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186. HGSE Global Citizen: Rasheen Jamison-Richardson: Reauthoring your Narrative and Owning your Legacy · Be A Global Citizen!

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Hi there, and welcome to Be a Global Citizen, the podcast that
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explores the concept of global citizenship through the lens of
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value creating education. My name is Scott Bauer and I'm a
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SOCA researcher and educator. I hope you find the discussions,
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stories, and insights on this podcast to be valuable and
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inspiring as we strive to become global citizens who are
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committed to living a contributive life.
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Enjoy the conversation. I am Rasheen Jameson Richardson,
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non profit founder of Legacy School of Performing Arts and a
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current graduate of Harvard Graduate School of Education.
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I'm located in Florida and I'm excited to be here today.
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Hi, Rasheen, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast
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today all the way from the East Coast.
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So we're like coast to coast having this wonderful dialogue.
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And, and, and also, you know, I'm just really fascinated to to
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learn more about your background.
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I know you are a seasoned educator, school leader and
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you've been the trenches yourself and you've emerged like
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a Phoenix and you're doing so many amazing projects and, and
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leading initiatives to support other leaders in in the
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education spaces to make big change.
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And I think, you know, this is so needed in the world that we
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live in. So for you to speak more about
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your organization, to speak more about what brought you to the
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work. And I think this is going to be
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very valuable for anyone wanting to achieve, you know, whatever
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dreams they have, because you've you've lived through that and
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you're you're doing the work and you're doing it, you know, with
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a big smile and looking fabulous.
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Thank you, yes. So anyway, wanted wanted to, you
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know, pass it over to you now, because, you know, it's really
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about your story. It's about what what events,
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what people's, what questions within yourself internally
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brought you to the work that you're currently doing.
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So if you would like to take us however far back about some of
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maybe these earlier influences and then just catch us up to
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speed about, yeah, what, what are you currently working on?
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Thank you, Scott, for this opportunity to be on your
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platform. I will let the audience know
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that I'm very fond of your work and what you do as well, and it
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inspires me. And also to let everyone know
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that you will also be on my podcast with your amazing
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philosophy and your amazing approach to being a global
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citizen. And I mentioned that in in the
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same scope of what you're asking me.
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That is what I do now. I've done that for a number of
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years, starting 25 years ago when I came into the performing
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arts. I have 3° in music.
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I have studied opera, I have gone, you know, East Coast, West
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Coast, touring with concert choirs, then performing and all
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of the above. But then there was a time when
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my career took me into being a public school music teacher and
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I will never forget it. But before that, my foundation
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came out of the black church where my family, my dad was the
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pastor of the church, my mom was a church musician.
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So I just started looking at how my life mirrored of legacy.
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So when I call the organization, my organization for the past 17
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years, legacy school performing arts, it goes back to different
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legacies that we lead and a legacy that was left for me to
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be able to end up into what your podcast is saying, being a
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global citizen. That then materialized into me
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understanding the importance of how we are to be in positions of
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in leadership positions, being able to redeem those
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opportunities that were left for us that we might not have known
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about. So if we go back a little bit
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more with my mom was the musician at the church.
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Then I was just playing around in the back church in the pews,
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not knowing one day that I will actually major in music or
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actually become the founder of a nonprofit that expanded to 12
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locations. So it goes back to what the
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port, the portion how I learned citizenship, which was when my
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mom and dad, it wasn't that they, they only preached or only
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played and only took care of us. And my mom and dad also had
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entrepreneurship and a a beauty salon business and a
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construction company. Very small, right?
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But what they practiced a lot was citizenship and community,
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and I had no idea how much that played into you being the person
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and the professional you should be and how you treat people.
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So as I grew into my own identity, those are the elements
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I took with me. So if I want to be this opera
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singer, I want to be a kind one. If I want to be a music teacher,
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I needed to be a kind person. If I don't want whatever I
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needed to be, I really wanted it to be people oriented, people
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centered. So therefore the initiatives
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that I worked on were social justice, health, well-being.
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It talked about resiliency. And so I didn't just come into
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music just to be a pretty face or have a beautiful sound,
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right? But it I had to not just make
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money, but make a difference. And in me saying that it is
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basically getting down to getting into citizenship,
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meaning that we belong somewhere.
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We we literally belong somewhere.
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We are citizen of, let's say right now the United States of
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America, but we're also citizens of of a community that we
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represent. And if we go down a little bit
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more, we are we're citizen of ourselves.
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So I basically categorize my life into 6 masterworks, but for
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right now just go over just one. One is mastering the art of
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overcoming childhood grief. When my mom died at 13 years
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old, and so the music that I'm talking about, it was gone.
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So I spent my life trying to regain that music sound that was
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in our home and all those different areas, and then also
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not being able to excel academically because of that
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from age 13 all the way to high school.
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So by the time I get to college, another masterwork is formed
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with me actually overcoming what I consider the trauma of knowing
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that you really are different, you really don't belong.
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And so it was a different atmosphere that I had to go in
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to have to make sure I shake my identity, go within myself and
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shake my identity for the very goal that I wanted to have when
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as a Black person, you didn't see many Black people in opera,
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you didn't see this happening in the Black community.
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The things I wanted to do. So once I was able to get over
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that particular childhood grief, to get over into actually
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getting into college, I just decided I wanted to dominate.
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I wanted to make sure that I left my mark.
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So earning a bachelor's in music, earning a bachelor's in K
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through 12 education, earning a master's in vocal in choral
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conducting, and then going to London.
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And then what I did was soon as I got out of the London, earning
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my master's degree at that time, I was then launched into work
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and ruling impoverished communities.
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I was not prepared. I was not prepared.
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So when we talk about education educators, we talk about
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navigating through these times of crises.
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It started early for me, Scott. So I did all that stuff I'm
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telling you about. It sounded so beautiful, but I
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just said. But by the time I actually got
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my first assignment, I was not prepared for all the extra
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things that I needed to do. I knew it.
