
31:32
Speaker 3: You sort of know your people, if you like. When
31:34
Speaker 3: they were trying to destroy humanity, a group of us
31:38
Speaker 3: came together, didn't we weirdler? I had one the other day. Actually, Chris,
31:41
Speaker 3: this was quite funny. I couldn't sleep, so I was watching.
31:43
Speaker 3: I ended up, really I was watching the John Hammer
31:46
Speaker 3: and Guy Anderson interview. So they were chatting, and it
31:49
Speaker 3: was six in the morning. I couldn't sleep, and I
31:52
Speaker 3: got up. I've been talking to a guy of a
31:54
Speaker 3: previous days because he's coming back on our show, and
31:57
Speaker 3: I got up to get my tablets. I'm watching this.
31:59
Speaker 3: I get up to get my I was thinking I
32:00
Speaker 3: was checking the weather, of all things. I got it,
32:03
Speaker 3: and as I came back in the room, they were
32:04
Speaker 3: talking about sheep Fam. They said, oh, have you been
32:06
Speaker 3: on shit? And they said, oh, yeah, I been on
32:08
Speaker 3: sheet Fam. Yeah, Domo Chris blah blah blah. Oh that's nice,
32:10
Speaker 3: you know. And as I sat down, I saw that
32:12
Speaker 3: guy had emailed me. So I'm watching him on the TV.
32:14
Speaker 3: You just mentioned sheep Farm and guys emailed me, and
32:17
Speaker 3: I thought, I must have emailed me last night. And
32:19
Speaker 3: he just emailed me, and it was like twenty past
32:20
Speaker 3: six in the morning, and I thought was he emailing
32:23
Speaker 3: me so early? He said, I'll come on the show
32:24
Speaker 3: and a message been back and I said, oh, that's great, guy. Good. Weirdly,
32:27
Speaker 3: I said, weirdly, I'm watching you and John A were
32:29
Speaker 3: on TV. I couldn't sleep, so I was what he said,
32:32
Speaker 3: I couldn't sleep. I have hence why he'd emailed me
32:34
Speaker 3: so early in the morning.
32:35
Speaker 4: I mean, And then I thought, it's more weird that
32:37
Speaker 4: you were't even thinking about each other and can't sleep.
32:43
Speaker 3: But then you think, is that a synchrinsis is that coincidence?
32:46
Speaker 3: Is it? What is it? But then when you think
32:47
Speaker 3: of all those little elements together that all just happened
32:50
Speaker 3: at that in that same ten minutes, it is a
32:52
Speaker 3: bit weird, isn't it. If you had to put a
32:54
Speaker 3: nod on it. I'm not saying it, yeah it is.
32:57
Speaker 2: I mean, over the course of your lifetime you have
33:00
Speaker 2: these bizarre things. I mean a couple of things. I
33:04
Speaker 2: probably three things I can remember vividly. One was I
33:11
Speaker 2: was walking down a pavement in the city and I
33:15
Speaker 2: saw my mate's dad's car coming towards me. So I
33:18
Speaker 2: read it to kind of look and see if it
33:20
Speaker 2: was my mate's, you know, if it was my mate's
33:22
Speaker 2: sort of dad. And as the car got closer, I realized, oh, no,
33:26
Speaker 2: it's a it was a different brand of car. Wasn't
33:28
Speaker 2: my mate's dad car at all. And then as it
33:31
Speaker 2: passed it was my mate's dad in it, it wasn't
33:34
Speaker 2: his car. And you know, was that me? Was that
33:38
Speaker 2: some you know, maybe I'd got that wrong somehow, some
33:41
Speaker 2: trick of the brain, I don't know, turning.
33:43
Speaker 3: It into the metrics somewhere.
33:45
Speaker 2: Another one another one, I was watching Telly. I remember,
33:51
Speaker 2: I was watching one of these kind of comedy skit shows.
33:54
Speaker 2: There used to be a lot of that sort of
33:55
Speaker 2: thing back in the nineties and there and and I'm
33:59
Speaker 2: watching this show and I thought, wouldn't it be funny
34:03
Speaker 2: if for a sketch you had someone walking up the
34:06
Speaker 2: garden path and he knock on someone's door and they say,
34:09
Speaker 2: good evening, I'm a double glazing. I'm a double glazing salesman.
34:15
Speaker 2: And the person at the house says, oh, brilliant, come
34:18
Speaker 2: on in the and the double glazing salesman says, no, no, no,
34:22
Speaker 2: you don't understand I'm a double glazing salesman. She's like, yeah, yeah,
34:25
Speaker 2: I get it. I need some windows come up. And
34:28
Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, no, I'm a double glazing, meaning you
34:31
Speaker 2: should be slamming the door in my face. And you know,
34:34
Speaker 2: I kind of thought I was musing this overthinking it
34:37
Speaker 2: was funny. And as I'm looking at the TV thinking
34:40
Speaker 2: of this, this guy in the next sketch is walking
34:43
Speaker 2: down the garden path and then he knocks at the
34:46
Speaker 2: door and the door answers and he says, good evening,
34:49
Speaker 2: I'm a double glazing salesman. And I was like, whoa.
34:54
Speaker 2: And I had no one to share it with because
34:56
Speaker 2: I was on my own.
34:58
Speaker 3: And often it's a as well christ and it's not
35:02
Speaker 3: that interesting. So you're trying to explain that to someone
35:04
Speaker 3: who's not on board. I just think what you're talking about,
35:06
Speaker 3: you know, it's a coincidence, happened in your mind. And
35:09
Speaker 3: so if people don't believe, like don't Bloman Missus believes me,
35:13
Speaker 3: I cannot believe it. But if you're of a person
35:16
Speaker 3: who's ever closed mind and you're not willing to think
35:18
Speaker 3: that he is. And also if you notice these things,
35:20
Speaker 3: like you just said, you've got these three things, they
35:22
Speaker 3: change that if you want them to, because I believe
35:23
Speaker 3: it ams to everybody. They do change your thought process
35:26
Speaker 3: and your viewpoint on your existence, don't they Whereas if
35:29
Speaker 3: they hadn't happened to you, or you just ignored them
35:31
Speaker 3: and thought I was just a coincidence and never told anyone,
35:34
Speaker 3: It's just that's it. She's gone. So you're just back
35:35
Speaker 3: back in the matrix. There is your little opportunity to
35:38
Speaker 3: step out of it, and you've just gone straight back
35:40
Speaker 3: into it again.
35:40
Speaker 4: I had a dream a few months ago. Told you
35:43
Speaker 4: I'm not a big dreamer. Chris dreams a lot, but
35:45
Speaker 4: I don't dream that much. But I was dreaming. I
35:48
Speaker 4: was talking to someone they felt powerful, whatever it was,
35:52
Speaker 4: and they were saying, this isn't everything you know, this
35:56
Speaker 4: isn't this. What you're living basically is not real. They're
36:00
Speaker 4: having this conversation when I'm asleep. I never have dreams
36:03
Speaker 4: like that, but it seemed to go on for ages.
36:05
Speaker 4: You know, this isn't real what you're experienced. You know
36:08
Speaker 4: that type of conversation. And I didn't see any face,
36:11
Speaker 4: but it was very, very powerful. Yeah, I was going
36:15
Speaker 4: back to nineteen eighty four, going around about the time
36:17
Speaker 4: Chris were talking there. I dreamt about the Bopal disaster
36:20
Speaker 4: in India, the pesticide explosion killed all the people. I
36:25
Speaker 4: dreamed about that that night when it happened, and I
36:28
Speaker 4: told my friend at school or that there's been something
36:31
Speaker 4: in India, saying we're going on bus to school and saying,
36:33
Speaker 4: what you're talking about talking nonsense. It's in India's its
36:36
Speaker 4: factories blown up. And I got home it were news.
36:39
Speaker 4: I never had anything like that in my life before
36:42
Speaker 4: or or since, but that was the sense chills up
36:45
Speaker 4: me arms.
36:46
Speaker 3: Now.
36:47
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is we connected. I'm not
36:48
Speaker 4: saying we're in anything special. I'm sure people listening have
36:51
Speaker 4: had their own experiences like that. It means we connected
36:54
Speaker 4: to something bigger. That's my view. Whatever that means, I
36:57
Speaker 4: don't know, but it means there's something more powerful, full
37:00
Speaker 4: than these bastards that are trying to ruin us.
37:02
Speaker 2: I'll put dreams in the category of stuff you could
37:05
Speaker 2: do without in your life, you know, lift life sard enough.
37:11
Speaker 2: People listening might wonder what I'm going on about because
37:13
Speaker 2: they have lovely dreams. I don't. My dreams are always problematic.
37:18
Speaker 2: That it's always summon offering me a big bar of chocolate,
37:22
Speaker 2: or there's a big bar of chocolate in the shop,
37:25
Speaker 2: and I'm that close to like getting it, but I can't.
37:28
Speaker 2: I can never quite get that bar of chocolate. And
37:32
Speaker 2: in my you know, in my dream, I'm just I'm
37:34
Speaker 2: like salivating that there's this bar of chocolate there, and
37:38
Speaker 2: when I wake up, I just spend a few moments
37:40
Speaker 2: to go. I saw, right, Chris, you weren't denied the
37:43
Speaker 2: pleasure of a bar of chocolate. It never actually existed
37:45
Speaker 2: in the first place. And or it's some issue. It
37:49
Speaker 2: starts off swimmingly my dream, you know, and I'm with
37:51
Speaker 2: someone in it. I don't know. It's it's all possibly good,
37:54
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe we're going to go and play
37:56
Speaker 2: a game of football or something, and then it's like
37:59
Speaker 2: I just can't quite kicked that ball, or I can't
38:02
Speaker 2: I can kick the ball, but I can't quite get
38:04
Speaker 2: it in the net.
38:05
Speaker 3: This did it? You know?
38:07
Speaker 2: I'm I'm with Freud on this one. I think dreams
38:09
Speaker 2: say an awful lot about.
38:14
Speaker 3: I used to have a recurring dream when I was
38:15
Speaker 3: chased by I have a few actually in fact e
38:17
Speaker 3: a UFO what I'll tak you about. But I used
38:19
Speaker 3: to have a recurring dream I was chased by monsters.
38:20
Speaker 3: I know everyone has that dream and you can't get away.
38:23
Speaker 3: I think Chris I always I always had a gun
38:27
Speaker 3: that didn't work or but it was the same theme.
38:29
Speaker 3: I was being pursued by a monster that I couldn't
38:32
Speaker 3: get away from. But after my UFO thing, I forgot
38:34
Speaker 3: about this because I've not had it for quite a
38:36
Speaker 3: few years now. But I had this recurring dream and
38:37
Speaker 3: it was so regular. I'd see something in the sky
38:41
Speaker 3: and it'd be like, everyone, look, it's yeah, I told you,
38:43
Speaker 3: I told you, and everyone was like yeah, whatever. But
38:45
Speaker 3: it'd be blatant, really detailed as well, like really graphic,
38:49
Speaker 3: and I'd be like look, But in the dream I
38:50
Speaker 3: had it that regular. I started to know it was
38:52
Speaker 3: a dream, so I'd be like, oh shit, it's just
38:54
Speaker 3: a dream again in it. But then I'd be like,
38:57
Speaker 3: this is actually it. Come on everybody, And then it happened
39:00
Speaker 3: again and again. It was like a ground dog did dream. Yeah,
39:03
Speaker 3: like a ground dog there. But every time I'd think, no,
39:06
Speaker 3: this is really it this time, but then it never was.
39:08
Speaker 3: But some of the things that so fantastical, God knows
39:13
Speaker 3: what that meant. But reoccurring flying dream as well. Your
39:16
Speaker 3: stuff to a point, yes, to a point, Chris, yea.
