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Sharri | 13 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Show Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Will tonight coming up my exclusive interview with Treasurer Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers ahead of tomorrow's budget. But first some breaking news
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Speaker 2: I can exclusively reveal. It was Anthony Albanesi's personal decision
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Speaker 2: to support the vote at the United Nations to grant
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Speaker 2: Palestine a seat. There was still ongoing discussion about whether
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Speaker 2: to abstain when the Prime Minister made the final call.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi confirmed this to Labor Caucus today, saying, and
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Speaker 2: he said this twice, and I quote it was my decision.
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Speaker 2: So this United Nations vote was Albanese's captain's call. That's
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Speaker 2: what he told Labor Caucus today twice, saying he made
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Speaker 2: the decision. Now, he made these remarks in Labor caucus
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Speaker 2: when Labor MP deb O'Neill asked him what he was
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Speaker 2: doing to tackle antisemitism. Well, the Prime Minister never directly
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Speaker 2: answered her question, instead speaking about the United Nations vote. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is the most disgraceful decision yet taken by Albinizi
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Speaker 2: and Penny Wong. And it was a decision that Pennywog
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Speaker 2: and Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles agreed with rewarding a
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization which has made no concessions at all towards
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Speaker 2: peace by voting to grant it a seat at the UN,
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Speaker 2: the Yuen which was created in the wake of the
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Speaker 2: Holocaust to make sure the dark anti Semitism of the
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Speaker 2: Nazis never happens again. What a failure of an organization
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Speaker 2: and a failure of our government. Pennywang and Albo voting
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Speaker 2: to give Palestine where let's not forget Hermas is the
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Speaker 2: current governing body in Gaza membership status. Penny Wong says
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Speaker 2: this reflects Australia's commitment to a two state solution. The
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Speaker 2: only problem, of course, is that Hermas and the Palestinians
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Speaker 2: don't want a two state solution. They only want one
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Speaker 2: state their own. They want the destruction of Israel, the
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Speaker 2: annihilation of Jews. Well, here was Israel's response at the UN.
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Speaker 3: This institution, here, the United Nations, was founded with the
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Speaker 3: mission of ensuring such tyranny never raises its ugly head again. Never. Today,
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Speaker 3: you are about to do the exact opposite and advance
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Speaker 3: the establishment of a Palestinian terror state, which will be
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Speaker 3: led by the Hitler of our times, the Hitler of
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Speaker 3: our times.
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Speaker 2: The Hitler of our times, precisely, Australia moving to recogniz
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Speaker 2: Palestine a seat at the UN is fantasyland, especially when
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Speaker 2: HERMAS is the current governing body in Gaza. I mean,
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Speaker 2: suppose the vote got through, would the UN just welcome
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Speaker 2: with open arms, the Harmas leadership or Mamudabas who supported
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Speaker 2: the October seven massacre. It's incomprehensible. Well, Pennylong spin on
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Speaker 2: this is that Hermas would hate the resolution.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: A two state solution both Israel and Palestine is the
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Speaker 4: opposite of what Hamas wants. Hamas does not want peace
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Speaker 4: and it does not want long term security for the
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Speaker 4: state of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's rubbish to say that Harmas wouldn't welcome this
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Speaker 2: historic vote, because they did welcome it. They said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote the Hamas said that the resolution is an
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Speaker 2: affirmation of international cooperation and all they had to do
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Speaker 2: to achieve this outcome was ruthless and in cold blood
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Speaker 2: murder thousands of Jews on October seven and drag Israel
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Speaker 2: into a war it never wanted, an impossible war tracking
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Speaker 2: down the terrorists while trying not to kill hostages of
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Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians. No concessions have been made by any of
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian leadership about Israel's right to exist, and there
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Speaker 2: have been no commitments to stop terror. Nothing. This resolution
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Speaker 2: is so absurd that Australia is utterly out of step
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Speaker 2: with our allies. As Simon Birmingham pointed out.
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Speaker 5: Today, neither of our Auchest partners supported this resolution. The
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Speaker 5: majority of our Five Eyes partners did not support this resolution.
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Speaker 5: So when you've got the United States, the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 5: Canada as well as of course others like Sweden and
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Speaker 5: Switzerland are the key democratic partners, Germany or Italy, what
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Speaker 5: is it that the Albanesi government has such great foresight
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Speaker 5: over But all of these are the key democratic partners,
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Speaker 5: key security partners of Australia have come to a different conclusion.
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Speaker 2: On The Australian's Foreign editor, Greg Sheridan says the only
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Speaker 2: explanation for such a move from Labour is tawdry domestic politics.
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Speaker 2: He writes that the macro political calculation for Labour is obvious.
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Speaker 2: There are one hundred thousand Jews in Australia and nearly
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Speaker 2: a million Muslims. He writes that almost all Muslims are
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Speaker 2: opposed to Israel. So Australian politics and foreign policy will
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Speaker 2: now contend with a permanent anti Israel dynamic. He says,
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Speaker 2: a more responsible and experienced government with an outs more
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Speaker 2: courage and heart would have avoided this needless sectarian divide.
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Speaker 2: Now many commentators have pointed out that this move is
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Speaker 2: Albanezi and Wong overturning decades of bipartisan support for Israel.
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Speaker 2: But in truth, the moment Albanesi stepped into the lodge,
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Speaker 2: he abandoned Australia's historic commitment to Israel. Everything Albanesi and
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong said prior to the last election about their
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Speaker 2: approach to the Middle East being bipartisan has turned out
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Speaker 2: to be a lie. Their greatest failure is turning their
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Speaker 2: back on the anti Semitism crisis that's unfolding right now
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Speaker 2: in university campuses and on our streets.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan blames domestic politics, and sure, that's definitely one reason,
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Speaker 2: but let's not forget where Albanese's own heart lies. That
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Speaker 2: he himself was once a pro Palestinian protester.
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Speaker 6: Israel trum children oh well.
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Speaker 1: Projects as.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Albanizi often says when he's asked about this topic, that
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Speaker 2: he knows this is a difficult issue for people on
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Speaker 2: both sides of the debate.
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Speaker 6: Have a look.
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Speaker 7: Some Australians will have strong views, and I understand that
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Speaker 7: particularly people who have relatives either in Israel or in
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Speaker 7: Gaza or the West Bank will have strong views and
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Speaker 7: it will be it is a difficult time.
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Speaker 1: He utterly misses the point.
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Speaker 2: This isn't a difficult issue because Jews have family in Israel,
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Speaker 2: although of course many Jews do have family in Israel,
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Speaker 2: and many actually have sons, young sons fighting hermas.
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Speaker 1: In Gaza right now.
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Speaker 2: But he misses the point because what Alban Eazi clearly
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Speaker 2: doesn't understand and has never understood, is that this is
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Speaker 2: an existential crisis for Jews the world over.
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Speaker 1: That's why it matters so much.