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I knew I could do it musically because I had the training.
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I knew I could do it because I was going to get up every day.
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But what was tested is what kind of a citizen I would be as a
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teacher. Like, who are you going to be as
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this teacher? And so, so many worlds had to
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come together at once. But what happened next was the
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2008 recession cut all the music out of schools.
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And so in that time frame, I was able to master that, being able
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to build in youth resilience. I was able to take a lot of
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those kids who came from troubled backgrounds to Carnegie
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Hall to perform six different languages, making sure they were
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able to have this access and with children working with them
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further opportunity. I finally found out what it was
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like to give someone an opportunity that I did not have.
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So when my job was cut, I was left with this bug.
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You have got to make sure you keep the doors open so that the
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children's creativity does not turn into crime.
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So I've now become a community activist in my own words, or now
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become someone who's not just music minded, that's not just,
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you know, just concerned about a vocal warmups.
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I was concerned about the well-being of the children and
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families in the community. That's when I decided to take a
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large leap of faith and become nonprofit founder of Legacy
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School Performing Arts, and that was in 2008.
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So that organization goes on for 10 years when another disaster
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struck, which was Hurricane Michael, damaged the entire
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building. And I have been close to the
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past seven years. But what was more profound than
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that is as I was trying to rebuild and recover, I suffered
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a stroke. Then as I'm getting up from the
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stroke, I then suffer from what they considered rheumatoid
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arthritis. And it's not what they consider,
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it's what it is. And it tried to debilitate me
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and I could not move, talk, read, write or do anything.
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So by the time I met Scott last year at Harvard University, it
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was my first time back into the public eye.
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And I came back with one sound. And it is the current sound I
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have of redemption because you can begin again.
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You can live again. You must figure out a way to
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begin and live and find restoration in the thing that
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you're doing, no matter what the condition.
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And so that brings me current to the framework that I built at
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Harvard called Leadership Redemption.
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It is a resilience training framework that says not all
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leaders are created equal and that we we must find ways to
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find a backup generator that we can help leaders return and be
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restored into their work. When all else fails, you should
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not be one that's left out to fail.
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And so that's what brings me to your podcast today.
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The sound of redemption is all through the land, as far as I'm
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concerned, because we have to help leaders find their way back
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to their purpose. Beautifully said.
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Thank. Thank you so much for saying I'm
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always in awe whenever I, I, I listen to you and I'm so
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inspired because with each word that you're sharing, right from
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your experience, it's backed with such conviction right in
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the, the, the, the people that you encountered, the, the
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feelings that you had the, the moments that you experience.
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Everything is just like so imbued with these various
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different identities, right? The levels of like citizenship
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and the fact that with all of these experiences, right, the
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good, the bad, the ugly, it's all being incorporated into who
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you are right now, this version of machine.
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And you're also wary of like, you know, those struggles while
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in many ways strengthened you, they forged you right in the
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fires to become this like, you know, this, this like sharp
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sword, right? It's like unbreakable that while
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I'm sure you're not telling educators, OK, like with this
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framework, you will have no more struggles and everything will be
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wonderful, But you're you're you're bracing them for a a
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difficult reality, but one in which you know, you are sword as
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it's being forged in the kiln or whatever that fireplaces.
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It's not to like melt it, right? You're not supposed to like come
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out with like, you know, the damaged sword, right.
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The whole point is to, you know, really have this like beautiful,
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you know, thing to go into battle, right?
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So, you know, that is really apparent in terms of like what
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you've went through that you had many different struggles, but
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you know, here you are so much stronger for it.
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And, and I kind of wanted to like rewind the clock a little
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bit because what you shared about, you know, this initial
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foundation of yours being in the black church.
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You know, I, I, I did not grow up in the black church, right,
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But from many, you know, like inspirational people that I've
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met, mentor figures that I've had some of them having, you
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know, grown up in the black church, I'm always in awe with
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specifically the oration I love. I just love how they, they, you
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know, they're able to convey their, their words.
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The, the kind of it's musical. It's, it's coming from the
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depths of their soul. It, it's specifically to move
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people. And I feel like, you know, that
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is, I don't think it's, well, I don't know if something you're
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born with, I mean, maybe certain people, yes, but it's definitely
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something that you you hone and it's a skill that you clearly
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have. And I wanted to ask about like
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your parents a little bit more. They were entrepreneurial.
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They left their own legacies through you specifically.
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But could you maybe speak to like, what were some of like
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the, the deeper values that they carried with them as they were
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leading the church sermon or as they were, you know, carrying
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out business dealings with, you know, construction workers or
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the the salon? Because I know that kindness was
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something that emerged that you articulated.
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Is that the same word that they articulated?
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Or was there a way with which they conveyed that as a less
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life lesson for you and the family that really struck you?
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I don't know if there's a specific memory that that comes
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up from that, but I'm just curious because, you know,
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clearly they were very influential in, in, in you early
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on and, and still to this day, right?
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Even even with your mom passing away at a very young age, she
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still lives in your memories and, and it's close to your
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heart. So yeah, we'd love to hear a
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little bit more about your parents, if that's OK.
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Thank you, Scott, and thank you for your interest in that that
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particular question. I want the audience to also know
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that Scott and I had a wonderful interfaith conversation that
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left me actually in tears. Scott after our podcast because
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Scott practices Buddhism and I'm a practicing Christian.
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And the beauty of of being able to have these types of
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dialogues, it is to die for. So as anyone's listening, I just
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really encourage you to, me and Scott are modeling it, and it's
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very critical that we do that. That's when I think my framework
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does in light of what you're asking.
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I feel important when you ask me that and when I ask it on my
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podcast, that's really what I'm trying to make sure people
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understand the importance of understanding.
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You came from somewhere. I didn't get that at the time
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that my parents were teaching me citizenship, community
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development, rural community development.
