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The Valley Recap: Brotherhood is different than Sisterhood · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
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  Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
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  Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
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  Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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  Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable
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  Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: rain drops on today's episode of Reality with the King.
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  Speaker 1: Can y'all just hear the excitement in my voice? That's
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  Speaker 1: because I am doing this episode with my GIRLA honey.
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  Speaker 1: I love her so much. She also has an amazing
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  Speaker 1: podcast called This Sarah Fraser Show.
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  Speaker 2: So why not get into it with my girl? Sarah
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  Speaker 2: Frasier Carlos, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: If we could only hit record on all the conversations
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  Speaker 4: that are not on the record, Honey, I.
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  Speaker 2: Do not need to get into any more trouble. I listen.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we talked about this earlier too, Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: I sometimes forget that I have listeners, right because I
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  Speaker 1: just talk, I give my opinion and the next thing
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  Speaker 1: I know, I get a phone call or email or
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  Speaker 1: DM and I'm like, what are you talking about that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't say it like that.
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  Speaker 1: But Sarah, before we get into this recent episode of
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  Speaker 1: The Valley, have you ever had a run in with
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  Speaker 1: a talent on any show? Because your podcast you cover
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  Speaker 1: a multitude of shows. Yes, But have you ever said
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  Speaker 1: something that someone confronted you about and you're like, I
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  Speaker 1: said that and you like forgot about it?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, our friend Ashley Darby from Real Housewaves to Potomac, oh,
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  Speaker 4: live on the stage at Monique Samuel's live podcast show
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  Speaker 4: at City Winery in DC, like four years ago. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I was confronted. Yes, like you were saying you were happened.
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  Speaker 4: You were saying you know how to navigate, honey. I
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  Speaker 4: was a ball of sweat. I didn't know what to say.
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  Speaker 4: She was very upset because I had had Candace on
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  Speaker 4: my podcast and this is remember when they were really feuding,
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  Speaker 4: and remember when Candace sent out those tweets. I think
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  Speaker 4: Ashley was like giving birth the day she gave birth,
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  Speaker 4: and it was something like she's a concubine and nothing
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  Speaker 4: but a wench and like all these things. Remember, this
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  Speaker 4: is like going back, I remember all of that. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: I had Candace on, we read the tweets, we talked
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  Speaker 4: about it, and I don't know, I think I kind
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  Speaker 4: of laughed at some of them, like I thought they
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  Speaker 4: were comedic. And Ashley was not happy. She did not
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  Speaker 4: like the way that the interview was handled. She felt
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  Speaker 4: like we kind of made fun of her through on
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  Speaker 4: the Boss when she had been on My show, done
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  Speaker 4: my show, she and Michael they did one of my
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  Speaker 4: first live podcast episodes ever at DC Improv. So she
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  Speaker 4: was very upset with the way that it was handled. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she that was so. I hadn't that was the first
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  Speaker 4: time I've ever been confronted by talent, and so I
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  Speaker 4: just said to her. I was like, I get it
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  Speaker 4: fair enough. I mean, I I but I'm with you.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't remember what the hell we said, Like she
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  Speaker 4: knew it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna thinking of myself, what what did we laugh at?
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember a damn you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember yesterday and then these everybody remembers.
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  Speaker 3: She brought out her phone. She brought it up to
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  Speaker 3: the twenty minute mark.
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  Speaker 2: She was I know she Sarah, no way, Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kidding. She didn't Oh, my girl.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Now she didn't I get it, but we're really cool.
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  Speaker 4: Since then, she's done my show again.
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  Speaker 3: But that was the That was when I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh damn, like they listen. Yeah, she wasn't happy.
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I hope that nobody from The Valley is.
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  Speaker 1: Going to confront us about this most recent episode. I
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  Speaker 1: am now a new fan of this show. It's something
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  Speaker 1: that my brain drops. Sarah has said, like, Carlos, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta watch The Valley, you gotta talk about it. It's
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  Speaker 1: the best Sean Bravo. I'm like, no, to me, that's
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  Speaker 1: married to medicine. That's my favorite Sean Bravo. But The
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  Speaker 1: Valley is really good. I'm gonna tell you why. It's
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  Speaker 1: so real and raw and gritty. It's not about like
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  Speaker 1: this affluent world. It's not about the diamonds and you
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  Speaker 1: know how much money you spend on your home. What
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  Speaker 1: I love about this show, Sarah, is it's real life
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  Speaker 1: people who are in their thirties somewhere in their forties,
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  Speaker 1: and they have grown up in Los Angeles, being on
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  Speaker 1: the West Hollywood, and they decided to settle down in
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  Speaker 1: the suburban area of Los Angeles, which is called the Valley.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Sherman Oaks and Studio City, all those things,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that we get to see real
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  Speaker 1: life situations and real conversations.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in love of the Valley. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about this most recent episode, season two, so
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  Speaker 1: let's just get right into it because this cast is on.
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  Speaker 2: Fire and I need the breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: Of Sarah Fresh to explain to me what is going Ah, So.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I like that?
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  Speaker 4: You said you know what else I like about this
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  Speaker 4: Valley show? And I'm with you. It took people kept
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  Speaker 4: saying that to me. Watch it season one, I popped in,
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  Speaker 4: I popped out. This season is amazing, like okay, but
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  Speaker 4: the episode of confronting Jack's like the cocaine going to
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  Speaker 4: rehab episode was un believable at that moment, that fight
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  Speaker 4: between the two of them, like it was so real.