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Speaker 2: Penny Wang and Albanesi and other labor figures, they try
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Speaker 2: to make this about net in Yahoo, but I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who is in power, whether it's net
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Speaker 2: in Yahoo or another leader, because the terrorists aren't targeting
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Speaker 2: net in Yahoo. They're targeting Jews, Jewish babies, Jewish children,
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Speaker 2: teenage girls, mothers, and the elderly. Her Mus wants to
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Speaker 2: kill Jews, plain and simple. This is history repeating itself
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Speaker 2: over and over again, an enemy determined to wipe out
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Speaker 2: the Jews, and yet Albanezi stands and says, this is
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Speaker 2: a difficult time. People feel strongly about it because people
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Speaker 2: have family in the Middle.
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Speaker 1: East on both sides.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a difficult time because the Jews are fighting
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Speaker 2: for survival. We're fighting against those who are trying to
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Speaker 2: exterminate us yet again. And instead of leadership when we
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Speaker 2: need it the most, we see American politicians absurdly call
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Speaker 2: for elections in the democracy of Israel.
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Speaker 1: Will wake up, Joe Biden call for elections in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: And we see politicians in Australia squibbet and back in
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Speaker 2: a rational resolution to give the terrorists a seat at
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Speaker 2: the table at the UN, the very body created to
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Speaker 2: try and protect Jews from the existential threat we're facing
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Speaker 2: right now, the very body that officially gave Jews a
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Speaker 2: homeland in the first place. This is why it's a
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Speaker 2: difficult time. And your support of the resolution, backing the
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Speaker 2: seat at the UN without any peace agreement or any
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Speaker 2: concessions only emboldens the terrorists and puts Israel in a
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Speaker 2: more isolated and vulnerable position. Now I'm going to come
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Speaker 2: back to this topic later in the show. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to be joined by barrister and director of UK Lawyers
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Speaker 2: for Israel, Natasha Hausdorff.
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Speaker 1: You might remember her.
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Speaker 2: She went viral on a clip arguing with left leaning
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Speaker 2: media broadcasters on the BBC and elsewhere. She's going to
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Speaker 2: join me later in the program. As I mentioned, I've
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Speaker 2: also got an exclusive interview tonight with Treasurer at Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers as he looks to set the scene for the
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Speaker 2: government's high stakes budget tomorrow. Inflation the main focus as
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Speaker 2: he rolls the dice in one of his biggest political
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Speaker 2: gambles yet, and Albanezi hemorrhaging voters as it's revealed more
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Speaker 2: than a quarter of people who back to the PM
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Speaker 2: at the last selection won't vote for him again. Now
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Speaker 2: let's bring in first tonight my panel, Sky News host
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Speaker 2: Liz Stora and contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 8: Hello, well said, Thank.
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Speaker 1: You very much. Joe.
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Speaker 2: Now we've been speaking on this show about Elon Musk's
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Speaker 2: X and his fight with the federal government in court
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Speaker 2: to overturn a ban on the footage of the Wakely
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Speaker 2: Church stabbing. The e Safety Commissioner Julie in Man Grant
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Speaker 2: tried to extend an injunction on this, yet the court
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Speaker 2: ruled in Elon Musk's favor.
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Speaker 1: Joe, this is an important win for free speech because.
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Speaker 2: The government wanted this footage of a news event banned,
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Speaker 2: not just in Australia but right around the world.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a really interesting one. I thought, in what
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Speaker 9: i've kind of conflicted as usual obs city on the fence.
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Speaker 9: No I'm not, but I thought I thought the government
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Speaker 9: or the regulator, Julian mcgrant and the Safe Commissioner had
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Speaker 9: perfect grounds, especially in the heat of the moment, the
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Speaker 9: immediate aftermath of the stabbing, where we saw what looked
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Speaker 9: like a couple of copycat incidents, and certainly we know
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Speaker 9: that it was going viral, and that there were plots
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Speaker 9: or alleged plots among this person's immediate peer group where
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Speaker 9: they were allegedly watching videos terror videos like this one,
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Speaker 9: and they were using these to sort of rev themselves
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Speaker 9: up to commit another unspecified attack allegedly allegedly. This is
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Speaker 9: all being investigated and some of the before the courts.
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Speaker 9: So I think there was a justification in you know,
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Speaker 9: I'm a pragmatist up fundamentally. You know, I'm not going
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Speaker 9: to say, you know, we're going to let this terrorist threat,
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Speaker 9: you know, sweep through the community, because on principle, I
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Speaker 9: will not bend. However, I'm also very prop fary speech,
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Speaker 9: so I find it quite heartening that the Federal court
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Speaker 9: has said, look at this initial stage of the hearing,
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Speaker 9: we're going to err on the side of free speech.
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Speaker 9: But it's still not a complete Basically, all they've said is,
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Speaker 9: she said, well, can you keep the video down until
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Speaker 9: the case is hurt and until there's a final decision,
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Speaker 9: And they said, no, we're not going to do that.
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Speaker 9: The videos up until the actual final decision comes down.
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Speaker 9: So it's sort of in a bit of limbo at
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Speaker 9: the moment. But I do think it's good that courts,
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Speaker 9: which sometimes have the tendency to err on the side
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Speaker 9: of suppression and keeping the public as mushrooms, so actually
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Speaker 9: said no, in this case, we're going to err on
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Speaker 9: the side of letting the public, you know, letting this
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Speaker 9: be out there until we're determined. Otherwise, even if I do,
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Speaker 9: you'll think there were grounds, especially immediately after the attack,
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Speaker 9: for the video to be removed.
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Speaker 1: Especially in the str I mean, Liz, this is a
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Speaker 1: news event.
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't, as I've said before, you wouldn't remove footage
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Speaker 2: of nine to.
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Speaker 1: Eleven or anything else.
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Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense that this one particular attack
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Speaker 2: you'd remove when there are violent video games, violent movies,
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Speaker 2: violent terror, oh yeah, you know, violent television shows about terrorism.
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Speaker 2: All of that could incite young people not to mention
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Speaker 2: the hate preachers and nothing's been done about them.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely enough alb and.
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Speaker 2: Easy wanting to turn Elon Musk into a convenient villain exactly.
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Speaker 10: And as Brett Walker, the lawyer for X, has argued,
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Speaker 10: and I think anyone who's seen the video would agree,
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Speaker 10: the video in question does not meet the legal requirements.
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Speaker 10: It's not sufficiently violent enough in order to meet the
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Speaker 10: legal requirements to be taken down. And Elon has said,
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Speaker 10: ad nauseum, we do not break the laws in countries, okay,
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Speaker 10: So if something is breaking the law, we take it
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Speaker 10: off my platform. This does not break the Laura in Australia,
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Speaker 10: and I think this is a great early win for
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Speaker 10: X because we're also watching in real time the E
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Speaker 10: Safety Commissioner being taught the limits of her powers. Obviously
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Speaker 10: the trial will go on to investigate the merits or
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Speaker 10: I would argue the lack thereof of the extent of
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Speaker 10: her demands. But let's not forget this woman is racking
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Speaker 10: up a big bill for the taxpayer in court.
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Speaker 1: So we've got this going on with Elong Musk.