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I didn't get that they were teaching me life principles,
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ethics, because remember, I'm the baby.
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Not remember, but just know, I'm the baby of eight children, OK?
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We also grew up in not just poverty, but abject poverty.
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So it is the black church that bought the celebration every
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week. And so in the black church, you
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learn to be courageous because at any given moment they're
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going to call you up for a solo. You didn't practice.
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You don't know just because you're the preacher's kid.
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They said we would like for Rashina, come what?
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What are you? What, what choice do you have if
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you going home with the pastor? That's your dad.
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And what choice do you have if your mom is a musician?
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So there was certain messages of courage, resilience.
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I know these I know people take these words these days and same
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all the time. Like it's like, you know, like
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we it's like so familiar, but but that's what we were being
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taught. But I didn't know it because the
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pain of being raised in poverty or the pain of being raised with
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parents who were entrepreneurs and trying to get their business
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off the ground, but they didn't have access to the resources to
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be able to do it in a way that would draw the income.
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So basically being in the black church where you drew your
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inspiration, you drew upon community, you drew upon
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creativity, you drew upon all those things as an actual source
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of currency. So when I speak with conviction,
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it's a currency that runs through me.
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Come on, somebody. See, that's what we say in a
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black church when they get good. You want to say that, Scott?
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Come on, somebody. So come on somebody.
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Yeah, come on, somebody, but. You're probably, like pointing
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to someone in the back and you're like, telling them you're
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like, hey, you come on, somebody.
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Yeah, I see you trying to hide in the back.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, So you know, I love humor
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because it is medicine. But the truth was, the truth
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about you asking me about this is that it was the bomb.
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Like if you get a burn on you, you just need something to help
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you take the edge off. And being in the black church,
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it is a it is an historic tradition that came a lot out of
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slavery as well, you know, to make sure we had hope in the
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midst of a turbulent time crises and in the midst of injustices.
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So I chose Scott to carry that with me throughout my entire
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career. And that was very hard when
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you're trying to be a classical artist and you're in schools and
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during white schools in particular, who are not trying
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to have that black sound, that soulful sound.
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So it tried to test my my roots for at least 15 years, my roots
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were tested whether I would carry the sound with me.
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And So what I end up doing is carrying it in my speaking
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voice. So if you hear conviction, it is
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me understanding the power of the human voice.
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But that honestly came out of the black church, the black
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community where you spoke with soul as a sign that you love
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somebody. You spoke it in love as a sign
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that, oh, you're going to be fine.
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Everything's actually going to turn out good.
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And so it, it, it's the, it's the undercurrent of the hope.
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When I'm speaking about hope, that's exactly where it comes
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from. Yeah, wow.
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I've never heard it quite spoken that way.
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And and it just it, it resonates and it makes so much sense.
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You know, what you shared about, you know, you and your family
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growing up in abject poverty and having no like, you know, having
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like struggles, right, with the monetary currency, right of the
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times. But then saying, no, this was a
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whole nother kind of currency, one that was linked, you know,
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to the human spirit, to your connection to God.
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To a community that was all in the same boat, right trying to
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make ends meet that that really I've never heard it in in that
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way. And I and I want people to like,
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you know, really sit with that because you know to say that you
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know that that convictions being drawn almost like like almost
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like a ground. Well, you have to like pull it
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up from the depths of the Earth to really like refresh yourself
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because, you know, this, this world is, it's, I mean, it's,
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it's so challenging, right? Especially in these current, you
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know, current times that we're living in.
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But you know, you bringing in the historical component as well
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and being unabashed by saying like, we're, we're talking about
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legacies of slavery here. We're talking about
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dehumanization on the continental level.
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And something that you know is still, you know like baked into
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the systems and like structures that we are, we are currently
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like operating within that. Now more than ever, you need to
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pull from that ground well. Right, you do.
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Right, And you know, it's the current, the courage and
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resiliency, resiliency part of it is, is just something that I
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think being able to convey that just through a simple like,
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hello, like through your voice, I think is, is so powerful.
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Because I think I mentioned this in our podcast that that we had
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like, you know, when I was on your podcast and I was sharing
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about, you know, from Buddhism, there's this phrase that the the
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voice does the work of the Buddha that, you know, it's like
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it's it's it's about that conviction, right?
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And it's not just what you say, it's, it's how you say.
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It's the quality of your voice that I think is so important.
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Right? Gosh, yeah.
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So, yeah. So the next thing that I wanted
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to ask you about is the word legacy.
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You know, you did explain that the legacies of your parents
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that that has stayed with you. And it's about, you know, when
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you were, you know, a music teacher and really thinking
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about how am I going to keep this tradition of music alive?
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You had this one phrase that I thought was just like, so, so
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powerful. You said, like children's
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creativity should not turn into crime.
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And there was like a little bit of like that alliteration with a
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children's creativity and then crime at the end.
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But like, you know, you took it upon yourself to build a new
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legacy for your community. So legacy, you know, it's very,
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there's, there's a lot of meaning packed into that.
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And I was hoping if you can maybe like unpack some of that
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for us a little bit, because I know that there are, you know,
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it's definitely like there's like the, the DNA of, of your
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parents and how they raised you there.
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There's the DNA of your community and what you were
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grappling with at that time. But and then there was like the
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wider kind of societal stuff happening that was kind of
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prompting you, right, with natural disasters, with
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economic, you know, downfall and like the recession.
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But the word legacy, it feels to me like this beacon of light,
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right? It's it's this this sense of
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hope that you wanted to institutionalized right through
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a nonprofit. So could you speak a little bit
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on what does legacy really mean to you right now?
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You know, because that's what's spurring you on and to kind of
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further, you know, even after you everything had like burned
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to the ground and then you emerged a phoenix.
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But now, yeah, what what is what does this word legacy really
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mean to you? And yeah, I just love to hear
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that. The word that L and legacy I
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want people to know for me means landscape.