39:20
Speaker 3: To a point where I had it that often I
39:22
Speaker 3: could actually I worked out how to control it, and
39:25
Speaker 3: it was by making a spine do something weird and
39:28
Speaker 3: it made me go open. I could go up and down,
39:29
Speaker 3: probably go back.
39:35
Speaker 2: You talk about synchronicity, though, I mean that that has
39:40
Speaker 2: that has been my that's over. So when I was
39:43
Speaker 2: a youngster, my dream was that the bed could fly,
39:47
Speaker 2: and if I pushed a button, all spears would come
39:50
Speaker 2: out of it. If I pushed another button, all fire
39:53
Speaker 2: would come out of it. Right, you can see where
39:56
Speaker 2: this is going. I'm not odd to psychoanaly some it
40:00
Speaker 2: is all like a protection, some sort of you know,
40:03
Speaker 2: protect the inner child kind of thing. Anyway, that morphed
40:07
Speaker 2: over the years, or at least it was concurrent with
40:11
Speaker 2: the levitation dream, Right, I can just go like that,
40:15
Speaker 2: and if I just do it in the right way,
40:17
Speaker 2: I start taking off and then I'm up, and then
40:20
Speaker 2: I'm then I'm off, and then I'm flying over crowds.
40:25
Speaker 2: Probably some attention seeking thing going there. I would, you know,
40:29
Speaker 2: I would imagine and and and then it all seems
40:34
Speaker 2: to go wrong that I'm back down again and I
40:36
Speaker 2: can't get off the ground and it's really frustrating, is that?
40:41
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the similar kind of thing. Like I said,
40:45
Speaker 3: in these dreams, I mastered it somehow, but I was
40:48
Speaker 3: always aware I fight maybe was a dream, but a
40:50
Speaker 3: very similar kind of thing, yeah, where you're trying to
40:54
Speaker 3: make it work kind of thing.
40:56
Speaker 4: I also think since twenty twenty there was some kind
40:59
Speaker 4: of a download from the stuff that you'd learned up
41:02
Speaker 4: to twenty nineteen was a lot. You know, I gathered
41:05
Speaker 4: lots of information on health and lots of different things.
41:09
Speaker 4: But the amount you learned in that two year period
41:11
Speaker 4: probably it was ten times that amount that you'd picked
41:14
Speaker 4: up in my I mean, I'm fifty six the first
41:16
Speaker 4: fifty odd years, fifty years of your life. You know
41:20
Speaker 4: that you learned so much more in that two year
41:22
Speaker 4: period than you did in the first fifty years, is
41:24
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say. And some people I don't
41:27
Speaker 4: think could handle the download, if that's the right way
41:30
Speaker 4: exploit pressing it, especially people who just realized everything was
41:34
Speaker 4: a sham in twenty twenty. But there was definitely an
41:36
Speaker 4: energetic something happened. Now maybe that's what that we're all about.
41:40
Speaker 4: They were trying to block that energy. I don't know,
41:44
Speaker 4: but something definitely happened. I found as annoyed as a war.
41:47
Speaker 4: I found it very uplifting that period, very energizing, even
41:52
Speaker 4: though it were quite scary at times with what they
41:55
Speaker 4: were doing in what they thought you were going to
41:56
Speaker 4: do to your kids or whatever in school woo and
42:00
Speaker 4: things like that. But I found it quite energizing in
42:04
Speaker 4: a strange way. Going back to what you were saying
42:05
Speaker 4: about podcasting, would we have been podcasting now?
42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of good things come out of it.
42:12
Speaker 3: And in this I was listening to your one of
42:14
Speaker 3: your podcasts, Chris, the one you did with was It
42:17
Speaker 3: Is It was It Ted Sniper yes, yeah, And I
42:23
Speaker 3: thought it was fascinating because she I was thinking that
42:25
Speaker 3: that fellow there, Ted has written a book about being
42:28
Speaker 3: a sniper in Afghanistan fire and he's on your podcast,
42:32
Speaker 3: I mean, our therapeutic for him and other people listening,
42:34
Speaker 3: that he's got that opportunity that if it wasn't for this,
42:37
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be on BBC talking like in a two
42:39
Speaker 3: hour interview about his experiences of being a sniper would
42:42
Speaker 3: have so marrying a spring might interview, but the I
42:48
Speaker 3: don't know that quite a powerful interview really, because I've
42:51
Speaker 3: never heard a sniper discuss being a siper and the trauma.
42:54
Speaker 3: But also he said it very honestly, didn't he how
42:56
Speaker 3: he like I could have done or Dom could have done,
42:59
Speaker 3: where you know, you want to in the military, the
43:00
Speaker 3: excitement and he wanted to shoot a gun and you
43:03
Speaker 3: could tell he was still exciting about the guns, but
43:05
Speaker 3: he was traumatized by what he had done in Afghanistan.
43:07
Speaker 3: But I thought that podcast you did for people who've
43:10
Speaker 3: been through that and for people like me who haven't,
43:12
Speaker 3: I thought it was very very interesting, very powerful stuff.
43:15
Speaker 2: The difficult ones then, because as you probably noticed, I
43:20
Speaker 2: shy away from the military stuff these days, simply because
43:23
Speaker 2: I see how much people glorify it, and that's not
43:26
Speaker 2: my bag.
43:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he wasn't glorifying.
43:29
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to inviten people as to the reality
43:32
Speaker 2: that if you're in the military, you work for the
43:34
Speaker 2: military industrial complex, and they're not. They're not the good guys,
43:38
Speaker 2: you know, and we need to start recognizing this. I'm
43:40
Speaker 2: not slagging off soldiers, sailors or am and not not
43:45
Speaker 2: at all. They don't know what they're signing up for.
43:47
Speaker 2: Although you know, I guess if you do know, you
43:50
Speaker 2: you don't. If you've done the research, you don't sign
43:53
Speaker 2: up in the first place. But with that podcast, it's
43:57
Speaker 2: there's a couple of things going on there. First, I
44:00
Speaker 2: get the guests on my show either that can have
44:03
Speaker 2: a good bit of banter where we can have a
44:05
Speaker 2: bit of a laugh and you know, touch a few
44:07
Speaker 2: of the same basis or people that I want to
44:09
Speaker 2: live vicariously through. And no way do I want to
44:12
Speaker 2: go shooting people in Afghanistan, but I want to know
44:15
Speaker 2: what it's like to go through that course. The issue
44:21
Speaker 2: comes with the questions I really want to ask. I
44:26
Speaker 2: don't think my guest at times, is quite ready there
44:28
Speaker 2: to answer them to be fair, to.
44:30
Speaker 3: Be fair, because she did ask him that right that
44:32
Speaker 3: we're going to if he knows anything you don't want
44:34
Speaker 3: me to ask kind.
44:35
Speaker 2: Of yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not there to you know,
44:39
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to be a bit sensitive. I'm not
44:41
Speaker 2: there to scandalize stuff, and I'm not there to big
44:44
Speaker 2: up you know.
44:46
Speaker 3: No.
44:46
Speaker 2: But it's kind of a funny thing because in the
44:49
Speaker 2: military they do still talk in terms of how many
44:52
Speaker 2: kills they got where.
44:54
Speaker 3: He explained it quite well though, because this is why
44:58
Speaker 3: they get kids, isn't it why they get you? And
44:59
Speaker 3: you're eighteen, you don't know any different. You know, you
45:01
Speaker 3: all do stupid stuff up to your mid twenties or whatever.
45:03
Speaker 3: But when they get you that at that point, you
45:05
Speaker 3: don't realize the repercussions it could have on you when
45:08
Speaker 3: you're thirty or in your late twenties, for instance. But
45:12
Speaker 3: they get they get them in young, don't they. You
45:13
Speaker 3: could see he was explaining he was excited and it
45:16
Speaker 3: was all exciting, and then even said after his first thing,
45:20
Speaker 3: you know, everyone were really like upping him and saying
45:23
Speaker 3: how great you were, So you've got the you've got
45:25
Speaker 3: the duel of the guilt and the fact that everyone's
45:27
Speaker 3: saying how fantastic you are. I mean, one of a
45:29
Speaker 3: weird thing. I mean, I can't when I was listening,
45:32
Speaker 3: I just cannot imagine.
45:33
Speaker 4: But Chris just way he explain that, and we're both
45:35
Speaker 4: you've been explaining that. I mean, that recruitment, if you like,
45:39
Speaker 4: of a young person is that. I know, it's a
45:42
Speaker 4: different type of thing because you can end somebody's life
45:43
Speaker 4: at the end of it, but it's not a right
45:45
Speaker 4: A lot different from X factor, is it? Beside from
45:48
Speaker 4: cable in essence other than they're going to whack somebody.
45:52
Speaker 4: But there's the same Manchurian candidate at the end of it,
45:55
Speaker 4: delivering some sort of cultural change somewhere.
45:57
Speaker 3: Down the line, aren't they.
45:58
Speaker 4: There's the hit my not have bullets, but obviously his Hiit.
46:03
Speaker 3: What rang to me though, was I mean, I've only
46:05
Speaker 3: got ever into a handful of fights in my life,
46:07
Speaker 3: and even if I've won or lost, I've always felt
46:09
Speaker 3: guilty about it. And then you think that magnitude of
46:12
Speaker 3: the you know what I mean, I mean, I can't
46:15
Speaker 3: imagine the burden on the human.
46:16
Speaker 4: You see some of the guys that have done they
46:18
Speaker 4: call them door kicking, you know more than me, Chris,
46:20
Speaker 4: door kicking. You know, we did thirty door kickings. That
46:23
Speaker 4: basically means they've done they've kicked a door out and
46:26
Speaker 4: thrown some grenades in or whatever and machine gunned everybody
46:28
Speaker 4: in there. To bits right, it's not just a door kicking.
46:31
Speaker 4: Look like, when you get angry, come on pistol and
46:32
Speaker 4: night kicked door in. You know, imagine living with that, especially,
46:38
Speaker 4: I tell you what, I couldn't imagine living with that
46:40
Speaker 4: and actually waking up and realizing that who you were
46:44
Speaker 4: actually working for and you were actually working for the
46:47
Speaker 4: Central Banks. Yeah, and that must be pretty horrendous.
46:52
Speaker 2: It's such a difficult topic to cover because on the
46:55
Speaker 2: one hand, people need to know this stuff, you know,
46:59
Speaker 2: but on the other hand, and we don't want to
47:01
Speaker 2: be traumatizing veterans that have been through that trying to heal.
47:06
Speaker 4: And so their intentions were all right, the Chris, they
47:09
Speaker 4: joined up because they thought they were fighting for the country.
47:12
Speaker 4: They believe, you know, believing the king, queen king and
47:17
Speaker 4: if he's a king, actually the country and everybody and
47:21
Speaker 4: all this time and then the dawn.
47:24
Speaker 3: Brought were brought up they're good Where the good guys are?
47:26
Speaker 3: Where where you are the good guys? And then you
47:29
Speaker 3: rapidly realize it's not the case.
47:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and you're fighting on at lest the wrong team.
47:36
Speaker 4: I'm not saying the other teams are the good guys either,
47:38
Speaker 4: because there is any good guess. I don't think the
47:40
Speaker 4: people ruling all these countries, I don't think the Taliban
47:43
Speaker 4: are good guys. In fact, I'm sure they're not. You know,
47:47
Speaker 4: growing heroin and shipping it out Afghanistan is the way
47:53
Speaker 4: you can you can have the way.
47:54
Speaker 3: We get the news feed is that you know, you
47:56
Speaker 3: don't even consider these countries sovereign countries with husbands and
48:00
Speaker 3: wives and children the business deal. Yeah, and that's the
48:03
Speaker 3: way with this PROGRAMM does, isn't it. You're not talking
48:06
Speaker 3: about human beings with families.