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Speaker 10: We've got Billboard Chris, the Canadian whose posts that she
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Speaker 10: took down after he simply posted regarding someone who advises
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Speaker 10: the UN on health matters and he posted about this
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Speaker 10: guy's ponchon for best reality and orgies and all nover
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Speaker 10: of I don't know why this is funny, Joe, and
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Speaker 10: he commented, you know, why is this person someone that
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Speaker 10: should be advising the UN or anyone else for that
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Speaker 10: matter on health issues. This is what the E Commissioner
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Speaker 10: chose to flex on and is now being taken to
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Speaker 10: court because once again she reached outside her jurisdiction and
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Speaker 10: wanted someone in Canada silenced on the platform X. So
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Speaker 10: she's embarrassing us on the world stage. Everyone's watching this
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Speaker 10: play out with X knowing that it's Australia's E Safety Commissioner.
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Speaker 10: We're the first country to have one, and I hope
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Speaker 10: that it's a very large billboard writ large for the
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Speaker 10: rest of the Western world, being like you don't want
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Speaker 10: one of these, Okay, they're expensive and they just keep
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Speaker 10: doing stupid.
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Speaker 1: Malcolm Turnbill hired her.
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Speaker 2: She is a woke you know, former tech company employee
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Speaker 2: from the US, and you know what, we should be concerned.
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Speaker 1: And I think this body needs to go back to
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Speaker 1: what it was, what it began with as a children's
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Speaker 1: e safety.
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Speaker 9: I think some of those from such obviously some of
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Speaker 9: those important, some of those decisions, do you know, do
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Speaker 9: vergon censorship. But just to be clear, like the reason
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Speaker 9: for taking down the attack in Wakely wasn't that it
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Speaker 9: was particularly obscene or particularly graphic. It was that it
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Speaker 9: was being actively used by the associates of this person
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Speaker 9: to kind of rev up people.
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Speaker 1: They don't know that at all. They spread like wildfire.
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Speaker 1: Everyone had seen it.
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Speaker 10: That's why the rise actly solians worldwide. She would be
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Speaker 10: far better used spending her valuable time trying to get
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Speaker 10: rid of children's pawn in Australia.
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Speaker 1: That's something we can all back.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this move by the South
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Speaker 2: Australian premier to have a blanket ban on social media
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Speaker 2: for children under the age of fourteen. The Malanascas government
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Speaker 2: has appointed a former High Court Chief Justice to examine
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Speaker 2: the legal pathways required to impose a ban Joe.
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Speaker 1: This does seem sensible.
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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of parents don't want their
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Speaker 2: you know, their young children to be on social media,
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Speaker 2: but they also don't want them to be left out
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Speaker 2: or to be bullied. So if you have a government saying, right,
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Speaker 2: you can't be on social media until you're fourteen, that's
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Speaker 2: kind of absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I mean, that's right. The premise of all freedoms, and
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Speaker 9: especially freedom of speech is you know, consenting adults. So
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Speaker 9: immediately when you children, that's right. We do only children
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Speaker 9: drive cars, buy alcohol, you know, watch pornography and we
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Speaker 9: and I think we're getting to the point where social
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Speaker 9: media is just as harmful, if not more so in
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Speaker 9: some cases than a lot of those scourges. It's in
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Speaker 9: terms of just the way it gears your brain. We've
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Speaker 9: seen in terms of the way it hurts kids academic
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Speaker 9: performance at school. They focus their concentration, their sociability, exposure
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Speaker 9: to bullying online mental health because you think that your
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Speaker 9: life is crap, because all you're seeing is sort of
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Speaker 9: influencers on Instagram, you know, living their best life and
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Speaker 9: looking like everything's fantastic all the time. So again I
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Speaker 9: think there's every the last thing you want to do. However,
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Speaker 9: I suppose make it more desirable. But as Melanascus points out,
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Speaker 9: you know, you know, smoking became more desirable when it
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Speaker 9: was banned, but that doesn't mean that more kids did
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Speaker 9: it than when or if it was available to if
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Speaker 9: you want, all the time they.
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Speaker 1: Were I restreets.
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Speaker 10: What do you think there's I think obviously it sounds
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Speaker 10: great on the face of it. The big question, and
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Speaker 10: this is what the Essay Inquiry will look into, is
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Speaker 10: how to enforce something like this. So at the moment,
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Speaker 10: if you want to open up an account on either
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Speaker 10: Instagram or Facebook, it's by their own stipulation you have
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Speaker 10: to be over the age of thirteen. Thirteen is the
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Speaker 10: very youngest you can open one. But of course kids lie,
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Speaker 10: so that hasn't served its purpose. What would it take though,
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Speaker 10: for the government to be able to police that? And
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Speaker 10: that's where we see things like when the Morrison government
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Speaker 10: first looked into this in twenty twenty two, again with
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Speaker 10: regard to online abuse and how can we crack down
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Speaker 10: on this? They had an inquiry and one of the
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Speaker 10: recommendations that came back was a credit system in which
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Speaker 10: if you wanted to have a social media account, you
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Speaker 10: would have to supply the platform with one hundred points
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Speaker 10: of identification your driver's license, your passport, etc.
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Speaker 1: And so on in order to use your account. So
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Speaker 1: that was very curious to see.
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Speaker 10: Troubles as well, how yes, but very curious to see
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Speaker 10: because people also do have a right to privacy online,
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Speaker 10: and it bears mentioning that a lot of people who
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Speaker 10: choose to be anonymous online aren't just the trolls, they
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Speaker 10: are conservatives, like libs of TikTok. Very famous case there
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Speaker 10: who ended up being dotted and her identity was made
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Speaker 10: known but known across the world. She's brilliant content, but
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Speaker 10: she had chosen to keep herself anonymous because she knew
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Speaker 10: by sharing this conservative content, I will be made to
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Speaker 10: pay dearly in my personal life. So I think there's
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Speaker 10: no way to enforce something like this without railroading people's
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Speaker 10: Josie very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Budget tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: Yes it will be incredibly boring, but don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm knowing you to the lock up.
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Speaker 1: I think the truth is walking a fine line.
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Speaker 9: That's exactly right, and I think he knows that we'll
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Speaker 9: be boring. He knows that he's really got to This
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Speaker 9: is going to be a really tricky one to land.
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Speaker 9: He's got to thread the needle, as they say he can't.
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Speaker 9: He knows that people are crying out for relief because
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Speaker 9: of the cost of living pressures that we all know
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Speaker 9: too well. But of course any relief that he does
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Speaker 9: give runs the risk of being inflationary. So again it's
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Speaker 9: just that catch twenty two cycle where people are hurting
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Speaker 9: because of high inflation, so you help them, but that
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Speaker 9: could cause high inflation, so you can't help them, but
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Speaker 9: then they're hurting and again. So I think he's provided
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Speaker 9: a very bullish forecast that by early next year inflash
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Speaker 9: will be back down between two and three percent. I
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Speaker 9: think that's pretty heroic. God. I hope he's right, and
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Speaker 9: that's Treasury's forecast. The RBA is a bit less optimistic,
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Speaker 9: but I think he'll really be trying to thread the deil.