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It's the landscape. So just like you're in the yard
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and you have a landscape, or if we were at Harvard, we're on
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their landscape. Landscape in that there is a
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path that has been placed before you.
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You're walking on a landscape that no matter where we are in
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life, you didn't get there by yourself.
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And whereas I'd like to wake up and say I re invented the word
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redemption, no, I am reauthoring the word to meet the needs of
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what it is today. But that's an age-old word from
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the landscape of faith and religion.
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So when it comes to the word legacy, I can't talk about it
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without talking about the history, the landscape that was
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built for me to be able to walk. I have a godmother and who's
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also what I consider my spiritual mother or what my
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colleague calls a chosen family. And she says that your parents,
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they went through the forest and knocked down all the trees.
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So you can run through the forest, but someone knocked down
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the trees. That's what legacy is to me.
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So looking at what my parents had done, they were not able to
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do it with a lot of money. They were not able to do it with
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a lot of support. They were not like I'm talking
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about support in terms of what we talked about today, like the
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opportunities I have today, my parents didn't have those
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opportunities to have a business plan or to have a strategic plan
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or for anybody to even have a degree.
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OK Yeah. My parents were educated in
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their own way. My dad did go to college.
25:29
Mom did too. But I'm talking about to to
25:31
opportunities we have, Scott and you and I have talked on our
25:34
podcast together how our parents didn't have certain
25:37
opportunities that we have. So legacy is the landscape by
25:40
which we have now been giving. So the question is, what are you
25:43
going to do with it when it's your turn?
25:46
So when it came my turn, I wanted to make sure I built a
25:50
nonprofit organization in a small, rude community, just like
25:55
the one my mom and dad had the black church in, had the beauty
25:59
salons in, had a construction company in.
26:02
So when my organization crumbled, that's what I felt
26:05
crumbled. A legacy, you see, so then it
26:10
goes to now. What happens now when you get
26:12
beyond that? A legacy is not in a building.
26:15
It's actually inside of you and it's actually embedded into the
26:18
work. So the legacy that I really have
26:20
left was making sure I extended the opportunity that was given
26:25
to me and advanced it to where the property we were property
26:30
owners, mom and dad rented, or they did church out of the house
26:33
or they did hair out of the house, you see.
26:36
So not only that. So when I built legacy, we, we
26:39
not just had that property, we expanded it to 12 locations.
26:43
So when disaster struck, you see, it's not just one thing
26:46
that happened. A legacy means that something is
26:50
not just a word that I want to make sure our audience
26:52
understand. It's not just a word.
26:55
It's a landscape that that either was bombed or something
26:59
has happened and you and and it's touched that legacy or what
27:04
we can do in our own power and our own control.
27:06
The things that we actually can control, right is build upon it
27:11
as we can with what we actually have, which is what your parents
27:15
did when you were talking about your mom and dad, which is what
27:17
my parents did with what they had.
27:20
They actually begin to build the build a legacy.
27:24
And then we're not building it just in vain.
27:27
We're building it to lead back here.
27:29
So Scott, that's what made me sad.
27:30
I felt like when the building, when the, when hurricane damaged
27:34
and when I went down with a stroke for seven years, I just,
27:36
I disappointed somebody. I, I felt like, oh, well, who's
27:40
going to, well, what happened to it?
27:43
And so the renewal is that it's inside of me.
27:45
And that's the part I was ignoring about my legacy.
27:49
I did it for this person behind me, which is my parents.
27:52
I did it for the people that's in front of me, the students,
27:55
the teachers, the But now this leg of the race is Rasheen.
27:59
You have a personal legacy, and that's what brings me here to
28:02
you today. Beautiful.
28:05
Wow. Now that last piece, it was
28:06
amazing. And it was like creating this
28:08
image, but the imagery that you've already established for
28:10
us with the the landscape, right?
28:14
Like, you know, physical ground, the pathway emerging before us,
28:18
you know, recognizing the efforts from previous
28:20
generations, like our parents that like did the work for us,
28:24
all of that. I think it's just so, so
28:26
valuable. People like need to understand
28:28
that's what we're walking into. That's history, right?
28:31
That's like here right before us.
28:34
But at the very end, you know, it sounded like you were
28:36
describing almost like a like a track race.
28:39
You know, there's a baton that's being passed from one person to
28:43
the next to the next. And there's something about the
28:46
way in which the handoff happens.
28:48
You could drop it, you know, and they could, you know, you could
28:51
stumble, but you better pick it up and just keep running, you
28:54
know, and giving your best effort.
28:56
So I think that, you know, from from one generation to the next
28:59
to the next, we need to carry that forward.
29:04
But you know what you said about like not letting you know all
29:07
these different people down and then kind of bringing it home to
29:11
yourself. Sometimes that's the biggest
29:14
challenge, right? It's it's not really about what
29:17
externally people are trying to say and sway us and this or that
29:20
way. I think the real that the major
29:23
battle is internally of how we are kind of bringing like kind
29:27
of reconciling and pulling all of these different identities
29:30
together to really get to this like crystallization.
29:34
And I think this is where you're at right now or she of like this
29:37
is who I am. This is this is what's driving
29:39
me forward. And, and then if I can offer
29:42
like one more kind of like maybe like thought provoking kind of
29:46
phrase that I think really bodes well with everything that you've
29:50
shared. Because it, I think, you know,
29:52
when you say legacy and the way you just, you've described it,
29:56
you know, it's definitely like of what's come from the past and
30:00
then how you're building upon it now.
30:02
That's the pathway, right? That's The Walking through the
30:04
cleared trees and seeing what emerges.
30:08
But I think what, what I'm thinking about is like a, it's
30:12
like a record of, of achievements on your end of like
30:16
this is something that you are, that you're, you're adding to
30:19
it. You are like, you know, maybe
30:22
it's like a a stone and you're like chiseling it in for, you
30:26
know, everyone for, you know, like, who knows, thousands of
30:28
years later for them to know, hey, this was regime's
30:32
contribution. So recognizing that like, yeah,
30:35
you know, like you can be clearing trees in a forest.