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  Speaker 4: He's the only one that's a little overproduced, I think
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  Speaker 4: on the show by him, like he just does it right.
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  Speaker 2: By his own design.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, look, last night's episode was great. They
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  Speaker 4: were on their Santa Barbara wine trip. You know, Jax
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  Speaker 4: is away at Okay. I keep saying it's a rehab,
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  Speaker 4: but it's really not. It's like this wellness center, right,
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  Speaker 4: But then he's come out and basically admitted that he
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  Speaker 4: does have a cocaine addiction. He's newly sober, he's been
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  Speaker 4: sober at various points in his life, and then he
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  Speaker 4: falls off the wagon, does coke again, drinks Okay, So
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  Speaker 4: of course Jax is going to insert himself on this
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  Speaker 4: trip and with this wellness center that he's at here
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  Speaker 4: in California. In California, it's like illegal to take away
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  Speaker 4: your phone even though you're in rehab.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, it's a legal situation. So if you take
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  Speaker 1: if you enter rehab in the state of California, legally
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  Speaker 1: they're not allowed to take away your phone.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're allowed to have certain like access to X
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  Speaker 4: amount of time, you know what I mean. So late,
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  Speaker 4: So with him, he is doing six hours, seven hours
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  Speaker 4: a day of therapy, right of intense therapy, and then
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  Speaker 4: he gets his phone for thirty minutes. So throughout the
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  Speaker 4: episode we're seeing him blow up Britney's phone. Basically, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he wants her to answer the phone, he wants her
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  Speaker 4: to pick up he wants her to offer him some
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  Speaker 4: sort of emotional support, and she's like, are you getting
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  Speaker 4: like what you've been? You're You've made me an emotional wreck.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're supposed to be away. I'm supposed to have
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  Speaker 4: a thirty day break from you. They've given you your phone,
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  Speaker 4: and now you're blowing up the phone NonStop. And of
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  Speaker 4: course Jesse is the one that let him know that
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  Speaker 4: they were going on this Santa Barbara trip, so Jacks
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  Speaker 4: is aware that they're away, they're supposed to be having
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  Speaker 4: a great time, and here he is like being Jack's.
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  Speaker 1: No And it was so disturbing, honestly, like to have
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  Speaker 1: Brittany read the text messages and he's calling her disgusting,
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  Speaker 1: you put me in prison and pretty much blame her.
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  Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where it's like when
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  Speaker 1: you are in rehab or in this case, a wellness center,
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  Speaker 1: to get well, you have to take accountability, Like where
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  Speaker 1: is Teddy mellacamp as the accountability coach when you need her?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like Jack's who I have so much
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  Speaker 1: empathy for to admit on camera to the world that
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  Speaker 1: you do have a cocaine addiction, right, I give him
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  Speaker 1: so much grace for his bravery and his courage to
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  Speaker 1: reveal that. But in that space and in that his space,
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  Speaker 1: it's all about taking accountability. And I'm not saying Brittany
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  Speaker 1: is the most perfect person in the world, but what
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  Speaker 1: I am saying is she is not.
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  Speaker 2: To blame for the drug addiction.
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  Speaker 1: And to call the wellness center prison is like, no, shade, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you supposedly elected to do this yourself.
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  Speaker 2: No one forced you to deal it.
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  Speaker 1: From my understanding watching the show, so to blame her
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  Speaker 1: for all of those things, and I can't see my
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  Speaker 1: child because of you, you're my son, whatever, But I
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  Speaker 1: felt bad for Brittany that she had to be.
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  Speaker 2: Be at fault for his own actions.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's such a great point, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that is the whole journey of sobriety, especially if you're
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  Speaker 4: in a twelve step program, is it's all about your
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  Speaker 4: own accountability. You know, you're the one in charge of
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  Speaker 4: your actions, your happiness, how you treat others, how you
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  Speaker 4: make amends, like the whole thing. I mean, there just
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  Speaker 4: doesn't seem now. Again, at this point, he's only been
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  Speaker 4: in the rehab whatever a few days something like that,
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  Speaker 4: a week, but there doesn't seem to be any accountability whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't and and listen.
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  Speaker 1: I think the thing with Jesse, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I had my podcast last week.
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  Speaker 4: Oh oh, oh my god, Okay tell me everything. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I can go listen, but amazing I love him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean rain drops.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to my exclusive interview with Jesse
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  Speaker 1: Lally from The Valley, it's in last week's episode last Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: so make sure you listen to it. It's also my
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  Speaker 1: YouTube channel. He took so much accountability for what is honey, Honey,
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  Speaker 1: you have to listen to it, to the point where
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent of my audience, at least on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: the comments were so positive about like, while he's grown up,
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  Speaker 1: we see him changing. So I'm not gonna spoil it
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  Speaker 1: for you, but in this episode, when it came to
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  Speaker 1: Jesse telling Jacks that they were going on this trip
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  Speaker 1: and Jack's inserting himself, it is one of those things
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  Speaker 1: I feel like and I would love to get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this, Sarah. Brotherhood is very different than sisterhood, obviously, right,
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  Speaker 1: so when guys converse, unfortunately, there is oftentimes a sensitivity
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  Speaker 1: chip that is missing, and I think Jesse just did
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  Speaker 1: not have the wherewithal to understand that when you're telling
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  Speaker 1: somebody in rehab about a trip, immediately fomo fear of
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  Speaker 1: missing out is going to be on the horizon for
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  Speaker 1: that person because in jackson defense, he's isolated, he's by himself,
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  Speaker 1: and he has to do seven hours of therapy.
