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Time for Bold, Godly Leaders in Church & State · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hi, guys.
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  Welcome.
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  What a week it's been.
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  Great guest.
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  I've got another one today.
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  We're going out to Albuquerque, New Mexico, and we're going to catch up with Pastor
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  Steve Smotherman, one of my favorite Patriot pastors, if you want to put it that way.
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  He's an author, senior pastor of Legacy Church in Albuquerque, and he refuses to compromise
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  on God's word, including critical issues of faith, truth, and religious freedom.
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  And that's refreshing compared to a lot of churches today.
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  Steve and his wife, Cynthia, have three children and eight grandkids, and we're just
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  blessed to have them back on World View Matters, or actually for the first time.
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  Steve, welcome to the program.
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  Hi.
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  Well, it's an honor to be here.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  I love what you do.
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  I love your fight.
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  I love your stance, and we need more people like you in the world and in the United States
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  and with believers.
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  So thank you.
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  Hey, man.
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  Well, kindred spirits, brother.
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  I love what you do.
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  That's why we connect, and let's go back to Liberty Pastors.
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  We met, I think, two or three years ago in Dallas, Texas, or it might have been Edmund
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  Oklahoma, I think it was Dallas, and it was so refreshing that I mean, I've had Trevor
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  Loudon on, and of course, Alex Newman is a colleague of ours here.
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  But we've had a lot of people from Liberty Pastors.
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  Are you still speaking out there doing different events for Liberty Pastors, because now you
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  know you guys have a lot of satellite churches or other churches from legacy there in New
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  Mexico.
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  What have you been doing?
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  Well, we've just been in New Mexico fighting and continue to say, hey, we're never going
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  to submit to anything but our biblical worldview.
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  And so New Mexico is at the center of so much stuff, you know, bad stuff.
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  We just, I'm a, I still talked to all those guys, you know, Dr. Scarborough, Paul Belair.
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  I talked to them.
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  We do some things together, and so I'm proud of what they're doing also.
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  So before we get to one of the things I watched when you were going through this battle
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  for the, of the second amendment with your governor, as really, really an interesting
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  time there.
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  And this is state by state battle, and you know, incredibly blue state there in New Mexico.
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  Let's talk about legacy academy, because we always like to point out churches and organizations
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  that are trying to help teach kids, disciple kids, biblical worldview, truth, and get
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  away from the government run education centers.
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  So tell us a little bit about legacy academy, Steve.
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  Legacy academy is obviously a Christian school.
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  It's a discipleship school.
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  So the only kids allowed in it have to be like-minded believers.
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  If you're, you can say, well, I go to this thing.
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  If it's not like-minded, we don't let you in.
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  And I believe people are paying not just for the education, but the environment.
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  And so we were very protective of our culture.
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  And so we started legacy academy, I think around 15 years ago, maybe 16.
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  And we only had K-4 through 8th grade.
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  And then we just moved up the high school ranks.
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  And so this will be, I think, our fourth graduating senior class.
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  And so we have football teams.
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  We have basketball teams, great volleyball teams.
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  And we're teaching our kids to have a biblical worldview.
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  So one of the things I wanted to ask you and let you share with our listeners is
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  there's so many fights that you've been involved in with your governor, very liberal,
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  some might say, Marxist, leftist.
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  Is it Michelle Grisham?
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  Is that her name?
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  Sure.
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  So we were going through COVID.
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  And was one of the churches you were trying to stay open.
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  You were trying to hold services.
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  You had a lawsuit or maybe two lawsuits because they were trying to tell you when you
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  could worship, how you could worship, how many people you could have in the sanctuary.
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  Tell us a little bit about that background in your history of battles with this governor
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  that a lot of pastors won't do.
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  Well, our governor came out and said that we, you know, her first statement when COVID
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  happened was, don't go to neighborhood associations or churches.
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  I'm watching this.
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  And that's when the fight began.
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  The fight actually began at that moment.
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  I'm watching on TV.
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  And I said, did she just say we're the same as the neighborhood association?
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  And who even detends those?