30:37
But like actually what you're doing on a deeper level is
30:40
you're engraving, you know, like, you know, that's like the
30:43
blood, sweat and tears of your efforts.
30:45
You're engraving that for like posterity and saying, this is
30:48
this is me. And then these are all the
30:51
people that are coming with me, you know, so I thought that
30:54
might be something of interest. The baton race and then a record
30:58
of achievement. This is this is you leaving your
31:00
legacy. This is beautiful, Scott, and I
31:05
love the way your podcast is feeding me.
31:10
Actually, my podcast is the table of redemption, but your
31:15
meal is a meal that is is kind of like for me, just coffee or
31:23
soup, and it's not meant to be bulky and in in gulped down like
31:29
it's meant to be for me. My my session with you is is is
31:34
called food for thought. You just helped me turn the
31:37
corner in my mind when you said the relay, which I love track
31:44
and field. You didn't know that.
31:48
I was just watching that relay yesterday, actually.
31:53
OK. But then when you talked about
31:55
the engraving, I've never once looked at it or did that.
31:59
But that's exactly what I never looked at it as.
32:03
That's what I did. But that is actually what my
32:06
work does. It anchors.
32:08
It literally settles. And the biggest part that you
32:12
said was the biggest, the biggest part you said was the
32:16
hardest part is doing it for yourself.
32:20
So then what you just did for me is help me lift the weight off
32:24
of what I did or did not do. And now what my podcast does is
32:29
reauthor to say I engraved in the stump of that forest that
32:37
was cut down by my previous generation and the trees I
32:40
turned around and cut down for other people so they can run.
32:43
Now I'm left with looking at a legacy where through my blood,
32:47
sweat and tears and the combination of what others have
32:49
done is my my own stamp that I left in the earth.
32:56
You may never know how much that advanced me internally and gave
33:03
a lot of credence to what I've always felt I've done, but never
33:07
was able to like label it in that way.
33:09
So I want to thank you for offering that.
33:11
That was very powerful for me to hear that from you.
33:17
No, thank. Thank you, Rasheen.
33:18
You know, this, this, this space, I mean, it's, it's, it's
33:21
for you, right? This is for you to reflect upon.
33:24
And, and I feel like my role is really to just like be like a
33:28
cheerleader and being like, yes, I know you know, you're awesome.
33:32
I know you've done the work, but I just want to like add, add to
33:36
that and like, yeah, turning a corner, providing new, maybe
33:40
even like vocabulary or new imagery.
33:43
I think that's really amazing because you're doing the same
33:45
thing for me as well with, you know, you talking about how it's
33:49
about like you're saying like some of these like words, it's
33:52
like reauthorizing those words, right within a new context,
33:56
within the New Times that we're living in with new people,
33:59
right? Grappling with that.
34:01
And I love that you also said like, you know, it's about like
34:03
re, not about like reauthorizing the word, but reauthoring right,
34:09
your own narrative. And there's something about like
34:12
that re like to kind of like do it again, like reauthor.
34:15
I was actually thinking of like redetermine is another way to
34:18
kind of put it because again, in the work that you're, that
34:21
you've done and that you're still doing right to make
34:24
societal change to really, you know, spark new growth within
34:28
individuals who have been beaten down and are hurting or are in
34:32
pain, they will inevitably find moments where they want to give
34:37
up. And I'm actually, this actually
34:38
hits home for me because I'm like, I'm like in a difficult
34:41
job myself where I, I think to myself, I kind of want to give
34:44
up, But you know, I feel like that would be easier.
34:46
Would it be easier or would that actually be a disservice to your
34:49
own sense of like self worth and also how what you're missing out
34:54
in terms of the opportunities to, to grow from that?
34:57
So for me, I mean, within reason, redetermining that like,
35:01
no, I want to continue along my path, right?
35:04
It's it's not again, like, if it's, if it's completely toxic
35:07
and it's really if there's injustice happening, then yeah,
35:09
definitely making the decision to leave is actually the most
35:13
courageous thing. But I'm talking about when
35:15
you're feeling just tired and you're just like heavy and
35:18
you're like, OK, you know, like maybe there's clouds swirling
35:21
around you. But I feel like we need these
35:22
kinds of words to help us cut through a lot of that fog, that
35:28
uncertainty, because what's ultimately going to lead us like
35:33
through the clearing of the forest is US walking.
35:36
We just got to keep walking, got to just keep putting 1 foot in
35:39
front of the other, right? And hopefully there's some
35:41
other, you know, wonderful people joining you for that
35:44
walk. But other times they get, you
35:46
know, lost in their own directions.
35:48
And again, it's, it's ultimately your own feet that's going to
35:51
carry you through to to the end, right, wherever that is.
35:55
Yeah, yeah, 'cause you know, my grandmother and I'm used to say,
35:59
and also my sister-in-law would say, her grandparents would say
36:03
every tub has to sit on its own bottom, every tub.
36:07
And so our own fee, as you said, will take us through that.
36:12
And you know, that's what I master in life is the
36:15
reauthoring through a, a bona fide research method that I use
36:19
called narrative inquiry in the psycho, in the psychotherapy
36:24
world, it's called narrative therapy.
36:26
So my podcast is me sitting there warmly, patiently through
36:31
hard stuff, being one with my guest and not rushing the moment
36:37
so that they can actually get there.
36:38
And then my job is to reauthor. So like one person said that
36:42
they thought it was a, a tragedy that something had to happen to
36:46
them. And after we got done, I said,
36:49
Are you sure it was a tragedy? Or was it a trajectory that
36:51
actually catapulted you into what you're doing now?
36:55
And the first time, they never saw it that way once.
36:58
Not one time did they see it that way.