48:08
Speaker 2: The whole drug thing is a lot of what this
48:10
Speaker 2: is based on. That opium has been the currency of
48:13
Speaker 2: the cabal for you know, so many years. The Sassoon family.
48:18
Speaker 2: Just I'd encourage anyone to read the East.
48:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're having to chat with the Metaman last night
48:24
Speaker 4: about the East India Company. A lot of these major
48:27
Speaker 4: players went to the Haileybury College, which was the East
48:31
Speaker 4: India Company military school. And we're talking about the LSD
48:37
Speaker 4: coming into the UK before pre sixties and one of
48:40
Speaker 4: the guys or two of the guys that were pushing
48:42
Speaker 4: it Panorama Experiment. I don't know if you've seen that
48:44
Speaker 4: Chris on YouTube. It's going to be on a podcast
48:48
Speaker 4: we're released in a few weeks actually, and they were
48:51
Speaker 4: they were basically my six agents. This guy is called
48:54
Speaker 4: Christopher Mayhew or Baron Mayhew as he was, and he
48:59
Speaker 4: basically we're pushing LSD in the fifties and they were
49:02
Speaker 4: in charge of basically putting it out there into the
49:04
Speaker 4: sixties in the UK. But they went to haileybri Scott
49:06
Speaker 4: School that was the East India Company. Go back to
49:09
Speaker 4: three hundred years. They were the ones selling opium into China.
49:14
Speaker 4: This is how the train. It's ingrained in their psycha
49:18
Speaker 4: to do this type of thing to their own people.
49:21
Speaker 2: Absolutely evil. I mean, I mean, if anyone's in any doubt,
49:25
Speaker 2: look at the events in New York and Washington twenty
49:27
Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, you bring, you bring structures down
49:31
Speaker 2: on thousands of people's heads. You ain't normal, you know,
49:35
Speaker 2: don't be supporting these individuals. Off the back of that,
49:39
Speaker 2: you wage war and massacre another million people. These are not.
49:44
Speaker 4: But Tony Blair is the ambassador of peace over there, Chris,
49:47
Speaker 4: He's going to sort it all out.
49:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he gets time off from all those toilets
49:54
Speaker 2: he has to clean. He was the janitory, right, Yeah,
49:59
Speaker 2: well that's his excuse anyway. No, you mentioned something very
50:04
Speaker 2: valid then about the X factor, do you ever I've
50:07
Speaker 2: got this phenomenon now that when I watch and I
50:10
Speaker 2: used to love film, it was my thing.
50:13
Speaker 3: I used to work in a video shop.
50:14
Speaker 2: When I was fourteen and it became a you know,
50:16
Speaker 2: I'll take five.
50:17
Speaker 3: Became jobbing at forty five films owned.
50:21
Speaker 2: For the weekend.
50:22
Speaker 4: One top shelf, yeah, four from the top.
50:25
Speaker 2: Shelf, please, one from the bottom row.
50:29
Speaker 3: No shaving Rayne's privates. Yeah.
50:32
Speaker 2: But now when I look at it, and I look
50:35
Speaker 2: at the brad pits of the world and you know,
50:37
Speaker 2: the child and head and I'm not seeing I'm not
50:42
Speaker 2: seeing a skilled artist who's perfected their trade and they're
50:47
Speaker 2: there for the emotion and the love of humanity and
50:51
Speaker 2: the beauty of the film. No, I'm just seeing an
50:56
Speaker 2: absolute puppet that is lived their whole life, not really
51:00
Speaker 2: in the cabal gives them their narrative.
51:02
Speaker 4: You could add another thing to that. I've seen a
51:04
Speaker 4: trot someone who has been absolutely traumatized as well terrified.
51:09
Speaker 4: A lot of them people look terrified.
51:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I'm just thinking that isn't it weird?
51:15
Speaker 2: We used to idolize these people and think that they
51:18
Speaker 2: were so and now you realize, oh my god, they're
51:21
Speaker 2: all being played. When Robin Williams took himself out the game,
51:27
Speaker 2: I know that someone said he had some kind of
51:29
Speaker 2: you know, early on set dementia or some such thing.
51:33
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a as a result of
51:36
Speaker 2: probably all the coke they took back then, But I
51:39
Speaker 2: did also wonder could he have been smart enough to
51:42
Speaker 2: work it all out and realize, oh my god, I
51:44
Speaker 2: thought I was this incredible actor of my whole life
51:47
Speaker 2: and he was. Don't get me wrong, these guys are
51:50
Speaker 2: more talented than I am ever ever going to be that.
51:53
Speaker 2: That's that they are. If you've got them singing and dancing,
51:56
Speaker 2: they'd be awesome at that as well. They're these these
52:00
Speaker 2: individuals are incredible, incredibly switched on. But did he get
52:04
Speaker 2: to a point where he thought, oh my god, that
52:06
Speaker 2: film I made that was to push that narrative, and
52:08
Speaker 2: that film there that was to push you know, this
52:11
Speaker 2: narrative and that one because a lot of Robin Williams
52:15
Speaker 2: film they they had the octocode in you have you
52:19
Speaker 2: heard of the octo code? Is that a yes?
52:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm not an expert in that one.
52:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. I came across this website one day.
52:34
Speaker 2: I won't talk about that now because it's not appropriate,
52:36
Speaker 2: but that was a joke.
52:37
Speaker 4: By the way, were the top shelfs.
52:43
Speaker 2: We think we're funny, you know, have jokes. No, I
52:47
Speaker 2: came across this code. It were called the octa code,
52:50
Speaker 2: and it's been It was on a website that now
52:53
Speaker 2: has been taken down, and it explained the code that
52:57
Speaker 2: runs through films with reference to not doing very nice
53:02
Speaker 2: things to small people, if you if you get me
53:05
Speaker 2: drifted right, and what it is is they use the
53:09
Speaker 2: number eight or pattern pattern recognition of the number eight
53:13
Speaker 2: or or this kind of thing in the films, along
53:17
Speaker 2: with a set of color codes and also some symbolism.
53:22
Speaker 2: And so some of the symbolism in there was the
53:25
Speaker 2: buck as in the male deer for example, and I'm
53:30
Speaker 2: not saying this is a definite thing, but to give
53:33
Speaker 2: people the kind of idea of how it worked is
53:36
Speaker 2: say the film is Uncle Buck. It's like the Uncle
53:40
Speaker 2: waynt you know? And and the eight was any combination
53:48
Speaker 2: of eight, so you'd get like a very new, bile
53:54
Speaker 2: looking young man. Is that the right word, you know,
53:57
Speaker 2: pretty pretty youngster, let's say. And in either side of
54:01
Speaker 2: them in the studio, the way they set up the
54:05
Speaker 2: props or the scenery or the backdrop, there'd be something
54:09
Speaker 2: with a three here, like say wallpaper, and there'd be
54:13
Speaker 2: something with a five on the other side. Now to
54:18
Speaker 2: you and me, we're just looking at wallpaper. To those
54:21
Speaker 2: that are in this, you know, filthy evil cabal, that's
54:27
Speaker 2: that's the code there, that's you. That's your eight.
54:30
Speaker 3: Right.
54:31
Speaker 2: The colors were things like in the Simpson where they
54:34
Speaker 2: used the like it was like the yellow, the blue,
54:38
Speaker 2: and the red. I think it is like Bart Simpson,
54:40
Speaker 2: is it like blue shorts thing red? You know, No surprise.
54:48
Speaker 2: A lot of it was Steven Spielberg's stuff. I think
54:51
Speaker 2: that's what.
54:54
Speaker 3: Was the word. What was the word again, Chris Octawa.
54:57
Speaker 2: It was called the octocode.
55:00
Speaker 4: Chris but a lot of my work is genealogy, and
55:05
Speaker 4: I do quite a lot of genial but it's not
55:07
Speaker 4: just genealogy. But what I find interesting is I did
55:09
Speaker 4: it really presentation me and Chris called Assassin's Creed, and
55:15
Speaker 4: that was about all these famous stars who were interrelated
55:18
Speaker 4: to like serial killers, assassin assassins or you know that
55:23
Speaker 4: type of so say it like Taylor Swift, she's a cousin.
55:27
Speaker 4: She's got a direct cousin of Jeffrey Dharmer. A lot
55:30
Speaker 4: of these people are directly related to assassins. I know
55:34
Speaker 4: it's a slightly off tacked to your opt to code,
55:37
Speaker 4: but a lot of these people are then put in
55:39
Speaker 4: these acting roles, like Brad Pitt or Matt Damon for instance,
55:43
Speaker 4: he's got an interesting background. I think he's related to
55:46
Speaker 4: a guy that shot Reagan if I'm not wrong, Mark
55:50
Speaker 4: whatever he were called. And so a lot of these
55:53
Speaker 4: people are really interrelated to assassins. Like Stuart Copeland's dad
55:57
Speaker 4: of the of the Police. He was head of station
56:00
Speaker 4: the CIA, Miles Copland Junior, and he took out like
56:05
Speaker 4: he took on coops and assassinations and taking over countries
56:10
Speaker 4: for the CIA.
56:11
Speaker 2: But this is all the stuff that Mark Devlin points out,
56:14
Speaker 2: isn't it.
56:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, Mark does a lot of live shows with
56:16
Speaker 4: us that Yeah. And so we're just in a presentation
56:21
Speaker 4: on the doors Jim Morrison just one that one and
56:26
Speaker 4: Val Kilmer who played him, he's actually got the same
56:29
Speaker 4: bloodline as Jim Morrison. So going back to these ancient,
56:33
Speaker 4: ancient Scottish rights, but one of them. The reason it
56:36
Speaker 4: just flipped my mind then is because she mentioned the
56:38
Speaker 4: stag and one of the blood lines is the Crawford
56:41
Speaker 4: family in Scotland, who Jim Morrison goes back to the
56:44
Speaker 4: clan Crawford, and I think the emblem is a stag,
56:48
Speaker 4: a book or whatever you want to call it.
56:50
Speaker 3: The thing is with that, like that OS code thing, Chris.
56:53
Speaker 3: I mean we all spot this symbology in films, but
56:55
Speaker 3: when he gets down to nitty great, it's like it's
56:57
Speaker 3: a number eight or wherever you're stitching it still and
57:00
Speaker 3: swing in it, you're not going to see, well you
57:03
Speaker 3: and also you try and explain, I mean you'd explain
57:05
Speaker 3: it to us and where we're on board with you
57:07
Speaker 3: try and explain or anything to do with numerology as well,
57:09
Speaker 3: which we see all this stuff. But you try and
57:11
Speaker 3: explain that so you just sound like an absolute lunatic.
57:14
Speaker 3: But Chris, we we found well you did, remember you
57:18
Speaker 3: found them two Crowleyes, the two Crowlees. That one of
57:21
Speaker 3: them is a set designer for Christopher Nolan. Oh yeah,
57:25
Speaker 3: and his uncle was Alison Crowler. And yeah, you think
57:29
Speaker 3: of the things in I mean you're sure you remember
57:31
Speaker 3: because that in the Batman film where it had the
57:33
Speaker 3: I won't say it, but blind blind Yeah, yeah, that
57:37
Speaker 3: in the in the on the map, little details like that,
57:40
Speaker 3: And you know when you get thinking, is it is
57:42
Speaker 3: it the production designer that has that cloud? Not the director? Even?
57:45
Speaker 1: Is it?
57:45
Speaker 3: Is it the move got that?
57:47
Speaker 4: Boris Johnson's advisor was was called Crowley as well.
57:51
Speaker 3: He was he was a Crowler.
57:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a Crowdler because your your wife met
57:54
Speaker 4: him nasty by a very weird coincidence.
57:57
Speaker 3: My missus works for what she works in office kind
58:00
Speaker 3: of thing, but environment and she went on a meeting
58:03
Speaker 3: and on they had guest speakers basically, and this guy
58:06
Speaker 3: was up there doing a guest speaker who came on
58:08
Speaker 3: next and introduced him as I forget what his first
58:10
Speaker 3: name was, but he was called something Crowder and by
58:12
Speaker 3: a weird coincidence, on the screen was the Sage Pepper's
58:16
Speaker 3: album cover with crowded on it, and he went on,
58:18
Speaker 3: I'm related to him and pointed at it, and obviously
58:21
Speaker 3: Missus knowing me, went what And so when he finished,
58:23
Speaker 3: she ran after him and said, what do you mean
58:25
Speaker 3: you're related to him? And he went said he got
58:27
Speaker 3: a bit shifted, and he went yeah, yeah, I and
58:28
Speaker 3: like she conned him in an elevator and then he vanished.
58:31
Speaker 3: But then we looked into him and he and he
58:33
Speaker 3: was found he was related to him, but he was
58:36
Speaker 3: instruggling getting Boris Johnson his may ship and numerous other
58:41
Speaker 3: dodgy stuff.
58:42
Speaker 4: And PM and David Cameron and ya think he worked
58:46
Speaker 4: for threesa may as well. Also he worked for I
58:49
Speaker 4: think British Airways.
58:50
Speaker 3: Basically a PR company in a Ministry of sound.
58:54
Speaker 2: So David Cameron's grandfather was head of the c i
58:59
Speaker 2: A his MK Ultra program in I don't know if
59:03
Speaker 2: he was the head of all of it, but he
59:05
Speaker 2: certainly was ahead of one of the departments.
59:08
Speaker 4: Yeah is its father was as well, wasn't it Roder Stewart.
59:11
Speaker 4: He was deputy chief of m I six or something
59:14
Speaker 4: like that, Rory Stewart MP. But these people just put
59:18
Speaker 4: in power because they're really talented.
59:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, it's also fascinating. It's also I mean, going
59:29
Speaker 2: back to your point, Chris about that this probably sounds
59:33
Speaker 2: insane to Pete. I mean, yeah, of course if if
59:37
Speaker 2: you're still in the matrix, your all your points of
59:41
Speaker 2: reference and nowhere near where us guys are. I think
59:44
Speaker 2: there's astute enough people out there to think, hang on
59:46
Speaker 2: a sec.
59:47
Speaker 4: You know, I said some of the other day she
59:50
Speaker 4: was saying that, oh, well, you know, I still agree
59:53
Speaker 4: with the an spears and stuff like that. Really, after
59:56
Speaker 4: this time, I said, so, let me ask you a question.
59:58
Speaker 4: Would you trust your kids? Do you leave your kids
1:00:01
Speaker 4: with Keirsteamer? Definitely not. If you leave your kids with
1:00:04
Speaker 4: Boris Johnson, definitely not. Know Chris Whitty, I went through
1:00:07
Speaker 4: all it, But you're believing them on that one thing.
1:00:10
Speaker 4: I don't understand how you get to that decision.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: I just look at the people that own own the
1:00:17
Speaker 2: companies exactly. I don't trust them, sorry, but they're you know,
1:00:23
Speaker 2: they're they're all in a certain network. Yes, who don't
1:00:28
Speaker 2: even consider us human.
1:00:31
Speaker 3: On a very simple level. So Astra Zeneca, the you
1:00:35
Speaker 3: know cancer research company if you like, which is near
1:00:38
Speaker 3: where I live actually and is expanding. So there's research
1:00:43
Speaker 3: and get finance for cancer research, but they've never cured anything. Weirdler.
1:00:47
Speaker 3: Then the mystical disease comes out and they come up
1:00:50
Speaker 3: with an amspear. Everyone gets it, and now Weirdler, there's
1:00:53
Speaker 3: a massive rise in the big Sea. Now call me
1:00:56
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist, but you don't have to put that
1:01:01
Speaker 3: many twos and twos together there with Master.
1:01:05
Speaker 4: Richis Soon that worked for an investment company called the
1:01:09
Speaker 4: Children's Investment Fund. That should sound a bit odd whether
1:01:12
Speaker 4: they look after Africans by making sure their healths all
1:01:14
Speaker 4: right by using what they call venture philanthropy venture capital
1:01:19
Speaker 4: philanthropy where they use investments to pay for through this foundation,
1:01:24
Speaker 4: the Children's Investment Fund, to pay for health of Africans
1:01:28
Speaker 4: and people in need. But anyway, he left there. It's
1:01:31
Speaker 4: a guy called Sir Chris Horn that owns that is
1:01:33
Speaker 4: worth about seven or eight billion dollars. He left there
1:01:37
Speaker 4: to join a other investment company from with some people
1:01:40
Speaker 4: from there called Filima. That should alarm bells straight away, right,
1:01:45
Speaker 4: Felima Partners and they were the first investors in moderna. Yes,
1:01:53
Speaker 4: he became Prime Minister and injected five hundred billion. Well,
1:01:56
Speaker 4: if you believe all that nonsense into the economy that
1:01:59
Speaker 4: we now were, ruby is ever going to pay back
1:02:01
Speaker 4: that we're going to get strapped up for centuries, absolute centuries.
1:02:06
Speaker 4: And these people wonder why the prices are going up,
1:02:09
Speaker 4: and I said to him, it's because they put five
1:02:11
Speaker 4: hundred billion into the economy. You know, it were a
1:02:13
Speaker 4: calculation on a keyboard. But that's why your prices are
1:02:16
Speaker 4: going up, and that's why cost of living is going up.
1:02:18
Speaker 4: Well they had to do that though, because you know,
1:02:21
Speaker 4: because of the nonsense.
1:02:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say even if even if the nonsense
1:02:26
Speaker 3: was real, right, the best way to react to it
1:02:28
Speaker 3: was just let it get on with it and will
1:02:30
Speaker 3: see what happens at the end.
1:02:31
Speaker 4: Even if that's why you know, it wasn't real, isn't it.
1:02:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's why you would do. That's what you
1:02:35
Speaker 3: were doing.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably a bit hardhearted there. But when they said,
1:02:39
Speaker 2: you know, it might kill granny, I was you know
1:02:42
Speaker 2: people exactly. Yeah, it is a process of natural selection.
1:02:48
Speaker 2: It's probably going to kill people who aren't really you know,
1:02:51
Speaker 2: the ones that are least paid attention to their health
1:02:54
Speaker 2: over the years are going to be the first to suffer,
1:02:56
Speaker 2: because that's how nature works. Not saying they deserve it,
1:03:00
Speaker 2: of course, of course we're not just how it works
1:03:03
Speaker 2: in it, you know, it's And if that was put
1:03:06
Speaker 2: on me, if say one of my parents was to die,
1:03:09
Speaker 2: but my kid can go out and play football with
1:03:12
Speaker 2: his mates and go to school and get an education
1:03:14
Speaker 2: and not be at home witnessing his you know, his
1:03:18
Speaker 2: mum drinking wine out of a coffee mug during a
1:03:21
Speaker 2: Zoom meetings and dad battering the shit out of her
1:03:27
Speaker 2: because they never really got on in the first place.
1:03:30
Speaker 2: Now they're locked in the house for a year and
1:03:33
Speaker 2: a half.
1:03:34
Speaker 3: But also what was worse someone's parents being at home
1:03:38
Speaker 3: with him and getting ill, or being locked behind a
1:03:40
Speaker 3: glass wall that they can't even touch him anywhere. That's
1:03:42
Speaker 3: what I mean, grabbing all that. If it had killed
1:03:44
Speaker 3: twenty five percent of the nation, it'd have been less
1:03:46
Speaker 3: traumatic than what they did. Christopher.
1:03:48
Speaker 4: Up here in twenty twenty and where I live, I
1:03:51
Speaker 4: went the sticks at the top of the Pennines and
1:03:52
Speaker 4: there's a bridge called Scammelon. It's called Scammeldon Dam and
1:03:56
Speaker 4: the Scammonlon Bridge, and it's a massive single span bridge.
1:03:59
Speaker 4: At the time it was over the M sixty two
1:04:01
Speaker 4: and lots of people decide when they're a really low
1:04:05
Speaker 4: ebb to end themselves by jumping off. In twenty twenty,
1:04:09
Speaker 4: we went over the bridge with Chris and they were
1:04:11
Speaker 4: building this. He couldn't actually go over.
1:04:12
Speaker 3: But what month was it, Damn? Do you remember?
1:04:14
Speaker 4: It was July had just passed away and that's when
1:04:18
Speaker 4: you were up. Yeah, so July twenty twenty. Ironically, they
1:04:22
Speaker 4: didn't right the mysterious illness on his death certificate.
1:04:26
Speaker 3: But anyway, they were building a new fence.
1:04:29
Speaker 4: It was like twenty foot this fence right across this
1:04:32
Speaker 4: bridge on both sides because they were expecting a big influx.
1:04:37
Speaker 4: And that's what the guy said. He said, while they
1:04:38
Speaker 4: were working on it, people have stopped the car on
1:04:41
Speaker 4: the hard shoulder and climbed up the banking, which is
1:04:43
Speaker 4: quite high. It's just a normal little banking, he said.
1:04:46
Speaker 4: A woman in particular, a woman stopped a lawyer and
1:04:49
Speaker 4: stopped a car and she wanted to jump off, and
1:04:51
Speaker 4: obviously they were there and she.
1:04:52
Speaker 3: Couldn't jump off. But that bridge has been there, what's
1:04:55
Speaker 3: ince seventies, sixes, late seventies, and all of a sudden
1:04:59
Speaker 3: in twenty when they decided to make a fence and
1:05:01
Speaker 3: hoe can jump off an even bastards.
1:05:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's again the predictive knowledge ten years in advance,
1:05:08
Speaker 4: like the LSD ten years previous, you know.
1:05:11
Speaker 3: Insert it into human culture.
1:05:13
Speaker 4: What they don't tell you is the damage that something
1:05:17
Speaker 4: like that has caused the next generation. So your parents
1:05:20
Speaker 4: taking LSD nobody knew, or somebody did, but we the
1:05:24
Speaker 4: people taking didn't know what that was going to do
1:05:27
Speaker 4: to their children or their grandchildren going forward.
1:05:31
Speaker 3: You know, look at the trauma on these kids. You know,
1:05:33
Speaker 3: if you if you were in twenty twenty, if you
1:05:35
Speaker 3: were fifteen, that.
1:05:37
Speaker 4: My daughter should have been fifteen that particular point, yeah,
1:05:41
Speaker 4: or quite edge. Yeah, even though I didn't give a shit,
1:05:44
Speaker 4: made her edgit. Yeah, of course it was, because that's
1:05:46
Speaker 4: the pinnacle time of your socializing.
1:05:47
Speaker 3: In it and you know, we're you know, working out
1:05:49
Speaker 3: who you socialized with, hanging around with your friends and stuff.
1:05:52
Speaker 3: I mean even ten to fifteen or fifteen to whatever,
1:05:55
Speaker 3: you imagine the trauma that did tear I mean, my
1:05:57
Speaker 3: nipper was not. She was just she scored so she
1:06:01
Speaker 3: didn't see any of it. But at that point, if
1:06:03
Speaker 3: she was at school, I'd have had to take her
1:06:04
Speaker 3: out at school.
1:06:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, young people now, I mentioned this the other day
1:06:09
Speaker 2: in a live stream, that you can't help but feel
1:06:12
Speaker 2: sorry for a lot of them. They they just don't
1:06:14
Speaker 2: seem to have any form of any kind of like where.