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  And she put us in the same category because she has a disdain for the church and disdain
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  for the kingdom.
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  And from that point on, we fought.
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  I just said, I'm not going to yield to him.
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  I'm not going to submit.
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  She at one time said you couldn't have but five people in your whole church.
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  So in our, like our central campus, our biggest, we have 155,000 square feet of space.
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  You can only have five people in there.
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  You wouldn't even know if there was five people around if they were spread out.
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  And so she just continued to do that.
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  So we said, we're not going to submit to this.
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  We're going to stay open.
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  And we fought back and we took it to federal court twice.
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  Then it went to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
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  And we actually ended up winning the whole thing.
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  We did what we wanted.
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  She never messed with us.
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  We didn't pay any fines that she gave us.
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  And so we won, but the news media would never tell you we won.
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  Yeah.
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  I think we're losing.
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  We've interviewed some brothers, pastors up in Canada, Tim Stevens and James Coates.
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  They kept their churches open during COVID.
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  They actually had to go to prison.
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  And this battle that we never thought we'd really see here in America, it's here because
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  a lot of churches are still dealing with some of the fallout from that, you know, leftist
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  governors and mayors trying to, you know, tell the churches, no, you can't be open.
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  They're killing babies down the street.
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  The Planned Parenthood clinic and they're, they're keeping the bars open and home deep.
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  Oh, and Starbucks and other places.
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  Anyway, Steve, I know you would like to speak on that.
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  But let's talk about the silent pulpits on moral issues.
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  And let's go over and mention, oh, wait a minute, before we do that, because I want to talk
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  about what happened in Ohio with the recent elections and the pro life losses really sad.
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  But I don't mean to have millions and millions of dollars come in from out of state, but your
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  second amendment battle with your governor there, that was earlier this year.
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  It was unconstitutional.
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  How did that all play out?
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  Tell us what happened with that.
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  So what happened was she, she came out and said because we've had some murders that
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  the only way to combat this is to take guns away from all law-biting citizens.
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  And you cannot conceal care, you cannot care, you cannot do anything.
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  Until we get this murder thing, you know, lowered.
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  And so, and then she said, your rights are not absolute on the Constitution.
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  I have the right, she said, to remove those rights.
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  And when she said that, I'm like, no, our rights are absolute.
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  And you as a governor don't have the authority to tell me what to do.
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  So I got up immediately and said, guys, I hope nobody honors this.
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  I hope nobody does what she says.
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  And I know they watch our live streaming.
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  This is over live streaming.
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  Carry your guns, do what you think you need to do.
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  But it's for me, I'm going to do what I want to do.
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  She's not going to dictate to me.
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  She became a laughing stock, really, of the country, even CNN got after a little bit,
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  which I thought was awesome, because they said, but this is not constitutional.
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  And she goes, we're going to, we're going to deal with this murder rate.
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  And so she actually said, they said, they actually asked her, do you think the criminals
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  are going to abide by this?
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  And she said, no.
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  So she wanted to arm the criminals criminals and disarm good citizens, law-biting citizens.
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  What could go wrong?
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  So, wait a minute, worlds are colliding.
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  Worlds are colliding.
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  If you said that CNN came criticize to her, I mean, there's far left as you can get.
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  And she was on there with them and they said, isn't this uncomfortable?
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  I mean, I watched it.
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  I laughed.
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  I'm like, they're not even agreeing.
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  And all she did was overtalk them because she's so awful.
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  And I labeled her over the last three years, the wicked witch of the North, and people
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  thought I was being mean and vicious.
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  And then someone finally made a bumper sticker that, through the election, it says, ditch
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  the witch.
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  So I said, see, it's catching on, but she is a satanist, she's narcissistic.
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  And when someone that's in our government that's as public servant tells us that our rights
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  are not absolute, I have a big problem with that.
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  So Steve, I want you to speak to our viewers right now.
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  Some of them might be thinking, wow, we haven't heard a pastor address a public official
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  like that or that directly, you know, maybe they're just not used to seeing that.
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  I mean, we need a lot more of it.