37:00
One of the things that you spoke about on our podcast was the 12
37:05
day journey and making sure you make that entire.
37:08
I have preached that, Scott, let me tell you something on your
37:11
when you listen to the podcast, you're going to hear me talk
37:14
about you and how you basically offered that and how that is a
37:21
form of redemption for my framework that you, when you get
37:27
there, you want to be able to tell people about the 12th day
37:29
for yourself. That's what you were trying to
37:32
say. So in the reoffering, it is to
37:35
say that, well, in reality, I'm at the 11th day, but I don't
37:42
have any more energy or money and I don't have patience.
37:45
I don't have it. And that's the leadership part
37:48
of us being able to be vulnerable enough in our
37:51
situations to communicate that in love, in integrity, right?
37:56
In spirituality within your purpose, but I said to you and
38:01
them, we need to be building bridges and silo building
38:05
bridges to our silos in case I can't make it to the 12th day, I
38:08
can knock on Scott's global, be a global citizen and say Scott,
38:12
I need $2.00 to get to the 12th day, you know and.
38:17
Then and I'll, I'll, I'll give you a 20.
38:19
I'll say go machine, go do it. Because I want because
38:24
Redemption says I want to see the 12th day.
38:27
Redemption says I actually want to see the 12th day since Scott
38:32
said Scott said that 12th day going to be so beautiful.
38:35
He he been there. But Scott basic respecting and
38:37
honor people for what they've done.
38:38
Scott has been there. Scott knows what's on a 12th
38:41
day. I'm not going to try to rob
38:44
nobody to get to the 12th day. We need to be that kind of
38:47
redemptive leader that says, I'm going to swallow my pride if my
38:52
colleague has OK, sunscreen. My back is burned.
38:57
I've been here 11 days. I can I borrow your sunscreen so
39:01
I can see the 12 day. And what a redemption says is
39:06
that's what we need to be doing in our day and our time now.
39:10
And it the root of it to me goes back to your podcast.
39:13
What kind of citizen are you that when you do ask, people
39:17
will say, yes, like you said, you'd give me 20.
39:20
Well, I'm like, well, thank you because, you know, the first
39:22
thing in my mind is thank you because I actually heard two
39:25
other people say they needed $2.00 to get to the 12th day.
39:28
So in my mind, my plan is thank you, Scott for sponsoring my
39:31
12th day experience. And I'm actually going to go
39:34
back and leave a legacy and help two more people get to the 12th
39:38
day. So I've been preaching your 12
39:41
days to honey. I've been preaching that thing.
39:43
I need I so I need to give you the proper reference, then I'll
39:46
be sending that to you shortly. Because you know, again that
39:48
that is like deep Buddhist wisdom is not, there's not
39:51
coming from me, but it's coming from a 13th century Japanese
39:55
monk named Nitran Daishonen and who's the founder of the, the,
39:59
the form of like Buddhism that I practice.
40:01
But you know what? I'm so happy that it resonated
40:03
with you and you know, and I think a lot of.
40:07
You know that that process, right, whether it's 12 days,
40:10
right, in the case of that, that example, or it's the span of
40:14
time that, you know, you were trying to get an organization
40:17
off the ground. Or maybe it was a, you know, a
40:20
performance review that you have a certain amount of time that
40:23
you're trying to kind of like turn things around or whatever
40:26
it might be that you're grappling with as a leader.
40:29
You don't realize that you're undergoing A profound
40:33
transformation. You're experiencing a range of
40:36
emotions. Sometimes, you know, oftentimes
40:39
it's they're not pleasant, right?
40:41
And that's what's testing us. And that's where I think in the
40:43
realm of faith, we are forging our a better version of
40:48
ourselves. But we're also, you know, in
40:52
some ways inching ourselves closer to that, that, that, you
40:56
know, conviction that like we are worthy, that we are capable
41:01
and that whatever whomever is talking bad and saying it's not
41:04
working out or it'll, it'll be impossible.
41:08
Again, it's not about them. It's about you, right?
41:10
It's about you forging ahead and like cutting down that next tree
41:14
and saying like this is this is what I must do.
41:17
This is what I've been called upon to do.
41:20
But easier said than done. Again, I, you know, I think
41:23
we've all been there. And some of us right now are
41:26
currently in the thick of it and, and we need help, you know,
41:29
we need to be reminded, we need to prove it to ourselves so that
41:33
we can then encourage another person.
41:35
I, I love what you said about the, the $2.00, paying it
41:37
forward, giving it to, you know, to other people.
41:41
Again, I think leaders need to always keep in mind that it's,
41:44
it's never just about themselves.
41:46
It's about what they can do for others.
41:48
And that is often missed, I think, in the kind of talk about
41:52
leadership in the world that we live in right now.
41:55
You know, people are just looking out for themselves.
41:58
Sense of community, right, has been warped.
42:02
I think, you know, about, like, what what does community really
42:05
serve? Like, what purposes are they to
42:07
serve? And instead of having one person
42:10
take 100 steps forward, it's really about 100 people taking
42:14
one step forward, right, to make that change.
42:17
Yeah. So you know, you, you, you kind
42:20
of already started speaking about the, the global
42:22
citizenship component of it. And, you know, it definitely
42:25
sounds like, you know, you're pulling together so many
42:28
different experiences, right, Formative experiences that have
42:32
led you to a deeper understanding of yourself that
42:36
have brought together communities that are of
42:40
tremendous value, right, to to who you've become and are still
42:43
becoming. And and so, you know, I'm, I
42:48
know that you, you kind of emphasized the citizenship
42:50
piece, a lot of it, right, in terms of like the deeper values
42:53
of like kind of being kind, you know, being compassionate,
42:58
courageous. There's resilience there in, in
43:02
your thoughts. Like what about like the, the
43:04
global component of that? Like could you maybe like unpack
43:07
that a little bit more? Yeah, I'd be curious to hear,
43:10
like, what does that mean within your context, within the work
43:13
that you're doing? Why is that something that we
43:16
should be? Because like, you know, we, we
43:18
look at the news and there's enough for us to just think, oh
43:20
man, you know, the US like we got enough problems here.