1:06:19
Speaker 4: With all skills, you know, and go or anything.
1:06:22
Speaker 2: They look they look a bit little beaten, they look
1:06:25
Speaker 2: a bit doper. And it's quite normal now where when
1:06:28
Speaker 2: a parent comes up with the with their youngster who's
1:06:32
Speaker 2: you know, a teenager, the parent just like leaves them
1:06:34
Speaker 2: there like like they're a fucking imbe seal, rather than say, hey,
1:06:39
Speaker 2: this is my son, this is John John sail out,
1:06:42
Speaker 2: nice fire man shape, please get that, you know, look
1:06:45
Speaker 2: the person in the eye. It's it's almost like, oh,
1:06:49
Speaker 2: they don't, they don't do that, So I just kind
1:06:51
Speaker 2: of leave them there looking down at the floor.
1:06:53
Speaker 3: At I never noticed that. I never noticed. I never
1:06:57
Speaker 3: thought about that.
1:06:58
Speaker 2: Well, I noticed I go run in I used to
1:07:01
Speaker 2: run every single morning. I've a kind of interspersed it
1:07:04
Speaker 2: with other stuff now. But when I run in the mornings,
1:07:08
Speaker 2: it's I've been trying not to swear on the podcast recently.
1:07:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do, but it never works.
1:07:17
Speaker 2: It's it's it's gutting. There we go. I didn't say
1:07:21
Speaker 2: the f work. It's gutting when you're there, right. I'll
1:07:25
Speaker 2: give you a scenario. It's six o'clock in the morning,
1:07:29
Speaker 2: there's nobody else out other than the odd car as
1:07:31
Speaker 2: they're starting to go to work. You're running along the
1:07:35
Speaker 2: pavement and there's someone coming the other way. You're two
1:07:39
Speaker 2: human beings sharing this beautiful moment in time with each other.
1:07:46
Speaker 2: Your your location wise, because there's a big, big road there,
1:07:50
Speaker 2: You're you're you're physically going to pass by by by
1:07:54
Speaker 2: centimeters on your journeys. If you want to take it
1:07:58
Speaker 2: to a spiritual perspective, you you are actually each other
1:08:01
Speaker 2: because you're the divine manifesting these bodies. So they're me
1:08:06
Speaker 2: and I'm them. And it's an energy thing, so I
1:08:10
Speaker 2: should be looking to raise their energy. And how do
1:08:14
Speaker 2: you do that? You say, morning, It's so easy to do.
1:08:18
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, I'd say, out of every
1:08:22
Speaker 2: one hundred people, ninety between ninety five are just going
1:08:29
Speaker 2: to literally walk straight past you. And it's embarrassed. It's
1:08:33
Speaker 2: it's cringe worthy. It's like, what's going on here?
1:08:39
Speaker 3: Do you know?
1:08:39
Speaker 4: We were brought up at a butcher shop, as I
1:08:41
Speaker 4: said at the beginning, on Jewsberry Market in the Orchard,
1:08:45
Speaker 4: And that's what that's what is background market trader, the
1:08:48
Speaker 4: banter between the veged guys, the fish guys, that whatever,
1:08:51
Speaker 4: people who had stalls.
1:08:53
Speaker 3: We're right buzz about the place.
1:08:55
Speaker 4: But you go into a supermarket now, which is the
1:08:57
Speaker 4: equivalent of that, and it's just that's it. There's no
1:09:01
Speaker 4: talking to something generous machine, you know.
1:09:04
Speaker 3: Just just reminded me. Actually, I've just kept this in
1:09:06
Speaker 3: my head. I never mentioned it to a number. I
1:09:07
Speaker 3: go to a gym. I only go once or twice
1:09:08
Speaker 3: a week, and I'm a lot very gym person. But
1:09:11
Speaker 3: you go in there and it's just around the corner
1:09:13
Speaker 3: from my house, and you're going with a card and dud,
1:09:16
Speaker 3: you know. And then you go in and there's young
1:09:18
Speaker 3: guys there, you know, and they don't even make eye
1:09:21
Speaker 3: contact with me. And then behind the reception and I
1:09:25
Speaker 3: go in and you know, obviously they don't like crystal
1:09:27
Speaker 3: first what to say, They don't know how to deal
1:09:29
Speaker 3: fair enough. But the first, like like said, the first
1:09:32
Speaker 3: ten times, you just even just to nod. You don't
1:09:34
Speaker 3: even need to say he lo, just an acknowledgment of
1:09:36
Speaker 3: you know, all right, yeah, because Norvins as well went
1:09:39
Speaker 3: on for hour. But they don't even. They just watch
1:09:44
Speaker 3: me walk past and don't even look up, and they
1:09:46
Speaker 3: hear the I don't know. There's one girl there who
1:09:48
Speaker 3: always says all love, but this group a lot. And
1:09:50
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming and whatever, it's just it's just something
1:09:52
Speaker 3: that's happened, you know, I'm guessing there in the twenties,
1:09:54
Speaker 3: and they just don't even.
1:09:55
Speaker 4: Because they used to tapping the phone or He's.
1:09:58
Speaker 3: Quite unnerving though any and like Chris said, it's quite
1:10:01
Speaker 3: embarrassing because you know, are we are we the dying
1:10:04
Speaker 3: breed of people who say hello to each other? Is
1:10:07
Speaker 3: that just going to vanish? And well, we've taken it
1:10:10
Speaker 3: to the next level and done things like this. You know,
1:10:12
Speaker 3: if you watch the modern videos, the TikTok that last
1:10:15
Speaker 3: about ten seconds, because that's the goldfish memory that everyone's
1:10:18
Speaker 3: going to have. I was listening to some music at
1:10:20
Speaker 3: work yesterday, working in a kitchen Chris and this young
1:10:23
Speaker 3: lad got talking. He said, oh, my mum listens to
1:10:26
Speaker 3: this kind of music, like old soul music. Whatever I said,
1:10:28
Speaker 3: and we got talking about music, goes oh, and she
1:10:30
Speaker 3: plays songs at like seven minutes long. I said, how long?
1:10:33
Speaker 3: How long should a song be? He goes off maximum
1:10:35
Speaker 3: two minutes? Like what is that? I said? Is that
1:10:38
Speaker 3: the attention spad? Yeah? Probably have you?
1:10:41
Speaker 2: Have you heard of six seven?
1:10:43
Speaker 3: No?
1:10:43
Speaker 1: Oh?
1:10:43
Speaker 3: You?
1:10:44
Speaker 2: Oh, I am going to swear now you oh bastards?
1:10:47
Speaker 3: Six seven? Yeah? So one of those random sorry I
1:10:51
Speaker 3: have here from my daughter. Yes.
1:10:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was just randomly scrolled, not randomly scrowing.
1:10:57
Speaker 2: I kind of.
1:11:00
Speaker 3: Doom scrolling. Doom scroll.
1:11:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doom scrolling, but I'm doom scrolling because I
1:11:05
Speaker 2: try and do a live stream every day and I need,
1:11:07
Speaker 2: I need a topic that's topical to engage people. So really,
1:11:12
Speaker 2: then I can start talking about spiritual battle, which is
1:11:15
Speaker 2: way more important than all of this distraction shit.
1:11:18
Speaker 3: Right.
1:11:19
Speaker 2: And one of the things was there was a headline
1:11:22
Speaker 2: it said are you alarmed at this this trend of
1:11:26
Speaker 2: your children saying six seven? Right? And I thought it
1:11:32
Speaker 2: and then it said you need not be so immediately
1:11:36
Speaker 2: I thought it was one of those kind of you
1:11:38
Speaker 2: know maybe a sexual thing that people are doing on
1:11:41
Speaker 2: their on their phones to each other a bit a
1:11:44
Speaker 2: bit inappropriate, but maybe you know, like the kids use
1:11:47
Speaker 2: certain codes, don't they for stuff that I'm way too
1:11:50
Speaker 2: old to even know. But no, it turns out that
1:11:53
Speaker 2: I so I put it into YouTube. I just you know,
1:11:57
Speaker 2: show me the six to seven video. It's really it
1:12:01
Speaker 2: really gets you. It's it's a basketball match and the
1:12:06
Speaker 2: guy dunk, you know, sinks the basket and it's the
1:12:10
Speaker 2: cameraman who's filming on his punk turns to the crowd.
1:12:13
Speaker 2: They're all like, and one lad, he just come. He
1:12:16
Speaker 2: sort of comes out from the back, comes up up
1:12:18
Speaker 2: to the camera and he goes six seven and that
1:12:21
Speaker 2: was that was it. But it's it's just his demeanor.
1:12:25
Speaker 2: And anyway, I had to explain this to my son,
1:12:28
Speaker 2: who's ten, and he was not happy. He's like, Dad,
1:12:33
Speaker 2: you're way too old to be explaining something kids. I
1:12:39
Speaker 2: should know that, not you. I thought, yeah, God, I
1:12:43
Speaker 2: like it.
1:12:43
Speaker 3: You know what?
1:12:44
Speaker 4: That reminds me of Me and Chris talk about Ruleboo
1:12:46
Speaker 4: cups sometimes because remember on Roop the first one, that
1:12:49
Speaker 4: television guy and he goes about ever a dollar and
1:12:51
Speaker 4: everybody laughs every bit. It's like the modern humor, and
1:12:54
Speaker 4: that is just like that six seven.
1:12:56
Speaker 3: Everyone last my daughters did have mentioned that, and I've
1:12:59
Speaker 3: heard it mention you elementship with a mate and I said,
1:13:02
Speaker 3: what's this six seven? And she's a version of it?
1:13:04
Speaker 3: Was this boy mentioned it and it went viral and
1:13:06
Speaker 3: now everyone says it. And she says, I don't like it,
1:13:09
Speaker 3: but what what what's the relevance? I still I still
1:13:13
Speaker 3: do actually don't get it, Chris. I get what you
1:13:16
Speaker 3: just told me, but I don't understand. That's because there
1:13:19
Speaker 3: is no relevance.
1:13:20
Speaker 4: It's not like I suppose what we're getting at is
1:13:24
Speaker 4: that it's like the sims in it. That's what we're
1:13:28
Speaker 4: we're living where where we are, even more so now
1:13:32
Speaker 4: because we've walked away from the crowd, if you like.
1:13:35
Speaker 4: When I interact with any normal I walk around the
1:13:38
Speaker 4: Halifax Market yesterday, I thought, I'm gonna have a look
1:13:40
Speaker 4: see what the old market built. A beautiful Victorian building whatever.
1:13:45
Speaker 4: We have some great energy and I'm sure there's a
1:13:47
Speaker 4: lot of history in there, but.
1:13:48
Speaker 3: It's totally dead. There's nothing going on. In comparison, Max
1:13:54
Speaker 3: have been screwed for years. Fare one hundred percent.
1:13:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it used to have smells, the
1:13:59
Speaker 4: cafes and whatever, you know, going on energy, going on,
1:14:02
Speaker 4: that interaction with humans.
1:14:04
Speaker 3: You know that that's gone. That has gone. We have
1:14:08
Speaker 3: the last bastion, im I've heard of that one.
1:14:10
Speaker 2: If we could go back to the seventies without the
1:14:13
Speaker 2: child abuse, that I'll be quite happy with that, you know.
1:14:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure the seventies and sixties, the eighties would
1:14:20
Speaker 4: not you know, we know that there were horrible things
1:14:23
Speaker 4: happening there. But now maybe it's his age, I don't know,
1:14:28
Speaker 4: but it seems worse, like it's more contrived. They've got
1:14:31
Speaker 4: even more control over kids, not necessarily us, but other kids.