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Speaker 9: And to be honest, I think he's a perfect man
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Speaker 9: for the job because he is a genuine moderate, a
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Speaker 9: genuine centrist, and hopefully he will just sort of hold
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Speaker 9: that middle line.
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Speaker 1: All right, Joe held a round the store. I thank
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Speaker 1: you both so much.
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Speaker 11: Thanks chair.
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Speaker 2: Now after the break, Treasurer Jim Chalmers joins me ahead
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Speaker 2: of tomorrow's high stakes federal budget. I'll ask him about
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Speaker 2: the difference in that inflation forecast that Joe just mentioned
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Speaker 2: and what it means if he gets it wrong. Stay tuned,
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Speaker 2: welcome back. Well, it's the night before the federal budget
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Speaker 2: and Treasurer Jim Chalmers joined me to speak about the
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Speaker 2: cost of living inflation and whether they'll be a surplus.
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Speaker 2: It's the only television interview he's doing today ahead of
21:16
Speaker 2: tomorrow's budget. We spoke in the last half hour and
21:20
Speaker 2: here's what he had to say. Treasure thank you so
21:23
Speaker 2: much for your time this evening.
21:25
Speaker 8: Thanks very much, Sherry for having me back on your show.
21:29
Speaker 1: Now, we're in a cost of living crisis.
21:31
Speaker 2: The RBA governor says that people are skipping medical appointments,
21:35
Speaker 2: Others are sending their kids to school without lunch. Families
21:38
Speaker 2: are even living in cars. What will you do as
21:42
Speaker 2: Treasurer to help vulnerable Australians in tomorrow's budget.
21:48
Speaker 8: Well, really, the main motivation behind this budget is people
21:51
Speaker 8: doing it tough, and we want to do more than
21:53
Speaker 8: just acknowledge that things are difficult for people right now,
21:57
Speaker 8: we're actually doing something about it. So there'll be cost
22:01
Speaker 8: of living relief in the budget. There'll be a tax
22:03
Speaker 8: cut for every taxpayer, but there'll be additional cost of
22:06
Speaker 8: living help on top of that as well, at the
22:08
Speaker 8: same time as we try and build much more housing,
22:12
Speaker 8: because that's one of the reasons why people are under
22:15
Speaker 8: so much pressure, that absence of housing.
22:19
Speaker 2: Look you right at the top of your notes, the
22:21
Speaker 2: words forty one, the first two digits of the logan
22:24
Speaker 2: postcode where you live. You've just spoken about tax cuts.
22:28
Speaker 2: You've said that they amount to about thirty six dollars
22:31
Speaker 2: a week, the Stage three tax cuts that will take
22:33
Speaker 2: effect from the first of July. Do you worry that
22:37
Speaker 2: this won't be enough to lift people out of the
22:39
Speaker 2: sort of extreme financial stress that they're suffering.
22:45
Speaker 8: Well, that's why there'll be more than the average of
22:47
Speaker 8: thirty six dollars a week. I think that's really important.
22:50
Speaker 8: That cost of living help that will come from that
22:52
Speaker 8: tax cut for every taxpayer, right up and down the
22:55
Speaker 8: income scale. All thirteen point six million Australian taxpayers will
22:59
Speaker 8: get a tax cut, and eighty four percent of those
23:02
Speaker 8: taxpayers will get a bigger tax cut than they were
23:04
Speaker 8: going to get before under the old Stage three plan
23:08
Speaker 8: from our predecessors. But tax cuts are not the only
23:10
Speaker 8: cost of living help in the budget. There's more help
23:13
Speaker 8: on top of that, and that's because we recognize that
23:16
Speaker 8: people are doing it tough and really the centerpiece of
23:19
Speaker 8: this budget. It will be a responsible budget, but the
23:22
Speaker 8: centerpiece will be cost of living help at the same
23:25
Speaker 8: time as we invest in the future of our economy.
23:28
Speaker 2: Can you be a bit more specific tonight you're handing
23:30
Speaker 2: down the budget tomorrow. What is the centerpiece cost of
23:34
Speaker 2: living help that Australians who are struggling will receive tomorrow.
23:41
Speaker 8: People will see in the budget when we announce it
23:43
Speaker 8: tomorrow evening. But we know what the pressures are in
23:47
Speaker 8: our economy. This inflation, which has been a feature of
23:50
Speaker 8: our economy since before we were elected and continued after,
23:54
Speaker 8: is really the main thing that is putting people under
23:56
Speaker 8: such pressure. We know that, and that's why the main
24:01
Speaker 8: purpose of the budget tomorrow is to provide those tax
24:04
Speaker 8: cuts for every tax payer, to give additional cost of
24:07
Speaker 8: living relief. Because we recognize that people are under really
24:11
Speaker 8: quite extreme pressure, as you are right to outline, and
24:14
Speaker 8: we're going to do something about it.
24:16
Speaker 11: Well.
24:16
Speaker 2: On inflation, the Treasury has a more optimistic outlook than
24:20
Speaker 2: the RBA. The Treasury forecasting that inflation by the end
24:23
Speaker 2: of the year will be under three percent, around two
24:26
Speaker 2: point seventy five percent, while the RBA has it at
24:30
Speaker 2: three point eight percent. Of course, Treasury Secretary Stephen Kennedy
24:34
Speaker 2: sits on the RBA board, So how do you explain
24:38
Speaker 2: this discrepancy between the Treasury and the RBA forecasts on inflation.
24:44
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very easy to explain, Sharon. I'm glad you've
24:47
Speaker 8: given me the opportunity because our political opponents either don't
24:51
Speaker 8: understand this, which is troubling, or they're lying about it,
24:54
Speaker 8: which is even more troubling. That the main difference between
24:57
Speaker 8: the forecast from the Reserve Bank and the treasure is
25:00
Speaker 8: that the Treasury's forecasts take into consideration the policies in
25:04
Speaker 8: the budget. Now, we speak with the Reserve Bank Governor
25:07
Speaker 8: from time to time about our settings in the budget.
25:10
Speaker 8: We've been able to give her a briefing about what's
25:12
Speaker 8: in the budget. But because of the timing of the
25:15
Speaker 8: Reserve Bank's forecasts. They weren't able to include our policies
25:19
Speaker 8: in those forecasts that they released last week, and so
25:22
Speaker 8: the main difference is not necessarily a difference of opinion,
25:26
Speaker 8: but a difference of timing. And so because Governor Bulleck
25:30
Speaker 8: released hers before the budget and because ours will be
25:32
Speaker 8: released with the budget, it means it can take into
25:35
Speaker 8: consideration the spending restraint that we're showing, the way that
25:39
Speaker 8: we're designing our cost of living health our budget will
25:42
Speaker 8: be part of the solution to this inflation challenge, not
25:45
Speaker 8: part of the problem. The budget will put downward pressure
25:47
Speaker 8: on inflation, not upward pressure on inflation. And that's why
25:51
Speaker 8: the Treasury forecasts are different, because they can take all
25:54
Speaker 8: of that into consideration.
25:56
Speaker 2: So, just to clarify that, are you saying that the
25:58
Speaker 2: budget measures will bring down inflation by up to one percent?