43:24
But then there's also a lot of other things going on all around
43:27
the world. Is it just about bandwidth or is
43:30
that what we're talking about? How how do we make make these
43:33
important linkages between what's happening here and now in
43:37
this geographic place and then what's happening far off
43:40
thousands of miles away, the completely different group of
43:43
people that we've never actually met before?
43:45
Like how do you reconcile between that and then maybe how
43:49
does. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine
43:51
there's probably a spiritual kind of component that brings
43:54
together a lot of that. But but love to hear like, yeah,
43:57
what are your thoughts about the global side of global
44:00
citizenship? Thank you for asking me that the
44:04
the the the global side is that for me.
44:09
If you have not well in the Christian faith, the scripture
44:13
says charity begins at home. Charity means love, that if you
44:20
yourself are not having the charitable heart for your home,
44:26
for your life and regard for your own human life, it is very
44:29
difficult to expand that on a global context.
44:33
So much of what I talk about is rooted in a self that then is
44:40
able to now be expanded and strong enough to take it
44:43
globally. When I think of global, I think
44:46
of strength, I think of levels of expansion that goes along
44:50
with the message that you have that has been fortified.
44:54
And you said the other word before, forged in a particular
44:59
dirge or grit or a particular suffering or what I call
45:04
Crucible moments. That makes it strong enough to
45:08
spread it globally. Because when you spread it
45:11
globally, you're going to have people what I call different
45:15
from me. And that's where you're going to
45:17
be challenged. Going global means you're
45:19
willing to be different. You're willing to expand in a
45:24
different. You have to be willing.
45:26
There's no way you could be a global citizen and you only want
45:29
to do things the way you do it in Florida or the only way your
45:32
grandma and them did it when you was growing up.
45:34
And you only can do it the way we did it when we was 10 years
45:37
old or 100 years old. No, global means you are willing
45:41
to die to your own particular way of doing, seeing, being in
45:45
order to reach someone else who may need what you have.
45:49
But it's in a different way. The biggest, biggest example I
45:53
have is my level of research and my level of ingredient.
45:58
I've worked so hard at the sound, the look, the way I've
46:01
designed the curriculum. I've been working at what I do
46:04
for 20 years. So but if I took it globally, I
46:08
need to worry about the palate of those who may be in need of
46:13
what I have, but they have not. They need to know how to digest
46:16
it. So going globally means that
46:18
you're willing to do those things.
46:20
You're willing to meet people where they are for who they are.
46:24
Going global means that I actually care.
46:28
I don't watch CNN and just and just say, well, I wonder why,
46:31
you know, they only why why we talking about that?
46:33
We in the United States, they should put that money here.
46:35
Not when I see someone else in war.
46:39
I can't, I can't. And so so globally means that I
46:43
took the thing that I had been working on or the person I am
46:49
and I'm actually going to loan it out, parcel it out to someone
46:54
else can take it and do what they want to do to meet their
46:58
needs. And I'm not going to get an
46:59
attitude about it. I'm I'm not going to lose sleep
47:02
about it and I'm not going to lose my my soul over it.
47:05
So therefore, to be to be that citizen first, you have got to
47:11
be rooted in who you are, your identity, so that you can be
47:15
strong enough because you have to be strong enough for
47:18
expansion. If you can imagine you already
47:21
had a tough work week and I'm coming in here asking you for 10
47:25
things on today, you're not strong enough to give me 10
47:28
things today. So, so you get what I'm saying.
47:30
So global is expansion, It is regions, it's different
47:34
languages, it's different food, it's different cultures, it's
47:37
different currency, it's different.
47:40
So if you're not willing to be different, then you may want to
47:44
ask yourself, you know, have you done your roots work, your first
47:48
work? Because the core of this, my
47:51
final thing at the core of global citizenship is human
47:55
first leadership. You're going to go and go and do
47:59
what's best for humankind, Not just mankind or womankind is
48:06
humankind, and your job is to go and make a difference and make
48:12
sure you leave people intact when you do it.
48:17
Wow. Thank you so much for seeing.
48:19
I can't even follow that up. You said everything, you said
48:22
everything. So I'm just going to leave it.
48:24
That was the mic drop moment in and of itself.
48:26
So I appreciate you speaking about both the the citizenship
48:29
piece and the global piece. They are just interconnected in
48:33
a way that you know, you can't separate and especially it's
48:37
beyond just yourself, right? It's like valuing, anchoring,
48:40
rooting yourself. There's this expansion that
48:43
comes, but also this I think, you know, this, this feeling of
48:47
like greater goodwill and affinity for just all of
48:50
humanity, right? It's, there's so many
48:52
differences that abound, but we, we need to lean into that to
48:57
truly understand like what at its essence, like empathy really
49:01
means. What does it really mean to love
49:03
thy neighbor? Right.
49:05
So and then, and for us in Buddhism, it's like, what does
49:08
it truly mean to see another person as a, as a Buddha, to
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recognize ourselves as a Buddha with that inherent capacity that
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we are, we all are born with. But to, we say, like to greet
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from afar someone with the same respect and reverence that you
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would the original Buddha, right?
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Someone from a distance on a hilltop.
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And you're just like, I don't even know who that is, but
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they're a Buddha. So there's this incredible
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equality that comes from just really valuing all of humanity.
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But it starts with yourself, like you said.
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So, you know, wow, this is just, there's been a lot of food for
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thought, that's for sure. And actually in our in, in when
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I was on your podcast, we, we spoke for like 2 hours easy.
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It was joyful through and through.