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  Speaker 2: So to note that your friends, your.
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  Speaker 1: Castmate, and your baby mama, your wife Brittany is having
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  Speaker 1: fun and you're not there, it does something to your
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  Speaker 1: mental capacity to deal with it. And Brittany, to me,
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  Speaker 1: had every right to be upset about it because, on
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  Speaker 1: one hand, because of that the text came, she can't
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  Speaker 1: enjoy herself as Santa Barbara, but also she now has
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  Speaker 1: to feel guilty for enjoying her life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you absolutely nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: Jesse's all about that bro chat that they all have
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  Speaker 4: going on that he thinks is so secretive, which is not.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean And also, okay, I have to
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  Speaker 3: listen to your interview because Jesse just seems really messy.
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  Speaker 2: He does. He just he's a messy. He's messy boots, but.
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  Speaker 3: No messy boots.
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  Speaker 4: I think messy boots is such a great I'm like, see,
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  Speaker 4: I don't even give him the grace that he like
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  Speaker 4: accidentally told Jack's. I think he wanted Jack to know
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  Speaker 4: exactly what I feel like he knew he did that
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  Speaker 4: on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Oh but tell me why.
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  Speaker 3: I did not take it as so much of a.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I didn't think Jesse seemed that contrite
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  Speaker 4: about it. He was just like, oh, yeah, sorry, I
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  Speaker 4: like I already told like Jacks. I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: come on, you know how, Like, why aren't you providing
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  Speaker 4: him any information? Again, I'm still stuck on the fact
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  Speaker 4: that California allows somebody in a wellness mental rehab to
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  Speaker 4: be accessing their phone at like for any amount of time.
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  Speaker 4: But anyhow, why why are you sending out this much
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  Speaker 4: communication with Jack's. I thought it was messy and more intentional.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't seem at all apologetic. Really to Brittany when
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  Speaker 4: she was upset, it was kind of like, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a theory that I have.
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  Speaker 2: You want to hear it?
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  Speaker 3: Tell me, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: So when you are a reality star, so listen, rain
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  Speaker 1: jobs and giving y'all some some tea, not tease, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna say tea. I'm giving you guys some insight
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  Speaker 1: on how it works. Okay, when you are reality star,
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  Speaker 1: you get paid per episode, right, So you don't get
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  Speaker 1: a you don't get a one time fee, a salary,
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  Speaker 1: and regardless if you show up to and have ten
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  Speaker 1: episodes or five, you get this one salary.
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  Speaker 2: You get paid per episode.
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  Speaker 1: With Jack's being in this wellness place that is sort
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  Speaker 1: of like a rehab, he's missing out on money because
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  Speaker 1: he's not being in the episode because he's not physically there.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a theory that I have because Jacks
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  Speaker 1: and Jesse are bros and they are in the brochat.
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  Speaker 1: In order for Jacks to be in these episodes and
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  Speaker 1: get paid, why not send Brittany a skating text that
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  Speaker 1: you know is going to get read on camera. That
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  Speaker 1: keeps you alive and you get your episodic fee. Not
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  Speaker 1: only that us get into the video that he made
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  Speaker 1: big in rehab. Jacks is a reality TV guru. He
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  Speaker 1: understands how this works. Jacks knew sitting that video you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna play it like you're going to play it and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be part of the conversation. So I
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  Speaker 1: think there could be something to orchestrating Jack's being alive
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  Speaker 1: in these episodes. So that he can get paid because
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  Speaker 1: he's not in Santa Barbara, which means what you're not
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  Speaker 1: you're definitely missing out on three episodes of this cast trip.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, with your inside knowledge, do you think there's any
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  Speaker 4: way because Jackson is the one that really orchestrated the valley?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do you think there that's so interesting? I
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  Speaker 4: mean because I guess he wouldn't be given a guarantee, right.
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  Speaker 3: There wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: No one's given a guarantee.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so it'd still be episodic. He would only get
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  Speaker 4: paid by the episode that he was in. Then I
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  Speaker 4: feel like that was completely orchestrated and helped out by Jesse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, when you are a reality star, you
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  Speaker 1: get things called a minimum guarantee. Like let's say your
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  Speaker 1: show normally gets like ten episodes, and contractually you can say, well,
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  Speaker 1: give me a minimum guarantee of like five, So like
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  Speaker 1: there's ways to work that into your contract if you
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  Speaker 1: have a good lawyer. But who knows if that's the case.
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  Speaker 1: It's a brand new show. This is season two, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it's been on for ten seasons to
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  Speaker 1: where you kind of know, like we need you on
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  Speaker 1: the show, and this show is going to have like
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  Speaker 1: twenty five episodes like a Housewives, right, So I think
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  Speaker 1: with Jacks, I think some of it is fomo. I
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  Speaker 1: think the other part is listen, these people are relying
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  Speaker 1: on their episodic fee and I think with Jacks, what
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  Speaker 1: I saw, yes, was a man who was frustrated, but
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  Speaker 1: all soul saw a man who understands that to your point,
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  Speaker 1: this is my show in terms of how he feels
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  Speaker 1: right because he orchestrated everything and he feels like, I
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  Speaker 1: need to be alive in these episodes in order for
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  Speaker 1: me to get paid. And what better way for your
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  Speaker 1: messy bro Jesse, who I love to find a way
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  Speaker 1: to insert you in the store readline.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, which in a way, I was kind of
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: happy because I'm gonna be honest that race car situation,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: like I thought they were actually going to like a
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: NASCAR thing, and then when they started racing these stupid cars, like.