26:05
Speaker 8: We're saying that the design of our cost of living policies,
26:08
Speaker 8: combined with our spending restraint, the fact that we have
26:12
Speaker 8: been banking such a big proportion of the upward revenue
26:16
Speaker 8: revisions in the near term in the budget, all of
26:20
Speaker 8: this combined the really responsible and restrained way we've gone
26:23
Speaker 8: about things means that we are putting downward pressure on
26:26
Speaker 8: inflation in the budget. The Treasury has been able to
26:28
Speaker 8: factor that in because it's got all of the effects
26:31
Speaker 8: of all of our policies, including our cost of living policies.
26:35
Speaker 8: The Reserve Bank timing of their forecast didn't allow for that,
26:39
Speaker 8: and that's the main reason for the difference.
26:41
Speaker 2: So if you're saying that the budget helps the fight
26:44
Speaker 2: against inflation, does the budget therefore make a rate rise
26:48
Speaker 2: this year less likely?
26:52
Speaker 8: Look, I focus on my job rather than the Reserve
26:54
Speaker 8: Bank's job. Obviously, they come to their own decisions about
26:57
Speaker 8: interest rate movements. They come to those decisions independently. I
27:01
Speaker 8: don't tell them how to do their job, and they
27:03
Speaker 8: don't tell me how to do mine, and that works
27:06
Speaker 8: just fine. I think my focus is on getting inflation
27:09
Speaker 8: down as soon as we can. We all want to
27:11
Speaker 8: see inflation moderate a further and faster. We've made really
27:14
Speaker 8: good progress together. Inflation is almost half what we inherited
27:18
Speaker 8: when we came to office. We're actually ahead of the
27:21
Speaker 8: inflation forecast that we had in the last budget update.
27:24
Speaker 8: So we've made some welcome and encouraging progress on inflation.
27:27
Speaker 8: But it's not mission accomplished because people are still hurting.
27:30
Speaker 8: That's why the budget will be so focused on the
27:33
Speaker 8: cost of living, and it's also why it won't be
27:35
Speaker 8: a slash and burn budget. Because people are under pressure
27:38
Speaker 8: and the economy soft, we can get on top of
27:40
Speaker 8: inflation without slashing and burning the budget, and you'll see
27:43
Speaker 8: that in what we release tomorrow.
27:47
Speaker 2: Treasury, you've indicated that you're going to give substantial energy
27:50
Speaker 2: bill relief intomorrow's budget, that that will be one area
27:53
Speaker 2: of cost of living relief.
27:55
Speaker 1: Of course, that is welcome.
27:57
Speaker 2: If you reduce the price of energy, there's a reduction
28:00
Speaker 2: in that component of the CPI, which is what you've
28:03
Speaker 2: been speaking about. But it also means that people will
28:06
Speaker 2: have more money in their pocket which they could spend
28:09
Speaker 2: in the economy and then could raise inflation.
28:13
Speaker 1: How do you balance that risk.
28:17
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, people have to wait and see
28:19
Speaker 8: what extra cost of living help is in the budget.
28:22
Speaker 8: But if you look back to the energy you build
28:24
Speaker 8: the relief that we provided last time in last budget.
28:27
Speaker 8: Instead of energy prices going up in the year to
28:30
Speaker 8: March by around fifteen percent, they went up by two percent,
28:33
Speaker 8: and so we made a difference and that was consistent
28:36
Speaker 8: with inflation moderating quite substantially, which I think is the
28:40
Speaker 8: main reason why I wouldn't agree with those who say
28:43
Speaker 8: that that kind of relief, you know, getting energy bills down,
28:47
Speaker 8: adds to broader inflationary pressures in our economy. What we've
28:50
Speaker 8: seen in the past is it actually puts downward pressure
28:53
Speaker 8: on inflation, not upward pressure on inflation, and without preempting
28:58
Speaker 8: what is or isn't in the bar. Tomorrow, I think
29:01
Speaker 8: people will see that what we've been able to do,
29:03
Speaker 8: and consistent with the Treasury advice, is put downward pressure
29:06
Speaker 8: on inflation with our cost of living package without adding
29:09
Speaker 8: to broader inflationary pressures in the economy. There's more than
29:13
Speaker 8: one way to provide cost of living help. If your
29:15
Speaker 8: mail checks to people, it's more likely to be inflationary.
29:18
Speaker 8: There are other ways to go about it, which is
29:20
Speaker 8: smarter and which make sure that we are part of
29:22
Speaker 8: the solution rather than part of the problem when it
29:24
Speaker 8: comes to inflation.
29:27
Speaker 2: Now, another initial that you write in your notes, this
29:31
Speaker 2: was reported on in the City Morning Herald today is
29:34
Speaker 2: sh for steady hand. This is a reminder to keep
29:38
Speaker 2: inflation in check. It's well known that every minister, particularly
29:42
Speaker 2: in a labor government, wants to spend in their policy area.
29:46
Speaker 2: Were you prepared to be unpopular with your colleagues to
29:49
Speaker 2: keep spending down to keep the budget contractionary.
29:56
Speaker 8: Obviously, we're prepared to take tough decisions. I don't take
29:58
Speaker 8: them on my own. I've got an ex beneture of
30:00
Speaker 8: view committee. I've got a Prime Minister who takes a
30:03
Speaker 8: very responsible and restrained approach to the budget, and I've
30:06
Speaker 8: got a wonderful colleague in Katie Gallagher, the Finance Minister,
30:09
Speaker 8: and we all work together. I think the whole government
30:11
Speaker 8: understands that we've got to get on top of this
30:14
Speaker 8: inflation challenge and that means being restrained, sequence targeted with
30:19
Speaker 8: our investments, and so we are able to do that
30:23
Speaker 8: in the budget that you will see tomorrow. I think
30:27
Speaker 8: there's always the case in budget so there are more
30:30
Speaker 8: good ideas than can be funded. Often you can only
30:34
Speaker 8: funder a small sliver of the good ideas that people
30:37
Speaker 8: put to you. I think that's well understood right across
30:39
Speaker 8: our team.
30:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes it a very difficult task as treasure being
30:44
Speaker 2: the no guy.
30:44
Speaker 1: I imagine.
30:45
Speaker 2: Look, one of the biggest pressures on your budget is.
30:47
Speaker 2: The NDIS, according to the fin Review, initial estimates said
30:51
Speaker 2: it would only cost around thirteen billion dollars. It's now
30:55
Speaker 2: on track to hit one hundred and twenty five billion
30:58
Speaker 2: in just a decade's time in twenty thirty four. If
31:01
Speaker 2: it does hit that, it would be three percent of GDP.
31:05
Speaker 2: Why not means test it like the IMF has suggested.