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And you know, the same I, I, I can say is the same for what we
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just had in these past 50 minutes that we've been
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together. But you know, we are coming to
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the end, unfortunately. I mean, there's no real end,
50:04
right? The work will continue long
50:05
after this is recorded. But, but you know, this has been
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amazing to just hold the space with, with you or Shane and to,
50:12
to learn about your, your passion, right, And the legacy
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that you've built, that you are continuing to build.
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And then the this vision right for like what is to come.
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So I wanted to now ask last question, book, movie
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recommendation, anything you'd like to to share with the
50:29
listeners? Yes, my favorite book I want to
50:33
share is Necessary Endings and I want to say the author is Henry
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Cloud. I cannot remember his actual
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last name right now, but I know the name of the book because
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it's the only one like it. Necessary Endings.
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It talks about how to end things well and how to make sure you're
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pros, you're positioning yourself for the next season and
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you're not having any layover or holdover or regrets.
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Basically, the book talks about how to make sure you live
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without regrets. I love that that's that's so
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important, right, Because ultimately from what I'm
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getting, like how to end things well, basically means you got to
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be victorious. Yes, you know, whatever that
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means, right? It does not necessarily mean
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you're just like knocking it out of the park and everyone is just
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like loving that. But like, you know, what is it
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that you're challenging and grappling with and what is
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prompting you to like now kind of move into that next chapter?
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So, and then I also think I don't know where this came from.
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It might have been Doctor Scott, but I think I think it was
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Doctor Scott. A lot of the wise things that
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come from, you know, my my time that at, at at Hugsie at
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Harvard, I think, and then it from from him.
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Shout out to Doctor Scott as you're listening.
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But you know, he, he did talk about like a good leader knows
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when to leave, right, Right. And so you got to you got to
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have that wisdom, you got to have that discernment and you
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got to have that courage. And I think that is a great book
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recommendation. His name is actually Doctor
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Henry Cloud. So I got that right.
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Doctor Henry Cloud. It's a book that I read while I
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was recovering through disaster and could not actually let go.
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Because your mind is telling you, because your mind is only
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halfway through the battle. You know what happened to you.
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You know what? You know what was before you
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walked into this new relationship, this new job, this
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new incident or this accident. You know all of that but you.
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But in order to get before to the next level, it's necessary
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that you end that kind of talk. The book doesn't say what I'm
52:53
saying exactly. I am summarizing what I got from
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the book to help me heal. But it is a book I recommend
52:59
everywhere I go. Doctor Henry Cloud, necessary
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endings and the reason why there are many people who are not
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making progress because they don't view, they don't know how
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to end it. Well, they don't.
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They want to go on for that one last ditch effort.
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Just one, just just one more time.
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I think I can fix it. I think I can.
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If if you, if you tell, if you just give me one more chance, I
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can love you better. I can do all this.
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The answer is no. The answer is bye.
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And, and oftentimes, and this is something that I've I've heard
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as well from, from, you know, people wiser than me, but they
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say the way you end something is the way you start some, the next
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thing. I heard it too.
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I heard it too, yes. There's some deep wisdom right
53:43
there, I heard. It too.
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So you got to, you know, you know, whatever, whatever is like
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your best effort as you're crossing that finish line, just
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make sure you cross that finish line with no regrets, like you
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said, because that's, that's going to then set up the whole
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next cycle. And and, you know, you can even
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apply that I I would say, and from a Buddhist perspective to
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like even life and death, right? How you end says everything
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about how you were going to start the next kind of journey.
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But that's a whole another whole another conversation about, you
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know, that yeah, mortality and how we approach that.
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But to. Me, it's the same conversation.
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How are we going to end up handout time?
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It's redemption. How are we going to find
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redemption? Right.
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How are we going to find that? And it is up to us to scale it.
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And that's the power of the framework that I've built.
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It puts leaders back into the driver's seat #1 #2 is unmuting
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the suffering that we had to go through in silence to try to be
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the people we are. And just #3 you have got what it
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takes. You've got it, you've got what
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it takes. Let's get to work.
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Wow, unmuting the suffering. Oh man, that's it's powerful
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because yeah, there's a lot of that.
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And so we we don't need to be kind of isolated and just in our
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own kind of like desolation. It's, you know, the world is
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dramatic enough. We don't need any more.
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But but yeah, this has been so wonderful.
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Rasheen, I really appreciate you taking the time, holding the
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space, being vulnerable, sharing your your decades of wisdom.
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And, you know, we can even extend it further to like past
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generations from what you shared about your parents and the
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influences of the black church. And, you know, it's just been
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really, yeah, it's been that soup that we're just like
55:29
thoroughly enjoying. And that's going to give us that
55:34
like kind of like reassurance and sustenance and energy to, to
55:38
tackle the next thing before us, right?
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Because that's ultimately what it's about.
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And we're, I think it was a quote from Nelson Mandela, but
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he said that you, you make the path by walking it.
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So you just got to keep walking it, right?
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That's a big take away for me at least.
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And I, I wanted to make sure that you had the last word.
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So if you had any final, final thoughts or send off as we kind
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of wrap up this wonderful conversation.
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At the end of my podcast, I always ask for encouraging words
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for me. So I want to give you 1 and it
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is Scott. Scott, your podcast is hot.
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You keep going. You're doing such a beautiful
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job. I can feel your sacrifice and
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thank you for holding this space with me today.
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I know you thank me, but I thank you for doing a wonderful job.
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I remember listening to your podcast for the first time as a
56:33
new student and Hugsy and it was in our WhatsApp chat and I'm
56:38
like, who is this person? And people who know me, I, I do
56:43
TB detox for a while. I do social media detox.
56:47
I don't put all that stuff in my mind, but I just got onto the
56:50
WhatsApp WhatsApp chat to try to figure out how to come out of
56:54
this disaster into the world. And your podcast was one of the
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first ones I listened to. And this is This is why I chose
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it as the first podcast in the history of my life that I will
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be upon. You make a really big difference
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and I'm very proud of you.