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  Speaker 3: What do we are? Nine years old?
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  Speaker 1: Were you?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Are you really doing this?
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  Speaker 4: They're all drusged up to go to a dirt racetrack
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  Speaker 4: with some stupid battery operated remote control cars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what is this Chucky Cheese. Where it took
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  Speaker 2: Erica jabar.
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  Speaker 3: Are burnt, I would have been so pissed. Now I'm sorry, Like.
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  Speaker 4: When you have a kid and you're going there, fine,
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  Speaker 4: that's one thing, but as an adult getaway wine trip,
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  Speaker 4: and we've organized these stupid race cars via remote.
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  Speaker 3: One of them flinched at that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, but what did you think about
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  Speaker 1: Jack's video.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: People on social media who did not care to see it.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, I don't care to see you all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, give us this sort of like apology video
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  Speaker 1: after we saw the scathing text you sent Brittany. We
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see this, we don't believe you, which
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  Speaker 1: I was sort of like, I'll tell you my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear yours.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, guys, it's easy to say how
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  Speaker 1: he should feel, what he should do in this wellness center.
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is the acknowledgement
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  Speaker 1: that he's struggling through an addiction.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, there just isn't.
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  Speaker 1: A right or wrong way of handling your emotions. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's wrong to not take accountability, but I do think
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  Speaker 1: when you're trying your best to find the words. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think there should be a little bit of grace when
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it comes to his experience dealing with himself. Don't blame Brittany,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that is wrong, But when you're talking about yourself and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: your actions and how you're feeling, I think like, all right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: let's see what he has to say. But what did
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you think? Did you think it was good to see it?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Did you like seeing it?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Or look?
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I am a sucker for any apology video, any sort
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: of hard to hart mote.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: And I know a lot of times audiences, viewers do
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: not they don't buy it, they don't believe it, they
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: don't think people are sincere.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you, and I think with.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Jax right, there's there's a reason it's gotten to this
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: point clearly of him being at this wellness center.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: You know, he admits he's like a control freak.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: He needs all this reassurance from Britney all the time,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: constantly in his life, even though he's out hooking up
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: with having sex with all these other people.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm I'm with you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I found that moment to be
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: sincere for Jacks. Yeah, you know, for him do I
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: think it was the most like the deepest like confession
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: in owning your ish video of all time?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: No, but I thought for him it was. I thought
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: it was better to say, yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The show can't continue without Jax? Because it's one of
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: those things where he's kind of like the face of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the show. They did tape the reunion last week. Bravo
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: released the seating chart. Obviously he had first chair.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, where did he I know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I don't remember where the seating chart was, but yes,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: first Okay, he had.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: First chair and Brittany had first chair opposite of him.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Jesse was sitting next to.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Jacks, And the gag to everybody was Michelle had last chair.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: What do we think that means?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I know, I got so many mess Look look at
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: me whispering to you like my rain drops aren't like
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: listening to all of us.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with Michelle, like all the people she's had
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: sex with and hooked up with in the affairs, Like
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I like love it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: That's because you watched Sister Wise. Babe's so true.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Like I love a woman that's out there having like
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: hot hookups with multiple men.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, you're right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Sorry, what's from I'm into a Polly Family baby.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Not the poll in the valley? Is that a shell
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the Valley poly addition, I was.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Gonna say, let's produce it. I'm ready. I want to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: audition some sister husban.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: He was about to say, you were going to audition
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: for that show?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I would How great would it be to have multiple husbands?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I love these shows, the bedrooms every night, Honey,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you would never get bored.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: We need a gay version, the straight version, the lesbian version.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here for all of the versions, hoodies. So
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: we realized that Michelle Listen. I like Michelle. I will
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: admit to you, honey. I did gag when I saw
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the seating chart and she was last Sea because I'm
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like I thought Michelle was sitting next to Britney, opposite
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of Jesse, so I just assumed that was going to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: be the case. But I believe Kristen sitting next to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Brittany and girlfriend.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: They have Michelle at the end, and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I think Michelle's bringing up this season.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I mean she's big. Listen. She admitted to cheating on Jesse.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Jesse last week revealed this rumor that she slept with
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night. When I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: asked him about it, he said, I don't want to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: talk about it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: He said, in all fairness, I don't want to talk
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: about it, And I'm.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, okay, So I think he understood that, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was the most colorful comment to make about the mother
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of your children. But when it comes to even like
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Janet versus Jesse in this episode and how they were
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: attacking Jesse's girlfriend, what do you make up all of that?