31:11
Speaker 8: Look, we intend for the NDIS to continue as a
31:15
Speaker 8: demand driven scheme, and our overriding objective here is to
31:20
Speaker 8: make sure the NDIS can deliver for the people it
31:22
Speaker 8: was designed to help. That's our primary motivation. In order
31:26
Speaker 8: to do that, we've got to make sure we're getting
31:27
Speaker 8: value for money. We've got to make sure that we
31:29
Speaker 8: can afford the growth in the system. Nobody's contemplating hacking
31:33
Speaker 8: the system back. We're just talking about managing the growth
31:36
Speaker 8: in the system. I really commend and pay tribute to
31:39
Speaker 8: Bill short And has done a mountain of work in
31:42
Speaker 8: this regard and across our cabinet. We're very conscious that
31:45
Speaker 8: the cost of the NDIS has been growing quickly, it
31:48
Speaker 8: will continue to grow quickly, but we need to make
31:51
Speaker 8: sure that we're getting value for money for all of
31:53
Speaker 8: those billions of dollars that we're investing to help people
31:56
Speaker 8: who need and deserve our assistance.
32:00
Speaker 11: Look.
32:00
Speaker 2: A centerpiece of the budget, also a centerpiece of the
32:03
Speaker 2: Albanese government's pre election pitch is the Future Made in
32:07
Speaker 2: Australia program. This involves investing in select companies, such as
32:12
Speaker 2: the billion dollars in the Quantum computing company. As you know,
32:16
Speaker 2: venture capital companies regularly invest in startups that fail or
32:22
Speaker 2: don't make money. How can the government outperform these professional
32:27
Speaker 2: investors and why risk a billion dollars of taxpayer funds
32:31
Speaker 2: in this way?
32:34
Speaker 8: Well, what you're seeing the budget Tomorrow's Sharry, is that
32:37
Speaker 8: they are a range of different leavers that we are
32:40
Speaker 8: proposing and funding to make the most of this vast
32:45
Speaker 8: industrial and economic opportunity which has been presented to us
32:48
Speaker 8: by the global shift to net zero. And so in
32:52
Speaker 8: order to grab those opportunities, there will be a whole
32:54
Speaker 8: range of policies that I'll announce tomorrow are very coherent,
32:57
Speaker 8: considered a targeted set of policies, whether it's the tax system,
33:02
Speaker 8: whether it's the kind of investments that you describe, whether
33:05
Speaker 8: it's making sure that we're attracting and deploying private investment
33:08
Speaker 8: and private capital much more effectively in our economy. You'll
33:13
Speaker 8: see that it is a much more sophisticated and coherent package.
33:17
Speaker 8: There are some elements of it which is about grants,
33:20
Speaker 8: but that's not the whole story. And what we're trying
33:22
Speaker 8: to do here is not replace private capital with public capital.
33:27
Speaker 8: We're trying to use the leavers available to us as
33:32
Speaker 8: a government to attract much more private capital to invest
33:35
Speaker 8: in opportunities, whether they are industrial or energy or resources,
33:39
Speaker 8: or relying on our skills base, to make sure that
33:41
Speaker 8: we can create a new generation of growth and prosperity
33:44
Speaker 8: in this country which recognizes that the world is changing,
33:47
Speaker 8: the pace of that change is accelerating, and we've got
33:50
Speaker 8: some pretty handy cards to play to make sure that
33:54
Speaker 8: our people are beneficiaries of that change rather than victims
33:57
Speaker 8: of it.
33:59
Speaker 2: Look hearkening back to a treasurer before you, when you
34:03
Speaker 2: encourage parents to have more children, why are you sending
34:07
Speaker 2: this message to Australians.
34:10
Speaker 8: I'm really pleased you asked me about that cherry. I mean,
34:12
Speaker 8: I think it's one of those occasions you'd be familiar
34:14
Speaker 8: to it with your long experience in journalism. Sometimes the
34:17
Speaker 8: headline doesn't really capture the conversation.
34:21
Speaker 7: You know.
34:21
Speaker 8: I was asked whether, in the context of an aging population,
34:24
Speaker 8: would be better if birth rates were a bit higher.
34:26
Speaker 8: I gave the same answer that treasurers since Peter Costello
34:30
Speaker 8: have been giving. It's been uncontroversial for a couple of
34:32
Speaker 8: decades now to make that point. But more importantly than that,
34:36
Speaker 8: I said, it costs a lot to have kids, and
34:37
Speaker 8: people are making their own choices, and I understand those choices.
34:41
Speaker 8: Not for one second do I want to tell people
34:43
Speaker 8: what to do with their own lives, and especially their
34:46
Speaker 8: own family lives. That's not how I roll, That's not
34:49
Speaker 8: how I go about this job. My job is to
34:51
Speaker 8: make sure that people can make choices if they want to,
34:54
Speaker 8: and that's why I'm investing billions of dollars in early
34:57
Speaker 8: childhood education, expanding paid parenta leave, paying the superannuation guarantee
35:02
Speaker 8: on paid parental leave, so that people have more choices
35:05
Speaker 8: available to them in the context of raising kids being
35:09
Speaker 8: so expensive. I understand that, and so I'm not telling
35:12
Speaker 8: anyone what to do. I'm not giving anybody any free
35:15
Speaker 8: advice about how they manage their own families and make
35:18
Speaker 8: their own decisions. I'm simply making the point that raising
35:22
Speaker 8: kids is expensive and we want to make it easier.
35:24
Speaker 8: If that's what people want.
35:25
Speaker 2: To do, treasure can we expect another surplus tomorrow night?
35:31
Speaker 8: I have to wait and see, Shari. We've certainly been
35:33
Speaker 8: shooting for that, as you know, not as an end
35:35
Speaker 8: in itself, but because getting the budget in much better
35:39
Speaker 8: nick helps us fund our other priorities. And as I've
35:41
Speaker 8: said a couple of times tonight, our big priorities in
35:44
Speaker 8: the budget are responsible budget, help with cost of living,
35:47
Speaker 8: and invest in the future, and getting the budget in
35:50
Speaker 8: much better Nick is part of that. Yeah.
35:52
Speaker 2: Look, you reportedly went for a run at the ripe
35:55
Speaker 2: hour of three forty six am yesterday, three forty six
35:59
Speaker 2: as Kevin Ryder's Prime minister famously only slept for three
36:03
Speaker 2: hours a night. How many hours are you managing at
36:06
Speaker 2: the moment.
36:09
Speaker 8: Not a lot of sleep at the moment, Sharry. But
36:12
Speaker 8: I don't expect people to get the violins out about that.
36:15
Speaker 8: Around budget time, It's not unusual for treasurers to only
36:18
Speaker 8: sleep a little bit, and I figure if I wake
36:21
Speaker 8: up earlier, I might as well make the most of it,
36:22
Speaker 8: So I go for a very slow trundle to It's
36:27
Speaker 8: a good way I think to clear the head before
36:29
Speaker 8: a big day.
36:30
Speaker 2: All right, Treasure, I appreciate your time this evening, as
36:33
Speaker 2: you say, before your big day tomorrow.
36:34
Speaker 8: Thank you so much, Thanks so much, Cherry, all the best,
36:39
Speaker 8: all right.
36:39
Speaker 2: Coming up, the fallout from Australia's latest betrayal of Israel
36:43
Speaker 2: after voting in favor of Palestine becoming a member of
36:47
Speaker 2: the un Natasha Horstaff will join me after the break.
36:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. We'll pro Palestinian protest rupted
37:00
Speaker 2: during Duke University's commencement ceremony, with dozens of students walking
37:05
Speaker 2: out during guest speaker Jerry Seinfeld's speech.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
37:21
Speaker 2: Now, Jerry Seinfeld is Jewish and he is a supporter
37:25
Speaker 2: of Israel, but none of this was mentioned during his address.
37:28
Speaker 2: So what were they doing at a Jewish famous comedian.
37:33
Speaker 1: Outrageous.
37:34
Speaker 2: Well, Joining me now to discuss the rise of antisemitism
37:38
Speaker 2: is barrister and UK Lawyers for Israel director Natasha Haustoff. Natasha,
37:43
Speaker 2: great to see you in Australia.
37:45
Speaker 1: Welcome to the country. It's wonderful to be him in person.
37:47
Speaker 1: Thank you. Now, this latest clip with Jerry Seinfield at Duke.
37:50
Speaker 2: This is just a reflection of the anti Semitism that
37:53
Speaker 2: we've seen right across university campuses here in Australia, in London,
38:00
Speaker 2: in the US.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this has always been there or what's
38:04
Speaker 1: driving this? Well, unfortunately, I think it's a long standing.
38:08
Speaker 11: It's an instances like this that we see the mask
38:10
Speaker 11: of anti Semitism, if it were ever applied properly slip.
38:15
Speaker 11: These protests that manifest themselves as anti Israel are in
38:19
Speaker 11: fact targeting Jewish students on campus and public individuals that
38:24
Speaker 11: are recognizably Jewish. So this modern form of anti Semitism,
38:28
Speaker 11: which is supposedly acceptable, this due hate in the form
38:31
Speaker 11: of anti Israel sentiment that needs to be called out for.
38:35
Speaker 7: What it is.
38:36
Speaker 2: Now, we've just been speaking about the United Nations vote
38:40
Speaker 2: on Friday, New York time Saturday Australia time, where you know,
38:46
Speaker 2: Australia supported the UN vote, many other countries abstained, you know,
38:51
Speaker 2: not voting.
38:52
Speaker 3: No.
38:54
Speaker 2: What do you think you know I've said this that
38:56
Speaker 2: this is giving support to terrorism. You know, this vote
39:00
Speaker 2: wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for October seven.
39:03
Speaker 1: We haven't seen any willingness by any.
39:06
Speaker 2: Of the Palestinian leadership, whether it's Hamas in Gaza or
39:09
Speaker 2: the Palestinian authority in the West Bank, to actually put
39:13
Speaker 2: forward or come to the table with plans for peace
39:16
Speaker 2: or concessions on Israel's right to exist.
39:19
Speaker 1: Yet the UN has tried to move this resolution.
39:23
Speaker 11: I mean extraordinary that that should be a concession the
39:25
Speaker 11: acceptance of Israel continuing to exist. It's important, I think,
39:29
Speaker 11: to be clear that Hamas has been very vocal about
39:33
Speaker 11: using the prospect of a two state solution as a
39:35
Speaker 11: platform to continue it's a nihilistic agenda against Israel, and
39:40
Speaker 11: the so called moderates in the West Bank have been
39:42
Speaker 11: funding the terror salaries for terrorists, including Harmas terrorists and
39:47
Speaker 11: others that cross the border on the seventh of October.
39:49
Speaker 11: So the notion that there is any partner there for
39:52
Speaker 11: peaceful negotiations towards a two state solution has of course
39:57
Speaker 11: been utterly destroyed by what we saw seven months ago.
40:02
Speaker 11: What's particularly concerning about the position that Australia has taken
40:05
Speaker 11: now is that it is out of keeping with a
40:08
Speaker 11: consistent policy that a negotiated solution is the only proper
40:14
Speaker 11: way forward and we've seen consistent steps against unilateral moves,
40:18
Speaker 11: even reversing the recognition of Jerusalem Israel's capital, up until
40:23
Speaker 11: this point, where unilaterally voting for this resolution in the
40:28
Speaker 11: General Assembly. We should be clear that this is a
40:31
Speaker 11: political resolution. It doesn't have legal effect. Nonetheless, it sends
40:35
Speaker 11: a particularly powerful message and one that isn't in sync
40:38
Speaker 11: with so many of Australia's allies, the UK included, who
40:43
Speaker 11: abstained on this, the US who voted against it. So
40:46
Speaker 11: that is a remarkable change and very concerning, as you
40:50
Speaker 11: said wonderfully in the opening, that one that ultimately rewards
40:56
Speaker 11: the terrorism, brutality and the atrocities that we saw on
40:58
Speaker 11: the seventh of October.
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Speaker 2: We are seeing some international countries accuse Israel of war
41:05
Speaker 2: crimes and genocide. Many figures of the left join in
41:09
Speaker 2: these accusations. As an international lawyer, can you tell us
41:14
Speaker 2: what legal standing.
41:15
Speaker 1: They have to make these claims?
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Speaker 11: Well, the claims are baseless in terms of legal claims.
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Speaker 11: I would call them political claims, and they certainly fed
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Speaker 11: into the UN Security General Assembly resolution that we saw,
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Speaker 11: They fed into Security Council resolutions that have been passed.
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Speaker 11: It's important to acknowledge that these also aren't legally binding.
41:37
Speaker 11: Only those passed on the Chapter seven of the Charter
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Speaker 11: have legal teeth. But I think what we're seeing is
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Speaker 11: a continuation of these blood libels. I mean, there's no
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Speaker 11: other word for it, these extraordinary accusations that accuse the
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Speaker 11: victims of genocide, the victims being Israelis on the seventh
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Speaker 11: of October, of perpetrating the crimes that were committed against them,
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Speaker 11: so far as war.
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Speaker 10: Crimes are concerned.
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Speaker 11: While we have seen reports both of the United Kingdom
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Speaker 11: government also of the United States government that have looked
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Speaker 11: into allegations of breaches of international humanitarian law by Israel
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Speaker 11: and that have stated in clear terms that there is
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Speaker 11: an evidence to support them. By all accounts, the conduct
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Speaker 11: that Israel has displayed in this conflict, as in previous
42:24
Speaker 11: rounds of wars in Gaza, has been beyond what Western
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Speaker 11: allies could have achieved in similar circumstances, and the.
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Speaker 2: Death toll, the civilian death toll much lower even by
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Speaker 2: proportion of the population.
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Speaker 11: Well, the death toll is a tricky one to interrogate
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Speaker 11: because the only figures that are being repeated consistently by
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Speaker 11: the international media come from the harmask controlled Ministry of Health.
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Speaker 1: I doubt that international journalists would be.