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  But how would you respond to people that go, is that the pastor's role to step up and question
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  the government?
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  It is absolutely a role.
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  Even when our revolution happened, you know, over 200 years ago, it was the pastors
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  who led most of those battles.
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  They're the ones that let's go fight.
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  The problem with our prosperity is we've gotten weak.
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  And so when you stand up and do what I do, it's an anomaly.
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  It's like, well, we're not used to it.
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  Yeah, but just because you know, when you have a problem with the truth, you shouldn't
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  blame the truth, you should blame the lies you've been believing the whole time.
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  And so we, you know, so when people say that, I said, well, who's supposed to stand
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  up and fight?
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  Aren't we the moral compass of this country?
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  Aren't we the protectors of our biblical worldview and the Constitution that gives
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  us a right to worship God any way we want?
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  We need to beat fighters.
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  We need to stand up and say, listen, we're never going to submit to this kind of ungodliness
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  and violation of my constitutional rights that my dad personally gave his life for as he
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  served in the military.
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  That's right.
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  And boy, we have seen an infringement on our rights and especially religious freedom
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  in the last several years that we've never seen before in this country.
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  I think a lot of people really weren't ready for it.
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  But it built up to this point because in part of the silent pulpits.
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  And I praise God for you and your voice and you're not silent about these issues.
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  In fact, we can tell a story.
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  We talked about this before on the radio that, at least in one case, you told them about
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  a woman that you have in this conversation about pro life versus pro choice.
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  And she was pro abortion.
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  And you, how did you put it?
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  You asked her, well, what are you doing at this church then?
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  Could you share that story?
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  Do you remember that?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  We had a conversation and she said, I don't care what you believe.
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  I don't care what the Bible says.
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  I believe in abortion.
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  And I believe in a woman's right to choose.
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  And I actually said to her, I said, if you believe that this conversation's over and
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  I don't, you no longer need to ever come back here.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  That is such a misinterpretation of scripture.
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  How can you not value human life in mother's wombs if you are a Bible believing, born
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  again, Christian, a believer, true believer now.
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  If you know what scripture teaches, there is so much ignorance out there.
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  Because that, I'll tell you what, that's good marketing to Pastor Steve.
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  The marketing of evil has been so successful in this country.
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  We got to take a quick break, but we're going to talk about what happened in Ohio with
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  the recent elections there.
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  Some pro life losses.
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  And never want to talk about the new house speaker, Michael Johnson.
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  We'll talk about that with Pastor Steve Smotherman on World View Matters in just a minute.
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  Back to Pastor Steve Smotherman.
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  Ohio.
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  What happened?
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  Well, we can't say for sure that Ohio citizens are on board with this, but the vote was
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  57% to 43% that a ton of leftist money coming in including George Soros, $3.5 million
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  from the open society policy center, George Soros and others, millions of dollars marketing
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  the fact that women will be forced to use a coat hanger in the back alley if they wanted
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  to have a portion of this goes through and this and that so that people too many believe
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  the lies and Steve, just like in New Mexico there when it comes to this legislation, I'm
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  sorry, elections have consequences.
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  So what are your thoughts on what happened in Ohio and this is a state by state battle
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  now since Roe V Wade was overturned?
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  Well, my thought is that the reason we keep losing these things, you know, in our race
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  here in governor, we lost because the guy running thought it was okay to kill a baby after
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  five, six or seven weeks, which is still abortion and that's what these people keep saying.
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  Well, you know, I think the governor in Virginia, I think 15 weeks is okay.
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  The problem with it, it doesn't engage us because we're, there's so many people like
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  me who will never vote for a candidate that believes in killing babies ever.
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  Thank you.
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  And so it keeps them at home on our governor's race.
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  The Republicans didn't come out of the Conservatives didn't come out and vote because they said
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  they're both abortionists and I think our messaging is wrong.
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  I think we need to hold fast, say all abortion is wrong.
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  You know, it's it's murder, they talk about the case of rape, incest, the death of a mother,
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  which is less than one percent, probably of one percent of all abortions down in America.
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  And I think we just need to message it.
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  This is a lie.