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's so interesting about Michelle.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: You still get me because I'm with you. I think
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I'm so curious.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: And you know, there's so many rumors of all the
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: people that she's like hooked up with and hasn't she
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: allegedly didn't. She admit to too having an affair with Quentin Tarantino.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was really an affair. I think
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: she like hooked up. I think this was before Jesse. Okay,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I gotta go read my gossip story. But I think
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the new I think there's a news story out now.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to find it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Funtion, Now, this is no We love breaking news.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, I swear I just read a gossip story Michelle
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: from The Valley Quentin Tarantino.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, wait.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Hold on, give us a scoop, girl.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Michelle reveals the director she was with at Chateau Marmont. Yes,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the identity of the mystery director who she befriended at
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the chateau. The director was Quentin Tarantino, Michelle confessed on
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a March thirty first episode of her podcast Pursuit of Sassiness,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: before confirming that she still hangs out with him and
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: they still talk.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: She just emailed him the other week.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: In case you need a refresher, Jesse Lanley mentioned that
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Michelle had been spending time with a famous director on
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: The Valley season one, and now it's just been revealed
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of months ago that that famous director was
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Quentin Tarantino. How can we get rid of this woman?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: She's like been with Quentin Tarantino. She's haiven affairs. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: may have some other scoop about her coming out about
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: another affair with a guy in the Valley.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, we'll talk about it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: But I like the Jesse. I like Jesse, the Jesse
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: and Janet drama and.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Janet.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Janet's bringing it and then that little argument she had
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: with Zack, the confertation. I don't even know if there's
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: still going to be friends or if they can be.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I like Janet, miss Jackson of your Nasty. I love Janet,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I think listen. She is fun to watch because she
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: has like this deadpand sort of like response to shit,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: especially right Sarah in her interviews. But and I love Zach.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I love his eyes, I love his expression, I love
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: his hair.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I just think he's so funny the way he cries.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: That scene where they're having like a talk and he's
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: just like, it's like it's like our girl Candice Dillard
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Bassett all over again.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: He's just crying.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with the triangle, it is like he is dipping
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: his eyes. They couldn't roll up any further in his head.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: He's like, I love it. I love it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: No, Janet is low key. She's a little shady. You
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: don't think she's gonna be but she like confronts people.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: She's got a lot to say.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: No, So what do you think about Janet and Zach?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You know the attempt was to make up, because can
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you explain to us the entire backstory because from my recollection,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stem from and you tell me
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: if I got this wrong, But from my understanding, Janet
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: as Zach issue stems from I think Jenna was pregnant
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and Zach tried to like have an argument with her,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and somebody said, like, don't argue with her, she could
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: lose her baby, and he said, like, I don't care,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: something along those lines.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: And I think it happened at the opening of Jack's
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: studio City Bar, and he got blackout and then started
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: exactly started talking all this shit about like Janet the
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: baby comment. He doesn't even remember what he said, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: she's taking it very personally. I think you're you're accurate.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: All went down at the bar, okay. So, And it's
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: interesting though, because I was also watching The Valley After
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: show last night and Janet says, because Zach's like, oh,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: we've we've had this long friendship, We've been friends for
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a long time, and then Janet goes, we're not friends.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: We were not like that friendly.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, Janet is so shady.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I stand for you, sister.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Janet, who are you gonna have as a
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: friend on this Damn show girl, you're coming for Jesse?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Now? You would? You don't want to be friends with Zach?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: After you all left it that you guys.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Were going to try to come together, and Zach was like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: you know, friends make mistakes, friends like own it and
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: own up to it. Jesse seems like a messy drunk.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: I want to go out with him, Jesse Jack, Jesse's probably.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: No, do you think? So? What is that? Do you think? Zach?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Just like I said, I like Zack, I did feel
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you think? I felt he was being
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: sincere and I don't know, I felt.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Back of the kid.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Zach seems to me very sincere, but he also seems
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: like he seems like another one.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: That might benefit from a thirty day well Inness program.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Do you have that friend that like they're too old
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: to be like as drunk and messy as they are,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: but they still are you know that person?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I we have, absolutely, and like, I don't think he's
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: another one do I feel? Look, he was emotional last
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: night apologizing to her. I truly believe he really wants
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: to move forward. But do I think that he would
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: do it again. I completely do. It's like Jesse, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: think absolutely knew what he did when he texted Jackson.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: He wanted Jackson know they were in Santa And I
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: think Zach is a messy drunk who I mean, he's
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: lafe at the party, like he'd be.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: So much fun.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: But I don't see it getting better between he and Janet.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that after show he was she was,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: she was not really having him, like it did not
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: seem like things were going better.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: So done with him.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I kind of got that vibe from the after show. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I got that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Child. We are just getting started. This is reality with
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Zach, Honey, I try, girl. I don't know.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's more to it than we know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but Jannet ain't having it baby, And possibly Zach, you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: did more than what the audience.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I eat.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Sarah, and I saw that warrants her to really just
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: put the final down the coffin of the friendship. Now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: one of the scenes in this episode that was heartfelt
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was Jesse and Michelle's conversation.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I know that they're going to try to like be
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: amicable and like, you know, they're apologizing.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did think that was good.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I thought it was so good because listen, listen, I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: really Okay, I'm gonna say this. Jackson Brittany arguably are
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the face of the valley.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It is what it is, right, totally, And I.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Think Kristin Doty right, because yeah I think so too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kristin for sure.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: So when I was talking about Jackson Brittany, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: as the couple, they are the premier couple, right.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But I will say, as a viewer, there.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Is something I can't take my eyes off of when
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I watch Jesse and Michelle because I agree, right, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: feel it gives me old school soap opera where you
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: have these two wounded individuals who both made mistakes in
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: their marriage, and I feel like, deep, deep, deep down inside,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: there's some love there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: But I think the hurt, the pain, and the.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Ego from both sides is preventing them from getting to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a place, even if it's not a reconciliation. Although this