1:14:35
Speaker 4: You know, they can release a video and it just
1:14:38
Speaker 4: takes over the life. A ten second video or twenty
1:14:41
Speaker 4: second video takes over the lives. How much controls that
1:14:44
Speaker 4: for these satanic evns, the bastards.
1:14:47
Speaker 2: The addiction of the dose, well, it's awful to see,
1:14:52
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm speaking as a parent here, and
1:14:55
Speaker 2: you know you I can't. You know, I used to
1:14:59
Speaker 2: disappear and read book books. That was what I love
1:15:01
Speaker 2: to do. I used to get myself a glass of
1:15:03
Speaker 2: hot orange squash I know that sounds weird, but.
1:15:07
Speaker 3: I actually drink black currant. Yeah.
1:15:10
Speaker 2: I used to have like a beaker of hot orange
1:15:12
Speaker 2: squash and I used to take myself up lie on
1:15:15
Speaker 2: the bed. I'd read when I was young. It was
1:15:17
Speaker 2: all the Famous Fives, the Secret Sevens. Then I moved
1:15:20
Speaker 2: on to The Three Investigators, and then I found the
1:15:26
Speaker 2: series that changed my life. It was Willard Price Hallan
1:15:30
Speaker 2: Rodgers Adventure series. All these two lads that just went
1:15:34
Speaker 2: off around the world having these mad adventures in you know, scuba.
1:15:40
Speaker 4: Did you have to read though, missing what kids can't do?
1:15:44
Speaker 4: Now you're not just reading there, You've got an imagination
1:15:47
Speaker 4: to build that picture in your mind, and the writers
1:15:49
Speaker 4: can write like that as well, to build that picture.
1:15:52
Speaker 4: Watching something the other day that said they've now got
1:15:55
Speaker 4: to make TV programs right in mind that people are
1:16:00
Speaker 4: scrolling and watching the film. So that's why the script's changed,
1:16:04
Speaker 4: where they've got to over explain what they're doing because
1:16:06
Speaker 4: they know people are only connected like.
1:16:09
Speaker 3: Which goes back to that two minutes on. I've got
1:16:13
Speaker 3: very fond memories reading comics in my bedroom. I remember
1:16:15
Speaker 3: my bedroom had that fat window so far sitting in
1:16:17
Speaker 3: there in the new window. So reading comics, you know,
1:16:19
Speaker 3: with a dream you said there were comics, but they
1:16:21
Speaker 3: had rattle inside them. A couple of Yeah, very fond memory.
1:16:30
Speaker 3: I even remember. I remember that deadhead on the on
1:16:32
Speaker 3: the motorway banking. Fire used to go. I built a
1:16:34
Speaker 3: den on there, like dug a hole into the into
1:16:36
Speaker 3: the banking, put carpets and stuff in there, and a
1:16:39
Speaker 3: roof on it. And he's going there with Jim Madog
1:16:41
Speaker 3: with a comic in a candle, and I thought that
1:16:45
Speaker 3: was brilliant. No one knew where I was. And then
1:16:47
Speaker 3: all the least came off the tree and it just
1:16:48
Speaker 3: stood out like so them. Yeah, you'd have been no
1:16:50
Speaker 3: good at Marines.
1:16:53
Speaker 2: When you built as a kid. It just opened up
1:16:56
Speaker 2: this hole. Oh wow, you truly believe you was going
1:16:59
Speaker 2: to move move into that den, or at least staying
1:17:01
Speaker 2: there a few nights, and you thinking of this lighting
1:17:05
Speaker 2: system and bringing down some tins of beans and fires it.
1:17:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to think that.
1:17:11
Speaker 2: Youngsters now they don't have any of that. You know,
1:17:14
Speaker 2: you don't go out the woods and find like dens.
1:17:16
Speaker 2: And that funny story. Actually, Chris, we built one, if
1:17:19
Speaker 2: you remember that, we built one. Who I had an here,
1:17:22
Speaker 2: and him and his mates built one in and he
1:17:24
Speaker 2: made a stone because the building had fallen down. You
1:17:26
Speaker 2: put a chimney in and.
1:17:26
Speaker 3: Everything like a fire and everything in it, and him
1:17:29
Speaker 3: and his mates were and then the wouldn't let me in,
1:17:30
Speaker 3: so I pissed down. The chimney busted out, remember that one.
1:17:39
Speaker 4: But even lighting a fire, right, people were skilled just
1:17:42
Speaker 4: as simple, even though it's striking a match, not rubbing
1:17:45
Speaker 4: rocks together, but lighting a fire, I could like we
1:17:48
Speaker 4: we lived in a farm that the central eating system
1:17:51
Speaker 4: was basically an ager, right, and it had a coal fire,
1:17:54
Speaker 4: and we we could like fires. You know, you weren't scared.
1:17:59
Speaker 3: You got bollocked if you didn't like the fire, boed if.
1:18:01
Speaker 4: You didn't like the fire. We had to get the
1:18:03
Speaker 4: fire lit. When we came on from school. Dad were
1:18:06
Speaker 4: working the moon. We're working. We were only early teens,
1:18:08
Speaker 4: you know. And feed the cows and feed the sheep.
1:18:10
Speaker 4: You know that the responsibility that we had, I mean,
1:18:15
Speaker 4: people had paper round milk rounds, whatever they did. Because
1:18:18
Speaker 4: the responsibility has been taken away now from children, they
1:18:21
Speaker 4: don't do anything. The only responsibility they've got is playing
1:18:25
Speaker 4: on a ps or doing something doom scrolling or listening
1:18:28
Speaker 4: to TikTok.
1:18:29
Speaker 3: I'm going to say those words as well, guys, that
1:18:32
Speaker 3: doom scroll was brought that into the lexicon doom scrolling.
1:18:35
Speaker 3: And do you remember there's another one a while ago,
1:18:37
Speaker 3: bedrotting Ken. Yeah, like you just like bed or they're
1:18:41
Speaker 3: watching TV. These terminologies, someone's brought them in as part
1:18:44
Speaker 3: of the operation.
1:18:45
Speaker 4: I think, see definitely not probably definitely.
1:18:49
Speaker 2: You guys, then I'm seriously in two minds with this
1:18:53
Speaker 2: at the moment. I don't have personally, as you know,
1:18:58
Speaker 2: the way I live my own life, not not my
1:19:00
Speaker 2: YouTube and all that. I have no problem with not
1:19:03
Speaker 2: being on social media. I don't really care. I think
1:19:07
Speaker 2: if you're a mate of mine, your phone number is
1:19:09
Speaker 2: going to be on my phone and I'll I'll maybe
1:19:12
Speaker 2: use WhatsApp or whatever. I totally almost find it repulsive,
1:19:17
Speaker 2: the whole fucking I've.
1:19:19
Speaker 3: Never been on. It made me.
1:19:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the algorithm.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, you guys know how hard it
1:19:28
Speaker 2: is to make a YouTube channel work. It's absolute. You've
1:19:32
Speaker 2: got to play this, You've got to do this like this.
1:19:36
Speaker 2: And the social media side is to not be able
1:19:39
Speaker 2: to let your Facebook and your Instagram know that hey,
1:19:42
Speaker 2: new video out today, or I'll be chatting or or
1:19:45
Speaker 2: even me, I do a lot of you know, charity stuff.
1:19:48
Speaker 2: I'm quite fitness orientated, so I'm always trying to inspire
1:19:52
Speaker 2: people get up a bit earlier, get out and have
1:19:55
Speaker 2: your walk, or get down the gym, go for a swim,
1:19:58
Speaker 2: you know. And that's that's all really handy. But I
1:20:02
Speaker 2: noticed the effect that this scrolling has. I noticed first
1:20:05
Speaker 2: of all, that I catch myself scrolling. I don't know
1:20:08
Speaker 2: why it Facebook is. I just always feel that there's
1:20:12
Speaker 2: going to be something from someone that I need to
1:20:14
Speaker 2: and I catch myself and I get full of self
1:20:18
Speaker 2: hatred about the fact that I've just been And then
1:20:21
Speaker 2: when I go out with the family, I'm like, oh, sorry,
1:20:24
Speaker 2: I've gone out of focus. When I go out with
1:20:26
Speaker 2: the family, focused on yeah, oh it focused on you
1:20:33
Speaker 2: should you should be a YouTuber. When I'm out with family,
1:20:39
Speaker 2: I have this like I can't quite enjoy it because
1:20:43
Speaker 2: I should probably leave the phone at home. You know.
1:20:46
Speaker 3: I've got a burna fon Chris that helped me because
1:20:48
Speaker 3: I was going down the same road. So I've got
1:20:51
Speaker 3: one of those that's got no internet on there anything,
1:20:53
Speaker 3: and not because of the waves or anything. It was purely.
1:20:56
Speaker 3: It was about seven years ago. I just when my
1:20:58
Speaker 3: daughter was born. I was in the port and this
1:21:00
Speaker 3: is I had a smartphone then, and I was in
1:21:02
Speaker 3: the airport. We're going on holiday and the missus and
1:21:06
Speaker 3: I was just there on my own and I was
1:21:07
Speaker 3: I was looking around thinking people used to sit and
1:21:10
Speaker 3: have a book in the hand, don't they. And I
1:21:12
Speaker 3: look round there and I remember, and then we're going
1:21:13
Speaker 3: back eight years ago and everyone was on the phone,
1:21:17
Speaker 3: and I thought, this is getting weird now. And we
1:21:19
Speaker 3: went on that holiday and my missus dad was there
1:21:21
Speaker 3: and he obviously had an old phone, like an old
1:21:22
Speaker 3: burner phone, and he threw it in the corner and
1:21:25
Speaker 3: it sat there. Two weeks late, we're on a two
1:21:27
Speaker 3: week hold, and it was covered in dust, you know,
1:21:29
Speaker 3: two weeks he'd not touched it. And I thought, I
1:21:31
Speaker 3: want to I want to get to that point. And
1:21:33
Speaker 3: now I've got a small old Nokia phone whatever the
1:21:36
Speaker 3: reconditioned thing, and I leave it in my car overnight.
1:21:39
Speaker 3: I don't even think about it. I've got a tablet here,
1:21:42
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I've got an iPad like mostly
1:21:44
Speaker 3: out phone. But when I'm out and about, I do
1:21:47
Speaker 3: not think of my phone at all. So he relieved
1:21:50
Speaker 3: me that. And what I did was I treat myself
1:21:51
Speaker 3: to a nice cameras are handing out on the phone.
1:21:53
Speaker 3: I treat myself to a nice old score camera. And
1:21:57
Speaker 3: I've never looked back.
1:21:57
Speaker 4: I've never ever thought it looks like a Columbian tourist
1:22:00
Speaker 4: and never at it.
1:22:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take everywhere, but I've never ever looked back
1:22:05
Speaker 3: and thought maybe I should get If I went traveling,
1:22:07
Speaker 3: I'd probably get one or wherever. And I'm not saying
1:22:09
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have one, whatever, whatever flo you got, but
1:22:11
Speaker 3: I just do not have that.
1:22:13
Speaker 4: Well, I'm one of the people to blame because in
1:22:14
Speaker 4: ninety one I set a company up with Telecoms Company
1:22:17
Speaker 4: and I was selling mobiles that were my business. And
1:22:20
Speaker 4: I remember in the mid late nineties when we were
1:22:23
Speaker 4: talking about email or mid ninety so, email was going
1:22:27
Speaker 4: to bring about a three day week, and when they
1:22:29
Speaker 4: brought it on to the phone, they said it would
1:22:31
Speaker 4: even going to be shorter. And all it's done is
1:22:34
Speaker 4: meaning that people were twenty four hours a day, seven
1:22:36
Speaker 4: days a week. It's actually had the opposite effect too.