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  We keep calling it abortion.
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  We should call it murder because that's what it is.
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  The left wants to use nice words so it doesn't seem as harsh.
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  And I think on our side, we just need to stand up and say, this is our message unapologetically.
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  This is what we believe and we will never back off from it because then that that emboldened
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  that emboldened people to stand up and say, if he's willing to stand up, I'm willing
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  to stand up.
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  If she's willing to stand up, I will, but when you when you kind of blur the lines, then
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  it's like, what's going to motivate me to come out?
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  Yeah.
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  They've done a good sales job, snow job, reproductive health or reproductive freedom, women's choice.
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  But you know what?
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  The Latin meaning to the word fetus is little one or offspring.
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  We're talking about human life.
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  It is not a potential human human life.
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  It is a human life that has potential.
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  Anyway, I'll get off that soapbox, but it took $35 million in out of state funding for
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  Ohio and ads filled with fear and a lot of deception to push through this.
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  The most radical abortion agenda in the country now, this will cement late term abortion in
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  the Ohio Constitution, strip parents of their rights and wipe out health and safety protections
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  for women.
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  So a lot of money went into this.
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  Money in itself isn't evil, but the love of money and what you use it for, money, the
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  love of money, the root of all evil, we're seeing that right here, Steve, a lot of lies
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  through the campaign ads, fear about what they were trying to push, but it works in Ohio.
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  I hope other states will learn from it.
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  What are your thoughts on what we can glean from, what, what not to do?
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  Because I think a lot of Americans, Steve and Christians, conservatives, Republicans,
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  even some independents were tired of the political ping pong.
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  We want abortion, we want it out loud.
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  We don't want any abortion.
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  Of course, I don't know if it'll ever get to that point.
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  In the meantime, we've got to fight these battles, your thoughts.
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  Well, I think we, you know, when it comes to what we learned and what we glean is that,
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  you know, when, when you were talking about all the things, this thing, this vote, you
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  know, constituted the, the taken away rights of parents and all that, that's what we need
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  to come and say, listen, if there was, this was about a woman's right to choose and that's
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  all it's about them.
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  Why do they add all this other stuff?
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  We have to be smart enough and, and again, when I say smart enough, we have to be so unapologetic
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  of our beliefs.
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  We just need to stand up and say, this is what we believe, like it or not.
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  That's what the world does.
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  This is what we believe, like it or not, and we don't like it, but, but there's not
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  much to do.
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  So I think what we need to do is message, the message needs to be clear.
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  This is a lie.
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  We need to say it's a lie.
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  It's not about reproductive services.
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  It's not about a woman's right to choose.
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  This is about the human life.
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  Do babies have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
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  And do parents have a right to raise their children or train their children the way they
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  choose to?
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  In America, we do.
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  And so I think our messaging just has to be so clear and concise and unapologetic.
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  This is what we believe.
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  And we have to engage and we have to, you know, let people know the lies, the deception.
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  And I have yet to find someone that's really out there willing to do that.
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  Yeah.
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  We've got to fight on our hands, friends.
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  We are still fighting for life.
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  And more ways than one, souls, spiritual life, but also life in the womb, that will continue.
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  So let's switch gears here now.
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  I want to talk a little bit about what your thoughts on the new house speaker, Mike Johnson,
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  because I've got an article here and many others came out like this, Democrats blast
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  new house speaker for unabashedly holding to a biblical worldview.
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  So Steve, I'm thankful.
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  It's like to me, he came out of nowhere.
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  I wasn't aware of who Mike Johnson was, but I've been pleasantly surprised what I've
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  read about him.
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  He is definitely pro-life, he's, you know, pro-family pro-marriage.
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  He's even got a covenant eyes on his computer and him and his son, trying to keep away from
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  pornography and they're making fun of him for that.
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  So the left is coming after him, not because of any of his policies, because of his worldview.
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  Surprise, surprise.
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  What thoughts and what you know about this guy?
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  Well, I don't know much more than you, but I hear what I do.
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  I do like him.
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  And when Mitch McConnell begins to attack him, I like him even more.