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: may be you know, just me, I feel like if
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: they ever sat down and had a conversation and just
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: like brought everything to the forefront and a lot of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: each other to be heard and not not listen to respond,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: but listen to understand.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I see a world where they could get back together.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Oh so far, that is so.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I see love that hart to heart.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no one talks like this with this emotion
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: if there wasn't some sense of like love there, am
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I am, I am I thing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I think that's an accurate description of those two because
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: even it's so that is so fascinating. You're right to
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: watch them fight because even that episode, like not last
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: night's episode, but the one before last week, it was
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: also just interesting when she was so hurt when he like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: you know, when she was like.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You know, you've called me a bad mother and like
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you you know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: And he's like, I have never said that about you,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: like I've never There is something very deep about the
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: two of them. And although they fight they hate each other,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: they sort of have you know, they're like crying and emotional.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: It does seem it does, isn't it odd? It almost
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: seems less toxic than Brittany and Jackson.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It seems less.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: It does seem more like they're like they almost could reconcile.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, do we feel like they could reconcile
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: too if they were on that show. If they didn't,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: if they didn't do reality TV, they actually be together.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I think, listen, the beauty of reality television is it
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: oftentimes puts you in a position to have tough conversations
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: because you guys are filming and you may avoid each
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: other in real life, but we're going to show together.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, we got to talk about it because
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it's happening and we're in the same room. And I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: think that's the reason why Van der Pum Rules have
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to be rebooted, because to watch an entire season not
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: seeing Arianna and Tom talk about their relationship, Yep, not
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: working out, but you guys are living together, but we
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: as the audience don't see a conversation. I think that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was a huge mistake that they played on their part,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on their part, right, yeah, because the audience needs that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to Michelle and Jesse,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think I think they're dynamic being on the show together,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: filming together, and then sharing a child. I think you're
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: sort of like in this position to have tough conversations
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to get to a resolution.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: But I also know that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the ego can get the best of you. Because listen,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: if I'm Michelle, would.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I be seen as a dumb woman.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Who forgave this man for spreading these rumors about me?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Gotta be tough, tough, but yet I feel like, look,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: if you've been a sleep with Quentin Tarantino, you're kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of good ego, you know what I mean? Can you
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: imagine he's a nightmare? I mean the ship that must
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: come out of his mouth while.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: He's boning you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, give me a break, Like you know what
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, He's toking a murder scenes everything else.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: You gotta have a tough skin. She was hooking up
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: with him and they're still friends.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I did you go? Right? Right?
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I don't think I don't think she gives one rip
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: what people think. I don't think she gives one. That
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: girl's at the Chateau Marmande. She got a hook up
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: with anybody and everybody.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: She doesn't care. Kyle and Morgan walk in. Honey, let's
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: do a threesome.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, sister, wise, sister, sister, Yes.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Your sister, sister. Now, let me ask you this.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: You are the producing king, you know you are Carlos King.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Do we think do we think that the.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Valley do we think that Jack's you know who, I mean,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: just the absolute ring master?
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Because you just brought up a great point.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Vpr ended because really everybody took a side. Nobody was
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: willing to talk, people were not willing to come. The
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: only one that I think tried to desperately save that
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: show was La La, who was like trying to come
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: across the fence and like bring sand of ball back
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: into the fold and everything. Right, do we think because
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: you know, Jesse has moved on, has a girlfriend, I mean,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: do we think there's any real deep connection or do
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: we think Jack's got together and said to them, Look,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give you all the playbook and y'all
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: are going to play by the royal these damn rules
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: you want. And the moment you silo yourself and you refilmed,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you refuse to film with somebody.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at New.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Jersey, right, I mean, are we here because of Melissa
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and Trey?
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just is it really is it?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Since we've seen so many insincere relationships? I mean, is
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: this sort of deepness with Michelle and Jesse in the
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: back and forth. Do we think it's real or do
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: we think they are? Jesse is just as smart as
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Jackson is, Like, girl, I'm on back here. Put it
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: on the night you did, Quentin Tarantina.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: You gotta put on this.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Good question. I think all of the above. I think, listen,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. When you are a reality
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: star and you get a taste of the money and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the fame and the enjoyment of being relevant, right, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you have that for years and like that is taken
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: away from you, a lot of humbling things start to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: happen where you think about your time on the show
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and should have, would have, could have and damn if
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I just if I if I would have known.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Then what I know now, It'll been a different story.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I think bpr being ripped away from Jack's humbled him.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And I think everybody around him saw what that looked
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like and felt like and cannot imagine that. I do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: believe what Jesse and Michelle are going through is one
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: hundred percent real. However, I also think Jacks understands you
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: don't get more than three chances.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry you don't get more than two chances.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry you don't get more than two chances of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: getting on a reality show.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: You just don't.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And I think Jax understands that this show has to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: be great. And I definitely think he had a pep
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: talk to Jesse and to the boys, and the boys chat,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and I think they're all on the same pace that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: this show has to work. But the only way this
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: show's going to work is that we all be real
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and we all don't have rules of engagement or disengagement.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Hey mayor the Marks, We're not disengaging. We're going to engage, right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And I think when you look at Jesse, I think
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Jesse is one of the smartest strategic male reality starts
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: on television. He's handsome to look at, he's super charming,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he's he's a joy. And when I find so interesting
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: about him is the audience said on my YouTube channel
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that I kind of like him more than Michelle. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that's rare because in any situation, the audience side with
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the women. And to know that Jesse has this fan base,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I love I love the boy too.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I love the guy. He's great.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Really, that's so fascinating about your comments because I also
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: feel like what I like about Jesse's I think he's