1:22:40
Speaker 4: Which is quite obviously. That was another trick.
1:22:42
Speaker 3: In the armor of the year. If you go to
1:22:45
Speaker 3: London now and you're going on the underground. I remember
1:22:47
Speaker 3: because I was in the early nineties, everyone had a
1:22:48
Speaker 3: book or a magazine or a newspaper. Now everyone's on
1:22:51
Speaker 3: the phone. You literally do not. And I even to
1:22:53
Speaker 3: a point where I read an article recently and it
1:22:56
Speaker 3: was saying people who read books in public are just
1:22:58
Speaker 3: trying to show off, and you're like, what like he
1:23:02
Speaker 3: literally said that they were predace turned it around, they
1:23:04
Speaker 3: said they were looking for women. They're trying to pick
1:23:06
Speaker 3: up women because they've got the book with them in
1:23:08
Speaker 3: a po bar on a train, showing off. And it
1:23:11
Speaker 3: was talking about it from that angle, how bizarre? What? What?
1:23:15
Speaker 3: What are we living where? To me, that was that
1:23:18
Speaker 3: were the only bonus of commuting because I used to
1:23:20
Speaker 3: live in London. Is a bonus of commuting? Was you
1:23:22
Speaker 3: got to read a book a week. Listen this even now, right,
1:23:25
Speaker 3: I've got a bog book. Right, I don't think you
1:23:27
Speaker 3: need to tell people got a bog book. I've got
1:23:31
Speaker 3: one of that read downstairs on the kitchen table. I've
1:23:33
Speaker 3: got one that I read before. What it is I like.
1:23:37
Speaker 3: I like reading that much. I've got books.
1:23:42
Speaker 2: Have you got have you got a smartphone?
1:23:44
Speaker 3: Though?
1:23:44
Speaker 2: With social media?
1:23:46
Speaker 3: No?
1:23:46
Speaker 2: Not okay, because this is what I'm getting at is
1:23:49
Speaker 2: I can't quite get into books now and the only
1:23:53
Speaker 2: thing and I used to love I absolutely you know, I've.
1:23:57
Speaker 4: Got an iPhone, but I turn I've got internet and
1:24:00
Speaker 4: can't go on the internet.
1:24:01
Speaker 3: Turned it off?
1:24:02
Speaker 2: Right?
1:24:03
Speaker 3: Do you know?
1:24:04
Speaker 2: Do you not feel that, oh, you're not kind of
1:24:07
Speaker 2: promoting your channel and stuff.
1:24:09
Speaker 3: I don't care. We don't care. I mean, I've got
1:24:13
Speaker 3: an iPad and I am on Instagram. But to be fair,
1:24:16
Speaker 3: Chris even that I do enjoy the interaction with our
1:24:20
Speaker 3: people who listen to us. So I drop a picture
1:24:22
Speaker 3: and I'll put the thumbnail on there. But I've gone
1:24:24
Speaker 3: it once today for ten minutes and then I'll leave it.
1:24:27
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not addicted to social media. In fairness,
1:24:31
Speaker 3: everyone does what I mean. Our mites say rise above.
1:24:34
Speaker 3: They're all over social media and stuff like that. I
1:24:36
Speaker 3: don't think Mark does. Mark Devlin does a lot on
1:24:39
Speaker 3: social media. He's on them.
1:24:41
Speaker 4: I'm not even I actually by default got something on Facebook.
1:24:45
Speaker 4: I never use it and never log in. My wife
1:24:48
Speaker 4: logs in because we use it for our clinic. So
1:24:52
Speaker 4: because you're gonna have a Facebook account to set up Instagram,
1:24:55
Speaker 4: so we're by default she already had an Instagram account,
1:24:58
Speaker 4: so we couldn't use anywhere.
1:25:00
Speaker 3: Story point is we're not reliant on don't we don't?
1:25:03
Speaker 3: We just never a second thought.
1:25:04
Speaker 4: Is and in fairness, we don't normally come on on
1:25:07
Speaker 4: many shows do it.
1:25:12
Speaker 5: Well?
1:25:12
Speaker 2: No, I was honored that, I you know, I was
1:25:16
Speaker 2: honored that I often see you in my chat and
1:25:19
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm all up for you know, what's
1:25:22
Speaker 2: the word like mutual working? I think, you know, co working.
1:25:25
Speaker 2: I think that's cool. It's too bloody lonely doing this this,
1:25:31
Speaker 2: you know, would you work on your on your own? Yeah?
1:25:35
Speaker 2: You give me pause for thought there. The thing for
1:25:38
Speaker 2: me is all my sort of income comes from what
1:25:42
Speaker 2: I do. I don't have like another job. I mean, yes,
1:25:45
Speaker 2: I write books, I do a bit of public speaking occasion,
1:25:48
Speaker 2: a bit of life coaching, but essentially YouTube is like
1:25:52
Speaker 2: my hub of which everything else come comes to me.
1:25:56
Speaker 4: I think you're doing a really good job, Chris, because
1:25:59
Speaker 4: if you ibs have gone up massively, I mean we
1:26:02
Speaker 4: got hit hard in its twenty twenty one and put
1:26:05
Speaker 4: a video on in twenty twenty one and our channel
1:26:08
Speaker 4: has never been the same again. Chris sent me a
1:26:10
Speaker 4: video from the BBC about kids collapsing. So we were
1:26:15
Speaker 4: around about the time they were saying they were gonna
1:26:18
Speaker 4: three out finish the kids at schools. Yeah, and to
1:26:22
Speaker 4: pre empt this, to start releasing videos about kids collapsing
1:26:25
Speaker 4: at school or in playing sport and stuff like this,
1:26:28
Speaker 4: and they've done a big presentation on this video on
1:26:30
Speaker 4: the Chris probably about four or five minutes long. Anyway,
1:26:33
Speaker 4: I put that video on our channel and it's the
1:26:36
Speaker 4: only video I think I've ever put on that went
1:26:38
Speaker 4: really viral, Like hundreds of thousands of people had watched it.
1:26:41
Speaker 4: Never put it on Facebook, but I think some did
1:26:43
Speaker 4: put it on Facebook the link to it, and it
1:26:46
Speaker 4: went viral and it got turned off. It got turned
1:26:48
Speaker 4: off while we were recording a podcast actually, and it
1:26:50
Speaker 4: went about something like four or five hundred thousand, because
1:26:53
Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was that much, and I
1:26:54
Speaker 4: looked at it and thought, hell, where's it going from that?
1:26:57
Speaker 4: It'll put it on two hours agod itself. I did
1:26:59
Speaker 4: have to actually bricked it and anyway, the BBC complained
1:27:04
Speaker 4: to YouTube and they turned it off because they said
1:27:07
Speaker 4: it were misrepresentation of the video, even though I hadn't
1:27:09
Speaker 4: changed it with just the same video and anyway, after
1:27:13
Speaker 4: I complained to YouTube, they turned it back on. Yeah,
1:27:16
Speaker 4: and the BBC wrote us an email. The legal team
1:27:19
Speaker 4: at BBC said they're going to file a case against us.
1:27:22
Speaker 4: And since then that channel has never been the same.
1:27:24
Speaker 4: We get about one hundreds, so I've never really tried
1:27:26
Speaker 4: to grow the channel.
1:27:27
Speaker 3: Really.
1:27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interestingly it's in had I just stuck on
1:27:34
Speaker 2: the military thing that I did in the early days,
1:27:36
Speaker 2: and I was never promoting war every I was saying, look, folks,
1:27:40
Speaker 2: this is what I did as a youngster. You know,
1:27:43
Speaker 2: there was some great times. I'm never going to regret it.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: Very proud of the men that I work with, Still
1:27:49
Speaker 2: friends with a lot of them to this day. Know,
1:27:50
Speaker 2: no sort of issue there. But however, you know, definitely
1:27:54
Speaker 2: post New York and Washington, Yeah, yeah, you've got to
1:27:58
Speaker 2: wake up and realize, oh, you're working for you know,
1:28:01
Speaker 2: and I've all that's always been my thing. But then
1:28:05
Speaker 2: I got in this situation where when I started to
1:28:08
Speaker 2: talk talk about the good stuff, which is basically anything
1:28:11
Speaker 2: other than the military, you know, sport, fitness, health, skydive,
1:28:16
Speaker 2: in traveling, all the charity work I've done, wonderful podcasts
1:28:21
Speaker 2: like this people. You know, people would leave comments going, ah,
1:28:26
Speaker 2: I remember when you used to talk to military heroes,
1:28:29
Speaker 2: and I thought, if you could just understand how oxymoronic
1:28:34
Speaker 2: what you've just said that none of us were heroes.
1:28:37
Speaker 2: You think they are because you're missing something in your
1:28:40
Speaker 2: life and you hear you know, you take your divinity
1:28:44
Speaker 2: from your inside and you have the need to put
1:28:47
Speaker 2: it on other people. And when I saw how sad
1:28:50
Speaker 2: a lot of people were, and our youngsters from all
1:28:54
Speaker 2: the call of duty, that that just made me more
1:28:57
Speaker 2: to do and to just keep you know, I had
1:29:00
Speaker 2: other buddies. They stuck with the military thing and they
1:29:03
Speaker 2: got three hundred thousand, half a million, one million subscribe
1:29:08
Speaker 2: And it's you know, I'm in my own moral compass here.
1:29:11
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to do you know, I'm
1:29:14
Speaker 2: not not judging anyone obviously, but what price success? You know,
1:29:18
Speaker 2: I would just grow my channel my way.
1:29:22
Speaker 4: Well, David Beckham's now Sir David Beckham. So some people
1:29:25
Speaker 4: like selling them selves to the masters. If you like, yeah,
1:29:30
Speaker 4: and that's no disrespect to them. That's their choice. You know,
1:29:34
Speaker 4: it's a difficult one, Linicris. I mean, we're just coming
1:29:36
Speaker 4: up to that hero worship, if you call it hero worship.
1:29:39
Speaker 4: Eleven eleven? Is it this weekend?
1:29:42
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the old numbers.
1:29:44
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, at the cenotaph. The now that is a
1:29:49
Speaker 4: massive controlling element in this where they say these people
1:29:53
Speaker 4: sacrifice their lives. I like the way they use these words.
1:29:55
Speaker 4: They sacrifice their lives for freedom, for you, for your
1:30:00
Speaker 4: way of life and all. And that's a line itself.
1:30:04
Speaker 4: These people were brave, you know, but they were brave
1:30:07
Speaker 4: on all sides, not just our side. The Germans were
1:30:10
Speaker 4: brave et cetera, and other German soldiers. And I was
1:30:16
Speaker 4: into reading. I've got loads of books about World War One,
1:30:19
Speaker 4: World War two, diaries on World War One, looking through
1:30:22
Speaker 4: or into psychology. Interesting reading people's mindset when they were
1:30:26
Speaker 4: sat in a trench up to the knees in mud.
1:30:30
Speaker 4: And then I read somewhere this what got me on
1:30:34
Speaker 4: the wall that I realized it was just a scam,
1:30:36
Speaker 4: a guy wrote, he said, and we're in the I
1:30:39
Speaker 4: forget when it went.
1:30:40
Speaker 3: I think it was the song.
1:30:40
Speaker 4: We had to fire a belt of ammunition all the
1:30:43
Speaker 4: way up the line, all the machine gunners every night,
1:30:47
Speaker 4: just let the Germans know we're there. But it wasn't
1:30:49
Speaker 4: when you looked into it deeper, it was an order
1:30:52
Speaker 4: that had come because obviously someone in London had a
1:30:56
Speaker 4: deal with the military to make bullets, and they didn't
1:31:00
Speaker 4: make more bullets unless they're fired.