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  And you know, it's just what the Bible says, that we will, if you stand up for what you
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  believe, you know, they're going to attack you.
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  You know, when you can't at all joy, when you fall into these things, the trials, the
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  temptations, the persecution.
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  And so I just, I'm glad, I'm finally glad we have someone that's uncompromising that
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  we'll stand up for the truth.
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  And we need to pray for him.
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  I'm very grateful.
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  And like you, I'd never heard of him.
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  I thought it was going to be Jordan, thought it was going to be a, you know, Scalise or somebody.
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  When they rejected them, I'm like, how do you reject Jordan?
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  I mean, he leases a fighter and when, and they went with someone that I truly believe
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  that God is put in such a time as this.
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  And he needs our prayers.
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  And apparently he already knows the system.
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  So he didn't care what they say.
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  If you're being attacked, if you're anybody watching a pastor or anybody, if you're being
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  attacked by the left, you're doing your job.
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  Yeah.
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  I want to talk about something you said.
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  God raises men up.
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  And who knows what's going to happen, but God is sovereign over leaders.
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  I think Daniel, chapter two says God raises up kings and removes kings.
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  And he is sovereign over all these things.
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  More scriptures talk about this.
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  And Steve, it's very interesting that sometimes for such a time, we need certain leaders.
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  And it's obviously clear in America.
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  And of course, in the church, we haven't had godly leaders that have been bold enough
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  to stand their ground.
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  I mean, we don't know what's going to happen, but hopefully, you know, he will.
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  But here's one thing he, I apparently used to be with Alliance Defending Freedom.
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  He served as a senior counsel for ADF.
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  It's a conservative legal powerhouse, if you don't know.
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  And they were actually behind the overturning of Roe v. Wade and a lot of other great cases.
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  But he supported the federal heartbeat law.
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  And they call him an anti-abortion, mega extremist.
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  And as you say, Steve's mother man, that's a badge of honor, right?
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  It is.
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  Listen, people tell me all the time, well, I go to church, my church never criticized.
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  So here's what I tell them, and I do it as nice I can.
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  That's because your church doesn't stand for anything.
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  This is bottom line.
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  I don't care.
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  Well, my church, we never get any press or whatever.
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  I said, it's because you don't stand for anything.
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  If you're going to stand up in this wicked, lost world, this fallen world with the scriptures,
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  the gospel, talking about Jesus, you are going to be persecuted.
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  We just have to know that we're going to get punched sometimes and we just got to get
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  back up and answer the bell.
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  That's all we got to do.
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  So Mike Johnson, apparently, is a Southern Baptist, I think I read something like that.
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  That's, you know, with the church background, he comes from the denomination.
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  And he says this, I don't believe there are any coincidences.
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  I believe that scripture, the Bible is very clear that God is the one who raises up those
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  in authority.
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  He raised up each one of you, all of us.
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  And I believe that God has ordained and allowed each one of us to be brought here for this
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  specific moment and this time.
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  Steve, we need godly men, more leaders in our churches.
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  And boy, let's just start right there.
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  We've really seen a lot of people just back off from what they consider, quote, political
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  issues by political, I mean abortion, homosexuality, socialism, Marxism, those are political issues,
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  right?
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  And we've got some thoughts on that and how we can try to encourage more godly men to
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  get into leadership.
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  Well, I, here's the issue I see the reason that we don't is because too many people don't
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  believe in the transformational power of God to change a life.
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  What is the Bible talk about that, you know, when we get in the last days, people have
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  a form of godliness, but deny the very power of God.
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  What are they denying?
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  The very power of God to change lives.
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  So when we deal with homosexuality here, we say, listen, you can come in here and be
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  anything you want.
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  You can come as you are, but there'll be no public displays of affection.
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  We won't allow, we won't tolerate it.
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  And we believe God can heal you and set you free.
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  The reason that they don't stand for these things and they want to call it all political
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  even so-called preachers is because they truly don't believe that God has the power to transform
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  a life.
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  Well, I do.