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: not afraid to be a villain either. And you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I think Sandoval, Tom Sandoval had such a hard time
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: embracing the villain, you know, role I think he still
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: does sometimes you just get like Jax, I don't think
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: cares Jax is Like, to make a good show, you
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: have to have a villain. You have to have somebody
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: that people hate on that sometimes has this redemption arc.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, not even to mention. I mean it's a
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: whole other show that we'll have to do.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: But like, how is how is Jax Taylor going to
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: continue to own a bar with being a recovering coke
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: addict and alcohol being the gateway to starting to do coke.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how you're going to do that,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: but anyway.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it's so funny that people like Jesse
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: that much because I'm like, I also see him having
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: some seasons of just being the villain even more so.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: But your audience really likes.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Him, honey, Go on my YouTube channel after this, watch
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: an interview.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Look at the comments.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: They're in love with Jesse and I and listen is
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: one thing to hear our conversation on the audio side
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of the podcast, but to watch it you get to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: see his He looked so sincere, and the way he
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: did not bash Michelle to me showed me growth and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's trying to figure things out with her.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But I think to your point, the Valley's success and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: this is this is big brother Carlos King give you
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: guys some advice. In order for the Valley to remain successful,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you guys have to continue being real, being authentic, nobody.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: We don't give two shits about the fancy cars and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: fancy clothes.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about that on the show.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I think people are over it. Yeah, especially yeah. I
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: don't think they care on this show at all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: So I think I think they're all smart, and I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: think I think it's because they saw, like we don't
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: want what happened to Vandupron rules to happen to us.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Because I promise you when I said this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Strongly believe Arianna is gonna wake up one day and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: regret not making it work the best way she could
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: had her last season of Band.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: The Pump Rolls.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: I love that assessment. I have always said that I've
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: always right always, while then I'm sure for Arianna that
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: was the most very hurtful. It was embarrassing, but you
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: like one, and you were winning while this whole like
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: from the moment this happened, and I think it was
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: just such a Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I think it was such a bad way to go out,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: and I think there was just so much more there
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: that that really gave that show the kind.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Of reboot it needed.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: And I think if it was if it played out differently,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: we'd still be seeing we wouldn't be going through this
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: whole thing where we're shooting a whole new VPR reboot
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: with a cast I don't know that we're going to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: care about.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh one last thing, so rain drops.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Bravo announced today that did you read this.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: An well, yeah, the Real Housewives of Island, which we'd
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: all been hearing. But and actually, I think the last
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: time you and I chatted and I was here, we were.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Like, is this real?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, now it's supposed Now it's.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Real, it's real.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: So the Real housewass of Rhode Island is set against
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the shores of the Ocean state pretty much, it's the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Housewives child. So that's the Rhode Island. Ladies of London
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: is coming back. They're doing white Swap the Real Housewives
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Audish and they're doing the Valley Pursian style, which is
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much shots of Sunset Soft reboots Base in the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Valley with Rezia Gig and My Girl MJ leading the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: pack as well. But in this announcement, they also announced
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the returns of like Maritime.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Medicine, a bunch of other shows.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: What was noticeably absent that my rain drops blew me
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: up on Twitter, they said Carlos, they did not announce
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the return of Ronee And I'm like.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm like refreshing the feed and I'm like, what
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: are y'all talking about?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: As I'm like trying to like figure that out out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Wait, do we think there would be an announcement?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Well? Do we think the thing is this?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: One of the things that is interesting is when it
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was revealed about the news shows and what was returning
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and what shows already airing and in production. Based on
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: what I've read, and I'm going to put it up
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: for you now because we are journalists, hey, Portia, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we always report on
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the news accurately. Okay, So they did announce, like I said,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the four news shows. I just read, they announced the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: returns of a bunch of Beverly Hills, for example, which
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, honey.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Well, we really be letting the apple of.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Andy's eye all the pun intended.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that was good. I like that. I like that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I like that. So no, I don't I think this.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I am curious. Okay. So okay, I have the article
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: up for you, honey, I'm going to read it to you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So, like I said, they announced all these shows blah blah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: So Orange County, Beverly Hills, now the pump rules.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Let me see what else? Okay?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: All right, So meanwhile, the Real Housewives of Belly Hills,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Orange County, the Real Housewives of Potombac,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City were all
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: renewed for another season. They did not mention New Jersey
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: or New York.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, what do you?
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, Look, you're the insider. Do you think this
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: is it? Do you think we're done with with Ronie?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I mean I think it's a trochi. I think it's
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: so bad, like, I think we need to call it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I think if Rhode Island can can bring anything.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: It will. I don't know that we'll miss it. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I know it's New York City.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I know New York is iconic.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I think New York should go through what Miami went
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: through and be off the air for a couple of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: years and come back.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And I think, I do you.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Think they're really going to recast it again, even if
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: they give us three.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Break base Listen.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: The only episode I watched last season, I watched the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: premiere and I was I was like, I can't do this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And then I watched like the finale because obviously what
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Brent did to Uba, I'm like, oh my lord Jesus,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and it was so dark. I think that didn't help
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the case. I think, uh, these those women aren't friends.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I don't care whose birthday parties y'all go to and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: pose in front of Apple iPhone sixteen promax.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I don't believe the friendship there.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, And I think when it comes to figuring
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: it out, listen, I think Rhode Island, which is sort
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of like kind of near New York City, kind of
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: near Jersey, and to have New York and New Jersey
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: not be announced as a renewal.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I think when it comes to New.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: York City, they could be casting, and maybe it's contingent
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: upon casting, the way Dallas Housewives was, because remember Dallas
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Housewise was.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: In the middle of casting and they pulled the plug.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Like fuck it, like exact, yeah, I know, we've all
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: moved on and like we're fine.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Do you miss Dallas?