1:31:02
Speaker 3: So imagine how many bullets were just fired just so
1:31:04
Speaker 3: these contracts were filled.
1:31:06
Speaker 4: You know, that's just one thing, you know, that just
1:31:09
Speaker 4: one that not the guys that make the boots or
1:31:11
Speaker 4: the buttons and everything else, all the same things were
1:31:14
Speaker 4: you know, and these people were at the front thinking
1:31:17
Speaker 4: they were fighting for freedom. But if they just got
1:31:19
Speaker 4: up and said I've had enough of fighting for freedom
1:31:20
Speaker 4: and going home, they'll be shot by their own side.
1:31:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:31:23
Speaker 2: Did you know you know the famous football match on
1:31:26
Speaker 2: Christmas Day? Yeah, I heard this story once that that
1:31:32
Speaker 2: that wasn't just a one off like we're told. That
1:31:35
Speaker 2: was actually like the status quo quite a lot is
1:31:38
Speaker 2: that the Germans would come over to the English lines,
1:31:43
Speaker 2: sit down, get out photos of their family, share chocolate
1:31:46
Speaker 2: and anyone, you know, anyone got some brandy let's have
1:31:50
Speaker 2: a nip of that. And then when the big wigs arrived,
1:31:53
Speaker 2: they'd all quickly scuttle back to their own lines and
1:31:56
Speaker 2: they'd be like, right, we're gonna we're gonna fire a
1:31:58
Speaker 2: few shots now, make it, make it look you know,
1:32:01
Speaker 2: and you know, I totally believe it. These were just
1:32:04
Speaker 2: normal people taken from Civy Street and shoved into a bloody,
1:32:08
Speaker 2: muddy water field hole in France. And they must half
1:32:13
Speaker 2: of them must have been there, go what are we?
1:32:14
Speaker 2: What are we doing? This lot over here? You know,
1:32:18
Speaker 2: they all sing like hymns and stuff at night time
1:32:20
Speaker 2: and and you know, a chocolate and study.
1:32:25
Speaker 3: And not all of that, all of that.
1:32:26
Speaker 4: But people were, especially the officers. A lot of them
1:32:30
Speaker 4: were educated in England or they were British went to
1:32:33
Speaker 4: Germany to be educated, so they actually knew each other,
1:32:35
Speaker 4: a lot of them, and you know, they were, like
1:32:38
Speaker 4: you said, there were more of them getting on. It
1:32:41
Speaker 4: wasn't a hatred war. People didn't hit the Germans and
1:32:44
Speaker 4: vice versa. That was propaganda.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: That obviously, I still think it's propaganda. Now I've never
1:32:49
Speaker 2: met a horrible German. I live with a German lad
1:32:53
Speaker 2: all the way through University, absolutely wonderful chapter. His family
1:32:58
Speaker 2: was so so good to me. I think that, you know,
1:33:02
Speaker 2: history has really been warped to fit a certain narrative,
1:33:06
Speaker 2: horrendous in it, and we need to stop selling. It's
1:33:09
Speaker 2: why I won't ever use the word. I'm going to
1:33:11
Speaker 2: use it now, but I won't ever use the word Nazi.
1:33:14
Speaker 2: They they were national social. They never were Nazis. They
1:33:17
Speaker 2: were social.
1:33:18
Speaker 3: But look look what look where it did to the
1:33:20
Speaker 3: German people. I know a German follower here. It's traumatized
1:33:24
Speaker 3: them thinking, yeah, that they're their relatives with these evil
1:33:28
Speaker 3: I actually had a word with fellow reli John is
1:33:31
Speaker 3: my my daughter's friend's dad, and I said, you know,
1:33:34
Speaker 3: but you know, the Germans were no more evil or
1:33:37
Speaker 3: responsible than the English are all. They were all just
1:33:39
Speaker 3: thinking they were fighting for their own country. They're all propagandazsself.
1:33:42
Speaker 3: And even now he said, no, no, I think my
1:33:44
Speaker 3: granddad did some horrible, horrible stuff. Anybody thinks that Church
1:33:47
Speaker 3: is a good guy. Yeah, the apologizing for it still now, Chris,
1:33:51
Speaker 3: they do. I knew a girl who'ster burst in it
1:33:54
Speaker 3: is whenever she hadow b Oh, We're so sorry. I've
1:33:57
Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. You know, they've got this guilt that
1:33:59
Speaker 3: we haven't got. We've got this you know that.
1:34:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible, Yes, yeah, no, I had exactly the
1:34:06
Speaker 2: same thing. I was with a friend of mine in
1:34:08
Speaker 2: London as German wife, and I said, look, I think
1:34:11
Speaker 2: we've all been sold a lie. I don't see you
1:34:14
Speaker 2: people as like this fucking evil master. I think you're
1:34:18
Speaker 2: you know, you very much love your country. You wanted
1:34:22
Speaker 2: to get it back on its feet from absolute abject poverty,
1:34:25
Speaker 2: and you you achieved that, and in the process you
1:34:29
Speaker 2: kick the roth Child's out, which wasn't probably.
1:34:33
Speaker 3: You know, not the best plan.
1:34:34
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, actually locked they actually locked up one
1:34:37
Speaker 2: of the roth Childs, and you know not now.
1:34:41
Speaker 4: One of the Wallenbergs. One of the Wallenbergs as well.
1:34:44
Speaker 4: He disappeared, I think. But it always gets me, you know,
1:34:47
Speaker 4: how evil let's just say how powerful they were. But yeah,
1:34:51
Speaker 4: you've got a country next door that apparently as all
1:34:53
Speaker 4: the riches are in Switzerland. Yeah, and they didn't invade.
1:34:57
Speaker 2: That weird Chris.
1:35:02
Speaker 3: Yes, it's strange.
1:35:05
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, Listen, this has been an absolute pleasure. I could
1:35:08
Speaker 2: talk all afternoon, but I tend to try to keep
1:35:12
Speaker 2: keep the shows a bit short. I used to do
1:35:14
Speaker 2: like three or four hours in the early days, but
1:35:18
Speaker 2: the problem is that people haven't got that time to
1:35:20
Speaker 2: watch now. And I'd rather you came back on and
1:35:24
Speaker 2: we kicked this off again and have another yacht because
1:35:26
Speaker 2: it's been wonderful.
1:35:27
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've really enjoyed chatting. Yeah.
1:35:31
Speaker 4: I actually knew it would be even before we did this.
1:35:34
Speaker 4: I remember being in the chat a year or so
1:35:37
Speaker 4: ago and we're sort of talking then, won't we and
1:35:41
Speaker 4: it's materialized now, but and you would sort of click.
1:35:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one thing I would say. And I don't know,
1:35:49
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm sure I'm assuming that you
1:35:51
Speaker 2: guys get this as well. But I get a lot
1:35:53
Speaker 2: of guests that are really surprised after they come on
1:35:56
Speaker 2: the show and they say, oh, that was really different
1:35:59
Speaker 2: from from all the other ones I've done. That was
1:36:02
Speaker 2: just more like a chat Chris, wasn't it. I'm like, yeah,
1:36:04
Speaker 2: that's that's it. That's you know. I mean, I took
1:36:08
Speaker 2: my lead from Joe Rogan, and that was back in
1:36:11
Speaker 2: the early day, before Joe Rogan got all political and controversial,
1:36:15
Speaker 2: and certain narratives weren't talked about and all this kind
1:36:19
Speaker 2: of stuff. It used to be a bloody good show
1:36:21
Speaker 2: talking about the you know, the Apollo landings and all this,
1:36:25
Speaker 2: all the good stuff, you know. And and I remember
1:36:28
Speaker 2: listening to one show. It was a Navy seal, former
1:36:31
Speaker 2: Navy seal, and it's like he'd swum from Hawaii to Awahu, punching,
1:36:38
Speaker 2: punching sharks on on on the way, and I thought,
1:36:41
Speaker 2: I can't believe I can listen to this for free.
1:36:43
Speaker 2: This is a this is just an amazing part. And
1:36:47
Speaker 2: that's why I started talking to It wasn't that camera.
1:36:50
Speaker 2: It was an no rubbish seven to twenty p camera
1:36:53
Speaker 2: I had. I just started talking better, you know, and
1:36:55
Speaker 2: the rest is the rest is history. But I do
1:36:58
Speaker 2: like that sort of you know, I do like that
1:37:00
Speaker 2: just conversate, that conversation approach. And it's quite funny. Some
1:37:05
Speaker 2: podcast you're go on, they really try so hard. They're like, right,
1:37:09
Speaker 2: hang on, I've got my questions, okay, and you're like, look,
1:37:14
Speaker 2: let's just chat. It's it's yeah, but are you happy, Chris?
1:37:17
Speaker 2: Are you happy with what I'm I talk about anything?
1:37:22
Speaker 2: I don't care.
1:37:23
Speaker 4: But all of that, though, there's different types, like this
1:37:25
Speaker 4: is just a chat in it I mean if we
1:37:27
Speaker 4: count all the chat down after doing what we've been
1:37:28
Speaker 4: doing for the last five or six years, then we
1:37:30
Speaker 4: need to back it into it.
1:37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:37:32
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And obviously then you've got your presentations where I
1:37:36
Speaker 4: do write a fixed sort of script if you like,
1:37:39
Speaker 4: a column script, but it's not necessarily script. Things I
1:37:42
Speaker 4: want to get in. But you will end off in
1:37:44
Speaker 4: different tangents when you do the present even presentations.
1:37:47
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, absolutely.
1:37:49
Speaker 3: I'm involved.
1:37:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, gentlemen, stay on the line just so when
1:37:54
Speaker 2: I've switched the recording off, I can thank you properly.
1:37:57
Speaker 2: But for the purposes of the tape, massive, massive, thank you,
1:38:00
Speaker 2: great chat. Can't wait for round two. Friends at home,
1:38:05
Speaker 2: We're going to put Dom and Chris's links below the
1:38:08
Speaker 2: below the video so you can take her take a
1:38:11
Speaker 2: walk over to the sheep farm. That's my Alan Partridge impression.
1:38:17
Speaker 2: Now I'm not even going to try that. Friends, Can
1:38:20
Speaker 2: I just say some of you know I'm going to
1:38:23
Speaker 2: summ it Mount Everest in May, starting the expedition in April.
1:38:28
Speaker 2: I'm doing it to raise awareness of the link between
1:38:31
Speaker 2: childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences, and the PTSD in later life.
1:38:38
Speaker 2: Will more appropriately complex PTSD because we lose a lot
1:38:43
Speaker 2: of people to suicide in the veterans community and nobody,
1:38:48
Speaker 2: nobody is talking like this. It's like a you know,
1:38:51
Speaker 2: like it's just there is not like anything because no one,
1:38:55
Speaker 2: just people are just not talking about it. So I
1:38:57
Speaker 2: want to shout that from the highest mountain on the
1:38:59
Speaker 2: plant it whilst shining a light for my fellow veterans
1:39:03
Speaker 2: who might still be struggling like I did when I
1:39:05
Speaker 2: left the Marines. And there is always light at the
1:39:10
Speaker 2: end of a tunnel. Folks, you you will never know
1:39:13
Speaker 2: how massively you are loved, not least of which by me,
1:39:17
Speaker 2: and I may not even have met you. If you
1:39:20
Speaker 2: were to disappear tomorrow, there would be so many utterly
1:39:26
Speaker 2: you know, distraught people. I can tell you that because
1:39:30
Speaker 2: I see the aftermath of these events. So remember you're
1:39:33
Speaker 2: a legend, born a legend, You'll die a legend. Just
1:39:37
Speaker 2: make sure you remember you're a legend. In between. If
1:39:40
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1:39:45
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1:39:56
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