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  And if we would ever come back to the scriptures and understand that Jesus came to heal the
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  brokenhearted and a lot of the homosexuals are just brokenhearted, a lot of them have been
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  molested, abused, whatever, because that's how that spirit recruits.
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  They cannot, that spirit cannot reproduce, but it does recruit.
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  And we've allowed the recruiting of our young people.
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  And I believe the church is to blame because we have been way too silent.
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  So what we need to do is engage pastors and say, do you believe the scriptures?
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  Then quit believing the rhetoric of the left that has infiltrated the church that said that
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  only preach Jesus.
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  How do you preach Jesus without dealing with the culture?
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  How do you preach Jesus without not talking about the 60 million babies that have been murdered
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  in our country?
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  How do you talk about Jesus when they're taking our young people and mutilating their
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  bodies with the most horrific circumstance?
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  That's why they give them immune blockers because your body will see that as a wound.
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  So if you have a man that, you know, cuts off his private parts and they create a woman
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  part in them, then the body constantly wants to heal it because it sees it as a wound.
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  Even our natural body knows it's wrong.
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  And so we need to engage pastors and say, listen, and Christians stand up for the word quit
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  buying into the culture.
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  We've been so indoctrinated with the world that we've not been indoctrinated in the scriptures.
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  And the scriptures are very clear.
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  And God will not be mocked.
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  And so for these pastors, they just need to be talked to and said, listen, how do you
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  address these things?
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  Abortion's not biblical.
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  I mean, not political.
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  It's biblical.
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  It's homosexuality is sin.
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  And if they engage in it, they're not going to have it, but they're told that God did
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  this.
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  They're blaspheming God.
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  They're viling the third commandment and attributing this something to God that he didn't
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  have any part in.
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  That's right.
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  Unfortunately, under our on our watch and our parents and grandparents, and that generation
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  in the church in America, you said, recruit, we have allowed the left and Marxists and others
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  to recruit an army of social justice activists because you go through the K through 12 system,
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  then you go to the hateful rabid indoctrination centers of the universities.
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  You're going to come out a leftist activist.
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  You're going to put in the environment and nature and above human beings, human life,
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  and you're going to be through for all kinds of agendas.
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  They're against Israel, a lot of these universities, even professors.
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  So this is what we've seen.
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  You said, recruit, they have done, we're supposed to disciple as believers, preach the gospel,
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  make disciples of all nations, the left has discipled young people for far too long.
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  So Steve, you and I have talked about this a lot.
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  And we just want to encourage people to keep speaking and fighting these things and resisting
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  because the left is not going to give up.
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  We just need to recruit more soldiers of Christ, your final thoughts?
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  Well, we are called, you know, the street commissions in the Bible.
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  The first one is go get people saved.
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  The second one was in Matthew a couple of weeks later, make disciples and the third one was
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  be filled with the Holy Spirit.
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  We need to come back to the scriptural understanding.
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  You have a biblical worldview, you're very versed and we need to come back and say, hey,
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  the Bible's the Bible, we're not here to change it, we're here to believe it and act on it.
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  And once we do, what the consequences that follow, there are the consequences that follow.
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  Praise God, brother, we have to talk again in the near future.
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  It's been too long, but it's still great to reconnect with you again.
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  Good to see you.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  Well, thank you for having me.
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  You're awesome.
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  I hope people watch and listen to you because we have very few voices like you out there
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  making a difference.
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  So thank you.
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  Praise God.
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  Steve Smotherman Legacy Church, Albuquerque, New Mexico, we will be in touch, brother.
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  Happy Thanksgiving.
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  I know it's a few weeks away, but anyway, we'll see Lord willing soon.
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  Thanks for to Maria too.
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  You too, sir.
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  Thank you.
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  All right.
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  All right, guys.
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  Tomorrow, Dr. Jake Jacobs, we're going to be talking about actually more of Israel and
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  what's going on there in the indoctrination on the university campuses and we're going
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  to talk about the propaganda war that we don't seem to be either aware of or not doing
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  very well in.
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  So that's with Jake Jacobs, tomorrow on World View Matters.
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  Thanks again for sharing on social media.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.