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: No?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Do you no?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: No?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I never even think about Dallas. I mean, Salt Lake
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: is like came out of nowhere.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It is like now in my top three. I mean
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: I miss I will miss new This Roney reboot. It
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: was so bad, Like I had so much hope even
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: season one. I watched season one. I was into it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I had hope. I thought Jenna Lyons, I love season too, Sarah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I thought Jenna was gonna be great and okay, she
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't great, but I thought okay. But I mean it
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: jumped the shark in a way. I can't even believe
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: that they kept filming. I mean, Rebecca Minkoff was like
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: what a waste of a I don't even know how
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: to say it was so bad, right, I mean, have
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: you ever seen anything worse? It was really bad. It
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: was I can't even speechless. I mean, in the first
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: couple of episodes of season two of Ronie, when they
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: were sitting out at Aaron Leechi's place in the Hamptons
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: and they had nothing to do and they were sitting
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: on the ground like board eating cheese in her kitchen,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: This is atrocious.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Compared to the days when we had Sonyaita and Remote,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: they would have been drunk, stabbing each other with knives.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: By this point, Lan would have found man in the woods.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: She would have been shagging him. I mean, it would
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: have been like we would have had so much and
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: it was so boring.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, it's over. So maybe you're right. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Andy keeps kind of doing this thing where he's going
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: to drag things out to twenty twenty six. I mean,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: could Bravocon this year be the big announcements of Roney
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: return and something with New Jersey. Maybe they're holding it
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: till then. But I just don't know who's watching that
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: cast for Roney season three.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not watching that cast.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: And and I said this too, I think as individual women,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: they are beautiful, accomplished and successful, and.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: That's I and I will always give them that.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think as a collective unit, there's no chemistry there
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that I enjoy watching. And that's and that's that's that's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: just the way it is. There's no chemistry. That's why
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the Valley is great. The Valley has great chemistry. Mareton Medicine,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Bailly Hill's Better watch out. We need chemistry.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: I need I I know what are we gonna do?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I girl, because I'm telling you listen, CoP's my favorite.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Sorry, that's never gonna change.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: But I the only friendship I enjoyed last season was
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Eric Heundur Eats.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I could watch them all day. I love it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, do we see a see a scenario where
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: our girl, Teddy Mellencamp, you know, is Teddy Mellencamp coming back?
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I personally would love Teddy to come back.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, first and foremost, I want to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: make sure she takes care of herself and beats cancer.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: And she's so far, so good in her and her journey.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: But look, I think.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I think the message to me if I had to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like give a message in this episode based on us
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: recapping the Valley and talking about the non announcement of
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a renewal for New York and Jersey.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And how bad the rules have to be rebooted. Fully.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: My to all the casts in the world is, if
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you are on an ensemble show, it works because of
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the ensemble and the moment you think you're too big
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to film with somebody for ego or for whatever is
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: going to ruin the show, not only for.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: The other people, but also for you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: So always remember that you're only as good as the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: rest of your cast.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: It's like a basketball team.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Lebron James is the greatest ball player out right now currently,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: but the Lakers just got eliminated from the playoffs because
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it takes an entire
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: team to win championships. And trust me, for my sports listeners,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a reboot of the Lakers.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I'm so with you. I think the value is so good.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: I think Jackson Taylor got fired and spent five years studying, analyzing,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: figuring out what was wrong, to never make those mistakes.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: And I think that cast was put together much in
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: part by Jacks who is a brilliant producer. And I
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: love it. It's super entertaining. And I mean, we'll see
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: where the housewives go.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, we'll.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: See, we'll see, we'll see.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I know you have a lot of stuff
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: going on. Your podcast is so good.
• 52:32
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• 52:33
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• 52:37
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  Speaker 2: But Sarah, talk to them about it.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Let them know what shows you talk about, because you
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: also talk about a lot of teal sells too.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, rain drops. If you also indulge in
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: sister Wives. There's a new one, Polly Family. Have you
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: seen this one where it's two couples in a closed
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: quad of you. Okay, these two straight couples. They've lived together, honey.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: The men take their toothbrushes and pillow from bedroom to bedroom.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: One of the chicks is pregnant. They don't know who
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: the daddy is because the men go between the bedrooms
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: each night. This is a real show, Polly Family, It's epic.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Then if these people are not crazy enough, do you
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: have time to be like a swinger? The one of
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: the women decide she wants to add a woman, a
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: fifth person into their relationship because things are apparently going
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: so well. You don't even know who the daddy is
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: or your babies. You want to add in somebody else here.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I mean we need an Apple AirTag
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: for everything in that house.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sister Wife.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: People really know me from Sister Wives. I've been covering
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: that for years. Some of the other TLC shows I
• 53:55
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• 53:58
  Speaker 4: with Bravo and the shows so into that. And then
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I have a variety of pop culture guests, so our
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: girl Megan McCain, who we love has been on the show,
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Drake Bell, just people that are really kind of are
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• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I love your show, I love you Becoming on. Thank
• 54:17
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• 54:19
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