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Speaker 11: Repeating figures from ISIS or Arqaida with the forcefulness that
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Speaker 11: they are parroting these figures. They have not only been
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Speaker 11: shown to have been inflated and falsified in various reports
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Speaker 11: from academics that have interrogated the data. Even the United
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Speaker 11: Nations has now walked back on some of the claims
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Speaker 11: that has made with respect to the numbers of women
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Speaker 11: and children. But critically, these numbers that her musta putting
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Speaker 11: out do not tell us anything about the civilian to
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Speaker 11: combatant casualty ratio. And you're absolutely right that the ratio
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Speaker 11: that has been touted of one to one in this
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Speaker 11: conflict is utterly unparalleled and testament to the measures that
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Speaker 11: the IDF take to prevent civilian casualties.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Natasha, I'm out of time. Wonderful to have
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Speaker 1: you in Australia. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 11: It's wonderful to be here.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now, after the breaker grim outlook for the pm is
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Speaker 2: new polling data shows he's on track to lose more
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Speaker 2: than a quarter of voters.
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Speaker 1: At the next selection. I'll break that down with my
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Speaker 1: panel next.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our political panel Farmer, media
43:53
Speaker 2: advisor to Scott Morrison, Andrew Caswell and former Queens Hand
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Speaker 2: Labor Secretary Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 10: Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the poll that your company, GXOS Strategies
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Speaker 2: has done. It's shown that Anthony Albanize is on track
44:07
Speaker 2: to lose more than a quarter of his original voters
44:10
Speaker 2: at the next federal election. Took us through it.
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Speaker 8: Well, Charo.
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Speaker 12: Most of the polls are showing not much movement in
44:19
Speaker 12: the primary votes since the last election, so we wanted
44:20
Speaker 12: to drill deeper. We want to understand what was really
44:23
Speaker 12: happening with the voters out there in Australia. And what
44:25
Speaker 12: we found was over one in four people who have
44:27
Speaker 12: actually changed their mind away from Albanize in just two
44:29
Speaker 12: short years. And then we went further to understand why,
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Speaker 12: and we asked them what they thought of Albanie as
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Speaker 12: the leader and they said, to you, his weak, useless
44:38
Speaker 12: and a liar. That's what two thousand Australian said of
44:40
Speaker 12: the Prime minister. Three and four also said he was
44:43
Speaker 12: doing nothing about the cost of living and so the
44:46
Speaker 12: critical number one issue for voters. He's not doing enough
44:48
Speaker 12: on and they trust him to be able to do
44:50
Speaker 12: the job either, and the warring sign for Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 12: Seventy nine percent of respondents said that they didn't think
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Speaker 12: tomorrow Night's budget would do anything to ease their cost
44:57
Speaker 12: of living pressures. So we're in a crisis right now
45:00
Speaker 12: cost of living, with an untrusted, unliked prime Minister as
45:04
Speaker 12: Labour's main vehicle for sending their message out there, and
45:07
Speaker 12: voters who just don't think Labour's doing enough on the
45:09
Speaker 12: number one issue.
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Speaker 8: That's what our poling found.
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Speaker 2: Shari Andrew Carswell I just had the Treasurer on my show.
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Speaker 2: He said that he is planning strong cost of living
45:19
Speaker 2: relief in tomorrow's budget. Obviously, this is going to be
45:22
Speaker 2: a delicate tightrope to make sure that the relief is
45:25
Speaker 2: targeted enough that it won't push up inflation.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that will be a risk?
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Speaker 6: Well, it's a huge gamble, Sharie. And what we heard
45:36
Speaker 6: from the Treasurer tonight is that he is taking a
45:40
Speaker 6: big risk here by lowering the expectations on inflation well
45:45
Speaker 6: below what the RBA will say. And this is a
45:47
Speaker 6: risk for two reasons. The treasure assumes that the cost
45:52
Speaker 6: of living measures in his budget tomorrow will put downward
45:55
Speaker 6: pressure on inflation, and particularly headline inflation, which is his
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Speaker 6: preferred measure, and that will lead to a lowering of
46:03
Speaker 6: interest rates. But the problem is when the RBA gathers
46:05
Speaker 6: to consider monetary policy and the setting of interest rates,
46:08
Speaker 6: it doesn't really look at headline inflation. It looks at
46:11
Speaker 6: trim demean inflation, which is inflation stripping out all those
46:15
Speaker 6: short term volatile measures that impact cost of living up
46:18
Speaker 6: or down. What do you think is in his budget
46:20
Speaker 6: tomorrow that impacts that are volatile, short term measures that
46:25
Speaker 6: impact on cost.
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Speaker 8: Of living, his entire cost of living package.
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Speaker 6: So he says it's going to be putting downward pressure
46:31
Speaker 6: on inflation, and the RBA says, well, we're not even
46:34
Speaker 6: going to consider that in now calculations. And the second
46:37
Speaker 6: thing is is this core belief that these measures will
46:40
Speaker 6: actually put downward pressure on inflation. And you have a
46:44
Speaker 6: look at whether it's it's a relief for renters or
46:49
Speaker 6: it's relief for those who have excessive energy bills. To
46:53
Speaker 6: make that assumption is to believe that the people getting
46:56
Speaker 6: this relief will suddenly not spend the money that's been
47:00
Speaker 6: freed up in their budget on other areas of the economy,
47:02
Speaker 6: they won't save that money.
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Speaker 8: That is the assumption here.
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Speaker 6: That is a huge assumption to make in the middle
47:08
Speaker 6: of a cost of living crisis when their bills to
47:10
Speaker 6: be paid. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I asked him about that when it came to
47:13
Speaker 2: the energy relief that you know it will bring down
47:17
Speaker 2: one component of the CPI. But is he worried that
47:20
Speaker 2: people are going to spend that money elsewhere and thus
47:23
Speaker 2: push up inflation. He was confident that wouldn't happen. What
47:26
Speaker 2: do you think, Cameron Milner?
47:30
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's a huge risk. I think it's
47:31
Speaker 12: a huge risk and only time will tell. But if
47:34
Speaker 12: the RBA raises rates, labor is gone.
47:36
Speaker 8: If the RBA goes up, labor's out.
47:39
Speaker 2: You think that people will directly blame the government if
47:45
Speaker 2: the rate's absolutely on their watch.
47:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Charry, Yeah, what do you think, Andrew Carswell?
47:50
Speaker 2: I mean the first interest rate rise was when you
47:54
Speaker 2: were in government, was when Scott Morrison was Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 6: I think the issue that the Australain people have with
48:01
Speaker 6: this current government is the issue of competency. They've proven
48:04
Speaker 6: to be in combonent on so many levels, but the
48:05
Speaker 6: economy has been the one thing that they've managed to
48:08
Speaker 6: do okay on and that's all credit to Jim Charmers
48:11
Speaker 6: on that. So if they failed that test of competency
48:13
Speaker 6: on the economy, gone, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Cameron very quickly.
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Speaker 2: You know, we are seeing in every other policy area
48:21
Speaker 2: just these radical proposals. Charmers is the only moderate figure
48:25
Speaker 2: You've got ten seconds.
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Speaker 12: Oh look, and thank goodness we've got Jim Chalmers there
48:30
Speaker 12: because the left or in control of so much other
48:33
Speaker 12: agendas with his labor Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which we've been absolutely smashing them on, night after night.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Carswell, Cameron Milne, I'm so sorry it was so
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Speaker 2: quick tonight.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be back tomorrow. It's a budget.
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Speaker 1: See you Wednesday night. Here's Paul Murray